Question for you, Alex. With the cabs lined up side by side like they are in this video, does that interfere with the AVG's function at all? In other words, does the cab need a little space to "breathe"? Or do they function as they're designed to even when closed off on either side?
To be honest I’ve been amazed how tolerant the AVD effect is of all manner of different acoustic situations! One hypothesis I have for this is that our hearing is logarithmic, so even if we lose 50% of the AVD output at our listening position (due to less than ideal acoustics), that only sounds like a small 3dB decrease in loudness from the AVD, so it still has significant output to fill tonal gaps due to dispersion issues from the forward output of the cone. Does that make sense?
@@BarefacedAudio Sounds reasonable. One observation about the video is that the conditions for all the cabs are pretty much the same, so even though it may not be optimum, and even though RUclips squishes the signal a bit, it's a valid sound comparison on this end. Next question, related to the first -- how much, if any, space does the AVG need between the cab and the wall behind it to function properly? Is there a minimum?
Great video, I'm trying to decide which 10 to replace the 10-inch speaker in my Mesa Express amp with. How does the G10 Vint compare to a Mesa C90 or Vintage 30?
Have we not done a G10 Vintage vs V30 video? Have a look through our past videos but if not then we must make one! In short the 10” is tighter and “drier” and less rich but more detailed, if that makes sense?
The 10" cabs don't need a different AVD for alnico drivers because the magnets aren't as deep. AVD works equally well for dispersion with all the drivers.
All guitar speakers are directional and how directional they are depends on their diameter (smaller disperses better), the array size (a 1x12” disperses much better than a 4x12”) and then the complex behaviour of cone flexibility and mass and damping vs dust cap and voice coil mass and damping. If all else is equal then a single 10” disperses better than a single 12”. An open back cab has rear radiation which can reflect to you, which can help a lot vs a closed back cab only having forwards radiation. Our AVD cab design takes that rear radiation and improves output and dispersion through the mids and highs whilst also making the lows add rather than subtract from the forward radiation’s lows (by flipping the phase so they don’t cancel but reinforce).
We're using the Egnater Tweaker (an absolute bargain for a small valve amp head! Discontinued now though, sadly) and we use our own handmade switching device.
And it’s totally possible for a 10” to have more volume displacement than a 12” - the Xmax needs to be about 50% greater, and in the world of guitar drivers alone there’s a variance of hundreds of percent in Xmax.
I love watching your comparison videos, they are extremely helpful. It would help just a tad if the cabs were labelled, or when you point to them and say "this one" or "that one" you say the actual speaker name. it gets a little hairy keeping track when there are several lined up in a comparison.
The speaker name is on the plywood board that Alex is holding up as he switches to the speaker in question. We've made the names clearer in our latest videos, but not really sure what you're asking that we're not already doing!
@@BarefacedAudio During the demo the flip-board is helpful. All I am pointing out is during the conversation portion in between the playing, I get a little crossed up when the names of the speakers aren't used and instead they are referred to as "this one" or "that one"; and I get lost in the comparison of which speaker is being described. Im not sharpest spoon in the cupboard, so I apologize if I'm getting your blood pressure up over your efforts. I'll shut my face-flap and go back to my coloring books and nose picking, cheers 😉🍻
@@drepenaproject you’re quite right, the problem is I didn’t realise this at the time. It’s happening less on the videos we’ve shot since but still not perfect, yet…
Love you guys but...when you say "cut thrrough" I count that for full band mixes. Not so much solo guitar because what are you "cutting through"? They all sound great, though!
Right! But this video didn't show the amps being used in a mix with a band...Here, there was no band, no mix. That's what I found odd...@@BarefacedAudio
@@joesatchton212 we’re chatting about the tone based on Lewie’s experience of playing guitar in bands and my experience of playing bass in bands (and being a band leader), and how we equate solo guitar tone with its ability to fit in a live or studio mix. So some of these speakers are better suited to filling a power trio whilst some are better at slotting in a busy mix, etc. I’d be surprised if our predictions of how a tone will work in context were wrong, as I think we’ve got a decent amount of experience and expertise when it comes to the sonic side of making music.
Guys, I have no doubt of what you're saying! I just found it quite curious that you made this video WITHOUT the context of a full band mix, especially using terms like "cut through". I find that to be a strange decision here, that's all. Like I said, I have no doubt - but I feel I must ask why didn't you simply film and show how awesome those mighty mites are in actual live full mixes, full band action? That's kind of like a video advertising a car's 0-60 speed yet not showing any 0-60 speed runs, right? Cheers!@@BarefacedAudio
@@joesatchton212 it would be nice to set up a full band and make a video like that - but it’s hard enough finding the time to make videos in the current style, as I’m busy running Barefaced (doing all the things the boss and chief engineer of a small company has to do, whilst also answering all the enquiries) and Lewie’s busy managing production in our factory. We find making videos in this style teaches us plenty about the sounds of different drivers and people watching seem to appreciate our efforts. Sadly I can’t see it being worth spending what would be about ten times as many man hours per video to make something that may be marginally better, so this is the pragmatic solution.
@@BarefacedAudio Might be a language thing since english isn't my first language, but doesn't "cutting through" mean that it's overly present, loud and treble-y/shrieky? at least in german we use it that way :D
@@AustrianReaperit’s a language thing then - it’s having enough going on in the right places (and with the right character) in the mids and highs to be reliably audible through a denser mix. Too much of that and/or with the wrong character could be harsh or unpleasant sounding - but that’s not what we’re talking about here and if it was like that then we’d say that.
G10 Vintage sounded really similar to the G10 Gold. I was not expecting that. My 2 favourites. Guitar playing sounded tasty too.
G10 Gold in my Upsetter FTW. Thanks gentlemen.
Really appreciate this! Helps greatly with perspective on drivers. Great cabs!!
Such a fantastic cab, you’ve really cracked it there
MAN, some really great playing today by Lewie!
Honestly though they all sounded great.
Really great show, gents!
I built a rotary cab and loaded it with a g10 vintage, it gave it a big powerful sound for some nice organ-like sounds
Question for you, Alex. With the cabs lined up side by side like they are in this video, does that interfere with the AVG's function at all? In other words, does the cab need a little space to "breathe"? Or do they function as they're designed to even when closed off on either side?
To be honest I’ve been amazed how tolerant the AVD effect is of all manner of different acoustic situations! One hypothesis I have for this is that our hearing is logarithmic, so even if we lose 50% of the AVD output at our listening position (due to less than ideal acoustics), that only sounds like a small 3dB decrease in loudness from the AVD, so it still has significant output to fill tonal gaps due to dispersion issues from the forward output of the cone. Does that make sense?
@@BarefacedAudio Sounds reasonable. One observation about the video is that the conditions for all the cabs are pretty much the same, so even though it may not be optimum, and even though RUclips squishes the signal a bit, it's a valid sound comparison on this end.
Next question, related to the first -- how much, if any, space does the AVG need between the cab and the wall behind it to function properly? Is there a minimum?
@ AVD not AVG! 😉 Just a few inches clearance is enough.
Great video, I'm trying to decide which 10 to replace the 10-inch speaker in my Mesa Express amp with. How does the G10 Vint compare to a Mesa C90 or Vintage 30?
Have we not done a G10 Vintage vs V30 video? Have a look through our past videos but if not then we must make one! In short the 10” is tighter and “drier” and less rich but more detailed, if that makes sense?
Do these 10 inch cabs have the new universal AVD baffle? Do the Gold and the Vintage share the same dispersion baffle?
The 10" cabs don't need a different AVD for alnico drivers because the magnets aren't as deep. AVD works equally well for dispersion with all the drivers.
Did you ever tested a wgs veteran 10 in an upsetter cab? How might it sound?
@@josoma we haven’t tested any WGS speakers, although we have customers using them.
Does that open book back stop the laser like beaming that comes from 1os?
All guitar speakers are directional and how directional they are depends on their diameter (smaller disperses better), the array size (a 1x12” disperses much better than a 4x12”) and then the complex behaviour of cone flexibility and mass and damping vs dust cap and voice coil mass and damping. If all else is equal then a single 10” disperses better than a single 12”.
An open back cab has rear radiation which can reflect to you, which can help a lot vs a closed back cab only having forwards radiation. Our AVD cab design takes that rear radiation and improves output and dispersion through the mids and highs whilst also making the lows add rather than subtract from the forward radiation’s lows (by flipping the phase so they don’t cancel but reinforce).
Can you tell us what amp and what speaker switching device is being used?
We're using the Egnater Tweaker (an absolute bargain for a small valve amp head! Discontinued now though, sadly) and we use our own handmade switching device.
So 10" will better produce lows than 12" in the same box?
If all the other parameters are very similar, and up until the 10” runs out of volume displacement, then yes.
And it’s totally possible for a 10” to have more volume displacement than a 12” - the Xmax needs to be about 50% greater, and in the world of guitar drivers alone there’s a variance of hundreds of percent in Xmax.
I've always preferred 10s. Not really sure why. I play jazz. And I think 10 are perfect, not too boomy.
I love watching your comparison videos, they are extremely helpful. It would help just a tad if the cabs were labelled, or when you point to them and say "this one" or "that one" you say the actual speaker name. it gets a little hairy keeping track when there are several lined up in a comparison.
The speaker name is on the plywood board that Alex is holding up as he switches to the speaker in question. We've made the names clearer in our latest videos, but not really sure what you're asking that we're not already doing!
I’m getting better at doing that, but its not easy to always remember!
@@BarefacedAudio During the demo the flip-board is helpful. All I am pointing out is during the conversation portion in between the playing, I get a little crossed up when the names of the speakers aren't used and instead they are referred to as "this one" or "that one"; and I get lost in the comparison of which speaker is being described. Im not sharpest spoon in the cupboard, so I apologize if I'm getting your blood pressure up over your efforts. I'll shut my face-flap and go back to my coloring books and nose picking, cheers 😉🍻
@@drepenaproject you’re quite right, the problem is I didn’t realise this at the time. It’s happening less on the videos we’ve shot since but still not perfect, yet…
Love you guys but...when you say "cut thrrough" I count that for full band mixes. Not so much solo guitar because what are you "cutting through"? They all sound great, though!
Absolutely, “cut through” as in, “using this in a band it will cut through the mix!”
Right! But this video didn't show the amps being used in a mix with a band...Here, there was no band, no mix. That's what I found odd...@@BarefacedAudio
@@joesatchton212 we’re chatting about the tone based on Lewie’s experience of playing guitar in bands and my experience of playing bass in bands (and being a band leader), and how we equate solo guitar tone with its ability to fit in a live or studio mix. So some of these speakers are better suited to filling a power trio whilst some are better at slotting in a busy mix, etc. I’d be surprised if our predictions of how a tone will work in context were wrong, as I think we’ve got a decent amount of experience and expertise when it comes to the sonic side of making music.
Guys, I have no doubt of what you're saying! I just found it quite curious that you made this video WITHOUT the context of a full band mix, especially using terms like "cut through". I find that to be a strange decision here, that's all.
Like I said, I have no doubt - but I feel I must ask why didn't you simply film and show how awesome those mighty mites are in actual live full mixes, full band action?
That's kind of like a video advertising a car's 0-60 speed yet not showing any 0-60 speed runs, right?
Cheers!@@BarefacedAudio
@@joesatchton212 it would be nice to set up a full band and make a video like that - but it’s hard enough finding the time to make videos in the current style, as I’m busy running Barefaced (doing all the things the boss and chief engineer of a small company has to do, whilst also answering all the enquiries) and Lewie’s busy managing production in our factory. We find making videos in this style teaches us plenty about the sounds of different drivers and people watching seem to appreciate our efforts. Sadly I can’t see it being worth spending what would be about ten times as many man hours per video to make something that may be marginally better, so this is the pragmatic solution.
Why would I want my Cab to cut through anything?
If you’d rather not be heard then you can simplify your life and just play an air guitar! 😉
@@BarefacedAudio Might be a language thing since english isn't my first language, but doesn't "cutting through" mean that it's overly present, loud and treble-y/shrieky? at least in german we use it that way :D
@@AustrianReaperit’s a language thing then - it’s having enough going on in the right places (and with the right character) in the mids and highs to be reliably audible through a denser mix. Too much of that and/or with the wrong character could be harsh or unpleasant sounding - but that’s not what we’re talking about here and if it was like that then we’d say that.