Thank you Fede. Yes, i understand. I didn't want to cause you family problems. I didnt expect you to tell it him. Im sorry. I know my comment was a bit sharp, but i wanted to provoke you to answer. So, thank you for answer, for another video with super funny part, i really love it. Great kit again. Keep going, ill keep watching. Peace
I don't think is that ridiculous as you say, look for example I have just 1 bike that is good for all and very reliable. I don't have the luxury to have enough space in my flat for 3 bikes regardless if cheap or expensive but the rule of thumb was, is and always will be: buy cheap buy twice or multiple times. As another example: there's a reason an Ultegra chain is double/triple the price than an entry level-the coating and materials makes it last 10 times longer. Some marketing is added as well but is not always the case.
@@RazvanBuescuHello! Just to clarify, the “ridiculous” aspect from the comment is that it sounds as if “modern bike on disc brakes with modern wide wheels and wide TLR tyres” are the only proper bikes, and all the other bikes are “half-functional, no braking heavy and ugly bikes”. This just seems very narrow-minded and plainly wrong. If you take Federico’s Canyon Ultimate as an example, it seems to ride and brake just fine, and is a very light bike. (Whether it is ugly or not is subjective, but I happen to like it). Whether or not it is better to have one good-for-all bike or three different bikes depends on the riders’ situation and preference. There is no universal solution. Old bike, new bike, disc or rim brake, steel/aluminium/carbon/titanium frame…whatever people ride on, I just hope they like their bike and enjoy riding it. We’re not pros trying to compete in the world tour.
@@BrainSt0rm314 hey man, I hear you with the ugly and the half functional and sounds like a snob, harsh and mean. By all means I'm not going to champion these types of comments. Although with what you said, Fede is riding carbon rims brakes which in wet the stopping power is minimal. It makes the difference between stopping behind the lorry or under it. I kissed a van and it wasn't fun. For me this is a deal breaker, never rim brakes again. I've had my fair share of riding rims and the stopping power compared to discs is beyond compare, especially if you like to ride a bit faster. That being said I agree that the insulting part wasn't necessary though I would sell all 3 and get a disc brake at least for safety reasons.
Federico, you are a great gentleman to respond kindly to Crusty, who in my view is not smart. He says it himself... "he does not get it". Everybody has a different story and a different path to cycling. With imagination and intelligence, it should be easy to understand them all.
_To each their own_ - your stable of bikes clearly works for you. Terms like "proper" or "ugly" are subjective, so I'm glad don't take such comments to heart. Ride on and thank you.
You have to ignore the Crusty’s in the world with their stupid comments and unwanted opinions and do what pleases you and your pocket. Keep doing what you are doing my friend, I always enjoy watching your videos and down to earth opinions. Great work. 🚴🏻
This is why I started to follow you and why I like when a new video from you pops up! Honest down to earth cycling content! People like this it’s authentic. Keep your experiments on the budget side, there is a lot on the journey, and of course in actually riding bikes! And I bet there is going to come a bike sponsor at some point 😬
You have to do what is right for you. Your channel is amazing and inspire people to cycle. You show people that you don't have to spend a fortune to enjoy the sport of cycling. Also, it's obvious that you're doing well financially, but you're responsible with your money. You're a winner in the game we call life.
Half functional? Remember when UAE and Ineous were the only teams in the peloton riding rim brakes and the number of wins they kept getting? Quite hilarious imo. Didn't seem to slow them down on the uphill's, the downhills or around corners. Short memories.
Well..this guy, you’re doing very well Federico! I’ve crashed my beloved SW SL6 RB 6.85 kg with deep rims. I flew over the roof of a car and I’m still alive (back injured) No time to break, not my fault. So for the time being I’ve built up a second hand SW SL7 disc frame. It weighs 7.2 , I’m not impressed by the braking, the front brake squeels like a pig and it’s a lot of hassle to install and maintain. Besides that it’s less lively. If the insurance let me repair the SL6 I’ll probably sell the SL7.
I am happy you did not have worse consequences from the crash! As you mentioned I fear I would lose that responsiveness you get from a rim brake frame with a modern disc brake bike
I'm also a Londoner and I have 2 bikes. One for the winter and a summer rim brake bike which I love. They are both used for a specific function. Not sure i would ever spend 5k on a bike, I don't see the value in it unless one is serious racer.
Hi, I have a modern disc brake steel road bike which I use in the winter with mudguards. In summer ( BST) I ride my 15 year old Colnago C50 rim brake stunner. I am all for weather specific bike use 👍
Hi, I also have a C50 with Campagnolo - best bike I have ever owned. My slowest bike as people want to stop & check it out and chat to me about it on rides
Hi Federico- I am in a similar boat- rim brake Colnagos - c64 for summer and the mountains, rim clx evo for winter and turbo sessions. The trick is to have interchangeable wheelsets - alloy for winter and the mountains, carbon for summer at home and deep carbon for flatter rides - personally I am not against disc bikes - although aesthetically they are not so pleasing on the eye- the reason I shy away from disc is that I don’t want to pay heavy mechanic fees everytime I want to work in the steering/headset with my current setup I can do literally everything myself with relatively generic tools
@@Godspeed961 I found the tpu tubes don't feel as smooth you get too much road feedback. Latex felt much better, not as light as tpu but I prefer. If you're running a good quality cotton tyre like a Vittoria or specialized then it's very fast setup.
@@MarcraM82 Thx for the info . I run vitoria corsa 25 front and gatorskin 28 rear. I was thinking about aerothan which is tpu, but i will try latex as you say. its cheaper also :D
Some people can't help but leaving unpolite comments. I appreciate your channel, I appreciate as well your experiments, I'm just envious I can't do the same experiments...
As someone who has a pretty high end Giant tcr advanced disc and a Specialized Allez Sprint disc, I only recently build up a CAAD 8. And I am blown away at how closely it performs to bikes costing 5x. (Also I am not a slow rider). We all wonder what we would have chosen in we could go back in time. But without the information we have now we would just make the same decisions again!
The way people like Crusty need to be treated is avoid at all costs. Once they start expressing their elitism simply walk or ride away and end any conversation. Once everyone has alienated this guy and others like him, they may get some understanding in their loneliness or at least start to question why nobody wants anything to do with people like him. I'm currently on the list to have a custom frame builder build me a steel old school rim brake bike with lugs, the 1 inch headtube with threaded steerer and quill stem, components with shinny silver aluminum finishes, and modern Campagnolo mechanical shifters. The predicted cost is $6k but it will be a bike that can stand the test of time like so many vintage steel bikes have done for decades. All this modern electronic stuff, and I already have Dura-Ace 11 speed Di2 by the way, is nonsense. I like the DA but I know it's not made to have a long life. I chose rim brakes for this frame because disc brakes are not any better than rim brakes, I don't care what anyone says. I'll say that again, I don't care about other people's opinions on this argument, so they should just shut up and go ride their disc brake bikes and find someone else to listen to their crap. I have more than 50 years of experience riding and I like what I like. Good video Federico and thanks for letting me say my piece.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. For commuting I wouldn't park a €15.000 bike unattended. A daily driver makes a lot of sense. For leisure and pleasure it's a case of how deep your pockets are.😂 But sticking to 105 will stretch the budget to build another bike. Or even two bikes. Splashing cash on Dura Ace Di2 would come at much higer cost of ownership as all parts are much more expensive. I'm just restarting my road biking and chose an aluminium bike with Ultegra. I'll have to train to be able to enjoy or experience the benefits of a lightweight or aerobike. Your videos are very helpful in making my own choices, thanks.
Thank you for the video. Ride whatever makes you happy and feels good. I kept a couple of bikes for a few weeks before selling cos they didn’t feel nice. On the other hand I kept a Peugeot PX 10 for 30 years, and still think it was nicer than most of today’s bikes. I sold a rock stiff 2014 Giant TCR Ultegra Di2 to get a softer ride for my back on a rim brake Tarmac SL6 (6.47kg with cages and pedals). Many ex-pros say keep it forever (no discs) and I will … easy maintenance, ride and smile. So find a 2nd hand frame you like, put some nice wheels (Rovals roll fast) and the rest is up to you! Keep smiling.
You keep doing your thing brother! Dont worry about negative comments. All your bikes are nice, and serve the purpose-to pedal! I have a nice aero bike, with mechanical Dura Ace, and rim brakes. Even though it’s aero, it climbs very well. Probably just under 17 lbs. Disc, and DI2 is very nice as well. Only heavier, uglier, and less aero. But the industry seems to be forcing people into buying them, not really give us much choice. As for tubeless, a total, waste of time, money, a big mess, and totally unnecessary. I flat once or twice a year, and with my CO2’s, change the flat in 10 minutes flat. I did recently buy a “modern” aero bike with disc/DI2 though. I would call it more convenient, that’s about it. More efficient shifting, and stopping. Nice, but again, not needed, and expensive. So I guess I have the best of both worlds. Thanks for the great videos brother!👊😎🚴🏻
There is always someone warming up their fingers to type a hurtful or demeaning comment on just about every video. I feel sorry for people who are so miserable that they try to take down everyone around them. Ride what you want, wear what you want and let the elitists and snobs think what they want. This is coming from a guy with several high end bikes but I am also in my 60's and it took a long time to acquire my current stable. Enjoy your videos and your personality!
I think you should upgrade to the newest bike, there is nothing like the stopping power of disc brakes, and having shifting with electronic wireless group set, not to mention how good it makes you feel pulling up to your group ride with the latest, you will get more miles with smiles for sure, go big!✌🏼
In my opinion, all you REALLY need is 1 bike for nice weather, 1 for bad weather. That's my setup (Giant TCR / converted Fisher Hoo Koo E Koo) and I'm happy. Key word here is happy. It's not about what you need, it's about what you want. There are no wrong answers. Just pedal with a smile inside.
Hey I have been following you quite some time and my take on this topic is sitck to what makes you feel good. I have two road bikes, rim brake and under 7 kg both. Many friends have fancy disc brake electronic groupset bikes but I still beat them everytime. Looks are important since they drive us to feel better but if you perform good enough and you like how your bikes look then keep them. Keep uploading these great videos.
Yeah the person who posted that comment definitely didn't understand the concept of paying 6000 up front at once vs 6000 bit by bit over years. He wouldn't have asked why you didn't buy all the clothes you wore for the past however many years all at once but I guess they didn't think it through all the way. Your collection of bikes obtained over the years from your first bike until now is how it should be done as opposed to beginners buying a 6000+ bike at the start. Plus now you have a sub 7kg bike, an aero bike, and a spare frame! Sounds like a respectable fleet to me
Wow, all 3 of your bikes are rim brakes.. not gonna lie, that’s good to see. I have 2 disc bikes, and 2 single speed rim brake bikes. While I like discs, rim brakes are so much simpler! IMO, if you are commuting or riding more than once per week, it’s worth it to have more than one bike so that if one goes down, you have others. Especially with carbon.
Stick so long as possible with the bike you like the most ( just look at the km summary on your strava and then you know;) ). Look for another one when it gives any kind of limitations :)
I think 3 bikes is the right number: lightweight climbing, endurance/commute/winter, & aero/flat/race bike (maybe endurance/commute gets split off from winter as funds and space (and personal living arrangements) allow)
Ride what makes you happy! I have both a rim and disc brake bike and I enjoy riding both. Do what I do when someone complains about what I have, tell them if it bothers you that much why don’t you buy me one? Usually they shut up after that 😂😂
You're a cyclist and a gentleman 👍👏👏as for the bikes, well informed people knows that beyond a certain level, all gains are marginal so...long live for the rim brakes 😅 Abraço 🚴
Personally I’d have a nice bike for spring, summer, autumn and a cheaper bike for the English winters. There’s nothing wrong with rim brake bikes. I prefer discs now I’ve had one for a couple years but it’s more down to the comfort from running bigger tires and having no fear of overheating carbon rims on descents because I live in a hilly area. And I’m a heavy riders. If I was a smaller guy I’d probably have bought rim brakes as it was an option when I got the bike I currently have.
My goto wet weather ride is my secondhand Ridley Fenix alloy bike. Mixed 105 and non groupset but bulletproof, comfortable to ride and solid on bad irish roads. Cist 430euros last year, I put Continental Grand prix 4season tyres on it, got itserviced and I love it. My carbon Boardman is for dry days only! With are rim brake and functtion well. Would I like a newer machine? Of course! PS...love my Siroko gear, just bought a bean yellow rain jacket jacket and got it thoroughly tested in the torrential rain last Thursday. My upper body and arms completely dry, warm, unlike my legs!!
If I could go back in time, i would buy 3 cheap bikes no question! You can always upgrade certain parts later plus the wheels + tires make the biggest difference. I sometimes regret spending so much when i dont need any of it! The marketing got me good and squeezed me hard!
@fede1275 I got carried way way further than I'd like. I'm recoiling back to the basics of what a bike is and what it's supposed to do at its simplest form.
I follow the same approach - i rather have 3 specific (fit for purpose) bikes that represent great value for money (with rim brakes) and that excel in certain conditions than one "do it all" bike. Another benefit is that you always have a bike to ride while you tinker, maintain or upgrade on one of the others ;)
Great video it's not like you brought all the bikes at the same time. I have a commuter and summer bike would love a light climbing bike but I have a wife.... Not happening 😂
All valid points. I have my summer bike, an Orbea Orca di2, that I love and isn’t too flash, in winter I use a BMC Roadmachine X, ideal as it is aluminium frame and basic 1x mechanical setup, so it’s easy to maintain and being a gravel bike at heart, good in poor conditions. Depending on time of year, the one I’m not using outside, lives on the Kickr.
Since my new semi-aero, DI2, wide-wheeled, tubeless tyred, disk-braked bike arrived, I've not ridden either of my lovely older carbon framed, mechanical groupset, rim-braked bikes once... not one single time since last July... The new bike is just SO-MUCH-BETTER to ride in every single performance aspect, I'm struggling to find a scenario that I'd want to ride old bikes in and I love them to bits.... Sorry Federico, but you are missing out...
You said the older bikes are carbon, that's probably why you don't ride them. If they were steel framed bikes with some shinny silver bling components I bet you would ride them. I love those bikes so much I'm currently having Chris Bishop make me one. He isn't cheap but I'm spending the cash because that's how much I love an old vintage style bike. 😉
For me the single most important feature is weight and the responsiveness of the bike. I fear that to keep the same acceleration and feeling with a modern bike I would have to spend so much more that it becomes impractical for me.
Fred, dont listen too much to crappy comment's but concentrate on what's good for & suits you as deep down i think you know what you want..., for me personally i have a Merida Reacto 4000 disc 2020 full carbon areo road bike, swapped out the 105 hydraulic groupset & upgraded to Ultegra R8020, switched out the stock CW Expert 20mm alloy rims & replaced them with a set of 50mm thru axel Prime Black Edition tubeless ready carbon rims set with 160mm Ultegra roters which i have layed in latex tubes encased with Continental Gp5000s 28mm beaded clincher tyres & as for the cassette Ultegras 11/34, peddles are R8000 clipless & last but not least my saddle is a carbon printed affair by Specialized S Works., frame size is XL as im 6ft 1 & i weigh 96kg..., to date in my opinion this bike does it all really, really good in climbing, descending & just riding on the flats but as i said this is only my opinion so in your case brother do what you believe is best for you & yes Fred if indeed your going for a more morden bike then definitely try hydraulic disc brakes for sure, happy days...., 👊🏾👍🏾
Aloha, for me I would want a 105 level carbon disc build and your nice Canyon. Use the disc on actual rides and use the Canyon for traveling by plane, which is more involved with disc, and commuting etc. I currently have this set up except my rim bike is a 06 alum Felt which is great but not the level of your Canyon, but I never reach for my rim bike anymore like I thought I would have.it just sits collecting dust🤙
Crusty is probably the who gets the newest and trending bike.Does not ride much but just wants the most current bike. Ride what fits your needs ignore individuals like crusty.
3 is plenty to choose from, cant fault your choices Fed. I’ve got 2 tt bikes 4 road bikes carbon and titanium and mtb 5 power mtrs and two hr straps lol I want more lol gravel n cyclocross rig 😄😄😄👌
You've had few issues throughout the time with some of the frames and parts. That comment was harsh but in my opinion not far from the truth. I had a mekk poggio 1.6 carbon 105 rim brake which was an absolute weapon of a bike and a ribble endurace Al 105 hydraulic. I hated the extra weight of the endurance but loved the security and ease of braking on the hydraulic so i have sold both and added couple of hundred £ and got a canyon aeroad which is both lightweight, reliable, hydraulic brakes and fast. 4th year on it and haven't changed bottom bracket, headset, etc, etc and yes the mechanics from Sigma, Pearson's, etc said they're perfectly fine.
Federico, I love your sense of humour. For the 1st time this year I took my light weight rim brake bike out, I assured her it was ok and not to be shy. Just a thought is crusty related to crusty the clown of the Simpsons?
Always enjoy your videos, with 'your tell it like it is' aporoach, mixed in with some humour too. I personally would have just ignored the comment from trusty crusty. You do not have to justify yourself to anyone. You're happy doing what you do, and that's good enough for me, and all your subscribers who think you are a top bloke...😊
I ride a 2003 Trek 5900 built out with Dura Ace r9100 mechanical components w/rim brakes, of course. Bike is very light, very quick and dare I say every bit the bike of say todays Trek Emonda slr for a fraction the cost.
My summer road bike is an aging carbon scultura with Rim brakes, which was way cheaper and lighter than a current disc equivalent would be now. Winter/commuter steel SS with guards and a dynamo hub, and yes the third bike is an alloy (disc brakes) Gravel bike. Honestly when the weather is nice rim brakes are fine, they're still adequate in the wet (they didn't magically stop working once discs became a thing). Yeah the scultura will eventually get replaced with something disc brakes, but there's absolutely no need yet, and my finances don't support it either. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, but most people won't be impressed if you start showing them yours.
I don’t agree at with the comment.. I’ve had exotic bikes and now I ride steel and titanium as I personally prefer them for there characteristics etc it’s all about the rider not the bike.. do what you like my friend 😊 Pete 🚴🏻😃👍
@@fede1275 taking the opportunity of that little chat I would also like to tell how inspirational your work is to cycling enthusiasts not trying to promote all that fancy marketing stuff. Just a take from an average cyclist posting videos sharing his experiences. Greetings from Greece!
Fair play Fede you ride what you want mate . I do think that Classic style rim brake bikes look lovely. However in order to future proof yourself I would suggest trading in one of your bikes to a place like Kingston cycle exchange. They do an extensive range of bikes !!!Definitely keep a rim brake for commuting as it will make you fully appreciate a disc brake bike at the weekend when you’re out with your Moloko friends. Keep on putting out the fab content rants 😂👍🏽💪🏾
@@fede1275 sell 3 bikes since you have 4 and at the end is gonna be a good investment. I don’t think you will regret. You can get like 2,000 or 2,500 for the 3 bikes.
I think in the UK cycling is very marketing led. One Sunday morning group ride is all you need to confirm this. I currently live in Barcelona and often go to Girona. Whilst the bike shops have amazing choices of high end bikes, go on a group ride or just look at cyclists and you see plenty of older bikes and rim brakes ridden by super fit (!) riders which, on a good day could be mistaken for Pro's. Once you get sponsored by a top brand and get it free, by any means, take the thing. Until then, enjoy what you have.
Yes, the UK cycling base is also quite well off as well. I am not against buying expensive kit, I just hate marketing pushing products outside their characteristics. If you want a Cervelo S5 is okay, but it's a beast for the ones that can push hard. For an average rider might be a sluggish choice and they might be better with something lighter. Marketing will tell you that because it's so fast it would be better everywhere.
Hi Fede, i follow Your channel from the begining, we are about same age, and similar bike situation, meaning here about group and brakes. Imho, i would sell all except Merida comuter, and would buy bike new/used like Endurace disc 105 price range. I have also move from rim to disc brake, and could say, one and only advantage of rim brake is weight, period. When you have disc version, you have way much bigger wheels choice, not to mention how is cheaper to change disc then a rim. 👍
I know, but I got so addicted to riding my light Ultimate that for me is THE feature I crave. Responsiveness and acceleration are fantastic. Otherwise I agree with you
No such thing as one proper bike is enough. Bike lovers will always ended up with N+1 or 2 or 3 or more, whether its expensive or not. i have 4 bikes, not the industry type of high end bikes, but they are proper to me and i love them all.
The type of the bike is important to me (its geometry, the position it forces me to take, tyre clearance, typical gear ratios, etc.). I'm biased towards gravel bikes due to the versatility they provide. I'm not sure I'm really capable of feeling the difference between the frame's material when it comes to comfort, but many people claim they do. Budget-wise I would choose probably steel over carbon, however. I'm fine with alloy, though. As you may know, I don't care that much about bike weight. I like disc brakes mainly because they are placed further from the ground and tyres so they get less dirty and stay at full effectiveness for longer. And they do not squeal so much. However, I have mechanical, not hydraulic ones, so I don't think they give me way more braking power than rim brakes. On the other hand, they make wheels harder to remove and fit back again. I think the tyre choice is important. Aside from tread pattern and rolling resistance related to tyre construction and rubber compound, wider tyres, when ridden at proper pressures, provide better comfort and it has been shown they can be also faster than skinny tyres on the tarmac and especially on gravel or off-road. I believe tyres are the main component related to comfort - especially in bikes with no suspension. They have more influence than the frame's material and stiffness. Saddle can be important too. All the rest plays far lesser importance to me. I'm not saying the modern top equipment groupsets don't make the difference. But I'm completely fine with entry-level groups. They do what they are supposed to do. I'm currently running Advent-X from Microshift and I have no complaints.
Yes, it is down to priorities in the end. I still want the best performance possible on smooth roads, so for me it's a lightweight carbon bike, aero wheels, TPU tubes and 25c tyres. I can understand wide tyres are comfortable, for the speed I believe this is debatable
@@fede1275 "I can understand wide tires are comfortable, for the speed I believe this is debatable". Sure it is. According to physics, both wide and narrow tyres will roll exactly the same if inflated to proper pressures, that is for the same tyre drop under the load (other variables equal). This pressure will be of course higher for narrow tyres and lower for wider tyres. But the narrow tyres will be more affected by imperfections in the road surface, hence will be losing energy on bumps and cracks. This is why wider tyres might be beneficial, because they absorb those imperfections better, losing less energy. On very good-quality tarmac the difference will be probably negligible. but on anything worse, wider tyres are worth considering. There is, of course, a limit to this, since the wider one goes, the less aerodynamic a tyre becomes. On road bikes, the standard is now 28 mm, from what I see, but tyres up to 32 mm wide can be probably still beneficial on some surfaces. I don't think the professionals would switch to wider tyres just because of fashion. There has to be some benefit. Even if a wider tyre doesn't provide less rolling resistance in a given situation, the comfort it provides can still translate into higher average speed on the whole course due to less fatigue for the cyclist. As you said, in the end, it all comes down to preferences, of course.
@@sherab2078 I just think the aero benefit is for me more pertinent than the comfort gains. With wider tyres you need a much wider rim and to keep the same aero proportion you would need an even deeper rim, with crosswind issues
i have a old cervelo p3 build up as a roadbike and already getting a headache when i lock it outside a shop to get some food. and it was not that expensive. so a 5000€+ bike would be totaly unpractical for my purpose. also i need a backup if i have a mecanical problem with the bike but still need to go somewhere anyway.
My favorite bike is a 36 year Alan, that I raced in the 80s. I rode it recently in a gravel rave with 28 mm knobby tire and it is still a lot of fun. Most weekend warriors will not benefit from the new stuff unless they can consistently push 40 to 50 kph for hours at a time. If you have the money go for the newest and the greatest. For the rest of us just go out and ride your bike!
@@fede1275 I thought it was the other way around. Aero beats weight because the same aero principle applies to slow speeds and you are longer underway. There are even models that show that aero benefits slow speeds more than fast. For us climbs under 4 percent aero beats weight. (for pros thats at 7 percent) Its why climbers can not shakeoff riders at the Poggio. The speed is too high. Good tyres and lack of overweight, mentality (training) do the rest to make you speedy. Surplus talent you can only hope for.
@@karelvandervelden8819 I don't believe those models and to me in real life lightweight is always faster apart from the flats. Aero bikes are more susceptible to sidewinds and you also get more fatigue in acceleration phases due to the inertia. This is why riders going uphill have always preferred lightweight. We did not invent physics in the last 10 years, nothing has changed. With these models I believe some riders end up with the wrong bike for their characteristics and eventually are disappointed. If someone has bought an S5, a SistemSix or an Ultra to beat their friends even on a moderate gradient I guess they are going to be disappointed.
@@karelvandervelden8819 I learnt already, I run an aero bike and a lightweight one with the same position, wheels and groupset, I understand the difference and characteristics
Hydraulic disk brakes are horrendous. They do give better braking in the wet, but you’ll spend your life bleeding and replacing them. I’ve already replaced one pair of sram MTB brakes with Shimano and my SRAM force CX1 has now been replaced twice and they’re virtually impossible to bleed and get decent pressure at the lever. Simplicity is always best!
I still have my first carbon bike, a Sava (chinese brand). I remember how stoked I was to ride it, and how stoked I was when I bought my vision wheels team comp 30 wheels for $150 off ebay. I then went down the rabbit hole and have spent thousands on multiple other bikes. I kinda wish I still stuck with that bike. I just use it on my trainer now but I want to make it my main bike again. I miss the simplicity of it. You don't need all this expensive bullcrap. My road bike has been a Tarmac SL6 with mech ultegra but I pretty much am going to stick to quality Chinese stuff from now on.
Overall, it's way more fun to buy a string of comparatively low cost bikes over time, rather than one so called top end bike that you are basically stuck with because the huge overpricing in the first place leads to huge depreciation. No fun at all.
It was a naive comment. Can a top end bike do it all any better than a entry level bike can do it all? Does "better" mean a little faster? Do you need to look "Race ready" on your commute? I need to carry stuff, is a modern aero bike and a backpack a good look? Is me on any bike a good look?🤣 A cargo bike maybe... Nice one Frederico 👍
Too many first time cyclists are worried about what bike to get, weight, spec, 105, Ultegra all that BS. If your house is on fire, you get out the house, worry about why the fire started later. Just get a bike, and start riding.
I believe it is okay to concentrate on the gear, but I believe it would be better to be honest with what we need and what the gear can do for us. Otherwise we fall for the mixed messages marketing is pushing
I'm moving away from rim brake to disc because I found the bike that has the perfect geometry for normal cyclists, the BMC Roadmachine. I don't have it yet, but I am already stressing about losing the simplicity of working on a rim brake bike. The main reason of going with disc is that I'll be able to mount fatter tyres. No one is a pro. disc brakes might help going downhill on a rainy day, but let's be honest, who the fuck wants to ride on a shitty weather day?
I,m still riding the same bike i purchased 13 years ago (Trek 4.3 Domane) which has seen thousands of miles in all weather,s But i do fancy a new bike , but there is the Problem, So much Choice , The Cost and What sort of Gain would i get ??????
There is a recent video from Chris Horner - he is riding simple . As he said ... he still CRUSHES riders on the weekend with his bike vs. the new $13+k bikes. Don't get me wrong ... I like new bikes, but comments from people like Crusty need to be entirely ridiculed. I would love to see this guy have a 1:1 discussion with Federico and show his face.
💪🏻 i have a pinarello prince ticr rim brake that is a a rare one I have a TCR rim brake too and each has a purpose the pina all rounder no exotic parts DA 9100 mechanical group corima wheels 7.1kg ready to ride computer bottle cages pedals lights etc.... The tcr same DA 9100 mechanical some darimo parts and nun wheels 6.4kg for the hills😂 ill ride rim brakes as long as i can my next project a steel bike jajajajjaajaa I'm marketing inmune
I have a Canyon ultimate CF SL7 like your new bought one. I was thinking of upgrading it and was thinking of those prime wheels. would you recommend them? did they actually make you lose 700 grams from your old wheels? 7.6 kg to 6.9 kg is a huge difference
I have few more upgrades to get to 6.9kg including pedals, Roval seatpost, Lún Hyper R45 SE wheels, Dura Ace cassette and H31 cockpit. But the Prime wheels, around 1600g, should save almost 300g from a standard aluminium wheelset and improve the performance massively, especially in holding speed. Highly recommended for the price.
you dont need to listen to peoples opinion on what bike you should ride.. the best bike for you is really simple. the best bike you can ride. is the bike that you want to ride every single day.
I love watching you talk yourself into a new purchase. That post you’re concerned about is a troll. You should delete his post and block him because he’s obviously full of shit. None of your bikes are ugly, and you can buy any damn thing you want 👍🏻
The guy who made the comment doesn’t have a clue. People should Ride whatever they want and shouldn’t impose their own inability to resist desperate marketing on to others. 99% of us will barely notice any performance improvements switching from one carbon bike to another. We are not riding at the appropriate speeds.
Thank you Fede. Yes, i understand. I didn't want to cause you family problems. I didnt expect you to tell it him. Im sorry. I know my comment was a bit sharp, but i wanted to provoke you to answer. So, thank you for answer, for another video with super funny part, i really love it. Great kit again. Keep going, ill keep watching. Peace
No worries, I appreciated the hint for the conversation, so it's all good. I will invoice you for the bikes therapy sessions separately 😄
So you built three bikes that meet your needs perfectly. Sounds like a win to me.
Ridiculous comment... this dude got brainwashed by marketing apparently. Ride the bikes you like and keep up the enjoyable content Federico!
I don't think is that ridiculous as you say, look for example I have just 1 bike that is good for all and very reliable. I don't have the luxury to have enough space in my flat for 3 bikes regardless if cheap or expensive but the rule of thumb was, is and always will be: buy cheap buy twice or multiple times.
As another example: there's a reason an Ultegra chain is double/triple the price than an entry level-the coating and materials makes it last 10 times longer.
Some marketing is added as well but is not always the case.
@@RazvanBuescuHello! Just to clarify, the “ridiculous” aspect from the comment is that it sounds as if “modern bike on disc brakes with modern wide wheels and wide TLR tyres” are the only proper bikes, and all the other bikes are “half-functional, no braking heavy and ugly bikes”. This just seems very narrow-minded and plainly wrong. If you take Federico’s Canyon Ultimate as an example, it seems to ride and brake just fine, and is a very light bike. (Whether it is ugly or not is subjective, but I happen to like it).
Whether or not it is better to have one good-for-all bike or three different bikes depends on the riders’ situation and preference. There is no universal solution. Old bike, new bike, disc or rim brake, steel/aluminium/carbon/titanium frame…whatever people ride on, I just hope they like their bike and enjoy riding it. We’re not pros trying to compete in the world tour.
@@BrainSt0rm314 hey man, I hear you with the ugly and the half functional and sounds like a snob, harsh and mean. By all means I'm not going to champion these types of comments.
Although with what you said, Fede is riding carbon rims brakes which in wet the stopping power is minimal. It makes the difference between stopping behind the lorry or under it. I kissed a van and it wasn't fun. For me this is a deal breaker, never rim brakes again. I've had my fair share of riding rims and the stopping power compared to discs is beyond compare, especially if you like to ride a bit faster.
That being said I agree that the insulting part wasn't necessary though I would sell all 3 and get a disc brake at least for safety reasons.
That's the kind of guy bike brands love.
He buys the new 4% lighter 3% faster 8% more aeroierer 6% stiffer 80% more expensive model every year.
Federico, you are a great gentleman to respond kindly to Crusty, who in my view is not smart. He says it himself... "he does not get it". Everybody has a different story and a different path to cycling. With imagination and intelligence, it should be easy to understand them all.
_To each their own_ - your stable of bikes clearly works for you. Terms like "proper" or "ugly" are subjective, so I'm glad don't take such comments to heart. Ride on and thank you.
The best bike in the world is the one you own.
You have to ignore the Crusty’s in the world with their stupid comments and unwanted opinions and do what pleases you and your pocket.
Keep doing what you are doing my friend, I always enjoy watching your videos and down to earth opinions. Great work. 🚴🏻
@Brian, I agree 100% with you. Tired of people pushing new, expensive disk bikes down our throats. Ride what you want. Great video Federico.
This is why I started to follow you and why I like when a new video from you pops up!
Honest down to earth cycling content! People like this it’s authentic.
Keep your experiments on the budget side, there is a lot on the journey, and of course in actually riding bikes!
And I bet there is going to come a bike sponsor at some point 😬
Keep it up, great work
Not sure if I would be considered a good sponsorship material now 😂
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You have to do what is right for you. Your channel is amazing and inspire people to cycle. You show people that you don't have to spend a fortune to enjoy the sport of cycling. Also, it's obvious that you're doing well financially, but you're responsible with your money. You're a winner in the game we call life.
I appreciate that, thank you!
Half functional? Remember when UAE and Ineous were the only teams in the peloton riding rim brakes and the number of wins they kept getting? Quite hilarious imo. Didn't seem to slow them down on the uphill's, the downhills or around corners. Short memories.
They had to stop using rim brake bikes in the grand tours for disc bikes to win actually!
Well..this guy, you’re doing very well Federico! I’ve crashed my beloved SW SL6 RB 6.85 kg with deep rims. I flew over the roof of a car and I’m still alive (back injured) No time to break, not my fault. So for the time being I’ve built up a second hand SW SL7 disc frame. It weighs 7.2 , I’m not impressed by the braking, the front brake squeels like a pig and it’s a lot of hassle to install and maintain. Besides that it’s less lively. If the insurance let me repair the SL6 I’ll probably sell the SL7.
I am happy you did not have worse consequences from the crash! As you mentioned I fear I would lose that responsiveness you get from a rim brake frame with a modern disc brake bike
@@fede1275 Thank you,! Bang on Federico, no gains from discs except for braking in the wet downhill.
I'm also a Londoner and I have 2 bikes. One for the winter and a summer rim brake bike which I love. They are both used for a specific function. Not sure i would ever spend 5k on a bike, I don't see the value in it unless one is serious racer.
And nowadays 5k is not even mid range for some brands 😂
One could buy something with a motor in it for that sort of money! 😅
Hi, I have a modern disc brake steel road bike which I use in the winter with mudguards. In summer ( BST) I ride my 15 year old Colnago C50 rim brake stunner. I am all for weather specific bike use 👍
Hi, I also have a C50 with Campagnolo - best bike I have ever owned. My slowest bike as people want to stop & check it out and chat to me about it on rides
Hi Federico- I am in a similar boat- rim brake Colnagos - c64 for summer and the mountains, rim clx evo for winter and turbo sessions. The trick is to have interchangeable wheelsets - alloy for winter and the mountains, carbon for summer at home and deep carbon for flatter rides - personally I am not against disc bikes - although aesthetically they are not so pleasing on the eye- the reason I shy away from disc is that I don’t want to pay heavy mechanic fees everytime I want to work in the steering/headset with my current setup I can do literally everything myself with relatively generic tools
Exactly!
This !! Fed buy a second hand bianchi or colango and wack a 2015 ish super record on it... dream stuff....
even more divorce material 😂😂
Rim brakes, 26mm turbo cottons, latex tubes 👌
I should test asap latex or tpu tubes :D It worth?
@@Godspeed961 I found the tpu tubes don't feel as smooth you get too much road feedback. Latex felt much better, not as light as tpu but I prefer. If you're running a good quality cotton tyre like a Vittoria or specialized then it's very fast setup.
@@MarcraM82 Thx for the info . I run vitoria corsa 25 front and gatorskin 28 rear. I was thinking about aerothan which is tpu, but i will try latex as you say. its cheaper also :D
@@Godspeed961 yes latex is a happy medium between tpu and butyl.
Great vid, I think you got some cool bikes there. Personally I prefer rim brakes for a nice look and never had a problem stopping. 🚴🚴🚴
I think Crusty needs some of that therapy Dr Fred.😂
Some people can't help but leaving unpolite comments. I appreciate your channel, I appreciate as well your experiments, I'm just envious I can't do the same experiments...
Thank you, it was still a good opportunity for a debate 😄
As someone who has a pretty high end Giant tcr advanced disc and a Specialized Allez Sprint disc, I only recently build up a CAAD 8. And I am blown away at how closely it performs to bikes costing 5x. (Also I am not a slow rider). We all wonder what we would have chosen in we could go back in time. But without the information we have now we would just make the same decisions again!
So much discussion nowdays about modern bikes and fancy equipment and yet the best upgrade in every bike it is its rider.
Haha yeah, wheels and tires also makes massive difference from my experience
The way people like Crusty need to be treated is avoid at all costs. Once they start expressing their elitism simply walk or ride away and end any conversation. Once everyone has alienated this guy and others like him, they may get some understanding in their loneliness or at least start to question why nobody wants anything to do with people like him.
I'm currently on the list to have a custom frame builder build me a steel old school rim brake bike with lugs, the 1 inch headtube with threaded steerer and quill stem, components with shinny silver aluminum finishes, and modern Campagnolo mechanical shifters. The predicted cost is $6k but it will be a bike that can stand the test of time like so many vintage steel bikes have done for decades. All this modern electronic stuff, and I already have Dura-Ace 11 speed Di2 by the way, is nonsense. I like the DA but I know it's not made to have a long life. I chose rim brakes for this frame because disc brakes are not any better than rim brakes, I don't care what anyone says. I'll say that again, I don't care about other people's opinions on this argument, so they should just shut up and go ride their disc brake bikes and find someone else to listen to their crap. I have more than 50 years of experience riding and I like what I like. Good video Federico and thanks for letting me say my piece.
Well said sir...
It's going to be a great custom bike! I am not too bothered by the comment, in Rome banter and mutual offence is just the norm!
One for the grimmy commute & one shiny one for fun trips is my sweet spot.
Luv your content. Enjoy and choose whatever makes you happy🎉
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
For commuting I wouldn't park a €15.000 bike unattended. A daily driver makes a lot of sense.
For leisure and pleasure it's a case of how deep your pockets are.😂
But sticking to 105 will stretch the budget to build another bike. Or even two bikes. Splashing cash on Dura Ace Di2 would come at much higer cost of ownership as all parts are much more expensive.
I'm just restarting my road biking and chose an aluminium bike with Ultegra.
I'll have to train to be able to enjoy or experience the benefits of a lightweight or aerobike. Your videos are very helpful in making my own choices, thanks.
Thank you for the video. Ride whatever makes you happy and feels good. I kept a couple of bikes for a few weeks before selling cos they didn’t feel nice. On the other hand I kept a Peugeot PX 10 for 30 years, and still think it was nicer than most of today’s bikes. I sold a rock stiff 2014 Giant TCR Ultegra Di2 to get a softer ride for my back on a rim brake Tarmac SL6 (6.47kg with cages and pedals). Many ex-pros say keep it forever (no discs) and I will … easy maintenance, ride and smile. So find a 2nd hand frame you like, put some nice wheels (Rovals roll fast) and the rest is up to you! Keep smiling.
That SL6 should be very nice!!
A real world, honest, sensible response to crusty’s comment. Love the videos and content, keep it real
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those ultimates in that mat black color looks so damn good
Yes, especially the latest one, full black. The earlier model had some grey details
The move to disc brake gets me excited because I can get good deals on some amazing 2nd hand rim brake bikes.
Every time I open market place there is something I want to buy!!
You keep doing your thing brother! Dont worry about negative comments. All your bikes are nice, and serve the purpose-to pedal! I have a nice aero bike, with mechanical Dura Ace, and rim brakes. Even though it’s aero, it climbs very well. Probably just under 17 lbs. Disc, and DI2 is very nice as well. Only heavier, uglier, and less aero. But the industry seems to be forcing people into buying them, not really give us much choice. As for tubeless, a total, waste of time, money, a big mess, and totally unnecessary. I flat once or twice a year, and with my CO2’s, change the flat in 10 minutes flat. I did recently buy a “modern” aero bike with disc/DI2 though. I would call it more convenient, that’s about it. More efficient shifting, and stopping. Nice, but again, not needed, and expensive. So I guess I have the best of both worlds. Thanks for the great videos brother!👊😎🚴🏻
There is always someone warming up their fingers to type a hurtful or demeaning comment on just about every video. I feel sorry for people who are so miserable that they try to take down everyone around them. Ride what you want, wear what you want and let the elitists and snobs think what they want. This is coming from a guy with several high end bikes but I am also in my 60's and it took a long time to acquire my current stable. Enjoy your videos and your personality!
Thank you, I really don't mind, in Rome between friends everyone is offending each others just for fun!
I think you should upgrade to the newest bike, there is nothing like the stopping power of disc brakes, and having shifting with electronic wireless group set, not to mention how good it makes you feel pulling up to your group ride with the latest, you will get more miles with smiles for sure, go big!✌🏼
@@pacfan1165I know, but I fear that to get the same responsive feeling of my Ultimate with a new bike I need to spend big!
In my opinion, all you REALLY need is 1 bike for nice weather, 1 for bad weather. That's my setup (Giant TCR / converted Fisher Hoo Koo E Koo) and I'm happy. Key word here is happy. It's not about what you need, it's about what you want. There are no wrong answers. Just pedal with a smile inside.
You are you / an individual...that's becoming a rare thing in this Matrix world... keep being you 👌🏻🤙🏻👌🏻
Always!
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Hey I have been following you quite some time and my take on this topic is sitck to what makes you feel good. I have two road bikes, rim brake and under 7 kg both. Many friends have fancy disc brake electronic groupset bikes but I still beat them everytime. Looks are important since they drive us to feel better but if you perform good enough and you like how your bikes look then keep them. Keep uploading these great videos.
Thank you!!
Yeah the person who posted that comment definitely didn't understand the concept of paying 6000 up front at once vs 6000 bit by bit over years. He wouldn't have asked why you didn't buy all the clothes you wore for the past however many years all at once but I guess they didn't think it through all the way. Your collection of bikes obtained over the years from your first bike until now is how it should be done as opposed to beginners buying a 6000+ bike at the start. Plus now you have a sub 7kg bike, an aero bike, and a spare frame! Sounds like a respectable fleet to me
Wow, all 3 of your bikes are rim brakes.. not gonna lie, that’s good to see. I have 2 disc bikes, and 2 single speed rim brake bikes. While I like discs, rim brakes are so much simpler! IMO, if you are commuting or riding more than once per week, it’s worth it to have more than one bike so that if one goes down, you have others. Especially with carbon.
Yes, I used to ride the Merida with mechanical discs, but these were not that good. So it made sense to have all the bikes with rims
Indeed so. I do feel you should try the Wheeltop electronic rim break groupset. Sells here in Malaysia for around 470 pounds British ...
Interesting!!
Stick so long as possible with the bike you like the most ( just look at the km summary on your strava and then you know;) ). Look for another one when it gives any kind of limitations :)
I think 3 bikes is the right number: lightweight climbing, endurance/commute/winter, & aero/flat/race bike (maybe endurance/commute gets split off from winter as funds and space (and personal living arrangements) allow)
Ride what makes you happy! I have both a rim and disc brake bike and I enjoy riding both. Do what I do when someone complains about what I have, tell them if it bothers you that much why don’t you buy me one? Usually they shut up after that 😂😂
No. Stay cheap😅. Dont become a victim of the industry
You're a cyclist and a gentleman 👍👏👏as for the bikes, well informed people knows that beyond a certain level, all gains are marginal so...long live for the rim brakes 😅 Abraço 🚴
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3 bikes = 1/3 of the wear & tear per bike. And if you have a mechanical issue you have a ready backup.
Good good good point!
Personally I’d have a nice bike for spring, summer, autumn and a cheaper bike for the English winters.
There’s nothing wrong with rim brake bikes. I prefer discs now I’ve had one for a couple years but it’s more down to the comfort from running bigger tires and having no fear of overheating carbon rims on descents because I live in a hilly area. And I’m a heavy riders. If I was a smaller guy I’d probably have bought rim brakes as it was an option when I got the bike I currently have.
Yes, understandable
My goto wet weather ride is my secondhand Ridley Fenix alloy bike. Mixed 105 and non groupset but bulletproof, comfortable to ride and solid on bad irish roads. Cist 430euros last year, I put Continental Grand prix 4season tyres on it, got itserviced and I love it. My carbon Boardman is for dry days only! With are rim brake and functtion well. Would I like a newer machine? Of course! PS...love my Siroko gear, just bought a bean yellow rain jacket jacket and got it thoroughly tested in the torrential rain last Thursday. My upper body and arms completely dry, warm, unlike my legs!!
Great the hear that!
If I could go back in time, i would buy 3 cheap bikes no question! You can always upgrade certain parts later plus the wheels + tires make the biggest difference. I sometimes regret spending so much when i dont need any of it! The marketing got me good and squeezed me hard!
Cycling it's so addictive that is easy to get carried away with the marketing sirens
@fede1275 I got carried way way further than I'd like. I'm recoiling back to the basics of what a bike is and what it's supposed to do at its simplest form.
I follow the same approach - i rather have 3 specific (fit for purpose) bikes that represent great value for money (with rim brakes) and that excel in certain conditions than one "do it all" bike.
Another benefit is that you always have a bike to ride while you tinker, maintain or upgrade on one of the others ;)
Absolutely!
Great video it's not like you brought all the bikes at the same time. I have a commuter and summer bike would love a light climbing bike but I have a wife.... Not happening 😂
Your approach is far more interesting! Besides, the performance of your Canyon equals that of any so called 'modern' bike out there...
All valid points. I have my summer bike, an Orbea Orca di2, that I love and isn’t too flash, in winter I use a BMC Roadmachine X, ideal as it is aluminium frame and basic 1x mechanical setup, so it’s easy to maintain and being a gravel bike at heart, good in poor conditions. Depending on time of year, the one I’m not using outside, lives on the Kickr.
Since my new semi-aero, DI2, wide-wheeled, tubeless tyred, disk-braked bike arrived, I've not ridden either of my lovely older carbon framed, mechanical groupset, rim-braked bikes once... not one single time since last July...
The new bike is just SO-MUCH-BETTER to ride in every single performance aspect, I'm struggling to find a scenario that I'd want to ride old bikes in and I love them to bits....
Sorry Federico, but you are missing out...
You said the older bikes are carbon, that's probably why you don't ride them. If they were steel framed bikes with some shinny silver bling components I bet you would ride them. I love those bikes so much I'm currently having Chris Bishop make me one. He isn't cheap but I'm spending the cash because that's how much I love an old vintage style bike. 😉
For me the single most important feature is weight and the responsiveness of the bike. I fear that to keep the same acceleration and feeling with a modern bike I would have to spend so much more that it becomes impractical for me.
Fred, dont listen too much to crappy comment's but concentrate on what's good for & suits you as deep down i think you know what you want..., for me personally i have a Merida Reacto 4000 disc 2020 full carbon areo road bike, swapped out the 105 hydraulic groupset & upgraded to Ultegra R8020, switched out the stock CW Expert 20mm alloy rims & replaced them with a set of 50mm thru axel Prime Black Edition tubeless ready carbon rims set with 160mm Ultegra roters which i have layed in latex tubes encased with Continental Gp5000s 28mm beaded clincher tyres & as for the cassette Ultegras 11/34, peddles are R8000 clipless & last but not least my saddle is a carbon printed affair by Specialized S Works., frame size is XL as im 6ft 1 & i weigh 96kg..., to date in my opinion this bike does it all really, really good in climbing, descending & just riding on the flats but as i said this is only my opinion so in your case brother do what you believe is best for you & yes Fred if indeed your going for a more morden bike then definitely try hydraulic disc brakes for sure, happy days...., 👊🏾👍🏾
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Aloha, for me I would want a 105 level carbon disc build and your nice Canyon. Use the disc on actual rides and use the Canyon for traveling by plane, which is more involved with disc, and commuting etc. I currently have this set up except my rim bike is a 06 alum Felt which is great but not the level of your Canyon, but I never reach for my rim bike anymore like I thought I would have.it just sits collecting dust🤙
Crusty is probably the who gets the newest and trending bike.Does not ride much but just wants the most current bike. Ride what fits your needs ignore individuals like crusty.
Invest in best wheels and best tires with latex tubes, stay on rim brakes and have fun.
I am on TPU tubes, light and almost as fast
3 is plenty to choose from, cant fault your choices Fed. I’ve got 2 tt bikes 4 road bikes carbon and titanium and mtb 5 power mtrs and two hr straps lol I want more lol gravel n cyclocross rig 😄😄😄👌
Good choice!
You've had few issues throughout the time with some of the frames and parts.
That comment was harsh but in my opinion not far from the truth.
I had a mekk poggio 1.6 carbon 105 rim brake which was an absolute weapon of a bike and a ribble endurace Al 105 hydraulic. I hated the extra weight of the endurance but loved the security and ease of braking on the hydraulic so i have sold both and added couple of hundred £ and got a canyon aeroad which is both lightweight, reliable, hydraulic brakes and fast. 4th year on it and haven't changed bottom bracket, headset, etc, etc and yes the mechanics from Sigma, Pearson's, etc said they're perfectly fine.
Federico, I love your sense of humour. For the 1st time this year I took my light weight rim brake bike out, I assured her it was ok and not to be shy.
Just a thought is crusty related to crusty the clown of the Simpsons?
Maybe is the one from Simpsons, hahaha
Always enjoy your videos, with 'your tell it like it is' aporoach, mixed in with some humour too. I personally would have just ignored the comment from trusty crusty. You do not have to justify yourself to anyone. You're happy doing what you do, and that's good enough for me, and all your subscribers who think you are a top bloke...😊
Thank you! I love a good conversation anyway
I ride a 2003 Trek 5900 built out with Dura Ace r9100 mechanical components w/rim brakes, of course. Bike is very light, very quick and dare I say every bit the bike of say todays Trek Emonda slr for a fraction the cost.
Exactly! I would love to change my 105 to Dura Ace 9100, but it's getting rare. Maybe Ultegra would do
@@fede1275 Ultegra is an exceptional groupset.
My summer road bike is an aging carbon scultura with Rim brakes, which was way cheaper and lighter than a current disc equivalent would be now. Winter/commuter steel SS with guards and a dynamo hub, and yes the third bike is an alloy (disc brakes) Gravel bike.
Honestly when the weather is nice rim brakes are fine, they're still adequate in the wet (they didn't magically stop working once discs became a thing).
Yeah the scultura will eventually get replaced with something disc brakes, but there's absolutely no need yet, and my finances don't support it either.
Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, but most people won't be impressed if you start showing them yours.
I don’t agree at with the comment.. I’ve had exotic bikes and now I ride steel and titanium as I personally prefer them for there characteristics etc it’s all about the rider not the bike.. do what you like my friend 😊 Pete 🚴🏻😃👍
I, like you , own two older tech bikes. The only reason I would switch to disc brakes is the wider tires.
Not too sure about wider tyres, apart from comfort of course
@@fede1275 taking the opportunity of that little chat I would also like to tell how inspirational your work is to cycling enthusiasts not trying to promote all that fancy marketing stuff. Just a take from an average cyclist posting videos sharing his experiences.
Greetings from Greece!
@@charalamposkostopoulos601 Thank you!!
Fair play Fede you ride what you want mate . I do think that Classic style rim brake bikes look lovely. However in order to future proof yourself I would suggest trading in one of your bikes to a place like Kingston cycle exchange. They do an extensive range of bikes !!!Definitely keep a rim brake for commuting as it will make you fully appreciate a disc brake bike at the weekend when you’re out with your Moloko friends. Keep on putting out the fab content rants 😂👍🏽💪🏾
Problem is when I look at Cycle Exchange stock I end up in the rim brakes section again LOL!
The industry loves Crusty!
I would say keep 1 and get the sl8 but not the sworks. All around bike, light, aero. Not cheap but there is not competition
At least just get the regular sl8 frame and make it your own. Good aerobars and still the regular sl8 frame is lighter than the sworks sl7
I know, but still a lot of money for still a marginal improvement
@@fede1275 sell 3 bikes since you have 4 and at the end is gonna be a good investment. I don’t think you will regret. You can get like 2,000 or 2,500 for the 3 bikes.
I think in the UK cycling is very marketing led. One Sunday morning group ride is all you need to confirm this. I currently live in Barcelona and often go to Girona. Whilst the bike shops have amazing choices of high end bikes, go on a group ride or just look at cyclists and you see plenty of older bikes and rim brakes ridden by super fit (!) riders which, on a good day could be mistaken for Pro's. Once you get sponsored by a top brand and get it free, by any means, take the thing. Until then, enjoy what you have.
Yes, the UK cycling base is also quite well off as well. I am not against buying expensive kit, I just hate marketing pushing products outside their characteristics. If you want a Cervelo S5 is okay, but it's a beast for the ones that can push hard. For an average rider might be a sluggish choice and they might be better with something lighter. Marketing will tell you that because it's so fast it would be better everywhere.
@@fede1275 indeed and you/we still have to ride the thing up that damn hill.
Federico. If you feel you’re happy with your choices and they (the bikes) perform to your liking, then why change. Tanti saluti.
Hi Fede, i follow Your channel from the begining, we are about same age, and similar bike situation, meaning here about group and brakes. Imho, i would sell all except Merida comuter, and would buy bike new/used like Endurace disc 105 price range. I have also move from rim to disc brake, and could say, one and only advantage of rim brake is weight, period. When you have disc version, you have way much bigger wheels choice, not to mention how is cheaper to change disc then a rim.
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I know, but I got so addicted to riding my light Ultimate that for me is THE feature I crave. Responsiveness and acceleration are fantastic. Otherwise I agree with you
yes pls!
No such thing as one proper bike is enough. Bike lovers will always ended up with N+1 or 2 or 3 or more, whether its expensive or not. i have 4 bikes, not the industry type of high end bikes, but they are proper to me and i love them all.
The type of the bike is important to me (its geometry, the position it forces me to take, tyre clearance, typical gear ratios, etc.). I'm biased towards gravel bikes due to the versatility they provide. I'm not sure I'm really capable of feeling the difference between the frame's material when it comes to comfort, but many people claim they do. Budget-wise I would choose probably steel over carbon, however. I'm fine with alloy, though. As you may know, I don't care that much about bike weight. I like disc brakes mainly because they are placed further from the ground and tyres so they get less dirty and stay at full effectiveness for longer. And they do not squeal so much. However, I have mechanical, not hydraulic ones, so I don't think they give me way more braking power than rim brakes. On the other hand, they make wheels harder to remove and fit back again. I think the tyre choice is important. Aside from tread pattern and rolling resistance related to tyre construction and rubber compound, wider tyres, when ridden at proper pressures, provide better comfort and it has been shown they can be also faster than skinny tyres on the tarmac and especially on gravel or off-road. I believe tyres are the main component related to comfort - especially in bikes with no suspension. They have more influence than the frame's material and stiffness. Saddle can be important too. All the rest plays far lesser importance to me. I'm not saying the modern top equipment groupsets don't make the difference. But I'm completely fine with entry-level groups. They do what they are supposed to do. I'm currently running Advent-X from Microshift and I have no complaints.
Yes, it is down to priorities in the end. I still want the best performance possible on smooth roads, so for me it's a lightweight carbon bike, aero wheels, TPU tubes and 25c tyres. I can understand wide tyres are comfortable, for the speed I believe this is debatable
@@fede1275 "I can understand wide tires are comfortable, for the speed I believe this is debatable". Sure it is. According to physics, both wide and narrow tyres will roll exactly the same if inflated to proper pressures, that is for the same tyre drop under the load (other variables equal). This pressure will be of course higher for narrow tyres and lower for wider tyres. But the narrow tyres will be more affected by imperfections in the road surface, hence will be losing energy on bumps and cracks. This is why wider tyres might be beneficial, because they absorb those imperfections better, losing less energy. On very good-quality tarmac the difference will be probably negligible. but on anything worse, wider tyres are worth considering. There is, of course, a limit to this, since the wider one goes, the less aerodynamic a tyre becomes. On road bikes, the standard is now 28 mm, from what I see, but tyres up to 32 mm wide can be probably still beneficial on some surfaces. I don't think the professionals would switch to wider tyres just because of fashion. There has to be some benefit. Even if a wider tyre doesn't provide less rolling resistance in a given situation, the comfort it provides can still translate into higher average speed on the whole course due to less fatigue for the cyclist. As you said, in the end, it all comes down to preferences, of course.
@@sherab2078 I just think the aero benefit is for me more pertinent than the comfort gains. With wider tyres you need a much wider rim and to keep the same aero proportion you would need an even deeper rim, with crosswind issues
@@fede1275 and I'm perfectly fine with that. 👍
i have a old cervelo p3 build up as a roadbike and already getting a headache when i lock it outside a shop to get some food. and it was not that expensive. so a 5000€+ bike would be totaly unpractical for my purpose. also i need a backup if i have a mecanical problem with the bike but still need to go somewhere anyway.
Bravo Fede. You are absolutely right. yYou shoud not even consider comments like this. Lascia stare 😉 Saluti da Zurigo
Mi piace discutere comunque ahahah
N+1 is my theory😂
You can never have enough bikes!
Cheap / expensive / retro / modern / road / gravel / mtb / electric / uni.
I use 3 road bikes all rim brake
Vintage steel Colnago
Aluminium Trek Emonda
Carbon Time Fluidity
All bikes have a different function
Three is a good balance
I want a £10,000 bike, but I can't afford it, and if I could, I would still want to upgrade it!
It is never ending!
Try a pair of 28mm gp5000 if you’re not already running, psi to 85. This was an amazing experience I tried on my rim tcr.
My Ultimate is marked for up to 25c even if they should fit. I love the aero transition of the 25c with the Hyper wheels as well
My favorite bike is a 36 year Alan, that I raced in the 80s.
I rode it recently in a gravel rave with 28 mm knobby tire and it is still a lot of fun.
Most weekend warriors will not benefit from the new stuff unless they can consistently push 40 to 50 kph for hours at a time.
If you have the money go for the newest and the greatest.
For the rest of us just go out and ride your bike!
Yes, some of the marginal benefits only work for who can ride at faster speeds. For anyone else I still believe lightweight is more beneficial
@@fede1275 I thought it was the other way around.
Aero beats weight because the same aero principle applies
to slow speeds and you are longer underway.
There are even models that show that aero benefits slow speeds more than fast.
For us climbs under 4 percent aero beats weight. (for pros thats at 7 percent)
Its why climbers can not shakeoff riders at the Poggio. The speed is too high.
Good tyres and lack of overweight, mentality (training) do the rest to make you speedy.
Surplus talent you can only hope for.
@@karelvandervelden8819 I don't believe those models and to me in real life lightweight is always faster apart from the flats. Aero bikes are more susceptible to sidewinds and you also get more fatigue in acceleration phases due to the inertia. This is why riders going uphill have always preferred lightweight. We did not invent physics in the last 10 years, nothing has changed. With these models I believe some riders end up with the wrong bike for their characteristics and eventually are disappointed. If someone has bought an S5, a SistemSix or an Ultra to beat their friends even on a moderate gradient I guess they are going to be disappointed.
@@fede1275 you will learn
@@karelvandervelden8819 I learnt already, I run an aero bike and a lightweight one with the same position, wheels and groupset, I understand the difference and characteristics
LOL. Keep your beauties. I think its great to see the diversity of bikes on your channel rather than focusing on just one top range bike. 🫶
Yes, for now it's working for me!
Hydraulic disk brakes are horrendous. They do give better braking in the wet, but you’ll spend your life bleeding and replacing them. I’ve already replaced one pair of sram MTB brakes with Shimano and my SRAM force CX1 has now been replaced twice and they’re virtually impossible to bleed and get decent pressure at the lever. Simplicity is always best!
I do also think that, but the majority of riders want them
I still have my first carbon bike, a Sava (chinese brand). I remember how stoked I was to ride it, and how stoked I was when I bought my vision wheels team comp 30 wheels for $150 off ebay. I then went down the rabbit hole and have spent thousands on multiple other bikes. I kinda wish I still stuck with that bike. I just use it on my trainer now but I want to make it my main bike again. I miss the simplicity of it. You don't need all this expensive bullcrap. My road bike has been a Tarmac SL6 with mech ultegra but I pretty much am going to stick to quality Chinese stuff from now on.
Yes, you had a nice platform to improve to start with
Overall, it's way more fun to buy a string of comparatively low cost bikes over time, rather than one so called top end bike that you are basically stuck with because the huge overpricing in the first place leads to huge depreciation. No fun at all.
It was a naive comment. Can a top end bike do it all any better than a entry level bike can do it all? Does "better" mean a little faster? Do you need to look "Race ready" on your commute? I need to carry stuff, is a modern aero bike and a backpack a good look? Is me on any bike a good look?🤣 A cargo bike maybe... Nice one Frederico 👍
I want to look race ready for my commute LOL!
@@fede1275 and you do 😁👍
Too many first time cyclists are worried about what bike to get, weight, spec, 105, Ultegra all that BS. If your house is on fire, you get out the house, worry about why the fire started later. Just get a bike, and start riding.
I believe it is okay to concentrate on the gear, but I believe it would be better to be honest with what we need and what the gear can do for us. Otherwise we fall for the mixed messages marketing is pushing
I choose 3 cheap bikes.
1 indoor bike
1 race bike
1 endurance bike
I'm moving away from rim brake to disc because I found the bike that has the perfect geometry for normal cyclists, the BMC Roadmachine.
I don't have it yet, but I am already stressing about losing the simplicity of working on a rim brake bike.
The main reason of going with disc is that I'll be able to mount fatter tyres. No one is a pro. disc brakes might help going downhill on a rainy day, but let's be honest, who the fuck wants to ride on a shitty weather day?
It is definitely so much easier to work on and travel with a rim brakes bike!
I,m still riding the same bike i purchased 13 years ago (Trek 4.3 Domane) which has seen thousands of miles in all weather,s But i do fancy a new bike , but there is the Problem, So much Choice , The Cost and What sort of Gain would i get ??????
Not easy these days!
There is a recent video from Chris Horner - he is riding simple . As he said ... he still CRUSHES riders on the weekend with his bike vs. the new $13+k bikes. Don't get me wrong ... I like new bikes, but comments from people like Crusty need to be entirely ridiculed. I would love to see this guy have a 1:1 discussion with Federico and show his face.
I will still be smiling, don't mind a bit of criticism 😄
💪🏻 i have a pinarello prince ticr rim brake that is a a rare one
I have a TCR rim brake too and each has a purpose the pina all rounder no exotic parts DA 9100 mechanical group corima wheels 7.1kg ready to ride computer bottle cages pedals lights etc....
The tcr same DA 9100 mechanical some darimo parts and nun wheels 6.4kg for the hills😂 ill ride rim brakes as long as i can my next project a steel bike jajajajjaajaa I'm marketing inmune
I have a Canyon ultimate CF SL7 like your new bought one. I was thinking of upgrading it and was thinking of those prime wheels. would you recommend them? did they actually make you lose 700 grams from your old wheels?
7.6 kg to 6.9 kg is a huge difference
I have few more upgrades to get to 6.9kg including pedals, Roval seatpost, Lún Hyper R45 SE wheels, Dura Ace cassette and H31 cockpit. But the Prime wheels, around 1600g, should save almost 300g from a standard aluminium wheelset and improve the performance massively, especially in holding speed. Highly recommended for the price.
It’s clear you have a very close relationship with your bikes😂 keep these bikes turning, rim brakes are the best.
Always talking to them!
you dont need to listen to peoples opinion on what bike you should ride.. the best bike for you is really simple. the best bike you can ride. is the bike that you want to ride every single day.
Of course, still good conversation topic 😄
Federico how did you go with sizing for those Jersey . L or XL
This Core one is L, same as M4, J1 and J3 jackets. I go M for lightweight M2 and SRX jerseys
there's nothing wrong with your horse
stick to it
get along with it 👌
I love watching you talk yourself into a new purchase. That post you’re concerned about is a troll. You should delete his post and block him because he’s obviously full of shit. None of your bikes are ugly, and you can buy any damn thing you want 👍🏻
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Crusty the clown 😂
She will divorce you if you get disc brakes? Good wife, what a rock
She is from Rome as well, hard work LOL
The guy who made the comment doesn’t have a clue. People should Ride whatever they want and shouldn’t impose their own inability to resist desperate marketing on to others. 99% of us will barely notice any performance improvements switching from one carbon bike to another. We are not riding at the appropriate speeds.
Yes, apart from the fact I am riding at the appropriate speed 😂