What is Up with the Rorschach Test and is It Actually Valid
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I feel like your videos have been getting increasingly quieter or at some point a while ago just started being this quiet. Great stuff as always, thank you.
Two pigs with big ears flying about a uterus.
1:23 It is a chihuahua standing over water looking at its reflection.
F6knu
I saw a therapist when I was 9 for anxiety and losing my hair from stress, and I was given the inkblot test. I don't remember my answers, but I do recall the therapist being quiet for a while. I feared I had answered wrong. She then asked if I liked to come up with stories, and I told her how I was drawing storyboards for what I hoped would be a fantasy story about dragons. (I actually did write the book over a decade later.) She smiled like she was holding back a laugh, because I got really animated finally having a chance to tell someone about this and them not telling me I was stupid. She said, "I can tell you have a big imagination." I thought that was really nice of her to say, so I told my parents about it. My older brother replied, "You probably answered like a psychopath!" You gotta love brothers.
You should've proved your brother right by putting a blade in his neck. Lmao
Aww sweet story, she was well experienced therapist
Did you ever publish?
@@LaineyBug2020 I've just checked her channel. I do believe she writes fiction now!
Ah yes, my brother affectionately called me “douche nugget” at school every day in the hallways. On the other hand a boy was picking on me one day and my bro punched him right in the mouth ❤ No one picks on my bro/sis except for me, as they say 😅
Card two is clearly "Two bears high fiving".
Fuck now that’s all I see 😂
Fallout New Vegas moment lmao
Beat me to it.
FNV for the win!!
Aint that a kick in the head?
“What do you see?”
An ink spot.
“Now?”
An ink spot.
“Now?”
Another ink spot.
“Seems you have an obsession with ink spots”
You’re the one that brought them, from your house, and are obsessed with showing them to people.
😳Your not wrong 😏😂
Totally YEP! LOL
Diagnosis: Oppositional Defiiance Disorder
@@hutton40599 assuming op is an adult, no. There is a different term. And no, it wouldn't be. Some people's brains just aren't wired like that. They're nothing special. They're probably just like the people that don't "see" shapes in clouds. It's very typical, actually.
if this was your honest to god answer and it was clear you're not being deliberately uncooperative, it would show a severe lack of imagination and creative thinking that would probably point to some form of autism or even brain damage.
I could also see how someone's cultural background and life experience would make a huge impact on what they see.
More so if some with power over you give you an test you did not understand you will give answers you hope they like. If they offer an chance of an price much the same or random.
Most polls outside of an single question is BS as most just want to get away but then you got the crackpots who want to push an agenda like their father and mother was ran over by the train as toddlers :)
Anytime we use a language that happens.
The Rorschach simply invites paredolia
Not to mention how VISUAL a person is. Someone who is less visual may not see squat. I know perfectly normal folks who don't see anything in clouds or other sorts of things.
AMEN! And not only do cultures vary by geographic location but also by TIME. Like if the standards of imagery were set decades ago, then what would you do with a person responding "that looks like two people dabbing" or "that looks like the Mandalorian symbol"? LOL, I am literally seeing a red 'misspelled' line under 'Mandalorian' (there it is again), showing how new that word is. I mean, nowadays the eggplant means 'male genitalia' and a snowflake represents 'wokeism' and people don't even agree on what THAT means (nor does this spell checker recognize it as a word).
That’s the point
It also works amazing well in diagnosing if a person is blind or not
I find this statement to be highly convincing, especially when the respondent answers with things things like "Disneyland during a power outage." or "Magnificient forest with unicorns and elves on a moonless starless night" or "My basement with the lights off." Excellent work on your theroem from your reasoning to eventual conclusion. \m/
Not anywhere near as helpful in diagnosing deafness, I'm afraid.
@@MrChristianDT Sad to say, it's not a reliable pregnancy test either.
I mean if you're testing for a specific level of blindness, I would say this is actually ironically a decent medical take.
...and that is about all it can do.
My father was a psychologist in the US Army in the late 1950's and gave the Rorschach test to a catatonic soldier back from the Korean front. The subject finally responded to one of the cards with "Donuts, I see donuts". Finally getting the subject to open up, he discovered how US tankers handled the massive overrun technique the North Korean's used. They'd lock the tracks in opposite directions and spin the tanks like egg beaters, grinding the enemy troops apart with the treads. They called it "Doing Donuts", as one might do in their car. Extra bonus: Cleanup after ops, including pulling/washing fingers, eyeballs, ears and other body parts out of your machine's treads and such. Perhaps understandably, this kind of environment was beyond what the subject could bear.
gods. Poor bloke.
The forgotten war. Gosh the things your dad must have heard. Thanks for a quick look into the mind of a combat soldier. Peace to them in life and death.
Those poor soldiers! Horrible!
Dude... holy fuck...
Y'all better be talking about the American troops who were on the defensive and not the North Koreans who were the aggressors.
I couldn't imagine having to be one of those tankers...holy shit. That's bound to break a man
I think the big takeaway is that the test is way better at getting someone to open up than it is to actually figure out a problem based on what they see. If someone sees two elephants or a moth then that isn't going to really tell you much about them, but how they explain that can tell you a lot about how open they are and what they're like. And it also gives you a way to approach things less directly, right? You're not getting them to talk about themself, they're talking about the ink blots, so it could help them open up to the therapist more than they would otherwise.
That does seem to be the best use for the test. A way to start conversations and perhaps break walls. If it doesn't work, even that tells you something
Its useful for gauging a subject's current emotional state. But, you can give the same patient the same series of tests on different days, different times of the day, or repeat the same images throughout a session and get completely different responses. In that way, it can technically be used as a diagnostic tool.
It can be used as a trigger. For example, if a subject consistently sees 'dark' imagery, or is concerned about getting the 'right' answer, you can make a pretty solid guess that they suffer from anxiety. Depending upon consistent themes, such as a subject seeing violence or threats in all the images, you may want to investigate schizophrenia. Then, you have people who dont take it seriously and try to game the administrator; thats your classic psychopath.
@@springbloom5940 I think the last sentence in this kind-of does get at what I was saying though, right? Most of this stuff makes sense, but psycopathy is a fairly specific thing defined by a lack of empathy and a deluded sense of self-worth.
But... if you think about it... is anyone who tries to game the system or give joke responses actually a diagnosable psychopath...? What if someone just doesn't trust the test giver or what if they're just trying to be a troll, right? I'm not really sure you could judge the condition of someone's sense of self worth or their lack of empathy on them not taking the test seriously.
Like, for example, say someone looked at every blob and said "I see a superhero from Watchmen". You could interpret that as them suffering from a mental condition... or maybe they're just trying to be funny and they're just a comic book nerd using media they're familiar with to do a dumb bit? I'm not sure how easily you'd be able to tell for sure.
@@dethhollow agreed, but that could be said of almost all psychological tests, you can fake answers, fill in questionnaires wrong intentionally etc
@@LittleNayuh Honestly, yeah. You shouldn't put absolute faith in any of this stuff, right? People are complicated and it can be hard to tell the exact signs of a mental disorder for sure, but we can at least use what we can to make educated guesses and try to help however we can.
I also think that Rorschach himself would have refined the test and the blots used in the test and how it is administered if he had lived longer. The fact that he died so young and so soon after he created and published the Rorschach test makes me believe that it could have been further updated and refined and not just used as it was in areas it was never intended in the way it was first published. Also I believe that Rorschach never intended for the same 10 inkblots to be used forever and would have almost certainly "updated" the inkblots regularly to create a fresh set of blots every few years as to not contaminate the test.
I've always been told, anecdotally, that the inkblots were not about 'what you saw' and more about 'how you answered'. You could legitimately see anything in the blots, but it was the way you talked about them, your body language, cadence, vocabulary, the kinds of details you chose to focus on, etc, that actually made up what the test was paying attention to. The idea seemed to be that by giving the patient something concrete but abstract to focus on, their natural responses in other ways would be less guarded, more open to view by the examiner - meanwhile, the patient would be focused on the inkblot's content itself, whether in their own true interpretation of it, or in trying to manipulate their answer to 'get it right' in some fashion.
It's interesting to see how that wasn't entirely incorrect - that ultimately, the test is a more 'holistic' test, where everything from the response to the character of the reactions and other details and justifications matter. Fascinating. :)
Also, glad to see the top unpinned comment is about Two Bears High-Fiving. Can't unsee. :)
It's too subjective to be meaningful, especially at this point in the infancy of our understanding of the human brain
A psychologist did this test with me once. He gave me a minute with each image to list all I could see in it. He had a hard time keeping up with how fast and how many things I could see on them.
That's what you get when your patient spent most of their youth fascinated by monsters, aliens and spaceships.
Reminds me of the classic scene in the film Wilt.
Henry Wilt: A butterfly sitting on a Geranium.
Psychologist: You don't think for instance it looks like a woman lying in a pool of blood?
Henry Wilt: Of course I think it looks like a woman lying in a pool of blood but I'm hardly going to tell you that, I'm up on a murder charge.
A guy goes to see a psychiatrist, who gives him The Rorschach Tests. Every one he sees he says reminds him of a sex act. The psychiatrist asks him why, he replies, " It's not my fault, you're the one showing me pornographic pictures! "
Same joke in 'What About Bob' movie comedy.
That's an old one.😁
An oldie but goodie!
knee slapper
One thing I must say, though: you never ask “what do you see” when giving the test. The correct question is “what could this be?” The assumption being that the word “see” might influence the subject unduly.
Just thought I’d point that out, since my professors drilled it into me when I was learning how to use it 😅
Yes. the first question would send me very literal. That's a paint splodge. Yep, so's that. That one, too. Another paint splodge.... etc
@@Bethgael you’d be encouraged to think of other things it might be, since it’s of course a paint blob of sorts :) Not being able to think of anything else would either mean opposition or a mental illness where imagination was impaired…
This is to say that, whatever your answers, some inferences can always be drawn!
There is also a problem with the question "what could this be" my immediate response to that would be a piece of paper you spilt ink/paint on. A 3yr old's attempt at painting. Awful modern art. One of those inkblot test pictures. etc.
Mind you if you asked me what I see, my answer would be basically the same but starting with "a person holding..."
But then I have generally be accused of being too literal.
@@eleanor.shadow Sure. They'd say I was being defiant. At which point, I'd say, well ask the fekking question properly then.
bt, dt. ;)
@@serenitygoodwyn ah but you see, that would still yield some possible interesting results, response-wise. I don’t remember what the protocol is for “too literal an answer” but I’m sure you wouldn’t be the first to offer such a reply 😬
My ex-wife is bipolar. I could totally see her faking this test if she knew it was a test to begin with. However, if she saw these pictures while manic and didn't know it was a test, I could definitely see her thinking some really weird things about these photos. When she's manic she attributes all kinds of meaning to things that mean nothing. She also sees faces of people she knows in everything. This is just based on my experience.
I experience bipolar, and have experienced similar reactions with different interfaces when up or down.
You can't really fake this test, since there are no right or wrong answers. You might, however, find out whether the subject is trying to use "safe replies" to avoid sounding weird...
There is no right answer. There is literally no way to "pass" this test. Or fail it for that matter
@@mandiemoore3272 BUT you can spoof it
@@eleanor.shadow Then what is the point of it? If they're looking for information, you can fake the information they get. If they aren't looking for information, why are you paying them
As a kid in the 80s, I was subjected to this test by my school's psychiatrist. It's a core memory because it was the only time I seemed to make this dude happy. He always had a stern look on his face, but he lit up at one of my answers because he had never heard anyone say that before.
The very nature of it's subjectivity strikes me as being damning enough to discount it as a useful diagnostic tool.
Fear of something is subjective but informs you about the subject. All perception is subjective, especially involving emotion.
Many would argue that the entire field of Psychology, and Psychoanalysis, is subjective and thus should be discarded.
@@barrow_3490 - No, they’re right… it’s entirely subjective. The matrix of the mind makes it so. The brain automatically fills in the blanks to make a pattern of some sort, and life experience and culture will influence heavily upon what ‘blanks’ are filled in with. A video gamer may see images that would be deemed horrifying otherwise, but is common in the games they play, and so on. It’s the same phenomenon with cloud animals, etc.
There are always a LOT of variables that lead to the answers given, and there’s no quantifiable evidence that those answers (even if not appearing ‘ideal’ to the test provider) are due to any inherent mental/emotional defect. It’s _all_ subjective because it depends far too heavily on random things that go through the person’s thoughts. It is a pseudo science.
@@SevCaswell my invisible friend agrees
@@sisterspooky Says the person CLEARLY too hung up on morality, idealism, and pseudo-religious zealotry to have paid even 5 damn minutes' worth of attention to the video...
The answers are subjective, and rated or scored such that they mostly exhibit the PATTERNS of thought, or whether those patterns exist in a defensible or explainable manner... NOT that they're particularly "good" or "evil". While bad actors DO exist in Psychology, they exist in every branch and sector of business as well as the medical sector, TOO... You're not going to get away from that.
SO it's subjective... Doesn't make it useless OR a pseudo-science. Grow up. To quote the vid' "Used properly by a trained professional, the OVERWHELMING evidence suggests it's very reliable at indicating someone suffering psychosis or among the psychotic cluster of disorders known as schizophrenia." That's NOT psuedo-science, because IT WORKS... It's only ONE tool, though... ONE useful guide among the MANY tools in a proper clinician's or Psychiatrist's "toolbox".
It's childish and STUPID to want to delineate patients of ANY kind to a set of numbers. Doctors worth their salt TREAT THE PATIENT AND NOT JUST THE NUMBERS.
...or didn't you learn that in YOUR medical internships or residency??? ;o)
Back in the day for my armed security job I had to do a full Rorschach test, with a forensic psychologist. As soon as I saw the first picture in the video, I saw a demon with wings... Same thing I saw years ago in the official test for my job. As soon as I said that to the psychologist, I panicked and clarified that I play a video game called Diablo and in my mind, the demon in the picture is from that game lmao. In the moment I thought that was going to cost me my job, but it was cool.
😁 I used to give Rorschach test, and that is a good response, but a fantasy creature gets a different score from a real one. It probably wouldn't have mattered one way or another in the end (with few exceptions, one response isn't going to tip the scale), but in certain personality types, fantasy creatures/people are more likely than real-world creatures/people.
I see the head of a dragon facing me with that one.
OMG, that was my reaction to the first card. Initially, I described it as an angel then switched to "really, more of a demon", as I described it more. I wonder what that means?
it's clearly a mangled butterfly. clearly
Me too haha. I also play videogames, so I think that’s why. I see a big woman with a weird head wearing a trench coat with a belt and her hands are raised. She has demonic wings with holes in them.
I remember when I was a teenager my sister and I were looking at a book with Rorschach inkblots and saying what we thought they meant. My mother came over to see and kept saying, “they don’t look like anything!” She got pretty worked up over it. I have often wondered what that said about her.
She sounds normal. They don't look like anything. People try to find meaning bc they think that's part of the test. They think you're supposed to see something bc they've been told it reveals something about your inner self. It's a "snakeoil salespitch". Your mom saw through it immediately. Good for her.
Actually they DO look “like” things. The human mind is pre programmed to find patterns and pictures in “noise” We see images in clouds or the swirl of oil in a puddle. Pattern and particularly facial recognition is a very basic human trait and is why we see faces in electrical sockets . I’m curious why your mother reacted in that way tho. Certainly sounds like she might have had a negative experience or maybe she really couldn’t see anything in the images which may have scared her a bit.
I'm the same - I don't see anything in these other than ink blots. But it's the same about all sorts of "patterns" - like, people tend to see images in patterns on wood or stone and what not. I was never able to - I just see these things at face value.
My favorite scene from Flowers for Algernon sounds very similar to you and your sister's experience :-)
She has a very limited imagination.
The only time the Rorschach test was validly used was when the courier got shot in the head outside of Goodsprings.
Always look out for the man in the checkered suit.
Two bears high fiveing!
I'm too embarassed to say what it is.
I'm an occasional Wikipedia contributor and a former administrator at English Wikipedia (things have been quiet, see). I remember reading about the controversy about including the Rorschach plates in Wikipedia, and I frankly didn't expect it to be mentioned elsewhere. It was one of the many, many, many storms in the teacup in the history of the site.
Ahh one of the ones that help politicise, curate and censor
@@kremepye3613 nah, I became an administrator because I wanted to be in the janitorial side. The deletion process is open to the established community members who can present arguments based on community standards. Administrators just close the discussions and, ultimately, execute the will of the people. I grew tired of that - while the rules have been streamlined, I'm no fan of bureaucracy. Most of my time as an admin I just deleted Speedy Deletion stuff - material that's pretty much uncontroversially subpar (blank/test pages, obvious spam/copyright violations, brief articles with no sources to back up relevance, etc). And also Deletion Recovery stuff - people wanted to see deleted versions, which I'd be more than happy to provide for any reason.
@@kremepye3613 whaaaat? You mean those ppl have an agenda? Hard to believe cuz it all seems so objectively written 😏
@@yesterdaysrose5446 To balance out the moron I'd like to say thanks for volunteering. I've spent time contributing and it is satisfying, but also tiring and time consuming. Between the editing, sorting, organizing and dealing with others it's basically a job.
And ignorant people like this guy just make me facepalm
you speak too much
I had this test when I was 10 or 11. I think it would be interesting to retake it and compare it to my previous test now that I'm 55 years older. The similarities and the differences would both be fascinating to see.
Just look the blots up on the interweb for yourself, itll be the same subjective pseudo bs either way.
I am not sure there would be much difference. Once the mind sees something, it tends to lock in on that - which is why people say they cannot "unremember" things.
As a child I went to a few therapists, one of them had me do a Rorshach test, and I remember asking him "Is this really helpful?" because it felt a bit shammy to me, even as a 9 year old. So I'm looking forward to this video to finally be educated about this.
Did any of the therapists explain it to you?
@@frankieamsden7918 I honestly can't remember what he said to me. I know he didnt explain it, I think he said something along the lines of "It can be helpful" after I asked what was up with it.
It's also kind of important to know whether the test subject is an artist or fan of art. Could be that some part of an image would remind them of some other piece of art and they go on to describe that instead.
When I was working on my PhD in philosophy and religion, a person who was doing her PhD in psychology asked if I would allow her to run the test on me for class. I consented. We did the test and turned in her findings. Her professor, after reading the paper and results pulled the student aside to ask if I was receiving treatment for mental illness. She assured the professor that I was in psychiatric treatment and taking medication. I've been on meds since 1988 and did the test with her in 2004. It always fascinated me that the teacher showed her level of concern for me over the girl's work and observations.
Sometimes all we need, as sufferers of mental illness[es], is a reminder that someone gives a shit. It makes a huge difference. Plus, our "faith in humanity" score goes up a few points. Then, of course, we leave the house, and the score resets to zero.
@@LJO_Hurts_Pianos wonderfully put.
@@LJO_Hurts_Pianos I have that experience every 15 minutes or so at work without even leaving my cash register....
@@brandongaines1731 My first "real" job was as a cashier at a clothing store, so I can empathize 11,000%. Plus or minus, like, 2%.
I had this test when I was a kid/teen and it scared me so much- I lied and answered what I thought other people would’ve answered not what I really saw.
I sometimes took too long on them to the point I actually forgotten what I was thinking about
I went through this test when I was around 10 or 11, and I think I scared the woman who gave me the test because I went into excruciating detail about what I was seeing.
Same. Whenever I was given a random weird test as a kid I just assumed it to be an aptitude/ability test and just gave the answers I thought they expected in hopes I was "normal". I was terrified at the thought of being abnormal or having a mental illness.
I remember doing them as a kid. At one point I thought the lady was going to tilt her head like a spaniel.
I remember saying something like, "You drew it! It's beautiful, Can you tell me about your drawing?"
Lmao. I had heard my teacher say this when one of my classmates brought up a drawing that didn't make sense.
I was just trying to navigate a awkward social situation without hurting this lady's feelings. Smh. I was just so clueless.
I had a boss who got on a "let's get to know our teammates" kinda bender at one point and insisted we all take different personality tests all the time -- like every other day there was a new one... it was a bit of a nuisance and cut into our work, so several of us decided to be a little "overly creative" with our responses when she dropped Rorschach tests on us. From the wide-eyed look of sheer panic on her face the next day, and knowing some of my coworkers, I'd wager we prolly went a bit overboard... but she never bothered us with personality tests anymore after that. So... win! ^_^
In the early 2000s, I was passed over for the gifted class at school as a 6yr old because I didn’t “pass” an ink blot test. I ended up becoming an artist later
That has to be the stupidest criteria for judging giftedness I’ve ever heard of. Whoever came up with that didn’t know what they were doing and were either incompetent or ignorant, or both. Glad you were able to find what you loved doing regardless.
Melody, what did that ink blot looked like to you?
clearly the examiner wasn't gifted with common sense lol
@@tturi2 common sense is a misnomer.
I failed my gifted test for answering the question "who was Johnny Appleseed" too literally (I gave his real name, I had read a whole book about him). Later found out I'm autistic and my IQ is high enough to be in Mensa
Here's the issue with the Rorschach blots: Even for those purposes for which they might have some diagnostic utility, there are innumerable other instruments that have greater sensitivity, greater specificity, greater objectivity in scoring, greater reliability in interpretation and fewer demands on the evaluator in administration. That said, why would anyone want to use these at all?
Intriguing creativity exercises for art class?
Amen.
@arielsalinger-kraft6197 such was not one of the objectives by these snake oil "psychologists "
I fully agree. There is little reason to use it today. The thing that bothers me most though is that all the pseudoscientific uses of similar tests still get called Rorschach tests despite how far derived they are from the original. I think Rorschach gets a worse reputation than he deserves, as his work was very scientifically done. Although there are more effective tools to diagnose the things Rorschach intended it to diagnose, that doesn't mean that his idea was invalid and that his methodology of testing and refining his test was fundamentally flawed. It just isn't as good as he hoped it would be.
The rorscach image 2, the one with the red blobs, is obviously the death of Goose in Top Gun. The white area in the middle is the F14 they were in as it sinks, the black area is the dark waters, and the red is the blood of Goose. How did he know about the movie long before it was made is my question...
He was a time traveler. He hated the movie as he felt that man would never fight in the air.
Spoilers
The scoring actually does take into account things like this - referencing recent popular media, making it about an experience you have had the administrator may not have had...
I remember when the movie "The Watchmen" came out. Rorschach's face costume is still awesome.
I dressed up as him for Halloween one year, right down to having a working mask and carrying a journal with his entries in it. Got beat out in a costume contest by some guy in a store bought costume.
Agreed. I loved how the pattern on his mask kept changing
I'd be the one to start doodling on the card, using it as a base, while coming up with a story for everything going on in it.
As a holder of a degree in psychology, the scientific studies in the sub-field of psychoanalysis is tremendously and very surprisingly fascinating.
It's a pseudo science.
@@fightingtosurvive6527 - Amein!!! 🙌
@@fightingtosurvive6527 Well, you're saying that as an armchair expert. Scientific studies don't qualify things as 'science or not science' and 'cause and effect' is not the criteria to 'science'. As a matter a fact 'cause and effect science' is but a very minute part of science and most scientific studies work on the basis of correlation. Amongst the the most important criteria that determine whether a study is 'scientific' or not is peer review (that allows your peers to see the study methods used - must use a recognized study method). The Rorschach is one such tool.
@@TeamOT lol that's not what we learn in my psych degree, we learn psychoanalysis WAS pseudoscientific with poor evidence to back it up 🤷♀️ you speak like an 'armchair expert' yourself mate
@@fightingtosurvive6527 I’m not sure why you watched this video if you view this as pseudo science but, I understand that that’s your opinion and you have a right to one.
I disagree with it because since I find psychology and psychoanalysis fascinating, a lot of it does teach everyone how people think.
I had to do a Rorschach test when I was 22, and I was highly sceptical. The psychologist didn’t seem to appreciate that. He also asked me about my dreams, and I don’t mean dreams of the future, I mean actual night dreams 😭 This was in 2016!
My dreams have come up in therapy, and I didn't complain. I mean, I was having panic attacks and seizures when I hit REM, so it was actually applicable to treating my panic disorder and C-PTSD that was being exaggerated by organ failure and brain damage. Not helpful for most people, though, no. 😂
...Well, helpful in the way that I now just take a bunch of prescription sedatives and anti-anxiety meds before I pass out. Problem solved?
@@Nylak-OtterYou have actual medical issues. There's some validity to the questions. Most of the time it's all bullcrap from con artist.
I talk about my dreams in therapy. I have hyper-realistic dreams that coincide with my combat PTSD and childhood related traumas giving me night terrors. My daily anxiety is also through the roof (which directly coincides with dreams). Dreams are your subconscious getting up to stuff and trying to compartmentalize and micromanage. There's a reason happy/carefree people with little to no traumas don't dream... There's no reason for them to. They can just enjoy sleep and rest.
@@margauxf4321 i also have weird realistic dreams but they don’t really have anything to do with any mental issues, in my case. I should also say that he was heavily into Freudian psychoanalysis and wanted to do dream interpretation. I wasn’t even there for anything serious, just a psych evaluation
When you said Alfred Binet, I thought you said Alfred Bidet, and was expecting him to be the inventor of the toilet fountain.
Lol
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lol
Back in the 70’s anyone caught smoking weed in school had to take one of these tests…you can imagine the answers that were given..🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why?
What did they have to do if they were caught using LSD?
LOL. Soooo how to traumatize a therapist.
At this point, I’m likely to respond to the test like “ this is slide __ of the standard Rorschach test, the mother card. Most people see a necklace, but I see a mirrored caterpillar and remember when the preschool show “Mrs. Spider’s Garden” approximately appeared briefly on my middle school’s closed circuit television showing a bug sliding down a playground slide and featuring the caption “ this is what mommy is” likely in reference to birth”
You would likely be scored as having SOME thought disorder or amother.
Aparently, allegedly.
@@LJO_Hurts_Pianos No, seeing a caterpillar is a pretty common response to that one. It would show up normal. Also the scoring is based on patterns of responses, not just one.
At this point, I feel like Simon needs to do a Simon reaction channel where he just watches old videos of his and attempts to see how much he remembers
Yes it can. First of all the answers don't really matter, but the manner of the person expressing what they see (or even their uncooperation).
Attention deficit, fixation etc all come out it too. Dementia too.
What people report seeing is really just a foot in the door to get them talking.
Finally a reasonable explanation. It's meaningless - except nothing is TRULY meaningless if you are subjective and attributive enough.
Exner actually went to school at Trinity University in San Antonio, where I got my MA in school psychology. They were obsessed with it there because of the link to the school. In our emotional/behavioral assessment class, that was basically all we were taught. 15 years later, I have never used it in an assessment of a student. It is fairly well standardized and it gives valuable info. However, it is much, much, much more difficult to administer and complicated to score than other standardized behavior scales. Basically, I can get equally useful information much more easily through rating scales completed by the student, teachers, and parents. And I would still have to do the rating scales even if I administered the Rorschach.
It has also changed a lot in the last 15 years in terms of scoring.
Apollo 11 Command Module Pilot Mike Collins had quite a sense of humor. While being examined for the second group of NASA astronauts he was given a psychological test consisting of interpreting a series of ink blots, the last of which was a blank sheet of paper. He said it looked like "eleven polar bears fornicating in a snow bank." He was rejected but was chosen for the third group after giving a more acceptable answer.
LOL that's probably one of the most marine answers ever. My friend while in the marines said his boy friend was given the test He just said each one looked like jiz stains. The therapist didn't want to see him again.
This test is so ridiculous. It was used to test creativity in children, but psychologists say whether or not a person's responses are appropriate or not. Isn't that what creativity is? If a doctor ever pulled these out at one of my appointments, I would politely thank them and walk out.
I was hospitalized for depression in 1986 and was surprised that one of the many tests they administered was the Rorschach. After it was all said and done he told me that he thought there was much more going on with me than I was telling my therapist. That was true but I couldn't help but wonder if that's true of almost anyone who's just started seeking help. I have no clue what my actual results were or why he chose to tell me that.
I recently started reading "The Body Keeps the Score" by Van Der Kolk who describes their experience with war veterans in the first little bit. They noticed a pattern of vets with PTSD having normal reactions to the first card, then all of them having adverse reactions to the second card including full blown panic attacks and reliving memories.
The second card is the first one with colour being a black and red card and most people with those adverse reactions later said that the cards showed their friends bodies blown apart by grenades or the headless corpse of their comrade who just got shot beside them.
I can understand people being skeptical and thinking this is more subjective than it is. However, it is hard not to see that there is something to this when there is such a pattern.
I can totally relate... I also read a book once.. and it also had something to do with people and other stuff
A part of me always wanted to take this test if for nothing else than to see what I come up with on the spot because I have learned that I tend to forget anything that I have rehearsed when put under pressure and thus have to wing it.
I also mixed this with my mother’s fascination with fortune telling and tarot readings and my own interest in Yugioh to create the very much pseudo science of “Duel Psychology” where I take the contents of a person’s casual/personal deck and read back their personality. In truth it’s nothing more than a parlor trick like most fortune telling routines and personality tests, but I am still surprised at how people react to the routine, especially if I apply it during a duel to make educated guesses on their next play. It can really throw them off their game if they think they are an open book. At least the less experienced opponents as the more competitive ones are able to tell if it matters or not that I know what card they plan to play.
It’s fun to do, but is obviously not a serious thing. I only took one semester of of psychology back in High School, read some books my mom got me on living with autism as an adult and her lessons on fortune telling and such. It would be interesting if someone with a proper education in the field could make something out of it, but I seriously doubt it.
The pseudo science of "Duel Psychology" is given extra layers if you're familiar with the anime or manga that features those decks. If you know the characters that use them, it could provide more ideas for interpretation.
I honestly have no problem with people knowing my next move. It means you're more likely to have a counter-strategy, but that also depends on your field and the cards in your hand. I'm sure most of my opponents have an idea of how my deck works and what my moves are likely to be. It doesn't always help them to know that. It's worth mentioning I'm more of a casual so I'm not at the level of a competitive player.
I really like the concept of Duel Psychology as a pseudoscience. It seems like something I'd come up with since I grew up with the anime in the franchise and the card game and have a huge attachment to both.
Overall, while not a serious thing, it's pretty interesting to think about what my deck could say about me.
I’m a psychologist trained in administering and scoring the Rorschach. First, I thought your explanation of the test, it’s development, and useful was a really good summary. While there has been much controversy regarding this test, well-trained and experienced examiners can obtain valuable information from it. It’s a tool in our diagnostic “toolbox” and helps us better understand our clients. Thanks for the thoughtful and fair presentation.
Baloney. A completely subjective mess. I'm surprised to hear the test is still in use.
@@vickislominski7618 Go listen to something else. I suggest SSSLLLAAAAAYYEERRRR!
So what does it mean when I can't see anything more than random ink blots
As a psychologist myself, I hope you're not a psychologist
@@YourDadsBoyfriendright! Me too, they look like inkbot cards to me lol
It always seemed to me that giving a projective test to a patient was always resulting in the patient becoming a projective test given to the therapist.
Kind of like Charles Bronson in "The Dirty Dozen".
I just spotted an article on the Rorschach Test and thought I’d look on RUclips for a handy little doc …& today I found the friendly beard of Simon to tell me all about it! 😂❤😊 … Great stuff.
I was given that test at age 12 by a therapist who was completely unqualified to work with children & had no idea what to do with me so that's what she did. She sure didn't take 1.5hrs to do it tho, more like 45min. She never did go over my results, she just said that I seemed 'frustrated'....yeah, no sh*t, frustrated with HER LOL!
sounds like the psychologist that subjected me to it (and a bunch of other tests) when I was 10. Ended up telling my parents that I was "problematic", "socially inept", and had "learning problems".
What they should have told my parents, that I am autistic and probably have ADHD, was never uttered because of the massive stigmas surrounding those diagnoses at the time (autism was blamed on "poor parenting" and "bad teachers" for example).
it weird that Hermann Rorschach look so much like Brad Pitt.
came to say exactly this omg
yeah 100%. particularly the character he played in inglorious bastards
I also came here to say this.
shrink: what does this look like?
patient: sex.
shrink: and this one?
patient: sex.
shrink: how about this one?
patient: sex.
shrink: you have an obsession with sex.
patient: i do? you're the one with all the dirty pictures!
I feel like your videos have been getting increasingly quieter or at some point a while ago just started being this quiet. Great stuff as always, thank you.
The sound is to low I have to turn it up all the way then went ads come on the sound blast. I do enjoy all your pages , and sound is better on them. thanks
This test is similar to a lie detector machine. It proves whatever the person administering it WANTS to prove about the patient.
This^ it's at best sudoscience. a nebulous jack pulock on a card. I saw 2 lunatics both tried to give the test. I walked out on both. One person didn't diagnos me but was happy to try to charge 400 for the 5-10 minutes I was in hisoffice. the other person claimed I was sociapathic presenting defience disorders. None of that is true.
Ah yes the ink blot test first time I ever seen it was in Fallout: New Vegas as far as I can remember...
Before clicking the video and simply seeing the thumbnail..
I instantly see the creator, spreading large black wings and hands raised overhead, fingers gesturing just over the horns of his head.
His feet are together and he's in a robe and you can see the belt and buckle in the middle.
It was instant in my brain.
Even "The Beverly Hillbillies" parodied the Rorschach Test: Jethro was given the test, producing answers like ham hocks, collard greens, fat back, and other rural Appalachian fare, causing the shrink to declare the large lad insane. Later on, Jed and Granny find the cards and, looking through them, come up with the same answers...perhaps in a parallel criticism of "The Bell Jar," as well.
I just usually see a whole lot of bats, birds and butterflies.
For the test to have validity the recipient needs to literally be a verbal stream of consciousness immediately after seeing the image, and the administrator has to be diligent in keeping you speaking before you can think, if the recipient doesn't immediately react. Those conditions can be hard to meet when the situation matters. It's not so much what you see in the test. It's the steps your brain takes to see what you saw that has the most relevance. since the recipient likely has incentive to lie, it's critical they react immediately for the test to mean anything.
Not exactly, since you’re supposed to prompt the subject once they stop talking. “Anything else?” is a valid question (“what do you see” isn’t). The words they use are important, though: saying you see smoke can mean one thing, but if you say you see smoke coming out of something, then you have to add the notion of movement to the answer and interpret it with that extra information.
Gah, I still remember the headache this test was to score!
@@eleanor.shadow God that sounds ridiculous. Might as well be reading horoscopes.
@@paddington1670 it’s not that simplistic exactly, but yes, highly subject to interpretation - which is why it’s not thought of as a reliable means of testing anything nowadays.
Still, it’s interesting to note how Rorschach managed to zone in on certain aspects of the brain, by inferring the commonalities in the replies of people with certain mental ailments… going from the particular to the general, but still getting somewhere is interesting to me.
I think that it definitely shouldn't be used as a definitive test by any psychiatrist or psychologist, but as just PART of getting a "snapshot" of the person's background, their verbal level, education & experiences as well as their creativity. For instance a middle class person in India isn't going to give many responses just like a lower class person in Mexico. Cultural & religious teachings, whether or not they have to scramble to make ends meet, how far they were able to go in school or independent study, whether they lived through a traumatic event recently or in the far past, etc all affect our viewpoints & ability to engage with the outside world. Their responses can help with choosing the best approach to diving deep, which of course is what every person being analyzed should get. No shortcuts!
Unfortunately in my city there was a case several years ago where a psychiatrist made a bad mistake because they only had 1 visit with a patient & decided a diagnosis, prescribed a medicine & ended up causing her to go psychotic. She committed a terrible crime in a public place, & not in a quick way because she didn't have access to a gun. Let's just say it was so bad that not only will she never get over what happened, her entire family can't ever recover & the people that discovered the crime & the cops that came were all traumatized too. Bad things can happen in this world, but what happened in that gas station bathroom is something that never should've happened. She wasn't a bad person & once she was properly diagnosed & medicated she was so distraught that understandably she wanted to kill herself. Yeah fully sane she wanted to die because she felt there could be no redemption for her, regardless of the fact that she was psychotic due to the meds. You really have to be careful with diagnosing mental issues. That doctor meant well & was trying to help the patient as frugally as possible because of circumstances in her life, but he didn't get enough background & didn't fully explain to her that if she suddenly had bad/weird thoughts, worsening depression, or her feeling of being persecuted by a single person (valid) turned into something bigger then it was likely she was having side effects because that wasn't the right medication for her & it would be dangerous to not go straight back to the doctor regardless of her finances at the time.
Turn your output up please, I had to double the volume for the video, which is crazy too then hear RUclips’s unexpected ads blasting.
What I could never understand about the Rorschach Tests is how they got the images to move. The psychiatrists would never explain it to me, just usually left the room quickly to fetch security. Much the same response I got when I asked them when we were going to get on to tortoises in the desert, because I was really looking forward to that part.
😂😂😂
Well, why didn't you help it?
I can see a significant issue with using the test on top members of the nazi party, the fact they are so well known for their role within the nazi party influences the opinions of the people giving the test, which we see with the first interpretation, as it fits with the idea of nazis all being psychotic, rather than the reality that most were motivated by greed, belief that they were doing good or simply wanting to survive or some other equally mundane excuse.
They did evil things no doubt, but to say it was all psychosis is an insult and a disservice to those dealing with genuine cases of psychosis or other mental health disorders
Additionally, using it for situations it isn't intended for is harming its ability to assist in accurate diagnosis of individuals, which is symptomatic of mental health science in general, a good idea comes along and barely functioning morons think it can be used as a magic wand on everything. :(
I spent an entire semester learning how to administer, score, and interpret this test when getting my doctorate in clinical psychology. I was told over and over by my professor that it was an essential tool in conducting psychological testing batteries and convinced me to spend $150 on my own set of cards! I have not given it once because it just isn’t generally seen as a robust test, at least here in the US, for the many reliability and validity concerns you mentioned. Worst $150 I ever spent
I'm proud of you!
It has been a while last time I checked your video (sorry 🙇) and your beard is now really impressive 👏👏👏
I personally never have the will to carry on and my wife did not like it 😂
I have a friend that took a security position at a nuclear power facility in the early 2000's. He had to take the test as a prerequisite
LOL, i imagine you get a cast of characters in the nuclear energy fields. At least if my brothers friend that went into nuclear science was a indication. everything was "fucking this" and "fuck". and everyone was "that motherfucker, fucking...". Brilliant guy with a high IQ, that was always stoned. I haven't heard from him in decades. At that time he was did orbit and collision control, plus regular maintenance. I don't think anyone sane would let him into a room that could do anything with the fuel rods though.
Rorschach is Brad Pitts' long-lost secret twin brother.
I didn't remember being given one of these test in grade school until I watched this and saw the images... then the whole test session came rushing back... it was like an entire day answering all kinds of questions and just talking with people. The two things I remember vividly were flash cards, one was a citrus fruit missing it's seeds and the other was a wrist watch without hands... not sure what it was all about but wow, it's amazing how one thing can trigger such a memory.
@1:15 I see 'The Mothman'. Honestly, first thing that came to mind. 🤣
If there was a movie about the real life of Rorschach himself what actor would play them? If there are several that would work out the director and staff should administer the Rorschach test to see who is closest in character/temperament to Rorschach himself. Would that work or be practical?
Brad Pitt
I was thinking that he looked a lot like Brad Pitt.
Brad…it’s definitely Brad Pitt.
Hold on….was that a test? 😂
I was given this test a number of times when I was a kid in the Sixties and Seventies.
I don’t think I ever considered how the images effected me , all I was concerned with was not letting them in.
I concentrated on giving the most innocuous descriptions I could envision.
Might not have been the best way to go 😐
See, that’s exactly what I’d do. I was a contrary little cow. Lol.
In my experience, this guarding is not a good sign.
Finally answered the question in my head on the last point. The whole time I'm thinking "I've seen some of these before described by other people." Surely that had an impact on results.
Interesting. Good one
Considering the vast quantity of content Simon's uploaded, sampling it and creating an AI to replace him would be relatively trivial. Then Danny and Kevin could escape the basement and simply feed their scripts to the AI, removing the middleman, Simon's physical office expenses and pocketing the difference. I'd say it's just a matter of time.
How about no
The inability to do weird asides would give the AI away immediately.
Don't do that.
This reminds me of an old joke. A psychiatrist gives a man a Rorschach test. He responses with "a man and a woman kissing . . . a man and woman hugging" and all kinds of intimate acts.
"You seem to be obsessed with sex"
"ME? You're the one with the dirty pictures!"
I see now, and have always seen a Rorschach inkblot test. I can however assist my imagination utilizing an amorphous shape to see many things depending on what's recessed inbetween my short term and long term memory blocks
That was very interesting! I didn't know any of the history of the Rorschach though I do remember them being used to evaluate when I was a child, a teen and as an adult with a TBI. Very, very interesting. I think, though, a fundamental problem with the tests is that they were given a standard based on a single European culture and race. The standard also appears to have been determined based on a specific socioeconomic class within that culture and race. I don't think anyone developing these ever considered their potential invalidity when testing persons outside their immediate circumstances and clearly never considered possible variations in responses from individuals of low socioeconomic position in society. As very interesting as the Rorschach is, I don't consider it a truly valid tool outside White, middle to upper class individuals in Europe or of distinctly European background such as with people descended from the colonists in the US or other regions of the world. Perhaps if Rorschach tests could be given a series of relevant cultural and racial standards outside the original racial, cultural and socioeconomic group it was developed in, it could be used as a valid tool with limited scope. Perhaps.
The sound is quieter than his other channels on here. It's slightly frustrating because I enjoy these channels
I don’t hear it.
I think you just need to turn up the volume. It’s no different to me
No you’re right. It’s much quieter and has been awhile. I hope they fix it soon
It takes less time to turn your volume up than to write that comment
@@lordshaxx2165 How nice of you to suggest but it can be an inconvenience for more reasons than that. Thanks tho helpful friend.
During my divorce and custody battle in 2001, I had to take this test. Well, the results were not valid, as I'm an artist, graphic designer, and illustrator, and the test for some creative jobs invalidates the test. This pissed my X off, of course!!! I did take the other tests, and everything was great, but just the Rorschach test was off. Luckily my Pshychologic testified and knew why the results were off, due to my work and hobby. My job goes from being highly detailed, and problem-solving to creative and technical. I see things that others may not, ie what's in clouds or shapes, color variations that are just slightly off, Balance in form and color and it goes on...
Why would this be used in a custody battle? 😳 Genuinely curious, since I can’t fathom a reason…
@@eleanor.shadow Who knows??? Guess my x thought I was crazy : }. Proved him wrong!!! He was the crazy one. That was over 20 years ago, so things have changed thankfully.
@@dhp7799 huh. I get your ex wanting to prove a point, but the court accepting it as an effective means of diagnosis of anything is what is baffling to me 😅 Glad it didn’t go anywhere, though! 🤓
I've taken the Rorschach Test several times in my life, starting at the age of 7. Back then I saw a big bear in one image. Later on when I was a psych major in college, I started seeing the Space Needle in one image. That was due to a visit to Seattle the Summer before I took the course on psychological tests. I had and still have family who live in the Seattle area.
Also, going by Simon's suggestions, I'm pretty sure the image that was supposed to be at the start of the video was the one you see at 8:22 instead of the one they posted.
Rorschach is the original Brad Pitt
Going down the comments I was starting to think I was the only one. I see it too.
I came looking for this too haha. They have similar facial features.
8:33 Anyone else see two moles giving each other a high five while spilling their drinks?
Well... now I can’t unsee it
I see two yard gnomes high-fiving.
I liked the wilt alternative's (tom sharpe) approach to the test!!
WOW! I had nearly the same answer as Hess when I had psychologist administered test. I didn't have an immediate picture in my mind from one of the cards. The doc noticed and questioned me. I said that there was not an immediate image when I saw it, then my eyes were drawn to a little cross in it, then expanding my focus out from that point the next thing i saw was part of an insect, but that was only while looking at the inner 2/3ish. Then I said for the thing as a whole, idk.. a mask. I'm not speaking on behalf of Hess, but I got a clean bill of mental health from the doc afterwards.
The test is still very easy to figure out, even if you don't have all the answers on the internet like today. Many people would likely alter their answers to what they think is typical instead of what they're actually seeing.
Hi! Psych student here. What you're saying is true, but the way the person says their answer will determine the interpretation. A bat, a black bat, a black flying bat, and a black gliding bat are very different answers, and each gives very specific cues as to what's happening with the subject.
@@claudiatinapp5351 I'm sincerely curious: How would you interpret each of those descriptors? If you need a subject, let's say Simon is the one who gave them.
(I love reading about linguistic and semantic subtleties, and I agree with your statement. I'm requesting an interpretation for more insight, not because i don't believe you)
@@LJO_Hurts_Pianos Hi! You have to considerate the way this test is interpreted, first tabulating, then making a little summary in a structural summary (which involves quite a bit of math) and then interpreting. For the tabulation, I'll take those same examples I gave: a bat (F (pure form)), a black bat (FC (form as primary and color as secondary)), a black flying bat (FC. FMa (form and color, active animal movement)), a black gliding bat (FC. FMp (form and color, passive animal movement)). As you can see, each of these answers has a different tabulation, and each acronym has a meaning. I don't want to spoil much, as I don't want to ruin a possible future test you might take, but color is related to emotion, animal movement with needs, etc. This is also why you can't make interpretations out of an incomplete rorschach test, you need every single answer the person gave in order to analyze it properly. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask c:
@@claudiatinapp5351 Hello! Thank you SO much for the detail. I do not intend to take -- nor do I foresee being administered -- this test at any point in the future, so in my case you're not overstepping a boundary. I may end up seeing a neuropsychologist / neuropsychiatrist in the future due to some expressive (spoken) language deficits that seem to be a side effect of a medication I am currently taking (I have multiple psychiatric issues treated by a pile of medication) and have been adversely impacted by it in all areas of my life. I don't think any of the local neuropsychs would administer a Rorschach. Or would they?
Your explanations make sense and I won't probe for the correlation between things like color/emotions, movements/needs, etc. I've learned quite a bit.
Something a little off-topic, have you had the chance to read Max Velmans's book _Understanding Consciousness_"? It's really, really interesting. I read the 2000 edition in college when I was delving into cognitive ethnomusicology and was blown away, but there is a 2009 edition (the most recent). I don't think he was putting forward a particular solution or agenda; it's more of an overview of the basics of consciousness without diving deep into the hard/soft stuff that philosophers and neuroscientists are tackling. Highly recommended.
Wait, people still use these tests to this day???
The way I understand it, psychiatrists still use the test, but they're aware of the limitations of it. Less of a tool to get detailed analysis of the patients, much more of a ice breaker and a conversation starter.
My favorite scene from the book Flowers for Algernon is where the protagonist "fail[s] the Rorschach test," a scene which remains implanted in my brain for all of its subtle humor, ironic outcome, and familiar (to me, at least) depiction of a literal mind.
Good video. Need to record at a higher volume, though.
How come no one talking about how fit Rorschach is?
He looks like Leonardo DiCaprio!
@@melissacooper8724Brad Pitt!
@Pommie 🐻 Bears Now that I think about it he does look more like Brad Pitt.
I have totally been railroaded by this crap! When I was a preteen, my mother (actual narcissist) tried to control me with drugs! She'd drag me to any psychiatrist who would prescribe drugs she would literally force down my throat...
They tried to tell me I was depressed or something (I actually have C-PTSD. My father was also very abusuve...) and I swear, if you say you see anything other than unicorns and rainbows, they say you're sick...
I am incredibly fascinated by this, thank you 😊
Also, unrelated, the audio on this video is not great. It's super quiet and hard to hear
Hope you are having a wonderful day simon and all!!❤❤❤
That's chill.
The person I love loves someone else
Forget the test, that Dr. Rorschach is a very aesthetically pleasing man, can I just look t pictures of him instead?
Apparently nebulae can produce the same effect. I printed a poster of the Carina nebula and showed my mom, she immediately said it looked "evil". I never saw that at all, so not sure how to interpret.
You should do one of these videos on the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. Some Psychs are using it solely to determine a persons state of mind.
My first step mother sent my brother and I to a therapist. He gave one of these tests. I mostly saw landscapes and while answering I'd say "But if you turn it this way, or this way you'd see...". Then I said a few other things and after a bit I said something like "You must have kids because you listen very well." He was slightly shocked and asked why I said that, I answered that he was married and many single men don't listen to what kids say very well. Then he requested that my stepmother start taking sessions, we didn't go after her second session.
I'm reminded of an episode of The Monkees where Micky was taken to a psychiatrist. The doctor was showing this colorful ink blot and the boys all had different interpretations. The doctor got mad because none of them agreed with what he saw.
honestly a solution to the inkblots losing validity because of the imagery and such being public, they can always make new images. Granted, that will make it more difficult to document the statistics regarding patient responses to the images to find any patterns that can be used in scoring. That could either turn out to be better to avoid biases when scoring, or worse if those patterns could help determine diagnostics.
Even then though, its still super useful for everything else a patient's responses might tell the person giving the test. At the very least it opens up paths of speculation the practitioner may not have had prior to the test that can then be explored and put through processes of elimination when paths either fit or hit a dead end.
Its one tool of many, a mechanic wouldn't use 1 tool to fix a vehicle and not every tool will work on every problem and/or every type of vehicle. (congrats if you read this far u got a silly little metaphor as a treat)
I'm not sure if it actually exists, but I once heard about a sound Rorschach test. They're recordings of someone saying things that sound very close to words, but it's just gibberish. So instead of "What do you see?" It's "What did you hear?"
If these things exist (or still exist), I definitely want hear one!
I’ve always wanted to know!