I’ve also always felt like Xehanort knew or was at least somewhat aware of what and who Luxu was and what he was actually doing. What gives it away is when Xehanort sighs when they’re talking about the black box. He knows lol.
Yeah that's why I left that scene at the end of the video. He passively scoffs at Saix, while Saix seems to take their lack of intel on Luxu's plans seriously.
Of course Xehanort knew that something was amiss. Luxu literally asked for his help in bodyswapping from his body Bragi to another in Dark Road. Ain't no way a supposed Keyblade wielder in training could do or know that stuff lmao.
@@GigasGalvantula 1. I didn't say anything about Keyblades. Where do you even get that??? 2. Those were either all basic Keyblades just like the Starlight Keyblade and were given en mass or they didn't bother with designing thousands of different Keyblades and thus reused them and their evolutions.
It would also explain why MoM didnt appear with the Foretellers, MoMs plan was only to obtain a direct line into the future through No Name with Luxu carrying the memories to complete himself But he didnt appear, because his medium, No Name, isnt with Luxu, its with Sora Maybe the reason he appeared phisically in Quadratum is because the rules work different there thus allowing him to set foot into it even without someone to carry his memories, only needing 1 of them to work, maybe thats also why Ava didnt appear on the crossroad, cause her desired point of aparition wasnt there, but with the Master To explain the last part, essentially what I believed happened is that the box carries mediums for the Foretellers, that MoM put everything togueter so they could appear in the future where his plan can be put into motion, since a heart can travel through time, during the war they became hearts and remained withing their keyblades (MoM made them out of hearts as its been revealed) thus remaining there for aeons, then when both the box and Luxu arrived there as peer MoMs instructions they got reformed, but Ava didnt, either because she survived the encounter and remained hidden moving things to go against MoM, like giving Brain her Book of Phrofecies, or she changed things so she wouldnt appear in that place on her demise, maybe was able to put her heart into No Name when both Luxu and he clashed and this isnt even there to complete herself, thus, because Luxu doesnt have the real No Name and thus doeasnt have MoMs medium and Avas heart, they didnt appear there, but in Quadratum with Sora Cause, I now believe the girl we see in KH4 trailer is not Strelitzia, but Ava, when Sora arrived at Quadratum, she reformed and started caring for him
I think you need to take onto account that the MoM is already in the present by the time Dark Road comes around. We only know that he disappears once, in Union X. He doesn't disappear again after he meets Xehanort, but he could willingly go wherever he wants. The No Name Keyblade doesn't contain the MoM's memories, that's Luxu's responsibility (and why he already appears in dark road). No Name contains the medium (his eye).
@@sonic4life I did, the way I see it is he can appear anywhere in time where No Name and Luxu are as long as it is slightly interesting, after all the Darkness did call MoM on just randomly appearing on Union X, this tells me he has a lifeboat to keep using to enter and exit the timeline, and the reason he actually appeared then is because things started to look diffferent through time to what they were supposed to, so he goes to points of interest to see what could be causing those changes never said No Name has his memories, as MoM clarified, its the vessel, the thing that has a link to himself, specifically, the Gazing Eye is what the vessel is aditional things, that this vedio talks, there is no way MoM could ever see Quadratum unless the world rejected him like it did Sora, by breaking the worlds taboos, so the theory stands that the reason he saw it is because No Name is currently with someone on Quadratum now to add a bit more context onto my reasons to say MoM and Ava are with Sora in Quadratum first, something to clear up, my toughs on Soras disapperance and why he appeared in Quadratum, more so in the why as we know Sora broke the taboos and thus the world made him disapear because of that, but the reason he appeared on Quadratum is because the Taboos Sora broke arent so in Quadratum, they are taboos in the Relm of Light, Darkness, in between and even Dreams, but not in Quadratum, so when Sora got ejected from the worlds, he landed in the only world that could accept his actions, that is my toughts on that so, for that, then brings the question, why would Strelitzia be in Quadratum? we know you need to break a taboo in order to disappear, but dying is not a taboo, heck thats why The Last Wold exist, so then, who else broke a taboo in the same level as Sora? Ava, when she gave the Book of Profecies to Brain instead of the intended recipient (most likely Strelitzia), she did say she wasnt ment to give it to him, but that was her action in defiance of Fate, thus, just like Sora, she broke a Taboo of the worlds, of course I still retain that unlike Sora that broke them continiously, she had more leway to move and do other things, and hence why I stated she, her heart, was in No Name, cause she wanted to confront MoM about all of the things that happened but well, to the last point, why do I think you dont need the memories to resurect in Quadratum? as I mentioned, the reason I believe Sora appeared there was cause the Taboo he commited is not so in Quadratum, that is to say, it governs by its own set of rules, so this tells me what needed in the known relms does not apply to Quadratum, and my guess is you dont need the memories, only the heart or a vessel to reform yourself in Quadratum, we have confirmation that a heart can be born from vessels and even memories, Roxas, a Nobody without a heart, a empty vessel, and Xion, a bunch of memories without a Heart, formed a Heart of their own and became their own selves, so I sustain the theory things are more loose in Quadratum and by having Sora with the No Name, which I sustain carried Avas heart, and becoming the point MoM was looking to reappear, because Quadratum doesnt need the memories, they became complete in there
@@Hc2p3n4t4rp my bad on the misunderstanding, but I still have some counter points. The MoM can go anywhere his eye has been, at any point of time, due to the existence of Luxu and the No Name Keyblade existing throughout time. He doesn't need a lifeboat, those with a medium and memories in the future can travel there by discarding their body and using their heart to time travel. The Master appearing when Xehanort was a child makes me think that he doesn't need Luxu or No Name anymore, unless he wanted to skip time again. The presence of Lauriam, Ventus, Skuld or Elrena in the present (before Sora's time) also make me think he appears before the events of KH3 at the very least. Strelizia. Her presence in Quadratum, presumably getting there before Sora, implies that at the very least Luxu has been there. If not Luxu, then the MoM must have taken her there, or either one of them orchestrated her being there. There's no way around this, either Luxu or the MoM had to have visited Quadratum BEFORE Sora gets there. This is corroborated by Yozora explaining the tasks that the Master gave him, and the Master's (and presumably Luxu's) appearance in the secret trailer BEFORE Sora and Riku arrives (the dream Riku has).
@@sonic4life 1 isnt a counter point, I just said he had a lifeboat cause thats what it does, you just said he doesnt need it to do it 2 also isnt a counter point, but no comment from me either 3, we dont know if the girls is really Strelitzia, we currently asume she is due to looks, but we also dont know how Ava actually looks, not the other foretellers or MoM, so my point was more on saying its nor her but rather Ava MoM didnt know about Quadratum until he got a glimpse of it on, The Propouse, in which he says its a world even he cannot fathom, I asume nether him nor Luxu actually know how to reach there on volition, the first character to recognize its existence as something that actually exist is Xehanort when he sended Kairi away, lastly, we dont know whose trials Yozora took, saying its MoM its an assumtion but most of what we comment here is, hence why a start with, my take or my belief, on matters, thus a call out to your points, they are assumptions, not known facts, even me assuming MoM is in Quadratum is an assumption from what we know is Rikus dream, it may not mean MoM is in Quadratum
@@Hc2p3n4t4rp I say counter points, but I just mean context, clarity and insight, I'm not shooting you down. Of course everything we talk about os speculation, that's the point. The point is also to narrow down possibilities, that's why I'm engaging in conversation with you. Strelizia shouldn't look like Ava, it wouldn't make sense given her relative is Laurium and that she's the "true dandelion". But then again, someone is out there stealing forms, so who knows? The figure at the end of Riku's dream was confirmed to be the MoM by Nomura himself, and there's another figure with him who is most likely Luxu, but could be a number of people. Point is, he was there before Sora, and it's most likely in the book of prophecies. The master being unable to fathom Unreality is basically every description we've had of it. I'm sure he's read about it in the book of prophecies, that's the point of the book right? And apprentice Xehanort has to get his info from someone? Who other than the very guy undercover, pretending to be his right hand man all this time (Luxu)? Heck, he could have handed him the BoP or lead him to it.
I dont think the No Name is a fake in the exact word No Name still exists as its own keyblade, but instead its likely a copy that allows the MoM to see and interact in both reality and unreality
Luxu was with the MOM for most of the time that he had the no name keyblade, and he also had the original no name from after MOM dissapeared up to when he gave it up as Xigbar. I'm pretty sure he would know well enough to tell a forgery from the genuine thing.
Seeing Xehanort say “ There’s only *ONE SKY!* *ONE DESTINY!* “ gives me absolute goosebumps. I know the whole “ MoM is Sora “ is dead at this point but what if it’s not exactly that, but something *similar*, considering that Sora’s name literally means Sky. I know it’s obviously only surface level & I’m sure somebody else has mentioned this in this very comment section, just wanted to talk about it
I think he's Sora's brother. And that theyre both the sons of Kingdom Hearts. Im BBS Riku mentioned his father, Sora never does. In dark road the concept of a chosen 1 is established. Scala Ad Caelum assumes it to be Xehanort. Because of him being the child of Ephemera's lineage. And Sora's heart based powers. Seems to be on the verge of becoming his source of power in totality. He's pretty much stripped of everything else.
Something to consider aswell is that keyblade transformations are a thing we know can happen. so its possible that the X blade is now an unlocked transformation for the original no name keyblade. Which would explane why luxu is not suspecting anything as no name is just in its base form and checking it can transform might be bad to do near the fortellers as they know what the X blade is and might turn them against him. Another thing to consider is the gazing eye is what allows the master to see the future and not the no name itself. This could be important as it is shown that keyblades can be changed so if xeanort found this out he might have been able to take the orginal gazing eye off and put it on a fake
This. I didn't even consider that idea lol. I always figured the X blade is simply resting within Sora. There's a follow up video I plan on doing for the KH4 trailer. And I was going to point out how Sora struggles with calling the Kingdom Key. And how that may be tied to the idea of him being the wielder of the X~blade. He struggles to summon the kingdom key because the Xblade is trying to come out at the same time. Like he legit grits his teeth to get the Kingdom Key to pop out.
@AMAZIAH an interesting take but I will counter by bringing up that he is in quadratum now which we know is a " world of neither light or dark" as told by terranort. So it's possible that it is what you said about the X blade trying to come out but it's also possible that it's simply different to summon the keyblade in quadratum and sora struggles for a second because he might have to put in more effort due to the neutrality of the environment. We should also consider that the x blade has been with sora through remind as well and did not force it's way out during that so why in quadratum? It would make more sense if it forced it's way out in the presence of kingdom hearts as it's connected to it but to force it's way out in quadratum would be strange and if true would put into question why it's trying to do that. There is also the other option that people are bringing up which is that sora might have lost his memory's or something due to everything so it could simply be that he isn't running on knowing what he is doing in that moment but instincts and feelings so him struggling could be because he is unsure what he is doing but trusts his instincts
Exactly. Fake keyblades that work and function already exist within the series. For instance. It's assumed Roxas's oathkeeper is Xions keyblade having nowhere to go except to him. Thus he has 2 keyblades. Well even with Xion being around Roxas still has her keyblade. A xion has a kingdom key while Sora is standing right there 😂
A theory I have is Xehanort is not dead because when he banished his heart from his body and possessed Terra we were never told what happened to his original body, I personally think that the mysterious figure super boss in bbs is master Xehanort's nobody instead of young Xehanort because the boss is muscular and young Xehanort is tiny
It was revealed that it was Xehanort's caretaker that was the reincarnation of the player and that Xehanort used his ability to look into his caretaker's heart and saw those things.
This is a wild theory, and I thoroughly enjoy it. As per Keyblade rules, it does make sense for the No Name blade to be in the form of the Chi Blade that Xehanort passes down. Even though Sora’s Keyblade goes back to being the Kingdom Key, it doesn’t mean that the key itself hasn’t like absorbed the No Name. It’s like the keychains that change the form technically (in the way that I see it). If it does work out this way where Xehanort uses that 14th life in someway to disrupt the plan of the Man who set him upon his dark seeker road, that would be an acceptable way of having Xehanort continue in the story.
I think this theory has a few holes. 1. The MoM has already been summoned to the present at the time of Dark Road. I don't think it was ever implied that he should have been with the other fortellers, in fact, Union X supports that he wouldn't be present with them. 2. The MoM already visited unreality long before Sora gets there. It's implied that he used the power of waking to get there waaaaay back in the Union X timeline when he tells Luxu/Darkness/Ava about his disappearance. 3. The point of there being two Sora's in the end was to demonstrate the power of waking, him using time travel to fix everything, and to give context on his disappearance. The No Name Keyblade falling in the keyblade graveyard is supposed to be symbolic of what constantly goes on in that place - a battle of Keyblade weilders that only leaves their weapons behind. 4. Having multiple copies of No Name isn't an entirely new concept, and I don't think any of them are fake. Remember, Roxas can use the Kingdom Key at the same time as Sora. I think it's an interesting theory btw, and I'm not saying it couldn't be possible (I think anything is possible with Nomura), those are just some of the things that jump out at me.
1. I never made that assertion. The Master of Masters clearly can appear in different periods of time. 2. I think you're mistaking how this works. He stated he saw a glimpse of the realm of unreality. Implying he merely saw it. His disappearance in Xchi never actually happens. Back Cover, X, and Unchained X are the memories of the keyblade war of that era between PC and Luxu. This is why all 3 versions of the story end on the same cutscene. Back Cover is Luxu's version starting and ending with him. Xchi mobile games are player characters perspective of the events. Luxu is given his role after rest as him and the MoM secretly observe the events from the room where Luxu always meets him. And by the end he is finally given the box and leaves. 0.2 shows us this clear as day. Ava meets Luxu in Daybreak town and he doesn't have the box. Luxu watched the war from afar and sees KH absorb all the hearts in that moment he has the box. Also think about the book of prophecies. It's a book based on Sora's time. Not the age of Fairytales. Sora has to change fate to save everyone from darkness. And KH3 even even states "And so, as foretold, darkness prevails and light expires" And even Xehanort and Eraqus knows this is a telling of even their future. In the "The Gambit" scene.
3) Yes. The 2 Sora's are for their to be revelations of what was happening in the background of KH3(base). But Sora in RE:Mind is Sora post defeating Xehanort regardless. Thus he is still beneath the No Name keyblade in the form of the X~blade. So since RE:Mind is explaining all the loose ends. Why is both Sora's show to be having their respective battles at the same time? Master Xehanort(true form) hands down his keyblade. Even in supporting material the Xehanort in RE:Mind is established to be a phantom. Why would it have the real No Name? 3.5) Some of you guys are taking the word "fake" too hyper-literally. I'm not saying the keyblade gone morph into a stick. Or Xehanort gave Luxu a 3d print out of the No Name. It is a keyblade, it works like a keyblade. But it's a copy of the No Name. Sora has the real thing. Ever since Days we've known that keyblades can have working copies. That are not the real keyblades but have all their properties and abilities. However, it seems Sora has specifically the No Name that can feed information back to the Master of Masters and that is why he's now in unreality. Whereas before he said I "saw a glimpse."
@@AMAZIAH point 1 I was talking about how you said "the master didn't appear with the fortellers" when Luxu meets them. I wouldn't think he would. He could, but I don't see a reason for him to. Point 2, I don't think the timeline contradicts my claim. Luxu doesn't leave till after the keybkade war is over, and that doesn't really have anything to do with my point. The master dissapears for 2 reasons. 1. To travel to the future at any point in time via Luxu, No Name and rhe Book of Prophecies. 2. To visit Unreality in order to fufill some purpose for his plan (since we see him get there before Sora).
@@AMAZIAH I'm confused as to what you're trying to point out about the two Soras. The original Sora before he goes and saves Kairi gets the X-blade which was a combination of all of the No Names that Xehanort got from the clash. I don't think any of those No Names are necessarily fake. That same sora uses the power of waking to assist everyone as a spirit. He's basically operating in something similar to the realm of Sleep (like Kairi in MoM, or like Riku in DDD). Everything he faces there is a mix of him intervening in the original fights/hearts and manifestations of things in his heart (Xehanort has kingdom hearts, he can manifest anywhere - plus he's connected to Sora). Are you saying that this Phantom Xehanort is where Luxu gets No Name from? 3.5 I'm just saying that I'd think that the gazing eye would function the same regardless of which No Name is used. I also don't think any of the other No Names leaves Xehanort though, they're always with him as the X-blade. The ones that the Xehanort clones use are duplicates of the ones he has (Armored Xehanort, everything that the guardians of light fights, etc). So are you saying that the one defeated by Sora and co when he says "my friends are my power" is where Luxu gets the keyblade from?
@sonic4life when did we see the Master of Masters get to unreality before Sora? From what we know he appears to get there at the same time as Sora. My point was that the Master didn't actually disappear at all. He lied. When he's done giving the roles to the Foretellers. He's watching them from a secret room in Daybreak town. Luxu meets with him until, perhaps, when he meets Ava again. He tells Ava the truth. They clash the keyblade war begins. PC witnesses the war. And so does Luxu. The tellings of the future ends with Xehanort's keyblade war. When Terranort kills everyone.
Yeah I think it's at the very least "safe" to say we havent heard the last of Xehanort. Not only is the whole deal with Young Xehanort quite strange at times (hes teasing Sora a lot for example), but when Xehanort was Ansems Apprentice he had this whole research going on about Unreality. There is a lot to discover still and I am curious where Nomura is heading with that in mind and Luxu/the MoM on top of that. It would fit the "Masterplanner" Xehanort if he just acted dumb when it comes to Luxu, just like he did. And Nomura loves Xehanort (fav character), that's another no small funfact to consider as well! It would be pretty rough to trick someone like Luxu to that extend tho, like if he cant even tell if its the real thing or not for having had the keyblade over decades and perhaps centuries at that point. But I certainly like your idea 💜
Remember in Days when Xion creates a sham version of the Kingdom Key? I believe its the same thing here with the "No Name" Xehanort leaves for Luxu. Thus Sora has ample time to realize he is the wielder of the Xblade. Remember Data Xehanort tells Kiari he purposefully made Sora disappear. Thus he went to unreality where Luxord and Brain are. Xemnas said Luxord is tied to the keyblade. And Yozora for some reason can wield Sora's kingdom key.
So Xehanort has some long game plan he's playing. They even add in remind how Xehanort remembers the M.o.M and now knows "What it is he's meant to do."
Sora in bequeth the weapon while in Xs heart. Second the same keyblade can show up in an exact point and see itself. Even the keyblade work on the premises of time. For example both terranort and old Xehanort weilded noname. You also have the addition on a split timeline of events from when sora commits the taboo. Finally based you also have the fact that keyblades are formed based off a heart of someone or something. Keyblade of hearts was based off the 7 princess. The xblade is based of 13 lights and darks. The Defender is tide to daybreak towns worlds heart. The scala ad caelum we see is a memory of the world before it was changed by eraqus. This is why we see 2 versions of scala ad caelum, day break town and we get to see aqua change land of departure into castle oblivion. They are all the same place. Being blue blood eraqus was told about the 4 darkness that were locked in digital daybreak town and when him and young xehanort had their fight he changed scala ad caelum to land of departure to ensure that xehanort would never get close to releasing darknesses by using the same master defender tied to that worlds heart. Luxu knows that his no name isnt a fake because the master of masters derived that keyblade from a heart. Given luxu had it for years he imprinted on it. The foretellers are not whole individual. Did anyone hear ever consider how riku got not 1 but 2 different keyblades of his own? Its because of a term similar to the "soul of a blade". As we know, nobodies gain hearts of their own in time. What people also fail to consider is that another namine given ties to both sora and kairi be actually alive now could also be a weilder. As we have also seen in union cross a person can upgrade and change the appearance of their keyblade over time. Consider that both eraqus and xehanort use keyblades that were passed down and not their own. Because these bladeses carry the souls and abilities of their previous users. This is also why the keyblades helped sora with the giant darkness tonado in kh3 ending.
Somewhat counter theory, It's not a fake as keyblades could potentionally all become the X-blade. It just morphs into the true Keyblade and its like a possession. Where the possessor takes the possesses body but its appearance is retained as the possessor, so it's like a more cinematic swapping of places. But since technically another weilder of No name exists then it returns to him instead. And when the new true keyblade was forged and handed to sora and as Xehanort dies the no name returns to the graveyard as all current owners are nonexistent anymore. We don't know if anyone can pick up the forgotten keys in the graveyard or if only old masters of that key can weild it. We also aren't quite sure of the Base form of all Keyblades yet. As the chainitaelf alters its appearance and proficiency. I don't think kweve seen a unkeychained Key yet.
Im work so this is a rushed job. The only keychainless keyblades we saw were at the graveyard, but as we are gifted Keychains the Keychain could be the essence of a world's heart itself that a strong hearted person can manifest And what if the keyblade graveyard is just a fated battlefield of all keyblade warriors, and nor the result of the X war but the first war between light and dark that MOM was talking about seeing when he was a child. And those are the true keyblades for each world since they don't have Keychain, and the Keychain call upon the powers of the original. Or maybe the Keychain is destroyed when the weilder dies leading to the Keyblade remaining in said state. But I'd like to believe that anything given a certain Keychain of value and importance transforms said weapon into a keyblade, as the wooden sword in KH1 transformed into the keyblade twice iirc.
I’ve also always felt like Xehanort knew or was at least somewhat aware of what and who Luxu was and what he was actually doing. What gives it away is when Xehanort sighs when they’re talking about the black box. He knows lol.
Yeah that's why I left that scene at the end of the video. He passively scoffs at Saix, while Saix seems to take their lack of intel on Luxu's plans seriously.
Of course Xehanort knew that something was amiss. Luxu literally asked for his help in bodyswapping from his body Bragi to another in Dark Road. Ain't no way a supposed Keyblade wielder in training could do or know that stuff lmao.
@@EUM_NEMESISthere can be more then one of the same keyblade have you not seen the keyblade graveyard
Also ux
@@GigasGalvantula 1. I didn't say anything about Keyblades. Where do you even get that???
2. Those were either all basic Keyblades just like the Starlight Keyblade and were given en mass or they didn't bother with designing thousands of different Keyblades and thus reused them and their evolutions.
It would also explain why MoM didnt appear with the Foretellers, MoMs plan was only to obtain a direct line into the future through No Name with Luxu carrying the memories to complete himself
But he didnt appear, because his medium, No Name, isnt with Luxu, its with Sora
Maybe the reason he appeared phisically in Quadratum is because the rules work different there thus allowing him to set foot into it even without someone to carry his memories, only needing 1 of them to work, maybe thats also why Ava didnt appear on the crossroad, cause her desired point of aparition wasnt there, but with the Master
To explain the last part, essentially what I believed happened is that the box carries mediums for the Foretellers, that MoM put everything togueter so they could appear in the future where his plan can be put into motion, since a heart can travel through time, during the war they became hearts and remained withing their keyblades (MoM made them out of hearts as its been revealed) thus remaining there for aeons, then when both the box and Luxu arrived there as peer MoMs instructions they got reformed, but Ava didnt, either because she survived the encounter and remained hidden moving things to go against MoM, like giving Brain her Book of Phrofecies, or she changed things so she wouldnt appear in that place on her demise, maybe was able to put her heart into No Name when both Luxu and he clashed and this isnt even there to complete herself, thus, because Luxu doesnt have the real No Name and thus doeasnt have MoMs medium and Avas heart, they didnt appear there, but in Quadratum with Sora
Cause, I now believe the girl we see in KH4 trailer is not Strelitzia, but Ava, when Sora arrived at Quadratum, she reformed and started caring for him
I think you need to take onto account that the MoM is already in the present by the time Dark Road comes around.
We only know that he disappears once, in Union X.
He doesn't disappear again after he meets Xehanort, but he could willingly go wherever he wants.
The No Name Keyblade doesn't contain the MoM's memories, that's Luxu's responsibility (and why he already appears in dark road). No Name contains the medium (his eye).
@@sonic4life I did, the way I see it is he can appear anywhere in time where No Name and Luxu are as long as it is slightly interesting, after all the Darkness did call MoM on just randomly appearing on Union X, this tells me he has a lifeboat to keep using to enter and exit the timeline, and the reason he actually appeared then is because things started to look diffferent through time to what they were supposed to, so he goes to points of interest to see what could be causing those changes
never said No Name has his memories, as MoM clarified, its the vessel, the thing that has a link to himself, specifically, the Gazing Eye is what the vessel is
aditional things, that this vedio talks, there is no way MoM could ever see Quadratum unless the world rejected him like it did Sora, by breaking the worlds taboos, so the theory stands that the reason he saw it is because No Name is currently with someone on Quadratum
now to add a bit more context onto my reasons to say MoM and Ava are with Sora in Quadratum
first, something to clear up, my toughs on Soras disapperance and why he appeared in Quadratum, more so in the why
as we know Sora broke the taboos and thus the world made him disapear because of that, but the reason he appeared on Quadratum is because the Taboos Sora broke arent so in Quadratum, they are taboos in the Relm of Light, Darkness, in between and even Dreams, but not in Quadratum, so when Sora got ejected from the worlds, he landed in the only world that could accept his actions, that is my toughts on that
so, for that, then brings the question, why would Strelitzia be in Quadratum? we know you need to break a taboo in order to disappear, but dying is not a taboo, heck thats why The Last Wold exist, so then, who else broke a taboo in the same level as Sora? Ava, when she gave the Book of Profecies to Brain instead of the intended recipient (most likely Strelitzia), she did say she wasnt ment to give it to him, but that was her action in defiance of Fate, thus, just like Sora, she broke a Taboo of the worlds, of course I still retain that unlike Sora that broke them continiously, she had more leway to move and do other things, and hence why I stated she, her heart, was in No Name, cause she wanted to confront MoM about all of the things that happened
but well, to the last point, why do I think you dont need the memories to resurect in Quadratum? as I mentioned, the reason I believe Sora appeared there was cause the Taboo he commited is not so in Quadratum, that is to say, it governs by its own set of rules, so this tells me what needed in the known relms does not apply to Quadratum, and my guess is you dont need the memories, only the heart or a vessel to reform yourself in Quadratum, we have confirmation that a heart can be born from vessels and even memories, Roxas, a Nobody without a heart, a empty vessel, and Xion, a bunch of memories without a Heart, formed a Heart of their own and became their own selves, so I sustain the theory things are more loose in Quadratum and by having Sora with the No Name, which I sustain carried Avas heart, and becoming the point MoM was looking to reappear, because Quadratum doesnt need the memories, they became complete in there
@@Hc2p3n4t4rp my bad on the misunderstanding, but I still have some counter points.
The MoM can go anywhere his eye has been, at any point of time, due to the existence of Luxu and the No Name Keyblade existing throughout time. He doesn't need a lifeboat, those with a medium and memories in the future can travel there by discarding their body and using their heart to time travel.
The Master appearing when Xehanort was a child makes me think that he doesn't need Luxu or No Name anymore, unless he wanted to skip time again. The presence of Lauriam, Ventus, Skuld or Elrena in the present (before Sora's time) also make me think he appears before the events of KH3 at the very least.
Strelizia. Her presence in Quadratum, presumably getting there before Sora, implies that at the very least Luxu has been there. If not Luxu, then the MoM must have taken her there, or either one of them orchestrated her being there. There's no way around this, either Luxu or the MoM had to have visited Quadratum BEFORE Sora gets there. This is corroborated by Yozora explaining the tasks that the Master gave him, and the Master's (and presumably Luxu's) appearance in the secret trailer BEFORE Sora and Riku arrives (the dream Riku has).
@@sonic4life 1 isnt a counter point, I just said he had a lifeboat cause thats what it does, you just said he doesnt need it to do it
2 also isnt a counter point, but no comment from me either
3, we dont know if the girls is really Strelitzia, we currently asume she is due to looks, but we also dont know how Ava actually looks, not the other foretellers or MoM, so my point was more on saying its nor her but rather Ava
MoM didnt know about Quadratum until he got a glimpse of it on, The Propouse, in which he says its a world even he cannot fathom, I asume nether him nor Luxu actually know how to reach there on volition, the first character to recognize its existence as something that actually exist is Xehanort when he sended Kairi away, lastly, we dont know whose trials Yozora took, saying its MoM its an assumtion
but most of what we comment here is, hence why a start with, my take or my belief, on matters, thus a call out to your points, they are assumptions, not known facts, even me assuming MoM is in Quadratum is an assumption from what we know is Rikus dream, it may not mean MoM is in Quadratum
@@Hc2p3n4t4rp I say counter points, but I just mean context, clarity and insight, I'm not shooting you down.
Of course everything we talk about os speculation, that's the point. The point is also to narrow down possibilities, that's why I'm engaging in conversation with you.
Strelizia shouldn't look like Ava, it wouldn't make sense given her relative is Laurium and that she's the "true dandelion". But then again, someone is out there stealing forms, so who knows?
The figure at the end of Riku's dream was confirmed to be the MoM by Nomura himself, and there's another figure with him who is most likely Luxu, but could be a number of people. Point is, he was there before Sora, and it's most likely in the book of prophecies.
The master being unable to fathom Unreality is basically every description we've had of it. I'm sure he's read about it in the book of prophecies, that's the point of the book right? And apprentice Xehanort has to get his info from someone? Who other than the very guy undercover, pretending to be his right hand man all this time (Luxu)? Heck, he could have handed him the BoP or lead him to it.
I dont think the No Name is a fake in the exact word No Name still exists as its own keyblade, but instead its likely a copy that allows the MoM to see and interact in both reality and unreality
Solid theory. Makes sense when you broke it down about the NN keyblade.
Luxu was with the MOM for most of the time that he had the no name keyblade, and he also had the original no name from after MOM dissapeared up to when he gave it up as Xigbar. I'm pretty sure he would know well enough to tell a forgery from the genuine thing.
Xehanort can literally do things like copy entire worlds. You taking the word fake hyper literally.
The assertion is that the original is given to Sora. Luxu has one of the copies.
Seeing Xehanort say “ There’s only *ONE SKY!* *ONE DESTINY!* “ gives me absolute goosebumps.
I know the whole “ MoM is Sora “ is dead at this point but what if it’s not exactly that, but something *similar*, considering that Sora’s name literally means Sky.
I know it’s obviously only surface level & I’m sure somebody else has mentioned this in this very comment section, just wanted to talk about it
I think he's Sora's brother. And that theyre both the sons of Kingdom Hearts.
Im BBS Riku mentioned his father, Sora never does.
In dark road the concept of a chosen 1 is established.
Scala Ad Caelum assumes it to be Xehanort. Because of him being the child of Ephemera's lineage.
And Sora's heart based powers. Seems to be on the verge of becoming his source of power in totality. He's pretty much stripped of everything else.
Something to consider aswell is that keyblade transformations are a thing we know can happen. so its possible that the X blade is now an unlocked transformation for the original no name keyblade. Which would explane why luxu is not suspecting anything as no name is just in its base form and checking it can transform might be bad to do near the fortellers as they know what the X blade is and might turn them against him.
Another thing to consider is the gazing eye is what allows the master to see the future and not the no name itself. This could be important as it is shown that keyblades can be changed so if xeanort found this out he might have been able to take the orginal gazing eye off and put it on a fake
This. I didn't even consider that idea lol. I always figured the X blade is simply resting within Sora. There's a follow up video I plan on doing for the KH4 trailer. And I was going to point out how Sora struggles with calling the Kingdom Key. And how that may be tied to the idea of him being the wielder of the X~blade. He struggles to summon the kingdom key because the Xblade is trying to come out at the same time. Like he legit grits his teeth to get the Kingdom Key to pop out.
@AMAZIAH an interesting take but I will counter by bringing up that he is in quadratum now which we know is a " world of neither light or dark" as told by terranort. So it's possible that it is what you said about the X blade trying to come out but it's also possible that it's simply different to summon the keyblade in quadratum and sora struggles for a second because he might have to put in more effort due to the neutrality of the environment.
We should also consider that the x blade has been with sora through remind as well and did not force it's way out during that so why in quadratum? It would make more sense if it forced it's way out in the presence of kingdom hearts as it's connected to it but to force it's way out in quadratum would be strange and if true would put into question why it's trying to do that.
There is also the other option that people are bringing up which is that sora might have lost his memory's or something due to everything so it could simply be that he isn't running on knowing what he is doing in that moment but instincts and feelings so him struggling could be because he is unsure what he is doing but trusts his instincts
I think this is a great point, and also, the Gazing Eye's pupil watching Sora's heart in the secret ending is so wild! and a great catch.
What if sora having the no name keyblade in quadratum is how the MOM connects his heart to that location in unreality?
That's how it's portrayed.
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Well no promises but there are more kids planned
I can believe it cause it basically the same thing as what riku said to xion. “This keyblade is a sham “
Exactly. Fake keyblades that work and function already exist within the series. For instance. It's assumed Roxas's oathkeeper is Xions keyblade having nowhere to go except to him. Thus he has 2 keyblades. Well even with Xion being around Roxas still has her keyblade. A xion has a kingdom key while Sora is standing right there 😂
@@AMAZIAHBoth Sora, Roxas and Xion have Kingdom Key. But now Roxas wield 2 keyblades. His and Xion's keyblades.
A theory I have is Xehanort is not dead because when he banished his heart from his body and possessed Terra we were never told what happened to his original body, I personally think that the mysterious figure super boss in bbs is master Xehanort's nobody instead of young Xehanort because the boss is muscular and young Xehanort is tiny
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Preciate it, bro. And be strong and confident in your journey. I know you can do it.
Most like Xehanort knew about Luxu remember Xehanort had the players memories so he knew about the age of fairytales and the ancient darkness
It was revealed that it was Xehanort's caretaker that was the reincarnation of the player and that Xehanort used his ability to look into his caretaker's heart and saw those things.
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This is a wild theory, and I thoroughly enjoy it. As per Keyblade rules, it does make sense for the No Name blade to be in the form of the Chi Blade that Xehanort passes down. Even though Sora’s Keyblade goes back to being the Kingdom Key, it doesn’t mean that the key itself hasn’t like absorbed the No Name. It’s like the keychains that change the form technically (in the way that I see it). If it does work out this way where Xehanort uses that 14th life in someway to disrupt the plan of the Man who set him upon his dark seeker road, that would be an acceptable way of having Xehanort continue in the story.
I think this theory has a few holes.
1. The MoM has already been summoned to the present at the time of Dark Road. I don't think it was ever implied that he should have been with the other fortellers, in fact, Union X supports that he wouldn't be present with them.
2. The MoM already visited unreality long before Sora gets there. It's implied that he used the power of waking to get there waaaaay back in the Union X timeline when he tells Luxu/Darkness/Ava about his disappearance.
3. The point of there being two Sora's in the end was to demonstrate the power of waking, him using time travel to fix everything, and to give context on his disappearance. The No Name Keyblade falling in the keyblade graveyard is supposed to be symbolic of what constantly goes on in that place - a battle of Keyblade weilders that only leaves their weapons behind.
4. Having multiple copies of No Name isn't an entirely new concept, and I don't think any of them are fake. Remember, Roxas can use the Kingdom Key at the same time as Sora.
I think it's an interesting theory btw, and I'm not saying it couldn't be possible (I think anything is possible with Nomura), those are just some of the things that jump out at me.
1. I never made that assertion. The Master of Masters clearly can appear in different periods of time.
2. I think you're mistaking how this works. He stated he saw a glimpse of the realm of unreality. Implying he merely saw it. His disappearance in Xchi never actually happens. Back Cover, X, and Unchained X are the memories of the keyblade war of that era between PC and Luxu. This is why all 3 versions of the story end on the same cutscene. Back Cover is Luxu's version starting and ending with him. Xchi mobile games are player characters perspective of the events. Luxu is given his role after rest as him and the MoM secretly observe the events from the room where Luxu always meets him. And by the end he is finally given the box and leaves. 0.2 shows us this clear as day. Ava meets Luxu in Daybreak town and he doesn't have the box. Luxu watched the war from afar and sees KH absorb all the hearts in that moment he has the box.
Also think about the book of prophecies. It's a book based on Sora's time. Not the age of Fairytales. Sora has to change fate to save everyone from darkness. And KH3 even even states
"And so, as foretold, darkness prevails and light expires"
And even Xehanort and Eraqus knows this is a telling of even their future. In the "The Gambit" scene.
3) Yes. The 2 Sora's are for their to be revelations of what was happening in the background of KH3(base). But Sora in RE:Mind is Sora post defeating Xehanort regardless. Thus he is still beneath the No Name keyblade in the form of the X~blade. So since RE:Mind is explaining all the loose ends. Why is both Sora's show to be having their respective battles at the same time? Master Xehanort(true form) hands down his keyblade. Even in supporting material the Xehanort in RE:Mind is established to be a phantom. Why would it have the real No Name?
3.5) Some of you guys are taking the word "fake" too hyper-literally. I'm not saying the keyblade gone morph into a stick. Or Xehanort gave Luxu a 3d print out of the No Name. It is a keyblade, it works like a keyblade. But it's a copy of the No Name. Sora has the real thing. Ever since Days we've known that keyblades can have working copies. That are not the real keyblades but have all their properties and abilities. However, it seems Sora has specifically the No Name that can feed information back to the Master of Masters and that is why he's now in unreality. Whereas before he said I "saw a glimpse."
@@AMAZIAH point 1 I was talking about how you said "the master didn't appear with the fortellers" when Luxu meets them. I wouldn't think he would. He could, but I don't see a reason for him to.
Point 2, I don't think the timeline contradicts my claim. Luxu doesn't leave till after the keybkade war is over, and that doesn't really have anything to do with my point. The master dissapears for 2 reasons.
1. To travel to the future at any point in time via Luxu, No Name and rhe Book of Prophecies.
2. To visit Unreality in order to fufill some purpose for his plan (since we see him get there before Sora).
@@AMAZIAH I'm confused as to what you're trying to point out about the two Soras. The original Sora before he goes and saves Kairi gets the X-blade which was a combination of all of the No Names that Xehanort got from the clash. I don't think any of those No Names are necessarily fake. That same sora uses the power of waking to assist everyone as a spirit. He's basically operating in something similar to the realm of Sleep (like Kairi in MoM, or like Riku in DDD). Everything he faces there is a mix of him intervening in the original fights/hearts and manifestations of things in his heart (Xehanort has kingdom hearts, he can manifest anywhere - plus he's connected to Sora). Are you saying that this Phantom Xehanort is where Luxu gets No Name from?
3.5 I'm just saying that I'd think that the gazing eye would function the same regardless of which No Name is used. I also don't think any of the other No Names leaves Xehanort though, they're always with him as the X-blade. The ones that the Xehanort clones use are duplicates of the ones he has (Armored Xehanort, everything that the guardians of light fights, etc). So are you saying that the one defeated by Sora and co when he says "my friends are my power" is where Luxu gets the keyblade from?
@sonic4life when did we see the Master of Masters get to unreality before Sora? From what we know he appears to get there at the same time as Sora.
My point was that the Master didn't actually disappear at all. He lied.
When he's done giving the roles to the Foretellers. He's watching them from a secret room in Daybreak town. Luxu meets with him until, perhaps, when he meets Ava again.
He tells Ava the truth. They clash the keyblade war begins. PC witnesses the war. And so does Luxu. The tellings of the future ends with Xehanort's keyblade war. When Terranort kills everyone.
Yeah I think it's at the very least "safe" to say we havent heard the last of Xehanort. Not only is the whole deal with Young Xehanort quite strange at times (hes teasing Sora a lot for example), but when Xehanort was Ansems Apprentice he had this whole research going on about Unreality. There is a lot to discover still and I am curious where Nomura is heading with that in mind and Luxu/the MoM on top of that. It would fit the "Masterplanner" Xehanort if he just acted dumb when it comes to Luxu, just like he did. And Nomura loves Xehanort (fav character), that's another no small funfact to consider as well! It would be pretty rough to trick someone like Luxu to that extend tho, like if he cant even tell if its the real thing or not for having had the keyblade over decades and perhaps centuries at that point. But I certainly like your idea 💜
This is definitely not something I’ve seen before but it wouldn’t be out of character for Xahanort to pull that off I just don’t understand how
Remember in Days when Xion creates a sham version of the Kingdom Key? I believe its the same thing here with the "No Name" Xehanort leaves for Luxu. Thus Sora has ample time to realize he is the wielder of the Xblade. Remember Data Xehanort tells Kiari he purposefully made Sora disappear. Thus he went to unreality where Luxord and Brain are. Xemnas said Luxord is tied to the keyblade. And Yozora for some reason can wield Sora's kingdom key.
So Xehanort has some long game plan he's playing. They even add in remind how Xehanort remembers the M.o.M and now knows "What it is he's meant to do."
Sora in bequeth the weapon while in Xs heart. Second the same keyblade can show up in an exact point and see itself. Even the keyblade work on the premises of time. For example both terranort and old Xehanort weilded noname. You also have the addition on a split timeline of events from when sora commits the taboo. Finally based you also have the fact that keyblades are formed based off a heart of someone or something. Keyblade of hearts was based off the 7 princess. The xblade is based of 13 lights and darks. The Defender is tide to daybreak towns worlds heart. The scala ad caelum we see is a memory of the world before it was changed by eraqus. This is why we see 2 versions of scala ad caelum, day break town and we get to see aqua change land of departure into castle oblivion. They are all the same place. Being blue blood eraqus was told about the 4 darkness that were locked in digital daybreak town and when him and young xehanort had their fight he changed scala ad caelum to land of departure to ensure that xehanort would never get close to releasing darknesses by using the same master defender tied to that worlds heart. Luxu knows that his no name isnt a fake because the master of masters derived that keyblade from a heart. Given luxu had it for years he imprinted on it. The foretellers are not whole individual. Did anyone hear ever consider how riku got not 1 but 2 different keyblades of his own? Its because of a term similar to the "soul of a blade". As we know, nobodies gain hearts of their own in time. What people also fail to consider is that another namine given ties to both sora and kairi be actually alive now could also be a weilder.
As we have also seen in union cross a person can upgrade and change the appearance of their keyblade over time. Consider that both eraqus and xehanort use keyblades that were passed down and not their own. Because these bladeses carry the souls and abilities of their previous users.
This is also why the keyblades helped sora with the giant darkness tonado in kh3 ending.
Can you give me a better understanding of the first sentence. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Wow what a crazy theory!! Yea this is a totally brand new theory I’ve never seen before! It’s very possible it could very well be true! Mind blowing!
I dont get how no one else saw this to be the case. When RE:Mind released.
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Somewhat counter theory, It's not a fake as keyblades could potentionally all become the X-blade. It just morphs into the true Keyblade and its like a possession. Where the possessor takes the possesses body but its appearance is retained as the possessor, so it's like a more cinematic swapping of places. But since technically another weilder of No name exists then it returns to him instead. And when the new true keyblade was forged and handed to sora and as Xehanort dies the no name returns to the graveyard as all current owners are nonexistent anymore.
We don't know if anyone can pick up the forgotten keys in the graveyard or if only old masters of that key can weild it.
We also aren't quite sure of the Base form of all Keyblades yet. As the chainitaelf alters its appearance and proficiency.
I don't think kweve seen a unkeychained Key yet.
Im work so this is a rushed job.
The only keychainless keyblades we saw were at the graveyard, but as we are gifted Keychains the Keychain could be the essence of a world's heart itself that a strong hearted person can manifest
And what if the keyblade graveyard is just a fated battlefield of all keyblade warriors, and nor the result of the X war but the first war between light and dark that MOM was talking about seeing when he was a child. And those are the true keyblades for each world since they don't have Keychain, and the Keychain call upon the powers of the original.
Or maybe the Keychain is destroyed when the weilder dies leading to the Keyblade remaining in said state.
But I'd like to believe that anything given a certain Keychain of value and importance transforms said weapon into a keyblade, as the wooden sword in KH1 transformed into the keyblade twice iirc.
What about when BBS X blade incomplete when Vanitas wielded it from Void Gears transformation
That one was shattered
Quick question for you, if Riki got the kingdom key like he was supposed to,do you think that Sora would have still played a key role?
Yes. Sora still has the heart based powers we've seen through the series
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this theory is pretty good you lowkey cooked!
Makes sense
what happened to HMK??
What you mean? I just watched his Luxord video last week.
hmmm interesting
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