PGE has been tapping my powerwall the last five days straight with these vpp events during the heatwave. A couple years ago during another heatwave they had lots of rolling blackouts. It seems like this heatwave is even stronger, but so far no blackouts. It's kind of cool to be part of the solution!
Totally agree. Just wish pge mentioned that to the public instead of acting as if their messages to the public to use less electricity actually work lol
The fed rate is already back to 30%. Both for solar and battery. Bidirectional for the EV, to the grid. That will allow the car to help the grid in an event. And car batteries are much bigger than powerwall
We joined the VPP also with PGE. During the heat wave our 3 powerwall system got used for the entire week. I think we were earning about $60 per day from PGE. Payment is $2/kWh and the peak cost is $0.58/kWh, so it was a nice bonus to be helping the grid from going down and not needing as much from the very expensive and dirty peaker plants.
Green Mountain Power in Vermont/New Hampshire has thousands of powerwalls on a VPP. Zach and Jesse of Now you Know have part of a VPP with their powerwalls in the Boston area. Japan just started a VPP with 300 or so. Then there is Australia VPP South Australia and Victoria, with thousands of powerwalls.
This is a very unusual event; we may have had something like 20 hours over the last 5 years that we did not have enough energy to keep all the lights on. There was no problem charging cars midday or after 9 pm.
I know there was a plan back in the 70s to become energy independent using nuclear power and it was crushed. Cant beat nuclear. We could have been set for generations.
A Tesla powered by coal is cleaner than an ICE car powered by petroleum. Large coal plants are more efficient than car engines. Not that coal is that good, but ICE cars are that bad. I did not realize how bad ICE cars are until I saw the LA air during the shutdown. There were still cars driving, but there were not as many of them.
Like many people, I watched coverage of Tesla's VPP events with interest. I did think paying participants $2•00/Kwh was exceptionally generous & how was this even remotely possible on the part of Tesla and PG&E. But after thinking about it a little bit longer, I'm guessing that this is a real-time demonstration of just how expensive gas peaker plants are to run if they can afford to give participants such a high return.
How long before we start to see, not just in the USA but around the world, a legislatively mandated requirement for EV's to have V2G functionality as part of the inevitable distributed grid expansion? It's not just a distributed generation capability that is necessary, it's storage too. Being able to aggregate all these various sources of storage into a VPP as Tesla amongst others are doing is a critical factor to overall success.
Some constructive criticism. The video title is confusing. Aiding implies helping, and grammatically the title says that VPPs are aiding 'the crisis' - that implies making the crisis worse. Two, the title issue is not even addressed until around 8 minutes in - and even then we have to really listen closely to determine if this is a good thing. it becomes more clear as the video progresses, but it's not clear from the outset. So say the wall is a good thing up front, address it early in the video, and say it's a good thing (and then explain how and why). Just FYI. Harder to do if streaming live, but something to consider.
Given the profit opportunity in this scale of energy arbitrage, maybe Tesla should consider self-financing the installation of PowerWalls in homes, similar to how SolarCity used to install panels with no money down. OTOH, given the degree of discomfort and inconvenience of these rolling brownouts, my guess is they'll have trouble keeping up with demand, with or without financing. Either way, we're going to see a huge spike in both solar and battery deployment over the next few years.
Elon has indicated he expects to make more from energy services than automotive. So he can act as a VPP, and a retail electricity provider in Texas already. He has to drive down the cost of powerwalls. Then he is able to sell electricity.
I don’t think PG&E admonishes the public to avoid using electric clothes dryers and ovens during 4-9 pm because they use similar power to EV chargers. During heat waves, use your BBQ grill. I wonder how many CA homes allow the utility to disable electric hot water heaters during 4-9 pm. Florida Power & Light has that capability and I’m amazed how much much money we make every year.
Would be nice to discuss where to go to start researching a system for your house. I see so many adds for solar but do not want to attempt to filter out the best vendors.
Solar is a huge investment. Add a battery or two and the investment is even larger. The only way to do it is threefold: (1) get local solar people out and take bids; and, (2) get national (internet) bids, too. They Google your house, look at it, and run their bids from there; or (3) both. I did both. Huge investment, right? No, chart out there saying, “Cheapest”, right? Bids can vary widely. WILDLY. So you have to be patient, research all the parts, and know what the bid involves. For example, I went with Canadian Solar panels (Chinese), Enphase microinverters, and 2 Tesla Powerwalls. I wound up going with a national outfit, not local, due to cost. Some bids were over 6 figures. GTFO of here! Last year the tax credit was only 26%; this year 30%. With my EV, I have no gasoline, no oil, and no electric bill (grid connection fee = $15/mo in TX). I care less about the price of gasoline and I’m insulated from increasing home electric bills or rolling blackouts (theme of this video). So, my investment winds up at $385/mo for 20 years (since I applied the tax credit to my income tax liability). My payment would have been something like $240/mo if I gave the credit to the finance company. Anyhow, I’m pleased with my investment. As for you, do your due diligence (research and multiple vendors), or … do it or don’t do it and you’re screwed either way. Put another way, so far as I can tell, nobody can spoon feed you your “answer”. If you’re not will to spend 30-50 hours running bids, then you’re trusting to dumb luck, with emphasis on the word “dumb”.
If we could only go nuclear. Those batteries are terrible for the environment and the poor children who are being exploited overseas to get the materials.
Thanks for having me Sean. Hope this is helpful to others.
My pleasure! Really appreciate your time and insight!
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PGE has been tapping my powerwall the last five days straight with these vpp events during the heatwave. A couple years ago during another heatwave they had lots of rolling blackouts. It seems like this heatwave is even stronger, but so far no blackouts. It's kind of cool to be part of the solution!
Totally agree. Just wish pge mentioned that to the public instead of acting as if their messages to the public to use less electricity actually work lol
Great to see you back.
🙌 thanks!
The fed rate is already back to 30%.
Both for solar and battery.
Bidirectional for the EV, to the grid. That will allow the car to help the grid in an event. And car batteries are much bigger than powerwall
We joined the VPP also with PGE. During the heat wave our 3 powerwall system got used for the entire week. I think we were earning about $60 per day from PGE. Payment is $2/kWh and the peak cost is $0.58/kWh, so it was a nice bonus to be helping the grid from going down and not needing as much from the very expensive and dirty peaker plants.
$2 a kilowatt hour is a great deal! That's like 15 times the consumer rate!
Green Mountain Power in Vermont/New Hampshire has thousands of powerwalls on a VPP.
Zach and Jesse of Now you Know have part of a VPP with their powerwalls in the Boston area.
Japan just started a VPP with 300 or so.
Then there is Australia VPP South Australia and Victoria, with thousands of powerwalls.
THANKS SEAN 🤗…SHOWING THIS IS THE FUTURE AND WHY 🤔💚💚💚
why are all utilities allergic to planning for the future? are they inept? or just put things off until they retire, celebrating their ineptitude?
Being blind to disruptive technologies is a common problem for "large orginizations."
This is a very unusual event; we may have had something like 20 hours over the last 5 years that we did not have enough energy to keep all the lights on. There was no problem charging cars midday or after 9 pm.
I know there was a plan back in the 70s to become energy independent using nuclear power and it was crushed. Cant beat nuclear. We could have been set for generations.
A Tesla powered by coal is cleaner than an ICE car powered by petroleum. Large coal plants are more efficient than car engines. Not that coal is that good, but ICE cars are that bad. I did not realize how bad ICE cars are until I saw the LA air during the shutdown. There were still cars driving, but there were not as many of them.
Like many people, I watched coverage of Tesla's VPP events with interest. I did think paying participants $2•00/Kwh was exceptionally generous & how was this even remotely possible on the part of Tesla and PG&E. But after thinking about it a little bit longer, I'm guessing that this is a real-time demonstration of just how expensive gas peaker plants are to run if they can afford to give participants such a high return.
How long before we start to see, not just in the USA but around the world, a legislatively mandated requirement for EV's to have V2G functionality as part of the inevitable distributed grid expansion? It's not just a distributed generation capability that is necessary, it's storage too. Being able to aggregate all these various sources of storage into a VPP as Tesla amongst others are doing is a critical factor to overall success.
Man I want solar and powerwalls so bad. The problem is that I don't have a house and don't really want one either!
Get it installed in a van
van life
Some constructive criticism. The video title is confusing. Aiding implies helping, and grammatically the title says that VPPs are aiding 'the crisis' - that implies making the crisis worse. Two, the title issue is not even addressed until around 8 minutes in - and even then we have to really listen closely to determine if this is a good thing. it becomes more clear as the video progresses, but it's not clear from the outset. So say the wall is a good thing up front, address it early in the video, and say it's a good thing (and then explain how and why). Just FYI. Harder to do if streaming live, but something to consider.
I wouldn't mind helping if they allow me to charge my battery from the grid with no limitation from PGE.
Given the profit opportunity in this scale of energy arbitrage, maybe Tesla should consider self-financing the installation of PowerWalls in homes, similar to how SolarCity used to install panels with no money down. OTOH, given the degree of discomfort and inconvenience of these rolling brownouts, my guess is they'll have trouble keeping up with demand, with or without financing. Either way, we're going to see a huge spike in both solar and battery deployment over the next few years.
Elon has indicated he expects to make more from energy services than automotive.
So he can act as a VPP, and a retail electricity provider in Texas already.
He has to drive down the cost of powerwalls. Then he is able to sell electricity.
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I don’t think PG&E admonishes the public to avoid using electric clothes dryers and ovens during 4-9 pm because they use similar power to EV chargers. During heat waves, use your BBQ grill.
I wonder how many CA homes allow the utility to disable electric hot water heaters during 4-9 pm. Florida Power & Light has that capability and I’m amazed how much much money we make every year.
the back round is too white
Sean get a Tan or change the background to something darker
even a bit grey so there is contrast
Would be nice to discuss where to go to start researching a system for your house. I see so many adds for solar but do not want to attempt to filter out the best vendors.
Solar is a huge investment. Add a battery or two and the investment is even larger.
The only way to do it is threefold: (1) get local solar people out and take bids; and,
(2) get national (internet) bids, too. They Google your house, look at it, and run their bids from there; or
(3) both. I did both. Huge investment, right? No, chart out there saying, “Cheapest”, right?
Bids can vary widely. WILDLY. So you have to be patient, research all the parts, and know what the bid involves. For example, I went with Canadian Solar panels (Chinese), Enphase microinverters, and 2 Tesla Powerwalls. I wound up going with a national outfit, not local, due to cost.
Some bids were over 6 figures. GTFO of here! Last year the tax credit was only 26%; this year 30%.
With my EV, I have no gasoline, no oil, and no electric bill (grid connection fee = $15/mo in TX).
I care less about the price of gasoline and I’m insulated from increasing home electric bills or rolling blackouts (theme of this video).
So, my investment winds up at $385/mo for 20 years (since I applied the tax credit to my income tax liability). My payment would have been something like $240/mo if I gave the credit to the finance company.
Anyhow, I’m pleased with my investment. As for you, do your due diligence (research and multiple vendors), or … do it or don’t do it and you’re screwed either way.
Put another way, so far as I can tell, nobody can spoon feed you your “answer”. If you’re not will to spend 30-50 hours running bids, then you’re trusting to dumb luck, with emphasis on the word “dumb”.
@@randycrownover5580 Thanks for taking the time to write an informative reply. Found EnergySage, Plans and estimates are flowing in.
Square miles of batteries?
This is inaccurate.
Moss Landing battery outputs the same power for a couple hours as a nuclear power plant
Solar. Install solar. Add a battery or two and good to go.
30% tax credit, too.
If we could only go nuclear. Those batteries are terrible for the environment and the poor children who are being exploited overseas to get the materials.
The batteries are LFP, no nickel, no cobalt. the batteries recycle at a profit.