LGBT in Poland: I still can't be myself - BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Large parts of Poland were labelled "LGBT-free zones", where regional governments, as well as smaller councils, declared they were against LGBT ideology or ideologies that “undermine” the family.
Now, provinces have started to backtrack after the EU said it would freeze funds.
But has anything really changed for LGBT people in those areas?
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Strongly one sided material. This is not the reality in Poland.
Bbc is biased wokeness
Then what's the reality
@@danielrobinson2861 they think that Poland is being strongly homophobic
@@shamanbhattacharyya9285 Only our goverment is homophobic not all country the video is 50 procent truth and 50 lies
Polskofobiczny materiał. Brak obiektywizmu i zgłębienia tematu.
Stay strong Poland. Don't back down
poo in a land
My jesteśmy silni.
A wy zachód, to jak tam u was?
Some of us don’t back prides, but we would be really horrified if they end up being beaten up, segregated, killed etc.
@DrumStix source: trust me bro!
@@BartekSychterz You Christians are stuck in the middle ages.
You can't force other countries views on others just because of money. UK left EU for that reason. It needs to natural change or the hate will grow.
@hennessy 34989 no really. I voted no to brexit and I am OK with it now. Most people who vote no has accepted the decision and moved on.
Gay people have always been there and in the UK my God there are tons of them 🤣 keep jamming that Elton John we can hear it through the closet walls
@@ABanRocks I mean, you're okay with your decision, but you can't possibly speak for an entire nation. I've seen people express regret after they realised what Brexit actually meant and the actual repercussions of the decision. COVID is covering up the actual fallout and compounding it as well. When the dust clears, people will have a better sense of the true impact.
As for the propaganda, yeah that was a real thing. People with certain agendas pumped up Brexit for their own gains and people bought into it, not fully realising that the promises made were for the most part kinda hollow since exiting the EU doesn't actually mean you fully stop payment and immediately get control of your borders, and immediately iron out stuff with fishing and trade etc.
It’s not just about money
@hennessy 34989 English Channel makes us separate. We were free from federalism by other nations
I'm from Russia, I don't understand these values at all. I'm not against LGBT people!!! But I don't want my children to be told from all sides that boy-boy sex is good... I want my child to be protected from LGBT propaganda!!! The total majority of Russians think so! And our government is on the side of the majority, for which it is regularly criticized by Western media:) What's wrong? Does democracy mean that the minority must obey the majority? Why does 0.001% have the right to violate the rights of others?
Guess ur calm like jorg meuthen (tho one who left the weird party) Btw I prefer friends only than intimate. The modern sex education covered all sexualities, sex drives etc (great tv series for U.K.)
No one is asking for it to be portrayed as “good” just to be portrayed as normal.
The government of Russia sides with the majority so much so it arrests thousands of them for protesting the Ukrainian war.
@@StartsWithACee this is 1% of the marginal society. How can you go out with a poster to stop the war against fascism? The United States and NATO countries staged a real fascist regime from Ukraine (as in Germany under Hitler). And under the full approval of the hypocritical West, they staged a real genocide against Russians in Ukraine. Ukraine is a native Russian land, with separatist actions in the 90s they created their own state. And after the armed coup in 2014, the entire government became pro-American puppets. In Ukraine, all media outlets that could provide information different from the government's point of view were immediately turned off. Mass repressions of all those who disagree with the American occupation began. Nazi battalions did things that the state could not officially do, such as torture, murder, etc. All these 8 years, the NATO gang has been actively arming Ukraine, hundreds of tons of weapons have been delivered... NATO instructors, etc. This is a NATO war against Russia by the hands of Ukrainians. Ukraine has a 0% chance of winning, but for NATO, Ukrainians are meat for solving geopolitical interests and weakening Russia. So those who are coming out now with posters saying "no to war" are accomplices of fascism. In the EU, 99% of people simply do not know what Ukraine is and the essence of the conflict (they were misinformed in the media), and those who come out with posters in Russia - they know everything, but in most cases they make such speeches for money. The United States spends from 2 to 5 billion dollars a year on propaganda in Russia... (sponsoring the media, bloggers, activists, shooting incorrect historical films, etc.). 90% of citizens are in favor of these people with posters not just being fined, but given long prison terms.
Imagine basing your society on how an individual feels.
True!!!
Its the end of the world and I feel fine.~REM
would collapse as house of cards in no time.
Majority rule and democracy are not the same thing.
The EU is not going to become the USSR for Poland.
Anarchy
There is a lot of LGBT community members here in Poland that vote for far-right parties. They say that left-wing has no common sense and they condemn gaudy behave of LGBT activist as they portray whole group in a caricatual way.
Of course. Whatever it takes not to be the ones to get the shove at the next ID march or whatever so trying desperately to make peace with neo-Nazis, seeing as these seem to run the show in Poland now.
There were Jews like that in Germany, too, who hailed Hitler and denounced their fellow Jewish "traitors" and 'bolshevists". Didn't save them from the chambers.
Did you know that back in the day when suffragettes were fighting for the right for women to vote there were some females who were against getting the right... Doesn't make sense now, but they existed regardless. I would probably classify these LGBT far-right voters similarly.
@@maszlagma Right, it may be caused by conformity or Stockholm syndrome in some cases but the main reason behind this is lack of noteworty left-wing parties with interesting and rational programme suited for Polish society.
@@GrzegorzKent Let me guess: "suited for Polish society" means "the right to exist as long as they don't make themselves known"?
Some people say that the current abortion law is, too, "suited for Polish society". Thing is, you probably don't want the fringest of the fringe to dictate what should be suitable for all the rest. And the fringest of the fringe is sadly the incumbent government.
Smart gay people vote for parties on the right because they realize that the political left is in cahoots with the one imported growing segment of the population that REALLY has a problem with LGBTQ people.
LGBBC News.
"all the latest innovations in racism and homosexuality 24/7"
I'm Extremely Proud of my Country.
What difference between you and nazists then? NONE!
Łącze się z tobą w tej dumie bracie
@@mistycloud4455 what
Your country is savage
@@billfarlo3366 No, the former ruling party was
You cant get arrested for being LGBTQ, BUT dont expect everyone in the world to pat you on the back and say your amazing
_Sure but dont rub it on my face_
@@Cray-wilder well you have no problem rubbing your sexuality in everyones face, have you ever thought that people wouldnt care if you didnt try and force it on people?
@@spawn6636 What a stupidity.... Unbelievable that people can't think in this way... Luckily not everyone
@@drvr2499 it's a fact
@@spawn6636 it's bulshit. Instead of believing in some crazy stories from book written couple centuries ago, people could better concentrate on the reality and be adequate
Poland is a legendary country.
Not really
Why
Go there first then see if you still think the same
Poland is nice, but their current government is trash.
@@_o..o_1871 they don’t want to sell out their heritage (with some traditional religious) but now we are watching something much deeper.
The 1% should not be allowed to dictate to us all
Spent to much time on r/showerthoughts
@Deas Yrtu you don’t know what half of those words mean
@@sanjaymandal6572 wrong
You mean the 1% should not dictate that the rest should not discriminate against them? They said something similar in the US a few decades ago when black people wanted to end the discrimination against them too.
Let the paedophile in the priesthood rule you.
Democracy is not just majority rule. Try Russia, you'll like it.
if they would mind their own business like everybody else instead of annoying people with their parades, making lgbt their whole personality, blocking roads, making noise for no reason then maybe people would be more positive towards them.
That makes them most annoying people
If the Christians would mind their own business like everybody else instead of annoying people with their religion, making christianity their whole identity, blocking roads, telling others how to live their lives for no reason, then maybe people would be more positive towards them
@@greyhound6686 Yea no shit, theres lots of people who hate people talking about their religion all the time but i dont see them crying that atheists laugh at them and their religion and media making a big deal out of it.
Over 40 years ago Monty Python predicted this ruclips.net/video/4b6-oE55vdM/видео.html
@@greyhound6686 why do you feel its necessary for the whole world to know who you go to bed with?
Poland's still one of the most based countries in the world
Ccp china: xexe
Indeed (saying this as a proud pole)
along with russia
@@pog2824 👊🏻 based
Funny how people from these “based” countries want to live
in the west not the other way around
There's streets in Sydney where shops have their windows smashed if they DON'T display the rainbow flag.
@Follow the howl Of course you cannot you aren't in Sydney. Media is not going to launch all these wrongdoings these dull leftist socialists are doing all over the world
@@giorgitatarashvili3875 If there is no proof then they shouldn't have claimed it in the first place. It is very easy to lie, and some people choose to believe it because it matches their preexisting beliefs.
What an obvious lie
Yeah, like who are the haters down there?
@@quagstar "if the hegemonic structures don't reveal it to my face, it's not true"
HAHA THEYRE DELETING COMMENTS THEY DISLIKE 🤣🤣🤣 THATS FASCISM!!
No, thats capitalism.
@@wolfmaster0579 Yeah that works to!
No, that's modern society🙄
i feel like you don’t quite understand facism
@@pickles9414 isnt it to force a certain ideology on to a nation...... like I dont know.......LGBTQ+ 🤔
Respect Poland ✊I am not against people with a different orientation, I am against propaganda🏳️🌈❌❌
Our world is collapsing, people loosing jobs, money, energy prices going up, food, accomodation, homelessness and he can't be himself.
I'm sick of it.
Do you have a girlfriend/wife?
Or boyfriend if you are a girl?
If yes, do you often hide and restrain yourself on order to not show that you are emotionally connected to your significant other?
This is a problem that when we add to problems mentioned by you, only makes life much harder.
STOP HOMOPROPAGANDA ✝️✝️✝️
SUPPORT POLAND AGAINST MULTINACIONAL CAPITALIST AGRESSION✝️✝️✝️✝️
Homopropaganda lmao
“We’re coming for your Children.”
-Gay choir.
Yep true 👍
@Britannic General I actually watched the original music video. It was actually a satirical project meant to poke fun at Rightard anti-gay propaganda. I know that many religious conservatives aren’t especially skilled at abstract critical thought, so I just thought I’d clear that up.
@@trackerjacker5467 That is what they all say...but lets be honest. If I sang a song, "we are coming for your transgender children", I am absolutely sure the entire LGBTQ community would blow up with range, even if I defended it as satire. Isnt that hypocritical?
Poland sold its own children for financial aid from the EU
@@trackerjacker5467 that’s funny because people get canceled over jokes they make in the past, but all of a sudden it’s okay if the gays do it. Hypocrisy
Poland sounds like a great place to live. 🇵🇱
lived there for half a year. beautiful country, beautiful culture.
Wypierdalaj. No its not
Stop LGBT
@@twojaStara698 it is
Full of nazists that wants to kill minorities.
STOP forcing that LGBT to another countries
No
@@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385 Ok🙂
@@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385😂
Bollocks focusing on crap focus on the things that matter, like jobs and education. If you are homosexual so be it don’t need to shout about it
Also don't have to shout against it
i’ve seen three comments of yours now. it seems you’re projecting you internalised homophobia onto others. wanna talk about it bb?
All of this started mostly because the government shouted against LGBT first
@@karu4115 : ohh it wasn’t deleted. Not that bothered I certainly don’t think it’s normal I just there are bigger fish to fry. Poland has its own culture, Western Europe has there own but this EU project started as an ally block against threats of war now its turning into a ideologue boss
Then give them equal rights, they don't have anything to shout about then.
It will forever fascinate me how the west will create problems when they're board and then start validating feelings when there is still many actual real problems they need to overcome, like poverty and health care and education and their justice systems also the gangs. Just a few to say the least.
Decadence of western civilisation
It will always fascinate me how some humans like you want so bad to invalidate lived experiences just because you guys hate certain people.
@@_o..o_1871 exactly
@@_o..o_1871 lgbtq ideology = Nazi ideology it should be terminated
Yeah, why did they had to end slavery when there were poor countrymen out there... First we've gotta make more slaves so that all of our country men are not poor and not hungery, then, we can talk about second class humans
Why do people have so much to say about how other people live their lives. Can't people just focus on themselves
Fine by me unless it's effect my way of life and my family.
@@pavolkocis7456 just wondering how people being LGB.... Affects you and your family
Straight guy from a non Backwards country asking. In South Africa of all places.
@@12334ttqtqt Happened in Spain when I was in holiday trying to get back to the hotel and I know the parade was taking place in the plaza but no the lgbtq had to spread all over the town with their fancy pants and so on. Literally covered my kids eyes and running to the hotel.
@@pavolkocis7456 Oh my god, I'm so glad you got away safely. Can't have those pesky homosexuals turning your kid gay...
@@pavolkocis7456 How does gay people existing pose a threat to your children? You're putting them at a disadvantage by not preparing them for the real world, some people are gay get over it.
Leave our children out if it
How is anyone after your child can you explain?
@@albilu9660 just do your research and look at what they are teaching in schools now days
@@earth6161 No, all i see are drama, no clear info just screams, I want to hear a parent or a student tell me precisely what was taught to them.
If it's something foreceful am against, if it's something non obligatory and vague mostly for lgbt kids themselves, i see no problem.
@@albilu9660 I'm a parent of 4 so do your research before acting like you know I'm not here to convince or baby feed you what's going on that FACT is it's going on every where so go educate yourself so you can make a more informed opinion instead of guessing
@@earth6161 I in fact am asking because i don't know, nor have any opinion on something i have 0 idea of. But since you know, go ahead tell me what you mean. Since you seem to already know. Also my country doesn't have it. So am genuenly interested of this scary dangerous information. Unless you are lying and there is nothing there.
Only thing i saw was "teach no to bully your lgbt classmates" and "sex education"
As a Polish, I am proud of my country
Its sad that so many Polish people don't support human rights, you should be kicked out of NATO.
@@kolbybrown1775 no
Polish person *
And, I love Poland more than my own country
same here bro
Maybe ppl in Poland don't want unnecessary drama like we saw in Canada. I don't agree with movements trying to enforce their special law. Legislating never ending list of pronouns for example would be disaster for freedom of speech. And what about trying to weasel gender ideology to public schools? Kids don't do much critical thinking, so it's easy to sway their beliefs by just playing on their emotions and telling them what is true. Schools aren't for teaching political correctness. So... What these LGBT people exactly want from goverment? It's a little hard to understand for me.
Which special law do they want? Pretty sure they just want things like marriage, which everyone else already has.
@Robert S Okay, they organize it themselves, how is this a special law? Pride month isn't law anywhere, what is your point? Also, who says national pride is bad? I'm Bi and I'm very patriotic and definitely more on the conservative side. You're just making assumptions about millions of people, thinking they all share the same opinions.
They want to not be banned from 1/4 of the country?
@Robert S I am not for changing language or putting it on straight people, but I would want to not be beaten up, fired and have people insult me. It's a very basic need.
Teaching in school might be useful for lgbt kids, not for converting straight kids. How to protect yourself, are there psychologist available for your situation.
There are kids absolutely confused and mutilate themselves or end up in dangerous situations because they get thrown out of homes or don't know how to handle themselves. These are realistic problems.
These things could be taught for example like a simple sex education lesson that is not obligatory and just informative for ones who need it. (thats the most i can think about the school involvement)
You should know that in many countries LGBT people can't marry, adopt each other children and are facing physical and mental violence.
I have no clue what is going on in US or Canada, since a white male now is automatically an oppressor. Everything has a line, Thing is that most countries don't have even basics.
@@Sul227 Poland italy and many other countries forbid lgbt marriage, it's not US, hate crimes are ok here. That's the point. Their partner's child is forbidden to be adopted.
Neo nazi groups target these people, beat them up, some do kill.
Poland doesn't have any rights repressive to LGBT community, it's not illegal to be gay here. We just protect family having fundamental meaning for future of the society. We don't want to be like current Western world where marriage lost its goal. We won't treat man like a woman just because he said that he feels like a woman, we want to stay normal in this case.
This is actually a bad thing. Poland should accept the fact that every human being is free. Accepting the fact that we all are different is the main key to understanding other people and creating a better world. You should know that everyone has their own life. If someone wants to marry their partner who is the same sex, they should be allowed because they are *free*. It’s absolutely bad that Poland hasn’t allowed LGBT people to get married even though it’s a democratic, free and highly developed country.
@@xxxmxxwm1564 Firstly, freedom cannot be unlimited, it's just impossible. People are limited for example by the laws of physics (like gravity) and biology. Modern people want to remove these borders but it's impossible, if someone being a man feels like a woman he is still a man just like if he feels like a dog than he isn't a dog. In civilization people need to have both rights and obligations and we have to understand it if we want to survive.
@@antekg1036 By freedom, I mean the ability to express yourself without being oppressed, disrespected and abused. We have rights and obligations in the society which are necessary, it is just bizarre to me that people think that oppressing LGBT will lead to anything good.
@@antekg1036 What you are saying is a very esence of every toalitarian facist movment. This claim that individual must be subjected to norms and customs enforced by the society.
@@antekg1036 "where marriage lost its goal" I'm pretty sure everyone chooses their goals as an individual, not a group. Is marriage something you do in a group? or is it more of the thing you have with the significant other? Come on...
Why are you comparing something as simple as CHOICE to choose who you sleep without being frowned upon to "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE LAWS OF PHYSICS". It only proves how politically brainwashed you have become, to the point you think the whole thing is not a matter of perspective or choice, but something you absolutely need to live by and obey. That's a dangerous mentality.
You can do what you like as long as you don't hurt children. Just don't force it down my throat and don't get outraged when I don't use the correct terminology.
I'm sorry for being gay is that makes your child had to experience the agony of pain just because I'm showing my existence for attracted the same gender
@@sweetpotato5535 she is just saying live and let live. Why you try to guilttrip her? I hope you find peace within, I truly do. You know, trying to change everyone else's value and behaviour is not going to change your feelings. You and only you are in control of your feelings.
@@peacefulnatural why homophobic always bring up childern out of this as if we are hurting them for just being exists? do you think we're punching them on their face or what? if anything LGBT kids exist and it's always those straights who always hurt them in schools
I'm not homophobic and physical abuse is one of many forms of abuse
@@bigports then what are u worrying about? u talked as if we gay ppl are smashing their head whenever we find childern. like wtf are u on?
People have a right to be Gay without harassment or discrimination. People also have the right to reject Gayness, there is no need to advertise and promote Gayness. Gayness is a personal preference, just because the vast majority of people in Poland rejects Gayness, don't need to claim false victimhood. A vast majority of Polish people support LGBTQ rights, but if you go around promoting it to a traditional Catholic country, of course they will reject Gayness.
Funny how many of these people don’t even live in Poland and think Poland deserves sanctions
Not all lgbt are excessive feminists etc
Nobody that is gay cares about some religious people hating them. You say they have a right to be gay without discrimination. The law is discriminatory, that is what they want to change.
@@Sul227 no one cares yet look at the comments ßltching about it
@@darklord7069 Probably because the religious people don't let them live their lives. Why can't religious people do what makes them happy and gay people do what makes them happy? Religious people don't need to marry a same sex partner and gay people don't need to pray, has literally no effect on other people's lives.
good thats why i love Poland
exactly.
What makes you love Poland
As a polish myself yes
im lithuanian and im proud of poland
You clowns really are running out of places to hide in. Not even Italy this shallow, and the VATICAN is there
W Poland
some teachers try and educate students more about what this flag stands for than to actually teach students how to be smart.
That's untrue
In a few months, I reckon they will need to change the flag🏳️🌈, just not enough stripes, they might also need to borrow some more letters from other languages. 26 is just not inclusive enough. atleast 30.
@@peacefulnatural the rainbow flag does represent all, also the letters are just fine. Stop being sarcastically dramatic
Flaga świń, nie znaczy nic.
and your comments just proves that you're definitely not smart. first of all, you can't teach someone how to be smart, you teach them how to learn. if you're intolerant af, get out, the world advances towards a more educated and tolerant society
W Polsce nikt nie prześladuje ludzi LGBT, znaleźliście sobie kozła ofiarnego któremu każdy może dokopac , incydenty zaś są w każdym państwie.
Translation - "In Poland, no one persecutes LGBT people, you have found a scapegoat that anyone can dig up, and incidents occur in every country."
"No one".
Well that's a lie.
Ok, if you think that Poland is LGBT friendly, just go to a city on the east side like Lublin/Białystok/Ostrów Mazowiecka ect. and start behaving (with your male friend) as if you were a standard couple having a date. In few minutes you will see how friendly Poland is. :)
What is more, polish government is trying to ban LGBT marches, as well as any public speaking about LGBT issues.
If they pass the law, you won't even be able to speak openly about LGBT people rights.
This is the right of free speech that Polish government tries to limit.
@@kamilpoter4022 understand that Poland is a catholic country and lgbt behavior is perceived as a sin just like the theft or beating someone. Can you accept it? Would you try to kiss your boyfriend in any of the Islamic countries? in Poland no one will kill you, only let you know that you should limit yourself in a public places.
You showing bunch of nonsense on this video
Learn from Poland about tolerance. EU, especially Germany has a lot to learn from Poland about dignity of other people, other races and respect for human right. Stop instructing Poland because your hypocrisy is sickening.
Poland is showing no tolerance
@@hopeintruth5119 our government and government puppies hate LGBT+. Most of us (atleast around my place of living) tolerate them however we hate insecure ones.
@Krzysztof Poczekaj it is still giving homophobia. But as long as you guys progress. It's the journey and destination to freedom and acceptance.
I can't be fully myself in the UK. Last time I spoke on the phone in my native language someone spat at me and we got into a fight. There are idiots everywhere...
@andrea ceglia Boris Johnsons accent, he got into a fight at Peppa pig world whilst eating a vEeGan sausage roll
Hahahahhaha
Ok, but this is systemic rather than an individual case of xenophobia.
@@tottalynotmark877 Meh, I'm gay and I lived in Poland for 5 years with absolutely zero issues and didn't hide my sexuality. Polish people aren't different to other people, the vast majority of them aren't interested in what other people do with their lives if it doesn't affect them, they're just doing their own thing, like everyone else. But the minority who do care are the ones you see on the news or on RUclips videos because it is more sensational and gets more views.
@@philbecker4676 I'm not talking about people, I'm talking about anti LGBTQ 'propaganda' laws...
Dear RUclips
I dont need to see the amount of dislikes to know its 400 likes to 4000 dislikes under this video
546 likes vs. 555 dislikes right now
More dislikes now
I still have dislikes visible (for some reason)
And it's 683 likes to 687 dislikes at this time
Update: 721 likes to 773 dislikes
744 likes against 755 dislikes
@Follow the howl Those extensions don't work the way you think. They use sorting based on the videos you like and dislike, the channels you follow, and the data of past similar videos to give you an estimate of the dislike count. That's why you see a count and some people may see a different one. The dislikes were removed from the API with which RUclips serves the app, these extensions probably harvest and sell your data to advertising companies and whatnot. Still, the fact that the dislike count of a video is the only argument you have against this says a lot about how empty your argument is
And in my opinion, when 2 guys what to be couple. For me is great, more girls for me :)
same here I come from 60k ppl city in eastern Poland and I know few gay guys... they are wealthy sometimes even famous barber or stuff. Only one of them was kind of failure but it wasnt caused by his sexuality but whole life attitude
Yes, and when you have sons, who become gay, how would you feel?
More girls for other people's sons?
@@simeonkostov3962 You're just a homophobic bigot. Theres nothing wrong with being gay. Theres nothing wrong with being trans. Theres nothing wrong with being into incest. Love is love..🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
@@scott6233 BIGOT
@@user-op8rg5ib2k INCEST?!??!? My gosh 🤣🤦♂️
Great, Poland government don't give up! Don't allow small group of people impact the children!
i never heard children turning gay by watching some random dudes holding hands......lol....
and u r talking about the children ryt....what about those children who are lgbtq....have u ever thought what they must be going through.......or r u just denying their existence? 🙂🙂
A distorted concept of fairness.
We had Martin Luther (fantastic man) who was standing up against separation of whites and Non whites, but blm (a woke group) is not like him.
why distorted?
Bbc brainwashing
Dude if you don't like the BBC turn off the news and find something you like why are you torturing yourself
Just my two cents, I lived for 5 years in small town Poland as a gay man (from the UK) and maybe I'm completely oblivious but I never actually encountered or saw any open homophobia aside from a few comments here and there. I knew loads of gay Polish people and they seemed happy enough and when they moved to bigger cities they lived quite normally. I mean yeah, it isn't a good idea to hold hands in public or run around with a rainbow flag, but 30 years ago in Spain you would have got your head kicked in for that, now it's one of the most LGBT tolerant countries in the world. I was fairly open about my sexuality, I didn't go announcing it to everyone I met but I didn't hide it either if anyone asked me, and nobody was bothered. I actually found the Poles generally very curious and surprisingly open minded considering the negative reputation they get in the West (especially after a drink) ANYWHO I still miss Poland and the Poles every day, a beautiful country with fantastic people ❤
Look. Your experience don’t mean anything if other gay folk aren’t being treated the same way you are. Its about recognition and respect. I love Poland and its people too but its government needs to change. They need to stop feeding the homophobic mindset and instead support people like you. This is not some my experience is good so its not important kind of thing. If you support gay rights, stand up for anyone who is marginalized.
@@RunwayIsAwesome Alright, don't bite my head off.
It's more about rubbing people's faces in it. If I walked around and got in people's faces every day yelling Im a straight white male and you should show me due respect you'd get pretty angry. Keep your sex life private or yeah you'll get backlash.
@@Corkfish1 Absolutely. I'll ask if I want to know about your private life, and I'll answer if you ask me, but otherwise whose business is it?
@@philbecker4676 Imagine if they had straight white male parades. The gay community would go absolutely ballistic with rage. Put the shoe on the other foot and you get a sense of why people push back.
DISLIKE BAR
seems biased to me
Mongol Army in baghdad siege was based.. Yazid was based in karbala
Opinion piece BBC, not news.
Generally, we are not that homophobic, we are just dont like activists.
respect poland
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Przez brak obiektywizmu autora nie można wyciągnąć własnych wniosków. Puenta narzucona przez "dziennikarza". Materiał pokazany z jednego punktu widzenia.
Poland is doing what many EU countries need to do very soon... Hats off to poland long live poland 🇵🇱🇵🇱
The BBC should do a middle East special lgbt alphabet Road show
There is a reason Poland is the best country in eu just saying.
Because they hate gays?
The “not letting people do their own business” really does add to the vibe
Whether it be someone who is homosexual or someone else who chooses to live life holistically without the medical industry... we have suddenly become a world where every thinks they can tell others how to live.
Welcome to a thing we call society
Even Winston Churchill was for lgbt rights
Isn't the government trying to tell LGBTQ+ people how to live by condemning their existence.
@@quagstar meanwhile in Germany, I read that jorg meuthen luckily left the seedy alternative for Germany party (that group is completely on crack, which it has been for a while now)
@@Jay_LapinDesBois Here's what you doing, projecting.
Why do we all need to confirm to the LGBTQ'rs? Not everyone wants this. So why not make free zones? or give those lgbtq'rs their own country.
Finally a country that has morals
I love my gay friends. But they have no right to push their beliefs and way of thinking on our children. We should live in tolerance, I respect Poland 🇵🇱 for standing by their traditional way of life
Stop washing your mouth with "children" already. You're not Lovejoy's wife.
then what would u say about the straight ppl pushing their beliefs down the lgbt children??
Since Poland appeared on the map of Europe and during all its own sovereign existence, Poland never ever criminalized homosexuality which cannot be stated the same about the very land of BBC (UK) or the rest of the woke EU la-la-land!
You got me laughing, it's true tho.
People closed of in other countries have ideas and beliefs, when a country don't feel same. They feel offended, if they have power, they can use it.
Nikt w Polsce nie prześladuje gejów.
In pl, lgbt persons were never punished by the law, as in GB in 19 century, when they were penalized for being themselves.
True, but we’re in the 21st century and it’s more like the other way around nowadays
@@_o..o_1871 Basically, I agree. However, BBC seems to consider this information important because I had to modify it many times until it managed to pass through filters or censorship.
BS. It wasn't written in the penal code because just about any gay act could be punished under the umbrella of "public indecency". Homosexuality was legal in Poland and illegal in Ireland in 1992, but you'd have to be far more insane walking down the street in Poland handholding with another guy than you would in Ireland.
Legalization of homosexuality for the most part means absolutely nothing for actual gay people.
@@yarpen26 And the same argument holds for this anti-LGBT zones, which are also a political issue, not reflecting the attitude of the whole society.
@@laborkawplecy bbc is woke, healthy younger unvaccinated are made pariahs, less double standard left are seen as crazy etc ...,
Poland is moving towards the Soviet country. First LGBT, then NATIONALISM, RACISM and a totalitarian state. Shame
W polsce nie są prześladowane osoby homoseksualne ,służby np policja nie używa siły bez powodu większość osób ogulnie nie obchodzi kto ma jaką orjętacje i nie zwracają na to uwagi orjętacja nie dzieli Polaków a na tych protestach osoby lgbt robią sami z siebie ofiary jak zaczynają demolować miasta i szarpać policję lub zakucają pożądek to jest oczywiste że musi policja reagować bo to nie jest demonstracja tylko przestępczość jest kilka filmików w sieci
In Poland, homosexual people are not persecuted, services, e.g. the police do not use force without a reason, most people generally do not care who has what sexual orientation and do not pay attention to it, the sexual orientation does not divide Poles, and in these protests LGBT people make victims of themselves as they start to demolish cities and jerk the police or crush the lust it is obvious that the police must react because this is not a demonstration but a crime there are several videos on the web
To jest przykład jak lgbt zachowują się w Polsce oczekują tolerancji a sami uprzykrzają życie innym więc zamiast gadać jacy są oni nietolerowani zaczną się normalnie zachowywać
Proszę tu jest filmik jaka jest prawda niestety jest tylko w języku polskim
This is an example of how lgbt behave in Poland, they expect tolerance and they make life difficult for others , so instead of talking about how they are intolerant they will start to behave normally.
Video only in polish
ruclips.net/video/zBZN7VZ4qmU/видео.html
I hope that I will live to see the right-wing being common and having values, doing hard work will be properly rewarded. Left-wing in Europe is the worst thing that has happened to her. Each country tries to please the USA ...
Not just a PiS troll but on Putin's payroll as well. Nice.
Right wing countries exist. Pakistan, Lebanon, Turkey, and Brazil, etc. You’ll probably prefer to keep your finances where they are, since each right wing country has their economy in the toilet.
Can you explain me how your conservative life is being messed up by lgbt?
How my life with my partner with our private union hurts your marriage? How me holding hands with person i love, hurt you and your personal relationships? How my religious believes have to do with yours? How my child has any business with you?
You can have perfectly good life, with all of your rights, the world is tailored for you.
How me having my right to be safe and have a normal day to day life without fear has to do with your conservative ideology?
You can still work, marry with your religious believes and have all the benefits. You can have your opinions but no right to oppress others.
Only thing you can't do is hate crimes, beat up someone, harasse them, I fail to understand why both sides can't just live normally without being at each other's throat.
@@albilu9660 I answer you like 3 times but i think RUclips delete it or it was BBC xD
@@TheGuyFromFridge really? that sucks, try again? Why it erases it? O_O
This is why some many people from UK are moving in to Poland. We are tolerant nation but will not endorse any deviations.
So this is this the new far left(pointing at BBC bias) angle to which attack Poland and it's culture? It's funny how selective this is... Where is the BBC documentary about other cultures, which have much harsher and more final punishments for sexuality?
It is not illegal to be gay in Poland but illegal to influence children's mindset before they grow up. This should be common sense(using colourful attention grabbing imagery...Aimed at children to influence their mindset before they have made it for themselves). If you don't have children you/we have no future.
The Polish man said it himself it has been repealed but it's not good enough, "it doesn't FEEL like it has changed".
If complying with your wishes isn't enough, what is?
I'm pretty liberal myself, so long as you are not hurting anyone you should be able to do what you want(within good reason and the law).
But the political sphere has gone so far left that it is becoming extreme in the way it paints others and not to mention the lefts seemingly endless link(however tenuous or small) to paedophilia(look up the father of gender/sexual politics Dr Money and what he did....Vile).
Not all lgbt+ would back pride parades
Ive always respected the Poles!
Ive always respected how they got invaded multiple times and dont seem to learn from their mistakes🤔
@@Renjii1991 Poland got invaded just as much as any country in Europe if you actually bothered to do your homework. Therefore your weak comparison can be apllied to anywhere and comes from no other place than outright ignorance.
I respect Warsaw's mayor 🙌
Respect now for what? For not letting people be free and express themselves? For trying to make everyone the same? For trying to force people to be like everyone else?
@@xxxmxxwm1564 what?
For doing their best to protect their borders and not cave to European extortion and threats.
Get on with it lad. Why do you have to manifest your sexual orientation. Just live like rest of humanity without preaching how its to be gay.
Maybe he'd be able to do that if he wasn't living in a country that's actively fighting against his right to exist.
@@michaelscott3174 you have no clue what you are Talking about? Poland as a country doesnt discriminate anyone becouse of their sexual orientation. Its a Catholic country with traditions and values that were and are maintained for centuries and the goverment is doing right thing to keep it this way. Its not forbiden by law to be homosexual. If u gay be gay. Its your choice but do not demand law change to suit you.
@@michaelscott3174 you probably even had not been in PL So how do you know what it is like to live there??
In Italy too, by the way, even if for political convenience nobody points it out.
Ma non è mica vero!
L’italia nn è a questo livello…
Io sono omosessuale ma sono contento che il ddlzan non sia passato. Era scritto molto male.
E personalmente non mi sento mancare alcun diritto
It is absolutely not true! DDL Zan was stopped by the Parliament, true... but in schools no anti-LGBT attitudes are accepted. In Italy it is a mixed bag, but certainly there is no problem with Gay Prides or gay bars. Unfortunately though some people still think homosexuals are "deviant".
Good thing! At least there still are some sane countries left.
@@beewithab6122 so bullying and hating LGBT people is right?
@@giuliostefanomariavigano1981 Good for you. I have LGBT friends and acquaintances from Italy. They all feel like there’s no equality and they lack so many rights other countries have.
Some cultures think this is a private affair nothing wrong with that
It has nothing do with that. A polish mayor was murdered a few years ago because he was gay. What is happening in Poland goes beyond simple homophobia, it's state sanctioned discrimination.
Yeah, wouldn't be anything wrong with it, if the same laws applied to anyone. Heterosexual people don't have to keep it private.
Tell that to the heterosexuals then, they are anything but private about their sexual orientation.
@@Sul227 because they are the majority, learn to respect a country’s rules and the country will respect you
@@joepaddy7239 What kind of argument is that? So because one group is a minority it's okay to not give them the same rights? You do realize this is exactly what the Confederates in the USA used to say about Black people, and the Nazis about Jews, right?
The LGBT community has not broken any rules. They have used their right to protest and this pissed off some people. That is not rule breaking.
In pl, lgbt persons were never punished as in GB in 19 century, when they were penalized for being themselves.
And this was the death penalty. Check the history.
@Mtn Sqr A jednak BBC ma problem z tym faktem, bo musiałem wpisywać to na wiele różnych sposobów, zanim w końcu przeszedł przez filtr lub cenzurę.
If ppl hate that group, then they are more likely to hate single parents etc
Penalized is still technically a punishment
Love from Hungary keep the insane wokeness at bay my friends!
Indeed. Wokeness is a crime against humanity. God bless Poland, and greetings from an Egyptian Copt
Praying for the day you two get booted from the EU
So bullying and hating humans is ok just because you don’t like one aspect of their life?
@@balclava4937 Hate is the main crime people could create.
@@_o..o_1871 If that one aspect of their life is to ruin peoples lives then yes
“If a man has sexual relations with another man, they have done a disgusting thing, and both shall be put to death. They are responsible for their own death.”
(Leviticus 20:13)
Is that from a sky daddy book?
For once I will follow the bible as a Muslim, amen 🤲
you know bible is full of shit ri8?
@@harryhart16 Bigot.
@Follow the howl Those are customary laws (null and void).
What a propaganda crap!
Life is not about giving homosexuality a free rain into everyone's home and life . No thanks
Nie wynosi się spraw osobistych intymnych na ulicę.
Literally owning marijuana in Poland is under bigger stigma than being a gay, you can go to jail for it. Also there are not such things like "no lgbt zones". Tell us about kids in western countries killing each other in drug wars.
Why remove the dislike button? Can’t people express their opinions? Don’t you go insulting countries and their leaders for being undemocratic? The hypocrisy…
Of course you want to express your hate and ignorance openly. Haters gonna hate..losers
@@_o..o_1871 why hate? Logic is hate now, and free expression is hate speech. Not so democratic is it?
@Follow the howl oh, didn’t know that. So it’s removed for only a select few people?
Poland is so based
Nobody can be fully themselves in public. It's the reality.
@@zackfair3911 they do. When a heterosexual couple kisses in public no one has a problem yet everyone automatically knows they’re straight. When a heterosexual couple gets married no one has a problem too. When a heterosexual couple adopts a child no one has a problem either. LGBT people say loudly that they’re not straight to finally stop oppressions.
@@zackfair3911 No, not really.
@@thedamntrain Being gay and straight are different. So it's not a double standard.
@@zackfair3911 I don’t tell people I’m gay though? Stop generalizing
@@zackfair3911 Good summary of the conservatives of poland.
Time to move to Poland or Russia
Time to you get out of the closet🤣🤣
Have fun living in underdeveloped nations then luv xx
@@theadrien1937 thx I moved in recently I can’t say that I regret it
@@comradesam975 Good for you, hope you're proud of yourself for moving to another country because you hate gays Xx
@@comradesam975 you come out of closet too?🤣🤣
What does it mean you can’t be yourself? Enlighten me cuz since we’ve got the independence in 1918 there’s a law which say you can’t get punished due to your sexual orientation. You can try and google it how many people got jailed since that time in Poland because of that. Zero
Oh yes. And everything on Google is the truth and nothing but the truth. Give me a break, bro'🤨
@@sisfantasto7004 that’s just the fastest way to check any case you’d like to, you can always get history books from your local library if you want to expand your knowledge
Facts don't matter when a small minority want to play victim so that they can make noise on social media.
@@sisfantasto7004 sorry but can you produce any evidence at all that anyone has been criminalised for homosexuality in poland in the past 100 years
In our culture we don’t speak about sexuality in public, meaning, I don’t really care is someone gay or not and what that person is doing in its own room, that’s private stuff and we call it privacy. We don’t have cases like Alan Turing’s one..
I think poland people suffered enough during under the communist regime which they didn't want to.
okay and?
@@bradleylehman439 so what?
@@sweetpotato5535 So we don't like leftists.
@@05KAR so what does communism have to do with anything?
@@05KAR I was long against the left until I realised there are those who are based not woke (or in other words less taking their cake and eat it)
What woke ideology wants is to normalize policing people's preferences be it sexual, political or social, their thoughts and convictions instead of focusing on their actions. The anti "phobia" laws criminalize being "afraid" of someone. This does not promote tolerance but empowers snitching which goes against Polish tradition of free society where each person can express their views respectfully without harming others and without fear of personal prosecution for her/his/their views. Polish tradition and polish society does not tolerate Communist Party of China style state sanctioned snitching to which such laws lead. @BBC
Your totally missing the point. The laws are meant to protect people from discrimination and abuse. These feeling are caused by phobia, fears held by those that oppose LBGT people. It’s not about dictation of fears it’s about preventing abuses. Hate crimes are horrible things need to be addressed in any modern tolerant society. So get beyond the fears and phobias and stand up for sons and daughters of our societies
Agrees 100%
@@mikhailv67tv dont know what rock you have been living underneath, but hey are prosecuting a woman over her tweets that expresses Christian religion in Finland. They call it hate speech, she calls it loving speech to call ppl to repent. You just can't stop ppl from expressing their beliefs. Express yours and let them express theirs. Why does one group of ppls feeling trumps another?
Sorry we dont want to be harassed for who we are ig?
May I what you mean, specifically, by 'woke'? 'Woke' is inherently apolitical. It refers to having an unusually large amout of factual knowledge as to how large systems, entities, bureaucracies, businesses, intstitutions, etc. function, who benefits from them and who does not. With that is implied an awareness that these systems are large and impersonal and that both unearned advantage and discrimination frequently are NOT the result of individual people sitting behind a desk plotting and planning.
So..... yeah, 99% of the time the word is used incorrectly in the media. Actually the most popular definition of 'woke' now seems to be 'whatever I don't like at this particular moment in time'.
That's why I asked😊.
BBC freak show
Polish people are against lgbd ideology. 💪🏼🇵🇱
The EU shouldnt force the LGBT ideology and politics on anybody that doesn't want any part of it, let them be traditional and enjoy their own culture (the UK, despite all the drinking and stupid shit weve done) have also had a very intersting and complex history, and now its been destroyed, dont become like England!
Also, if the government's are going to offer gay pride parade, then non-LGBT (Which is political) supporters should be allowed to have their own parade and LGBT - free zones.
Other than the middle east and a few random countries scattered across the globe, how is this still a reality for so many people? I can't understand how people can try and justify controlling the actions of others. Worry about your own sorry lives ffs.
Well said! But as we all know ppl are irrational and outdated as fck!!!
So worry about, why do you need to parade your own lifestyle? Why do you want to be accepted? Just worry about your sorry life. This argumentation doesn't hold any water.
@@marksittner602 you know you're dumb right? Study history much? Why do you think we need to parade in the first place genius? One word! Think about it, I believe you're not that stupid.
@@anuradhahazarika5090 calling names is also not a valid argument.
@@marksittner602 Your argument is a joke. Everyone has the right to live without fear of persecution.
> LGBT in Poland: I still can't be myself
GOOD. Stay strong Poland!
Dislike!!!!!
Ironically gay people are safer in Poland than in most larger Western European cities where a certain imported segment of the population REALLY takes issue with LGBTQs.
Only true families
Catholics are evil. Jesus warned us about it!
Nice to know. Poland strong and normal
Ewww what happened to West?
people don't get mad about two men kissing in public, they get annoyed about the constant grab for attention _some_ lgbt people seem to think they're entitled to
@Follow the howl All attacks on people in Poland if reported are against Polish Law. There is no statement in Polish Law that would permit such behavior. There was never a Polish Law (unlike in the WOKE BBC-land & woke the woke "la-la-land of EU") that would criminalize homosexuality. Anti polish racist propaganda of BBC et altera must stop. It is disgusting.
@Special K you want to think you're the majority but the majority of the west supports LGBTQ people, companies and everything. Stop excusing yourself for hating other people's preferences because you're so bigoted
@Special K what happened to you man, why are you so afraid of people who can't even hurt you? Or hurt anyone else?
The fact that any kind of "xxxxx-free zones" exist inside EU, is chilling to me. This cannot happen. When people start to be excluded based on their basic characteristics, history points in bad directions when that happens. How can the Polish politicians be frankly so obtuse, not to remember and consider things that happened to their own people less than 100 years ago?
lgbt = antichrist
Well they are concerned with the flipside of that argument. Their catholic values are under attack.
Xxx Free zones - were invented by leftist provocator, who want to show how xxxxxfobic Poland is to the west media.
It stick as I see.
@@tdrm How are *their* catholic values under attack, when people make a personal decision, like marriage? The catholics just want to impose the rules of their religion to everyone else, even if others don't follow their religion.
It's as if a vegan tried to tell everyone to stop eating meat because they themselves made the choice not to. You can be catholic if you want, just don't try to impose your dumb rules on everyone else.
@@Sul227 that is a very weak argument. the polish politicians are just catering to the majority as they should.
Is EU becoming the new soviet union? I guess the GM found another way to rule Poland.
Poland joined the EU. Areas in Poland said lgbtq people aren't allowed to settle there. This is against the EU right. You can't deny a EU citizen to live or work somewhere inside of the EU unless he is a covicted terrorist or criminal. It's that simple and Poland knew the rules when it entered. The EU did so much for Poland, it's infrastructure and it's economy. They can't just take that money but deny people to live freely and not obey by the rules...
@@dragonlord1225 The laws do not ban LGBTQ people from settling in a specific area. These LGBT free zones are just one way for the current government to bully and hate the marginalized people of the country. Basically they want to demonize people for political gains.
@@_o..o_1871 They litteraly do.
@@dragonlord1225
You do realize the EU can't do anything?
They will stop funding it but Poland will remain a EU member as to kick one out you need all members nations to vote to kick it out
But Hungary is Poland's closest ally and Hungary swore to protect Poland under all costs (plus Hungarians have pretty much the same reaction to LGBTQ as polish people) so as long as Hungary is in the EU then so is Poland
@@hefywefy5331 kick both of them. y'all don't like the rules feel free to leave, no one's forcing both prick nations to be in EU, look what UK did. oh I know y'all just broke AF. both nations are nothing but burden, troublemakers to EU
This is good one, when girl say she would like to be thought LGBTQ in school by her teacher. Now because of the system she can not get decent knowledge in the field. I understand that BBC also would like to that LGBTQ would be thought in schools. You people are mad !!!
I think you need to be "thought" basic english
Taught.
The fact that you can’t spell taught is too ironic. Shows something about your own level of education 😂
*tigh
Poland is the only normal country in europe
@Robert S no, hungary "didn't see" any aggression from russia towards ukraine...
At least Belarus has city cleaners. The full on Catholicism is a bit silly, though.
@@ShaneyElderberry well religion is a personal decision, I don't see anything silly there...
@@albertwesker8485 tell that to millions of European parents, who hardly give their children any other choices growing up. Only after they leave, will they have other options.
@@ShaneyElderberry I cannot see sense in your words. Try to refrase them please. Why european parents? Which choises your mean? I am at europe and everything is fine, but refugees...
Wow, looking at the comments really makes you question people’s intelligence and/or being on the internet makes them feel safe to say horrific, bigoted nonsense or they just want to be argumentative. The like/dislike ratio shows it’s mostly insecure bigots attracted to stories like this. More importantly, if we are striving for an equal and just society then the EU certainly has another uncomfortable issue with Poland that needs resolved (I wish reports wouldn’t bring up Catholicism, a populations supernatural beliefs are irrelevant in this day and age when it comes to basic human rights) and although it maybe short term political point scoring for my gov’t to accept a request for help on the boarder from Poland when they’ve refused EU help, I wish my gov’t would take a longer term view and if lgbt rights are now fundamental to foreign policy then it’s hard to square with its recent actions.
"populations supernatural beliefs are irrelevant.. when it comes to human rights" Do you have any idea how stupid that sentence is? Freedom of religion is a basic human right you moron
@@mrdictator7030 well, mr wannabe dictator (jesus, really dude) freedom of religion is something every western democracy has of course because it is a basic human right (no matter how silly in this day and age and we can see that by how beliefs in magic, monsters & deities of any kinds drops in societies that have matured and that have populations that have high educational standards). It is included because even the intellectually stunted have the basic human right to their opinions along with the more important rights of being born free & equal in dignity and rights regardless of nationality, gender, ethnic origin, language or any other status or made up way to divide a population.
@@markdickson3820
@@crown9413 Exactly! These people cry about others being hateful but are the most bigoted of all. 😂
@@crown9413 it wasn’t about Catholics (I mentioned catholic’s because every report about Poland’s bigotry mentions it, as if being a predominantly Catholic country excuses a particular behavior). I don’t have time for any supernatural nonsense, no matter the flavour. That said, so long as a group(s) particular version of belief in deities is not imposed upon society, especially using parts of their beliefs to justify their bigotry or hate, then why would I or anyone else have a problem with their beliefs. There are people that believe they’re been visited by little green men too, that’s fine, who cares, so long as they don’t try to impose that belief upon civic society.
An unfriendly reminder that the fight for equality hasn’t stopped in the western world.
“Equality” as if gay butt sex means equality 😂😂😂
@@darklord7069 you can’t call yourself the dark lord and then laugh at ‘gay butt sex’
Lmao, you really think being gay and going to a protest makes you a warrior huh?
Lmao ok SJW
@UCqqXnC1nv1WCrqVl_GbW7iQ shut up you won’t do anything but cry and try canceling through Twitter
Here we go again. What's wrong with BBC?
Poland stay as Poland, stay blessed the right way ✝️🙌
Jesus doesn't care about you, if you think you can judge others
@@christophergardner658 Aren't you judging now? 😂
Good luck believing into some bulshit that does not exist :P
@@christophergardner658 Jesus hated sin, but was willing to forgive even a prostitute when she believed in Him, immdiately saw her sins and did not want to continue ;)
@@beewithab6122 yeah, but I dont care for Jesus loving me lol