@@SM-jy9tm Agreed, it may be the prerogative of the President in an instant the President's party won by majority not coalition. I do think proptional representation within the GNU is the best option for all political parties involves from Minster to committee chair. It's no different than what previous Presidents had to do within the ANC itselfs trying to balance out, factions, unions, communists, women & youth league representation. The fear is another party doing better than they (ANC) had ever done in 30 years in a shorter period of time.
ANC is confusing the people of South Africa. ANC politics have phased out shame. Just investing on lies every second & minute. Speak left and walk right.
As much as I despise ANC, I find your comment to be misguided, ignorant and spreading propaganda. ANC has been clear from the 1st day after Elections, they’re considered the loss and initiated GNU, and it is parties like DA who are power hungry who make the task of the president to form cabinet much difficult, DA wants all critical posts like Defense, Finance, ministry in the presidency and etc So it time we look at DA and see them for who they are, actually they are still angry and bitter that ANC invited PA, GOOD, Al Jamaal, 😂😂😂😂,
Haaibo why are you confuse baba just listen slowly Vincent is very clear. The ANC is doing what we voted them to do. We can’t complain now, this is the result of your vote. They doing the best with what we gave them.
The bad ANC policies caused STATE FAILURE. Therefore the voters rejected the policies. The GNU must now change the old impractical policies. After 29 May 2024 there is NO MORE ANC ideology imposed on the country!
This GNU idea has proven once again the inherent differences between the people of this country. The 'europeans' and 'non-europeans' still exist between the ANC and the da. Tribalism still exists, judging by the countless political parties in this country that never agree on anything. The party funders know this. Hence, they perpetuate it by funding these many political parties, further dividing the Africans. 🤷♂️
Well if people constantly vote according to ethnicity and not according to ideology then they will never get a good government. Being black is not an ideology.
Yes parties are committed bt they need to have power as well. Anc was rejected by the people so he can't bring his people again. Give other people chance
Why create additional documents in the form of "Statement of intent" and "GNU Document" we voted under the guidance of the SA constitution, and I bealive the representation should be based on the number of seats per political party, where a stalemate exist in respect of passing a bill, then parties vote and a secret ballot system applies. Why interfere with the process which is clearly outlined in the constitution, this does not make sense!
Vincent ?, what are you meaning by no change of GNU Policies?, is the President Cyril Ramaphosa referring to NHI Bills (Dept. of Health), and The BELA Bill Mother's tongue Language Amendments( Dept.of Education), is this not a power sharing where all the parties must debate and agree om all policies before implemented?,
Your infatuation is only scratching the surface. CR occupies the presidential position under the authority of parliament, which retains the ability to remove him whenever it chooses. The situation does not bode well for the ANC.
Ramaphosa made a stupid mistake he had an opportunity to reduce the cabinet before and instead of that he increased the cabinet now he is telling us about reducing the cabinet this pure nonsense.
The ANC seems to be ignorant that there will be no ANC government without the DA in the current GNU arrangement. The DA has got the ANC by the nuts. Bayaphapha.
I don't think you know the ANC you arè just talking for the sake of talking. You don't know the structures òf the ANC hence you say Ramaphosaa took ANC to 40%. Read the constitution of the ANC then you will be talking from an informed position.❤
ANC had two functions, Ramaphosa functions and Zuma functions, both constitute 58% of ANC voters. Zuma decided to take his 15% share of his voters to form MK. Then ANC out of 58% (Zuma taking 15% only 40% was left)
DA chip UIT/come of OUT of these game called GNU, ANC just want to use you. Pull out of Gauteng as well so that ANC doesn't govern GP. Come out of KZN as well, plus you cheated MK by putting your IFP.
I think so too, if the adults in the room won't be listened to then we should all adults take a long vacation to Europe and watch the disaster unfold from there.
DA chip UIT/come of OUT of these game called GNU, ANC just want to use you. Pull out of Gauteng as well so that ANC doesn't govern GP. Come out of KZN as well, plus you cheated MK by putting your IFP.
Magwenya Cyril is the mouth-piece of ANC. So media is correct to say he instructed Lesufi to include DA party members in his legislature. It is just fact. Whether he communicated the decision of the collective, he is the face of the party. You spin-doctor that one......
Why you media houses always reports opposite things on Senzo Meyiwa case you are always bias not factual about what is really happening in that Ratha court.
Are you meaning that the public servants are appointed based on their being able to steal and being able to shift blame. If that how you think you must be so naive
We committed to constutionalism as the DA but now it seems we want the "statement of intent" to translate into changing the constitution. The constitution does not impose any externality of "unity" or "consideration for how many parties voted the President in". We can suggest yes, but to imply that we are owed is a bit entitled, even for us.
Are they talking about the DA that got 21% of votes, being part of the GNU holding a total of 71% of votes? Why are they being projected as if they hold the upper hand in the GNU? They do not, they have very few friends in parliament and they know it. Their interests depend on their cosying up to the ANC and that they will, no matter their never ending bellicose rhetoric.
Don't forget that DA , freedom front , IFP and other parties are joined at the hip. If DA leave , they all leave and chaos will ensue . MK /EFF will have Ramaphosa removed in an alliance with ANC and we will go towards zimbabwe type policies . ANC have no choice but to work with DA .
@@davidcampos9768I think you overestimate how committed to our values these IFP chaps are. Yes they have supported us while we were winning but do not mistake that for belief in our rhetoric.
@@davidcampos9768 I'm not convinced the others will leave.This GNU has become a matter of fitting in as many opportunists as possible. I'm surprised the DA is still there to be honest, doing business with criminals has its negatives.
The only friend that matters that the DA has and has had for years is the ANC. The day the ANC gets 21% of the votes is the day that the DA will cease to matter in South African politics. Ziller and her sponsors know it.
@Percy-fi8ry all africans are royalty my friend. As specially me. But wena I wish you a great year ahead. That you can find it in your heart to use your time for things that make you sleep well in life
This is confusing....This guy must only start talking after the 7th administration is appointed and at work ...He is risking not only talking for Ramaphosa but The ANC....Pule Mabe used to have a serious problem with this guy....Things are still at a political level right now...and The Party Spokesperson or Mbalula should be speaking....Unless Ramaphosa believes he can have an opinion outside the party at this point🤔...
The ANC should take their time and not be rushed.
Wow this guy is brilliant Mr Vincent Magwenya, he real knows his stuff.
The best recruitment ever made by the Presidency.
when nincompoops see you as brilliant...ruse to simpletons
If Cyril goes on to do what this cadre is saying, he won’t finish his term. The ANC is not a governing party.
@@SM-jy9tm Agreed, it may be the prerogative of the President in an instant the President's party won by majority not coalition. I do think proptional representation within the GNU is the best option for all political parties involves from Minster to committee chair. It's no different than what previous Presidents had to do within the ANC itselfs trying to balance out, factions, unions, communists, women & youth league representation. The fear is another party doing better than they (ANC) had ever done in 30 years in a shorter period of time.
ANC is confusing the people of South Africa. ANC politics have phased out shame. Just investing on lies every second & minute. Speak left and walk right.
ANC are mamparas
One who talks like you shows ignorance on the ANC politics and as such you are bubling,
As much as I despise ANC, I find your comment to be misguided, ignorant and spreading propaganda.
ANC has been clear from the 1st day after Elections, they’re considered the loss and initiated GNU, and it is parties like DA who are power hungry who make the task of the president to form cabinet much difficult,
DA wants all critical posts like Defense, Finance, ministry in the presidency and etc
So it time we look at DA and see them for who they are, actually they are still angry and bitter that ANC invited PA, GOOD, Al Jamaal, 😂😂😂😂,
Haaibo why are you confuse baba just listen slowly Vincent is very clear. The ANC is doing what we voted them to do. We can’t complain now, this is the result of your vote. They doing the best with what we gave them.
The bad ANC policies caused STATE FAILURE. Therefore the voters rejected the policies.
The GNU must now change the old impractical policies.
After 29 May 2024 there is NO MORE ANC ideology imposed on the country!
Thanks to Dr hlophe to be in Parliament.
The ANC is trying to honor the people of South Africa who voted for them❤.
This man speaks and articulate well. He does make sense in a way. But I wonder if he's not one of those corrupt guys in ANC.
Heeee bethuna 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wouldn't bet against it 😉
He obviously is corrupt 🤦🏾
ANC hire people based of colleague and family members and friends
You can only work in anc government based on how much experience you have in stealing and you have to pass interview of stealing with distinction
Thabo Mdluli and his guest are both brilliant
This GNU idea has proven once again the inherent differences between the people of this country. The 'europeans' and 'non-europeans' still exist between the ANC and the da. Tribalism still exists, judging by the countless political parties in this country that never agree on anything. The party funders know this. Hence, they perpetuate it by funding these many political parties, further dividing the Africans. 🤷♂️
You’ve captured it correctly.
I'm simply at my width's end with these pink racists calling themselves white.
Well if people constantly vote according to ethnicity and not according to ideology then they will never get a good government. Being black is not an ideology.
💯
Eyes wide open!!
30 years of failure cabinet .😅
400 years of oppression is worse
Why is Mr Magwenya keeps referring to the ANC as a governing party?
Are we not at the GNU
We are at DANC, that is why it takes so long to appoint ministers.🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is an interesting movie called GNU😂😂these are highlights action is about to start.
They are seriously in denial of having lost the elections🤣🤣🤣🤣
They are still up for tenders
Magwenya, Mackenzie is very correct. Politics are about power. Do not dampen that........what is happening is the jostling of power.
Yes parties are committed bt they need to have power as well. Anc was rejected by the people so he can't bring his people again. Give other people chance
GNU will not survive because of conflict of ideology and political policies from different political parties.
Very informative
Why create additional documents in the form of "Statement of intent" and "GNU Document" we voted under the guidance of the SA constitution, and I bealive the representation should be based on the number of seats per political party, where a stalemate exist in respect of passing a bill, then parties vote and a secret ballot system applies. Why interfere with the process which is clearly outlined in the constitution, this does not make sense!
The GNU is clearly not close to conclusion..........
Vincent ?, what are you meaning by no change of GNU Policies?, is the President Cyril Ramaphosa referring to NHI Bills (Dept. of Health), and The BELA Bill Mother's tongue Language Amendments( Dept.of Education), is this not a power sharing where all the parties must debate and agree om all policies before implemented?,
I like the fact that each appointed minister will not just unilaterally change policies without consulting the President, viva ANC
Your infatuation is only scratching the surface. CR occupies the presidential position under the authority of parliament, which retains the ability to remove him whenever it chooses. The situation does not bode well for the ANC.
ANC is a big joke in this GNU with gogo Hellen demands
Mboweni EXPOSED Ramaphosa,he said THIS IS NOT GNU,IT IS A COALITION ....a BIG ANC MEMBER wow,n u dnt run with it,why?🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ramaphosa made a stupid mistake he had an opportunity to reduce the cabinet before and instead of that he increased the cabinet now he is telling us about reducing the cabinet this pure nonsense.
The ANC seems to be ignorant that there will be no ANC government without the DA in the current GNU arrangement. The DA has got the ANC by the nuts. Bayaphapha.
A coalition is about trust. If the ANC thinks they can play stupid games with the DA then they will win stupid prizes.
Kuvoto olulandelayo bafake le GNU kumapepa okuvota ngoba asifuni ukwenziwa iylima
😂😂 best comment thus far.
@@LuthandoMandula
Yesssssssss😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Remember Ramaphosa took ANC to 40 percentage. He has failed dismally to lead the Organization.
He was not alone. ANC are mamparas
He was not alone. ANC are mamparas
I don't think you know the ANC you arè just talking for the sake of talking. You don't know the structures òf the ANC hence you say Ramaphosaa took ANC to 40%. Read the constitution of the ANC then you will be talking from an informed position.❤
@@thandekavikilahle8081ANC has no policies that can and will stimulate the economy, only to benefit the blacks,especially the cadres.
ANC had two functions, Ramaphosa functions and Zuma functions, both constitute 58% of ANC voters. Zuma decided to take his 15% share of his voters to form MK. Then ANC out of 58% (Zuma taking 15% only 40% was left)
Where is Hlabisa (IFP) and Barnes (NFP)😂😂😂😂😂
Hayi wena ekzn gwaza lapho ngomkhonto wakho obthuntu😂😂😂🤣😂😂
@@NdondakusukaShut up Wena
@@Ndondakusuka
Ask their bodyguards 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
IFP is in GNU with 3% and no say abakhaphi kulomshado😂😂
Gnu means Anc is still in charge
Let DA get out so we can watch movies called children disaster movies which is ANC and EFF and Mk
DA chip UIT/come of OUT of these game called GNU, ANC just want to use you. Pull out of Gauteng as well so that ANC doesn't govern GP. Come out of KZN as well, plus you cheated MK by putting your IFP.
I think so too, if the adults in the room won't be listened to then we should all adults take a long vacation to Europe and watch the disaster unfold from there.
From which country are you?
Then stay unemployed and hungry!
@@steveleroux6116 he is pretending to be a black woman suing our case as the DA. Don't be so quick to threaten, the threats may be blunted.
DA chip UIT/come of OUT of these game called GNU, ANC just want to use you. Pull out of Gauteng as well so that ANC doesn't govern GP. Come out of KZN as well, plus you cheated MK by putting your IFP.
Magwenya Cyril is the mouth-piece of ANC. So media is correct to say he instructed Lesufi to include DA party members in his legislature. It is just fact. Whether he communicated the decision of the collective, he is the face of the party. You spin-doctor that one......
Why you media houses always reports opposite things on Senzo Meyiwa case you are always bias not factual about what is really happening in that Ratha court.
ANC hir people as longer you know how to steal and play shifting blames and lies you are good to be hire
Are you meaning that the public servants are appointed based on their being able to steal and being able to shift blame. If that how you think you must be so naive
Always, foreign nationals comment on our affairs on the basis of naivity.
We committed to constutionalism as the DA but now it seems we want the "statement of intent" to translate into changing the constitution. The constitution does not impose any externality of "unity" or "consideration for how many parties voted the President in". We can suggest yes, but to imply that we are owed is a bit entitled, even for us.
Where is Mbalula? 😂😂😂😂😂
We're not his bodyguards
@@Percy-g3p
Yhooo this comment Bawo 🤣🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
He disappeared after failing to read gogo Hellen's contract😂😂😂
Are they talking about the DA that got 21% of votes, being part of the GNU holding a total of 71% of votes? Why are they being projected as if they hold the upper hand in the GNU? They do not, they have very few friends in parliament and they know it. Their interests depend on their cosying up to the ANC and that they will, no matter their never ending bellicose rhetoric.
2nd biggest party , its kind of expected.
Don't forget that DA , freedom front , IFP and other parties are joined at the hip. If DA leave , they all leave and chaos will ensue . MK /EFF will have Ramaphosa removed in an alliance with ANC and we will go towards zimbabwe type policies . ANC have no choice but to work with DA .
@@davidcampos9768I think you overestimate how committed to our values these IFP chaps are. Yes they have supported us while we were winning but do not mistake that for belief in our rhetoric.
@@davidcampos9768 I'm not convinced the others will leave.This GNU has become a matter of fitting in as many opportunists as possible.
I'm surprised the DA is still there to be honest, doing business with criminals has its negatives.
The only friend that matters that the DA has and has had for years is the ANC. The day the ANC gets 21% of the votes is the day that the DA will cease to matter in South African politics. Ziller and her sponsors know it.
This GNU is not going to work (DA pro west and ANC pro East)😮
True story
.....And ANC decided to work with their opposition knowing that DA represent minority not SAns.
.....And ANC decided to work with their opposition knowing that DA represent minority not SAns.
Who is this guy😂😂😂😂😂
I thought he was your uncle
@Percy-fi8ry don't start with a name like Percy. 🤦🤣🤣🤣
Mr Magwinya🥯
@@kingsaidso7258 okay wannabe royalty
@Percy-fi8ry all africans are royalty my friend. As specially me. But wena I wish you a great year ahead. That you can find it in your heart to use your time for things that make you sleep well in life
This is confusing....This guy must only start talking after the 7th administration is appointed and at work ...He is risking not only talking for Ramaphosa but The ANC....Pule Mabe used to have a serious problem with this guy....Things are still at a political level right now...and The Party Spokesperson or Mbalula should be speaking....Unless Ramaphosa believes he can have an opinion outside the party at this point🤔...
Government of No Unity, oil and water, law and lawless 😅