The Imperium of Man combined with the Bene Geserit and Spacing Guild was actually quite efficient as a ruling body. Muad'Dib, the Fremen Jihad, the God Emperor, etc. may have changed who was in charge of this structure but they didn’t dare try to change the structure itself. In fact a better systen wasn't even discussed.
While I know it was cribbed straight from Dune (along with 80% of the setting), as a 40k fan its kinda sureal hearing "Imperium of Man" used in reference to a completely different setting.
Two curious omissions from the video. No mention that the current Emperor has only daughters and there has never been a Ruling Empress, so House Corrino's long rule is jeopardized before the advent of Paul Atreides. And no mention of the Bene Gesserit....
@@rogerchavez2531 Personally, I believe that the heirlessness of House Corrino is a key driver of the action in the Dune universe. Consider, this is a ruling family that has lasted 10,000 years. For the first time, in Human Galactic Imperial history, it is going to be replaced. Why does Duke Leto not marry Jessica? - because he hopes to marry an Imperial daughter. Why is Baron Harkonnen unmarried? Because he has similar hopes. Moreover, the unattached state of Feyd Rautha is probably rooted in the same scenario. And why has this scenario come about? Because the Bene Gesserit want it. They instructed the Imperial Consort(s) to only bear daughters. So doing a background to the Dune universe and not mentioning the fragile state of Imperial succession or the Bene Gesserit, is seriously problematic....
I am trying to remember the motive for the second jihad that Paul desperately sought to avoid. The first was anti-computer technology, was the second jihad just warring Fremen establishing Paul's dominance?
The 2nd jihad was the first step on the “golden path” a vision of the future where humanity would prosper and survive but only through turmoil and sacrifice, Paul shied away from the golden path but his son Leto knew it was the only way
Since CHOAM directorship and membership is controlled by the Emperor, Landsraad, Bene Gesserit and Spacing Guild I wouldn't consider it an entity in its own right. Much like wealth, it represents power but doesn't inherently have it. Hope that helps!
You put a picture of the Bene Gesserit at the end of your video but you dont talk about them in this video? I find it weird when the backbone of this political system is the sisterhood of the Bene Gesserit. I also remind that most noble lines are part of the genetical program of the BG and so, are bred by them.
I have a separate video in the works detailing the Bene Gesserit Order completely. Since they are pervasive and subtle, I only discuss the most conspicuous factions here for simplicity. But stay tuned for the Sisterhood!
The Imperium occupies only a small section of the Milky Way galaxy which is 100000 light years in diameter. Humanoids dominate this area but that might not be the case in other areas of our galaxy. The emperor of the known universe used to address the emperor is a term beyond arrogance.
Where it all falls apart is the idea that so many planets just coincidentally have the same gravity, atmosphere/oxygen ratio and the protection from radiation as does Earth. Even with a hypothetical ability to 'terraform' to that standard (which is not mentioned in the canon) it is so magnificently unlikely as to be absurd.
I mean, in real life, we have already found countless planets that are in the "Goldilocks Zone" where on theory they should be able to harbour life. For example planets in the Keplar star system. So it makes perfect sense that in fictional reality where humans not only posses the technology to travel to hundreds of far distant planets with no effort, but they also possess magical space-cocaine that can give them the ability to navigate through space by giving them premonitions, that those humans would now be able to find planets that can comfortably be inhabited by humans
I cannot fathom how, after 10.000 years, there's still only a handful of Corrinos, Atreides and Harkonnens in their ruling families. The entire Atreides family line were 3 people? Even royal families that were almost eradicated 500 years ago in Europe still have descendants that would be heirs to their respective titles.
Remember, the Bene gesserit can choose the sex of their child and were playing with bloodlines...in short, it was either an accident or part of the plan.
Intentionally keeping the family small by ejecting anyone not in the main branch is an option. If the law of the Imperium states that only those recognized to be of that house can inherit from it, then it doesn't matter how many descendants there are, only which ones legally exist. Remember, Paul and Feyd Rautha are cousins, and both have Harkonnen blood, in fact Vladimir Harkonnen is Paul's grandfather, yet Paul is not the heir to the House Harkonnen with Vladimir Harkonnen naming his nephews Feyd Rautha and Rabban as his heirs. Even after all apparent heirs of House Harkonnen are killed, the House is not considered merged into House Atreides or inherited by it, despite House Atreides' head being of Harkonnen blood and direct descent of its last living heir. House Atreides do claim Giedi Prime, but it is done not through bloodlines but as conquest and to cleanse the planet of Harkonnen influence. Count Fenring is also mentioned to be the cousin of Emperor Shaddam IV, yet he is not a member of House Corrino directly but instead by all accounts is head of his own minor noble family, with no credit as a Corrino being given to him. In short it seems Frank Herbert intended for all noble dynasties to exclusively be the current head of the dynasty and their immediate family, everyone else lose claim to the titles of the house. EDIT: In addition we see that blood matters less than legal status over and over again with mistresses producing kids that would be bastards under traditional rules, but in Dune they are of the House as long as the head of the House deems them so. We see this with Paul, Chani and Irulan, we see it with Leto I and Jessica, and we even see it with Ghanima and Farad'n after Children of Dune.
I can see all this working on a galactic scale, but not universal. You are talking about billions of years in light distance. So even though Giuld navigators can fold space, they cant escape the vast oceans of time one would have to hurdle to travel to other galaxies. It doesnt make sense on a relativist scale. But then again, Herbert was basically an ecologist, and Dune is a thought experiment on terraforming a desert planet. Im not sure he really thought about relativity that hard, but Im not sure.
It’s the imperium of the known universe. At most however it’s just our Milkeway Way Galaxy. The space folding technology is done through the fictional holtzman* effect which is the same effect that shields, anti gravity suspension and faster than light speed satellite communications use. Since they’re moving massively faster than light (the books describe it as instantaneous) things such as time and distance become a non factor. Also the feudal system is perfect for such interstellar societies since a centralized government can’t be everywhere at once with such distances of resources
I like the term that is used in the 1984 movie: "Traveling without moving". Relativity does not allow to move through space faster than light, but it does not prohibit shorter paths, for example by compressing space using a warp drive, or folding it to create a wormhole.
I bet you are super fun to watch movies with but it is important to remember. It’s a book. Just supposed to be a fun book or a fun movie. But if you wanna Neil deGrasse Tyson this… If you learn how to fold space you can basically go anywhere. But just remember it’s fun; or, it is supposed to o be.
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Benny Jezerette sounds like a drummer from the 1960s. "...it was Miles Davis, Hoot Watkins, and Benny Jezzerette. What a show!"
He does get nervous before going on stage but he has a mantra: I must not fear, fear is the rhythm killer.
It’s Bene Gesserit just fyi 😂
They changed the spelling when his grandpa came over on the boat at Ellis Island
This band named gom jabbar?
@@Michael-ri9ve FANTASTIC band name, sir!
The Imperium of Man combined with the Bene Geserit and Spacing Guild was actually quite efficient as a ruling body. Muad'Dib, the Fremen Jihad, the God Emperor, etc. may have changed who was in charge of this structure but they didn’t dare try to change the structure itself. In fact a better systen wasn't even discussed.
Ten thousand years of stability is a hell of a testament to what works well
While I know it was cribbed straight from Dune (along with 80% of the setting), as a 40k fan its kinda sureal hearing "Imperium of Man" used in reference to a completely different setting.
40k stole a lot from Dune😅
Fighting an AI that went rogue
Butlerian Jihad. The Mechanicus is crealy built on Dune lore
@@KonradvonHotzendorf Which is precisely what I said in the comment?
@@dylanmah7791 he was just adding to your comment. Not everything has to be an argument brother
@@ajax54 I'm not looking for an argument, and yeah, reading it again, it doesn't seem like an "um acstually", my mistake.
Mate also being a 40k fan I'm not surpised you thought that was an em actually moment seeing as that's the bases of our fandom 😂
I never realized Dune was this interesting. Thank you.
You bet your buns it is
It’s the original
Most modern post 60's sifi is built on Dune. Most notable is Star Wars.
IN THE NAME OF THE IMPERIUM AND THE EMPEROR, SLAY THE......oh.....wrong Imperium. Right...put the chainswords away...put em away! Now!
Only off by 30k years
Two curious omissions from the video.
No mention that the current Emperor has only daughters and there has never been a Ruling Empress, so House Corrino's long rule is jeopardized before the advent of Paul Atreides.
And no mention of the Bene Gesserit....
No nephews? Distant male cousins?
@@patrickjeffers7864duke Leto.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV i thought Leto was an atreides..I'm saying for 1,000 yrs, this family produced no brothers, cousins, nephews??
It think it was a great general overview because once you get into stuff like what you mentioned you can go down the rabbit hole real quick.
@@rogerchavez2531 Personally, I believe that the heirlessness of House Corrino is a key driver of the action in the Dune universe.
Consider, this is a ruling family that has lasted 10,000 years. For the first time, in Human Galactic Imperial history, it is going to be replaced.
Why does Duke Leto not marry Jessica? - because he hopes to marry an Imperial daughter.
Why is Baron Harkonnen unmarried? Because he has similar hopes. Moreover, the unattached state of Feyd Rautha is probably rooted in the same scenario.
And why has this scenario come about? Because the Bene Gesserit want it. They instructed the Imperial Consort(s) to only bear daughters.
So doing a background to the Dune universe and not mentioning the fragile state of Imperial succession or the Bene Gesserit, is seriously problematic....
I am trying to remember the motive for the second jihad that Paul desperately sought to avoid. The first was anti-computer technology, was the second jihad just warring Fremen establishing Paul's dominance?
It was a religious Jihad started in Paul's name. As the Fremen messiah, they worked to eradicate other religions and establish the atreides dominance
@@TheLorebrarians Send them to Paradise
The 2nd jihad was the first step on the “golden path” a vision of the future where humanity would prosper and survive but only through turmoil and sacrifice, Paul shied away from the golden path but his son Leto knew it was the only way
they are an oppressed people - its resistance.
This artwork is amazing
8:11 not all technology ! Only machines in the shape of a human mind !!
Yes, but this even goes for something as simple as a pocket calculator. It's actually very hard to draw a line here.
nicely done. thank you.
I need to re-read the first book. I thought CHOAM was part of the balance of power? Wouldnt it be a square? Im confused.
Since CHOAM directorship and membership is controlled by the Emperor, Landsraad, Bene Gesserit and Spacing Guild I wouldn't consider it an entity in its own right. Much like wealth, it represents power but doesn't inherently have it. Hope that helps!
Choam is Wall Street writ large.
You put a picture of the Bene Gesserit at the end of your video but you dont talk about them in this video?
I find it weird when the backbone of this political system is the sisterhood of the Bene Gesserit. I also remind that most noble lines are part of the genetical program of the BG and so, are bred by them.
I have a separate video in the works detailing the Bene Gesserit Order completely. Since they are pervasive and subtle, I only discuss the most conspicuous factions here for simplicity. But stay tuned for the Sisterhood!
@@TheLorebrarians Ah ok, thanks for the answer;) May Shai Hulud be with you!
"genetical?"
WTF
@@nathanexplosionn I'm french so my english isn't perfect, sorry
The Imperium occupies only a small section of the Milky Way galaxy which is 100000 light years in diameter. Humanoids dominate this area but that might not be the case in other areas of our galaxy. The emperor of the known universe used to address the emperor is a term beyond arrogance.
i say it many times before you are really good, are you mirror in your content on rumble? it might wort the shoot many creators are doing.
Thank you, so glad you enjoy the content. I've not heard of rumble, but I might look into it!
@@TheLorebrarians you can upload old videos and mirror new ones, give it a chance the more people that see you great videos the better.
MAY THE GOD EMPEROR'S GREAT SACRIFICE BE REMEMBERED FOREVER!
I think Google's way of pronouncing things has ruined my head cannon.
Dune lore??? Say no more homie❤
Hope you enjoyed! More to come in the next weeks
wow never heard of it, is this tv show? or movie? or game?
60’s book series and a couple different movies over the years.
It's a book series from the ealrt 1960s. And most modern sci-fi in all forms is built on it. Notable Is Star Wars.
Also, Dune 2, the computer game from 1992, is the predecessor of Command & Conquer and inspiration for many real-time strategy games.
Where it all falls apart is the idea that so many planets just coincidentally have the same gravity, atmosphere/oxygen ratio and the protection from radiation as does Earth. Even with a hypothetical ability to 'terraform' to that standard (which is not mentioned in the canon) it is so magnificently unlikely as to be absurd.
I mean, in real life, we have already found countless planets that are in the "Goldilocks Zone" where on theory they should be able to harbour life. For example planets in the Keplar star system. So it makes perfect sense that in fictional reality where humans not only posses the technology to travel to hundreds of far distant planets with no effort, but they also possess magical space-cocaine that can give them the ability to navigate through space by giving them premonitions, that those humans would now be able to find planets that can comfortably be inhabited by humans
So, by their omission, you see the Bene Gesserit as outside and corrosive force on the Imperium?
I cannot fathom how, after 10.000 years, there's still only a handful of Corrinos, Atreides and Harkonnens in their ruling families. The entire Atreides family line were 3 people?
Even royal families that were almost eradicated 500 years ago in Europe still have descendants that would be heirs to their respective titles.
Remember, the Bene gesserit can choose the sex of their child and were playing with bloodlines...in short, it was either an accident or part of the plan.
Intentionally keeping the family small by ejecting anyone not in the main branch is an option. If the law of the Imperium states that only those recognized to be of that house can inherit from it, then it doesn't matter how many descendants there are, only which ones legally exist.
Remember, Paul and Feyd Rautha are cousins, and both have Harkonnen blood, in fact Vladimir Harkonnen is Paul's grandfather, yet Paul is not the heir to the House Harkonnen with Vladimir Harkonnen naming his nephews Feyd Rautha and Rabban as his heirs. Even after all apparent heirs of House Harkonnen are killed, the House is not considered merged into House Atreides or inherited by it, despite House Atreides' head being of Harkonnen blood and direct descent of its last living heir.
House Atreides do claim Giedi Prime, but it is done not through bloodlines but as conquest and to cleanse the planet of Harkonnen influence.
Count Fenring is also mentioned to be the cousin of Emperor Shaddam IV, yet he is not a member of House Corrino directly but instead by all accounts is head of his own minor noble family, with no credit as a Corrino being given to him.
In short it seems Frank Herbert intended for all noble dynasties to exclusively be the current head of the dynasty and their immediate family, everyone else lose claim to the titles of the house.
EDIT: In addition we see that blood matters less than legal status over and over again with mistresses producing kids that would be bastards under traditional rules, but in Dune they are of the House as long as the head of the House deems them so. We see this with Paul, Chani and Irulan, we see it with Leto I and Jessica, and we even see it with Ghanima and Farad'n after Children of Dune.
1:24 no🔺️ it isn't
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Yow, where's the Dune music on the background?
I can see all this working on a galactic scale, but not universal. You are talking about billions of years in light distance. So even though Giuld navigators can fold space, they cant escape the vast oceans of time one would have to hurdle to travel to other galaxies. It doesnt make sense on a relativist scale. But then again, Herbert was basically an ecologist, and Dune is a thought experiment on terraforming a desert planet. Im not sure he really thought about relativity that hard, but Im not sure.
It’s the imperium of the known universe. At most however it’s just our Milkeway Way Galaxy. The space folding technology is done through the fictional holtzman* effect which is the same effect that shields, anti gravity suspension and faster than light speed satellite communications use. Since they’re moving massively faster than light (the books describe it as instantaneous) things such as time and distance become a non factor. Also the feudal system is perfect for such interstellar societies since a centralized government can’t be everywhere at once with such distances of resources
Distance is irrelevant when your brand of transportation is instant…
I like the term that is used in the 1984 movie: "Traveling without moving".
Relativity does not allow to move through space faster than light, but it does not prohibit shorter paths, for example by compressing space using a warp drive, or folding it to create a wormhole.
Maybe quantum entanglement was involved .
I bet you are super fun to watch movies with but it is important to remember. It’s a book. Just supposed to be a fun book or a fun movie. But if you wanna Neil deGrasse Tyson this… If you learn how to fold space you can basically go anywhere. But just remember it’s fun; or, it is supposed to o be.
Isn’t the Dune universe confined to just one galaxy?
no thats star wars
This is not accurate to The Dune Encyclopedia.
The encyclopedia isn’t cannon
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