We've lost the next election, says conservative MP Charles Walker
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2022
- "It's hard to construct an argument now that the Conservatives can win that general election. I suspect conversation is, yeah, how much do we lose it by."
Charles Walker MP says the Conservatives have lost the next election #TimesRadio
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I’m an American listening to a politician openly admit failures of his party and that he wants to leave his country in the best shape he can for the opposition when they take power. Astonishing.
Never send a boy to do a man's job, in this case, girl woman🙃
@@barriewilliams4526Yes, bless him, I was quite touched...except he is a Tory and they are famously duplicitous.
They don't have a good track record of honesty. They sold distastrous policies based on packs of lies, turned a stable country into an ungovernable mess.
That’s how bad the rest of his party is. They replaced the worst PM we’ve ever had with someone even worse, perhaps that’s why they believe they can do the impossible on blind faith. People with no idea on how to generate wealth in the real world, over confident imbeciles gambling with our mortgages and pensions.
Nah, you're seeing a politician try to obscure the overwhelmingly negative response to his party's terrible policies by pretending that they're good policies that have just been failed by merely bad messaging, as though the same policies will be fine in the future under a future conservative government with a more competant charletan at its head.
But it's the policies that are terrible, and the ideology behind them. The anti-worker, anti-public service, commons-raiding, pro-privitization, xenophobic, kleptocratic, far-right, hard-brexit, crushing austerity, dark-money-thinktank driven, trickle-down-the-pants brand of Conservative Thatcher/Reaganomics is the real problem.
Now that they're stuck with a leader who doesn't even have enough charisma to lie herself out of a wet paper bag, not even the UK's right wing media industry can keep the con going. Not that I'm giving any credit to the British public for finally waking up. Partially because I'm not yet convinced this isn't just a blip on the radar, but mostly because a decade is already way too long to have fallen for this schtick.
Trickle down. It hasn't worked in the past, why would it work now !?
for a while I thought trickle down was working. but then I realized I was just getting wee down me trouser leg.
They know it doesn’t work .. it’s deliberate
Even Biden is sick of the trickle down benefit idea....just don't happen....this lot just not getting it....
Trickle down will work now because it's an old Tory trick. Give Tories a lot of money, let it trickle down into their outsized pockets, and watch them waddle off out of sight.
The day this lot are out of power can't come soon enough. They have no idea how much they are hated.😡
Not as much as labour
BUT We love Reform UK!!!!
@@lorrainelane6583 Hahaha Vote Reform UK
We Love Reform UK!!!!
Agree but you think labour can do any better
How do you 'Prepare the ground' for breaking one's own legs!?
We’ve been kicked in the teeth legs taken out. Thai box or other style. Not getting up. Kicked down. Not getting back up. Moment.
More like aiming to shoot yourself in the foot
My advice to the Tories
Aim higher
Like the dissolution of the liberal party of Australia, the Tories will be obliterated
The Tories have broken the country with lies and incompetence so time to break the Tories.
Lay the concrete, let it set. Then climb to the top of the ladder and plummet downwards feet first.
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Until we change the system to PR we are continually going to have to put up with dreadful self serving politicians with short term policies that are only about getting themselves re-elected.
Not only better for democratic representation but probably better for just the general stability of the country. It was a pity that Nick Clegg was undercut by his partners in the Coalition when he attempted to bring British political life up to date in this respect and we have been paying for that ever since.
Stop trying to tar them all with the same brush. Tories are dreadful and self-serving (borrowing to give themselves tax cuts, Jesus H Christ). But, by and large, most of the rest are decent and hardworking.
Don't make me laugh - proportional representation is the PERFECT tool to ensure that nothing is ever achieved!
@@colinmccormack1728 Would you incluide Jack Straw in that?
@@colinmccormack1728 I have never voted for the Tories and I am fully aware how toxic they are but until the Labour Party adopts a policy to change the system they are endorsing a status quo that just damages the country continually. There are of course decent politicians but they are too often rendered ineffective and held back by this ridiculous two party system.As soon as things improve with the next labour government the majority of people in this country will forget the Tory record and be taken in again by their lies.
trickle down economics is a LIE!!! Giving more to those that have nearly everything makes those with very little struggle even more ...
You would think they would figure it out eh?
@@kevindevine5033 They figured it out long ago. They know. They absolutely know.
I dont think Tories wanna govern UK, they just wanna prevent the left wing from gaining any power...
Tho they are in a real cross position now, they try to make their Leave base happy and Remain base happy...
Their problem is that anything they would really want to do isnt popular at all, they dont really have any motivation to look into pragmatic policies, so they just settles with the one that comes closest to themself and they get to keep an imagine of cut cuts cuts and tax cuts end of that.
Trickle down economics are a lie, but this is just about looting the treasury.
“Our first duty is not to the party it’s to the country “ ….give me a break Mr Walker when has the Tory party ever stood by that . They are ruthless in their pursuit of power and if they come to the conclusion they are going to lose the next election they will leave the Labour Party with the biggest pile of s… they can
"country" translation "rich people"
Just like the conservatives did here to some extent in Australia. Labor has to fix up roughly a trillion dollar debt, plus other stuff.
well said
Ah yes and when Labour has to put measures in place to clean up the mess the Tory voters can moan about them, and the taxes etc..
It’s all a game to the Tories
and this is just the start of it. I am sick of them blaming it on Covid and the war in Ukraine. Utility prices were going up before the war and Putin does not supply our electricity, which has risen sky high, Mmmm I wonder who is to blame for that and I notice Truss doesn't mention the 420 Million she was given, sorry donated, to make sure she got in. Nothing patriotic about any of them.
Roll on two years when we can be finally rid of these criminals.
Yes but we dont want to replace them with another set of criminals like we normally do VOTE REFORM UK
@@robertcapewell7545 hahahahah, oh wait you're serious let me laugh at you some more hahahahahahaha
@@joefortey4He who laughs last !!!!
@@joefortey4 He who laughs last !!!!!
@@robertcapewell7545 yeah me 🤣🤣🤣
If he really believes they are there for the good of the country then they should go now.
A Conservative MP thinking about the Country before Party? Interesting.🤔
There's a first time for everything.
They love us all really.
@@Andygb78 "Conservative love," that's a horrific thought!
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Here is the full clip you all wanted:
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People who have worked hard for the things they have were carefully preparing for a possible recession and higher interest rates, paying down debts, saving as much as they could afford, re-mortgaging, paying into their pensions, trying to save on energy. Then Liz Truss and Kwateng came along with their nutcase plan that had not been put before the British people and blew things up. Middle England is angry and what's worse is that there has been no apology, a way out offered or even a sense that they understand the impact on people's lives. All we get is silly Truss pretending to be Thatcher with her "tough it out" talk.
spot on
That is an insult to Thatcher and I never liked her either but Truss does not have the capability to be like her. I can't wait to see her fall because she will at some point. Why do you think she has had so many jobs in Parliament?
@@sparrow_6177 I think they call the switching from one Ministry to another ‘Horizontal Promotion’
So were the UK is set to have the highest growth in the G7 .next spring ..Germany and the US have higher interest rates than the UK..don't believe everything the BBC and sky news tell you
She apologised. 😉
Genuinely feel sorry for Sir Charles Walker here. He does speak reasonably about this situation from different aspects not just the same way everyone else is, at the same time realistic about the outcomes to his party with a broad understanding of government. I respect him.
He thinks it's a problem with explaining the "mathematics"???
He's not very good at this "politics" thing, is he?
Lol
The Maths bit's easy...if you earn above £150,000 a year you get £40,000 more if on low income you get £147 more. 40,000-147=39,853 so the rich get more than low income earners could earn in 2-3 years.
not so great at the "mathematics" thing either. Although I think even Charlie is dimly aware of the "mathematics of electoral defeat"
@@cabaroigcostablanca How do you come to 40k more?
@@portsmouth1781 Mini Budget 2022: The UK government has announced that it will scrap the 45% tax rate on incomes above £150,000 as of 6 April 2023.23 Sept 2022
“It’s really very very bad isn’t…”
I love British people. They even panic in an understated manner.
Charles Walker has communicated as a true conservative. Really liked his thoughts on the matter
I think people understand and because they understand they have taken fright.
A very charming talker ,he'd do well on a date line while he fleeces your pockets .
The idea that we needed sweet talking to get the people to except this hideous budget is beyond belief, they see us all as ignorant idiots that they can manipulate like marionettes
"Our duty is to the country not the party."
Conservative party actions suggest otherwise.
What was Brexit, if not the Conservatives literally sacrificing their country to stop the ERG from splitting their party in two?
To call this a communication problem indicates that the Tories cant even understand why the policy is so bad in the first place. These people are simply living on a different planet.
General election now!!
We should take to the streets and revolt but it will never happen. We all whinge and do nothing and these lot know it. We are a walkover in this country.
I recall Corbyn being 20% behind in 2017. In this instance, 2 years until an election is a lifetime in politics.
Indeed. And people are extremely fickle.
God i hope so
Fickle folk maybe, but when a government has placed homes and pensions at material risk they do not forget, or forgive.
It could be five years to the next election, but it’d still be over.
Not when they keep going from Bad to Worse!!!!! VOTE REFORM UK
I don't think the country will survive 2 years wait till youv start getting 6k energy bills on top of your increased mortgage payments
He sounds almost human, but no he's a Tory.
There wasn't any reasoning!
The problem is that the public doesn't understand? Seems more like the problem is that they DO understand.
Matt Holsen....when the people are freezing and many can't eat
... plus many worried about having a roof over their heads they WILL understand deffo.....
But the Public dont have a say , thats the system and it needs to change.
"We've lost the next election." - GOOD.
Preparing the ground by digging a 6' deep hole.
The problem is the content of the message, not how the message was delivered.
No, the problem isn’t the surprise element. It is the idiocy of the budget measures. There are not mathematics behind this - just wishful thinking and desperation.
Tories losing is not a bad thing for normal working humans in the UK, just saying.....
In fact it's a very good thing
You don't borrow to give tax breaks. That is gearing and used by asset strippers.
I remember when this guy was the only Tory who voted for himself to get a payrise. 😂😂😂
Even a broken clock etc etc
Labour currently has a 32 point lead not seen since 1992. If there was an election tomorrow, they'd completely steamroll the Tories and, even if/when that lead inevitably eases off, I still can't see the Tories getting enough support back, certainly short of yet another change of leadership.
@@tomgl6684 I wonder if Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner have got up off their knees to BLM yet??? 😂😂😂😂If that's the future government of this country, then we're all fkd.
@@stringer-ik1pc I'd take a one off bit of gesture politics over someone sinking the pound to its lowest ever level after less than a month in office, thanks mate.
And apparently so would most of the country.
@@stringer-ik1pc wow are you really that ridiculous?
@@tomgl6684 I think that’s why they’re ripping all of the money they can, for themselves and their supporters/ donors, from the economy. They’ll be content to sit it out for a generation then jump in and do it again.
Our first duty is to the country ..
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh that made me laugh .. from a Tory 😂😂
I nearly fell off my chair
You cannot polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter, thats what the Tories are good at. I have seen better rats come out of a sewer. Lying toerags, the lot of them. Boris was the worst and Truss supported him and his lies, says it all.
Why do people like him not lead the party. FFS
He meant to the country club
First duty is to fleece the Country!
The Conservative Party is a patriotic Party. The have the greatest sense of duty to King and country.
😂Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of sociopaths.
When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. John Maynard Keynes 1936
Totally sick of these shambolic pathetically self serving incompetents. The only way I go back to voting Conservative is if they actually advocate prosecution for their recent leaders. They've been reckless, turned a country I was proud of into a disgraceful mess.
The Times Owner Murdoch has a lot of responsibility for this.
Good.
Trying to make out it’s a communication problem
Markets aren’t fooled
The bond market and the currency markets understand the math behind the tax cuts, and the math is nonsense. Tax Cuts inevitably lead to debt growing faster than GDP which isn't good for the Pound. The Conservative Party has been disastrous for the British economy, going back to Brexit.
They need to lose and for the sake of millions of ordinary people, never win again
So. Now after new elections join the EU customs union and work to undo the disastrous BREXIT debacle.
Not your decision to make. We’ll have to consider your application and then all 27 members will have to agree. What do you thing your chances are?
Scotland wants out and North Ireland unification is close to happening
@@Oluinneachain In your dreams, mate. We'll never re-join, even if you wanted us to.
So you don't believe in our sovereignty? of you go then, another miserable lefty
@@Oluinneachain You would take us back in a heartbeat we were the second highest budget contributor
At least he called this right I will never ever vote for conservative again what a f...... Mess
If I've got this right, this MP is criticising the government for telling the public 'you're wrong', by telling the public 'you're thick'.
For ever I would say. Conservatives have stopped looking after the British people.
Not often I agree with politicians, but he’s right…….they have lost it.
And they can only blame themselves...Now its damage limitation Vote Reform UK and give labour a fight
And deservedly so.
If the Tories were a patriotic party they would not have elected Truss. They are out for themselves and no one else.
Even during this interview he’s constantly looking for the exit 😂
Ha God the poor guy looks knackered.
**During interview** "...ooh, that door's open over there"
Brexit
The mobs' are looking to string him up.
@@HGSuper The "poor guy" isn't poor at all. He's been stuffing his pockets with taxpayer money. He may go to live in St. Petersburg as an oligarch!
Didn’t she have time to let those who backed against the pound know what was going on !
They deserve to lose their seats! THEY alone enabled this catastrophe. Losing their job is the only thing they care about, not our country. Isn't that apparent by now? Country first party second.
It is amazing how rotten the Tory leadership is.
pound has crashed, markets in turmoil, but the problem is obviously a lack of properly telling people what gov't was doing.
The issue is that conservative talent was chucked out of the party after Brexit.
Conservative party is basically now UKIP, hence the total clusterf@ck.
Yep anyone with a brain and / or a conscience had to go. What's left is a bunch of venal, self serving dimwits.
Shane - either get over it or leave!
@@frederickoo7 and you need to get over the fact that Labour is our next govt.
The Farce is strong with this one.
The Conservatives are hopeless, but Labour is not the answer. We lurch between failed parties and expect something to be different.
And now there are talks of another period of austerity. The end of the Tories is now in sight - the public won't tolerate more austerity and Boris promised no more austerity.
Well, he is well known for lying and now his biggest supporter has taken over from him, so where do you think that will leave us?
BORIS PROMISED, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS?
People needed to know they were going to be fcked over in order to accept the budget.
Rishi is laughing 😆
rishi would have been a better pm
Rishi spoke the Truth about Dizzies plans but the Elite preferred her slant on things
All those who did not want a brown PM.
Up yours !!!
From an 80 seat majority to double figures seat loss is a feat only Johnson could have pulled off. It's about the NHS and illegal immigrants.
It's not about illegal immigrants though is it? Not a concern to anyone except racists. About complete ineptitude and lack of any leadership whatsoever
Sounds like you’d vote for them again.
That’s what they TELL you it’s about while robbing you blind.
FINGERS CROSSED for 3 figure loss
Printing money until it became worthless really doesn't help their cause.
It is NOT illegal to apply for asylum. It is illegal to deny asylum.
"could be the most genius thing ever..."
So re-hashing old Maggie's and Ronnie's BS trickle down stuff counts as "genius" these days? Give more to the rich and tell the poor they "just have to work harder".
I don't agree with Bill Maher on many things, but he once described trickle down like this: Imagine you have three dogs of different sizes and you want to feed them. So you throw them a few sausages, saying "job done... the dogs will make sure these sausages are distributed evenly and fairly amongst them."
Unbelievable.
As an American I look on with interest. I watched Liz Truss first speech in Parlement. It made me ashamed of my English ancestry. Why would you speak to fellow citizens with derision.
That's the Tories for you, mate.
With respect the concept of speaking to fellow citizens with derision is a million miles away from being a concern for the PM.
Each one a criminal should be behind bars then sent to US and water boarded.
The out is to admit that Brexit was a disaster.
It also sets the party up not to be tarnished for decades, but that's blowing the game on how policies are connected to funding.
Nonsense, Brexit was a godsend - freedom from a crumbling, undemocratic mega-bureaucracy. How anyone could think otherwise completely baffles me!!
This fella doesn't seem to be quite living in the real world either, the packaging isn't the issue the contents are. This little woman will take the Tories into an electoral abyss which it will take the 10 years to get out of, & deservedly so. SUPPORT & VOTE UKIP to get a Referendum on Immigration
UKIP doesn’t exist anymore, so it’s impossible to vote for them. Do you mean the Reform Party?
@@timonsolus UKIP's coming back into action on the issue of foreign migration
This is a rare breed: the honest, straightforward and really rather decent Englishman. Haven't seen or heard one for the longest time...
What's so decent about being an apologist for this demented government crashing the economy and blaming it on the "people" for not understanding the mathematics (or the government for not explaining it all)? This man is a crawling sycophant to a fanatic plundering the state. Where do you see even a spark of decency? What did he say that gave that impression?
You still haven't heard an "honest, straightforward, and really rather decent English man." He's a clueless idiot who is ignorant of mathematics and finance.
Kick all the greedy, self-serving Tories OUT!
At least he’s honest
"It's when you don't explain the mathematics that people take fright."
Rrrright... perhaps the deliberate decision to _not_ release the projections, which would normally be standard part of the process, was because the math was all fine?
Damn right you,ve lost it pal.......thank God.
Unforced errors? There need come a time when those that consider themselves conservative admit that their financial policies and ideas are not to the advantage of the poor and middle class which represent the majority of the population.
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So, there are some decent human beings in the Tory party. Where have you been?
Most have been kicked out.
This guy will be out on his ear soon.
"Our duty to the country" he's having a laugh. Let's find the biggest bunch of tossers and put them in charge of the country. The pendulum always moves eventually, let's hope it's soon.
Time to drain the swamp of these self serving professional politicians.
Who voted her in as PM only the Tory party members ,so what is this guys issue .Did he not see her performances during the leadership campaign.
Of course they've lost, maybe they should try do it gracefully
You mean "do the decent thing???" If only!!
Good
There was no workings behind this for Liz & the cabinet refused any evaluation by GBR or anybody before this ridiculous Budget and it is financial experts who led this reaction.
Kwasimodo fired the actual expert at the treasury before delivering this "budget".
The Honourable Member for the 18C should have a word with this man and warm him such disloyalty will lead to removing the whip and deselection. Does he think this is a democracy?
Priceless
No.
The Nasty Party's War On The Poor is very unpopular. As was dodgy Boris.
Not as dodgy as starmer
He is the best Torry I ever watched told the TRUTH something the rest need to learn
He told the truth about the probable outcome of the situation, while totally oblivious to the reasons for it. If that's the best Tories can do, I'm sorry, they don't deserve to be in power.
The bar was set so low sometime ago..........starting with IDS.
Yes definitely lost because even the conservatives loyal voters have had enough. We need an election and hopefully Labour might at least not mess too much up
"hopefully Labour might at least not mess too much up"
Well, they couldn't possibly do more damage to the country than the Tories have done over the last 6 years.
nothing left to mess up
I’m a Thatcherite Conservative, and I am utterly shocked at the level of duplicity and incompetence at the top. Boris was a massive let down, and Truss? We’ll I have no words.
Who exactly is pulling the strings behind these figure heads 🤷🏻♂️
@@occam5052 Didn't you choose her?
Some hope! Did you listen to Starmer and his green insanity?
Having agreed that they have lost could we please just jump to the general election? After all, it is best to get unpleasant things over with!
UK. The Responsibility of the tories well done The tories.
notice how he didn't mention Brexit as one of the economic catastrophes we've faced since the global financial crash.
Sellers remorse?
Bring back Borris!
The Conservative Party is finished! Labour next government - the end of the UK. I think all MPs of whatever political colour are utterly inept. If there was another BREXIT referendum and if the EU will accept Britain I will vote to rejoin the EU no matter how inept how Brussels is. The UK Parliament simply becomes an enabling body. I hold Boris Johnson totally accountable for the current situation.
“If the EU will accept Britain…”and then you insult us by saying we’re inept. 😂 enjoy your sovereignty.
It's not just Bozo's fault. The flames were well and truly lit by Cameron.
Here is the full clip you all wanted:
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End of the Tories great news they played fast and loose with my pension last week good riddance.
@@pip1723 It was a labour government that stole you pension, perhaps you have forgotten.
There is no more damage for them to do, they've destroyed everything and not conserved anything.
Neither Truss or Kwarteng, who were both in Johnson’s Cabinet, complained about his leadership and handling of the Economy. They have
no mandate for their actions.
No-one has "seen the workings out"? There are no "workings out", Charles - Truss and Kwarteng are rolling the dice, closing their eyes and crossing their fingers, having been told by the Institute for Fiscal Studies "Trust us, everything will work out fine."
And the One After That .., & So On . Willful Mismanagement is never forgiven . Trust is Broken .
Lost. Lost. Like kicked in the teeth. Not getting up. Boris shamed us. Everything since. Worse. It’s a shambles. It’s a kicked down. Not getting up. It happens. It’s happened to me. It’s a kick down.
What exactly is a "kicked down"? Are you high??
@@StonyRC yeh. High. Kicked down. As said. Kicked to ground. Made to be lower than those kicking you. As is said. Sorry this is indeed Brit lingo.
First Boris, then Charles and now Liz -
good luck UK - you all are going to need it.
Liz Truss is currently Labour's greatest asset. She's going to have to wake up and think of those who are struggling just to feed themselves. Policies promoting possible future growth won't help them right now, but she's fine on her £164,000 salary and a net worth estimate of between 7 and 8 million pounds!
Sir Charles your a good man come over to reform UK
This has to be the most honourable thing I’ve heard a Tory MP day: “we are here for the country” - not just to be re-elected.
Finally someone who isn’t just wanting to hang on to power
Most of the people who knew Liz Truss best didnt want her to be party leader. They had no confidence in her, and neither now do the markets. Perhaps Liz should recall Maggie T's adage about the market.
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The UK urgently needs an intelligent PM. Call for an urgent vote of no confidence against the Liz Truss government. Get rid of clueless Liz and her career politicians before they cause irreparable damage to the country. #BringBackRishi
Finally a conservative MP that tells it how it is and acknowledges the ramifications of the current events.
He blamed the General Public for not "understanding the plan."
He didn't tell anything like it is. He said the whole problem was people not understanding the mathematics, and refused to accept that the entire fanatical project was horrendously misguided, which is the real "how it is".
@@peterclarke7240 No he didn't, he blamed the govt for not presenting their plan properly to the public and the markets. He wasn't blaming anyone for being spooked or angry, he himself is angry, he was blaming Truss and Kwarteng for bad decision making, bad communication and poor form as politicians for not allowing any dissenting voices to be heard.
@@dwdei8815 You completely misunderstood the point.
This is the Anthony Barber budget of ‘72. It will push inflation up, interest rates up, and increase the trade deficit. Thatcher is turning in her grave.
4:52 He missed one out, how about the economic shock of Brexit? Forget that little detail did we?