87歲英國老奶奶考亞州英文公開試卷 成績比香港學生還要差！連英國人都批評內容太離地！試卷問題出在那裏？English Grandma FAILS Hong Kong Public Exam!?!
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2023
- 英國奶奶挑戰香港DSE考試！？
English Grandma FAILS the Hong Kong DSE Exam?!?
歡迎來到第三集的「輕鬆料理 學日常英語」！
Welcome back to EP3 of the Casual Curriculum Cook-Along!
來看我們這禮拜的影片，看看一個用了英語超過80年的母語者如何完成公認難度超高的香港DSE英文考卷 🇬🇧 vs 🇭🇰📖
Join us this week to see how a Native English person of over 80 years handles Hong Kong’s notoriously difficult DSE English Exam. 🇬🇧 vs 🇭🇰📖
這次不只奶奶要做喔，我們也為Gladys準備了一個驚喜😱
She won’t be alone in sitting the paper though, as Gladys gets an unexpected surprise! 😱
你們猜猜看誰會表現得比較好呢？✍️ 👩🎓
Who will perform better on this challenging exam? ✍️👩🎓
在她們埋頭苦幹的同時，來聽聽Laurence如何拆解這份閱讀考卷，大家又應該如何把各樣考卷轉化成你我在日常都能用到的英語？
Whilst they sit their exam, see how Laurence breaks down the Reading paper and gives important tips for how to transfer formal exam skills into more Casual learning.
這集內容不只這樣喔！想知道如何做出全世界最好吃的巧克力蛋糕？用美味的甜品慰勞一下兩位崩潰的考生吧！🍫🍰
But that’s not all, watch how to make the BEST chocolate cake, so at least our students are rewarded with a sweet treat after their gruelling test! 🍫🍰
這次我們也會提到正式 vs 非正式的英語學習，希望大家能從中獲益！
This episode combines fun with some key comparisons of formal vs casual learning. We hope you take value from it!
和平常一樣，記得按讚、訂閱和留言告訴我們還想接觸到什麼類型的內容，我們有機會一定會拍給大家看！🙏🏻
And as always, please remember to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE and COMMENT to let us know what you think and how we can help in future episodes! 🙏🏻
我們下次見 ☺️
See you next time ☺️
求學？不！是求分數😂
sure
sad but true
*現實*
兒子生性！病母倍感安慰
東亞國家通病
先啱啱中學畢業冇幾年，好認同香港嘅英文教學其實係教得好formal，甚至有啲死板。當我真正同啲native接觸之後，發現好多slangs同phrases都唔擅長用。Formal嘅英文固然有佢嘅用處，但我同時覺得好可惜嘅係，我學左咁多年嘅英文，卻冇乜學到日常化嘅英文。
所以好多學生學英文學得唔好，因為無興趣
講真我响香港公開試考英文都係啱啱合格，但係我啲英文比我啲中學好好多，至少响講個方面。嚟到英國之後，考大學間中學有幾個香港人，得我一個冇溫書就走去考IELTS，第一次考攞6.5，第二次再去考就已經攞7.5。我建議如果想英文好，最好識返啲講英文嘅外國朋友。因為我好細個已經識得唔洗用字幕睇英文戲，所以我真心覺得香港嘅英文公開試係完全冇用囉！
作為媽咪，仍然在香港教育系統下要教小朋友溫習考試，明明好明白「求學不是求分數，社交溝通大過閱讀理解」但係都香港求分的教育令我們也要去接受。仍用盡孩子的課後時間去溫習，有時仲因為孩子唔專心而發火，真係覺得好矛盾同後悔⋯😢
係國際大城市，無法，縱使去二/三線城市，做返個簡單的人或開心點。
你要認真考慮, 你小朋友在一個價值觀咁扭曲嘅教育下係咪真係會快樂成長? 如果唔係, 係咪應該讓佢去一d正常d嘅地方讀書, 還佢一個快樂童年?
喺香港生仔根本已經係一個錯
生之前已經知個教育制度係咁而且難以改變，你都仲揀得生，選擇殘害一條生命，後悔？我真係恭喜你呀
@@cokeecat111超級同意你
很多人不明白，以為native speakers都考不好英文卷，就會覺得考試卷離地，相反有些英文考試成績好的，就會覺得自己英文很好，甚至有些人覺得自己就是接近native。其實兩種都是錯誤的觀念。
其實我在讀Master of Teaching時，其中一個有關TESOL 的course就提及，我們在大學時讀的學術文章，和我們平常英文用語，本來就是兩套不同的系統，所以莫說外語學生，連native speakers也不是人人可以成功轉接到，所以由學校教英文以至公開考試的目的，就是要預備升上大學的學生有足夠的準備去閱讀學術文章，否則連文章都不明白隨時畢不了業。將來工作，我們使用的官式文章亦與日常會話有很大不同。所以我覺得考試和日常會話無須mutually exclusive ，都不用因為覺得連native speakers都做不好就去否定這些考試的重要性。
所以我反而覺得grandma 分數少好正常。因為已經70年無返過學，唔知睇文章既方法同點答卷好常見。平時D人睇報紙其實只會get佢地背後既意思啫。
考試是時間競賽, 根本是無時間整篇材料看明白才去做問題, 當然就是一邊看問題, 一邊找材料的關鍵字, 主題句找答案, Reading 根本就是考你的人肉GPT 能力
@@ulysseslee9541 所以考試其實唔係考你由頭到尾完整地睇晒成篇嘢，其實閱讀有兩個概念，一種係skimming ，即係好快睇一次篇文，然後理解當中大概嘅意思，另一種係scanning，就係好似你講睇問題搵番段落中相關嘅答案，呢兩種skills無論考試定係將來返工學習要睇一大堆文件都好重要，好多考生淨係掛住scanning唔識skimming，無睇通上文下理就有機會因為咁考得唔好。當然，老師有無好好教學生用呢啲skills，學生有無好好運用，都係考試成績好唔好嘅關鍵。
多謝你解釋,而家明白好多😊所以英國嘅英文科好難拎到高分.係唔係？
@@mawchequein5344 其實我真係唔敢講易定難，因為每個人都會有佢嘅觀感，我話易有啲人就會嘈唔係喎我覺得好難喎，我話難又會有好多人講我輕輕鬆鬆鄧梓峰係啲人唔識技巧啫。的確技巧係好重要，例如上述reading 講嘅skills，係要熟習嘅，又好似聆聽及綜合能力咁，更加涉及超過一種skills嘅運用。所以如果能夠成熟哋掌握呢啲skills，加上好嘅time planning，自然事半功倍。當然如果英文程度一直都唔好，有呢啲skills都無用（例如睇十次都唔明、人哋講完一堆嘢一隻字都聽唔到，咁就真係好頭痕😅）。
I love grandma ❤❤❤. Especially she said “Don’t give up”❤. She’s absolutely adorable!
好正面鼓勵學生，有料到，多謝grandma 既客串，好精彩😊🙏
Really appreciate that you guys are not trying to discredit the public/formal exams but to focus on discussing our attitude towards the exams instead. You’re conveying positive attitudes and points of view towards the exam. I enjoy watching the video so much!!
好鐘意Grandmom優雅大方又靚女❤
Noah很可憐
真正閱讀理係無論我點答同文章有關，方向正確，你就必須滿分。
因為人人理解都基於他自身價值觀，而非標準答案，也非老師價值觀。
現在回想，我只是學了12年搬字過紙，亦沒有建築起理解根基，只想快速出現答案😢
其實都唔關事，講中文都會中文DSE唔合格😅😅
考試講技巧
唔同講法
香港啲中文卷係design比母語者
但係英文卷係design 比非母語者
你可以試下做alevel 中文（as second language )
如果你唔係SEN應該好難唔合格😅
高分就真係睇技巧
但係合格唔係
@@vianneleung6145 咁睇，政治諗住自己啲學子係中英雙母語（好明顯成件事好失敗）
@@vianneleung6145 因為我相反，英文比中文好。雖然係土生土長的香港人，但中文好差，所以我覺得唔關母語/非母語者。
@@surewing66 母語應該係一個人最習慣或者用嘅時候覺得最舒服安心嘅語言
如果你話你中文差，又話英文好過中文
會唔會其實中文唔係你第一語言？
考中文考得唔好唔等於你中文唔流利
因為佢設定嘅前提係所有考生中文已經係流利
所以佢考嘅係更深入嘅嘢
但英文卷唔會考到咁深入
Nah 英文比中文好但中文/廣東話為母語大有人在。我本身認字好一般所以就算英文係第二語言都會比中文好， 因為英文可以憑音串字。
呢集好正，多謝Grandma❤💐
Enjoy watching your episodes .. in teaching casual English and u guys really convey a positive vibe to express how it works around in different cultures relationship 👍❤️😊
Lawrence's grandma is such an elegant lady and is so positive 😊👍👍
非常温柔和優雅的grandma
呢個題材非常好，好好睇
2024 dser報到🫡time flies and there's not much time until we step inside the examination venue🥲🥲
really agree with what's grandma saying that it is very important not to give up and keep trying even if we fail!!
终於聽到聲音了! 🎉😊謝謝!
Grandma 好似我當年既鬼佬啟蒙老師，講野好傳統好優雅❤
呢個影片我有信心重新去學英文，我當年會考嘅成績只有2分，重點重要唔係語言課目拎分，一直以來我覺得自己嘅英文水平的非常之唔好。係機緣巧合下我來到英國生活左六年，依家英語水平做到比較簡單交流，但係我一直冇乜信心能夠就通過英國嘅生存試，但係通過呢個影片能夠自己有返信心同動力，希望未來嘅時候能夠好自然同本地嘅人有更多唔同嘅交流，唔係局限於返工嘅工作英文。
點樣係唔識英文嘅情況生活到6年？？no offense純粹想知
@@apple123tam (長文)
佢唔係唔識英文，我睇佢個留言覺得應該係同我情況有某啲地方類似，我用我可能仲衰D嘅情況講下。
我自己係美國生活佐6年嘅澳門人，去美國前讀天主教學校，有一定英文基礎所以6年前初初過到去就可以交流到，但因為以前係應付課業轉頭空，所以基礎並唔紮實，詞彙量應該只有兩三千左右。同本地人溝通好多時候都有唔識嘅字，需要佢地重複句子，所以難喺當下做深入性、專業性同學術性上嘅談話，即場多人討論因為需要更多時間思考，基本上參與唔到討論，除非提前花好多時間準備。
但英文唔好呢件事，介意嘅外國人唔會嚟同你交流，唔介意嘅人就會覺得意思到位就得。包容嘅人其實比較多，所以即使我美國高中個SAT考得895分(換到百分制大概50/100)，日常交流上都夠用，而相信我上述嘅呢一種水準基本上算係「比較簡單嘅交流」嘅範疇。直到而家，我英文比我啱啱去美國無乜巨大進步，因為我係邊緣人。無興趣睇劇、電視電影，明星運動潮流百卦時尚化妝亦都0興趣、情商低、社交障礙、又成日hea，美國讀高中仲逃學成個學期。
但就係我呢種冇撚柒用嘅社會渣滓，又可以唔入華人圈就生活到，美國中中地間嘅大學都返到。只係人地(非主修水準嘅)生物化學lab做1-2粒鐘搞掂，我就要拎住google translate做足4-7個鐘；人地paper/presentation/speech搵文獻資料3-4個鐘起草完，我就要花十幾粒鐘仲要外國朋友/室友幫我一齊睇；人地15分鐘寫完教授要求嘅150字短comment，我就要花1粒鐘以上。如果教授播條片然後要求即堂討論即堂交結果，我會焦慮發作當堂自閉。家下叫我去考雅思托福，都係堅fail。只可以學人話齋啦，生命自會搵到出路。
As a DSE candidate next year , thank you grandma !🥹
喜歡看你們講英文～
Oh my goodness, Lawrence grandma doesn’t look like she is 87! She looks so feminine ❤ Gladys, you looked so great 🌷💕
Spoken English and formal English just like fraternal twins, they can look alike, but clearly they are not identical. Can you film more videos about daily life English that takes me go beyond the classroom
Thank you❤️❤️❤️ 好睇
看電視頻..美麗grandma.入得廚房出得廳堂.懂餐桌禮儀.不怕你給她考試應付自如.好玩的遊戲🎉🎉
Very meaningful video.
Dont give up！
Great video guys!! Very interesting topic 😁👍🏻
This is a very positive thinking Video, well done
Actually, I was the 2020 dser and most of us thought that 2020 English dse was a bit easier than other years. For the video, you may probably choose 2016-2018 dse which show the actual difficulty of dse English paper.
It would be nice to have an episode / playlist on the slang words or phases that are common in UK
睇完條片感到好大既鼓勵😆
平時我打機同外國人都可以正常溝通到 但係一面對今年份卷我都一樣死咗 DSE份卷一向都唔係為test啲實用技能而存在 主要都係分人 因為其實佢有路可以捉 努力學考試技巧就應該成績唔會太差 某程度上DSE都算係可以分到一批肯努力嘅人入U 但今年出題模式似乎唔同咗 用唔太到啲考試技巧 做得多pp都係冇用
Lovely fam and cool granny 👍💯🤣😂🤓
As for exam, I think Granny 😂🤣
Love this episode, your grandma is a charming lady! Must listen to her & learn the proper table manner and be polite BTw the chocolate looks yummy 😋 😍👍🏼👍🏼
Yes we certainly think so too! 😊 The cake really was delicious 😋
I sat for my O level English and passed. I was brought up in Hongkong. Many of my classmates failed even though they were native speakers.
It seems that everyone is talking about the exam, but I LOVE the CAKE!😄😄😄
呢集好搞笑. 先前都睇過台浰RUclipsR 挑戰DSE卷 , 好好睇..
The video very encouraging. ❤
Grandma 好後生已經可以四代同堂💯💯💯
Grandma is so gorgeous and elegant~ 😃
It’s really interesting of your video. ❤
I think we can take the results with a pinch of salt cuz Grandma isn't as trained as Gladys in taking exams. Exam-taking does require tons of practice, hence the need of mock exams. Simply reading the questions beforehand gives Gladys a head start. And if we were to look at it from Grandma's pov, isn't it amazing she was able to score half the marks of Gladys given that she already skimmed through the whole passage and began answering the questions? Having taken the DSE myself, the passage was academically challeneging and definitely takes time to digest, that's impressive already. The fact that Grandma didn't 'nail' it sheds light on the fact that the exam definitely requires so called exam skills to excel.
Agger.
Additionally I think there's this common misconception that you have to pass DSE English with flying colours in order to claim proficiency in the language, this video has debunked it since Grandma is obviously proficient in using the English words she needed for survival within her own communities, using correct grammar. I know a bunch of friends who've got 5s or above in English but are still uncomfortable in using the language in any form, so clearly whoever set those academic standards for DSE English have put the cart before the horse; or worse, setting impossible papers (at least for non-native speakers) for the sake of it so that they could show them off to the gov for a raise or promotion or whatever.
What they should really be doing is to aim for conversational fluency, and then the vocabulary bank will just snowball as students feel the joy of using the language as part of their daily lives like it's second nature. It's that easy. The gov has one job and they failed.
Elegant grandma 😊❤
Like this new theme ❤
你老公好認真😆😆
It makes me cry todayyyyy
Exam period has begun for senior form innocent small potatoes😢
Grandma is so charming.
She was a great sport. Not an easy thing to do at any age, but she did it gracefully ☺️
DSE results never define who you are! ! I got 5** in English speaking but I'm still scared of talking to people when I visited the UK lol
Same😢
We hope the Casual Curriculum gives you more confidence as we bring out more episodes 😁 And keep trying! The more you try, the more confident you’ll become 💪🏻
@@thereynoldsfamily thank you for making such a great content:) especially the 1st episode, it does help me a lot to handle the casual conversation haha!
Lovely family 😊
這個奶奶個性很好很有耐心 是美好榜樣
same as O level English in UK, only for academic English. Local students must take it too. Exams are all about techniques.
I was a 2022 DSE candidate 😂 my english was not so well when I was F4 started , but I was good at english in F1 to F3...... Finally, I got LV2 in english
好好睇
Gladys英文好好❤👍🏻
玩一次家庭小組討論啦🤣🤣
好好睇..
I have been in the UK for almost 9 years now, which I have to admit I was quite bad in English when I was studying in HK. However living and submerging myself in the environment have improved my English a lot, so don't give up. Which I am still trying to improve everyday for my ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) English proficiency test. TT
6:18 You look at the questions, then dig through the passage for the answers. I sat the HKCEE 20 years ago. This is exactly what I did.
It seems the DSE has evolved little at its core from the HKCEE it replaced. Meet the new public exam, same as the old one.
呢集好有趣❤
guess u can consider trying the HKALE Use of English exam for fun🤣
not the reading part, but the language systems & listening part, we had proof-reading, matching... and many more types of questions there🙈
Good one. DSE is just a piece of s_ _t comparing to UE. Take the UE exam to face the real 😈
I left Hong Kong for Albion after the HKCEE. I've never taken the HKALE.
😂😂😂 Grandma look so funny
We all think humour is important and Grandma certainly knows how to have a laugh 😊
@@thereynoldsfamily so I very love this video to know how to bake a yummy chocolate cake 🍰🍰🍫🍫and learn about more English to use in my daily life.
Next video can you do about football 💪💪☺️☺️
How about the GCSE and A-level English in the UK? As the exam style may not be the seam, so could Laurence do some sharing in the future as well.
Numbers in brackets are percentage points of students getting the full point. Single slashes are alternative wording accepted. Double slashes are alternative answers.
grandma好elegant😊
睇到就已經流晒口水😂😂😂
I think most people that studies in HK use the way that Gladys read the article.
Grandma looks so young😊
如果唔係太熟英文，所以比較怕羞，但依家你去旅行，要出入境& check in out , 如早左check in 想放底行李🧳係酒店先，呢啲全部你地英國文化做法係當地/去外地會係咩方式嘗試簡單表達都令人直接易明我地講咩呢😢🙏🏻
好欣賞你父母,你好幸福.....
❤️
Great video!
appreciate Reynolds keeps making use of different words in the video.
好好笑呀，改卷改到頭都大埋😂😂
應該做今年嗰份，奧巴馬老婆個篇，來自2023 dser😂同埋DSE英文reading從來都唔會有人睇完篇文先至做題目😌
文唔難，題目難😢
BOOOOOOOOMMMM! !
What a funny family
嫲嫲好好笑勁潮😂😂
Graham Norton......I think you chose the 2020 one because he existed in the reading passage of Part B2 and I actually did it for going to university. Crazily difficult for me... (I'm a candidate in 2020 DSE)
I am a Chinese but no guarantee I can get a good grade in a Chinese exam. Exam is exam which rewards the hard-working students.
試吓做life in The UK Test 可能覺得仲癲😅
Can you do a Singapore A-level paper challenge next time?
老婆好仰慕望住老公 😻
好正常。母語係中文，但係中文閱讀理解份卷都佔住死亡之卷個位好耐，依1，2年先慢慢比英文取代
To be fair, the DSE exam is an entrance exam for getting into university which itself is a very academic pursuit to begin with. It is not an exam meant for casual use of English...
證明GLADYS英文好好！做咗家庭主婦咁耐做DSE卷都咁高分👍
應試教育係呢個時代根本已經過時，小學中學12年出來更本咩知識都學唔到。等咗12年機械式嘅洗禮，到咗大學，終於可以學d有用知識嘅時候，就已經冇嗮學習嘅興趣同埋激情。依家d人都係為咗將來揾錢而讀書，但係點解作為一個授人知識嘅地方，唔係教社交技巧，唔係開發人獨有嘅創意，唔係俾學生自由選擇感興趣嘅領域，甚至根本冇人教你賺錢。而係教你開根號，教你背人set好咗嘅答題技巧，數學公式。就連一d"感想題"都唔係考生發自內心嘅表達，考生嘅目標就係回答考官心水嘅答案，甚至有時連d考生自己寫梗d咩自己都唔知。其實呢種教育方式同訓練AI有咩本質上嘅分別？12年培訓出來一個個嘅打工機器，做一個人真係咁難？😢
完全贊同你講法
幾十年如一既教學方式
由我細細個係咁，到我大大個係咁，到做埋人父母，仔女既教育都係咁，一成不變🙄
一試定生死，讀書讀到懷疑人生😢
要開心就等餘去banding 低學校，升大學既機會大大減半
要banding 高既學校，就無得happy school , 死記爛背爛做家常事
針無兩頭利，都係苦了班學生同家長
無人可以改變到香港呢個教育制度，唔知咁行對佢地有咩好處，如果唔係，點解到咁多年，教育制度都一成不變
而家AI 盛行，靠人腦去做操卷同考試機器，會比AI 犀利？
讀既野同做既野又唔同，讀完書出黎工作，所有野都要重頭學過，大部份都唔關書本事
中史，西史，歷史呢啲好偏嘅科，唔敢講係冇用，但喺香港你覺得讀呢D對於工作有咩用？
真係對歷史嗰啲有興趣嘅，咪可以自己選修囉，點解一定要人哋硬食去讀
8:58 "people swear a lot more'
YES ABSOLUTELY
Think the importance here is casual vs formal. Casual learning results in good casual English. Formal learning results in good formal English. Formal English is not often spotted casually.
When I did German in UK it was a lot about grammar, structure, at the start. Comprehension, listening and writing were certainly part of it but when you are trying to communicate the meaning and purpose of the langauge, one often use structure to help learners form the resulting sentence. There were not many native German speakers to learn casually from in the UK surprisingly; or Latin.
The time line fast forwards to my career. At times I have been told my formal English is bad. When I was asked to correct it, formal grammer is usually referenced to tell me precisely where I have gone wrong by an English colleague. I regretted then that I threw all those to the back of my mind when I was learning languages.
Depends on what you want to do and where you want to be really. No right or wrong.
Now, I have a kid, I really appreciate the simple tips on how you would read a piece of article and turn it into an interesting conversation. Graham Norton is definitely a good start to an enjoyable banter :)
Thanks for putting it together!
Absolutely agree.
The brackets next to the answers show the percentage of students got the question correctly
Do the ce/Al test
I am curious to see the questions on the paper
Take some time to have a look at the old education system of Hong Kong (AS level use of English)you will find something even crazier
Gladys同Grandma一齊做返GCSE英文😂
贊成！
佢解答左我當時考試嘅問題😂😂
係你話every minute counts後，Grandma 串你應付到咁既style又點，最緊要communication 同 BE KIND! 好似暗串你剛話老公好串嘴咁😂
Do paper 3 next time🤣🤣🤣
Is it even more difficult? 😅
Paper 3 is a listening paper. Part a is easier with multiple choices and short questions. Part B is like listening to a recording while jotting down notes, and writing 3 short passages like mail or proposal combining contents from given sources. But the workload was quite high with limited time that makes students quite frustrated lol.
I did really well in high school English exams. But after moving to AU I feel that my English is so broken, I didn't even know how to say taking the tram without paying in one or two words 😢
same for me... The knowledge learnt for exams just doesn't work well in the reality
B2真心難，所以我揀了B1😅
BTW希望pass啦🍀
even IELTS, native speaker also can't get good mark without any tutorial/ practice before the test.
想知多啲讀寫障礙嘅學生點樣可以努力入到大學🥳
作為2024 dse考生😢，我係睇你嘅片學英文🤭😂
想學多啲英式表達方式！