SEASMOKE CLAIMING ADDAM IS LAYERED WITH SADNESS EXPLAINED
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The Targaryens and Velaryons have married each for hundreds of years they didn’t go against the books
They why make them apes in the show yes I am a racist
They were not black
@@TheChosen2030 did I say they was? What does that have to do with them having Targaryen blood?
House Velaryon provided wives for Targaryen dragon lords but I’m not aware of any Velaryon lord that married a Targaryen female other than Rhaenys
@@andrealyass8018really? Cause I can think of one specifically that died quite recently
While they weren’t dragon lords, the Velaryons have been intermixed with the Targaryens for the last two centuries.
No don't give me this.
If that is the case that means corlys could claim a dragon and that's puts the whole plot of ep7 in jeopardy.
Much more likely it is laenor's son than the richest man in the world isn't aware of his own heritage which dates back to old valyria.
He literally says "we are no dragon lords"
Either Adams mother is a targ bastard or Adam is Laenor's son.
Even in book "cannon" it's not clear who's son Adam is.
@@kit2877 the only reason Corlys’s children were allowed to become dragon riders was because of their mother also being a dragon rider. It’s possible that the much of the Valarion family can claim dragons.
@@Th3_Czar their mother isn't a velaryon and their father can't claim dragons and is thus also not a dragon lord.
Alyn is likely corly's son but Adam can not be because you need to suspend disbelief about too many things
1. They have to be dark skinned as alyn and Addam are also dark skinned not chocolate brown or light skinned which essentially rules out any first gen targ bastards as every single targ is white
2. They have to have ZERO targaryen features no eyes or hair as it seems corlys was also unaware + Addam has black hair which doesn't seem to be a dominant gene over white hair.
3. They were in driftmark? Like this isn't dragonstone or kings landing where it is plausible some random targ bastard got knocked up by corlys
4. Again corlys says verbatim "we are no dragon lords" to alyn meaning his entire bloodline has no targ blood.
For this to be plausible the random girl who corlys impregnated needed to be the daughter of a daughter of a targ bastard with a black person on driftmark and even then they would have have approximately (given the age) 1.25% targ blood
(Aegon and his sisters are half velaryon)
(All their descendants are half of half after maegor)
(Per my prior explanation the bloodline must then be diluted 3x for this mystery mother to be plausible)
Like even Rhaenyra is only AT MAX 12% off the top of my head and nobody the only purer targ than her is Daemon.
The situation you are describing is literally ridiculous that someone with such little dragon blood could be a dragon rider when the least pure riders we know of are Jace and Luke who were given baby dragons and every other person that impure was just straight murked by the dragons they tried to claim.
Obviously not Addam is Laenor's kid
@@kit2877how simple are you ALL ? female bastards is a thing you think every Targ bastard was male?Here ill make it even easier think Alice Rivers getting pregnant 🙄🙄🙄
@@kit2877 What I’m trying to explain is that because the Velaryons and the Targaryens have intermarried so many times, they have become a junior branch of the Targaryens. Aegons the first’s mother was also half Targaryen. I’m saying that they’re so intermixed that much of that family could probably claim dragons if they were allowed too. Obviously Corlys’s children were a special case, as they were half Targaryen. In the books it’s insinuated that the bastards of hull, adam and alyn, are the sons of Corlys. Whatever confusion brought up by it is because of the casting done by the show runners.
Why would Laenor have bastards to another woman? He’s gay, he wouldn’t have sex with other women, he didn’t even do it with his arranged wife.
Adam: "AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!"
Sea Smoke: "LOVE MEEEEEE!!!!!"
Totally relatable, honestly. Lol!
Seasmoke: “Fine, I’ll do it myself” 😂😂
Maybe that’s what Helena meant when she said one of her bugs “stopped singing”
Maybe that was saying Laenor died overseas and why Seasmoke was able to claim someone else, still in memory of Laenor
dude very interesting observation. everything helena says is layered with meaning she’s supposed to be some form of psychic and i was wondering what she meant by that the whole time !!
No, it's likely referencing Daeron who in the exact previous scene is said to play the luthe. Daeron is joining the war, so he stopped playing music
@@gundamfacts if the previous scene just explained that then why would they waste the next scene with Helena to tell the audience something they already know? It’s much more likely she’s referring to something we have not yet learned since she’s supposed to be some kind of medium rather than the redundant point you suggested
@@liamu1017 It's more likely a throwback to Daeron going to war and loosing his cheerful nature that was eluded in the previous scene. The entire scene is Gwayne telling Alicent how Daeron is the well natured of the Hightowers/targ boys. Heleane is possibly making another prophecy at Daeron being dragged into the war, stopping singing and going down the path of "the Daring", which start by him becoming the chivealerous figure he was always meant to be, before withnessing so much war trauma that he hends up comitting atrocities on his own, which in turn led him to revert as being passive (in the books, at least until second Tumbleton)
@@gundamfactsBoth of these theories make sense
According to another youtuber, the Velaryons do have a small amount of targerian blood. The lord of driftmark of the time married the aunt of aegon the conqueror.
I was going to say, their family saw the fall of Valyria they definitely have dragon riders in their family tree even if it wasn’t the house we all know
you dont need Targaryen blood thats a lie told by the Targariens they used blood magic to make bonding with dragons easier
@@johncollins9982 not all valerians were dragon riders. And the Velaryons were not. But they have intermarried
Adam shouldn't be a dragon rider, by blood. This is dumb, I stopped watching. The agenda is clear now. Glad we got one good season.
@@johnasricantargaryans being the only ones that can ride dragons is a lie told so they can be seen as gods
Seasmoke is just a big cheeky guy
ser Darklyn approached SeaSmoke with fear and trepidation. Like a guard dog SeaSmoke was having none of it.
Corlys has Targaryen ancestry. Valaena Velaryon was born from a Targaryen mother, and her brother 'Lord Velaryon' was as much a Targaryen as Valaena. And he was the head of House Velaryon and his line continues to Corlys.
Seasmoke was like nahhhh im gonna choose my rider.... Lil bit#$es
I’ve been under the impression that Valyrian blood is what’s needed for a dragon bond, not explicitly Targaryen blood.
He's clickbaiting. No one with even an idle interest in ASOIAF is dumb enough to think dragon riding is a Targ trait and not a Valyrian one.
It is, it's most likely blood magic from old Valyria. But other families have married in and out of the Targaryen family line. Plus all the bastards 😉🖤
Velaryron, Celtigar, Sunglass all have Valyrian blood as well. They just werent dragon riders but still have the blood of Old Valyria
What's really sad is seasmoke was abandoned 😢, that's why he was so restless. He's searching for his rider and senses Adam. I'm glad he has a rider
House targaryen and valerion have been intermarring for centuries corlys has targaryen blood somewhere along tje line and besides he is of valairyan decent so that covers it
RIP Laenor..... You were a sweetheart
The earliest intermarriage between Targs and Velaryons I could find was around 100-40 years before the conquest. From what I can see, Addam and Alyn only have 1 very distant Targ ancestor. Their great great great great grandmother was a Targ (they each have only 1.5% of Targ genes).
So even in the book it doesn't make much sense. There are quite a few unknowns so maybe a few of them were Targs too.
Regardless I will never believe that a non Targ could ride a dragon in the lore (There is no way that in 5000 years of Valyrian history that a Velaryon didn't once try to claim a dragon and become dragonlords themselves)
Laenor has not died, but seasmok3 thinks he did, hence him searching for a new rider
Nah he gone the dragon would know
A dragon can feel their riders emotions and basically everything else which is why dragons don't have more than one rider even they're out of the picture. That's why rhaegal and viseryon knew to attack the fleet bombing mareen or to do everything dany wanted them to do. Dragons are born using blood magic, so that blood magic also allows them to know what their rider wants them to do or if they are alive or not.
Sorry but you’re wrong. Dragons have special connections (some would call it magic) so a dragon can sense if there owner is alive or dead so sorry but if Seasmoke took a new rider that means Laenor is dead
I don’t think Leanor has to be dead. A „special bond“ doesn’t mean the dragon can always feel his riders heartbeat from kilometers away or locate him like a gps tracker.
Leanor might as well told seasmoke he's gone for good and that he shouldn’t follow him or whatnot.
Loneliness was definitely a big factor for seasmoke to search a new rider, whether Leanor is dead or not.
@@Brohl1337 saving leanor just to kill him of screen makes no sense, so thats the reason i beleive he is still alive and maybe living a different life and hence seasmoke grew restless and was searching for rider beforehand!
I never knew house Darklyn has a dragon Blood.. its kinda out of nowhere😅😅
I think hes a descendant of a targaryen princess
If you watched the show you would know how
Houses Arryn, Plumm, Baratheon, Mallister, Tarly, plus more would’ve had Targaryen blood, not all of them practised blood purity or if there were princesses to be married off they were
You forgot martells, they had lots of political marriages @@RsDv5
House Celtigar is also of Valyrian descent
Cheeky prankster 😂
Corlys actually has at least one close Targaryen ancestor.
You could have at least done a search.
True.
Define close, Corly’s had ONE ancestor with Targaryen blood, it’s his great great great great grandmother. I’d say that’s not close, but sure he has the blood. But in that sense it’s Adam’s great great great great great grandmother….. it’s safe to say the blood has been greatly diluted
I don’t think this is a good explanation. As the comment above me says, the Targaryen blood is probably extremely diluted. Also, if Corlys had Targaryen blood, he could’ve just claimed seasmoke or any dragon himself
@@Lesistiusactually, House Velaryon has several ties with House Targaryen and Baratheon
In fact, Aegon the conquer was literally born with a Targaryen father and a Velaryon mother
@@Danie1_lthis isn’t an “actually” moment, you literally proved nothing at all. Just because your aunt, sister and grandfather’s brother had children with Targaryens, that doesn’t make you more Targaryen.
Sure the house might have more Targaryen blood now, but if they only marry second sons or daughters of Velaryon, that doesn’t matter when talking about Corly’s his blood.
I read on the internet that the actor who plays Laenor actually will reapear in season 2. Maybe mourn his mother
So far many actors who died in season 1 reappeared in Season 2 in memories and dreams.
That's not how dragon bonds work
And both were still able to survive the doom. Real recognize real
That boy seasmoke really just said only pretty velayron boys for him
Ooooooh so they got rid of Nettles, whose bond with Sheep Stealer suggested Targ blood is not needed to bond with dragons, and shifted that notion over to Addam.
Corlys most definitely has Targaryen ancestry, even if it’s just from the Century of Blood. Valaena Velaryon was part Targaryen from her own mothers side?
I don’t think Seasmoke tricked him, I think Steffon saying “I did it pissed him off
The change’s they’ve made just don’t make sense from melyes breaking through the floor of the dragon pit to keeping leanor alive these changes make future events dumb
Quadruple Kill ! 😂 , you could say they ... Tumpled 😂😂😂
Aegon the conqueror’s mother was a Velaryon. His son Aenys was married to a Velaryon, the mother of Jaehaerys. However Corlys and Adam’s bloodline has never intertwined with a Targaryen unless Adam’s mother herself was an unknown Targaryen bastard
Seasmoke wants a new rider, Seasmoke chases him 😂
Darklynn was scared and hesitated to long, seasmoke don't got time for that
Velaryians were dragon riders as well before the doom of Valyria....so why wouldn't they have dragon rider genes??
Not all Valyrian are dragonlord. But Velaryon got the magic(dragonrider) from marrying into Targaryen.
House Velaryon themselves were never dragon riders, they were Valyrian, but not dragon riders, I think in the lore there were only something like 40 "Houses" In the freehold that were actually dragon riders
I think he smelled his ancient rider in him. It’s the dragon who chooses you and not the rider unless you got one as an egg
"Once you go black, you can never go back"
-seasmoke
Adam claiming Seasmoke ❌
Seasmoke claiming Adam ✅
I bet a lot of Velaryons can ride dragons. They don’t have eggs. That’s where the power lies.
Velaryons have targaryen blood even before rhaneys
Corlys has a great great great grandmother that’s Targaryen I checked the family tree right after the episode. That’s about the same as lord darklyn with his grandmothers grandmother.
I guess next episode we’ll find out if that little Targaryen blood even matters. If they don’t mention Corlys having any Targaryen blood then it’s to safe to say that Velaryon blood, blood of Valyria, is enough. Or even more lore crazy; that Valyrian blood doesn’t even matter and it’s all up to the dragons to say who they want to bond with. Not sure if they will or even need to give us that much clarity though, I’m enjoying a lot already.
Nettles contradicts is even more
She has Targaryen blood
She was born and raised on Dragonstone so most likely she still had some Valyrian blood. Most likely a descendent of one of the numerous Targaryen bastard that lives in the villages of Dragonstone.
Unfortunately, Nettles probably won't be in the show and Sheepstealer will be claimed by Rhaena. Also, in the book, Daemon has an affair with Neetles so ain't no way Daemon will have an affair with his own daughter. It's Rhaenyra who has an affair with Mysaria, unless they want Daemon has an affair with Alys Rivers.
@@margarethmichelina5146only alleged affair tho? Right?
@@BeardedWolfKingCorrect
The Velaryons and Targaryens are cousins and have been intermarried since the days of old
Valyria it is known go and check the family trees. Aegon the Conqueror Mom was also Velaryon and Targaryen.
The Targaryens and Velaryons intermarried since the Doom, and the Velaryons could've also married other dragon riding houses prior to the Doom. I also want to point out that it's possible the bond between Laenor and Seasmoke could override the lack of Targaryen genetics on the part of Addam, and imply compatibility between dragon and rider is much more complex than mere genetics. It could also help explain why Nettles was also able to claim a dragon.
Valaena Velaryon, mother of the conquerors, is said to have Targaryen blood, so even though the complete Velaryon bloodline is not available (I haven't found it anywhere), there is a greeeaaat possibility that the Velaryons have Targ blood in them
I think in the show they’re setting it up for you to question whether dragons even need valerian blood to be bonded with in the first place.
I was under the assumption that seasmoke was willing to take Darklyn but his obvious fear along with the fear of the dragon tamer that was burned with him is what ruined it
The blood of old valyria.
Corlys definitely has Targaryen in his blood. The Targaryens and Velaryons have been clapping cheeks since before the conquest.
Addam has Mili Vanilli Genes
The idea that only Targaryens can bond with dragons is the misconception. It's anyone with Valyrian blood. And Velaryon is a house of old Valyria.
All people from Valyria can ride dragons. But since wealth is tied to it, there were 40 dragonrider families. Velaryons may not have been dragonlords, but being Valyrian means they have the ability to ride them.
That literally would be the only way to know if laenor was dead. No one's going to get news he died when he was already supposed to be dead and who would even have the time to try to find out or attempt to find him? They've been hinting that seasmoke has been even more restless this season than before which causes me to believe laenor recently died. Honestly it sounds like something daemon would see to as soon as the war started to make sure laenor would never come back because it would completely unravel the Queen's marriage to and Children by Deamon making both illegitimate and call back into question Jace's legitimacy making it so no one would be willing to back her claim. No I think one of the first deaths of the war was laenor.
Corlys very much has Targaryen ancestry
Sir Steffon grew arrogant. One moment he declared dragons as Gods, and then moments later, fully of pride, he said “I did it.” before riding the dragon. The dragon picked up on his arrogance and melted him. Like Daenerys said to that bald owner of the Unsullied: A dragon is not a slave
I think Laenor is the father for sure!!!! He was rambunctious as early teen
The Velaryons are originally Valyrians that came from Valyria, though not dragon riders. House Celtigar was also Valyrian originally. But the Targaryens take intermarriage to a big degree, more than these other houses. I think Laenor being his last rider has a lot to do with what happened in the show.
This is still one of my biggest questions from the book, where does Addam get his dragon-lord genes, i always said it had to be his mother, because velaryons provide wives for targaryens but not vice-versa, so it can't be corlys, the mom has to be a dragon-seed, or it really comes down to what seasmoke wanted?
Darklyn didn’t view dragons as gods, he viewed them as animals. His "I've done it" before even getting on Seasmoke's back shows how little he views the dragon as an equal.
there can always be an exception to the norm
Also if the tale of valyrians being sheep herders is to be true, every person that was a citizen of Valyria most likely shares blood with the first few who became dragon lords before valyrias rise to power. No matter how lowborn the house.
I like that they chose him over nettles though because I didn’t like that. She didn’t have any blood of old Valeria at least that we know about in the books and it looks like sheep. Steeler is going to be claimed by Damon’s youngest daughter.
Corlys has Targaryen ancestry. The families have intermarried for centuries. No contradiction.
Because he Seasmoke only wants Velaryon spice only. If I’m not mistaken Corlys has Targ ancestry
Nettes proves that you don't need to be a Targ to claim a dragon but apparently they cut her huge mistake btw
It was incredibly random how seasmoke and Adam bonded. Would have been nice to see Adam try to get closer to the dragon once, or something more interesting. Season 2 is decent, but it’s being dragged down by the hamfisted way they shoved in Adam, Alan, Hugh, and Ulf.
It's true to the source material though. You don't get a big run up to it. They just tell you it happens. If anything you've got more of a story anywya
I really really wish darklyn couldve trained a dragon , he could’ve been the second dragon knight , that would been cool but goes against the books !
there's no guarantee that Laenor is dead, that dragon bonds work like that
I thought all Valyrians could claim dragons? That Velaryons just preferred boats.
Er... Corlys definitely has Targaryan blood
I guess also it can be that his Targaryen Blood comes froom his mother. Maybe she was the daugther of a bastard of some Targaryen Prince. And is just concindence he also happen to be a Bastard of Corilys is a little convoluted but I guess it works as an explanation.
Corlys has no Targaryen blood!? The Velaryons and Targaryens intermarried regularly from the Doom till the Dance.
Laenor didn't die off screen, they pulled his body out of the fireplace.
What?
Ah yes if only we got to see how they bonded and how addam took his first flight but oh well there was a more important scene they needed to show...
On a Facebook video, i asked how he could ride a dragon is he was half velaryon. I said that i knew 3 houses escaped the doom but only the targaryens were dragon riders. I got so many people arguing over something so small that i got a top fan badge on a page that i has never seen before that 😂
I was really hoping it was Leanor in disguise. It's not like they didn't change actors before
Omg 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️ Velaryons have targ blood way back.. look up a family tree or 2, there's a few Targs. Not to mention they're from old Valeria
Steffon could not claim Seasmoke because he does not have enough Valyrian ancestry. Keeping the blood "pure" and therefore being able to bond with dragons was the whole reason for Targaryen incest.
Corys has to have Targaryen blood. They married and had children with members of House Velaryon all the time
Doesn’t have to be Targaryen to bond with dragons. All families from old Valyria share similar blood and there for have the ability to tame dragons. Just so happens the valeryon house didn’t use dragons but they might’ve used sea serpents instead
Leanor isn't dead. Everyone keeps talking about the bond, while ignoring the fact that Leanor is thousands of miles away. If the bonds were so strong, Seasmoke would simply seek him out. The problem is no one knows how far the bond can actually be sensed, since no dragon rider has ever simply abandoned his dragon before. Saying the bond is unbreakable and lasts forever is nothing but speculation.
😂😂😂😂 Targaryens and Velaryons are the only two house to survive the Doom of old Valeria...... C'mon, y'all dont remember UNC-Velaryon who was complaining about his nephews not being his nephews... they are the 'other- dragon riders😅😅😅😅😅😅
Hello……are we all forgetting about Nettles??? She is not Targaryen and claims a dragon.
Basically this second season is just setting things up for the 3rd seasons? This seasons might be the lowest rating among the entire GoT and HoD season tier list but i could be wrong and last episode blows up and makes this season much better
They aren’t Dragon riders but the Velaryons are the blood of old Valeria it’s entirely possible they married dragon lords prior to the doom. Now we know the Darklyns did too so it could mean little and less but it’s still good for thought.
Or even at one point they could have been dragon lords.
@@EJayMD-11 it’s explicitly stated in both Fire and Blood and the world of ice and fire they were not dragon riders. And if we can make inferences from Feast and Dance it seems like dragons were bonded through blood magic like the blood magic in Eurons horn. It’s very very murky how someone like Addam or Nettles could become dragon riders within the context of what we know about dragons.
@@redranger-x1w yeah, read what I said again.
@@EJayMD-11 you said they could’ve been dragon lords which it is explicitly stated in both fire and blood and world of ice and fire they were never dragon lords. Laenor and Laenas dragons came from their Targaryen mother.
Ah, Wakanda!
In the books isn't nettles a non Valyrian? I think the beliefs that only dragon those with the blood of the dragon can ride. But we don't see that theory tested often.
Why would only Targaryens posess this power. While the Velaryons werent dragon riders they still have Valyrian blood, which far enough back there were no original dragon rider families, only Valyrians , when they first started taming dragons. But also, Velaryons have alot of inter mixing w Targaryens as well as possibly intermixing in the past as well
Na just means out of the 40 families somebody was having chocolate
Targeryan'sn and Valeryon's married each other way before the doom we can assume Adam's blood is way more targeryan than Steffon
Targaryen blood has always mingle in Velaryon because of intermarriage between two families in centuries
His mother must have it then,whoever she is. 🤔
There is never anything saying only targaryens can claim dragons. People with Valyrian blood can claim them. The celtigars and velaryons are valyrian houses along with the targaryens meaning they could realistically all claim if they tried potentially. The Targaryens were just the only ones to bring eggs when they fled valyria.
I'd like to see the proof testing the Maesters/Targaryens have gone through to confirm bonding is 4 life, did they leave Cannibal in Westeros and send his rider back off to Valerya to confirm a dragon bond won't break after a year of separation and a large distance ?
Also Addam not being the son Rhaenys does not mean he has no Targaryen blood relation, we don't know all the intermarriage history between the two families and just because the Maesters report a former Lord Of The Tides does not remove the fact of people cheat / need to get pregnant from elsewhere / have a wife of the lord claim a son as her own from another woman for diplomatic reasons or something.
He's shit posting - everyone knows dragon riding is a Valyrian trait, not a Targ one, and those families have intermarried multiple times anyway. I know house Velaryon isn't KNOWN for dragons but that doesn't mean they don't have the capacity. Bran had the genetics to be a greenseer when he was born, not because he fell out of a window. The window facilitated the skill emerging (as did Summer) but the ability predates that. Just like the genetic predisposition to dragonriding and hatching are already in the Velaryon line, they simply require access to eggs and dragons and the occasional DNA fusion the Targs can provide, to up the statistical likelihood of new Velaryons being born with the right genetics.
You also have to remember the Targs control Dragonstone and went on to subjugate most of the continent - if they choose not to share access to dragons, then Velaryon dragon riders simply won't crop up. You need a dragon to be a dragon rider.
I think the dictum that only Targaryen’s can ride dragons is propaganda.
Exactly, people keep missing this point. Anyone from Valyria or the ancestry can have the connection.
Bro just got claimed.😂
He's most likely Laenor's son.
So Seasmoke pulled up on adam took a whiff and said, “mmmmm salt and Joffery Lonmouth”
The Velaryons and Targaryans have intermarried their great houses for many decades.
@@fortelewisandrew2426 the genealogy in the books is thorough. Addam has no blood of the dragon.
@@johnasricanyes he does
It's their blood and the fact he's half ethnicity Valerian
Or it's the intermarriage that does it
No it never is stayed that only Targaryans can claim dragons but you do need to be of the blood of Valyria, which the Velaryons are.
I thought it was Valyrian blood that bonded them to dragons…
It was never only Targaryens, Valyrian blood can ride dragons. Velaryons came from Valyria