Historical Perspective on Blade Grabs - Showcasing HEMA
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2016
- While there are many RUclips videos that show it is possible to grab a sharp sword, in this episode hosts Sean Franklin and Nicole Smith go over blade grabs from more of a historical perspective: where, when, and how they are applied.
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I love how you guys are so awkward yet very intelligent, it adds to your charm
Fighting in armor is when your blade really comes in... Handy.
nice one
@@mavredium7044 Thanks!
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Funny disclaimers, and I liked the bit at the end.
Also, in all these video demonstrations I've been consistently impressed with how well the instructors handle themselves.
I was wondering what the large gap at the end of the video was for.
Yeah me too. Totally worth it.
Bad thins happen
I know it's fake, but.... Ow!
3:30, hooking the blade with the cross.
I never see ANYONE do that (at my club)and it’s such a great and (usually) comes unexpected.
Would you guys ever consider talking about using the cross to hook, trap, and lever your opponents blade?
Amazing video as always.
I have to say, I can see a gradual improvement happening every video in the conciseness and quality of your presentation. Good job!!
but, they still talk like robots
Like very correct robots.
"Oh shit oh shit he got ketchup everywhere, i ain't cleanin' that shit up!"
I tried at home that last technique shown at 6:20. Didn't get any ketchup, only blood. Will not recommend (?)
I second the motion to replace all ketchup with human blood. All in favor say "Aye"?
Tasty but not healthy. If you experience unspeakable whispers and nightmares after ingesting human blood, you should stop at once.
Estroll Unless you're a vampire
You guys have both nice definition on your arms...shows that you two practice regularly. Nice demonstrations and explanations. It's great to see a rising interest in real sword fighting.
great video! much appreciated!
i watched the secret end!!!!!!!
One thing I've always wondered about using your off-hand to check an opponent's rapier thrust. Isn't the edge still running across the hand/arm?
If you are wearing long sleeves is should be fine
It depends. Rapiers, being very thrust oriented weapons, often only had the upper 1/3 sharpened, or sometimes they weren't even sharpened at all. So it doesn't pose nearly as much risk to injury as if one were to use the same technique against a longsword. Plus, it's better to have a cut in your hand and your opponent dead than to have an uninjured hand and be dead.
That disarm at 2:47 was so cool
Nice ketchup
Hedge Twentyfour No KETCHUP!
Hedge Twentyfour JUST SAUCE
Hedge Twentyfour RAW SAUCE
The ending made my day xD
I think this video just gave me butterflies. Its like I'm in high school all over again.
Super Video! Respect, keep going!
Now, what interests me since several years are different fighting techniques with weapons other than swords. Maces and Warhammers in particular, though Greatsword would interest me quite a bit aswell. I dont know if Blood and Iron even works with weapons such as Maces since I've never seen one, but maybe you guys know something about these things and you may be willing to show this :) I'd love it
We may expand on this more in the future, but there are very few sources for Maces or warhammers. They require much less skill to use (No edge alignment issues, less thrusts, etc), and if you can use a sword you can use either fairly easily.
So cool :D
What are your views on grabbing a thrust? Would this be similar to letting the blade slide in your hand and result in a sliced hand? Some fighters I have faced default to grasping a thrust and it is very frustrating to spar with them.
That's some fancy swordplay there 👏
I'm a bit new to sword fighting and I was wondering when it would be appropriate to go for blade grabs and other grappling as opposed to just parrying their strike and going for a cut of your own
I usually do them when I notice my opponent only commits to half cuts (Stopping more or less upon impact instead of following through), so I know I can interrupt their strike with an aggressive upward motion which will break their structure, and make it take a tiny bit of time before they can recover. Since they stop half way, their sword is right there for grabbing before they have to recover. Just one example of many.
Julian Schuetze ok thank you
Very good video that's put aside some of my doubts. I still feel that the majority of blade grabs in sparring aren't valid and would likely slice someones hand open, but you can't really prove that when you're both using blunt swords.
2:48 I was like "Holy Shit"
The end tho 😱
Question: the longswords at 1:00 (the first demonstration) and at 2:28 (the cross guard grab), i quite like them..... where and can they be acquired? Do you have the basic metrics on them? Cheers and keep up with the nice videos!
The first sword is the Cold Steel Italians that we blunted the tip with, and the second is the Albion Crecy
Thanks for that info! :D
when sharing to Facebook, the title of the video is different (" Showcasing HEMA - Flashy Techniques 2 - Fundamentals"). The proper title can be seen on the preview image, tho'.
Yeah, when I originally uploaded the video unlisted for review I put in the wrong title by accident. I fixed it pretty quickly, but RUclips can be slow with updating little things like that.
Instructions not clear. Need more bandages.
I always wonder : why don't you see blade grabbing in kenjutsu ? I am talking about koryu, authentic japanese martial arts used in the battlefield. As far as I know (by watching the demonstrations), there aren't that much of blade grabs, except maybe grabbing the back of the blade while pressing the edge against your own blade.
1) Extensive use of off-hand or secondary hand in swordsmanship.
2) Different sword designs that don't really allow much secure blade grabbing, and certain features of East Asian swords that allow them to have very strong draw-cutting capacity.
3) Different approach towards combat, such as
- different methods of binding
- swordsmanship philosophies that stress reach, hand protection, and thrusting seen in certain Longsword or Rapier systems did not develop in East Asia. East Asian swordsmanship styles more or less tend to be balanced cut-and-thrust styles, or cut-and-thrust systems that slightly favor cutting/striking.
In East Asian swordsmanship (not only Kenjutsu, but also Chinese/Korean Daofa and Jianfa), they approach close quarter combat with swords differently compared to how Medieval and Renaissance HEMA do. They use binding & winding, but it is primarily done with the tip and the middle part of the blade, rather than letting the opponent's sword slide to the forte too often. The way how East Asian swordsmanship tend to bind is a bit strange from the HEMA perspective, as the tip (foible) is often depicted in HEMA as the "weak" of the blade, and thereby not the most efficient tactic. However, this involves how different cultures designed their swords, with different blade geometry/blade construction methods and different degrees of springiness in the blades. It is a rough analogy, but East Asian swordsmanship styles simply don't bind the way how certain Longsword systems do. (which is often much "tighter, closer and slower" by comparison). But of course, all of this depends on the sword profile and the different approaches different schools take on combat. Some Longswords may be stiffer than others.
The off-hand or the secondary hand is also constantly involved in combat in East Asian swordsmanship, always supporting the off-hand or constantly moving about in conjunction with the body. This is done in order to assist in a block/strike or grab/trap the opponent's weapon (or prevent the opponent from doing so). In essence, the weapon becomes more of an "extra limb" so to speak than a tool, and becomes much more "connected" to the user while sacrificing a degree of reach and hand protection (which many Longsword systems tend to prioritize). Under these circumstances, accompanied by how East Asian martial lineages encourage to use the same principles and movements from unarmed martial arts in swordsmanship - reliably grabbing the enemy's blade in the middle of combat becomes a much more dangerous task, if not an inefficient one. Not to mention extended guard positions being pretty uncommon in East Asian swordsmanship, which makes blade grabbing even more difficult.
The different blade construction designs can also affect the overall cutting ability of swords, aside from how they bind. This may be surprising, but by nature medieval European swords technically tend to be "sharper" than Katanas, as they tend to possess blades that are broader and less thicker, and have more distal taper. The thing about cutting ability though is that they aren't solely determined by superficial appearances; overall blade construction matters as well. For instance, a lot of the East Asian swords (Dao/Katana & Jian) don't have secondary bevels, so they can often produce not only effective cuts, but also extremely fearful draw-cuts.
With most weapons, even when highly sharpened, if you lay the edge of it against someone, put pressure and draw, you will not cut very deeply (the depth of the cut is limited by the secondary bevel - leather gloves, decently thick clothing or gambeson/buff jack armor will stop it reasonably well). A Katana, however, because it lacks a secondary bevel, is almost guaranteed to open a major artery in a draw cut. This creates a uniquely different "effective range" for a Katana practitioner. If one places one's hand on the back of the blade, one can create killing wounds at "dagger range", while still retaining the tactical flexibility of having the reach of a long sword if needed. A Katana also tends to be shorter with a one-handed sword length blade, and it can function pretty well even if the user is in contact distance, even without halfswording. A European Longsword at the same range would be, while not useless, far more awkward, as a lot of them have blades that go above 36 inches. Due to these differences in their swords, East Asia and Medieval/Renaissance Europe developed completely different methods for fighting in close range with swords, despite having swords that look superficially similar.
Grabbing a curved blade without getting cut is extremely difficult, as the angles mean less hand contact, and thus more slippage.
Hello. Is there a chance to get similar videos for maces and warhammers. Would be interesting to see. +If such already are somewhere, a link would be appreciated since my eyes are made of wood and cant find them myself. :)
I posted this above, same answer: "We may expand on this more in the future, but there are very few sources for Maces or warhammers. They require much less skill to use (No edge alignment issues, less thrusts, etc), and if you can use a sword you can use either fairly easily."
Wow, nice material,, good explenation, but how can you perform sword fighting like its a teleshop commercial? :)
What does this mean...?
Very effective against an Estoc I guess.
Nothing is effective against the mighty Bestoc!
The last 5 seconds of the video!!! AGHHH!!! Hahahah you're awful! Love it!
Make sure to post the vid when ur at the hospital having them stitch ur fingers back on!!
i wonder if you deflected once, successfully.. it will still work.. or be used against you - and you lose a few fingers?
I know that these techniques are meant to be quick but just out of interest does the risk increase if your opponent is stronger than you? If say you're unarmed and you're actually trying to grapple for the longsword, is a stronger opponent likely to pull it out through your hands before you can disarm?
Robert R Well, if you are absolutely unarmed, you're already dead, because the wouldn't stop moving until it hit you. if you could stop it with good placed block from smthing like a Metall pipe, or better lock Blades, than you could grad it, move it out of your way and Land a free fatal hit. however, if you make it obvious and your opponent has time to react, you lost your only chance
Patrik Well if you're completely unarmed, you're obviously not going to catch the blade while it's swinging. You'd try to step past it on the outside of its swing then grapple. But my real question is, can a stronger opponent pull a blade out through your hands?
Robert R If he is much stronger than you, yes. But considerably stronger
Depends. If you have a good enough grip on the sword and your opponent pulls really hard what usually ends up happening is that they pull you around.
Just a tip - a grip strength does not come from muscles you can simply see. A big man can have big arms, but weak grip.
You guys need to be contacted as consultants for Hollywood movies.
spasibo
I’ve been wondering what napoleon dynamites uncle has been doing....
Damn movie should really look into these techniques, with a good fight coordinator it would make fights more realistic throw in some fancy moves to make it not boring.
Hi, what’s sword appeared in 2:38.
Looks like an arming sword.
living up to your name with that ending eh?
i like when people say that european swords were blunt because it is shown people grabbing blades in depictions.
The Katana cultists I presume?
Rayjin ϟ No, some really intelligent people.
Being intelligent in one area does not necessary mean intelligence in other areas.
To be fair, if you don't know otherwise, it's not a stupid conclusion. They just need to be educated in the glorious ways of HEMA ;)
Who is that Valkyrie?
Out of curiosity, how would you free your blade if an opponent grabs it?
There are a variety of ways but what I would recommend is attempting to get two handed leverage back on the weapon or immediately start grappling.
A techinique I found when sparring that works SURPRISELY well against people who aren't very good grapplers, if you grabbed their sword and they grabbed your sword, quickly drop your sword and put both hands on their sword to bind their own blade against the back of their neck. This works because they only have one hand on their blade and you've temporarily disabled ,their ablity to use their left hand because it's holding your dropped sword by the blade, you can use your full two handed leverage to crumple their structure and get them securely bound up. You can also possibly combine it with a throw.
Yeah that's what I was going to say, practically speaking, the moment the opponent has a hold of your blade they have made a commitment. So either force that commitment further or force them to break free by offering a more pressing threat than a halted blade. Ideally an off hand strike or maneuver to off balance them.
@Cade Thumann
In realistic and historical accounts when the bind has taken place the fight usually descends into grappling, throwing your opponent to the ground then either stabbing him to death with your dagger, or using his disarmed weapon to kill him while he's on the ground. It's been speculated that this is actually how the Archers killed the French Knights and Agincourt.
Chainmail glove would work perfectly here
3:50, Смотришь и понимаешь, чни ничего не понимаешь. Остается лишь вопрос, а что это было?!
oh, i though blade grabbing was just a dirty technique i invented, but hey, i guess it isn't. still, mastered it's a very useful tech
She got some.fine muscles
nice ketchup at the end
I've resisted commenting on blade grabs, but I strongly feel the need today. It depends on the sword. If it is a sharp katana, and your opponent is even half skilled, you WILL be bleeding no matter how "safely" you try to grab it over the edge with bare hands. The next thing is that you'll be seeing blood on the floor wondering whose it is. The cuts will be PAINLESS and deep. We tried this several times, and the outcome is always the same: Painless deep cuts. Lots of blood.
But but but in anime you can stop the sword with one finger if you're bad ass enough 🙁☹
*smirk* "Weak, very weak. You're two thousand years too early to challenge me!"
These peeps are swole as!
ketchup packet (I HOPE!)
Please tell me that was ketchup
Not convince me. With your only 3 medals hung over the wall. Whos out of his mind to grab a sword.
Just in case this wasn't sarcasm (hard to read online) that wall definitely has more than 3 medals. - i.imgur.com/Jon4V5j.jpg
Против такой Воительницы!!! Я даже с ломом, от которого как всем известно приёма нет. Вышел бы в последний раз! ;)))
You almost fooled me at the end, untill I noticed how scripted the reaction was, plus your lack of pain and the fact that the ''blood'' did not behave like blood.
Be honest. It was ketchup, wasn't it?
do they call you sherlock?
No martial art that's 100% risk free? Have you heard of Tai Chi?
Tai chi is not martial Art!
Its only a Healing Art !
Is she going to spank him with those gloves at the end? or is glove spanking covered in the next video?
@ minutes of nothing got a thumbs down from me!
scottdeaussie did you check at the end?
Some pointers but it is so obvious that none of the "instructors" has ever been in a ŕeal fight.
Why is it obvious? They spar plenty enough, they cut a lot, and engage in many activities to simulate real combat as closely as possible, which in some cases is really close. They are both excellent fighters who are both tremendously more likely to succeed in a "real fight" than a normal, untrained person, no matter how much "street fight grit" you throw into it.
That point aside, we don't know their life stories, and their is nothing in this video that gives us any hints one way or another.
You are factually incorrect.
@@BloodandIronHEMA Ok. I think it is more of a Hollywood perception that long swords were used without a shield (pre rapiers, fencing duels and pistols). A hand is vulnerable (even with a protective glove that hand is sensitive to twists + cutting and crushing damage from strikes). You would prefer a fat shield that can be used way better defensively and offensively instead. That sword goes with a shield.
@@d4n3d Longswords are not depicted as being used with shields in historical sources. A longsword is a two handed sword. There are far better options to go with a shield than a longsword, which is meant to be used in two hands. It doesn't matter what you prefer either. A duel should be fought with similar weapons. If you want to duel with shields you would clearly not use a weapon meant to wielded in two hands. You clearly have no clue about the history of dueling.
Blade grabs are unrealistic and ahistorical. Just kidding.