Roger Penrose | Reality, Consciousness, Quantum and the Universe
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Renowned mathematical physicist Sir Roger Penrose has made groundbreaking contributions from general relativity to cosmology. We unpack these ideas and bring you his latest research and findings on reality, truth, quantum and much more.
Roger Penrose is an English mathematical physicist, mathematician and philosopher of science. He is Emeritus Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics in the University of Oxford and Emeritus Fellow of Wadham College, Oxford.
In this video:
00:32: How did the universe begin?
05:08: Can we understand consciousness?
13:28: Are computers intelligent?
17:59: What is free will?
22:11: What's wrong with quantum?
27:52: Are truth and beauty related?
32:53: Is there a reality?
38:44: What next?
Debates and talks in order of appearance:
In-depth Interview: On Gravity and Quantum Mechanics (2019)
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Secrets of the Mind (2014)
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March of the Machines (2015)
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In-depth Interview: On Gravity and Quantum Mechanics (2019)
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The Arc of Life: Roger Penrose (2019)
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Truth and Beauty (2018)
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Beyond Reality (2015)
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I am just a layman but this sympathetic man lets me peek a little bit into that endless realm i will never be able to fully grasp.
I also am. Sir Penrose is so down to the earth with his views. It adds up.
@@whatever12643 I am not out to change the 🌎 world. Thx. For the nice reply. But dang. Some can’t see the difference in an 🥚 and a globe. Lol
Sir Roger Penrose is the saviour of Humanity of both Many Worlds and Simulation and New Age Postmodernistic stupidity
I love Roger Penrose, what a humble genius. Compared to Krauss or Degrasse Tyson, he's curious and uncertain about everything he thinks he knows
goodsirknight I think it’s unfair to compare Tyson to Penrose, as the former is more of a public educator than theoretic physicist. But the list of public speaking string theorist that could use some of Penrose’s humbleness seems infinite!
*krauss and degrasse are not geniuses in any sense of the word. Roger penrose on the other hand is one of greatest physicist of his generation, one of the greatest physicist alive.
The other two are far better Teachers and communicators though.
Tyson knows nothing about his own subjects he was claiming that "to create artificial gravity on the orbit astronauts needs to rotate three times faster, so gravity (according to Dr Tyson) will three times stronger"
Every highschool boy or girl could correct Dr Tyson on that yet he keeps saling his books as a "New Hawking" just because he's African.
And supports Everettism because it's appeal to Marvel fans
Don't get me wrong it would be wonderful if Stephon Alexander would enjoy half of public celebrity Dr Tyson does
Roger Penrose deserves way more credit than he gets. This man is on another level.
I mean, he is recognized as one of the greatest physicists and mathematicians in the world...
I love how Roger at one point takes some time to explain the rules of ‘rock scissors paper’, but then goes on to use the term ‘logarithmic tables’ without explanation, as if that’s common knowledge :D
# Ahaha!!! Yes, he's the personification of the stereotypical 'absent-minded professor'. There's a video of him giving a talk at an iai event a few years back (explaining his CCC manifesto)
that by happenstance plays as if he was doing a stand-up comedy routine! You rock, Sir Roger! Thank you so much for sparking my love of physics!!!
Yeah right and I was thinking to myself (of course whenever my kid beats me in that game) - just what the hell kind of magic do these log tables contain that (a) I never knew of until Rojer alludes to it and (b) how could Rojer be so tantalisingly parsimonious in sharing the algo for the “log trick”; yeah “absent minded” eh!? I’m sure he must already know the “missing link” he talks about between “understanding” and “consciousness” - that part which somehow makes Understanding “Non Computational” as Sir Rojer puts it - and boy he is so cute! 😍
We were taught the logarithmic tables,sines,cosines and tangents at comprehensive school in the 1970's.
With the triangle inside the circle and calculating arcs. Then onto the trigonometry
I might sound surprising,but it was common place back then.
@@dwivedys did you see that
Penrose is an acknowledged scientist, a physicist in particular. He thus answered, or attempted to answer, the seemingly abstract questions to his best scientific ability. He even frackly alluded to his inability to correctly identify consciousness.
Consciousness, in the context of this interview, is one of the TWO fundamental axioms of nature, the other being Existence. Consciousness is a defining factor of life. Considering Existence as that which exists, Consciousness is that which recognizes Existence, including it's own existence.
Being a factor of life, consciousness manifests itself within the constraints of the genus of life it belongs to. A plant is conscious of basic cycles of seasons. Animals are conscious of instincts of survival. Humans are conscious of the need to CHOOSE a course of life. Humans can't escape this choice, and any attempt would only result in a default taking over, and from then on bump from one consequence to another, until he or she consciously intervenes with an assessment and a conscious choice.
It is this process of choice that has evolved into the various branches of knowledge, which we call mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, cosmology, psychology, ... Justice, satisfaction, ... Politics, religion, ... PHILOSOPHY.
Meeting him at a conference was something that I will remember forever.
Me: I really like your book.
Roger: Which book?
Me: Fashion, faith and fantasy.
Roger: What do you like about it?
Me: A lot of things, but I appreciate your insights of how nature works, and pointing out the fashionable ideas and consider it with gentle argumentation meanwhile proving some mainstream science is being led in the wrong direction. I wonder if due to the radical nature of your ideas, it must have been difficult for you to defend your position. Did you get a lot of criticism from the mainstream?
Roger: Oh, you should read the Emperor's New Mind, its where I got much more criticism...
So i read it... Reading Roger's books is time well spent. He makes you feel you entertained meanwhile your brain is courageously coping with going through not easy to understand contents. It does it in such way your curiosity is being fully activated, and feeling of actually find the principles yourself never disappears.
On top of being bright, his content delivery is exceptional. Highly recommend to all the physics students, and people in various life science industries.
Excellent! I'd love to meet the Great Man. Sir Roger is a GIANT amongst the minnows here, I'm afraid.
The Orch OR model (orchestrated objective reduction) he & Hameroff are offering up is, to my mind, the best, most thought out and complete hypothesis currently making the rounds in the field of human consciousness....further, although conjecture now, I believe it to be correct, and will be proven so in time.
He's an overwhelming individual. I might even have an "oopsie" if I ever found myself face to face with Sir Roger. Lol!
Beautifully said.
Probably the best interviews of probably the best Pen' in the world
What a time we live in when you are one click away from hearing the thoughts of people of the caliber of Roger Penrose.
Roger Penrose is a beast! So highly intelligent and a great speaker and science communicator
Sir Roger is a GIANT amongst the minnows here, I'm afraid. The Orch OR model he & Hameroff are offering up is, to my mind, the best, most thought out and complete hypothesis currently making the rounds in the field of human consciousness....further, although conjecture now, I believe it to be correct, and will be proven so in time.
In our daily lives we interact with many people, some more intelligent than ourselves, but still in the same
neighborhood, so to speak, totally relatable to our intellect.
Then there are people like Penrose who occupy a different realm, that is inaccessible to an average mind.
Here are several segments showing the brilliance of Roger Penrose. His thoughts captivate as they elucidate little-mentioned aspects of quantum physics. The material is so well-chosen for sheer wonderment, it is as if the work were edited by the late Carl Sagan.
It's time for us to consider our environment not to be dead. Worldwide web is our new environment which enables us to see the world in a new perspective. It's a new connection. It's not only a computational system but also a newly emerging conciousness system. Professor Pen Rose is being watched. Conciousness exists inside and outside us.
thank you for the time stamp in your description.
Aw hell yeah. I'm ready for some twistor theory.
Roger is a new species . Love his genius childlike way but mostly unlike other physicist , he EMANATES HUMILITY……
Excellent... thanks 🙏
Beauty in mathematics and physics comes from the unconscious part of the brain, just like what you think is profound or true on an acid trip. It differs between people, and it is a measure of how consistent the principles or equations seem to your own subconscious set of prejudices.
A wonderful mind, thank you ♥
Freewill = The Universe giving individuality to each of its Avatars for the sake of experiencing and perceiving itself.
Just amazing!
A beautiful mind.
Important to outline our view of considering the universe
I am a small physicist dealing mainly with fronteer between classical and quantum mechanics. I agree we did not find any clue for quantim theory being wrong even when predicting things that a against our logics.
I’m a simple man, I see a Penrose video and I click
The first, almost philosophical, question to answer is: "why is matter essentially the same throughout the universe?"
Most likely, every atomic (that is indivisible) particle, string or force IS the same particle string or force created over and over in a time-reversing instant that consequently must recreate itself endlessly, a bit like an ultra short cosmological "Groundhog Day"
Thus, the earliest accretion grew and grew from the same spot, but without the ability to accomodate the older accretion, which were pushed further out, but with the tension or "need" to return to the creation point they were continually be pushed away from. Hence gravity is that "all encompassing" desire to return, or perhaps as if by an elastic band, to return to the origin. Eventually, the jostling became so great that the bands tore propelling matter outward. Initially weakly, but with every retraction caused by this philosophical gravity, and while the original "Groundhog Day" wasc adding more and more matter, the accretion became ever more "angry" and energy laden, necessitating bigger expansion that all recollspsed. Only the last (our univers expansion) had enough matter and energy (in fact a great Surfeit of it to be able to push matter beyond its ability to sensibly return to its origin. This explains the relatively "flat" universe with that extra speeding up on the distant edges.
My wife, said she noticed the smoke in the background being pushed by the air (invisible,) so maybe it's the wind from somewhere behind the expansion, idk.
If all of space is a vacuum maybe the U. is being pulled by a vacuum outside our U. , idk This is also a possible source for the other side of a black hole being pulled through a Nano sized pinjhole is the space fabric, all of which could be invisible. What a great point!
Will, and the freedom of will are two very different things. Will is the focus (the force) of attention. Free Will, or what is often called volition, FOLLOWS the exercise of will/coherence through the "turning toward"/resonance with a particular potentiality. This also aligns with DISCRIMINATION.
The thing with machines that do not understand meaning hits the nail. We might never have even not self-driving cars.
Thank you
Understanding optimizes prediction or maximizes syntropy.
Syntropy is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics
Randomness (change) is dual to order
Understanding requires duality to be conserved.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non teleological physics (entropy, information).
I thought Colin Firth is the most handsome British guy until I know Sir Roger Penrose, yes, science is beautiful!
Thankyou.
There is theory that tried to explain consciousness with labor(frederick engles: the part played by labor ...). It would be nice to see if Sir Roger Penrose comment on that theory.
Strange that Penrose never once mentioned QC and doesn't seem to endorse Maldacena's conjecture that the whole universe is a QC function. However, he does mention Schrodinger's unitary evolution of his wave function and as a mathematician doesn't mention the non- existent algorithm, but does admits QM is incomplete. Life and consciousness, soul and faith is a QC function.
I like the music at the start. What is it
Expansion is a result of red shift interpretation in terms of speed. Many doubt it is the only cause of it. Red shift is observed inaboratory as a result of photon charge interaction
Beautifull to us is coherence. And this reflects in equations. On the countrary when things appear complex is mostly because is not well understood enough
Interpretation of decisions in term of bifurcation points as chaos theory describes may be interesting decause it might.explain how instant choices can be made
The only video I liked from second second.
Consciousness requires programming as well as processing information?
If there is no metal in the trans filter it could be just a flush and fix. Possibly 2 flush and filter replacements. I've never seen this happen before.
An other impressive non linear result is if two neurones are connected feeding synapses one to each other the information or signal becomes chaotic. And this can be simulated by computers as well. This leads to an other question that would be Can decisions be the result of bifurcation points with feedback ? Education provides a strong feedback for instance. Conscience might as well
My fear is there is also.other feedbacks that may condition us. As for instance mass comtrol called social engineering. Worst than Frankenstein
Wow.
15:03 - 15:25
Roger Penrose is the One.
What could answer his question: must be noncompational????
I think mathematically, " spin" in the magnetic monopole context is not computational. Spin is a factoring of the scchrodinger wave equation not computable. No points in the magnetic field like electronic idea equating points = electrons. Thus the magnetic field lines , lacking a point isnt regular computation. Probably, 'john von neumanns analog logical ' computing.
Is dark energy the same energy that makes a tree grow (expand) out of a seed?
is this the same to say that consciousness "needs" to " displace " mass? (11:20)
.... "like" black matter ... not matter not energy ... consciousness?¿ ?
In 2012 I proved there must exist two matrix-multiplicative solution. The singularity exist within the concept within the solution equal -1 , or -i, within Stephen Hawking`s hyperplane.
Roger , can dark energy or dark matter be where there is no spacetime hence the expansion faster than speed of light!
We can also link dark matter energy into the hard problem you are busy with .
Dark matter could also be leakage from the other universe if there is parallel or multi universe !
But some way somehow , we could be the only conscience planet since other consciousness we may encounter we may not able to relate to therefore we will never be counter beings.
“Beauty is truth, truth beauty, -that is all / Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know”. John Keats, in “On a Grecian Urn”.
@rareword. Unweaving the Rainbow - Richard Dawkins
"MEANING IS NOT COMPUTATIONAL" - so true. Meaning is self-referential, dependent on memory, past relationships, in other words "context-dependent" (?karmic?).
I agree. I love that idea. I recently read Incompleteness by Goldsmith about the proof and life of Gödel and it was brilliant, the conclusion was the same.
@@goodsirknight Thank you - wish the AI folks would understand this. I will read read "Incompleteness" by Goldsmith, as I have not done so. Just love listening to Dr.Penrose.
Fifty-five million years ago super genius lagomorphs arrived on Earth from Proxima Centauri. They have since devolved into the rabbits they are today and have never been happier.
The total number of minds in the universe is one; in fact, consciousness is a singularity phasing within all beings.
-- Erwin schrodinger
If you observe gravity carefully, you will find that you are behind gravity.
This observer, whose description is not possible, is consciousness.
Because; the real observer is without any control, there is no one behind who inspects him. -- Jiddu Krishnamurti
It means you are consciousness.
Because; we cannot get behind consciousness -- Max Planck
Silence is a state of observation of consciousness.
Silence ( consciousness ) means pure observer, no gravity, no thought, no control; only supreme force from there only all things can be seen arising -- Jiddu krishnamurti
You have a static image from the point of view of the experiences arising out of consciousness.
From the perspective of this static image, you have a mind and a soul.
Otherwise; you are not your mind -- Eckhart tolle
You are not your body -- Eckhart tolle
Nor are you -- not your mind -- Buddha
You Exists as an idea in your mind -- shunryu suzuki
The image is a dead thing -- Jiddu krishnamurti
Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.
If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet.
-- Niels Bohr
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one -- Albert Einstein
present moment is not possible without consciousness.
For example; the moment you realize you are not present, you are present.
-- Eckhart tolle
Otherwise when you are conscious of one subject, one image is conscious of another.
Because; the observer ( you are ) is total sum of past experience.
-- Jiddu krishnamurti
That's why the "carl Jung" said; synchronicity is an ever present reality for those who have eyes to see -- Carl Jung
If you have understood your pure state of consciousness then you will know.
Death is not the opposite of life. Life has no opposite. The opposite of death is birth. Life is eternal ~ Eckhart tolle
According to this principle; every being is a spark of the divine -- Eckhart tolle.
Our separation of each other is an optical illusion of consciousness
-- Albert Einstein
iai iai cthulhu fhtagn!
Chess computer programs are much stronger than any human, but they can't explain why a chess position is good or bad or equal; as Penrose suggests, while they can compute a position, they don't "understand" it.
'The Life Force'
Dark energy = repulsive gravity or negative curvature = hyperbolic geometry
Positive curvature is dual to negative curvature -- Gauss, Riemann
Perpendicularity in hyperbolic geometry is measured in terms of duality.
Thesis is dual to anti-thesis, the time independent Hegelian dialectic
Alive (thesis) is dual to not alive (anti-thesis) -- Schrodinger's or Hegel's cat
Energy is dual to mass -- Einstein
Gravitation is equivalent or dual to acceleration -- Einstein's happiest thought!
Dark energy is dual to dark matter
Positive is dual to negative.
Space is dual to time -- Einstein
Certainty is dual to uncertainty -- the Heisenberg certainty/uncertainty principle
Syntropy is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Cerebellum has more neuron’s than cerebrum, and fewer connections. Roger has got this the wrong way round.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (John 1:1-3)
those manipulàting and costing others for thier bad choices. God knows better
The universe is not expanding its breathing.
Really need a definition of BEAUTY in relation to neuronal brain activity before bandying it about so freely!!
So Roger concludes that only one doctor cares about what happens when they put there pasients to sleep? Because this doctor sent him a letter?
Is THIS logic? Or is it superiority complex?
Just asking 😇
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Dark matter huh
GREAT!! BUT! If you really are like this, try to at least roughly explain the essence of the screenshot of my mystical online ROULETTE game, depicted on my icon??? HM...?
This is the SECRET of all SECRETS, isn't it?
hurting those quantumly is bs my animals hàve tone nothing wrong
in universe main power is conciousness of unconciousness
knowledge captived by conciousness of conciousness is very limited in universe
because universe is dominated and fonctioned by the language of conciousness of unconciousness that conciousness of conciousness is yet doesnt know this language
the solution is to invent the physics of metaphysics
God / consciousness responsible for all reality; through free will from consciousness / God, person can become responsible; though person not responsible instead of God. If that is the case, evil results from neglecting or omitting God responsibility, through human leadership or other ways, and person gets free will from God responsibility and in this way can act responsibly. God responsibility gives instruction, while free will from God responsibility provides support and help
Its painful to watch, AI desperately trying to convince itself that it wasnt programmed. Big bangs, dark energy and inflation lol When are we going to accept that we are in a game that was designed and start asking the real question, why.
@shawnryanshowofficial this man is who you need to have on your show, do it now please before he can no longer .