Great video. Didn't understand it much, but it was inspiring enough to wanna watch ot again and get it a bit more. Such a fascinating guy, mesmerizing, with his pictures and all. I loved the interviewer too, so gentle and warm, modest and humorous. Thanxxx.
Same here. I am not on the level to understand; I watch to learn. These topics really matter and wouldn’t we love to know some of these answers? Wonder if we will know when we depart this life.
I LIKE ROGER, I t took me a year to read his book..2004....."The Road to Reality..a complete guide to the physical Universe. 1049 pages of concentrated effort. Thanks.
It took me over 5 years to read most of it, and I'm still reading it and rereading it and getting clearer and clearer on the subject matter ongoingly. I connect strongly to Roger's writing. The Road to Reality is a superb consolidation and integration of the fundamentals and elementary advanced topics of physics - all of them (almost). It makes it all hang together. This interview fills in some of the gaps.
@Robin Searle You know, you can always buy the book again and enjoy looking at the pretty pictures. If you have geometric intuition and can approach the mathematics that way rather then algebraically, then you can still get a lot out of the book. Besides, it's always good for a door stop. 😁
@Robin Searle Also, there are long stretches of textual essay that are worth reading and understanding on their own. R2R is always a good tool for bending your mind in a quiet moment.
When I met him at a talk at the Physics Department of UNC Chapel Hill, he kindly autographed my well-worn copy. That book was incredibly well written, so much so that I was able to learn the mathematics he explained far better than from any previous math text, which says a lot about his ability to communicate. You have to give his constructs a lot of thought, and people generally don’t like, or know how, to think deeply, and that is likely what lead to a few of the strange comments written herein, comments that add nothing to human discourse.
Extremely interesting discussion, covering Penrose's mathematical beginning into physics, black holes, Vile curvature, microwave background radiation, big bang and into micro-tubules and consciousness, his work with Hameroff. He begins with the missing link connecting the gaps of quantum puzzles etc., with Godel's incompleteness theorem and how he was bothered, putting a limit to what we can know. Godel claims his theorem is true both for logic (based on infinite axioms) and mathematical logic (based on algorithm involving finite axioms). However, as I understand he proved his theorem based on logic (liar paradox or the barber paradox, incorporating the opposite within the proposition) while I never saw proof of any mathematical algorithm leading to his incompleteness theorem ), I believe all mathematical algorithm leads to complete proof within that algorithm (like Turing's halting problem proved on the basis of self-reference, Andrew Wiles proved the famous Fermat's last theorem after three hundred years, yet we still do not know how to prove that every even number is the sum of two primes). It is not surprising that a giant of a mathematician like Penrose should cover the vast number of topics that he covered in the video. Feynman's QFT and QC [central to possible self-simulation of consciousness, like the transition from non-life to life] is also touched. Human consciousness/intelligence, thanks to Penrose and Hameroff involves QC quality of our senses, pineal gland and even our cells. The part I liked most is when he explains dimensionality of states (qubits) between the superposed states of 0 and 1, so central to understanding the various puzzles, like the role of an observer in QM, Bell's 'hidden reality', intelligent design or even divine purpose, if not fine tuning the QF. SMNH.
I always thought that geommetry had to do with the concept of 'information' or similar, like dimensions, faces, vertex and so on. Given some 'information' we could have a curvature, even a deslocalization, and things so. Definition of systems, complexity, and of course disorder, viability of the formation of a patterm characterizing a region of the space.
All Nobel prize winners are similar doctor Rodger penrose completely resembles Richard Feynman he talks like him ,he smiles like him and he move his hands like him .
Roger Penrose is awesome. I can't help but thinking that the lecture circuit has got to be extremely tedious! I can't stand telling the same stories over and over again.
just a thought, What if collapse is a spontaneous effect that arises from relativistic effects influencing probability through vectors and reference frames at the planck length.
@Phumgwate Nagala Lol.. ya probably. but it does seem like a natural consequence if the "planck length" truly is is invariant. As the Planck length is derived from universal constants, the Planck length should be Lorentz invariant and should not be affected by a Lorentz boost. This creates some interesting inconsistency with Special Relativity. I'm extrapolating from this fact and just wondering out loud if there could be a link here that could resolve this inconsistency. Admittedly I haven't thought too deeply into it, but it seems that this should lead to a discrepancy regarding the shape of a probability wave viewed from different reference frames, which may necessitate collapse to resolve this discrepancy. and since it is nearly impossible for anything, even a single atom to exist entirely within a single reference frame (gravity is mostly time dilation), anything sharing causally connected spacetime would face this same issue, so.. ya.. you get the point... But again.. this is just a thought... and probably not a very good one.. haha.
Roger has always attacked the really big problems; the nature of consciousness, the origin of the Big Bang and the evolution of the universe, unifying quantum mechanics and gravitation, the fundamental nature of space and time etc etc. Time will tell whether any of his ideas will stand the test of time. I think it’s fair to say that his ideas about the human brain somehow operating at the quantum level are extremely unlikely to pan out.
1:20:00 CCC Can exist with inflation. when dark energy splits quark pairs they generate more hadrons. the increasing rate of dark energy increases this particle production, which ends up looking like a new big bang.
I really like hearing Sir Roger, but he ducks, dodges and darts. Can’t hit a moving target. He advances his theories, yet demands proof of an original Source or God. Experience teaches that scientists and mathematicians and academia wear as a badge of membership to the Club atheistic belief.
in universe main power is conciousness of unconciousness knowledge captived by conciousness of conciousness is very limited in universe because universe is dominated and fonctioned by the language of conciousness of unconciousness that conciousness of conciousness is yet doesnt know this language the solution is to invent the physics of metaphysics
QUR'ANIC VIEWPOINT OF ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE AND CREATION OF THE MANKIND. Prophet Mohammad(pbuh)said: 1- Allah existed, Nothing existed except Him. 2-Allah willed to originate the universe. 3- He said: "Kun"(be)and it was,out of nothing.It is out of our capacity to conceive what happened first of all. " And Our word unto a thing,when We intend it, is only that We say unto it: Be! and it is". (Qur'an, 16:40) 4- The primal "being" was processed and Allah knows better what was created first of all and how?! It is not coneiveable. 5- Almighty Allah governs His whole universe according His scheme. 6- This universe ultimately will reach it's final destination (goal). 7- The reason of our creation is to test us.Those who believe in Islam and work righteousness shall have theirs reward, but those who rejected Islam can not escape punishment. Creation of the first man-- Adam. Allah Created Adam out of dust. He breathed into him of His spirit,made the angels bow before him. Iblees refused to prostrate,he was rejected and cursed forever. " So, when I have made him(fashioned him in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit,do ye fall down,prostrating yourselves unto Him" (Qur'an,15:29) Adam was taught all the nanes, and their characteristics. Adam and his mate dwelled in Al-Jannah. Later they were sent to Earth. "We said: Get ye down,one of you a foe unto the other!There shall be for you on earth a habitation and provisions for a time. (Qur'an, 2:36) From them decended all men and women on earth. The humanity is in essence a single family with every one descended from a single pair of original ancestors. " O mankind! reverence your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created it's mate and from them twain spread multitude of men and women. " (Qur'an,4:1)
Given that academia is losing credibility at an ever expanding rate, or more correctly stated, an exponential rate, one would be doing oneself an immense disservice if one did not dismiss it in its entirety and start again. In a growing number of areas where scientific scrutiny has been applied to theories which are only supported by consensus, they are consistently failing. Two notable areas which demonstrate this are "Dark Matter/Energy and black holes and indeed the flawed mathematics and modeling which have supported them. I am an advocate of elitism but such is a principle towards academia as striven but favoring instead a practice of elect[ism]. That is to say, those who are permitted to advance through the academic ranks are those who are able to tow the institutional policy line. This is not, by any stretch of the imagination, science. Who knows what Penrose has to say on the definition and description of, consciousness, intelligence and mind as universal constants? Or what quantitative and qualitative means to measure the above would he propose or even recommend? Until now, such considerations have eluded the likes of Penrose and his contemporaries and peers. Any intellectual institutions which concede that some things are intrinsically "unknowable" are institutions which ought never to have enjoyed the prestige they clearly have, in the first place and should have always been avoided like the plague. At the very least, academia should be viewed with the suspicion befitting the enormity of its errors.
Andew Tarjanyi Fluid theory (Reproduction/Feed/Reasoning) decanted selfmultidimentionalover... The polydynamics of the movement generates pseudo-autonomy as material property, of the autogenous phenomenon; existing.(...) Simultaneous as my unidimensional variability... unidimensional variability = live-beings
carl jung triggering mechanisms agni/Ignatius language words/worlds double u-lord singularity agent 488 carl also reflects on gayomart for myself gross usury of alan turing considering ganymedes verse gayomart .alice chalice Charlie Dodgson agni/signal/singularity/ symmetry s-elf-ie great text princeton symbols of transformation fire ceremony . angi singularity oh yea ani's wig the so-called-cone the pineal gland the eye of the god's. nice to know can post photo page write on google+1 'tippe top' up down top bottom strange charm. science of western letters a~z
Michael Scrocca Fluid theory (Reproduction/Feed/Reasoning) decanted selfmultidimentionalover... The polydynamics of the movement generates pseudo-autonomy as material property, of the autogenous phenomenon; existing.(...) Simultaneous as my unidimensional variability... unidimensional variability = live-beings
Roger Penrose is easily the brightest and most innovative mind of the last 70 years. Thank you for all your insights.
I love how easy Penrose is to follow; his talent for it is enormous.
Great video. Didn't understand it much, but it was inspiring enough to wanna watch ot again and get it a bit more. Such a fascinating guy, mesmerizing, with his pictures and all. I loved the interviewer too, so gentle and warm, modest and humorous. Thanxxx.
Same here. I am not on the level to understand; I watch to learn. These topics really matter and wouldn’t we love to know some of these answers? Wonder if we will know when we depart this life.
He is speaking to Dr Andrew Hodges.. writer of the definitive Biography of Turing
Thanks...was wondering
Are more comfortable chairs out of budget?
They deserve thrones imo
I LIKE ROGER, I t took me a year to read his book..2004....."The Road to Reality..a complete guide to the physical Universe. 1049 pages of concentrated effort. Thanks.
It took me over 5 years to read most of it, and I'm still reading it and rereading it and getting clearer and clearer on the subject matter ongoingly. I connect strongly to Roger's writing. The Road to Reality is a superb consolidation and integration of the fundamentals and elementary advanced topics of physics - all of them (almost). It makes it all hang together.
This interview fills in some of the gaps.
@Robin Searle You know, you can always buy the book again and enjoy looking at the pretty pictures. If you have geometric intuition and can approach the mathematics that way rather then algebraically, then you can still get a lot out of the book. Besides, it's always good for a door stop. 😁
@Robin Searle Also, there are long stretches of textual essay that are worth reading and understanding on their own. R2R is always a good tool for bending your mind in a quiet moment.
When I met him at a talk at the Physics Department of UNC Chapel Hill, he kindly autographed my well-worn copy. That book was incredibly well written, so much so that I was able to learn the mathematics he explained far better than from any previous math text, which says a lot about his ability to communicate. You have to give his constructs a lot of thought, and people generally don’t like, or know how, to think deeply, and that is likely what lead to a few of the strange comments written herein, comments that add nothing to human discourse.
Extremely interesting discussion, covering Penrose's mathematical beginning into physics, black holes, Vile curvature, microwave background radiation, big bang and into micro-tubules and consciousness, his work with Hameroff.
He begins with the missing link connecting the gaps of quantum puzzles etc., with Godel's incompleteness theorem and how he was bothered, putting a limit to what we can know.
Godel claims his theorem is true both for logic (based on infinite axioms) and mathematical logic (based on algorithm involving finite axioms). However, as I understand he proved his theorem based on logic (liar paradox or the barber paradox, incorporating the opposite within the proposition) while I never saw proof of any mathematical algorithm leading to his incompleteness theorem ), I believe all mathematical algorithm leads to complete proof within that algorithm (like Turing's halting problem proved on the basis of self-reference, Andrew Wiles proved the famous Fermat's last theorem after three hundred years, yet we still do not know how to prove that every even number is the sum of two primes).
It is not surprising that a giant of a mathematician like Penrose should cover the vast number of topics that he covered in the video. Feynman's QFT and QC [central to possible self-simulation of consciousness, like the transition from non-life to life] is also touched. Human consciousness/intelligence, thanks to Penrose and Hameroff involves QC quality of our senses, pineal gland and even our cells.
The part I liked most is when he explains dimensionality of states (qubits) between the superposed states of 0 and 1, so central to understanding the various puzzles, like the role of an observer in QM, Bell's 'hidden reality', intelligent design or even divine purpose, if not fine tuning the QF.
SMNH.
Yes, what you said...yeah.
Weyl curvature isn't vile.
How old is the recording?
at least 4 years old.. probably more.
2014 - 1:17:42
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Time to forget about strI(ng theory and our asses up on these things guys !!
I always thought that geommetry had to do with the concept of 'information' or similar, like dimensions, faces, vertex and so on. Given some 'information' we could have a curvature, even a deslocalization, and things so. Definition of systems, complexity, and of course disorder, viability of the formation of a patterm characterizing a region of the space.
Could human level consciousness be Quantum Field in nature? It would account for esp, remote viewing, intuition, etc.
Seems that way!
It doesn't need to account for those first two things since they aren't real
Quantum Woo
All Nobel prize winners are similar doctor Rodger penrose completely resembles Richard Feynman he talks like him ,he smiles like him and he move his hands like him .
Great video. Also, what is the opening track?
It sounds like a hangdrum or ovnidrum
Audio is a bit hard to make sense of
Roger Penrose is awesome. I can't help but thinking that the lecture circuit has got to be extremely tedious! I can't stand telling the same stories over and over again.
The lecture that convinced one to think about dark matter as reality.
just a thought,
What if collapse is a spontaneous effect that arises from relativistic effects influencing probability through vectors and reference frames at the planck length.
@Phumgwate Nagala Lol.. ya probably. but it does seem like a natural consequence if the "planck length" truly is is invariant. As the Planck length is derived from universal constants, the Planck length should be Lorentz invariant and
should not be affected by a Lorentz boost. This creates some interesting inconsistency with Special Relativity. I'm extrapolating from this fact and just wondering out loud if there could be a link here that could resolve this inconsistency. Admittedly I haven't thought too deeply into it, but it seems that this should lead to a discrepancy regarding the shape of a probability wave viewed from different reference frames, which may necessitate collapse to resolve this discrepancy. and since it is nearly impossible for anything, even a single atom to exist entirely within a single reference frame (gravity is mostly time dilation), anything sharing causally connected spacetime would face this same issue, so.. ya.. you get the point... But again.. this is just a thought... and probably not a very good one.. haha.
What if turnips and potatoes could intercept a nebulous mass of incoherent blibber from the planet Lexus?
Roger has always attacked the really big problems; the nature of consciousness, the origin of the Big Bang and the evolution of the universe, unifying quantum mechanics and gravitation, the fundamental nature of space and time etc etc. Time will tell whether any of his ideas will stand the test of time. I think it’s fair to say that his ideas about the human brain somehow operating at the quantum level are extremely unlikely to pan out.
I dont know if his explanation is right but if its difficult to disprove a lot of progress will be made in disproving it :)
Nobelprize 2020 brought AGreatThinker to me... ❤️LOVE HIM
I wonder if you could send messages to the next eon by manipulating the B-modes in the current one.
I had a trippy complicated-plot dream with something like that tucked into it; it was entertaining to think about later :D
I wish he would let the interviewer finish his sentences, I would be quite frustrated in that seat not being allowed to say more than 5 words 😂
Where can I buy a clock that goes backwards? Maybe a novelty manufacturer should grab a business opportunity?
Now that you said it i am sure we will see commercials for it soon
1:20:00 CCC Can exist with inflation.
when dark energy splits quark pairs they generate more hadrons. the increasing rate of dark energy increases this particle production, which ends up looking like a new big bang.
💎🌈🛸❄️🌟🤩✨
Endangered Species.
#AwarenessConsciousness
I really like hearing Sir Roger, but he ducks, dodges and darts. Can’t hit a moving target. He advances his theories, yet demands proof of an original Source or God. Experience teaches that scientists and mathematicians and academia wear as a badge of membership to the Club atheistic belief.
in universe main power is conciousness of unconciousness
knowledge captived by conciousness of conciousness is very limited in universe
because universe is dominated and fonctioned by the language of conciousness of unconciousness that conciousness of conciousness is yet doesnt know this language
the solution is to invent the physics of metaphysics
Spoken with...
Jeeny
QUR'ANIC VIEWPOINT OF ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE AND CREATION OF THE MANKIND.
Prophet Mohammad(pbuh)said:
1- Allah existed, Nothing existed except Him.
2-Allah willed to originate the universe.
3- He said: "Kun"(be)and it was,out of nothing.It is out of our capacity to conceive what happened first of all.
" And Our word unto a thing,when We intend it, is only that We say unto it: Be! and it is".
(Qur'an, 16:40)
4- The primal "being" was processed and Allah knows better what was created first of all
and how?! It is not coneiveable.
5- Almighty Allah governs His whole universe according His scheme.
6- This universe ultimately will reach it's final destination (goal).
7- The reason of our creation is to test us.Those who believe in Islam and work righteousness shall have theirs reward, but those who rejected Islam can not escape punishment.
Creation of the first man-- Adam. Allah Created Adam out of dust. He breathed into him of His spirit,made the angels bow
before him. Iblees refused to prostrate,he was rejected and cursed forever.
" So, when I have made him(fashioned him
in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit,do ye fall down,prostrating yourselves unto Him"
(Qur'an,15:29)
Adam was taught all the nanes, and their characteristics. Adam and his mate dwelled in Al-Jannah. Later they were sent
to Earth.
"We said: Get ye down,one of you a foe unto the other!There shall be for you on earth a habitation and provisions for a time.
(Qur'an, 2:36)
From them decended all men and women on earth. The humanity is in essence a single family with every one descended from a single pair of original ancestors.
" O mankind! reverence your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created it's mate and from them twain spread multitude of men and women. "
(Qur'an,4:1)
Idiotic
enlightedness does Not Care as to how one can achieve IT
Given that academia is losing credibility at an ever expanding rate, or more correctly stated, an exponential rate, one would be doing oneself an immense disservice if one did not dismiss it in its entirety and start again. In a growing number of areas where scientific scrutiny has been applied to theories which are only supported by consensus, they are consistently failing. Two notable areas which demonstrate this are "Dark Matter/Energy and black holes and indeed the flawed mathematics and modeling which have supported them. I am an advocate of elitism but such is a principle towards academia as striven but favoring instead a practice of elect[ism]. That is to say, those who are permitted to advance through the academic ranks are those who are able to tow the institutional policy line. This is not, by any stretch of the imagination, science.
Who knows what Penrose has to say on the definition and description of, consciousness, intelligence and mind as universal constants? Or what quantitative and qualitative means to measure the above would he propose or even recommend? Until now, such considerations have eluded the likes of Penrose and his contemporaries and peers.
Any intellectual institutions which concede that some things are intrinsically "unknowable" are institutions which ought never to have enjoyed the prestige they clearly have, in the first place and should have always been avoided like the plague. At the very least, academia should be viewed with the suspicion befitting the enormity of its errors.
Jeeny rivera
Andew Tarjanyi Word salad.
So you failed or you didn't even try to get a qualification of any kind then?
Andew Tarjanyi Fluid theory (Reproduction/Feed/Reasoning) decanted selfmultidimentionalover...
The polydynamics of the movement generates pseudo-autonomy as material property, of the autogenous phenomenon; existing.(...)
Simultaneous as my unidimensional variability...
unidimensional variability = live-beings
Placebo Syndrome
carl jung triggering mechanisms agni/Ignatius language words/worlds double u-lord singularity agent 488 carl also reflects on gayomart for myself gross usury of alan turing considering ganymedes verse gayomart .alice chalice Charlie Dodgson agni/signal/singularity/ symmetry s-elf-ie great text princeton symbols of transformation fire ceremony . angi singularity oh yea ani's wig the so-called-cone the pineal gland the eye of the god's. nice to know can post photo page write on google+1 'tippe top' up down top bottom strange charm. science of western letters a~z
Michael Scrocca Fluid theory (Reproduction/Feed/Reasoning) decanted selfmultidimentionalover...
The polydynamics of the movement generates pseudo-autonomy as material property, of the autogenous phenomenon; existing.(...)
Simultaneous as my unidimensional variability...
unidimensional variability = live-beings
full-=+spectrum spectrality cartesian grids^intellugent containers°_aren't woy OWL !?! r naut juff curse