Batman Forever: The Official Comic Adaptation, Part 1 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
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Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Movie Adaptation Month begins with Batman Forever!
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Originally released April 30th, 2019.
ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION: Batman For Awhile!
Did... did they really cut one of the best bits in the movie? The bit where, after Two-Face demands Batman reveal himself or let hundreds of people die, Bruce immediately stands up and shouts that he's Batman, only to be drowned out by the panicked screaming and clamoring of the understandably freaked out crowd? That was a very powerful moment that spoke volumes about Bruce's character, and they apparently didn't put it in the comic! What the hell?!
Maybe they just didn't know how to put it in right?
I honestly don’t remember that part. I’m gonna have to watch the movie again and see
One bit I really liked in the movie was when Two-Face did the circus scene, Bruce IMMEDIATELY stood up and tried to yell he was Batman to him, only to be drowned out by the screaming crowd.
For some reason, Linkara making Val Kilmore's smooth voice into Christian Bale's smoker-lung is just hilarious.
On an unrelated note. I actually really like the scene at the circus when Bruce gets up and yells that he's Batman. I love this because it shows him willing to sacrifice the position of Batman if it means saving people. It makes him, in my opinion, more heroic than the bat-dick he tends to be written like. There is a similar scene in The Dark Knight where he's prepared to admit he's Batman, but doesn't have to.
Here he stands up and screams that he's Batman, but no one hears him because of the pandemonium.
It could've been worse. Tommy Lee Jones could've been playing One-Face.
At least he later went on to star in a BETTER comic book movie, like Captain America: The First Avenger, thank you very much.
Good thing, too. I couldn’t possibly sanction *that* level of buffoonery.
He hated working with Jim Carey with a passion
He can't sanction that buffoonery
Batman's TRUE arch nemesis... next to Rock & Roll
I cracked the code. Jesse Eisenberg wasn't trying to play Lex Luthor, he was trying to be Jim Carrey's Riddler.
Doug Walker's (and Angry Joe's) review of the movie had Eisenberg slowly morph into Heath Ledger's Joker, so yeah. his portrayal was really odd.
Anti-Mattering not too far off since i heard rumor esienburg was supposed to play riddler, but was changed last second because....... heck if i know, make your own reason
Honestly associated Eisenberg's portrayal with Johnny Depp's version of Willy Wonka.
He was playing Birthright Lex. Ever read Birthright? It's literally that.
No I think even Jim Carrey would think that Lex is going too far
14:17 "...cross-dressing night rat!" Now we know how Barbara in Batman & Robin was able to get the heels and boob socks to make her costume!
I'd say Jim Carry would make a better Creeper than most of the batman villains (the character not an actual creeper mind you)
basically aggressive TV turned manic hero like character
I could actually see that. I mean in my opinion nothing will ever top the riddler from the Arkham games in terms of smug asshole you want to punch but a crazy vigilant who's wacky and has bizzare body movement? That's Jim Carry to a tee!
Grant Moore youtube music
I'd watch that. It'd be like _Bruce Almighty_ with more capes.
I just love everytime Linkara does the "WHAT?! NO! NO! I'M NOT BATMAN!!!... I'm Batman!" thing :D
I believe the comic industry's problems really started in the 80's. The direct market lead to them focusing only on people already reading comics. This lead to more stretched out stories, crossovers, etc. because they no longer had to worry about unsold issues. It also meant consumers had to be specifically looking for comics and wouldn't normally come across them during a typical shopping trip. The customer base kept getting older and smaller as more people dropped out than came on.
Then they started really pushing that existing customer base with price increases well above the inflation rate and more issues to tell less story. One of Linkara's early video reviews, Amazons Attack is a perfect example. A Wonder Woman event where most of her story takes place in her solo title and it all is ultimately just a Countdown tie-in. It was about getting completists to buy more.
The Direct Market kept the industry alive in the 80s.
12:50
What’s funny is that Bruce Wayne actually does have a PhD in Criminal Psychology. I can’t remember if he got the PhD under a false identity or not, but he definitely did put in the time to get the degree.
Course with PhDs, you should get them renewed every few years or so (I don’t know if that’s actually a legal requirement or not, but it should still be done either way) so who’s to say if Batman’s PhD (any of them really, since he also has degrees in Forensic Science, Chemistry, and who knows what else) still holds any water.
Wow, that’s actually a pretty good Jim Carrey impression.
Batman Forever: The comic adaptation that raises too many questions, but not as many as Marville.
Now that's a clever comment
There's no such thing as a comic that rises as many questions as Marville. Hopefully.
14:17 Actually yes! There was the direct to video sequel dealing with cross dressing called Batwoman Rises! Harley Quinn was in it and had access to an atomic bomb somewhere in Gotham and batman had to disguise himself as a college girl to sneak into an all female sorority to find out where. I absolutely love the scene where batman and black canary bonded and had a fashion montage to ask Man-bat out on a date!
For real
A comic review of a movie adaptation with Jim Carrey, while a Sonic movie trailer was released with Jim Carrey....
Coincidence I think YES!!!
I was thinking "OH......the timing. Love it."
I wonder if the IDW comics will adapt the Sonic film, since Archie used to adapt pretty much every Sonic video game as a story arc iirc.
Maybe.... It's Jim Carrey that is the one that TRULY lives... In a Gangsta's Paradise.....
@@Sonichero151 I give you a thumbs up because you have the stones to pull that joke😂
The 4th Wall Kid It just raises too many questions
With the mind control and design i get a mad hatter vibe from this version of the riddler. The riddle gimmick is kinda shoe horned in. I don't know if it was decided to use riddler for name reconition.
Also Madhatter often has _undertones_ that would likely have meshed more with Burton's Batman than Schmaucher's.
@@pious83 you mean how he was turned into an opium addicted pedophile by Alan moor?
@@Smashboi76 I'm horrified yet not surprised that he did that to Jervis. Just...why? Mad Hatter is messed up enough as is
I gotta applaud you for that opening statement about Comics. The whole argument about their current decline has lately turn into an ugly political debate, Ignoring the fact that people have focus more on movies, tv and now digital media since they are more accessible and cheaper, as oppose to overprice short issues. Even growing in the late 90's I didn't know anybody who read comics, the only big deal being Spawn amd most of it because of the Toys and movies than the series itself. And yeah today's kids are reading Manga thanks to the current anime trend and independent comics not being dragged by years of confusing convulated storylines and character changes.
Even if they just lowered the TPB prices in Canada, I’d have bought a lot of them already.
You are not wrong honestly. I still collect comics but it's mostly MLP based by IDW and since they are still having the license, a good excuse for me to get them all.
@shadowspider9 Bleach, Naruto and MHA don't exist.
Batman Forever is one of my favorite guilty pleasure movies
It's the worst movie we've all seen, like, twenty times.
I read comics and I actually own comic books, because of you and my favorite show Regular Show. Seriously Linkara thank you for getting me into reading comic books.
"It just raises too many questions."
- Running gag
You know, as a huge comic book fan... it is kind of depressing to realize that a lot of people don’t read comics. I feel if comics were longer and cheaper, more people would buy them. Comics can be more popular... if they were cheaper and longer to enjoy. But that’s my opinion.
There is a company that proves comics can be sold in newsprint, maybe the big 2 can take notes.
The Magical Robot Prisma Newsprint is cheap, but it’s also low-quality. Ink comes right off on the hands.
bigevilworldwide1 it’s a sales trick that keeps working. If it didn’t work, they wouldn’t do it.
@@shadowspider9 True but a volume (or tankōbon) of manga is about the same price as 2-3 comic book issues, and typically has around 8/9 times the number of pages compared to a standard 20 page comic book. It's much greater value for money.
The Magical Robot Prisma And yet, they likely sell less than the Big Two ever did.
Fun fact: This comic is actually using the original scene order. Dennis O'Neil preferred the original cut of the film to the cut we actually got, so he based the comic more off of that original cut (But was unable to put in some of the really dark elements of the original cut). This is how the original script and cut flowed, which is why the scene restructuring makes more sense here than the weird scene reordering in the other comic adaptations did.
Interesting notes: the director suggested Robin Williams, the producers, and the studio suggested Jim Carrey! I'm not sure based on the reasoning for the studio! I mean, technically at the time Robin was actually cheaper than Jim, now could be because scheduling outlets but they never bother talking with Robin so that highly doubtful! Just a little food for thought.
Have you seen one hour photo with Robin Williams. Williams could be a kind of creepy.
A Weirdo and his turn on an episode of L&O: SVU
seanfulldark
That’d be awesome!
Honestly I think that Robin could have pulled off Nigma. Guy had a lot of range and he could have made hom both funny and scary
@@Mobysimo absolutely granted I think he would have a bunch more fun time playing Harvey it's my personal opinion
"A surprising amount of Ask Tumblrs are still active."
Ah, speaking from personal experience are we?
5:51 Funny enough, my parents still own the Two-Face Batman Forever glass mug from McDonalds
That's actually the only one of those glasses I don't have. XD I still get regular use of those glasses to this day.
@@buchiklop110 We used to have... it was a Robin one or a Riddler one as well. I can't recall because we either lost or broke it some time ago. But yeah, same here. The Two-Face one is still in use.
Those things were suprisingly sturdy, my family had one of those for years before it broke.
My uncle still owns the Riddler glass mug from McDonald’s
I won them all Mwahaah.....plus I have the plastic cups too
Perfect timing, the Sonic movie trailer with Jim Carrey just came out.
And he's just as zany there as he is in this film.
Jay Arby Isn't Jim Carrey Dr Robotnik(or Eggman depending on what name they go with)?
@@dynamicjaethought7788 yes he is
"Oh no... IT'S BOILING ACIIIIID!!!"
Oh no, bad dialogue!
@@thatonea-hole Bad or Oscar-worthy?
@@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780 oscar worthy
My favorite explanation for the Bat credit card remains the one from a fanfic where Sid the Squid from BTAS got out of prison and decided to open a credit union for henchmen. The Blackgate Allied Trades Credit Union.
Perfect timing considering that Sonic movie trailer starring Jim Carrey as Eggman.
Is he really?
@@nawf4372
Yep!
I agree with your statement about comics. Shifting media has robbed us of a truly unique media style... But then again... No more Youngblood!
I think that's a pretty fair trade.
lets be honest here, this is 100% due to the many youngblood, issue n1, ultimatums or DC reboots they keep making just to milk the fans.
It's not dead yet, just in decline. The big trade issues have been keeping the medium alive for a while, though as LInkara noted that means there are less oneshots and everything has to be part of a storyline, but I think what DC is doing, making a streaming service that has both Tv shows and comics, is going to get more people casually reading comics and that will increase demand for more oneshots.
Honestly, half the reason manga is so popular is rampant scanlation making a ton of series available online for free. Then because the licensing companies come down on the site, or because fans want to have better quality versions of those series or they just really like them and want to support the series, fans go and buy the manga in the store.
WEbcomics are similar, but on a more legit scale: people read for free online, the creator gets some ad revenue, and if the fans really like it they'll get the physical copies of the series.
If the Big Two could just be satisfied with just making ad revenue from their individual issues online, they could really expand their base and still make a lot of money from selling collections and merch.
”That's Wako”
”That's not Wako this is Wako!”
*gets hit by a big cartoon Mallet*
I don’t know why I find Linkara’s Batman voice so hilariously incongruous coming out of Val Kilmer, but it’s making me laugh.
Linkara is here to boldly challenge the opinion that "Batman Forever" would have been improved by having Jim Carey's Riddler speak out of his butt.
ASScuse me, sir, I must ASS you a quASStion.
You could say waiting for this episode took... forever?
That was a terrible pun, I’m sorry.
LaNoLaCola you will be PUNisht
Still better than any pun by Mister Freeze.
You commented seconds after the video was uploaded, so you'll get likes regardless of what you actually say.
Why would you make that pun? It just raises too many questions.
;P
+LaNoLaCola
You know what you did.
The comic of this episode was my very first comic book I ever read and what got me into super heroes and comics
SonicStantz indeed
Batman will never be forgotten. He stand the test of time
That intro legit.....hurts but its sooo true... 😅 but for really dont know anyone who read comics
@@duncananderson2113 Dude chill.....Its an Alternate Universe Earth-19999
In Finland, over a million people read Donald Duck every week. In a country with 5.5 million people. No other country reads Disney comics as Finnish people do in Finland.
And yes, it's Donald Duck. He's way more popular than Mickey Mouse over here.
and thats just confirming what he said.
Well naturally Donald is more popular.
He can cast Zettaflare.
@@TheSkully343 ...I didn't understand that reference.
Hey, I just saw "In the Mouth of Madness" recently!
What a prize of a movie.
Half the comments: “This was released the same day as the Sonic movie”
I should see Batman Forever one of these days. It took me forever to know that's where "It just raises too many questions" came from.
Tim Burton wanted either Robin Williams, or Micky Dolenz, to play The Riddler.
Mickey Dolenz? that is a deep cut
2:01, am I the only one hoping Linkara will one day do a review of 'My Hero Academia'? He's done manga before but this time it would be manga heavily influenced by superhero comics.
He already did...
Live show which he constantly forgot post even though it has some of his best work
@@thetruewisegamer Someone posted it online.
@@ZoanBlade90 yea but not himself
An entire month dedicated to Movie Adaptations?
It just raises too many question marks.
To this day, I stll stand by the novel adaption of the movie. It felt like the author really was continuing from Batman Returns, character development is expanded on, and of course alternate and original scenes that flesh the story out further including insight on Edward Nigma's early obsession with Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent's fractured partnership with Batman.
Wait, you DIDN'T use Seal's Kiss From a Rose for the title card?!
1:06- Love "Avengers: Endgame" 3,000, BTW
2:56- "Blade Runner" was adapted to a comic? ...Then when are they gonna do the same with "Blade Runner 2049"?
4:18- And we have the Alien Quadrilogy DVD box set released in 2003 to thank for that.
5:55- I still remember seeing that McDonald's commercial back in the day.
9:45- I think Cory Michael Smith did an awesome job playing the Riddler in the Gotham TV series; far better than Jim Carrey.
11:26- "I'll get drive-thru." was also in the film's trailer. Just FYI.
14:45- In the Arkham games, it's called the Lady of Gotham.
16:21- So, you expected to look like The Leader from the Marvel Universe, minus the green skin?
Man, too bad the comic axed a lot of Nygma's lines...
"IIIIIIIII'm... SUCKIN' UP YOUR IQ! Vacuuming your cortex! Feeding off your brain!"
The Gotham City branch of the Ghostbusters, eh? That’d be a hell of a job!
I love the song Kiss From a Rose by Seal
Best thing to come out of this movie... and it’s an end credits song.
@@dubbingsync Yeah
huh. What a coincidence. We got a trailer today for another movie that looks like Jim Carry will be the best part of the film.
14:17 Yes, there was. Another one of those interesting things that happened was more development of the "triumvirate" formed by Batman, Gordon, and Dent, as well as Dent's scarring by Maroni. It was basically a condensed adaptation of The Long Halloween.
Comic books are storyboard art for movies and games
Basically.
Especially if said comic is adapted into a movie or video game.
Pretty much true for Mark Millar.
can you beat 2 face by constantly subjectim him to 3-way choices?
They actually tried that in Grant Morrison’s comic, “Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth.” They changed the cpin to a die, and then to the 128 card Tarot. The result? ...He couldn’t even go to the bathroom cuz he couldn’t make a decision.
"The box"
ITS A CONE!
Thank you
Wow, that Carrey impression was pretty spot on. Nice work Linkara!
Funny Linkara uploaded this the same day as the Sonic movie trailer, where Jim Carrey reprises his role of the Riddler
Well Jim Carrey is certainly relevant again
Been a while since that was a thing.
I hope you do the comic adaptation of the Sam Raimi Spider-Man film.
Edward Nigma= "The Box"
Last angry geek= "its a cone"
Me= "No you idiots, its a bloody blender! Even linkara agrees!"
I care about comic books enough to watch this show XD
Your jim carrey is good surprisingly subtle
I genuinely like Batman Forever unironically, it’s not a good movie, but I just love it. I think most people lump it in with Batman and Robin. As a fan of the sixties era, I can appreciate the more wild nature of these characters as this is essentially what you’d get in a 90s version of Batman ‘66.
I agree with you about movies and TV shows being more popular than comics, but I think people should look up the comics to see how they were created and what the movies and shows were based on
While true I think the other factors that linkara brought up are good factors as to why people are turned off by the medium. A few years ago, wanting to support the industry, I did start buying individual issues of comics but stopped after about a year because it was getting too expensive. I mainly stick to trades now but even then I've been doing it less and less since they take so long to be released and I lose interest.
To get my comic fill I just got a shonen jump subscription since for what I would pay in monthly comics I get a year of access to manga with new releases weekly.
Yeah, but they won't. I think the issue-to-issue format is the main problem. If the series were released in trades to begin with, they'd be a lot easier to follow. People are busier than they used to be. They don't have time to track down all the issues. That's why novels are more popular. That and the persistent belief that graphic novels are strictly for children.
@bigevilworldwide1 Yes, because most developed countries abolishing the death penalty and calling for gun control has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's all the cartoons' fault that mainstream fictional heroes can't fill your darkest fantasies anymore.
I look at these films like the Bond films. The films are mostly self-contained and even switch out actors and crews, however they do retain certain actors and plot details, as well as being in the same continuity.
You know? I think this is the first time that The Riddler has been on this show. Neat. and it's this version of the Riddler.
21:33-“ the bat signal is not a booty call “ needs to be on a shirt
Can you imagine the Burton version? Keaton as Batman, Billy Dee Wiiliams as Two Face, and Robin Williams as Riddler. The Marque: Keaton-Williams-Williams
19:54 In short: 'this is why Superman works alone.'
Aww! They didn't include the "Oh no! Its BOILING AAAAAACID!!!" line.
If it's a statue representing justice shouldn't it be holding a scale instead of a torch?
Really good intro about the comic industry
I'm a simple girl, I see an In the Mouth of Madness reference, I click Like.
I now want to see Linkara review MHA, QUICK TO PATREON!
@14:25-14:57
To be fair. It was a gift from the Joker after he stole it from Carmen Sandiego.
The graphic novel resembles Schumacher's uncut " Red Book Edition " since it contains adult themes which were cut from the official version.
With that bit any comics becoming less relevant, it reminded me of an argument I made as to why manga was outselling American comics (as someone who is more of an anime fan, but has an appreciation for comics)
If you want to start reading Iron Man, the question of where to start is a bit tricky. You can start with stuff from his debut, but it can be unrepresentative of the character nowadays. You can pick up a modern issue, but there's a lot of continuity across multiple series that makes it a bit harder to get into. You can look up good, self contained runs (which is arguably the best way to do it) but that does require more external research, which is another step between you and actually reading the comic.
If you want to start reading Naruto, you pick up volume 1, which is still in print, and continue reading volumes.
Now honestly, I think the fact that there is this giant interconnected universe of characters is really cool and a unique part of superhero comics. But it does sacrifice accessibility doing that, and while that absolutely can be something that is worth it to get into, from what I've seen through Linkara, it feels like comics have reached the point where they've sacrificed too much of that accessibility to convince a new reader to get in.
The market for comics is continuing to shrink due to constant crossovers, controversies (looking at you secret empire), failure to expand outside of comic stores, rising prices, and it seems like there's so many books n spinoffs that seems to be flooding the shelves. When books cost $5 and you don't know what's good nor have something consistent that you dont have to buy 5 more books, no duh the industry is shrinking.
The Magical Robot Prisma When both DC and Marvel, makes billions upon billions on movies, tv, shows, cartoons, and digital books...they are fine. What gets hurt are the brick and mortar comic book stores, it's harder for the sellers if not many people are buying comics.
Honestly? I'm not actually a comic reader myself, though I'd like to be, and this is one of the reasons why. I hear a lot about different storylines with the superhero comics second-hand through sources like Linkara, and they sound like something I want to check out, but I also know myself. I know that I couldn't just follow a single series/book/run, but I would also want to check out the crossovers and the other, previous series with the same characters just to "get the whole story."
Problem is, most of these stories go back for over 50 years, and some, such as Captain America, nearly a century, and a LOT of them are out of print, and all of that is without bringing up the incredibly tangled timeline of when each book/story arc takes place. Yes, there are digital comics services and scans, but they can seriously add up money and time-wise, as I'm a working adult on a rather-to-extremely limited budget.
All in all, because I didn't get into comics when I was a kid or teenager, I ended up kind of "locked out" of comics as an adult when I started finding the stories interesting. Which is a shame, because they seem incredibly fun, and, having gotten into stuff like the MCU, Supernatural, and a few anime series, I know that I have little to no problem with random weirdness, so long as it's entertaining weirdness.
@@dynamicjaethought7788 question is, are the digital comics selling? Nobody's posting digital sales and that does not bode well
@@AnInsideJoke think alot of people are on the same boat. And it's the failure of the comic industry for not adapting.
@@AnInsideJoke _Problem is, most of these stories go back for over 50 years, and some, such as Captain America, nearly a century, and a LOT of them are out of print, and all of that is without bringing up the incredibly tangled timeline of when each book/story arc takes place._
That is a popular misconception.
The truth is *no one* expects you to read all of it. Every single popular series, since their inception, has been redesigned, relaunched and retconned so much, to go back to 40's Captain America you would gain nothing in comparing it to a modern iteration, aside from superficial similarities.
Timelines too, are restarted every decade to make them relevant to the era they are in. For example, Iron Man's Vietnam origins have been modernised to latter conflicts as the decades have gone by. Generally speaking, a single timeline lasts 5 -10 years maximum.
There is *NO* storyline for any major character from Marvel or DC, that has continued uninterrupted since their inception. Batman of the 40's has only a passing resemblance to the Batman of today etc etc
14:35: Ah, the statue of Gothamy. It was a gift from French Metropolis.
I was waiting for this one. Thanks Linkara!
And now... The real book begins.
Actually saw Ace Ventura a few weeks ago. My thoughts:
NOBODY! MESSES! *WITH THE DO!*
Btw Lewis have you watched the Ace Ventura movies before? If so, did you like them?
He used a quote from the second one in his review of Marville #1.
As far as people not caring about comic books the sad truth is you're right about that one hundred percent especially since well both marvel and sometimes DC try to make there comics kinda like the movies which in my opinion is a really bad idea because the comics should be separate from the movies themselves not the other way around, but unfortunately marvel doesn't understand that these days and just wants to have there comics be like the movies themselves which is not only weird but really stupid in my book.
Tevya Smolka Selina Kyle (New-Earth) vs Time Burton Selina Kyle!!! Who would win???????
@@huangwen-si7498 no contest new earth Selena Kyle catwoman
Now then with all that said I think what would help mainstream super hero comics specifically with marvel and dc is to say I don’t know like let characters grow up and evolve and open the door for legacy characters again instead of holding them back like for example let Wally west my flash be the main flash again have him get his wife and kids back Irey and jai alive and kicking and Barry Allen can retire like he was supposed to be, before they brought him back for some bizarre reason, especially with recent rumors which I am hoping isn’t true but unfortunately if those rumors about bendis trying to destroy the Superman family by getting rid of both Jon Kent superboy and Damian Wayne robin for some bizarre reason which I am hoping isn’t the case because that would really break my heart into a million pieces if that happens. Now as for marvel yeah that’s another can of worms in itself that really needs to address especially with some of there characters like Spider-Man aka peter Parker who was growing up and being adult and was married to his wife Mary Jane and they were going to have there daughter Spider-Girl mayday Parker alive and kicking which I would’ve loved to see that but nope instead we got the awful one more day regressing Peters character back to zero which is just awful and bad storytelling in my book.
@@dereknight861 yup that too
Do you think maybe the only reason jim carrey was hired was because ace ventura hates bats
Something about the One Face gag being used at that acid vault kinda makes me want to swap that, see Three or more Face. Yeah, it’s just as stupid as One Face, but that’s kinda what I’m going for, a dumb idea that might be fun to run with and see what happens.
Is that Bruce Hippodrome, owner of the Gotham Hippodrome?
I was actually on my way to Halifax when this uploaded.
One of those fun times my life had.
The Statue of Liberty thing is always funny to me. In the Young Justice universe regular New York exists. And Gotham is in Connecticut instead. Mixing together the real cities of Bridgeport and New Haven. As it falls somewhere between the two.
Think the batmobile in this film was odd. Check out HR Giger's concept art for it
Really? I thought the Robin in this movie was college-aged like in the animated series.
Have watched the review before, but the thing about the time in which Two-Face commits his crime reminded me of the clearly superior, clearly Objectively Better™ live action adaptation of Batman… HOLY MUSICAL B@MAN!
The lines from the musical to keep in mind at the moment are:
Superman: Two-Face is the worst. His theme is just the number two. What’s he going to do, rob the second national bank of all its two dollar bills? God forbid Gotham runs out of all its two
dollar bills.
Poison Ivy: What’re you gonna do, rob the second largest National Bank of all its two dollar bills?
Two-Face: Yeah! On February 2nd!
Few things.
First off, I hate to be the guy that proves your opening thesis right, as I watch super hero cartoons and movies, but buy comics of cartoons and movies.
Secondly, glad to know I'm not the only one that thinks Jim's Riddler is supposed to be a...eh... "tribute" to Frank Gorshin's portrayal gone wrong.
And lastly, love the title card of this one being the cartoon version of Ace Venture dressed as The Riddler doing the talking butt thing. And now, naturally I have to imagine Dr. Robotnik doing that. Thanks Sonic movie trailer.
Linkara ; Quadrilogy sounds better than Tetrology
Me; *KALINKA INTENSIFIES*
I feel like the downfall of comics compared to Manga can be attributed to one main thing: Authorship.
If you want to read a Batman comic, then how many people are going to know every creator working on any line of books? And then, because each run is a different group, how do you really know which is a good run and which is pure nonsense? This also makes it hard to really know where to start because with new creators come and then they want to make their own thing instead of just making a continuing narrative. And then from there, there's reboots and other complications outside of authorship, and it's all just a big mess. So if you want to pick up, say, Batman Giganto #1 or whatever, then how would anyone know how good the story is or what they need to know going in from the title alone?
Meanwhile, with manga, say someone wants to get into One Piece. Is it good? Well, people say One Piece is good and it's popular, so that bodes pretty well. Where do you start? The story begins at Chapter 1 and then, from there, it's a straight line to chapter 900+. Will it ever completely fall apart? Maybe, but it'll always be the same creator, so you're going to be following the same person's vision no matter what, which means the continuity's also always going to be strong and self-contained with this single run of the series.
Now, of course, the manga way of doing things isn't perfect, either, since it means a lot of stuff with potential ends up just dying and you still need to dig through things to find new, interesting, things to get into. But I think one of the big things is that if a series manages to make it big, it's usually from their own merits and probably speaks to the quality of the brand name to some extent. So if there's someone whose a crap writer, they get weeded out, ideally. Where with western comics, someone who has no idea what they're doing could manage to get onto writing pretty much anything if he manages to get lucky enough, so whenever you look up any series from any character, it's always going to be random chance if the creator's competent or not.
I dunno, does this sound about right to people? Or am I a bit off here?
oh for the love of... looks like the toy channels have moved in on the recommendations
I saw the robocop comic that came with 3d glasses way before the movie and I loved that comic.
There is one medium the movie franchises will never beat and you have them above your comics.
Why does old E.Nigma look like new Lex Luthor?
2:20 Then, there's the recent launch of DC Universe. This is a service for not only shows, but comics as well.
2:35 Suddenly, you turn to comic review/recap channels on RUclips to help you stay updated.
9:50 Everybody knows someone like this, be it in their family or fandom of their choice...
14:25 Well, it IS Joel Schumacher...
15:12 "3D fish?! You unethical bastard!" =D
15:32 And now, one of my favorite lines from the Rifftracks: "3D fish?! You unethical bastard!"
18:10 So...the writer of Heroes in Crisis, then.
18:20 "I prefer the term Tom Cruise."