Muy buena la comparación. Yo soy músico y audiofilo no DJ. Tengo una Shure M 95 HE y unas cajas AR 94 R y evidentemente la definición de los graves es muy presente. Equalizando agudos y graves logro un buen equilibrio para un sonido intenso y realista. Saludos desde Argentina 👍🎼🥁
Cool to find your channel. I like trance too. Subbed. I've got the same Ortonfon mostly to play old vinyls. For turntablism VNL seems to be well liked.
@@DJFeelsGoodmanI've a feeling the Mix will sound clearer, and VNL louder. But for coded vinyl like Serato/Rekordbox/Scratch etc... prob the louder the better.
A good, fair review. I have never owned Shure needles so can't offer any real input in terms of comparison with the Ortofons, which I do own (Mk1). I'm a little disappointed, though, that the sound test didn't include the first 20 seconds or so of the track because according to the waveforms there is a very pronounced difference between the two carts/needles. Can you explain what is going on there? Is it a boomy kind of distortion on the bassline of the track that is accentuated more by Shures relative to the Ortofons?
Hi Dave, thanks for the post. That difference you're seeing in the waveform (first 20 seconds) was just me adjusting the input volume of the track. That's why I didn't play that part.
Will changing M447 with M44G stylus helps in comparing with the Concorde MIX? But in general I think elliptical needles do have an better impact retaining the original sound compared to spherical. The bad about elliptical is that it causes faster wear and tear. Correct me if I am wrong.
Is that needle you're using on the M44-7 a Jico Club? Impressive how people talk about it, but seeing this comparison with an Ortofon MK2 Mix, I see Jico light years ago. It doesn't sound good at high frequencies, at least that's what I could see. I was disappointed in Jico's quality. I'm still using the original N44-7 that I have, both in the capsules and spares, in storage.
Yeh, this is using a Jico Club. That's what I had thought too. I have original N44-7 as well, but they're a bit worn out, so I too am keeping them as spares. I think Jico is supposed to be coming out with their own cartridge so that might be fun to try. Hopefully it sounds good.
@Sherwin Alka As far as dj turntables. If you want the best sound as far as playing real vinyl you will need to get S Shaped tonearm turntables. S Shaped will also be easier on your records when mixing. Straight tone arms tear up records fast.
hi, man....did the same test ...years ago, but with old eliptical stylus.... the elipticals will sound way better in definition and maybe in stereo separation than the m44, but elipticals tend to do a little more vinyl wear. The ortofon club sounds with a little more definition than the shures, but in the club...it depends on the sound system, not many can reproduce with so much definition as any monitor speaker. VTA and overhang angle with the m44 will not impact so much the audio, because the needles are very forgiving. BUT the corcorde not, fixed and the dependance with the tonearm its obvious... well...nice done man!!! Both of them will give you good results. i prefer more round sound, more bassy, so n44g and n447 for me. Even the shure encores sound nice on da club.... you need a pink or white noise vinyl :) and do the measures with measure mike. greetings from germany!!!
Yo, thanks for the info! I may have to give that test a try! How do you like the sound with the n44g compared to the n447? And are you using them on an m447 cartridge?
@@DJFeelsGoodman Hola... The cartridges are the same, the only difference is the needle ...yes, the g is clearly sending more bass and it feels a little more warmer (it is not so forgiven as the 7s regarding tracking, vta and weight). Now im living in Germany and i bought a couple of tonar (the standard ones)..they sound great and they cost like 30. There are Tonar DJ improved and they look nicer but the weight is increased by 2 grams..to much for me :) ... i think the Tonars are a little stiffer also. (www.pickupnaalden.com ...search for n44 and you are done :D )
Very interesting. I noticed on one of the entries of the website, it says "Tonar (Jico)replacement needle." I'm using Jico needles to replace my worn/broken Shure ones. Roughly, they're about the same price purchased from a store in the USA. I'm guessing Tonar and Jico are the same company.
I am a Die Hard Shure Man but when I bought Ortofons I immediately noticed the sound difference. Sound has more clarity with Ortofon. Biggest mistake most people make is not setting Antiskate to zero for Ortofons. Not Setting AntiSkate will definitely shred your vinyl into little pieces.
@@AlainCarAudioManiac if your setting your anti-sk8 for just listen to music follow what you mentioned earlier set anti-sk8 identical/around the same as your needles tracking force.when doing DJ technics like scratching and back cueing like they're mentioning you want to set your anti-sk8 very low or even at 0 depending on the DJ Cartridge that is being used, other wise you will be really putting heavy wear on your vinyl possibly permanently damaging the grooves over time making your vinyl records sound like crap they call this damage groove burn.
I think Shure has ceased production of all their cartridges, so they're basically EOL. But there are substitute styli made by brands like Jico for most Shure carts.
Yup, I've been using Jico styli on my shure m44-7 carts for quite some time now. If you look at Ortofon, it looks like they're putting out a replacement setup to fill the gap left by the discontinued M44-7. Believe it's called Ortofon Vinyl or VNL or something like that.
@DJ Feels Goodman, i'm not liking that new Ortofon VNL cart it doesn't replicate a M44-7 properly as somebody mentioned earlier the specs are different it tracks heavier with a tracking force range of 3-5 g and a recommended tracking force of 4 g also has a lower output voltage of 6 mV and looks goofy compared to a genuine M44-7 cart it doesn't pay proper homage/respect to the legendary legacy the Shure M44-7 has.good news tho Jico has announced that they're replicating the legendary Shure M44-7 properly all the way down to the manufacturing tech specs.the Jico J44A-7 cart is due to be launched sometime in 2021 according to their official press release. links to release info: www.hifishark.com/article/jico-remaking-shure-m44-phono-cartridge www.jico-stylus.com/jico-press-release/
@@DJFeelsGoodman I had a theory about cartridge placement on the headshell. Yours are twisted to change the angle that the needle sits in the groove, like str8 tone arms. On my technics I used to push the cart all the way back on the headshell and then rotate it. This then attempts to reduce 'overhang' that s-shape arms suffer from. I eventually got custom made straight arms for them :)
Clubs feel like trash, Even for mixing, Even after a break in. Their only good for audiophile guys imo. If you have the money for them and you actually Dj, Buy the Djs, Or the mixes, The mixes track 10x better.
Hmm that's a pretty interesting idea. Maybe I'll give it a try in the next comparison video. Kinda curious to see how the M44-7 stacks up against the Ortofon VNL.
Doesn’t the contacts in the head shell have some thing to do with this as well?
Thanks for sharing this test 👍
Welcome!
Muy buena la comparación. Yo soy músico y audiofilo no DJ. Tengo una Shure M 95 HE y unas cajas AR 94 R y evidentemente la definición de los graves es muy presente. Equalizando agudos y graves logro un buen equilibrio para un sonido intenso y realista. Saludos desde Argentina 👍🎼🥁
Thank you
Cool to find your channel. I like trance too. Subbed.
I've got the same Ortonfon mostly to play old vinyls.
For turntablism VNL seems to be well liked.
Welcome to the channel! Ya vnl is picking up some popularity, might have to do a comparison soon with those
@@DJFeelsGoodmanI've a feeling the Mix will sound clearer, and VNL louder. But for coded vinyl like Serato/Rekordbox/Scratch etc... prob the louder the better.
After trying the VNL in my recent video, I have to say I 100% feel the same way as you do about the situation between those 3 cartridges.
@@DJFeelsGoodman la 3600 audio technica la meilleur et 20 euro le top^ aucune difference
A good, fair review. I have never owned Shure needles so can't offer any real input in terms of comparison with the Ortofons, which I do own (Mk1). I'm a little disappointed, though, that the sound test didn't include the first 20 seconds or so of the track because according to the waveforms there is a very pronounced difference between the two carts/needles. Can you explain what is going on there? Is it a boomy kind of distortion on the bassline of the track that is accentuated more by Shures relative to the Ortofons?
Hi Dave, thanks for the post. That difference you're seeing in the waveform (first 20 seconds) was just me adjusting the input volume of the track. That's why I didn't play that part.
bro why i love the sound of the mix so much?
Will changing M447 with M44G stylus helps in comparing with the Concorde MIX? But in general I think elliptical needles do have an better impact retaining the original sound compared to spherical. The bad about elliptical is that it causes faster wear and tear. Correct me if I am wrong.
M447 vs. M44G I'm not too sure. But I believe you're correct about the bit about elliptical styli
Thats a common misconception. The truth of it os, they wear differently. Elicpical wear more overall, sphreical wear mainly the mids and lows.
@@nunsc sounds very logical !!! 😊
Do you know if we can put the stylus from the concorde mk2 scratch on the original scratch cart? the OM Scratch White one
Looks really similar, i want to say yes, but not 100% sure
Is that needle you're using on the M44-7 a Jico Club? Impressive how people talk about it, but seeing this comparison with an Ortofon MK2 Mix, I see Jico light years ago. It doesn't sound good at high frequencies, at least that's what I could see. I was disappointed in Jico's quality. I'm still using the original N44-7 that I have, both in the capsules and spares, in storage.
Yeh, this is using a Jico Club. That's what I had thought too. I have original N44-7 as well, but they're a bit worn out, so I too am keeping them as spares. I think Jico is supposed to be coming out with their own cartridge so that might be fun to try. Hopefully it sounds good.
Ottimo suono della shure m44-7 con bassi potenti
The Shure will sound better if you dont set it up like a straight tone arm. The way you have it tracking will make it sound worse than it really does.
@Sherwin Alka As far as dj turntables. If you want the best sound as far as playing real vinyl you will need to get S Shaped tonearm turntables. S Shaped will also be easier on your records when mixing. Straight tone arms tear up records fast.
Completely agree, I've no idea why he thought that was a good idea tbh 😂
Audacity. That was always a gamble.
hi, man....did the same test ...years ago, but with old eliptical stylus.... the elipticals will sound way better in definition and maybe in stereo separation than the m44, but elipticals tend to do a little more vinyl wear. The ortofon club sounds with a little more definition than the shures, but in the club...it depends on the sound system, not many can reproduce with so much definition as any monitor speaker. VTA and overhang angle with the m44 will not impact so much the audio, because the needles are very forgiving. BUT the corcorde not, fixed and the dependance with the tonearm its obvious... well...nice done man!!! Both of them will give you good results. i prefer more round sound, more bassy, so n44g and n447 for me. Even the shure encores sound nice on da club.... you need a pink or white noise vinyl :) and do the measures with measure mike. greetings from germany!!!
Yo, thanks for the info! I may have to give that test a try! How do you like the sound with the n44g compared to the n447? And are you using them on an m447 cartridge?
@@DJFeelsGoodman Hola... The cartridges are the same, the only difference is the needle ...yes, the g is clearly sending more bass and it feels a little more warmer (it is not so forgiven as the 7s regarding tracking, vta and weight). Now im living in Germany and i bought a couple of tonar (the standard ones)..they sound great and they cost like 30. There are Tonar DJ improved and they look nicer but the weight is increased by 2 grams..to much for me :) ... i think the Tonars are a little stiffer also. (www.pickupnaalden.com ...search for n44 and you are done :D )
Very interesting. I noticed on one of the entries of the website, it says "Tonar (Jico)replacement needle." I'm using Jico needles to replace my worn/broken Shure ones. Roughly, they're about the same price purchased from a store in the USA. I'm guessing Tonar and Jico are the same company.
@@DJFeelsGoodman I forgot to tell you...YES, they are the same :D
lolll well alrighty then :p
Great review! Would be really cool if you compared the spectrums as well!
I am a Die Hard Shure Man but when I bought Ortofons I immediately noticed the sound difference. Sound has more clarity with Ortofon. Biggest mistake most people make is not setting Antiskate to zero for Ortofons. Not Setting AntiSkate will definitely shred your vinyl into little pieces.
Yo just noticed about the antiskate too. I usually had them at 1 with the M44-7's but setting to 0 with the Ortofons really helped with skipping.
I don't understand shouldn't you want to put the antiskate to the same weight of the needle? I do so with my AT-95.
@@AlainCarAudioManiac For scratching, the rules are slightly different
@@DJFeelsGoodman what if you don't scratch?
@@AlainCarAudioManiac if your setting your anti-sk8 for just listen to music follow what you mentioned earlier set anti-sk8 identical/around the same as your needles tracking force.when doing DJ technics like scratching and back cueing like they're mentioning you want to set your anti-sk8 very low or even at 0 depending on the DJ Cartridge that is being used, other wise you will be really putting heavy wear on your vinyl possibly permanently damaging the grooves over time making your vinyl records sound like crap they call this damage groove burn.
I think Shure has ceased production of all their cartridges, so they're basically EOL.
But there are substitute styli made by brands like Jico for most Shure carts.
Yup, I've been using Jico styli on my shure m44-7 carts for quite some time now. If you look at Ortofon, it looks like they're putting out a replacement setup to fill the gap left by the discontinued M44-7. Believe it's called Ortofon Vinyl or VNL or something like that.
@DJ Feels Goodman, i'm not liking that new Ortofon VNL cart it doesn't replicate a M44-7 properly as somebody mentioned earlier the specs are different it tracks heavier with a tracking force range of 3-5 g
and a recommended tracking force of 4 g also has a lower output voltage of 6 mV and looks goofy compared to a genuine M44-7 cart it doesn't pay proper homage/respect to the legendary legacy the Shure M44-7 has.good news tho Jico has announced that they're replicating the legendary Shure M44-7 properly all the way down to the manufacturing tech specs.the Jico J44A-7 cart is due to be launched sometime in 2021 according to their official press release.
links to release info:
www.hifishark.com/article/jico-remaking-shure-m44-phono-cartridge
www.jico-stylus.com/jico-press-release/
Just to join you on the nerd fest... I wonder if the twisted cartridge of the sure impacts the sound at all?
Kinda wonder that myself...
@@DJFeelsGoodman I had a theory about cartridge placement on the headshell. Yours are twisted to change the angle that the needle sits in the groove, like str8 tone arms. On my technics I used to push the cart all the way back on the headshell and then rotate it. This then attempts to reduce 'overhang' that s-shape arms suffer from. I eventually got custom made straight arms for them :)
IMO the best sound quality dj cartridge is the Ortofon Club MKII.
But only for mixing not scratching,due to the elliptical stylus.
Berr nice. If only it could be used to scratch without tearing up the records haha
Clubs feel like trash, Even for mixing, Even after a break in. Their only good for audiophile guys imo. If you have the money for them and you actually Dj, Buy the Djs, Or the mixes, The mixes track 10x better.
The ortofons sound clearer on my headphones. Shure seems a tadd muddied
wow the high hats sound sooooo much clearer on the m44-7, imo anyway!
Still bought the concorde mix though. not shabby at all!
All good man! Lol that user name hahaha
Ortofon to bright to my ears
A song with vocals and guitar would've been much better for testing
Hmm that's a pretty interesting idea. Maybe I'll give it a try in the next comparison video. Kinda curious to see how the M44-7 stacks up against the Ortofon VNL.
Shure sounds much better on that well played record
The Shure sound more bass