I have a 2020 5.0 F150. I also have the first truck I ever bought: A 1987 F250 diesel. The 1987 has half a million miles on it. The F150 has 21,000 miles on it. The F150 burns more oil than the 1987. a lot more. I just put 4 quarts in it tonight. That's what caused me to find this video. It's going on a road trip tomorrow and the motor would have been cooked if I didn't check it tonight. It was a gallon low. No noise; no warning lights; no nothing. I am not amused. Thank you for your video. But I suggest that everybody should check their damn oil!
@danwilliams8771 Yeah got a 2015 5.0 too, but a mustang gt. I just wasn't a fan of the 18+ motor, transmission or Mustang front fascia redo, didn't like having an extra set of injectors with the Port Fuel Inject & the new Direct Inject fuel injectors, the 10 speed transmission and it's gear hunting ways...too many damn gears for an Auto to hunt through, and I was going for the Guard Metallic dark green grey also that was only available in 15 & 16, so I went with 15-16 5.0. For the changes that were put in place going from gen 2 to gen 3, I'd expect the HP and Torque gains to be considerably better and at least a little bump in mpg gains, but the mpg gains stayed the same if not a little worse and the HP gains aren't the greatest, keeping in mind that the Gen 3 throttle body is slightly larger also so really where did alot of it's power difference come from? Maybe I just need to see both gen 2 and gen 3 numbers with exact same mods side by side to notice the difference, maybe I'm missing something. I just don't see what's so much better about the 3rd gen over the 2nd gen coyote, 3rd gen fans make it seem like it's the reinvention of the wheel. They had to de-tune the 22+ models because of emissions, so really customers weren't getting 460hp, customers were getting 450hp the last couple years of it. I jus't don't feel the 3rd gen Coyote is all it's cracked up to be, I'd say just skip the 3rd gen Coyote and the 18-23 Mustang with that ugly front fascia (if for the mustang, my opinion...they ended up ditching that re-design anyways and going back with a 15-17 type style design for the S650, many were against the 18+ mustang looks in the beginning....then later went with it knowing they had no choice if wanting a new one), and go with the 2nd Iteration of combo Fuel Injection (Direct Inject and Port Fuel) in a Coyote and get the 24+ 5.0 Mustang or Truck. I added Oil Catch Cans to my 2nd gen 5.0 and naturally I have to check the oil anyways from time to time and empty those out. My other cars that i've previously driven were older and used, and I drove them well over 200k+ and almost 300k miles, and switched them to Mobil Full Synthetic with a little Lucas Oil Heavy Duty Stabilizer added after 100K so I'm used to checking the oil. Honestly I don't see how folks go without checking their oil every now and then!! Especially with the cost of vehicles now, my goodness. Though I know technology has come a long way. Good channel also, you all take care, ty.
That's how my 2013 was except I traded it in at 80k miles, have had an 18 for the past 5 years now, better mileage but this oil burning issue started around 50k and the 10 speed is just ass. Has more power, though. Not sure I'm going to keep it much longer.
this guy comes to my work with a 19 platinum with the 5.0 and it’s got 90k on it now but since almost new (probably around 15k it started) he would come in with a check engine light and it was a low oil code every time. the most recent time he came in still had 1k left on his oil change and i had to add 6 quarts of oil just to get it on the dip stick again. and he’s not the only one that comes in with a 5.0 with consumption issues i just think people believe they need motors so they don’t speak up because this gentleman drives for a living and needs his truck and doesn’t have time to wait for a motor swap. but thank you for this info i will let the guy know this and hopefully he’ll go back to the dealer and get the reprogramming done. thank you!
You are absolutely correct! Every ford V8 I have owned burns oil! I have this 2018 5.0 and it runs fine. The only concern with this model range was the 10 speed transmission issues. But I had a master mechanic fix that by disabling the adaptive learning tables. Not resetting but completely turning it off. Now it runs like as smooth as butter!
I agree with you. I have a 2019 5.0 f150 and I had the pcm reprogrammed. I think it helped but I wanted the auto learn system shut off as well and the dealer wouldn't do it. I think what is happening is when you are going down hill and the transmission down shifts is where the vacuum occurs especially when cruise control is on. I turn off cc when going down long steep grades and I think it has helped. I need to find a master mechanic to turn off the learning like you did.
Every? You never had 4.6l then cause mine never burn oil literally at fill mark start and end 5-7k miles oil used was Mobil 1 full synthetic then Amsoil then Motorcraft engine had 175k ish miles on it and everything was gold colored when peeking thur pour cap.
I understand his mindset but I'm 58 and I do check my oil. I have a gen2 2017 GT and I barely let my mileage go past 2500mi and I use full synthetic. My 2011 Mazdaspeed 3 doesn't burn oil but I still check . To hear a millennial say DO NOT CHECK YOUR OIL is crazy.
That's kind of the way I do my '93 Toyota truck with 312K. miles on it. I check it after I change the oil to make sure it's full. Then again after the next change at 6K. miles. It is starting to have a consumption problem of almost a pint in 6K. miles. I might check on getting it reprogrammed.
Here’s what I think you missed. The reason most of us are concerned is because these trucks cost so much to buy just to have an engine that uses oil from day one. There’s only so much warranty that we can get to help in the event the engine takes a dump. I have the 18 5.0 and I put a catch can on mine because the amount of oil I was losing was actually causing issues with how my truck ran. I ran top engine cleaner through it due to the fresh oil that was all in the throttle body. Seemed to have helped quite a bit but time will tell. I personally think Ford says this is a normal characteristic of the engine because they know they have a bad design. Also, do you have a fix for the timing chain rattle/slap on deceleration? Ford says that’s normal too. Never had a vehicle in my life that the timing chain rattled or slapped.
@@jasonbrewer8065 yes sir. I had that TSB performed twice and didn’t change anything on my truck. I’m hoping this catch can will help keep the top end as clean as possible. Thanks for the info.
I started running E85 in my 18 5.0L a few months ago. The timing chain rattle on deceleration is almost nonexistent now. I get worse fuel mileage (400 miles per tank instead of 450 on 87 octane). Currently using about a quart of oil every 1,000 miles. I started checking mine more after I did an oil change and what was left over was under 6 quarts. Barely filled up the 5 quart jug to the very top. Also started smelling coolant on cold startup. Have to wait until next week to check that out.
@@moej6014 I've noticed improvement with E85 as well. It runs smooooth. Luckily it's about 30% cheaper than regular 87 where I'm at, so I actually save like $50 a month running E85 instead of 87, even with the loss in MPG.
@jasonbrewer8065 I agree with you. We spend too much money for these trucks to give us any cause of concern for any issues, much less have any. The PCV greatly helped my oil consumption though the level does still creep down some between changes As for the timing chain rattle on decel. What I found with mine was it is the VCT solenoid shuttering. Of course I was told this was normal but that's another story. Here is a link to the video I found while researching. I conducted the same brake torque test with my brother and we were able to pinpoint the two that shutter. Maybe it is the same noise your makes Maybe not but figured I would pass it along. Best of luck ruclips.net/video/TuQhZRqRIt8/видео.htmlsi=L8-oMCvIjOwv_f4x
I understand what your saying about checking the oil excessively, however I am an old school mechanic and that habit which I believe is a good one is ingrained in me. With that said I was noticing that my oil level was dropping ....not alot but enough that it bugged me. I installed a aftermarket oil separator which solved that issue coming from my pcv line. I don't like the oil going into my throttle body. Which in turn is not going to be good for your valves etc. Granted I didn't have that much oil to begin with being consumed but in my opinion there shouldn't be any going back into the throttle body. Anyway that's my thought on the subject. Thank you for your videos I do enjoy watching them. Never to old to learn.
Hey I’m 63 mechanic for life. Always checked oil levels in my trucks and small engine equipment. I learned this early on . I had vehicles that never used any oil and all were pre 1980. My first new car was 84 Mustang GT with 5.0 5 speed . I went through quart of oil every 1000 miles or less. I traded it in year after.
Dang thats a shame. My 2018 5.0 does burn a lot of oil but no issues. I run it to 6k miles before changing or topping off. Truck is now at 62k miles and due for another oil change
Our fleet of F150's with 5.0's blew 4 engines in a fairly short period of time. The fleet investigations said it wasn't driver error, i.e. not changing the oil in the correct mileage(7500mi). Ford said it was from the start/stop feature. We now check our oil every week and the fleet is changing to Dodge(oh boy). There's something going on. I like my Ford and always have. I wish the problem could be figured out.
Hello from Nova Scotia Canada!! My 19' with 3.5 Ecoboost I do check weekly as I regularly tow up to 6000lbs wth that truck.91 fuel,and Mobil 1 5w30 full synthetic changed every 8000kms or 5000 miles never changes on the dipstick,ever
I didnt expect you to say the problem is proactive mechanically inclined truck owners.... I've caught multiple issues dealers either ignored or didn't check while under warranty to the benefit of thousands in covered repairs for me and my family. The idea that we should simply trust that an engine or mechanical system is probably fine ignores the very real mechanical issues commonly found accross vehicled of previous generations. You could say don't worry as much about oil consumption on 18+ 5.0s but there are many other engine designs exhibiting problematic oil consumption from multiple manufacturers. The auto manufacturers are already trying to restrict owners right to repair in order to maximize service revenue including the basic ability for owners to access OBD data for simple repairs. There is clearly pressure to do away with useful features like oil and transmission dipsticks which would then require an expensive trip to the dealer or independent shop for simple diagnostic. Redundancy is good when the primary system relies on cheap electrical sensors and connectors exposed to extreme temperatures over time. I for one will not take your advice and encourage others to verify specs and be proactive informed consumers/owners.
YOUNG female here with a 19' 5.0 and everything was fine until February. Truck started shutting off in traffic. Idling very weird. Jerking etc. Check engine came on. Computer said it needed a new solenoid. Changed that. Find out its 4qrts low on oil. Filled it back up. Drove smooth for about a week. Right back to the same results. A sip of oil here and there before I leave makes for a smoother ride. I have a service appointment scheduled. But the dealership is backed up. So I still have a full month left until I take it in.😢
On my 2018 5l I reduced oil consumption by switching from 5w20 to 5w30 oil. The sprayed on plasma cylinder liners may have something to do with the oil consumption.
As a long time Ford truck owner I say this. Great information. What I found most interesting is your comment on oil volume range. 6 quarts minimum,,for regular operations. Could it be the “extra 3 quarts in the oil pan is to increase your oil change intervals? I check the oil on my 2019 (5L), every 1000 miles. After the reprogramming, I burn 1 quart in 3000 miles. Instead of adding, I change oil. Again that for the info, it really helps this 60 something driver.
I have a 2016 with the gen2 5.0L Coyote engine. It has over 100K miles and has never burned any oil. Ford increased the compression ratio from 10.5/1 to 12.0/1 when they went to the gen3 in 2018. What did they expect to happen? All that pressure blows oil right past the rings. Duhhh!
I’m going on engine number four on my 2018 f150 5.0 and the oil light doesn’t ever come on hell it never came on and I didn’t even have oil on my dipstick 😅 you are one funny guy.
I can't believe a mechanic is telling us to stop checking our oil. That just doesn't sound right. Out of sight, out of mind, I suppose? Any new engine that consumes a quart or more in 3k miles has a problem. My 2019 with 33k miles burns more than a quart every 3k, and yes, I have a catch can. It catches ounces. I'm assuming the rest is plugging up my engine and catalytic converter?? My 7.3 diesel with 400k doesn't even use that much oil.
There is a huge problem with 5.0’s burning oil. Our company has large number of F1 50s 18 and up all burn oil. I’ve had to put up to 1 gallon one time on my valve started to rattle few of the guys have burn up their motors. Definitely check your oil guys.
I belong to several 18-21 f150 5.0 groups and very few have had the reprogramming tsb work. I didn't work on mine. I don't know where this 90% came from?
People have to realize these engines have extremely durable forged pistons in them and a side affect of that is using oil! Forged pistons have to be installed with alot looser tolerances as they expand alot when they heat up.Its the same deal with the 5.0 mustangs in the 80s/90s.They used forged pistons also and i bought one new in 86.It used a quart every 1500 miles but Ford had so many complaints about it that starting in late 92 they switched to cheaper hypereutectic pistons and had no more complaints but alot of people that supercharged there 5.0 after the switch smoked there engines not knowing they started putting cheaper parts in them.Its a trade off!
I have a 2018 5.0 without update and between oil changes I go through 5 gals + of oil. it is a huge issue. thinking of getting the update done. I put 2.5 quarts in this morning. wasn't even showing on the dipstick. telling everyone not to check their oil is nuts.
That’s what Ford’s quality control has come down to. Oil consumption is normal, just stop checking it. Hilarious. I had an F150 and Mustang in the early 2000’s with the 4.6 and that was an incredibly reliable engine, neither one ever burned a drop. Ford isn’t what it used to be.
2020 5.0 61k miles. Just changed oil after 4500 miles because my oil level was barely on the dipstick. Turns out it consumed 3.5 quarts in that 4500 miles. Don't check your oil? Ridiculous. BTW I already had the TSB done with the reprogramming thing.
I’m under 65 and I check my oil periodically in all my cars. I have a 2019 Mustang GT with a 5.0. With the strut tower brace, it’s not the easiest to pull the dipstick and have the confidence that you are getting a good measurement.
Funny there was no mention of the PTWA cylinder walls.. (plasma transferred wire arc) Oil consumption didn’t seem to be an issue on the gen 2 5.0’s. I don’t think stopping checking your oil is the answer. Just because it holds 9 damn quarts doesn’t mean it should burn 3 in 3-4K miles.
I work on a fleet of these trucks in the f150 and there are a handful of the 5.0L that inhale oil , guaranteed they are abused. The update helped some of them
Hello Mayson & ALL !! Thanks for the video on the " oil-burn / Oil-checking " ideas !! I am 71 & have always checked/oil in all my cars ( mostly on a weekly basis ). Consider this; Even though Ford " might " have designed the 5.0 to run on oil levels from 6qts to the full 9qts; those actual 3 quart-oil-volumes add to so much more about support of the entire engine ( cooling, carbon-load of the oil, etc, etc ). Keep up the great-work on the videos !!! Tks Again, jeffrie / Camas, WA
You’re mostly correct. The tsb fixes the consumption problem AND the psychological problem. The new pcm strategy usually reduces the consumption to below 1 qt/3000 miles. The new dipstick increases the range between full and add to TWO quarts instead of the usual 1 qt range. So a person can go the customary 6000 miles between oil changes without having to add oil. That fixes the psychological problem. As a result, about 90+ % of the problems have been fixed with the tsb.
@@gregorymalchuk272 it says the purpose of the old dashpot on carburetors that delayed throttle closing. it’s simply cracked open the throttle slightly. Which slightly reduces vacuum when coasting. Excess vacuum can pull oil past the ring and valve seals . Older fuel injected cars simply kept the idle air control valve slightly open to accomplish the same job
Ok I agree but with a new truck with less than 36,000 why should I have to do anything like a catch can. Then what do I do with the oil in the catch can? Just keep throwing it away?
@@fireriders8319 Even a car that's brand new with ZERO miles would benefit from an oil catch can. Like he said, it traps those oil vapors before being burned off inside the combustion chamber. Keeps the intake, valves, and pistons much cleaner. And you literally empty the can at every oil change, that is, if you even change your own oil.
I have a 2019 5.0 F150 with 70000 miles on it. I don't check my oil and when my check engine light came on I went to youtube to see what was out there. The first video I saw said check your oil, which I did. The level didn't even register on the dipstick. I was close to needing an oil change so I put 4-5 quarts of oil in it to register to the bottom mark on the dipstick. The check engine light went off after a short trip to the store and then had my oil changed 2 days later. I would like to reduce oil consumption so I'm researching the issue. Nice video!
I’ve been running 5.0 motor’s between 2018-2020 needing cam phasers, my personal truck and some in our fleet. The phasers clack under load and sound like a 3.5 starting. One truck in our fleet is a 2020 5.0 with 34k miles and it burns 6 quarts of oil in a 3000 mile period, with no dash indicators regarding oil level or pressure. It will eventually misfire and run horribly. We explain to the driver to check and they refuse.
Really appreciate all the time you put into these videos and the information you supply us. Can you do some videos on becoming a certified mechanic explaining to young men the correct process and what you went through to become a certified mechanic. Could you go into detail on your Snap On tool cabinet and the tools and costs to get started. What is necessary and what’s not. You’re an inspiration to many people out here for your hard work and knowledge you bring to the profession and these videos. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work.
I can agree with that and I'll also add that it may have something to do with the spray welded cylinders that started in 18 model year Sleeved cylinders in the 17 m.y.
RUclips Ford Boss Me has a video of a 5.0 that was still using oil after the reprogramming. They were waiting on a replacement engine and found it was nolonger made. There is LP version that he was able to get(block only). All parts could be swapped. He said they are now saying the process to harden the cylinder walls was bad. The LP engine is made different. My son-in-law had a 5.0, it was still using oil after the reprogramming. He traded it off.
The LP engine still has the plasma spray cylinder liner. Something with the valvetrain is a little beefier but the oil consumption issue can still happen in the LP engine. Either way you get a little more piece of mind having a better replacement option having the LP engine put in.
That's the problem with trading it back to the dealer. I bought a used 2019 ford f150 with 29k on dash and after a moth of owning it I went to add washer fluid and just checked the oil for shots and it was 2 qts low. Now I'm adding 1 qt every thousand miles. I took it to dealer and they did the dipstick tsb and still has the problem. How is it ok for ford to know of this problem and tell you to trade it in for a new one then resell it to someone like me has a gold certified truck. At these prices you shouldn't have to do anything but brakes and tires for the first 100k.
The new longer dipstick is Ford's way of saying we are topping up too often unnecessarily but without saying, yeah, we still think it's going to burn off a lot of oil regardless of their fix. I bet the majority of the oil is getting past the rings while it's warming up, and add some deceleration to your local stop signs etc to the condition.
I'm old school. I check my oil regularly. In my last oil change cycle, in 6100 miles, I had to add 6 quarts of full synthetic and it was at least a quart low when I changed it. That's unacceptable. Had I not checked and added it would have had about 2 quarts in the pan. My dealer said to bring it in and they.will diagnose and he said probably replace the engine. It currently only has 31k miles. My 02 Dodge 2500 v10 has 125k miles and uses about a quarter of a quart in 3k oil change cycle. My 01 jeep has 230k miles and uses about a quart in 3k miles. When I talked to the dealer about the oil consumption, first thing he said....oh great, not another one. If they don't replace the engine I'm trading it in for a new Ram.
I don't believe vacuum is the problem, the first gen 5.0l in the trucks, atleast in my experience, have had zero oil consumption in 5k miles. And the one I have tows for an entire oil change without burning a drop. And the DSFO when engine braking generates so much vacuum it pegs out most vacuum gauges and still doesn't pull oil into the combustion chamber. It has to be an engineering flaw in the newer engines like lower tension piston rings or possibly micro porosity in the new plasma liners. And in this day I don't believe oil consumption is normal for any engine, I've been around engines enough and built so many that a well built engine can run for atleast 150k without using oil.
A contributing factor is the thinner 20 weight oil so many vehicles “require”. Need to go back to 30 weights. The ever so slight fuel mileage difference would barely, if ever, be noticeable in real world driving. To give advice to not check your oil is very dangerous territory to be in. You always need to be on top of all your fluid levels. Oil consumption can be just the beginning of an upcoming engine issue. Burning too much oil also shortens the life of your catalytic converter as there or more pollutants for it to break down. Not having dipsticks is also a very dangerous trend. We, the vehicle owners, need to be able to check fluid levels on our own without having to take them to a shop. There is no such thing as thing as a lifetime oil or any fluid. That is a major offender with tranny fluid. The manufactures want to sell vehicles and they can not sell as many if their vehicles last many 100’s of thousands of miles. Always keep a close check of your fluid levels, top off when needed, and change fluids often if you want a long lasting, hopefully problem free vehicle. Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
I just got the TSB 19-2365 done to my 2020 5.0 and I just hit 2,000 miles post TSB and my engine consumed about 1 quart. I’ve heard switching from 5w-20 to 5w-30 has helped some 5.0 owners so I’m considering to switch oil weights myself. What I really don’t understand is why my oil cap says 5w-20 but my owners Manual says to use 5w-30. I even asked the people at my local Ford dealership about that and they said just to use whatever the oil cap reads lol.
I switched to 5w-30 and it retained more oil and has down about a quart at 5k miles on the oil. I’ve heard some people go even thicker with 5w-50 so that might be an option if you’re in a warmer climate
I also thought the manual said 5W-30, however, the diagram and 5W-30 statement is from the previous engine, the 3.5 ecoboost. The page break makes it look like you are looking at 5.0 specs.
A thin 40 weight, like Mobil 1 0w-40 FS....is basically a 0w-35 oil and could be a great oil for 5.0's in the South. I had an Explorer 2.0 EB that loved the M1 0w-40, btw.
Yes your 2020 (same as mine) 5.0 calls for 5w-20. Ford switched back to 5w-30 for the 5.0 in 2021 (engine has cylinder deactivation). I believe the switch to 5w-20 was for fuel economy. No longer needed with cylinder deactivation in 2021, so back to 5w-30. I will be changing over to 5w-30 next oil change to see if it helps the oil consumption issue.
The reprogramming did help my 2018. It was using 2 quarts in 5000 miles. I change oil every 5000 miles. And yes, I check my oil at least once a week, after it sits for at least 30 min.
I figured that the extra oil capacity was to keep the oil temperatures down. These engines made their comeback in 2011, that’s the one I own. They have oil jets that spray up from the crankcase onto the bottom of the pistons. That helps keep combustion temperatures controlled and consistent. That extra volume helps dissipate that heat while going through the engine oil cooler.
@@jwhmerica504 nope, the F150 has them too. Only real difference between the truck and the car engine is the exhaust manifolds, and the tune on the ecu. The truck is set up for more torque.
@@marktarascio4766 splitting hairs here. Basic engine architecture is the same, you’re correct, I overlooked the intake and compression ratio. My point was more about the oil capacity and the reason for it.
Consuming 1/4-1 quart of oil over 4-5k miles is absolutely great. Some oil will get consumed past the piston rings and some through the PCV system but if your consuming 1.5-3 quarts over a 5k oil change interval I’d say it’s excessive
I have a 2018 5.0 F150 and after a 5 minute idle when I step on the gas, Oil smoke is completely billowing out of the exhaust pipe. I also have to add at least 6 quarts between oil changes. The mechanic installed a new dipstick per Ford's bulletin, which i now learned lowered the minimum level indicator line on the dipstick to attempt to hide the problem.
Watched your whole video, and yes, I am 61 years old. Been driving Ford trucks for over 25 years. (Priors '77 Chev, 79 dodge (pre Ram), and 'S10. Bought the '19 with 1700 miles. Used the recommended 5-20 full synthetic. Didn't need to check oil because it didn't go through oil between changes. Here is the issue: Last fall, running poorly due to low oil.(advanced timing solenoids and oil change fixed this.) That was 4500 miles ago. Issue has returned. Just checked oil level (against your advice). 2 quarts low. Noticed that Ford now recommends 5-30 weight oil for the 5.0. Put in 2 quarts of full synthetic 10-40. My guess is that Ford because of EPA was recommending a lighter oil than the engine was designed for originally. Pretty sure this will correct the problem, but will post again if not
How has your ‘19 been doing? Just bought a ‘19 with 26k miles and this worries me because my dipstick level was pretty low so I’m trying to find the fix to all this.
As a ford owner I always check oil and fluid levels every month I still have my 66 GT 350 and disappointed in the new trucks burning oil, but am told Gas is dirty for the earth
I have a 2019 5.0 f150 with the 10 speed transmission. I think that the vacuum is also created when going down hill and the transmission down shifts. I started tapping the brakes before going down hill so the transmission doesn't down shift and noticed the consumption isn't nearly as much. I wanted the dealer to turn off the auto learn feature on the transmission but they wouldn't do it. I also try to check my oil once a week because if it were to blow I don't want my warranty to be void.
2 Things I did that may help, and it WASNT stop checking the oil...1. Install a new PCV valve, They're cheap may as well. 2. Go to 5W30 oil to possibly lessen the use.
I remember when I was younger, the owners manuals recommended checking the oil every fill up. An engine was not considered to be burning oil unless it was 1 qt per 500 miles. It was unusual for an engine to go between oil changes without using at least one qt of oil
@@fireriders8319 Did you have the TSB Performed yet? It has probably helped over 90% of the cars we performed it on and made it where the oil consumption had dropped to LESS THAN 1 qt/3,000 miles. In most cases they no longer have to add oil between oil changes. There were a FEW it didn’t fix. But not many.
Yes they did the TSB which involved the dipstick and reprograming the computer. What's funny is I've been in the automotive business for over 45 years so I marked my dipstick before I took it to Sayville Ford for the TSB. They said they changed it and did the drive computer reprogram. Lo and behold my engraved mark was right there on the dipstick. I have the frame for the sign completed and my friend is having the billboard made up to go on it. I will park this lemon pick up in front of every Ford dealer on Long Island before Christmas for sure.
I check my oil every time I fuel up. 36 gallon tank so every 800 miles or so. I kind of thought this was a normal procedure for people who care about their vehicles? Didn't realize I was in the 1%-5% who actually does this. I would add that I don't necessarily check my oil to see what the level is, but to get a general trend for how much I'm burning/using over a known period of time. This is mechanic 101 stuff here. If I'm regularly burning 1qt every 10,000 miles (2018 F150 5.0 with 90k miles), then all of a sudden it changes, I know something is up. This is a great way to diagnose and fix a problem before it requires an entire engine replacement, especially when you are out of warranty... The last thing we need to be telling people is to not check their oil. I'm also a previous owner of a Subaru STI, where if the oil light came on you have already destroyed your engine. YMMV. Monitor your fluid levels guys, it's literally just common sense.
I check my oil levels because of the random timing chain rattle that happens when level is low. Recently changed the MAP sensor and it was soaked in oil. Keep in mind I run an oil catch can.
I'm an old guy who checks oil. I agree with you, my 2019 5.0 burns it but I do not see any issues that would cause concern. No smoke, no drips, no thrown rod, and plugs are fine. Send it!
I have a 2022 F-150 with a 5.0. I tuned it to turn off cylinder dedication. I have driven my truck all up and down the east coast. It has been from Tampa, Fl all the way to NYC. I live in VA and plan to drive it to Canada next year. It's never let me down
Most people Aren't reporting the oil leak issues that's why only 20 or so Have showed up with bad oil consumption issue lots of people See the oil consumption issue and Don't Trust the dealer or a Mechanic to fix it because it's been going on For years back to the 14 year models also
I think there is a point of over consumption...but i agree with not checking your oil i change mine on the regular (5000km im Canadian) sometimes if i just cant get to it i run it to 8000km which is what i was writing on window stickers at the dealer...either way ive never added oil just change and go...if i suspect an issue ill check it to see whats going on...if i think it's excessive ill look for where it may be going (valve stem seals, piston rings, leaks)... anyway not everyone is going to agree with this video but it doesn't matter i don't see anyone else coming up with solutions...im 50/50 on this video tho but kudos for putting it out there
Thanks for the video. My 2018 just went into "limp mode". I didnt even know that was a thing. Im driving doen a 2 lane back road and alarm after alarm went off. Truck immediately lost power. No gas what so ever. Luckiky it did this after i made it to the top of the hill and i coasted around a curve to a church parking lot. I turned tge truck off, waited a few minutes, and then restarted just fine. Started doing some Google searching and found out low oil could cause it. Went directly to get oil change. 3 quarts low. Tgats when i found out about limp mode. Very thankful for that design. Again, thanks for the video. Puts my mind at ease knowing that the oil IS going somewhere. Had me baffled for a bit.
My neighbor called me yesterday and asked for me to look at his 2019 5.0 Lariat with 65K miles because of a rattle type noise he heard on a cold start. He had no knowledge of the oil consumption issue, so I checked his oil and found that it wasn't even touching the dipstick. After adding 5.5 QTS of oil, we finally made it into the acceptable range on the dipstick. I suspect the noise he heard was the cam phasers being dry on a cold start due to such a low level. The truck had no DTC's or check engine light for low oil level. A truck with only 65K miles should not be using that much oil, and I don't believe an updated programming will slow it enough to justify keeping it. I told him that Ford doesn't have an updated cylinder block design without the plasma transfer lining, and urged him to trade it in while it still has good trade value.
You are an awesome young man that takes thing to the basics and don’t overcompensate or over complicate things. I wish I could bring my 2019 ford f150 to you..: it was first a rattle “for the “heat shield” nope! lol they are now checking to find were it’s burning oil and I’m going to share this video maybe the young techs that look like my middle school son I’ll add could take this advice though. Thank you very much!!! I’ll let you and the viewers know if they get to the bottom of it
Once a week at a minimum are my vehicles oil checked. When we go out on a drive I check it. Granted i have a 13 f150 and stand on my frame in front of radiator to check it. My wife gets so frustrated cause she wants to go and I'm checking ool
I have a 2019 F150 with the 5L V8 and have had many oil consumption problems. Two times it was in to be reprogrammed to fix the excessive oil consumption (1 quart every 1,000 or so miles). I now have it in the they said the sulfur content in fuel breaks down the cylinder wall coating. The fix this time is to have a brand new engine put in, luckily I have an extended warranty on the powertrain. The problem is the Ford service at the dealership said it took 8 to 9 months to fix the last truck they had in for the same problem. Obviously I am not happy about having to wait. Not sure if anyone else has a similar situation or have experienced that long of a wait.
I have a 2018 5.0… went thru 2 milage tests after 10k miles. Problem was fixed by changing to 5-30 from 5-20 oil… problem resolved. I also installed a Ford Performance oil separator with in 1 week of new.
My 2019 F150 5.0 is now currently at the dealer. 25k miles on the truck. Aside from now needing VCT solenoids my trucks burns 1 quart every 2k miles. That is extremely excessive in my opinion. Thanks for the info on the bulletin. I'm passing the info along.
lmmfao i hear yah i was a gm tech for years and i saw the same thing just not as crucial .but in my opinion most social media experts do really have a life they just love to complain about something .especially if they don't know what there talking about .it is a proven theory if you remove so much oil from an engine it will make more horsepower on a Dyno do to less oil slap .these engines today burn oil even ls engines but like you said do your maintenance and you wont ever see an issue or think you even have an issue .those who don't do there maintenance blow up there engines then want to blame someone else .that's how simple it actually is
Quote " A thousand miles and the oil wouldnt be touching the dip stick." "After a couple thousand miles it would be 2-3 quarts of oil low" Ford TSB states oil consumption at a quart of oil every 3000 miles is normal, but the above comments would imply the oil consumption for many is well above normal. The mechanic would imply this isnt an issue because more owners dont complain, but if they checked their engines oil consumption they probably would. Clearly there IS a problem , but the average person dont know it. Ok , so whats the fix? This mechanics opinion is to "Stop Checking Your Oil." Thats correct, just ignore it until you have engine knock or warning lights. I suppose with an 8qt capacity you could burn a good bit of oil and still retain enough to keep your engine lubricated. Simple math would share a quart every 1500 miles would have you 5 quarts down from your 8 quart capacity between oil change intervals. If you dont care about oil consumption, you may wish to take a look at the cost to replace your catalytic converters as this bathing in oil can definitely shorten its life. I wouldnt ignore a loss of coolant , leaky roof or window, loss of air pressure in my tires, loss of transmission fluid, loss of power steering fluid or any other issue and the idea of "Stop checking and you wont know there is a problem" is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. Considering the cost of a Ford F150, owners deserve a reliable engine which uses very little oil between changes.
I had this in my 2018 f150 5.0. I drove from NY to WA this summer. I had the oil changed right before I left. I had about a week of continuous driving. When I got to the WA border I noticed a rough idle and performance issues. The check engine light came on with misfire codes. Took it into Ford and they performed the dipstick and reprogramming TSP. Lower oil levels caused too much vacuum. The engine stopped having issues but noticed it wasnt idling as smooth. Pulled the spark plugs and they seemed to have allot of burnt oil on them.
I think you might have a different perspective if you owned one. While a lower oil quantity may be ok for the engine., what does the ingested oil due to the engine long term? I change my own oil at 50% oil life which is around 4000 miles. I am down at least 2 quarts including the filter oil. I use Pennzoil ultra full synthetic. I am only 55 and still check the oil about every 1000 miles or less when towing. Thanks for the update.
I have a 2018 Platinum - It drinks oil and I do check it quite often. The 3K miles is a joke. Seems like it consumes more oil under a load. So it varies. I checked it before pulling my boat and it was full. Went on a weekend trip with the boat and came back 4 quarts low. Lucky that a check engine light came on to let me know something wasn't right. The 5w 20 synthetic is way too thin (like water). Thats why I think it burns so quickly. Looking for a thicker or better oil to put in.
Also, my 2011 5.0 mustang has 145K and never burned a drop of oil with 7500 mile synthetic blend oil changes at the dealer and redline shifts almost every day. The truck was babied in that I still have 88K on the front brakes! The 2018 5.0 has issues either direct injection or the spray on liner of the pistons but my compression checked out fine only the heads were replaced.
Hey brother, I have a 2012 f150 with the 5.0 and I’ve recently been seeing a few things about exhaust valves getting too hot on cylinders 4 and 8, causing them to wear down, recess, and tulip. Is this something that happens often or should I just forget about it?
Interesting opinion. I could understand a truck with 150-200k burning some oil, but any decent modern engine under 100k shouldn’t burn a quart of oil in an oil change interval. Why doesn’t the last gen coyote have this issue? Sleeve vs coating. I’m definitely guilty of not checking my oil. Every oil change my 3.5 drops 6 quarts and no leaks. Until either of those change I’m not too worried.
You should be worried more about a low coolant reservoir indicating turbo leaks, and also clacking that indicates cam phaser issues. Those 3.5s have made a lot of techs a lot of money.
All new trucks from all manufacturers burn oil. Thanks to the positive crankcase ventilation… GM also has a similar specification for oil consumption per xxxx miles / kilometres. Let’s just be thankful that ford didn’t put in cylinder deactivation like the rest of the OEMs. Ford has “ phaser “ problems …. Yea well Ram and GM have camshaft and lifter problems constantly lol
I totally get what your saying on this oil thing, that being said i still believe it is a good idea to check your oil, which is like the heart of the engine, because you might have those normal everyday things going on and one of them might be excessive and thak it down below that threshold that it was designed to. It may not do anything that time but a continuous scenario like that every time it gets changed, may cause long term issues. Most dont keep track of fuel mileage either but i do and can tell you in my log every time i had a problem with the vehicle. Another example my dad had his transmission serviced at the dealership the last time it was done. He went to change it himself this time becuase he started having slipping issues, no leaks or anything on this truck and low miles but that transmission was definitely 3 quarts low and becuase he never checked the transmission fluid he did not find out until it was a problem
I have a 19' 5.0, about 100k on it and got the truck tuned around 20k so i never bothered to take it in for the TSB. My opinion, these are very high performance engines. 12:1 compression, 400+ hp 5.0L engine naturally aspirated. In the world of racing, if you built hot rod motor with these same specs, no one be bothered by the oil consumption. Ford built a reliable, mass production hot rod engine. Like he said this just a characteristic of the 5.0, pros and cons to high performance engines, and thats all it really is.
Mine only uses a half-quart every 3000 miles at the most. You really do have to get it to temp, shut it off and wait 45 minutes or you'll never get a consistent reading on the stick. I think a contributing factor is the trucks probably run higher oil temperatures than the Mustangs to get the oil thinner for better fuel economy. I know I catch more trash-oil in my truck's PCV catch can than I did in any of my Mustangs, which I think has to do with higher temps creating more vapor in the crankcase. I'd also be curious if the piston ring packs are lesser friction between the truck and Mustang 5.0 to help with MPGs. IDK though. It's not a big deal for me, I just keep an eye on it.
My 2019 GT recommended oil viscosity is 0w-20. They say to use 5w-30 for tack use and to switch it back to 0w-20 afterwards. So let’s see, buy 10 qtrs of synthetic 5w-30 then replace it with ten quarts of 0w-20. Yeah nope. I can’t track mine because there are no tracks near me and it’s a vert.
If it wasn't an issue Ford wouldn't be handing out replacement engines and they wouldn't have discontinued the gen 3 5.0. This is a major issue. It is also much larger than you are making it out to be. When you burn so much oil that you can hear your timing chains flopping around and you get P0390/P0394 codes, that is a problem. I have a 2014 5.0 that doesn't use a drop. I hope you get your clicks and comments.
Stop checking the oil? Are you kidding me. I bet if I brought a 5.0 in for service with an engine problem and only had 3 quarts of oil in it, they would void the warranty and tell me it was my fault for not keeping the oil level up to manufacturers specifications.
I haven’t had an oil consumption issue on my 2019 F-150 Roush with the 5.0L. I have a JLT oil catch can to catch any oil coming up through the PCV valve just in case, though. But, even with the catch can, it doesn’t catch too much oil coming up through the PCV valve.
Mayson, I have been following you for some time now. You are informative, hilarious and entertaining. I think you are way off base on this one. Granted this post has been up for a while. I have been watching you on Facebook and just found your RUclips Channel. That said...as others in the thread have said....we were taught to always check oil levels in vehicles (including power equipment). It is poor engineering to have a Newish (2020 King Ranch purchased in 2021 as a CPO vehicle now with 44,000 miles) truck that burns 5 quarts of oil between changes. Mine has been through the TSB process one time just after we got it and it helped until a recent issue with water intrusion into the pre-collision sensor from a leaking weld seam in the roof resulted in another reprogramming of the PCM. Now it is burning oil again. This is getting old. This after a near life threatening issue with a 2013 EcoBoost going into Limp Mode on full boost in Atlanta traffic. I'm beginning to think maybe something other than Ford next time....which pains me greatly.
I have a 2018 F150 with a 5.0 Coyote and I recently took it for service at a Ford dealership. When I went back to pick it up the guy says your oil was low. I said I don't touch the oil, I leave that for you. It doesn't smoke, doesn't leak, nor can I smell the oil getting burned up, and the oil pressure is always good but something is definately happening to it. I drove it about 1500 miles since that change and had to add a quart of oil to it. These issues should be told to people at the dealership to vehicle owners so they can monitor it. I will always check it now since this has happened to me.
I have a new 2023 5.0 reg. cab short bed. It has 5300 miles +/- a few. In that time, at 3000 times I started hearing a ticking around the 2000 rpm mark around 3000 miles. I checked the oil and it was low. I ended up adding 1 quart and that put it in the middle for the acceptable range. But now here I am at 5000 plus miles with the truck saying 30% oil life left and the truck started ticking again. I checked the oil and can't get a clear reading EVEN after sitting for 2 days. So I changed the oil and filter (motorcraft). After adding 7.75 quarts, started until and idled until oil pressure came up, turned it off. Pulled the stick and let it sit for a few. Checked it again and the oil level was spot on full. What I came to was they oil level was so low that it barley registered on the stick. That would put it at 2 or more quarts low. So in total it's burned 3 plus quarts of oil in under 5500 miles. This is unacceptable. Lucky for me I have two trucks so I'll drive my 2013 Chevy Reg cab short bed 5.3 with 188k miles and doesn't burn any oil. To say not to check oil is crazy. If you hear ticking, check your oil. If it's burning a quart every few thousand miles, take it in. It's not suppose to.
Pcm reprogram is probably just opening throttle body on engine deceleration. Less engine braking. The oil sender replacement is gunna turn on the low oil lamp when it's 2 quarts low, not 1 quart low. Ford masking a problem to get them out of the warranty period.
I'm 48 years old and I have owned nothing but Ford my whole life. I have worked on and Hot Rodded too many to count. I have never had any of them use oil. I currently manage a Quick Lube. We service about 30 to 40 cars a day. The only cars we consistently see low on oil between changes are Kia's, Hyundai's, and GM vehicles with LS engines... They are all one to two quarts short at every single oil change even when new... In the last year I have had one solitary 5.0 come in with oil consumption issues... That's it. Oh and I check my oil at least weekly
I don’t agree with you on this one. Designed to burn oil??? It sounds like an excuse to a poor design/ avoiding warranty $. This isn't an old rotary engine. I had a 1999 Navigator 5.4 32valve 175,000 miles with no measurable oil loss. My 2020 F150 5.0 with 70k miles burns 1 qt every 1,500 miles. Mine has had the oil loss TSB completed at 40k miles. I capped the pcv nipples and put valve cover breathers on to see if oil was being sucked into the intake. No change in oil consumption. Still losing 1qt/1,500 miles so you tell me where the oil is going? I will be switching to 5w30 next to see if it helps. I believe it is 100% the cylinder coating and low friction rings in fords attempt to increase mpg to meet EPA standards. Not to mention the 5w-20 engine oil. Miraculously, when cylinder deactivation came out in 21’, spec went back to 5w-30. Hmmm…. And the switch from 75w-140 to 75w-85 in the differentials. Edit: still burning 1 qt/1500mi on 5w30
I dont know about other guys that has the roush performance level pac 2 installed, but mine after the roush kit solved this issue, drove from alberta to new-brunswick towing a 20ft loaded enclosed trailer, did not burnt a drop since!!!
I really hope that you are wrong about the dipsticks going away! I really hate the fact that Ford took away the dipstick from the transmission. (At least the conventional dipstick tube)
You might want to check your oil. The way I learned of this issue was when my truck started running rough and gave me a crank position sensor fault code. Had the oil changed and the fault went away. I now have my oil checked twice between changes and it’s always a quart low. The place that charges my oil does the top off for free.
I have a 2014 150 with the 3.7 with 150,000 miles and it doesn't use a drop between oil changes every 5,000 miles. I check it regularly anyway. It's just the right thing to do.
I have a 2020 5.0 F150. I also have the first truck I ever bought: A 1987 F250 diesel. The 1987 has half a million miles on it. The F150 has 21,000 miles on it. The F150 burns more oil than the 1987. a lot more. I just put 4 quarts in it tonight. That's what caused me to find this video. It's going on a road trip tomorrow and the motor would have been cooked if I didn't check it tonight. It was a gallon low. No noise; no warning lights; no nothing. I am not amused. Thank you for your video. But I suggest that everybody should check their damn oil!
You should have the low oil light switch check out
That’s way beyond what ford allows. Have them fix it.
Me 2 I was going cross country I think I was 3 to 4 quarts low, no knock or gauge differences
Same here, I always have to check and the darn thing is 4 quarts low all the darn time, within 3000 miles. That’s in the city miles
Have you taken it in for the pcm update?
Give me a break! My 20 was guzzling 4.5 qts every 5k miles. Dont tell me not to check my oil. It got a new engine at 34k.
My 2015 5.0 has been flawless going on 210 k miles ! No transmission issues … best truck I’ve ever owned
@danwilliams8771 Yeah got a 2015 5.0 too, but a mustang gt. I just wasn't a fan of the 18+ motor, transmission or Mustang front fascia redo, didn't like having an extra set of injectors with the Port Fuel Inject & the new Direct Inject fuel injectors, the 10 speed transmission and it's gear hunting ways...too many damn gears for an Auto to hunt through, and I was going for the Guard Metallic dark green grey also that was only available in 15 & 16, so I went with 15-16 5.0. For the changes that were put in place going from gen 2 to gen 3, I'd expect the HP and Torque gains to be considerably better and at least a little bump in mpg gains, but the mpg gains stayed the same if not a little worse and the HP gains aren't the greatest, keeping in mind that the Gen 3 throttle body is slightly larger also so really where did alot of it's power difference come from? Maybe I just need to see both gen 2 and gen 3 numbers with exact same mods side by side to notice the difference, maybe I'm missing something. I just don't see what's so much better about the 3rd gen over the 2nd gen coyote, 3rd gen fans make it seem like it's the reinvention of the wheel. They had to de-tune the 22+ models because of emissions, so really customers weren't getting 460hp, customers were getting 450hp the last couple years of it. I jus't don't feel the 3rd gen Coyote is all it's cracked up to be, I'd say just skip the 3rd gen Coyote and the 18-23 Mustang with that ugly front fascia (if for the mustang, my opinion...they ended up ditching that re-design anyways and going back with a 15-17 type style design for the S650, many were against the 18+ mustang looks in the beginning....then later went with it knowing they had no choice if wanting a new one), and go with the 2nd Iteration of combo Fuel Injection (Direct Inject and Port Fuel) in a Coyote and get the 24+ 5.0 Mustang or Truck. I added Oil Catch Cans to my 2nd gen 5.0 and naturally I have to check the oil anyways from time to time and empty those out. My other cars that i've previously driven were older and used, and I drove them well over 200k+ and almost 300k miles, and switched them to Mobil Full Synthetic with a little Lucas Oil Heavy Duty Stabilizer added after 100K so I'm used to checking the oil. Honestly I don't see how folks go without checking their oil every now and then!! Especially with the cost of vehicles now, my goodness. Though I know technology has come a long way. Good channel also, you all take care, ty.
That's how my 2013 was except I traded it in at 80k miles, have had an 18 for the past 5 years now, better mileage but this oil burning issue started around 50k and the 10 speed is just ass. Has more power, though. Not sure I'm going to keep it much longer.
my 2015 F150,5.0 never uses oil 135K miles
It's the 2018 through 2020 that are having the issues be thankful
this guy comes to my work with a 19 platinum with the 5.0 and it’s got 90k on it now but since almost new (probably around 15k it started) he would come in with a check engine light and it was a low oil code every time. the most recent time he came in still had 1k left on his oil change and i had to add 6 quarts of oil just to get it on the dip stick again. and he’s not the only one that comes in with a 5.0 with consumption issues i just think people believe they need motors so they don’t speak up because this gentleman drives for a living and needs his truck and doesn’t have time to wait for a motor swap. but thank you for this info i will let the guy know this and hopefully he’ll go back to the dealer and get the reprogramming done. thank you!
You are absolutely correct! Every ford V8 I have owned burns oil! I have this 2018 5.0 and it runs fine. The only concern with this model range was the 10 speed transmission issues. But I had a master mechanic fix that by disabling the adaptive learning tables. Not resetting but completely turning it off. Now it runs like as smooth as butter!
I agree with you. I have a 2019 5.0 f150 and I had the pcm reprogrammed. I think it helped but I wanted the auto learn system shut off as well and the dealer wouldn't do it. I think what is happening is when you are going down hill and the transmission down shifts is where the vacuum occurs especially when cruise control is on. I turn off cc when going down long steep grades and I think it has helped. I need to find a master mechanic to turn off the learning like you did.
Did you do it at a dealership or outside mechanic shop?
It will until it wears and the software doesn’t account for that because you turned it off. Nothing is free. Those days are over.
Every? You never had 4.6l then cause mine never burn oil literally at fill mark start and end 5-7k miles oil used was Mobil 1 full synthetic then Amsoil then Motorcraft engine had 175k ish miles on it and everything was gold colored when peeking thur pour cap.
Where is this master tech that can turn it off? My 19 needs it.
I understand his mindset but I'm 58 and I do check my oil. I have a gen2 2017 GT and I barely let my mileage go past 2500mi and I use full synthetic. My 2011 Mazdaspeed 3 doesn't burn oil but I still check . To hear a millennial say DO NOT CHECK YOUR OIL is crazy.
I check my oil every 500 miles regardless of vehicle or any known issues. Usually it’s every fillup . I’m also ocd but it’s a good habit to have
I couldn’t agree more.
That's kind of the way I do my '93 Toyota truck with 312K. miles on it. I check it after I change the oil to make sure it's full. Then again after the next change at 6K. miles. It is starting to have a consumption problem of almost a pint in 6K. miles. I might check on getting it reprogrammed.
I check my oil on an 05 Tacoma every 8k miles when I change the oil. Currently at 463k miles original everything
Dont check your oil wtf 😅
I drive a toyota. I open my hood to change oil lol
Here’s what I think you missed. The reason most of us are concerned is because these trucks cost so much to buy just to have an engine that uses oil from day one. There’s only so much warranty that we can get to help in the event the engine takes a dump. I have the 18 5.0 and I put a catch can on mine because the amount of oil I was losing was actually causing issues with how my truck ran. I ran top engine cleaner through it due to the fresh oil that was all in the throttle body. Seemed to have helped quite a bit but time will tell. I personally think Ford says this is a normal characteristic of the engine because they know they have a bad design. Also, do you have a fix for the timing chain rattle/slap on deceleration? Ford says that’s normal too. Never had a vehicle in my life that the timing chain rattled or slapped.
I just found a TSB # 18-2354 for the timing chain rattle. There is a module update that can be done.
@@jasonbrewer8065 yes sir. I had that TSB performed twice and didn’t change anything on my truck. I’m hoping this catch can will help keep the top end as clean as possible. Thanks for the info.
I started running E85 in my 18 5.0L a few months ago. The timing chain rattle on deceleration is almost nonexistent now. I get worse fuel mileage (400 miles per tank instead of 450 on 87 octane).
Currently using about a quart of oil every 1,000 miles. I started checking mine more after I did an oil change and what was left over was under 6 quarts. Barely filled up the 5 quart jug to the very top.
Also started smelling coolant on cold startup. Have to wait until next week to check that out.
@@moej6014 I've noticed improvement with E85 as well. It runs smooooth. Luckily it's about 30% cheaper than regular 87 where I'm at, so I actually save like $50 a month running E85 instead of 87, even with the loss in MPG.
@jasonbrewer8065 I agree with you. We spend too much money for these trucks to give us any cause of concern for any issues, much less have any. The PCV greatly helped my oil consumption though the level does still creep down some between changes
As for the timing chain rattle on decel. What I found with mine was it is the VCT solenoid shuttering. Of course I was told this was normal but that's another story. Here is a link to the video I found while researching. I conducted the same brake torque test with my brother and we were able to pinpoint the two that shutter. Maybe it is the same noise your makes Maybe not but figured I would pass it along. Best of luck
ruclips.net/video/TuQhZRqRIt8/видео.htmlsi=L8-oMCvIjOwv_f4x
I understand what your saying about checking the oil excessively, however I am an old school mechanic and that habit which I believe is a good one is ingrained in me. With that said I was noticing that my oil level was dropping ....not alot but enough that it bugged me. I installed a aftermarket oil separator which solved that issue coming from my pcv line. I don't like the oil going into my throttle body. Which in turn is not going to be good for your valves etc. Granted I didn't have that much oil to begin with being consumed but in my opinion there shouldn't be any going back into the throttle body. Anyway that's my thought on the subject. Thank you for your videos I do enjoy watching them. Never to old to learn.
Hey I’m 63 mechanic for life. Always checked oil levels in my trucks and small engine equipment. I learned this early on . I had vehicles that never used any oil and all were pre 1980. My first new car was 84 Mustang GT with 5.0 5 speed . I went through quart of oil every 1000 miles or less. I traded it in year after.
Almost bought a 5.0 f150 new in 2019. Beautiful truck. Went with a 5.7 tundra instead. No oil issues. 😉
Dang thats a shame. My 2018 5.0 does burn a lot of oil but no issues. I run it to 6k miles before changing or topping off. Truck is now at 62k miles and due for another oil change
Our fleet of F150's with 5.0's blew 4 engines in a fairly short period of time. The fleet investigations said it wasn't driver error, i.e. not changing the oil in the correct mileage(7500mi). Ford said it was from the start/stop feature. We now check our oil every week and the fleet is changing to Dodge(oh boy). There's something going on. I like my Ford and always have. I wish the problem could be figured out.
Im 51, i check my oil religiously, always have, always will. Great video.
Hello from Nova Scotia Canada!! My 19' with 3.5 Ecoboost I do check weekly as I regularly tow up to 6000lbs wth that truck.91 fuel,and Mobil 1 5w30 full synthetic changed every 8000kms or 5000 miles never changes on the dipstick,ever
i check the oil on my 05 Silverado every time i fill up with gas. i never see anyone else doing it though. great video!!
Gotta love that 5.3-6.0 I got a 01 silverado 20 yr old truck and engine..thing still runs great and doesn't burn oil!
I didnt expect you to say the problem is proactive mechanically inclined truck owners.... I've caught multiple issues dealers either ignored or didn't check while under warranty to the benefit of thousands in covered repairs for me and my family. The idea that we should simply trust that an engine or mechanical system is probably fine ignores the very real mechanical issues commonly found accross vehicled of previous generations.
You could say don't worry as much about oil consumption on 18+ 5.0s but there are many other engine designs exhibiting problematic oil consumption from multiple manufacturers.
The auto manufacturers are already trying to restrict owners right to repair in order to maximize service revenue including the basic ability for owners to access OBD data for simple repairs. There is clearly pressure to do away with useful features like oil and transmission dipsticks which would then require an expensive trip to the dealer or independent shop for simple diagnostic. Redundancy is good when the primary system relies on cheap electrical sensors and connectors exposed to extreme temperatures over time. I for one will not take your advice and encourage others to verify specs and be proactive informed consumers/owners.
YOUNG female here with a 19' 5.0 and everything was fine until February. Truck started shutting off in traffic. Idling very weird. Jerking etc. Check engine came on. Computer said it needed a new solenoid. Changed that. Find out its 4qrts low on oil. Filled it back up. Drove smooth for about a week. Right back to the same results. A sip of oil here and there before I leave makes for a smoother ride. I have a service appointment scheduled. But the dealership is backed up. So I still have a full month left until I take it in.😢
Motorcraft solenoid?
On my 2018 5l I reduced oil consumption by switching from 5w20 to 5w30 oil.
The sprayed on plasma cylinder liners may have something to do with the oil consumption.
Stop checking your oil is the funniest thing I've ever heard b😂
I agree it’s the most basic thing you can do.
As a long time Ford truck owner I say this. Great information. What I found most interesting is your comment on oil volume range. 6 quarts minimum,,for regular operations. Could it be the “extra 3 quarts in the oil pan is to increase your oil change intervals? I check the oil on my 2019 (5L), every 1000 miles. After the reprogramming, I burn 1 quart in 3000 miles. Instead of adding, I change oil. Again that for the info, it really helps this 60 something driver.
ive seen old crown vics with 400k miles that don't burn anywhere near that much
I have a 2016 with the gen2 5.0L Coyote engine. It has over 100K miles and has never burned any oil. Ford increased the compression ratio from 10.5/1 to 12.0/1 when they went to the gen3 in 2018. What did they expect to happen? All that pressure blows oil right past the rings. Duhhh!
I’m going on engine number four on my 2018 f150 5.0 and the oil light doesn’t ever come on hell it never came on and I didn’t even have oil on my dipstick 😅 you are one funny guy.
So you had 3 engines lock up due to no oil?
Stop checking your oil, wait till the engine starts knocking. Then you have good reason to check your oil.
Knock knock...
I can't believe a mechanic is telling us to stop checking our oil. That just doesn't sound right. Out of sight, out of mind, I suppose? Any new engine that consumes a quart or more in 3k miles has a problem. My 2019 with 33k miles burns more than a quart every 3k, and yes, I have a catch can. It catches ounces. I'm assuming the rest is plugging up my engine and catalytic converter?? My 7.3 diesel with 400k doesn't even use that much oil.
AND...on a KNOWN oil using motor! I wouldnt trust SHIT this guy says would YOU?
Youre not a mechanic. Nobody cares who you listen to.
There is a huge problem with 5.0’s burning oil. Our company has large number of F1 50s 18 and up all burn oil. I’ve had to put up to 1 gallon one time on my valve started to rattle few of the guys have burn up their motors. Definitely check your oil guys.
Have you had the reprogramming done? When we reprogrammed the pcm, it has fixed 90% of the oil consumption problems.
I belong to several 18-21 f150 5.0 groups and very few have had the reprogramming tsb work. I didn't work on mine. I don't know where this 90% came from?
@@Jack-ox9iz Same. Did not fix the problem. I even capped the pcv nipple and ran valve cover breathers and still burning 1 qt/1,500 miles.
People have to realize these engines have extremely durable forged pistons in them and a side affect of that is using oil! Forged pistons have to be installed with alot looser tolerances as they expand alot when they heat up.Its the same deal with the 5.0 mustangs in the 80s/90s.They used forged pistons also and i bought one new in 86.It used a quart every 1500 miles but Ford had so many complaints about it that starting in late 92 they switched to cheaper hypereutectic pistons and had no more complaints but alot of people that supercharged there 5.0 after the switch smoked there engines not knowing they started putting cheaper parts in them.Its a trade off!
I have a 2018 5.0 without update and between oil changes I go through 5 gals + of oil. it is a huge issue. thinking of getting the update done. I put 2.5 quarts in this morning. wasn't even showing on the dipstick. telling everyone not to check their oil is nuts.
That’s what Ford’s quality control has come down to. Oil consumption is normal, just stop checking it. Hilarious. I had an F150 and Mustang in the early 2000’s with the 4.6 and that was an incredibly reliable engine, neither one ever burned a drop. Ford isn’t what it used to be.
2020 5.0 61k miles. Just changed oil after 4500 miles because my oil level was barely on the dipstick. Turns out it consumed 3.5 quarts in that 4500 miles. Don't check your oil? Ridiculous. BTW I already had the TSB done with the reprogramming thing.
putting 5 gallons of oil between oil changes is nuts! mine would use only about 3 quarts. between oil changes.
I’m under 65 and I check my oil periodically in all my cars. I have a 2019 Mustang GT with a 5.0. With the strut tower brace, it’s not the easiest to pull the dipstick and have the confidence that you are getting a good measurement.
Funny there was no mention of the PTWA cylinder walls.. (plasma transferred wire arc)
Oil consumption didn’t seem to be an issue on the gen 2 5.0’s.
I don’t think stopping checking your oil is the answer. Just because it holds 9 damn quarts doesn’t mean it should burn 3 in 3-4K miles.
The cylinder lining process caused the oil consumption issue 100%
The rule always was, it is acceptable to use 1 quart in 3000 miles. Any more than that , you have a problem. I own 3 fords and none of them burn oil.
Love the channel. I have a 2019 5.0 and it seems to be ok. But I do like having a mechanic that knows about my coyote. Thanks buddy. 😎
I work on a fleet of these trucks in the f150 and there are a handful of the 5.0L that inhale oil , guaranteed they are abused. The update helped some of them
Hello Mayson & ALL !! Thanks for the video on the " oil-burn / Oil-checking " ideas !! I am 71 & have always checked/oil in all my cars ( mostly on a weekly basis ). Consider this; Even though Ford " might " have designed the 5.0 to run on oil levels from 6qts to the full 9qts; those actual 3 quart-oil-volumes add to so much more
about support of the entire engine ( cooling, carbon-load of the oil, etc, etc ). Keep up the great-work on the videos !!! Tks Again, jeffrie / Camas, WA
You’re mostly correct. The tsb fixes the consumption problem AND the psychological problem. The new pcm strategy usually reduces the consumption to below 1 qt/3000 miles. The new dipstick increases the range between full and add to TWO quarts instead of the usual 1 qt range. So a person can go the customary 6000 miles between oil changes without having to add oil. That fixes the psychological problem. As a result, about 90+ % of the problems have been fixed with the tsb.
Typical Ford, don't do anything to fix issue but convinces the ignorant they have.
What does the PCM do to reduce vacuum under coast? Put the electronic-throttle wide open?
@@gregorymalchuk272 it says the purpose of the old dashpot on carburetors that delayed throttle closing. it’s simply cracked open the throttle slightly. Which slightly reduces vacuum when coasting. Excess vacuum can pull oil past the ring and valve seals . Older fuel injected cars simply kept the idle air control valve slightly open to accomplish the same job
Guess I’ll keep running my 2013 f 150 with the 5.0 it has 305 thousand miles and still does not use or burn any oil
If you put a UPR catch can on it, you would trap the oil 🛢 before it went in pcv and intake valves.
Ok I agree but with a new truck with less than 36,000 why should I have to do anything like a catch can. Then what do I do with the oil in the catch can? Just keep throwing it away?
@@fireriders8319 Even a car that's brand new with ZERO miles would benefit from an oil catch can. Like he said, it traps those oil vapors before being burned off inside the combustion chamber. Keeps the intake, valves, and pistons much cleaner. And you literally empty the can at every oil change, that is, if you even change your own oil.
Don't some of those catch cans dump back into the valve cover?
@@rosseowens yes they do
@@rosseowensdoesn’t that defeat the purpose of the catch can? Key word- “catch”
I have a 2019 5.0 F150 with 70000 miles on it. I don't check my oil and when my check engine light came on I went to youtube to see what was out there. The first video I saw said check your oil, which I did. The level didn't even register on the dipstick. I was close to needing an oil change so I put 4-5 quarts of oil in it to register to the bottom mark on the dipstick. The check engine light went off after a short trip to the store and then had my oil changed 2 days later. I would like to reduce oil consumption so I'm researching the issue. Nice video!
I’ve been running 5.0 motor’s between 2018-2020 needing cam phasers, my personal truck and some in our fleet. The phasers clack under load and sound like a 3.5 starting. One truck in our fleet is a 2020 5.0 with 34k miles and it burns 6 quarts of oil in a 3000 mile period, with no dash indicators regarding oil level or pressure. It will eventually misfire and run horribly. We explain to the driver to check and they refuse.
Really appreciate all the time you put into these videos and the information you supply us. Can you do some videos on becoming a certified mechanic explaining to young men the correct process and what you went through to become a certified mechanic. Could you go into detail on your Snap On tool cabinet and the tools and costs to get started. What is necessary and what’s not. You’re an inspiration to many people out here for your hard work and knowledge you bring to the profession and these videos. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work.
i would say that alot of todays engines have consumption issues is because of the low tension oil control rings.plain and simple
100%
I can agree with that and I'll also add that it may have something to do with the spray welded cylinders that started in 18 model year Sleeved cylinders in the 17 m.y.
RUclips Ford Boss Me has a video of a 5.0 that was still using oil after the reprogramming. They were waiting on a replacement engine and found it was nolonger made. There is LP version that he was able to get(block only). All parts could be swapped. He said they are now saying the process to harden the cylinder walls was bad. The LP engine is made different. My son-in-law had a 5.0, it was still using oil after the reprogramming. He traded it off.
The LP engine still has the plasma spray cylinder liner. Something with the valvetrain is a little beefier but the oil consumption issue can still happen in the LP engine. Either way you get a little more piece of mind having a better replacement option having the LP engine put in.
That's the problem with trading it back to the dealer. I bought a used 2019 ford f150 with 29k on dash and after a moth of owning it I went to add washer fluid and just checked the oil for shots and it was 2 qts low. Now I'm adding 1 qt every thousand miles. I took it to dealer and they did the dipstick tsb and still has the problem. How is it ok for ford to know of this problem and tell you to trade it in for a new one then resell it to someone like me has a gold certified truck. At these prices you shouldn't have to do anything but brakes and tires for the first 100k.
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Its extremely aggravating and some bs @@donaldbuscher4885
The new longer dipstick is Ford's way of saying we are topping up too often unnecessarily but without saying, yeah, we still think it's going to burn off a lot of oil regardless of their fix. I bet the majority of the oil is getting past the rings while it's warming up, and add some deceleration to your local stop signs etc to the condition.
I'm old school. I check my oil regularly. In my last oil change cycle, in 6100 miles, I had to add 6 quarts of full synthetic and it was at least a quart low when I changed it. That's unacceptable. Had I not checked and added it would have had about 2 quarts in the pan. My dealer said to bring it in and they.will diagnose and he said probably replace the engine. It currently only has 31k miles. My 02 Dodge 2500 v10 has 125k miles and uses about a quarter of a quart in 3k oil change cycle. My 01 jeep has 230k miles and uses about a quart in 3k miles.
When I talked to the dealer about the oil consumption, first thing he said....oh great, not another one. If they don't replace the engine I'm trading it in for a new Ram.
I don't believe vacuum is the problem, the first gen 5.0l in the trucks, atleast in my experience, have had zero oil consumption in 5k miles. And the one I have tows for an entire oil change without burning a drop. And the DSFO when engine braking generates so much vacuum it pegs out most vacuum gauges and still doesn't pull oil into the combustion chamber. It has to be an engineering flaw in the newer engines like lower tension piston rings or possibly micro porosity in the new plasma liners.
And in this day I don't believe oil consumption is normal for any engine, I've been around engines enough and built so many that a well built engine can run for atleast 150k without using oil.
A contributing factor is the thinner 20 weight oil so many vehicles “require”. Need to go back to 30 weights. The ever so slight fuel mileage difference would barely, if ever, be noticeable in real world driving.
To give advice to not check your oil is very dangerous territory to be in. You always need to be on top of all your fluid levels. Oil consumption can be just the beginning of an upcoming engine issue. Burning too much oil also shortens the life of your catalytic converter as there or more pollutants for it to break down. Not having dipsticks is also a very dangerous trend. We, the vehicle owners, need to be able to check fluid levels on our own without having to take them to a shop. There is no such thing as thing as a lifetime oil or any fluid. That is a major offender with tranny fluid. The manufactures want to sell vehicles and they can not sell as many if their vehicles last many 100’s of thousands of miles. Always keep a close check of your fluid levels, top off when needed, and change fluids often if you want a long lasting, hopefully problem free vehicle. Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
I just got the TSB 19-2365 done to my 2020 5.0 and I just hit 2,000 miles post TSB and my engine consumed about 1 quart. I’ve heard switching from 5w-20 to 5w-30 has helped some 5.0 owners so I’m considering to switch oil weights myself. What I really don’t understand is why my oil cap says 5w-20 but my owners Manual says to use 5w-30. I even asked the people at my local Ford dealership about that and they said just to use whatever the oil cap reads lol.
I switched to 5w-30 and it retained more oil and has down about a quart at 5k miles on the oil. I’ve heard some people go even thicker with 5w-50 so that might be an option if you’re in a warmer climate
I also thought the manual said 5W-30, however, the diagram and 5W-30 statement is from the previous engine, the 3.5 ecoboost. The page break makes it look like you are looking at 5.0 specs.
A thin 40 weight, like Mobil 1 0w-40 FS....is basically a 0w-35 oil and could be a great oil for 5.0's in the South. I had an Explorer 2.0 EB that loved the M1 0w-40, btw.
Yes your 2020 (same as mine) 5.0 calls for 5w-20. Ford switched back to 5w-30 for the 5.0 in 2021 (engine has cylinder deactivation). I believe the switch to 5w-20 was for fuel economy. No longer needed with cylinder deactivation in 2021, so back to 5w-30. I will be changing over to 5w-30 next oil change to see if it helps the oil consumption issue.
They've recommended a switch to 5w30
The reprogramming did help my 2018. It was using 2 quarts in 5000 miles. I change oil every 5000 miles. And yes, I check my oil at least once a week, after it sits for at least 30 min.
I figured that the extra oil capacity was to keep the oil temperatures down. These engines made their comeback in 2011, that’s the one I own. They have oil jets that spray up from the crankcase onto the bottom of the pistons. That helps keep combustion temperatures controlled and consistent. That extra volume helps dissipate that heat while going through the engine oil cooler.
If I remember right only the mustangs have the oil squirter‘s.
@@jwhmerica504 nope, the F150 has them too. Only real difference between the truck and the car engine is the exhaust manifolds, and the tune on the ecu. The truck is set up for more torque.
@@markk3652Not true the intake Is different and the compression ratio is lower.
@@marktarascio4766 splitting hairs here. Basic engine architecture is the same, you’re correct, I overlooked the intake and compression ratio. My point was more about the oil capacity and the reason for it.
Consuming 1/4-1 quart of oil over 4-5k miles is absolutely great. Some oil will get consumed past the piston rings and some through the PCV system but if your consuming 1.5-3 quarts over a 5k oil change interval I’d say it’s excessive
I have a 2018 5.0 F150 and after a 5 minute idle when I step on the gas, Oil smoke is completely billowing out of the exhaust pipe. I also have to add at least 6 quarts between oil changes. The mechanic installed a new dipstick per Ford's bulletin, which i now learned lowered the minimum level indicator line on the dipstick to attempt to hide the problem.
Mine doing the exact same thing 2018 5.0
Love the channel. But I like that there’s a technician that knows what’s best for my coyote! 🍻 cheers
Watched your whole video, and yes, I am 61 years old. Been driving Ford trucks for over 25 years. (Priors '77 Chev, 79 dodge (pre Ram), and 'S10.
Bought the '19 with 1700 miles.
Used the recommended 5-20 full synthetic. Didn't need to check oil because it didn't go through oil between changes.
Here is the issue:
Last fall, running poorly due to low oil.(advanced timing solenoids and oil change fixed this.)
That was 4500 miles ago. Issue has returned. Just checked oil level (against your advice). 2 quarts low.
Noticed that Ford now recommends 5-30 weight oil for the 5.0.
Put in 2 quarts of full synthetic 10-40. My guess is that Ford because of EPA was recommending a lighter oil than the engine was designed for originally.
Pretty sure this will correct the problem, but will post again if not
How has your ‘19 been doing? Just bought a ‘19 with 26k miles and this worries me because my dipstick level was pretty low so I’m trying to find the fix to all this.
EPA does not do oil weight recommendations. The 10/40 will look better on your gauge, but not in your engine. This isn't a "Fix."
As a ford owner I always check oil and fluid levels every month I still have my 66 GT 350 and disappointed in the new trucks burning oil, but am told Gas is dirty for the earth
I have a 2019 5.0 f150 with the 10 speed transmission. I think that the vacuum is also created when going down hill and the transmission down shifts. I started tapping the brakes before going down hill so the transmission doesn't down shift and noticed the consumption isn't nearly as much. I wanted the dealer to turn off the auto learn feature on the transmission but they wouldn't do it. I also try to check my oil once a week because if it were to blow I don't want my warranty to be void.
2 Things I did that may help, and it WASNT stop checking the oil...1. Install a new PCV valve, They're cheap may as well. 2. Go to 5W30 oil to possibly lessen the use.
Ran 5k miles on my 19 before I changed this morning. Only had 4.7 quarts left when drained. I contacted Ford today.
Exactly this!! 💯
It's now 20k since the dealership started the consumption test and is still going. I just dropped it off again. Thanks for the update. Don't buy F-150
Update* Ford installed a new engine due to excessive oil consumption. After 20k test after test. Finally.
I remember when I was younger, the owners manuals recommended checking the oil every fill up. An engine was not considered to be burning oil unless it was 1 qt per 500 miles. It was unusual for an engine to go between oil changes without using at least one qt of oil
Thank goodness those days are over!
I am using a crazy amount of oil. Between each oil change there is NOTHING on the dipstick.
@@fireriders8319 Did you have the TSB Performed yet? It has probably helped over 90% of the cars we performed it on and made it where the oil consumption had dropped to LESS THAN 1 qt/3,000 miles. In most cases they no longer have to add oil between oil changes. There were a FEW it didn’t fix. But not many.
Yes they did the TSB which involved the dipstick and reprograming the computer. What's funny is I've been in the automotive business for over 45 years so I marked my dipstick before I took it to Sayville Ford for the TSB. They said they changed it and did the drive computer reprogram. Lo and behold my engraved mark was right there on the dipstick. I have the frame for the sign completed and my friend is having the billboard made up to go on it. I will park this lemon pick up in front of every Ford dealer on Long Island before Christmas for sure.
Yeah, the roaring 20s was great.
I check my oil every time I fuel up. 36 gallon tank so every 800 miles or so. I kind of thought this was a normal procedure for people who care about their vehicles? Didn't realize I was in the 1%-5% who actually does this. I would add that I don't necessarily check my oil to see what the level is, but to get a general trend for how much I'm burning/using over a known period of time. This is mechanic 101 stuff here. If I'm regularly burning 1qt every 10,000 miles (2018 F150 5.0 with 90k miles), then all of a sudden it changes, I know something is up. This is a great way to diagnose and fix a problem before it requires an entire engine replacement, especially when you are out of warranty...
The last thing we need to be telling people is to not check their oil.
I'm also a previous owner of a Subaru STI, where if the oil light came on you have already destroyed your engine. YMMV.
Monitor your fluid levels guys, it's literally just common sense.
I check my oil levels because of the random timing chain rattle that happens when level is low. Recently changed the MAP sensor and it was soaked in oil. Keep in mind I run an oil catch can.
I'm an old guy who checks oil. I agree with you, my 2019 5.0 burns it but I do not see any issues that would cause concern. No smoke, no drips, no thrown rod, and plugs are fine. Send it!
I have a 2022 F-150 with a 5.0. I tuned it to turn off cylinder dedication. I have driven my truck all up and down the east coast. It has been from Tampa, Fl all the way to NYC. I live in VA and plan to drive it to Canada next year. It's never let me down
Most people Aren't reporting the oil leak issues that's why only 20 or so Have showed up with bad oil consumption issue lots of people See the oil consumption issue and Don't Trust the dealer or a Mechanic to fix it because it's been going on For years back to the 14 year models also
I cured my oil consumption in my 2019 F150 5.0!
I sold it!
Done with Ford!!
What a joke new vehicles are.
I think there is a point of over consumption...but i agree with not checking your oil i change mine on the regular (5000km im Canadian) sometimes if i just cant get to it i run it to 8000km which is what i was writing on window stickers at the dealer...either way ive never added oil just change and go...if i suspect an issue ill check it to see whats going on...if i think it's excessive ill look for where it may be going (valve stem seals, piston rings, leaks)... anyway not everyone is going to agree with this video but it doesn't matter i don't see anyone else coming up with solutions...im 50/50 on this video tho but kudos for putting it out there
Thanks for the video. My 2018 just went into "limp mode". I didnt even know that was a thing. Im driving doen a 2 lane back road and alarm after alarm went off. Truck immediately lost power. No gas what so ever. Luckiky it did this after i made it to the top of the hill and i coasted around a curve to a church parking lot. I turned tge truck off, waited a few minutes, and then restarted just fine. Started doing some Google searching and found out low oil could cause it. Went directly to get oil change. 3 quarts low. Tgats when i found out about limp mode. Very thankful for that design. Again, thanks for the video. Puts my mind at ease knowing that the oil IS going somewhere. Had me baffled for a bit.
Great video. Just want to give you an update. This engine issue happened with old models. I'm a 2016 owner. Catch can is extremely helpful.
My neighbor called me yesterday and asked for me to look at his 2019 5.0 Lariat with 65K miles because of a rattle type noise he heard on a cold start. He had no knowledge of the oil consumption issue, so I checked his oil and found that it wasn't even touching the dipstick. After adding 5.5 QTS of oil, we finally made it into the acceptable range on the dipstick. I suspect the noise he heard was the cam phasers being dry on a cold start due to such a low level. The truck had no DTC's or check engine light for low oil level. A truck with only 65K miles should not be using that much oil, and I don't believe an updated programming will slow it enough to justify keeping it. I told him that Ford doesn't have an updated cylinder block design without the plasma transfer lining, and urged him to trade it in while it still has good trade value.
Have a 2020 5.0 f150 put in an oil catch can and has helped. Never had this problem with this truck but knew of this and installed catch can to help.
You are an awesome young man that takes thing to the basics and don’t overcompensate or over complicate things. I wish I could bring my 2019 ford f150 to you..: it was first a rattle “for the “heat shield” nope! lol they are now checking to find were it’s burning oil and I’m going to share this video maybe the young techs that look like my middle school son I’ll add could take this advice though. Thank you very much!!! I’ll let you and the viewers know if they get to the bottom of it
Once a week at a minimum are my vehicles oil checked. When we go out on a drive I check it. Granted i have a 13 f150 and stand on my frame in front of radiator to check it. My wife gets so frustrated cause she wants to go and I'm checking ool
I have a 2019 F150 with the 5L V8 and have had many oil consumption problems. Two times it was in to be reprogrammed to fix the excessive oil consumption (1 quart every 1,000 or so miles). I now have it in the they said the sulfur content in fuel breaks down the cylinder wall coating. The fix this time is to have a brand new engine put in, luckily I have an extended warranty on the powertrain. The problem is the Ford service at the dealership said it took 8 to 9 months to fix the last truck they had in for the same problem. Obviously I am not happy about having to wait. Not sure if anyone else has a similar situation or have experienced that long of a wait.
I have a 2018 5.0… went thru 2 milage tests after 10k miles. Problem was fixed by changing to 5-30 from 5-20 oil… problem resolved. I also installed a Ford Performance oil separator with in 1 week of new.
My 2019 F150 5.0 is now currently at the dealer. 25k miles on the truck.
Aside from now needing VCT solenoids my trucks burns 1 quart every 2k miles. That is extremely excessive in my opinion. Thanks for the info on the bulletin. I'm passing the info along.
Use 5w30 as Ford now recommends, just about to purchase a 22 XLT with 8,569 miles, 1st thing I'm gonna do is change the oil & use 5w30
lmmfao i hear yah i was a gm tech for years and i saw the same thing just not as crucial .but in my opinion most social media experts do really have a life they just love to complain about something .especially if they don't know what there talking about .it is a proven theory if you remove so much oil from an engine it will make more horsepower on a Dyno do to less oil slap .these engines today burn oil even ls engines but like you said do your maintenance and you wont ever see an issue or think you even have an issue .those who don't do there maintenance blow up there engines then want to blame someone else .that's how simple it actually is
My 2018 5.0 is burning about 1 quart every 1k miles so I’ve been checking every fuel up or two
Quote " A thousand miles and the oil wouldnt be touching the dip stick."
"After a couple thousand miles it would be 2-3 quarts of oil low"
Ford TSB states oil consumption at a quart of oil every 3000 miles is normal, but the above comments would imply the oil consumption for many is well above normal. The mechanic would imply this isnt an issue because more owners dont complain, but if they checked their engines oil consumption they probably would. Clearly there IS a problem , but the average person dont know it. Ok , so whats the fix? This mechanics opinion is to "Stop Checking Your Oil." Thats correct, just ignore it until you have engine knock or warning lights. I suppose with an 8qt capacity you could burn a good bit of oil and still retain enough to keep your engine lubricated. Simple math would share a quart every 1500 miles would have you 5 quarts down from your 8 quart capacity between oil change intervals. If you dont care about oil consumption, you may wish to take a look at the cost to replace your catalytic converters as this bathing in oil can definitely shorten its life. I wouldnt ignore a loss of coolant , leaky roof or window, loss of air pressure in my tires, loss of transmission fluid, loss of power steering fluid or any other issue and the idea of "Stop checking and you wont know there is a problem" is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. Considering the cost of a Ford F150, owners deserve a reliable engine which uses very little oil between changes.
I had this in my 2018 f150 5.0. I drove from NY to WA this summer. I had the oil changed right before I left. I had about a week of continuous driving. When I got to the WA border I noticed a rough idle and performance issues. The check engine light came on with misfire codes. Took it into Ford and they performed the dipstick and reprogramming TSP. Lower oil levels caused too much vacuum. The engine stopped having issues but noticed it wasnt idling as smooth. Pulled the spark plugs and they seemed to have allot of burnt oil on them.
I think you might have a different perspective if you owned one. While a lower oil quantity may be ok for the engine., what does the ingested oil due to the engine long term? I change my own oil at 50% oil life which is around 4000 miles. I am down at least 2 quarts including the filter oil. I use Pennzoil ultra full synthetic. I am only 55 and still check the oil about every 1000 miles or less when towing. Thanks for the update.
What's it doing to your Cat and muffler?
I installed an oil catch can at about 25000 miles to help with that very issue. Time will tell?@@fireriders8319
I have a 2018 Platinum - It drinks oil and I do check it quite often. The 3K miles is a joke. Seems like it consumes more oil under a load. So it varies. I checked it before pulling my boat and it was full. Went on a weekend trip with the boat and came back 4 quarts low. Lucky that a check engine light came on to let me know something wasn't right. The 5w 20 synthetic is way too thin (like water). Thats why I think it burns so quickly. Looking for a thicker or better oil to put in.
Ford now uses & recommends 5w30 for all 4th Gen 5.0 F-150's
Also, my 2011 5.0 mustang has 145K and never burned a drop of oil with 7500 mile synthetic blend oil changes at the dealer and redline shifts almost every day. The truck was babied in that I still have 88K on the front brakes! The 2018 5.0 has issues either direct injection or the spray on liner of the pistons but my compression checked out fine only the heads were replaced.
Hey brother, I have a 2012 f150 with the 5.0 and I’ve recently been seeing a few things about exhaust valves getting too hot on cylinders 4 and 8, causing them to wear down, recess, and tulip. Is this something that happens often or should I just forget about it?
Interesting opinion. I could understand a truck with 150-200k burning some oil, but any decent modern engine under 100k shouldn’t burn a quart of oil in an oil change interval. Why doesn’t the last gen coyote have this issue? Sleeve vs coating.
I’m definitely guilty of not checking my oil. Every oil change my 3.5 drops 6 quarts and no leaks. Until either of those change I’m not too worried.
You should be worried more about a low coolant reservoir indicating turbo leaks, and also clacking that indicates cam phaser issues. Those 3.5s have made a lot of techs a lot of money.
@@anthonybutterbaugh4252 that’s what ford extra care is for.
@@ef6250 that’s exactly why shops are losing customers by the tens of thousands though!
All new trucks from all manufacturers burn oil. Thanks to the positive crankcase ventilation… GM also has a similar specification for oil consumption per xxxx miles / kilometres. Let’s just be thankful that ford didn’t put in cylinder deactivation like the rest of the OEMs. Ford has “ phaser “ problems …. Yea well Ram and GM have camshaft and lifter problems constantly lol
I totally get what your saying on this oil thing, that being said i still believe it is a good idea to check your oil, which is like the heart of the engine, because you might have those normal everyday things going on and one of them might be excessive and thak it down below that threshold that it was designed to. It may not do anything that time but a continuous scenario like that every time it gets changed, may cause long term issues. Most dont keep track of fuel mileage either but i do and can tell you in my log every time i had a problem with the vehicle. Another example my dad had his transmission serviced at the dealership the last time it was done. He went to change it himself this time becuase he started having slipping issues, no leaks or anything on this truck and low miles but that transmission was definitely 3 quarts low and becuase he never checked the transmission fluid he did not find out until it was a problem
I have a 19' 5.0, about 100k on it and got the truck tuned around 20k so i never bothered to take it in for the TSB.
My opinion, these are very high performance engines. 12:1 compression, 400+ hp 5.0L engine naturally aspirated. In the world of racing, if you built hot rod motor with these same specs, no one be bothered by the oil consumption. Ford built a reliable, mass production hot rod engine. Like he said this just a characteristic of the 5.0, pros and cons to high performance engines, and thats all it really is.
Mine only uses a half-quart every 3000 miles at the most. You really do have to get it to temp, shut it off and wait 45 minutes or you'll never get a consistent reading on the stick.
I think a contributing factor is the trucks probably run higher oil temperatures than the Mustangs to get the oil thinner for better fuel economy. I know I catch more trash-oil in my truck's PCV catch can than I did in any of my Mustangs, which I think has to do with higher temps creating more vapor in the crankcase. I'd also be curious if the piston ring packs are lesser friction between the truck and Mustang 5.0 to help with MPGs. IDK though.
It's not a big deal for me, I just keep an eye on it.
My 2019 GT recommended oil viscosity is 0w-20. They say to use 5w-30 for tack use and to switch it back to 0w-20 afterwards. So let’s see, buy 10 qtrs of synthetic 5w-30 then replace it with ten quarts of 0w-20. Yeah nope. I can’t track mine because there are no tracks near me and it’s a vert.
If it wasn't an issue Ford wouldn't be handing out replacement engines and they wouldn't have discontinued the gen 3 5.0. This is a major issue. It is also much larger than you are making it out to be. When you burn so much oil that you can hear your timing chains flopping around and you get P0390/P0394 codes, that is a problem. I have a 2014 5.0 that doesn't use a drop. I hope you get your clicks and comments.
This!
Stop checking the oil? Are you kidding me. I bet if I brought a 5.0 in for service with an engine problem and only had 3 quarts of oil in it, they would void the warranty and tell me it was my fault for not keeping the oil level up to manufacturers specifications.
I haven’t had an oil consumption issue on my 2019 F-150 Roush with the 5.0L. I have a JLT oil catch can to catch any oil coming up through the PCV valve just in case, though. But, even with the catch can, it doesn’t catch too much oil coming up through the PCV valve.
Fix: "stop checking your oil" 😂😂. I might just buy one of these based on this... Love it
Mayson, I have been following you for some time now. You are informative, hilarious and entertaining. I think you are way off base on this one. Granted this post has been up for a while. I have been watching you on Facebook and just found your RUclips Channel. That said...as others in the thread have said....we were taught to always check oil levels in vehicles (including power equipment). It is poor engineering to have a Newish (2020 King Ranch purchased in 2021 as a CPO vehicle now with 44,000 miles) truck that burns 5 quarts of oil between changes. Mine has been through the TSB process one time just after we got it and it helped until a recent issue with water intrusion into the pre-collision sensor from a leaking weld seam in the roof resulted in another reprogramming of the PCM. Now it is burning oil again. This is getting old. This after a near life threatening issue with a 2013 EcoBoost going into Limp Mode on full boost in Atlanta traffic. I'm beginning to think maybe something other than Ford next time....which pains me greatly.
I have a 2018 F150 with a 5.0 Coyote and I recently took it for service at a Ford dealership. When I went back to pick it up the guy says your oil was low. I said I don't touch the oil, I leave that for you. It doesn't smoke, doesn't leak, nor can I smell the oil getting burned up, and the oil pressure is always good but something is definately happening to it. I drove it about 1500 miles since that change and had to add a quart of oil to it. These issues should be told to people at the dealership to vehicle owners so they can monitor it. I will always check it now since this has happened to me.
I have a new 2023 5.0 reg. cab short bed. It has 5300 miles +/- a few. In that time, at 3000 times I started hearing a ticking around the 2000 rpm mark around 3000 miles. I checked the oil and it was low. I ended up adding 1 quart and that put it in the middle for the acceptable range. But now here I am at 5000 plus miles with the truck saying 30% oil life left and the truck started ticking again. I checked the oil and can't get a clear reading EVEN after sitting for 2 days. So I changed the oil and filter (motorcraft). After adding 7.75 quarts, started until and idled until oil pressure came up, turned it off. Pulled the stick and let it sit for a few. Checked it again and the oil level was spot on full. What I came to was they oil level was so low that it barley registered on the stick. That would put it at 2 or more quarts low. So in total it's burned 3 plus quarts of oil in under 5500 miles. This is unacceptable. Lucky for me I have two trucks so I'll drive my 2013 Chevy Reg cab short bed 5.3 with 188k miles and doesn't burn any oil. To say not to check oil is crazy. If you hear ticking, check your oil. If it's burning a quart every few thousand miles, take it in. It's not suppose to.
Pcm reprogram is probably just opening throttle body on engine deceleration. Less engine braking. The oil sender replacement is gunna turn on the low oil lamp when it's 2 quarts low, not 1 quart low. Ford masking a problem to get them out of the warranty period.
What are your thoughts on oil catch cans on the 5.0?
I'm 48 years old and I have owned nothing but Ford my whole life. I have worked on and Hot Rodded too many to count. I have never had any of them use oil.
I currently manage a Quick Lube. We service about 30 to 40 cars a day. The only cars we consistently see low on oil between changes are Kia's, Hyundai's, and GM vehicles with LS engines... They are all one to two quarts short at every single oil change even when new... In the last year I have had one solitary 5.0 come in with oil consumption issues... That's it.
Oh and I check my oil at least weekly
I don’t agree with you on this one. Designed to burn oil??? It sounds like an excuse to a poor design/ avoiding warranty $. This isn't an old rotary engine. I had a 1999 Navigator 5.4 32valve 175,000 miles with no measurable oil loss. My 2020 F150 5.0 with 70k miles burns 1 qt every 1,500 miles. Mine has had the oil loss TSB completed at 40k miles. I capped the pcv nipples and put valve cover breathers on to see if oil was being sucked into the intake. No change in oil consumption. Still losing 1qt/1,500 miles so you tell me where the oil is going? I will be switching to 5w30 next to see if it helps. I believe it is 100% the cylinder coating and low friction rings in fords attempt to increase mpg to meet EPA standards. Not to mention the 5w-20 engine oil. Miraculously, when cylinder deactivation came out in 21’, spec went back to 5w-30. Hmmm…. And the switch from 75w-140 to 75w-85 in the differentials. Edit: still burning 1 qt/1500mi on 5w30
Catch can
I dont know about other guys that has the roush performance level pac 2 installed, but mine after the roush kit solved this issue, drove from alberta to new-brunswick towing a 20ft loaded enclosed trailer, did not burnt a drop since!!!
I really hope that you are wrong about the dipsticks going away!
I really hate the fact that Ford took away the dipstick from the transmission. (At least the conventional dipstick tube)
You might want to check your oil. The way I learned of this issue was when my truck started running rough and gave me a crank position sensor fault code. Had the oil changed and the fault went away. I now have my oil checked twice between changes and it’s always a quart low. The place that charges my oil does the top off for free.
Running 5w50 Motorcraft on my FBO 5.0 truck. No tick, no smoke no nothing 👍
I check my oil every Saturday and change it every other week
Since I manage a oil shop
Mine does blow blue smoke after it warms up on idle
Or sometimes at a red light leaves a little cloud of blue smoke
Even with catch can
I have a 2014 150 with the 3.7 with 150,000 miles and it doesn't use a drop between oil changes every 5,000 miles. I check it regularly anyway. It's just the right thing to do.