The Biggest Problem in Cleveland is Not What You Think It Is
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Discussing the uncertain future of the Cleveland Cavaliers and what’s next for them this offseason (*editing credit: Alon Ginz)
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3 Steps to Fixing the Cavs:
1. Fire JB Bickerstaff
2. Re-sign Spida long term if he wants
3a (if Spida re-signs). Trade both Garland and Allen for guys who fit better with Spida and Mobley
3b (if Spida doesn't). Trade Spida for depth and some picks, the Brooklyn Nets or Miami Heat seem like the two best choices
It’s crazy how people say they don’t play team ball with Mitchell but without garland and Mitchell at PG they played great team ball and went on a insane winning streak
Mitch has a tendency to play hero ball, but it's because the rest of the team can't live up. Time and time again, when it's garland or Mobley that needs to step up, they seem to falter. Mitch is more willing to fail.
@@thankyoujodi exactly Mitchell needs someone he can trust he has no problem sharing the ball in situations
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The problem with cavs is Darius garland making 200m to be a role player you cant pay a guy 200m to be the worst Inuit off the core 4 but make the most money if trade garland for role players
Yeah. You can't be the worst Inuit. You can get away with being the worst Blackfoot, but a mediocre Inuit is aski g for trouble.
I like the new editing style
The Cavs current problem is roster construction. DG & DM and Allen & Mobley are redundant players. Mitchell & Mobley are by far the best players on the team. IF they get Mitchell to extend, they will trade both Garland & Allen to balance out the roster. They'd be looking for off-ball players at SG, SF & C and can easily flip Allen & Garland for those kind of players. They'd be looking for guys like Mikal Bridges and Myles Truner-type of players. This would make the team night & day better.
Oh man, garland for bridges would be awesome.
Or just stagger allen mobley minutes. Allen at 20 mil per years well worth it imo.Unless some crazy offer pops up
Their owner doesn't care about going over the cap so they don't have to worry about that unlike the Bulls
They needed to stagger their bigs is what their issue was, but they have the pieces and picks to make the needed adjustments. Mobley is right on the cusp of blowing up and this team will get better, much better. Their future is bright
They have 2 similar guards starting in the Backcourt (6'1 who need the ball to be effective) and 2 similar bigs in the Frontcourt (both cant really shoot and play best at the 5). Thats not a recipe to get "much better". IF Mitchell signs an extension, they should try to get some solid wings, a backup PG and a stretch big for Garland/Allen. Maybe Anthony/Isaac + 2 1st for Garland from Orlando, or Williams Jr/Aldama + picks from Memphis... something like that. Just for the fun of it, this would be the roster:
Mitchell/Okoro/Struss/Isaac/Mobley - Anthony/LeVert/Williams Jr/Wade/Aldama/MLE Center
So retool, take a small step back, but form a team that fits around Mitchell and Mobley and has real upside. If Mitchell doesnt want to sign an extension, trade him for similar pieces. For example, same trade with Orlando, but Suggs instead of Anthony.
@Smido83 if there's not a sweeping change, this team will fail again.
Cavs has to try their best re-signing Spida and Resign Mobley. Garland and Allen has to go
Allen is much better than Mobley, Mobley just gets bullied by people half his size 😂😂😂 Garland gotta go not Allen, Allen is an awesome player, they should prioritize signing him and Spida
It's crazy to think that everybody once viewed this Cavs team as the next team up because they literally almost had a lineup full of young Allstars, albeit first timers. The future was extremely bright for Cleveland, but now their future is on a pedestal on the verge of collapsing into the deep, dark abyss of irrelevancy smh
Not sure you know how pace works. The Cavs having a low pace does not mean their opponents (who might have on average a higher pace) get more shots per game... The pace is allways the same in any game for both teams. It means their opponents have to play a lower pace if playing against the Cavs. Or the Cavs have to play a higher pace, depending on who dominates the game.
But I also think is was an overpay to trade for Mitchell. They wanted to much to fast and it hindered the development of Garland. They shouldve tryed to go after a solid 2 way wing like Bridges or OG for Allen. Think of a Garland/Levert/Bridges/Markkanen/Mobley starting 5... And they would still have some picks left right now to maybe upgrade the SG position (neither Levert or Okoro are sure fire starters in my opinion).
The Allen hate from some people is wild...you guys have never seen a Jarrett Allen statline 😂😂😂
Garland kinda proved he’s an everyday player but not a playoff player. Lacking things.
Garland And Allen gotta be the odd men out , gotta trade 2 of the core 4 And Mitchell and Mobley have the most skill out of those 4 get Ingram kuzma or bridges for garland this team will be a contender
Hell no that's not a contending team 😂
@@EDTheOneable yes it is
@@EDTheOneable Dononvan Mobley Kuzma better fit
@@jadenuniverse9541 not nearly enough talent.. That team is still getting smoked by a healthy Knicks, Celtics, or even Sixers team.. Wake up bro lmao
@@EDTheOneable if Mobley take another step And kuzma can fill that borderline all star wing scoring role I think you can beat those teams healthy if Donovan plays like his mvp self
zero chance that Donovan Mitchell wants to stay in Cleveland long term
As a Clipper fan who believes they need to blow it up. Here's an idea. Kawhi Leonard to the Cavs for Darius Garland, Max Strus, and two first round picks.
Mitchell is a great player but the Cavs still need better players around him.
It’s always been Garland. He’s mid at best
The Cavs needs to resign Mitchell, trade Darius and maybe even Jarrett (I would Jarrett since he’s not gonna improve anymore like Mobley will and I feel we need a center or a PF that’s as good or almost as good as Allen that can space the floor. So trading Allen, a role player like Niang, and maybe a 2nd for Curso and Vuc could be fire). I would trade Darius for either B.I, Middleton (very unlikely it since Dame ain’t leaving the one), DeRozan (Cavs if don’t already do a trade with the Bulls then trading for DeRozan could work), or Randle (Cavs would also get a first as well).
However, idk about firing J.B since look at the Bucks bc firing clearly didn’t really help them unless we can get Budenhozer, I don’t think it’s the best plan to fire him.
Lastly, Mobley needs to develop a better shot bc the Cavs need to space the floor better, etc.
They messed up this trade so badly. That roster limited. If not for Orlando being an inexperienced playoff team they would’ve sent them home. They were lucky because I don’t think any of the Magic starters had playoff experience and still pushed them to seven games.
To be fair tho I think they would’ve went to 7 with Boston if healthy it not as bad as people make it seem tbh
Orlando really exposed us, but I still think we could've beaten Boston with better coaching.
The problem is Boston is just stronger than them.. But I still believe this core can still get far than what they achieve this year.. They just need a glue guy in the team like the value of Aaron Gordon in Denver or Draymond in the Golden state.. Donovan is still the man in this team.. He delivers but he can't carry them every game he needs someone that will help him to carry the load in offense..
Stronger? I think they are just older more experienced players
Agree. He's needs help. The supporting cast is far too inconsistent, but that's partially due to the coaching.
This team was much better with Allen on the court, by far. Say he is soft, fine. It is extremely disappointing he didnt get a cortisone shot and try to play. Really disappointing.
They should ve kept Markkanen!
IDK if this is a hot take or not but I don't see D Mitch as the #1 option on a championship team, he's just not that guy in my opinion. I don't see the cavs getting further than the 2nd round with him as the #1 guy
Most would consider it a hot take, but I agree with you actually
I understand why but to be fair he’s never had an actual championship team no other consistent scorer no elite wing no good bench i think he can be a 1B on a championship team
I think the idea is for Mobley to develop into a 1
@@uncleshannon1756 that's a fair point. It's more of an eye test thing for me. It's something about his play style and attitude for me. He's an average efficiency scorer, who can play make but not extremely well....and he just doesn't seem like he has that dog in him....like Brunson. Brunson has winner written all over him by how he plays....Luka the same way....D Mitch just doesn't seem like that type of guy
@@strivinghigher7005 understandable hes playing the wrong position imo because if you look at when he plays full time PG he’s way more efficient and pass first more he looks like a totally different player but he has that dog in him he just needs a little help can’t win with garland as your second option lol
I'm so disappointed in that Jarrett Allen I do not want him on the Cavaliers team he is way too soft I would have took three shots before I sat there and watched my team lose like that in the finals that's crazy that is ridiculous . He sat there emotionless he didn't even cheer
Peak of his prome
allen gotta go he's either injured or doesn't show up in the playoffs
He played great in the playoff games he was in this year and played almost every reg season game.He ist injured all the time...sheesh
I think garland might fetch more just due to him being locked up and being younger. Mitch has shown he can win games solo, if not drop 50 in a losing effort. The issue is the coaching, offensively. It's too predictable and predicated on solo type ball. It's disgusting. Defense is out of sorts too often. Allen and levert - not to mention niang and okoro - should all be on the table. The fact is the trade has been made and those picks are gone. We could've beat Boston, even with the health issues, so we're not that far off. Altman deserves scrutiny as well. Ty Jerome and Damion Jones were waste of roster space. Niang was mostly ineffective. JB didn't wanna play porter, who was a pleasant surprise. So that limited our ball handling and distribution. Just a disappointing end to the season, and frustrating predicament, particularly if you believe the article detailing supposed dysfunction.
Allen is under contract for the next two seasons. He will be an UFA after 2025-26.
Overpay Mobley is crazy he’s better then JA 😂😂😂 can’t win with 2 non shooting bigs and 2 small guards and DG is making a max he’s problem
How does a player emphatically saying he's been happy in Cleveland THE WHOLE TIME lead you to the conclusion he wants out as soon as possible!?
I think the biggest reason the media spins it that way is because he wanted to go to NY when he was trade rumors back in Utah
@@And.One.Hoops1 Maybe I misunderstood your video. I thought you were saying the Cavs should trade Mitchell and that his public record of being happy in CLE the last few days means nothing. My bad.
Most players say that. Kyrie said he would love to re-sign in Boston. Fast forward to his free agency he left for Brooklyn. Lebron was literally born in Cleveland and never said anything bad about Cleveland but left for Miami. Gordon Hayward said all the right things and so did Lillard. Brunson never really said anything bad about Dallas. If you are Cleveland front office you can’t operate under the assumption he’ll re-sign in free agency next summer. If he doesn’t extend this summer I would trade him. I don’t care how happy he claims he is.
@@liferealgoodLeBron was born in Akron, not Cleveland. Brunson left Dalls because the front office wouldn't pay him. Dame asked to be traded when there were really no better options.
i hate when people say players want to be in a big market team, players make there team a big market., when lebron was at the cavs in 2015 the cavs was probably the biggest market, look what Anthony edwards is doing with the timberwolves
They're mid market but operate mostly as a small market, in the sense that nobody wants to go there, even with LeBron.
That background noise is annoying af
I think the problem is that NBA culture is addicted to setting these low cielings on teams
It’s part of it, I agree
Mark Jackson as head coach ...fire Luke Walton and bring back MARKENNAN...somehow...and K Love as backup big...bring up Emoni Bates...get Bronny James as 3rd backup pg...have Lebron take a hometown discount and come back to Cleveland to retire...sign Facu Compazzo as 2nd backup pg...Get rid of Tristan Thompson...trade Caris Levert and maybe Darius Garland ...if you can get Mykal Bridges....cut Niang to make space for Emoni Bates....keep Struss...high IQ player...and lastly draft ...Dalton Kchnect ...or ...that one shooter...Reed Sheppard.....thats what i would do...if i was GM of the CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!!!!....seriously...and i wont even get STARTED on the CLEVELAND BROWNS....oh and i almost forgot...bring LUKE TRAVERS to our gleague team....hes a 6ft 8 pg....same height as shai gilgeous alexander
The coach is a problem. He hasn’t developed any of the young talent like Mobley. Donovan Mitchell isn’t a number one option either people need to realize an undersized iso guard isn’t going to win them a chip.
I do think Bickerstaff will likely be fired. It's surprising how little Mobley has progressed as a player from his rookie season
I don´t think Mobley has that much upside anymore. The roster is limited to Mitchell´s performance and I believe they peaked this season.
@@Goxilla nah you trippen when garland and mobley were out Mitchell raised this team ceiling with his leadership and playmaking Garland and Mobley are just to redundant on top of Mitchell And Allen
@@jadenuniverse9541 and how does your comment fit to what I have written?
@@Goxilla because you said roster is limited to Mitchell performance that’s false cause when he’s the one running the show players play faster and more free garland dribbles the shot clock out for 10 secs while Mitchell is a threat soon as he crosses half court he can beat you with scoring or passing All night when his volume is turned up in saying he’s not as predictable as garland most time
Lebron hate so crazy that his city can’t even get credit for being good with him on the team
Folks that use players money value as a reason to get rid of players are not even basketballl fans... They are just a part of the stats culture.... With that said, it's asinine to want to get rid of a 24 yr old player that averaged 15+ pts & 5+ asts a game playing out of position... Garland did not regress... It's clear he's better as the point guard... He's not his best playing off guard as a shooter... That's not his style or game & he still gave you those averages... He's not a bucket getter like Mitchell... Garland regressed to fit in around Mitchell... He's not the problem more so than Strus & Okoro not averaging @least 10 pts a game... Niang being non existent, Porter Jr & Wade being injured... Then you had Allen hurt in the playoffs... Gatland is not the problem... His pick & roll game & ability to shoot off those plays will always be his skillset... Mitchell only looks good doing it cause he got the body & skill to finish or dish... But he don't run the point guard better than Garland, period...💯💯💯
Who cares about the #20 pick? Cavs shouldn't be in the lottery any time soon...
cavs gotta trade mitchell they can get a lot for him
Just,getting started
WHO HAVE HAD MORE SUCCESS IN THE PAST 20 years CLEVELAND OR BOSTON
This video is large market propaganda. Cavs are going to re-sign Mitchell, then trade Garland. There are a few teams that will have interest in him... We'll be a top 3 seed next year.
Lebron to Cleveland would be a good move if he wasn't going to stay in L.A. They are young and so he could get enough rest in the regular season if they got a few more talented young pieces.
You are not be honest.
Every Saying Trade Garland Don’t Know Basketball. Cavs Need To Trade Allen Put Mobley At The 5 permanently!
People like to bring up when Garland was out Donovan Mitchell flourished, but they forget Evan Moby was out as well, so no too big man who can’t shoot clogging up the paint
People fail to realize there is Garland played on a team with three big men and steel flourished. The coach is trash.
Thank you people forget that we was the 2nd team for half of the season before DM came. Then injuries happened and we fell off a cliff and ended up in the play in