The Politics of Dune Explained In FIVE Minutes
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It’s also of note that this whole transfer of who controls Dune was a play from the Emperor to weaken BOTH houses. The Baron had to spend considerable funds and lives to retake the planet.
Yup! That's why I can't wait for part 2 of Dune. I want to see the Baron quake in his suspensors before the emperor's humble court noble
Yup, there are three basic types of power in this universe. Economic, military and political. The Atreides had a lot of political and military power, the Harkonnens had a lot of economic power. The Emporer was able to get the Harkonnens to wipe out the Atreides (almost), in a way that diminished most of their economic power.
@@chrisdoe2659 two birds with one stone
Whoa.. that just blew my mind. REALLY puts the movie into another perspective and adds such depth to the political landscape.
@@chrisdoe2659 Plans within plans ...
Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and Jeff Bezos all fight over an entire planet of Cocaine. Got it.
Ass poop. Got it.
lol
The entire video summarized in one simple sentence. I love it.
And Amber Heard with Elon Musk's frozen embryos is the beginning of bene gesserit
More like Oil-Cocaine, to be more accurate
Another thing that should be mentioned about spice is that it is literally what makes space travel possible for the Empire. The navigators from the Spacing Guild are heavily mutated humans that are have the ability to set courses to other planets and see the potential hazards for the voyage. They’ve gotten all of this power and mutations from spice. Without the flow of spice, there would be no traveling from planet to planet.
dune is all about space crack
It would actually… in theory.
I don’t know if the holtzmann engines run on spice, need spice to function or if only a navigator can operate them, but assuming the navigator only points the way, you could technically just yolo it and run in blind without guidance accepting the fact you most probably won’t make it to the finish line.
@@Ballin4VengeanceOnly the Navigators need spice to see a safe page, the engines are all tech. In the prequel novels they did that during the AI war to win, use Holtzman engines in a blind jump. The attrition rate was about 10%per jump.
Reminds me of the movie fantastic planet
You definitely commented that before watching the video
I love the "We exist only to serve" mission statement of the Bene Gesserit, sums up the duplicity and mistruth of politics and organized religion.
The duplicity and mistruths found in SOME politics and organized religion. We ought to be careful with blanket statements put forth as all-encompassing fact.
The movie blew me away, and you've been the perfect guide to finally getting into the series
Very well done. I really hope the Prequel Series will show in full detail how powerful the Bene Gesserit are and how the Imperium wouldn't exist without them. Loved the point of how the Baron Harkonen and Duke Leto are products of the cross breeding program of the Bene Gesserit.
The arrakis made me remember back when my country colonized by europian , they were come to our land to get spices because at that time spices is very rare and valuable in west
This is required viewing by everyone who watches the movie. Especially those who’ve never read Dune or see the 1984 version. Keep up the good work man.
The 1984 movie confuses more issues than it clarifies.
Thanks so much for this man! I’m a beginner to the series, and like you said I kept saying to myself “what the heck is going on??!?” 🤣
But I really dug it and was surprised how emotionally captivated I was watching it. Anyway thank you for explaining this, because it makes so much more sense now. I’m looking fwd to my 2nd viewing. Thanks again
🙏👍
Never read or really even heard of Dune till Denis Vileneuve and I cant thank you enough for the very diguestable and cool videos on the universe man. I know we are all eagerly awaiting PART 2!!!!
You sh rd the books. mn
Seeing Quinn finally being able to use screenshots of the 2021 movie makes me happy.
Clear, concise and to the point!! Thanks so much for this video
They're going to cast Doug Jones as Edric in Dune: Messiah. Mark my words
Wow ... that would be perfection.
Or Andy Serkis
@@MagicRobot95 ... was thinking of him as I left my reply because honestly, I think he's more likely to get the job.
THAT would be amazing!!
If I recall correctly David Dastmalchian said that he got a preview of what the navigators will look like and they are totally inhuman in appearance. They are going to be extremely elongated, which, to be fair, fits Doug Jones to a tee
Very helpful and simplified , much easier to understand after you spelled it out using more modern comparisons thank you !!!
Much respect to you. This was very helpful to me because when I watch Dune my mind went blank.
What they have created is a direct analogy to geo-politics here on earth!! First time seeing your video....
Well put and succinctly done. You hit all the important points.
And, since for some reason I had subtitles on, I got to see who the Land's Rat and the Bennie Jesuit were.
It's crazy to see how much correlates with Game of Thrones even though they are set in completely different times. Game of Thrones is my favourite show and I know a lot about the lore, but now getting into all the dune lore it's very easy to spot the things that inspired George RR Martin
Although Dune is sci fi its politics and 'aesthetic' are very medieval. I think it's less of GoT being inspired by Dune and more of them both taking from the same source, real European history
Yeah like killing 70% of the protags in the first part lol
@@alahsiaboi8909 RIP to Khal Duncan man..
@@alahsiaboi8909 As goes the Bene Gesserit saying; "Do not count a human dead until you've seen his body. And even then you can make a mistake."
@@WilliamMcSkilliam you're right ,they planned to bring back gurney,thufir,and (spoiler alert) Idaho
Quinn, you wear that pimp outfit like a certified sci-fi boss. 😂👍👌
Straight up. Quinn really killing it
Guys got style.
"Only an American would assume a fashion-forward Black man looks like a pimp.”
-Zemo
@@johnnywilliams4984 He could be white, Latino, whatever, and still look like a pimp in those clothes.
Dune was 1 year ago? it feels like yesterday where everyone hype about it. Damn time does flies
As a noobie to the series (Even though I've been aware of and heard of it for multiple decades), this perfectly (I feel), transitions me into the new Dune move universe. So, Thank you!
This has the perfect amount of info for a non-reader playing Dune: Imperium, like No Tleilaxu.
So glad I found this! I'm currently reading book one but I tend to get bogged down in trying to connect the political dots. This helps!
Very concise and well explained. Thanks!
I now realize why there are all these “explainer” dune videos all of a sudden, the Movie, while beautiful, it was without…explanation…except still suits, they explained them to a point but stopped short. The character’s motivations are unknown, why would Leto say “I should have married you…” how are we not to assume they aren’t married? They have a son and share a bed, and there is no explanation at all of their very complicated and ancient relationship.
I know because I know Dune, a new viewer would not know 30k years of history, why the fremen are who they are, why Paul’s birth was an issue(we are told it was an issue but not why), why the spice is even important, we are told briefly and not shown how the spice infuses and shaped society …it’s all glossed over… with expansive views and a lot of silence…Doctor Yueh was a footnote, Duncan had even less “character development” then the first movie! Was any of it bad no, just vapid.
I have to agree honestly...
"Duncan had even less screen time then the first movie!"
The fuck are you talking about lmao? Duncan was only in a handful of scenes in the first movie and he's one of the central characters in the new one. We literally follow him through an entire battle and actually see his relationship with Paul. Did you actually watch the movie?
I just saw it yesterday, and I thought they did a decent job with exposition.
All movies based on novels have to trim plotlines to fit the main story into what is essentially a short-story format, and Dune is a really flipping long, dense, complicated novel with a huge number of minor subplots going on. A lot was going to get trimmed, no matter what. It's simply necessary.
Most of the reviews I've seen from professional critics are actually complaining that it spends TOO MUCH time on dense, info-dump expository dialogue in between actual events that move the story along--but personally I think they managed to strike a reasonable balance.
We know (just from the movie) what a Kwisatz Haderach is, why the Bene Gesserit want to create one, and that Paul might be one but he's not really supposed to be due to Jessica disobeying orders.
I think that's enough for Paul's origin story, which is what the movie aims to be.
The Fremen are barely in it, so I assume explanation of the relevant aspects of their culture is waiting for Part 2 when they become the central focus.
It won't be as detailed or comprehensive as what the book tells you, because that's impossible.
But I thought this movie did a much better job explaining what was supposed to be happening than, say, the last three Star Wars movies. And this isn't a sequel to six other movies that everyone in the audience has presumably seen.
@@jim4686 you are correct I mistyped my intention I meant character development but my brain went with screen time, he had a more substantial presence on screen but we don’t know why he fought for this family so tenaciously…they barley spoke to each other. that’s not to say this movie is some sort of failure, it’s not it just could have been brighter and more focused and less scenes of ear condensation and sand blowing over dunes while looking at characters watching sand blow over dunes. There was a lot of unnecessary desert porn.
Great video thanks! Haven't read the books or other film so awesome to get some insigh. Really looking forward to the next film and love the world the story creates!
This video was clutch. Thanks!
Awesomely explained. 💫
Mate love your vids, keep it up brother.
Great synopsis. But did you mention that spice is essential to guild navigation?
New to this story.
Watched the new Movie three times now.
Watched loads of lore videos on here.
I’m Hooked.
Great video by the way. 👍🏻
Thank the old man of the Desert for quinn, i just finished reading a review of dune from some asshole in the new yorker that was so off base so ignorent of the sorce material, that pissed me off so much that i think my blood presure went through the roof. Luckly this video calmed me down. Quinn out here doing shai-huluds work!!
I saw one review the guy said the movie was too confusing and thought the baron was the emperor. I guess we know why 99% of Hollywood movies are braindead CGI affairs now.
The one i read the guy said spice was an energy sorce and that the lynch movie was full of rich texture while denis was bland and unimaginitive.
@DopeNose i saw that one. Not gonna lie it gave me a chuckle
They're used to Star Wars, where the plot is spoonfed to them.
@@manuelgarcia3122 I'm a fan of Lynch's work, but not that movie 🤣 Probably just some diehard fan of his. There's no way someone can not just be bias and think those things.
CHOAM is like a galactic East Indian Trading Company
great explanation bro
Brilliant, thanks bro!
Some years ago, I called George RR Martin the "poor man's" Frank Herbert. Of course, I was joking, but now, I don't really think I was joking! Having read Dune and a Song of Ice and Fire years ago, I could see the clear similarities in these stories. However, over the years, with TV show, book re-reads and new films, those similarities became far clearer! I'm not trying to take anything away from George Martin, but the influences, which he has never acknowledged publicly, is absolutely evident in Frank Herbert's Dune. Here are just a few...
These two stories begin with both leaders of prominent houses, Ned Stark and Leto Artreides uprooting their families across long distances because of a royal request. A move, which subsequently ends up being a trap and ending with the death of the leader of each house. Now on the run from the evil and treacherous house, a young member(s) of the now disbanded house, have to go into hiding, fight their way through loads of danger, only to end up living among some so-called, "lesser" which of course, helps them to find themselves and their place; just like Arya, Jon Snow and Paul had to. With their respective houses now destroyed, they all learn to develop skills which will become the stuff of heroes later in the story!
There are also clear similarities in the houses and what each house represents... House Harkonnen is clearly House Lannister and House Artreides is clearly House Stark. The Space Guild is pretty much the Iron Bank.... Fremen are basically The Free folk, and the Crysknife is pretty much a nod to dragon-glass blade! Then, you have Facedancers and the Faceless men and not to mention that whole inbreeding thing! Of course, dragons are the clear replacement mythical creature for the sandworms. And just like, not everyone can ride a sandworms in Dune, not everyone can ride a dragon in G.O.T.!
I am going to go out on a limb and guess that by superimposing Tywin Lannister's face onto the emperor's body, it means that you probably see the same similarities that I do. Again, I'm not taking anything away from George Martin... But I believe that I am going to start referring to Dune as "Game of Thrones in Space!" and Game of Thrones as "Medieval Dune!" Anyway, great video! GIANT THUMBS UP!!
The politics of Warner Brothers. Make all the evil Harkonnen glow in the dark white. Everyone else multirace (especially the heroic factions).
He who controls the postal service, controls the world.
I personally loved to call spice magical cocaine... kinda works the same way though.
You could always read the books. This explained in interesting detail.
Thanks. That was cool. I understnd it all a bit better now and I don't have to read the book! Great ideas though; very reflective of power and addiction here on Earth.
I think the most valuable thing you've done here, is create an almost entirely spoiler-free breakdown for Dune novices. I use Dune as my central text in some of the composition courses I teach, and I find myself endlessly editing my proposed necessary summary of the Dune text/universe so that we can all approach it with equal footing within a given course. That's hard to do without spoiling certain nuances of the story while also remaining concise, but I think you've achieved both of those qualities here.
Nice job, dude.
Dude? Let me guess; you’re American. 😂
The only spoiler is at the end, saying that they need to keep Arrakis dry for the spice production. The movie and at least the fist half of the book I've read so far leave the question of why they don't terraform Arrakis to be more habitable open, at first saying it would just be too expensive. The guild doesn't even let Leto Atreides deploy weather satellites.
Watching a 5 minute lore video was very refreshing
Huh?
@@CadetKosmov thanks for spoiling it bro
So Dune is the middle east, and the houses are the rest of the world fighting for oil.
I was thinking just that!
More like opiates. Don't get the oil comparison
@@alexram5679 without oil the world would grind to a halt
When talking about how manipulative the Bene Gesserit are, you need to remember that they're largely atheistic and have an entire branch, the Missionaria Protectiva, designed to deliberately manipulate WHOLE RELIGIONS to make their beliefs more favorable to the Bene Gesserit. They also have a long-term view of events measured in millennia because their leaders, the Reverend Mothers, have access to all of their ancestral memories on the female side throughout the history of humanity--meaning that a Reverend Mother knows everything that her mother, her grandmothers, their mothers and grandmothers, and so on back through time all knew.
@@stevenp3176 Indeed
Yeah but since they are women that means they actually don't know anything.
@@sophiaperennis2360 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Its not just the memories of the women but also the fathers and grandfathers who are breed for their genetics toward the goal of Kwisatz Haderach. See children of Dune and God Emporor of Dune to begin to understand why the Bene Gesserit test for humanity and kill those who fail the test.
@Ryan Mosey Way to inject unnecessary divisiveness
"We’ve a three-point civilization: the Imperial Household balanced against the Federated Great Houses of the Landsraad, and between them, the Guild with its damnable monopoly on interstellar transport. In politics, the tripod is the most unstable of all structures. It’d be bad enough without the complication of a feudal trade culture which turns its back on most science." -- Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam
What about Ben gessrit?
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl There's an interdependence between those three factions within the tripod. The Bene Gesserit are able to move in and out of that structure yet exist outside of it.
@@goyasolidar then it is four factions not three
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl it is said by a member of the Sisterhood. They don't see themselves as one of those three.
They see it as... three unruly children, or pets, that they - the Bene Gesserit - has to wrangle together for the future of humankind as a whole.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl As I've said, the BG intrinsically exist outside of the power structures of the Imperium and that's how they prefer it, moving behind the scenes and being beholden to none.
I've read Dune twice. It was one of the most challenging books ever endeavored (next to LotR). It was also one of the most captivating. But I feel like I missed a lot, and couldn't keep all the information together. This video really coagulated the content, and got me a little pumped to dive into my third read.
Thanks for the content!!
"Dune", the first book any way, is good for at least 3 or 4 reads over time. There are so many concepts in the plot that become known once you are familiar with the book and Herbert's writing.
How do I read dune
@@chimdinduobidike3821 buy the book and start from the beginning
@@chimdinduobidike3821just buy the book??? Nah I'm kidding 😅 there are 6 Dune books that the author Frank Herbert wrote. The 1st book, titled "Dune" is the one most people read, but if you like that one you can then read the other 5
@@chimdinduobidike3821watching videos like this one for context before reading will help. It’s not as hard to read as people say so just go for it
I’m not a movie buff and I don’t know a lot about movies as I’m just a casual viewer, but I can say, this movie is a huge breath of fresh air! I would definitely sit for 2 hrs 30 mins again for Dune
I just went and saw it again and I don't really like movies but my sibling does so we went again to a cheeper laid back theater.
@@wonderstuck-gg For and a WHOLE a lot of people, This WHOLE movie did justice to the original novel and story ENTIRELY and captured a lot of the visuals of the book through pure cinematic aesthetics and creativity as it’s fantastic and phenomenal movie and one of the greatest films of the 21th century already! MASTERPIECE of a movie here!
As I said, The new Dune movie is a MASTERPIECE!!! It’s fantastic and phenomenal movie and one of the greatest films of the 21th century already! MASTERPIECE of a movie here!
@@wonderstuck-gg sibling? 🤔 we say brother and sister here on earth 👽
Yup 😊
I love how you use Amazon, and the GOT to illustrate your point hahaha...I'm just choked up over Space Amazon...
George RR Martin wishes he could do court politics as well as Frank Herbert, lol
@@warestari2000 George Martins politics is just to create fake dinners that turns to be manslaughters and other types of gore trauma
@@reflectcard6258 where do you think he got the idea? The red wedding &noble warriors leading their families into traps was a DIRECT lift from dune
Hell without dune &berserk GOT probly wouldn't exist
@@o-wolf I know, I was just stating, and Martin seems like he really like to do that
I love berserk but I don't think kentaro miura had any inspiration on George's writing I could be wrong but I doubt it .
I always found it interesting that there weren't non-guild space travelers. Interstellar travel is still possible without Navigators, but there's a 10% chance the ship will be lost in every trip. That's certainly a massive risk but human greed has never been stopped by massive risk. There are periods in human history when almost half of mercantile and exploratory ships were lost. But the profit from such undertakings was so great that people were willing to take that risk.
I always assumed the guild muscled out any real competition that even considered getting around the ban
Noone who would have the resources has the need for it. Because the Guild is good at keeping everyone else comfortable with the Guild.
The only party that could have both the means and the cause would be Ix, perhaps. And I am not sure about their motivation...
Bene Tleilax has the obvious motivation, but they probably don't have the technical capability to make a ship that can "jump".
@@Aeolusdallas ...leaving only the sole traders, smugglers and privateers to pick up the crumbs?
@@misterjei well we know there are smugglers at the very least
Well there are still smugglers I assume, since they are mentioned in the series occassionally, I gotta assume they aren't guild affliated.
I read the first three books but these videos help me fill in gaps of stuff I was a confused about. I need to reread the books again. I am watching Dune today in IMAX here in Bangkok. So excited!!!!
Oh, im jealous!!! Im also watching today in thailand, but in pattaya & no imax here... maybe its an excuse to go to bkk haha
Have a good time.
It opened in Canada yesterday where I am.
Make sure to read all 6 books. Everything clicked by book 5, it was at that point I finally felt like I understood the Dune universe
What did you think of the books?
Just watched It ; Absolutely breathtaking. Must watch on the biggest screen possible
I had no idea about dune until the 2021 movie came out. Then I found your channel when I wanted to learn more. Your videos got me into the books. I just finished Dune Messiah and already ordered Children of Dune 😄I’m so happy I found this series. I’m in love with reading again ❤️
Lol. Watch the old Dune to man as it has got bad ass moments too plus such actors as Sting and Patrick Stewart.
Stop it! Eyes are for screens. Leave your imagination and your critical thinking in the 20th century where they belong, along with handwritten notes and using a phone to actually call people.
😂 just kidding, that’s great lol.
same, on your first point
@@AntoniOrszykowski Yes. It's a classic.
The way you used real-world companies and explained everything so well is gold.
I had cursory knowledge of this but haven't thought of them like this way.
He had me at CHOAM = Space Amazon 😂
I loved that choamazon logo
@ㄉㄎㄉ • ꨆꨟꨮꩆ ꨣꨰꨕ What? what are you even saying?
Quinn the screenshot you've chosen for House Atreides with everyone waiting to leave the ship is literally my favorite shot in the entire film. There's something grandiose about seeing the entire house standing together as they arrive on ArrakIs.
Almost like Spaniards coming to central america... We come to rule you.
@@unwokeneuropean3590 yeah, that scene in Apocalypto still resonates with me
All I could think when I saw that scene was "oh shit, everyone in one place. they're gonna all die"
I was disappointed that they didn't show them folding space, they just went from leaving Caladan to walking out onto Arrakis.
@@emgee44 Legendary space folding sequence in the old movie, lol. I think it's because it's not really explained anywhere in the canon how it actually happens, so any depiction is fanciful. Even the navigators are still pretty mysterious to this day, not to mention how they operate. Dune is just a very mysterious universe all over.
"CHOAM is space-amazon"
mind blown, and somewhat disturbed
Jeff bezos
Spacing Guild is NASA
Duke Elon Musk?
It's almost here. First: Musk Heavy Industries. Then: House of Elon!
@@TraceguyRune SpaceX
The only other big detail that's worth mentioning (but barely addressed in the books) is that the Great Houses provide a substantial check on the Emperor's power by having independent access to nuclear weapons. They've banned them among themselves, but towards the end of _Dune_ it's heavily implied that if the Landsraad became aware of the crimes the Imperial House committed against Atreides, they would likely waive their prohibition of nuclear warfare in order to sink Corrino.
I would like to try some of that spice 😂🥺
Creators who make content for a niche subject, and then that subject blows up due to something happening outside of their control (like a movie release) deserve all of the new views and support that comes along with it.
Thanks for making awesome sci fi content and I hope all of this new dune interest brings your page more success 🤘🏽
devon grousis: 👏👏👏👏👏
This video was made a week ago what r u talking about
@@shreyasrd2034 He;s been making Dune videos for years. But also worth noting that this channel was successful back when Game of Thrones was on too becuaes it used to be mainly a GoT channel, so it's not entirely luck
Yup
Dude, he knew what he was doing 🥴
The political system of the empire in Dune is heavily inspired by of that of the medieval Holy Roman Empire (HRE). Even the term "Landsraad" clearly has a medieval German/Dutch root, just like you'd expect from the HRE.
The HRE also had a council of noble families who had their own fiefdoms with a high degree of autonomy. Their leaders had various titles like "duke", "baron", or "prince", just like in the Dune empire and they officially elected the emperor, though often this was just a rubberstamp because an imperial house was so powerful (though never powerful enough to take on all the other houses combined, again just like in Dune) it simply had their male heir of choice confirmed by the electors.
The HRE didn't have the Bene Gesserit but in many the Catholic Church had a similar role.
Interestingly the HRE was torn apart in the 17th century (and never really recovered) by the Thirty Years War, a religious civil war between catholics and protestants that killed a significant portion of the population. I guess that's something that stuck with Frank Herbert in history class.
And, of course, the Bene Gesserit were based upon the Jesuits (hence the similar name). They didn't exist in the HRE, but substitute the Dominicans (or any other order) and...
There are similarities, and differences. House Corrino rules through military power. The emperor of the HRE was never a great military power, and both elected by a small subset nobles (not a Landsrat) who had inherited that privilege, and also invested by the Catholic pope. The emperor was not always the male progeny of the previous emperor, in part because not all emperors had male progeny. And, unlike kings, the emperor could not invest and divest nobles under his jurisdiction at will. The emperor and the pope jointly invested the bishops of the empire, but only the pope could divest them again.
The HRE was disbanded by Napoleon Bonaparte in the 18th century. (Purely by military might; he was not a member, let alone the emperor, of the HRE.)
The Thirty Year War was the most terrible war Europe had ever seen, and inevitably part of the HRE was part of that war. It did not tear apart the empire though. Members of the empire had been at war with each other before and afterwards as well.
@@davidwuhrer6704 House Corrino didn't rule through military means: it's literally said that the combined military power of the Landsraad would overpower House Corrino, just like in the HRE. The Ottonian and Habsburg dynasties definitely had powerful armies of their own. I'm unsure why you think the Landsraad is anything other than a small group of select nobles.
'The Holy Roman Empire was Neither Holy, Nor Roman, Nor an Empire' - Voltaire
@@TheAventine Haha, yeah, and the Empire of the known universe was neither an empire nor encompassing the known universe, so it fits really well.
Spice is illegal in Star Wars.
And it is just a simple drug, it doesn't heal or give you extra lifespan.
Star wars is for kids, Dune is for actual adults
@@richardalvarez2390not really
Star wars Legends is actually very complex. Vitiate and Palpatine were very gruesome @sharkquisha3407
I tried to read Dune so many times, but it was just too dense. The movie blew me away, and you've been the perfect guide to finally getting into the series
First two books are completely worth it, the other four of the main series are way denser and not as interesting. The ladder 8 books are great for simplicity since they are written by frank herberts son who was not as great a writer
Can't relate, books are so good with a lot of thinking involved. Hard not to enjoy.
Audible my friend. I’ve listened to so many books I don’t think I would have been able to read lol. Also good narrations.
@@blackpyxy9583 that’s exactly how I ended up getting through it, it was fully voice acted so it was a great time
@@EsotericCat The first 3 books written by Frank are Paul's story. God Emperor of Dune is the story of Paul's son, Leto II. The next two books focus on the Bene Gesserit, who have come to power 1500 years later. Frank died before finishing what was to be the final novel.
Then his son and Keven J. Anderson saw $$$$$, pretended to find "notes", and wrote copious amounts of bullshit that prove that if the notes existed, they were not followed, they don't understand the source material, and write for an audience that like explodey stuff and blood/guts/gore - but no intelligent philosophy that will make people debate it decades after.
Ngl but Quinn's casual tone in these latest video is awesome. I was used to the super serious tone from the former videos, but hearing him just explaining the lore in a casual way to newcomers the way you would do at a party to some friends is refreshing. Keep that attitude and tone Quinn, imho, it's way more appealing to people eager to know more.
^ this. These videos are great, and will be super accessible to those that haven't read the books!
As a many times reader of the series, this was an excellent description of the politics of the Imperium; well done!
I always had the impression that Caladan was the ancestral home of the Atreides(es?), and their “ownership” of it was deeper than simply being assigned to it by the Imperium… same with the Harkonnens on Geidi Prime. Arrakis was a special case, with no Great House of its own, where stewardship was assigned.
am I wrong?
I don't actually know but this is how I see it too. It seemed to me that all great houses have their own 'home planet' besides the planets they are charged with. The Corrino family being somewhat of an exception bc they messed up their original home world but since they are the emperor family they just took another.
Not wrong. You are 100% right.
They were assigned to it around 1500 years ago. Before them, it belonged to another house and the Atreides were a minor house millennia before that.
@@lizajameson7339 - seems like 10,000 years is enough to establish ancestry…
my point being, wouldn’t the people of Caladan still be loyal to the Atreides(es), rather than the house appointed to replace them?
also, follow-up question… why did the Harkonnens get Arrakis AND Geidi Prime, when it seemed like the Atreideses had to give up Caladan to take control of Arrakis?
@@lizajameson7339 That is information written by Frank Herbert's son and not canon. He has not upheld the canon and brilliance of his father's world. I would not hold what he has written as "Dune fact".
In God Emperor of Dune 90% of the book is explaining how the old politics of Dune are totally abolished. Spoilers, but the Bene Gesserit get totally screwed over.
“Every airline”
Not just that. Every shipping company-all the container ships that come and go from every port.
This is the perfect “explain dune to me in 5 minutes” video. It misses a lot of the details and some of the history, but for the sake of brevity it serves as a great foundation.
did he 'miss' those details then, or are those topics for another day.. "brevity is the essence of wit"
@@StayFractalesque He didn't "miss" anything, he just explained everything that NEEDED to be explained for the context of THIS movie alone. Not unnecessary explanation that would confuse people.
As someone who’s reading dune, this was really helpful! Just like when i first read GOT, the first book has a lot of new information that is hard to keep up with and easy to get mixed up. This simplified a lot!
Dune with cross 200 million this weekend! Part 2 is looking good!
At least WB got their money back , seeing the issue with COVID I guess they will lake part 2
@@hamzanajji8615 don't they need to get double the budget to get their money back. Hollywood accountancy.
@@diverguy3556 I think it's a good rule of thumb. But because of that Hollywood Accounting, we will never actually know what it makes or what it cost to make. So... yeah, it's all guessing.
Sequel was just confirmed!
Spoiler alert!! Don’t read beyond this if you plan on watching the movie! I found the ending prob the most profound part. The Fremen act as if they could care less if Paul and Jessica existed: EXACTLY as I perceived in the book. Additionally Paul is confused as to what his visions/dreams were about: a life for a new life…until faced with that situation. Then in that instance he sees that it’s not his life to be lost, but rather his death/rebirth after taking a life (a person dies to some degree when taking life, but can be reborn when the act is out of honor). Immediately after, all of the Fremen make a point to touch Paul as he walks by…not necessarily out of compassion but to them something more significant. They were validating him and his decision: ‘we now see you’ ‘we now recognize you as a person who has significant honor’ And you are who we hoped you would be.
That scene flagrantly deviates from the book, in that the fight takes place in the open and also not in underwear. It doesn't make as much sense, but it is more dramatic this way.
I find Jessica's answer to Stilgar's inquiry unsatisfying. It makes sense, but the audience might not realise that her answer is not the actual reason why Paul fights the way he fights.
Very cool analysis!
Paul is validated 3 times in the movie. His test with the Reverend Mother confirmed that he is not a mere instinct based man and has deeper thoughts than expected of men. His near-death with the Hunter Seeker showed that he was not the careless fool he was earlier and then when meeting the Fremen he is accepted as one who exists within their circle.
@@davidwuhrer6704 Jessica can't tell him "Paul is used to using a shield" since she has no idea who he is or how the Fremen fight.
@@SantomPh I don't understand. Surely Lady Jessica would know her own son, and that the still suits aren't shielded.
In the book they even fought in their underwear.
Ok so basically crackheads with company unlimited credit cards fighting for their fix, got it.
😂 Good god if this isn't a correct statement
Hoping you get alot more traffic and subs now that Dune is out!
I hope a lot of people get obsessed with Dune Lore
@@Despotic_Waffle I know I am
Great video as always man. I heard that the CHOAM were comparable to OPEC but honestly you comparing CHOAM to Amazon makes a lot more sense. I always wondered if maybe the noble houses had their origins as the families of CEOs, Executives, and Board Members of various economic cabals. Gotta love the constant backstabbery (that's a word now) and manipulation in Dune.
I'm not sure it's a shame or a good move that they didn't really bring up the CHOAM shareholders and Noble/imperial House venn diagram being basically a circle.
It's nobles houses then 'CEOs, Executives, and Board Members of various economic cabals', because capitalism evolved from feudalism to mercantilism and finally today's imperialism/capitalism. Up until 1900ish most/all British Prime Ministers had been Lords.
@@queeniegreengrass3513 We have replaced the landed aristocracy with a moneyed aristocracy.
That totally makes sense. Duke Bezos XIII, Baronness Nancy XC of the House Walton.
Harkonnen is bald because they're descendants of House Bezos
I wish Charles Dance had been required to wear that helmet in GoT
I wish he'd been cast as the emperor. He was born to play the hyper realistic power player.
@d R One can but hope.
@@graceskerp Can you please compare Dune to Game of Thrones for me? With analogies of who is the "real power in King's Landing," which Houses are the underdogs/most unpredictable, who is most ambitious etc.? I know nothing about the Dune universe.
How do you recommend getting into this series? What are the books/shows/movies to watch?
@@dawn-blade Sorry for the delay. I didn't read Song of Ice and Fire nor follow GoT that closely, so any contrast/compare will be superficial.
Firstly, unlike Westeros the noble houses in the Dune universe don't play a large role in the story. They certainly do fight among themselves, but they wisely make no play for imperial power. The Emperor's Sardaukars make sure they behave themselves. The most ambitious and dangerous is House Harkonnen.
Another compare: Dune is filled with characters who have their own agendas and goals.
Finally Dune has an important fringe group which everyone ignores or dismisses until they show up at the front door. They're led by a charismatic individual who succeed in kicking in the door, but with dire results for both himself and the empire.
Getting into the series: OK, start with the book. It's a dense read, certainly not a weekend or beach book, but it is worth the effort.
Films: Lynch's fundamental problem is the story can not be told in one feature film, just too much background and characters. If you can find it, there's the SyFy's version. It has its problems, doubtful casting choices and the budget definitely shows in the special effects and sets. However, it's far more faithful to the narrative than Lynch's.
Finally, check Quinn's Ideas and Nerd Cookies TY videos. They both do excellent analyses of all things Dune.
If you really think about it the world of Dune is really depressing and extremely dystopian.
Yes, but we grew accostumed to the idea that the future will always be better and brighter, and that is not necessarily the case.
It's not at all "dystopian" at all. It starts off fairly and there places there are unbelievably cruel and harsh but there are other places that are peaceful and nice. It's a mixed bag of places so it's not at all "extremely dystopian" at all, yes the galaxy gets worse through evil actions but it doesn't start off as "dystopian" to be categorized one right off the bat as a label in genre at all. There are good places and bad places, just like in real life. It's a mixed bag of situational conditions, at the start anyways.
Because it is based on places on earth....
@@archvaldor uhhhh no that’s not the reason and even than dune still isn’t dystopian. Well it doesn’t start off that way.
I love your channel... but I'm going to avoid watching your videos until I've seen the new film! 😆
Really looking forward to your upcoming CHAPTERHOUSE DUNE video! 👍
But SEE it soon! It’s excellent!
The movie is a great ad to read the books…looked stunning, not a lot of substance…they glossed over spice!
If you are avoiding Quinn's video but you are anticipating the CHAPTERHOUSE DUNE video then you are a little late - you are officially a Dune aficionado!
Quinn, I just discovered your channel, and it truly is one of RUclips's hidden gems. You have a new subscriber ; -)
Hey this was really good. One part that I think wasn't mentioned is the Fremen - the natives of Dune who have their own mysticisms and prophecies that tie in very strongly to the story. I also just realized that Fremen breaks down to "free-men", one code I hadn't noticed before.
tbf the fremen religion and mysticism is mostly just the bene Gesserit's tampering. Before the Atreides arrive on Arrakis, the fremen are very much removed from the politics of the imperium
How about Benne Jeserit….
(Jesuit 😉)
I think bene Jeserict planted those prophecies
There is also Ix and the Tleilaxus.
I love how the book feels like ancient history despite being sci-fi set thousands of years into the future. This empire feels so small compared to maybe the empire in star wars or even the federation in star trek.
It's not small at all, we just don't have a lot of info precisely on how big it is and and other, minor houses. What we know for sure from the second book is that there are over 10.000 planets colonized by humans, hundreds of billions of people, maybe thousands of billions humans.
@@pedroeldiablo811 thats huge, but (pretty well thought out) estimates from the star wars empire say there's about 100 quadrillion citizens. That's 100 billion times a billion. I guess in that comparison the dune universe seems a bit small.
Lmao 😂, nothing absolutely nothing could be further from the truth
A single guild highliner could beat the entirety of the starwars and star trek
Dune is small because all living humans are addicted to spice which allows a small group to control what is otherwise impossible to control, dune is a universal empire, starwars and star trek would probably be isolated and ignored .
That's how big dune is
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True , even 10000 must have been propaganda considering how easily the scattering happened.
They didn't just start exploring , they just knew where to flee and finally go where they wanted without guild dictates
10000 was what the emperor was allowed to control by the guild
As for the strength, its horrifying even cause the tleilaxu must have had tens of thousands of worlds and yet they were considered " weak" and couldn't quite attack a major house or the witches
Who in turn could not dare the emperor
most worlds were peaceful colonies who ignored the empire most of the time and couldn't be forced to fight
Ok, I NEED Charles Dance as Shaddam IV now in Part Two.
Oh heck yeah
@d R What about his son Jared Harris
@@technopirate304 Jared Harris is in apple tv+ Foundation so I´d highly doubt it, but he does look like what I imagine Shaddam IV as.
@@edvardkvist3656 Yeah I watch that show as well. We can only dream. Jared's absence is seriously apparent on The Expanse
@@technopirate304 I guess we'll see, though I find that Jared's overall character lacks a bit off authority for him to play the emperor. Do you understand what i mean by that?
"Landsraad" is actually a Dutch word. It literally translates to county council.
Same in German
I think is based on the Holy Roman Empire political system.
@@startrekgenesis-gdr3723 I think that's correct.
@@markv785 we say Kaiser
@@markv785 hmm interesting.
It warms my heart to see Atreides and Harkonnen banners displayed with in-universe colors
If only the people were in in-universe colours. Instead of this blackwashed travesty.
@@TomorrowWeLive wait so those banners in the video are the correct colours?
@@TomorrowWeLive Stfu, Dune is literally set in a Middle Eastern-esque desert planet, how is it “blackwashed” for these characters to be the most appropriate skin colour for that environment?
@@heilmodrhinnheimski Black people in any media role=blackwashing. haven't you heard?
Politics never changes. It's all about power and influence and powerful people getting more power. While normal people are just expendable pawns in the game of chess.
This is true even for the noble Atriedes. The books actually shows how ruthless and manipulative they are to the populace too. They are best described as benevolent dictators.
"POLITICS IN SPAAAAAAAACCCCCEEEE!" in mel brooks voice
There’s a line in the book about religion in space. It shouts “SPACE TRAVEL” in all caps and in its own paragraph to emphasize the impact of space travel on religion.
I know you weren’t talking about any of this, but your comment reminded me of it. 🙂
@@nav579 I know I come off as mocking with Mel Brooks, but he does respect genre films. His son wrote World War Z and he was hoping Solarbabies would have been a franchise. Rewatching Young Frankenstein and that film is very true to it's source of classic monster films, "it's not the monster who was evil."
GREAT, now i already watched the movie... your video become solid foundation for basic DUNE knowledge, time to read novel 😆
Day no. 69 of trying to will Mads Mikkelsen as the Emperor for part 2.
yes god please
Love the Amazon/airline analogies.
I'm currently reading the 3rd book - but despite this, some of the stuff was still very difficult to understand and quite unclear! It's amazing how well you've explained this! :D
i want to read the books too, but my english prevents me
@@widjiro the books were translated to many different languages! You should see if you could read it in your native language:) I read mine in Polish ;)
Does your edition of the books still come with the glossary at the end? I remember reading through it and it spells out pretty much everything regarding CHOAM, Laandsrad, the guild etc
After 2:15 ,brain has unexpectedly stopped,😂
1:31 C.H.O.A.M corporation is in the fictional Dune 'Known Universe' as O.P.E.C.-&-Russia is to today's socio-political economic globalized trade network in terms of its strengths as an interconnector par excellance &, most of all, in terms of its weaknesses as the means of total interdependency (another of Herbert's forward thinking, that OPEC would have most of the spice's [crude oil] leverage in the times after his works were published). C.H.O.A.M is not Amazon.... the Guild, as a fictional sole interstellar traversing monopoly, would be today's: FedEx, UPS, ALL Airlines, ALL unarmed merchant mariner fleets AND Amazon combined
I think it is a better Analogy for CHOAM to be the WTO. I know that in the appendices Frank Herbert modeled CHOAM after OPEC but nowadays the WTO I believe wields far more powers than OPEC.
And yes I am aware that the WTO was nonexistent when Dune was written.
The 'problem' with Dune and the world, is the best part of Dune and its world. It's so deep and vast with lore, no film will ever show that all, but I really think he has created something special with this film, it will most certainly give yet another boost to sales - not that Dune ever needed one, its never out of print. That is really what you want, people to go to the series from this, and hopefully we get more films and shows to explore this world, that is the ideal combination.
Yeah, this is gonna drive people to read the books. It’s awesome 😎
@@nav579 i saw copies of dune in a shop this week with the film cover. foundation too with the apple series cover.
Nice :) I am encouraged by this.
I just finished the first book last week and watched the movie yesterday. This was an excellent explanation. You actually cleared up a few details from the book too. You earned my sub my man. :)
The book does explain this all anyway though
@@j0nnyism yes but it's not clear as the book is HIGHLY complex so it's important for others to break things down for them. That's why the op comment said "You actually cleared up a few details from the book too" because the book isn't easy to read at all.
Quinn has the best Dune content, and really helped reignite my love for the books. Im so excited for part 2
Holy shit, I thought I was listening to WarHammer lore for a moment lol
Imperium, Emperor, Navigators…
I can see where 40K got a good deal of inspiration
There’s more.
The Immortal God Emperor. May we remember his sacrifice for all time.
Yep. Somebody read Dune and the Lord of the Rings and then tripped on LSD.
The Emperor protect us, brother
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He guides us down his golden path. Saving mankind. His prescient power sees all futures at once. His eternal dreaming guides humanity.
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...but geekery aside. the similarities between the God Emperor of Dune and The Emperor of Mankind are quite extensive.
My posts are actually from Dune. But a "non-spoiler...” The Immortal God Emperor is not Paul.
But rather someone from a later book. He has near limitless prescient abilities and the consciousness and memories of all of his ancestors are within him. He sacrifices himself for the preservation of mankind along the “Golden Path.”
I tell a lot of Warhammer fans that Dune is worth a read just to see where they got so much inspiration from.
@@genmaicha.lapsang Spoilers
If I remember the God-Emperor of Dune is Leto II the son of Paul
And I totally agree that Dune is worth reading and/or watching, truly a masterpiece of sci-fi
Spice is more related to DMT, Shrooms, and mainly Andrenochrome, if you know what that is, how its made, and what it does, rather than oil imo.
good comment. I would say more LSD. At that time, the sixties, besides shrooms, I do not know if that other stuff was well known or used as much.
Ah, so the sisterhood is like every other religion...
In otherwords, Dune is basically Afghanistan with oil and super heroin. And the houses are just other countries.
On a side note, I want to know where they found the actor who played the Representative from the Emporer. Dude has cheekbones for days
His name is Benjamin Clementine, musician/singer.
This is a perfect summary for beginners.
I have a suggestion for a new video. You could talk about economy in the Dune series, the role if CHOAM and about Mercantilism (economic system).
"The Economy of Dune Explained In FIVE Minutes"
Why is House Harkonnen allowed to obliterate another Great House, in this case House Atreides, without any opposition from the Landsraad? And although the Emperor is secretly backing House Harkonnen, officially Arrakis has been handed over as a fiefdom to House Atreides. So, by attacking and taking over Arrakis, isn't House Harkonnen officially violating an imperial decree? That cannot be legal, can it?
It's a detail that is not in movie but is in the books.
Basically, the guild enforces a peace by making it very difficult and expensive to deploy troops. So, houses either bribe the guild or use black market subterfuge to attack eachother.
It's legal for the houses to target eachother in battle, just rarely done.