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Camera Comparison: Sony a7R III vs Sony a7 III vs Nikon D850
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Camera comparison of the Sony a7R III vs Sony a7 III vs Nikon D850. It's DSLR and mirrorless battling for best camera 2018.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
3:45 - Auto Focus Test
6:25 - Resolution Test
8:41 - ISO Test
12:23 - Exposure Test
17:05 - Picture Profiles (Standard and Flat)
19:57 - Slow-Motion Test
21:50 - Recap and Verdict
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Hey everyone, we realize that there was some misinformation about the D850 on this video. It does NOT have an optical low pass filter. Thanks to everyone who pointed it out.
We apologize for this and try to bring you the best camera comparison/reviews we can. We will learn from this and make adjustments to move forward. Thanks for your continued support of the channel.
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Underexposed files made by nikon cannot be" pulled " by third-party editors. Only in the family, for example Capture NX-D, Capture NX. In any other third-party developers RAW files from Nikon are pulled from overexposed or underexposed - not correct! The dynamic range becomes narrow and fragile. It's a fact!
I like nikon but sony a73 💪
Seems that Sony doesn't have 50mm f1.4 GM also, it's a Zeiss lens.
FYI
Nikon does NOT have a low pass filter.
A7 III does.
Derek Alvarado you’re right we misspoke about the Nikon. However the A7III does NOT.
Kenneth Merrill The A7III does have an AA filter!
Kenneth Merrill this seems to be a hard spec to pin down, but here is a pretty good source: twitter.com/TCSTVChris/status/971819557085048832
A7RIII does not have AA filter, A7III have only horizontal AA filter.
Which makes the Nikon look even worse than it was compared to.
The D850 doesn't have a low pass filter , you can't compare sharpness using different lenses ! Try the same lens , i tried a7riii and d850 using the Milvus 85 , and milvus 135 both are equal in sharpness .
hi, yes we were wrong on the low pass filter. next time we'll try to get our hands on the same lenses.
@ggclawyer
Of course you are right that you cannot compare sharpness with different lenses. They know this very well. This is not their first SLANTED video. They are professional product pushers, not honest info givers. Read my point by point call out on their "review" in the main thread..I still like their delivery and at least I hope the images they post and show are honest so we can see for ourselves. When that changes I would unsub :-)
You are not buying just a camera body but a system. It is perfectly fair to put each maker's glass on each maker's body. This wasn't a test for third- party lenses. If a body cannot resolve with native gear, you probably don't want to buy that system. Being stuck having to go third-party is a big deficit. Pentax K1 being a good example.
You guys forgot to mention the Sony’s have in body stabilisation, which Nikon doesn’t have. This is big for video, as even primes are stabilised.
Nick Granville dang you’re so right!
but my A7R doesn't have it. did i have to buy it separately?
+Dani F ....the original a7r doesn't have in body image stabilization (non of the 1st gen a7 cameras have ibis). everything after the sony a7ii does have ibis, you just have to enable it in the menu
Absolutely, I have the Sigma mc-11 adapter and 3 sigma lenses all with OS. Im wondering if all the stabilization with both body and lens are used together?
Only reason why I got the Sigma OS version (newer versions only come in OS) was for better focus tracking vs the older models...
The Nikon D850 does not have an optical low-pass filter . Well done guys . I shoot the d850 and I absolutely love it . I think all of theses cameras are amazing. I do like that I can buy lenses all the way back to 1959 and still shoot them on this body. It’s also built like a tank and weather sealed. Nice review,thanks !!
Price considered, the Sony A7III is the clear winner for all around function! As a photographer and vlogger, the choice is easy.
it's a great best value buy for sure.
Apologies for the long post but you asked so... I was a Canon shooter. I mainly shot birds and wildlife and shot the 7Dmkii. I wanted to go full frame but couldn't justify the expense and giving up my focus system and 10 fps. When Nikon announced the D850 I actually thought of jumping ship but held on to see what Canon would do in response such as the long awaited 7Dmkiii. Enter Sony. I started watching all sorts of videos on the R3 and was thinking wow this could be really good. In February my birthday was approaching and I was about to order in an R3 when that same day Sony announced the 73. I pre ordered it the next day! It fit everything I wanted. Full frame, awesome focus system and 10 fps and it did it all better than any Canon could. Now after shooting with it for almost 2 months I sold my Canon and have almost finished selling off my Canon glass. If Canon introduced a mirrorless (or even a DSLR) that matched the Sony point for point right now I would not go back. I feel that Sony is innovating and that Canon crippled their cameras and overcharged just because they could. I personally feel the 73 beats the R3 in all but resolution (I don't use video so I have no comment on it) I would LOVE that resolution for bird photography but the focus system on my camera is better right now. I plan on looking at the R4 when it arrives as I'm guessing it will do what the 73 is doing and beat it along with more megapixels. I just got into portrait work and as I'm sure you can guess it blows away what I was able to do before (The Canon wasn't bad and I got good results but...) The eye auto focus coupled with the 85 1.8 lens is a portrait taker's dream. I only have to worry about composing the image and press the eye focus button. No more click, click click as I maneuver the joystick to get a focal point on my subject!
hi dennis, thanks for taking the time to write this. your insights are great. really nice points about canon.
Dennis Moncla I'm still rocking the 5D Mark III and 1DX IMHO I didn't see enough improvement for me to invest in the 5D Mark IV. I'm soooooooooo tired of Canon with their game of incremental improvements and charging a boat load of money in their new gear. I will purchasing the III and the R4 when it comes out. I don't think Canon will be able to compete with Sony in the mirrorless field. Canon shooters has been asking for years for features that Sony put in the A7III. Canon has been asleep at the wheel and Sony is innovating period!!! Kudos to Nikon in bringing the 850 online.
Nikon D850 does not have a low pass filter. My D7200 and D5500 are the same in not having one.
hey paul, thanks for catching that. you're right, it doesn't! apologies for the misinformation.
The Slanted Lens again.
Coming from them(TSL) are you surprised?
Maybe you should do a quick edit to the video to correct that. I also think that the very small differences in resolution that you see between the D850 and the A7R3 are more related to differences between lenses than sensor per se.
Also to note that the A7III DOES have a low pass filter. Sorry but this video needs to be redone with the correct information.
Got my a7III a few days ago and just watched this video today...thanks for confirming my purchase :)
Sweet! Hope you enjoy the camera
Brian Fulda damn you're handsome!😍
my a7iii shipped today!
🙀 congrats, man! what are you shooting first?
not going to lie, i like the nikon colors though
i do video full time for an online school so probably just video testimonials. but lots of photoshoots lined up for fun at the beach this summer
sony still has a way to go on that front. but a lot better than where they were a few years ago. i think people just love them for the features.
nice! shoot over some of your photos on our facebook page when you get a chance.
In your D850 vs A7R III comparion posted in December 2017, you guys declared A7R III superior in focus over D850. Now D850 is better then A7R III, what gives!
It's depends on which camera maker is paying the most
Tamron 28/75 mm f2.8 for Sony FF next please
that's a great lens! we are definitely going to talk about it when we get our hands on one!
I just watched the whole video, and it seemed to me that the Nikon consistently had the best color in still shots. Look at the color in the model's clothes. It also had the best overall image quality in the low iso tests, as I can deal with a bit of grain if everything else is better. I just wish the D850 had a pop up flash on it. That said, the Sony a7 III looks really good for the money.
This is the best review I’ve seen comparing the 3 Best Cameras right now. Thanks for making the video !
You're welcome! Thanks for watching and check out our other camera comparison videos: ruclips.net/video/JJd51a8aI9M/видео.html
No ISO 64 test? I think for DR test, I would have preferred to see you guys compared the Nikon at IS0 64 against the ISO 100 of sony. That way all cameras would be tested at their optimal iso settings.
The Sony does 64 and 50. Would have liked to see it to but loved the video anyway.
Those are non-native ISOs on the Sony. ISO 64 is native on the Nikon.
@roberto - precisely! Nikon D850 (and D810) has a native iso 64 where it suppose to have the highest DR at that ISO.
I think Nikon makes it "native" but it is doing the same thing. Either way I would like to see them compared.
@dennis Monla - it's unclear what exactly Nikon is doing with their imaging pipeline. But various serious tests shows that Nikon 64 has an added bump in DR than 100. So it's seems to be doing something more. But then again the Sony A7Riii seemed darker. So maybe what sony calls iso 100 is more like iso 64 or 50.
You should have used Nikon Lens Not Tamron lens for Nikon, Not Fair Comparison
Test nikon at iso 64 it will have the highest DR.
Use a proper lens, the Nikon will be sharper.
Drop all 3 cameras and the nikon will still work.
some of these things might be true! maybe our test was flawed.
They used a 24-70 F4 on the Sony, which is known to be the worst lens in the Sony system.
We did not use a 24-70 on the Sony. There is not one image in this test with a 24-70. It was a lens you may have seen as we traded the Sony 50 between the cameras. All Sony images were taken with the same 50mm lens that we traded between the cameras.
@AcidicDelusion
I agree :-) The review is for the mass binary brains.
@Foto4Max - then there are those of us that rarely if ever use video (I never do) and don't care about ibis either...
I would go with the Nikon, being a landscape photographer the camera has a rough life sometimes, I know of a couple of people who have dropped their Sony and the lens mount broke clear off. ( Simon Baxter). I also dislike EVF’s, they have their advantages, would love a histogram in my OVF (technically impossibly). But the results from the Sony’s are great.
what do you prefer to use if not an EVF? do you shoot with a monitor?
Is the resolution of the EVF on the a7III a deal breaker? Appreciate any feedback
Models of cameras is in list, but lenses - no. Lenses is more important :)
I was at BH Photo Video 2 days ago testing out the af on the A7r iii, Canon 5d mark iv and Nikon d850. The thing that blew me away was how fast the af on the A7r iii was compared to the other 2. The coverage and spread of the af point was very nice and it tracked the people walking around effortlessly. Canon 5d mark iv and Nikon d850 wasn't too impressive. Worked but didn't feel as responsive. With the Sony I didn't have to "focus and recompose". Old style af system with majority of the points in center.
Fyi i have been shooting Canon dslr for last 8-9 years. Leaning toward Sony now but might do some more research before moving.
i think the Sony a7iii wins outs in two key areas,focusing and low light capability,plus the advantage as a mirrorless to shoot through the lcd,for low/high angle compositions,as u rightly say the extra money can go into a good piece of glass which is more important
a7iii 14 stop of dynamic rage on video, is that for real, better than black magic pocket the old one?... please say yes!!!!!
So use a $1000 lens from yesterday on 7R3 and a $500 lens from a whole decade ago on D850 and call it a comparison while not even being able to make sure they are shot at same ISO.. Well done.
hey thanks for watching. hope you liked the video. sorry we couldn't get the same lenses.
Not sure what you mean about the ISO. We literally shot the same exact settings on every camera. Nikon is simply rated brighter than Sony.
As for the lens, it's Nikon's own fault for not having a good 50mm! haha
Nikon has been producing cameras without OPLF since 2012. They started the industry trend with D800E. You guys just found this out through the comments! Similarly Nikon has had Eye-Detect AF in all modern cameras, including D750, D810, and D850. RTM! RTM!
We went with 2 a7iii cameras, I personally cannot express enough how much I LOOOOOVE this camera. We had Nikon's and Canon cameras prior. They are now sold.
yeah it's pretty amazing the type of quality you can get out of such a small camera
Great video and comparison! I learned quite a bit. I'm curious though why you didn't mention that the Sony A73 has a slightly different / tweaked color science compared to the A7R3. Look at the 9:00 mark. The A73 has less magenta, and earthier tones - looks more like a Canon even.
hey jimmy, hmmm sorry we didn't catch that. good catch!
Nikon user here. I've been using an A7RIII for the last month and, with the vertical grip and controls customized, actually love the handling. And the 24-70/2.8 and 85/1.4 G Master lenses are dramatically superior to the Nikon counterparts, contributing to overall image quality that is a step beyond my D810. As a portrait shooter, it's getting hard to find a reason NOT to choose the Sony over the NIkon.
BTW, the Nikon D850's sensor DOES NOT have an AA filter.
hey garland, thanks for sharing your experience! it's good to hear!
I paired my 850 with a Sigma Art 35mm 1.4,.. I have never seen such clear pictures in any other camera configurations yet.
For a guy who started photography when ASA (pre-runner to ISO but about same numbers) 125 was considered HIGH-SPEED; the high ISO capability of today's digital cameras (I shoot with a Sony A6500 and an A7iii) is absolutely mind boggling!
Despite all the "you should have done this you should have done that" comments I thought you guys did an excellent job here. I wish more RUclips comparisons were as useful!
Thanks for the support Bobby! We just gotta keep on clickin and posting. We do appreciate the help we get from all our supporters. We wouldn't have been able to continue to improve without your help!
Have you checked out our new gimbal comparison video?
Im ready to sell $6k of Nikon equipment to switch to the A7III, Tamron 28-75(Native) & 70-200 G2 (Canon mount) all for $3800 brand new. If Nikon delivers eye-AF, IBIS, and 4K, then I wont be going anywhere for the next 10 years just like the past 10 years. Nikon's release is gonna make or break them in my opinion not only with me but with quite a few mirrorless hold-outs.
On a side note I honestly couldnt care if it was mirrorless or not, todays features is what I crave.
One thought about the high ISO test: for the high-magnification inset, different magnification levels for different sensor resolution might be more informative. For example, looking at the subject's eye, using 200% for the A7RIII and D850 and 300% on the A7III would give approximately the same size inset image.
While it seems like a "have your cake and eat it too" situation, emphasizing the total resolution at low ISO but setting aside the high resolution for high ISO pictures, I think that is how the cameras are used. When a photographer wants to make the best, high-res image, they will try to keep the ISO low. When they are going up to ISO 6400 and higher, they generally want the best overall image, rather than a high-res blow-up.
The A7III may still be better at 300% magnification than the A7RIII and D850 at 200%, and it would be interesting to see that. Thanks!
For the resolution test, while the Nikon 50mm f/1.4G is a very good lens, it is far from the best lens available for the D850, especially if the budget goes from $450 to $1500, the price for the Sony Planar T* FE 50mm f/1.4 ZA. Of course, it's on Nikon that their 50mm f/1.4G is subpar compared to some of the other Nikon (and third-party) primes.
Overall, a great review! And even with these nitpicks, I agree that the A7III is a good choice for many, for $1300 less. Until the price of all the G-Master lenses eats some of the difference, of course. :-D
Even with the heavy compression, 4k uploads still show more detail when viewed on a proper 4k monitor. I own the A7R2 and a GH5S...yet I''m still torn between getting the A73 or a G9 as a backup for stills. There is no denying the A73 dynamic range. This video has been extremely helpful. Thanks for such a quick response and keep up the great work.
The video leads the viewer to believe the Nikon D850 has a low pass filter. It does not. The differences in "sharpness" can be explained away by differences in contrast of the lenses used.
thanks for the insight! wish we could be right 100% of the time, but hey, we're only human
Have to agree with you on that. It looks like they are using the 55mm 1.8 for the Sony, one of the sharpest lenses they have, and the 50mm 1.8 for the Nikon... which I own and never use because it doesn't do the D850 justice. Nikon really doesn't have a good 50 for the D850 so I just use a Tamron 45mm for mine. Other than the spotty autofocus I would say a Sigma 50 1.4 would be a good lens to use for sharpness comparison. It's right up there with the 55mm Sony.
hey peter, thanks for your insight! we try to test the cameras with native glass since they usually are pretty good. your suggestions are helpful though! thanks!
Peter Gunn Wow! Ditto here. I use the 45mm Tamrom instead of the Nikon 35mm (which seems sharper in corners) because of the VC. I have the 50mm 1.8f...somewhere, maybe in my lower desk drawer....
it's a good paper weight!
d850 for great optics available, durability and ergonomics. but to be honest all of these cameras do the work. If u cant shoot, its the photographer not the camera.
thanks for your input. it's really important to remember that always.
The second you threw the Canon I gave you a thumbs up! LOL Canon gave up on the camera market, so we might as well give up on them.
yeah i think they're concentrating more on their sensors and lenses.
Your final suggestion was based on the price point. If money was not an issue would you still take the Sony 7iii over the Nikon 850 ?
I think the difference in sharpness is down to the lens used. Try it with a Zeiss Milvus or Sigma Art 50mm or 85mm lens and the resolution will change dramatically.
lens sharpness does play a roll in that. we will try better next time!
So I have a nikon 7200. I have about $1500 worth of lenses all of which work with an FX sensor. Thoughts about choosing a7iii over nikon 850? Basically from a price standpoint it is a wash because the sony is lot less expensive so I can invest in glass. Having a hard time deciding. I am concerned about the evf
Really nice comparative review! The Sony A7iii gets my vote but I do think they can improve the weather sealing and handling on the camera. The boxy edges could be more rounded and refined but still maintaining a compact size.
hey derek, thanks for your support! that would be great if weather sealing could be best.
Thanks Slanted Lens for a fun test. It's fun to see a bunch of arm chair editors out there with all kinds of comments about lenses used, low pass filter corrections and so on. And, of course, we can't forget the all important Bias allegations. Ignoring all of these silly comments, this was a fun, well intentioned review that I thought was very useful - coming from an A7R3 owner and would be D850 owner.
hey M, thanks for taking our review with a grain of salt. we always suggest people to do their own comparisons so they can get a feel for the camera.
Nice work on an interesting comparison! Further to pixel peeping, I think an exercise in cropping the image would help differentiate the 7III from the hi-res cameras. More than composition, the high-res camera are like a full frame and crop sensor 2-in-1 so the cameras can (arguably) make more use of lenses and create DOF options that may not be available at lower res. Take a 70-200 for example, 200mm has a better chance of acting like a 300mm on the high-res cameras. Pull it back to 135mm and for the same aperture get more DOF than using the full 200. Making more use of less lenses can offset the price difference, especially on the long end... not that I care since I'm an M4/3 loser anyway! But it seems to me the ability to crop is the main advantage of high-res. If you are going to add tests, I think the results would be valuable for decision making.
hey kevin, thanks for your insight. we will keep that in mind for next time.
nice comparison keep it up guys,but you should give some points to sony and mention many video centric features that nikon lacks.hybrid cameras are essential nowadays.
hey thanks for your insight! would love for you to join us on our chat at 3!
Thanks for the test! What lenses did you use for this?
Hard choice. Mirrorless is the future and Nikon is only just now figuring that out. D850 would be my choice considering cameras alone, but can't bring myself to continue investing in Nikon glass that will need to be adapted to future mirrorless cameras so I've jumped the Nikon ship.
As for Sony, I've owned them all the A7 series cameras up through A7RII but I sold them all in 6 months or less. They're great on paper, feature packed, and deliver great technical IQ. But they're a terrible ergo fit for me and I hated shooting with them, Play Memories is a joke, they're not very rugged, and product overall feels rushed to me.
I've since moved on to Fuji and am elated with their system and the images they produce. Fantastic lenses for about 1/2 the cost of Sony because less glass required for crop sensor, they're lightweight, well thought out ergonomically, and fun to use. I love the images that come out of the camera much more than my old A7RII and D810.
My advice to people trying to decide a system is try out different cameras and don't let bandwagon effect sway your decision making. Pick the camera you enjoy using the most and that delivers the most pleasing images without worrying about technical specs and sensor size, etc. The reality is that most modern cameras are capable of producing great images.
hi roland, yes! lots to consider when buying a camera in today's market,
Sony durable??? I have had mine(A7R2) in repair TWICE and its cost me over $900 in just 2 years. Still some electronics glitches. I baby the Sony since day1, and tooled the Canons since day1.
Canon 5Dm3 has been through mud rivers and deserts and beaches for years since 5+ years with no issues....AND...my 5Dm2 with 1 issue after it fell in the ocean for 5 feet, repaired/replaced mobo in 5~ day turn around for $400~
D850 has a AA filter??!! Oh my...FAIL! Or I think that is info you guys made a mistake on.
Just to be clear, I DO love my A7r2 in the studio, or just walking with a camera for myself, not for work. Viewfinder is zero compared to the beautiful bright 5Dm3 in daylight.
Also the size you guys put so much weight to is not a big deal in most cases, and actually makes holding the Sony a issue. But for a 1 lens and camera on shoulder walk around, it is nice.
I love how nobody can comment to the fact that Sony cameras will come up with some type of issue within 3 years while Canon cameras wold last a decade easily.
Thanks for information . I am very curious about the failure of Sony
Anthony M Canon is plastic junk compared to Pentax!
Talking about the sony a7r3. If you have the focus point on the eye and continuous on doesn't that throw it off in the results you found? Making it hard to pull a good eye focus?
Nikon D850 doesn't have a low pass filter!
thanks for pointing that out rahul! sorry for the misinformation!
sir i shoot only videos I have nothing to with image quality so I just want to know A7III shoots 4K video without crop or not if it is a full frame camera surely i would like to buy A7III .. what is the differene in video quality between A7III and A7R
Guys the camera store which I buy my gear from have the A7RIII for only $230 more than the A7III...now that their prices are almost similar which camera would you recommend to buy?
The d850 does NOT have a low pass filter, just to clarify since the video was incorrect
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I'm puzzled : if both the D850 & A7Riii both don't have a LP filter, how is it that the latter appears to show more detail, especially that the D850 has fractionally more resolution? This could be related, but in my opinion the biggest weakness of the Nikon system is their lenses (optical & build quality). The Sony lenses are excellent in both categories
At 8:06 you said that the D850 has a low pass filter, the truth is that it has no low pass filter.
An other poit to view is that nikon d850 seems not to be less sharper in that image, for a simple reason, may be due to some shake in the model face or shake in the hand of the photographer .. etc
For sharpness test you must always do the test using a tripod and stationary well fixed detailed object, and for sure try to use the same lens for each as possible as you can.
An other important point here, you use the model's eye to make your decesion, and the eye tracking makes abig difference here toward the sony, because the nikon has no eye tracking autofocis.
Thanx for your videos ..
Wow, I think you should be doing these comparisons. Great points, most of which we are doing.
@@TheSlantedLens Thanx Bro.
Guys this was an awesome video. Super helpful and covered all the details. One thing that would have been interesting is a view of how the cameras perform in other situations, like architectural and the results of cropping. Beyond that, you helped me immensely. I shot with a Canon 5D MKII for years and it was definitely time for a change. I wanted a smaller body because I sometimes go out with a large format film camera to boot. Hauling both the film and Canon gear was crazy. The Sony makes all the difference, and one thing I'll say is that 24mp on the Sony is a vastly different experience and outcome than a similar mp count on the old Canon. You also helped me decide on the Sony a7III over the a7RIII. Thanks! Keep up the great work!
Great review, the best I've seen, I was a Nikon owner for 20 years, and just changed to Sony a7r111 + 300=600 G lens. The menu takes some working out, but very happy with it. The Nikon is a D7200 which is still a great camera.
Glad to hear you are happy with it!
everyone mentioned it but i will as well, Nikon of course should have been tested at its native ISO64, that's where it has the most optimal DR
maybe you could use the same lens on all cameras when testing bodies
hey patric, yeah we try to make the reviews as consistent as possible but we couldn't find a lens in time
Yup,it wasn't equal
Now that the A7R 3 jas had its firmware update 3.01 back in early 2019 its better at auto focusing. I also have the A7R 3....just got it because of the 42.4mp resolution.....but yes the A7 3 is prolly the best. But fast forward today and Im waiting to see what the new A7 4 will be capible of come early next year before I deside if I want the A7 3 or get the A7 4..........Im already wanting the A7R 4 for that 61.0mp resolution.
Спасибо, классный обзор!!! Хотелось бы еще сравнение автофокуса в темноте.
Really good comparison...but in my country the Nikon D850 is 4,000 dollars for body only..where as the Sony a7iii is 2500 for body only...so as a hobbyist I can only afford the Sony A7 iii..by the time you add G master glass...or similar...it gets pricey..
That is a drastic price difference. The Sony A7R3 is a really great camera though, don't sell yourself short!
Which Sony out the two are good for Landscaped,Sport and Portrait
I am choosing the model
Thank you! This was very well done, an enjoyable learning experience. You covered all the points beautifully and helped me decide which Sony camera to buy next! The only aspect that was missed was the additional usability of the Sonys because of IBIS. It really makes a difference sometimes between catching the shot or missing it. Thanks again.
hey jm, thanks for checking out our video! we're happy it was able to help you out. IBIS is a great point! thanks for your insight.
One thing that may concern pros or even avid amateurs is the ergonomics. I hand hold my camera for sessions that are 2 plus hours in length. The form factor on the Sony’s is so small that I have heard people complain about there not being enough space between the grip and the lens, mainly the larger 70-200 lens, and their knuckles being sore from pressing against the lens. I shoot a Nikon D850 and love it. I don’t do much if any video and I love the ergonomics. I think all 3 cameras are great and leaving Canon in the dust, for now. For me and my use as a professional portrait and landscape photographer Nikon was the best choice for me. Yes I wish they would have in camera stabilization.
hey, definitely something to consider.
On the topic of exposure accuracy or bias between the Nikon and Sony, and also giving another tool addressing the recovery capabilities in RAW digital files, my Sony A7iii has the ability to fine tune the “Exposure Sandard Adjust” for each of the five metering modes. My Canons do not have this capability and I have never heard any discussion of Nikon having this ability to fine tune your meter bias in 1/6 stop increments for a more accurate base meter reading for each individuals style of shooting. The “Zone System” did not work if your meter was not calibrated properly (as well as your technique in applying it). There is a difference in the manufacturers bias in metering and this is the first tool I’ve seen to make it your own rather than the old exposure comp dial permanently set at -1/3 etc.
thanks for your insight!
Where are the long lenses for the Sony's. So if you need 600mm f4 glass what do you use, an adapter and a Nikon/Canon lens? How well do they track fast moving objects like birds in flight, racecars, motorcycles etc? Can you switch autofocus modes instantly with programmable buttons while shooting? I could be biased as I need and use those with my D850/D500's. When mirrorless can do everything I need better than what I already have then I will be switching. They already can do some things better just not everything yet.
yeah sony is a bit behind when it comes to native glass
wasn't surprised at the Cont-AF test results since the A7RIII uses the same sensor as the A7RII with the same amount of AF focus points, while the A7III sensor is pretty much the little brother of the A9's, with the main difference being it's not stacked.
interesting good to know!
When you compare resolution (as in megapixel), then look at the linear difference. I.e. pixels resolution horizontal. MP ratio:
24 100%
42.2 176%
45.7 190%
H Linear ratio:
6000 100%
7952 133%
8288 138%
hey thanks for doing this research. i'm sure it would be helpful for someone on here!
I absolutely LOVE How in depth this comparison is!
Good to hear. Thanks for your comment!
I don't know about video, but my favorite for photography would be Sony A73 or Nikon D850. If you don't need pixel shift, which I find I don't need for landscape, because I can do better with image processing. D850 is then king of resolution, but I find the A73 design desirable. However, I prefer the D850's viewfinder.
yeah. it's too bad the a73 and the d850 can't just get together in a room and have a baby. because then you'd get the best of both worlds.
The video looks very soft even at 1080p on RUclips. What did you use to film it? In addition, Sony does not have a 50/1.4 GM. That's a Sony/ZEISS Planar T* FE 1.4/50 ZA.
hey zeckson chow chon wai. thanks for checking out our video. we used the c200 to film this. maybe we missed the focus?
For the Noise test you should also zoom in on the detail area to see if you're losing details / sharpness to noise suppression, perhaps one looks like it has less noise but it also has some noise suppression removing details where the noisier one does not.
thanks ben for your suggestions. we are always trying to make these reviews better!
I personally own an A7III and its really sharp. However its in landscape and architectural shots where the A7RIII really shows its versatility, as you can be a bit more flexible with cropping. Also, it maxmizes your arsenal of lenses by giving it an pseudo-extended reach in super 35 mode ✌🏻✌🏻
AT 29:49 you said the A7Riii on the right...... but that was labeled A7R. did you say it wrong or were the images labeled backward?
I am sure I must have said it wrong. Thanks for watching.
Great video has helped me make my decision going with the a7iii. Thank you 👍
hey kenny, thanks for checking out our video!
As far as I know the Nikon D850 doesn't have AA filter, also from what I understand the A7III does have AA filter
yeah the d850 doesn't have a low pass filter we were wrong on that one.
Great review! I see a couple really good mentions in the comments below.
-Using the same lens on all bodies for testing resolution would be a good idea. I suggest the sharpest Sigma ART you can find in the center (testing the sensor, not the lens).
-Testing Nikon's ISO 64 for dynamic range.
-Doing a little bit of noise reduction then downsampling the D850 and A7R III's files to compare them with the A7 III, because to me it's more about how much clean detail you can get with the camera you got.
hey thanks for your thoughts! we will keep it in mind for next time
The Slanted Lens Awesome! And I love your videos, please keep them coming!
hello, what do you think now, with last firmware upadates, regarding autofocus a7riii vs a7iii
One of the best videos regarding these latest cameras. Thank you for the detailed studys, I'm going to comb through your channel.
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I did.
I just got an A7R3-A today and first impression was disappointment in how cheap the build quality felt as in flimsy plastic doors and even the buttons, menus, layout and view finder isn't too good (I've shot Nikon DSLRs for 20 years). The reason I bought a Sony is Nikon could never seem to get their video tracking right and Sony video seems to be top notch. I'm hoping the Sony will also be able to out perform my latest Nikon which is a D750.... that was such a great camera (minus the video). Good test! I was thinking Nikon would blow away Sony in the still shots catagory but I guess maybe Sony has improved quite a bit in the last few years. For the money, you would think Sony could take a look at Nikon and improve their materials, fit and finish.
Yeah, it seems they all have their strengths. Thanks for your comment!
It’s funny that with thise same pictures, my eyes say Nikon D850’ pictures are the best in any condition and the most consistent... looks like your eyes are made differently than mine
Agreed, just watched a completely different RUclips video between the two, and the Nikon D850 just beat it...much depends on what usage you need the camera for. Personally, they could take out 'everything' in the camera that has to do with video, as I never use it, but then there are a few that might use it more than for stills! Trying to fill the need for both seems silly to me, as if I want a video camera, I'd buy a single use 'video' camera, and not a DSLR or mirrorless. Being a Landscape photographer....either would work, but, I have lots of Nikon glass, so that's what I'll be buying as upgrades.
EXIF data in your shots imply the D850 was at ISO 320, with the Sonys on 200 for the moving AF test and at 100 for resolution. Of course you did not edit those data. ...
Tested the Sony's at WPPI...still bought the D850...and have not looked back.
glad you were able to find a camera that worked for you. what was your deciding factor?
The Slanted Lens...the feel in the hands, the construction magnesium with carbon fibre...oh my 😎, (picture quality was good on both even on your video I believe its splitting hairs), used to Nikon s menu system from my D500, I have lots of Nikon glass so to start over...😵. One of the specs that had me on the fence was the continuous exposure view...as it turned out both my D500 and D850 have it in live view...the D850 also has focus peaking for when using my Voigtlander 58mm 1.4 and has electronic shutter...so I don't see Sony in my near future.
hey joe, yeah it's hard to switch when you're already so invested in one lens system. the form factor and menu system is both really great on the nikon as well.
I can see that her eyelashes are sharper with the d850 than the a7r3.. this sort of outdoor test using a model is prone to human error.. you should have tested it in a controlled environment, also, you have to use the same lens for all camera’s to make the test fair
in any case, the results are extremely close, so if i will pick my first full frame, it will have to be based on the focusing system accuracy, iso performance for stills, variety of lenses available.
Thank you for the post. Are you using the latest Sony a7RIII firmware; they have in=mproved the general and specific autofocus functions.
hmm i'm not sure actually. i should check on that!!
Hi, downloading files from does that take for ever with an i7 16gb ram? or using them in lightroom?
Processing speeds are a concern with large megapixel sensors. But that is the beauty of Lightroom, it is a virtual look at the image.
These where my the choices right now as well. I'm definitely going with the a7iii after doing all the research. It would have been nice if you can do some glass comparison between these cameras
hey jihad, thanks for checking out our review. we suggest you try testing out those lenses and see which ones you like best.
The Nikon D850 video with the hairdryer was far better than both Sony.
I have a D850 and impressed but considering a low light 24mpixel mirrorless camera aswell although D850 is a pretty good all-rounder
Good to hear you are happy with your D850!
Sir. Best camera for faimly photography. Amazing sharpnes excilent lowlight and dalylight crisp photos....a7c a7iii a7riii. Nikond850. Plzzzz guide me
Right now the 3 best cameras are the Sony a7 IV, the Sony a7R V, the Canon R6 II or Panasonic S5 II.
@@TheSlantedLens sir my budght is small.. i want used 2hand camera for personal uses.. a7rii..a7riii..a7iii..a7c ..nikon d850..nikon z50..nikon d750...which camera top class images quality and 5.6 year running life with best feature
I own the a7iii and I just love it. The a7ii is not quick on focus I stop using it for weddings but the a7iii focus is point on. The a7ii is great for portraits but not for nothing else as far as action work.
hey steve, thanks for your insight. glad to hear that you found the camera that works for you
Great review, as always, guys. However, the D850 has no low pass filter, either. Wondering why the a7riii is so much sharper. Lens?
hey seth, thanks for catching our mistake! sorry, we're only human, right? the a7riii has more megapixels which could be a factor. but the nikon supposedly had a bad 50mm on it.
The Slanted Lens More megapixels , that's interesting hmm ???
Haha! The beginning cracked me up. It’s ironic that the Canon and Nikon folks teamed up to bash the new A7III and r, when Canon isn’t even in the same league any longer and Nikon is using Sony Sensors. Keep up the entertaining and informative videos.
hey robert. thanks for watching! glad we could get a few laughs.
The EXIF data imply at least some of the Sony shots were made with in-body stabilization switched on. Shooting from tripod this is not necessary and I wonder if switching it off frees up CPU time for e.g. eye/face tracking.
hmmm interesting. we will need to test that out next time.
Although there are a few flaws in this review, I think it is one of the most useful reviews on these cameras out there. Thanks for making it. One suggestion I have is that I think there should have been more attention paid to color rendition between these 3 cameras.
thanks for your thoughts. we will take it into consideration.
Thank you very much for your video. Very investing. I don't know much about photography. If you had used a Nikon Lense instead of a Sony (apparently, a 50mm), would the results have been even better for the D850 ?
lens choice does matter. a good lens is better than an ok camera. a sharp glass with less adorations will give you better results. if you're just starting out, just work with what you have until you feel comfortable spending more money on gear
Thank you for your answer. Does it make sense to change a Canon EOS 100D (EOS Rebel SL1) for one of this camera? I never tried a digital full frame camera. And it is hard to know if there is a big difference for photography (and video).
Why didn't you guys downsample the big mega pixel cameras down to the a7iii for the ISO grain test?
hi lirc, we didn't because we were just comparing the cameras as is. one of the features of the a7r and d850 is that they have more megapixels so we wanted to see how they faired.
The Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G is not one of the better Nikon lenses (nikon doesn't have a really good 50mm lens currently) and I suspect that is the main reason the Nikon images didn't look as good as the Sony and as far as I am aware, the D850 doesn't have a low pass filter. I suspect if you had used a 3rd party lens (with an adapter for Sony) for the sharpness test you would have got a better result, otherwise you are really only testing the lens.
hey michael, thanks for your insight. we try to make these tests as 'scientific' as we can, but we are more concerned about 'real-world' application.
The problem with the 'real-world' application is most shooters with the D850, probably are not going to use the Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G, just because it is a very average lens (though the 50mm f/1.4G is just as bad (and the 58mm f/1.4G is even worse (for sharpness) OMG, you are completely screwed if you want to shoot with a 50mm Nikon lens (though the Sigma 50mm Art is sharp, as is the Tamron 45mm and I love the Zeiss 50mm Milvus))). :P
haha we try to do the tests with a 50 since that's close to what your eye sees. but i see your point. we should try to do a little more research with lens choice. it's hard to get 'good' lenses for both systems sometimes that are also the same focal length.
Nikon's own glass just suck in general!
Not really, Nikon has a few lenses that are not up to modern standards. Both 50mm G lenses are not great, the 58mm f/1.4G sacrifices sharpness for bokah wide open but is good stopped down a little. Their 35mm f/1.4 is ok but not considered one of the best 35mm lenses. The old 24-70mm f/2.8G VRII has very bad focus breathing at 200mm and the 16-35mm f/4 isn't that sharp compared to the Canon 16-35mm f/2.8 II (though the Canon is much more expensive (maybe it should be compared to the Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8). Personally I dislike the 85mm f/1.4G (which has good reviews generally) but the colours are very anaemic. The 135mm f/2 DC is a good lens but has been surpassed by more modern 135mm lenses. The current 24-70mm f/2.8 VRII isn't as sharp in the centre as the older 24-70mm f/2.8 but has better all round sharpenss, it is also huge compared to other 24-70mm and the Tamron 24-70mm offers much better value.
Also I am not a fan of the modern build quality of quite a few of their prime lenses.
But the Current Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8F is probably the best 70-200mm on the market, the 105mm f/1.4E is better than most other 85-105mm primes, the 14-24mm f/2.8 is getting on a bit but still gives great results. The 24mm f/1.4 is an amazingly good lens, all the Nikkor primes over 135mm are amazingly good. The 20mm f/1.8G is a great lens.
So whilst there are some lenses which I would say are not great (I am being very picky) none of these lenses are unusable and most people will only notice the flaws when pixel peeping.
Deam, thats brutaly savage intro of throwing canon :D
our assistant was really nervous about catching it but she did a great job.
8 minutes in while reviewing the eye you stated that the Nikon D850 has an no optical low-pass filter. It does not.
Seems like a Nikon fan boys’ review to me. You are saying that Nikon’s face detection can keep up with Sony’s eye focus? And you used f2.8? Why didn’t you use f1.8 or 1.4 and not walk in straight line? It is the field of depth that makes the difference. Maybe add to the title “from Nikon users”?
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