Don’t mind it too much but I do mind how he played it postflop. Postflop, I don’t think villain is raising with a set on such a dry board so I would’ve backraised to see where I’m at. Hero has also underreppd his hand so much at this point that the villain thinks he could make him fold any suited 7x combo
@@seanariamd9581 if he hit a 7, he’s likely not folding to re-raise postflop seeing that he’s an action player. This way hero gets back control of the hand and not be put in a tough spot which you do state in your other comment here.
@@drdrayfromla99 you should never backraise to "see where you're at". Villain can definitely protect his sets and straight draws with a raise when SB has dead money in the pot.
It depends on how bad the player is. If they're completely clueless I'd consider min 3-betting from the BB because they might still call for 90. Calling is a fine play too
“I’m going to slow play a strong hand. That way my opponent will make a big bet while I’m winning!” Opponent makes big bet. “He made a big bet. I’m probably losing and should hero fold.”
People make this mistake so often. Slow playing is a play you make to induce this kind of spewy nonsense yet people routinely lose their nerve and fold. Good on the caller for sticking tonhis guns against an action player.
If the villain doesn't have't many bluffs given the board texture, then yeah you can consider folding even when your plan was to induce. Maybe you commit to calling down if he's a complete maniac and could bluff with air, but just because you're trapping doesn't mean you have to commit to calling down in literally every scenario.
In my experience... players who choose to limp Aces (not this case), or flat Aces because they are worried about pushing people out of the pot... have too tight a raising range.
Had a reg in SNGs who alway open limped hands in late position that he was willing to call shoves with. Scored in many SNGs by shoving ATC on his late open raises and limping behind hands like JT that could win his stack if it beat big pairs. Miss that guy.
People do not limp aces to not push people out of the pot, the most common reason to limp aces is to 3 bet any raise. This only happens from UTG and maybe UTG+1. People that do this think they are tricky but it is very obvious once you know it happens. There is a lot more limping live than online, but normally people limp small pairs, bad suited aces and small suited connectors they like and if you raise these people will not put a 3 bet in with this stuff. So when someone in EP limps and then puts in a massive 3! That is AA most of the time.
I slow played AA only 1 time in my whole life . 2/5 game at my local casino , we have this Rich Spewtard Lawyer who comes once or twice a month , doesn’t lose the poker room until he loses like 5000$, makes everyone happy. There was one wild day he won like 28K in 2/5 like he was literally hitting every draw , flush or straight or gutter whatever u call it. This one day , I was really deep like 2750, made 2000$ profit that day & here comes the spewtard Whale 🐳 Lawyer. He sits down, all players reload for a 1000$ more , he sits with the biggest stack for like 4000$(match the stack). 20 hands later , I looked down at AA. Reg opens to 25, Lawyer makes it 200, I was in SB, my idea was to keep the pot small , check call down river. I called 200 & reg immediately folded. Flop 952, I checked , Lawyer went all in for 4000$, dream flop for me , best possible flop I could ever imagine , I knew Lawyer would always go all in with over pairs , I snap called , asked him if he wants to run it twice , he said “I only run it once & I have the best hand “. I was like “Oh Shit ! Lawyer has top set of 99?? Here goes all my profit” . I called “ He said u have A9 right ??? “ , I said “ No the 9 is another A.” He was like “u should be F kidding me “ & flipped KK. Board ran clean & I scooped. He then said “ We could have played a big pot , if u re-raised me pre” , I said “ Isn’t All-in the biggest pot ?? 😂😂” . Lawyer gets felted & left the room immediately as I slow played AA & dint raise him pre flop, whole poker table was mad 😡 at me for making the Lawyer leave Lawyers biggest achievement was 5-b jamming for 3600$ with 93dd from the BB against AA & QQ & flop came 993 😂😂
I guess it depends on what the initial read on that player was? I imagine there are very different sorts of overly aggressive players. If it is something like this player open too wide and pretty much always continues post flop, but rarely bluffs the river it is very different from this player throws large value bets with hands they really shouldn't. If the assumption was the villain is value betting any over pair 10 or better then it should be a fairly easy call because worst case scenario they have 15 sets (assuming they are also the type that would bet 5s post flop hoping for a fold) pretty much no reasonable straights (2 A4s maybe?) so 17 combinations if you include some hands that could easily not be in their range. While he beats Js Qs Ks (plus splits As) so 18 combinations + bluffs. However if the read was they are almost never bluffing especially with the SB already all in and only value betting something like Ks and better there folding to the jam looks pretty good. From the caller's description it seems their main worry is they never really thought more about what exactly the initial read on that player was when deciding their plays. If that is the case then I guess whether or not it was correct for them to call there is irrelevant because the process wasn't fully there.
I'm glad he called. Usually if you're slow playing Aces with his particular read on an action player, it's against a player that can barrel off and show up with anything lol.
What gives this away as a bluff is the old levelling logic: what does villain think hero has? Given the pre-flop flat and general passive play, hero looks like he's got A7s or something similar. If villain beats A7s and is trying to get value from it, his sizing is all wrong - A7 (or any one pair 7) is folding to the shove. Hero has never presented strength, so the shove is never for value. Ergo villain is clearly bluffing.
So what does his value do? Check? And if he is bluffing like that and getting called, why wouldn't he valuebet like that? Such stupid logic lol. Sidenote: A7 is a better bluff catcher here than AA, so if you call AA you have to call your A7. Not that the general population does that, but that's how it should be.
The shove is nearly 2x main pot ($1460 into $800). If villain beats a 7, and wants to get value from a 7, they should perhaps bet $400-$500. The overbet only makes sense if the villain, for some reason thinks the hero has a really strong hand, which the hero has never represented at any point.
@@zagzigmusic5021 The sidepot is still part of the pot and should be counted in (even though doing it correctly is a lot of work). The "overbet" (which of course is not an overbet) also makes sense, and if you adjust your sizes because you put your opponent on certain hands, then you're gonna miss out on value longterm. Think about your range vs Villains range, and what sizings certain parts of your range want to bet/don't want to bet, not what your opponent might call with if he has a certain hand. V is extremely polarized here between sets and a few bluffs and maybe A4s, so any other sizing than an all in is a big mistake here. I'm pretty sure a solver would never bet small in this spot. You can of course make the argument, that exploitatively betting small to get a crying call out of a couple of hands makes sense, but good players will figure you out.
“I’m going to slow play my aces to allow my opponents to bluff or value own themselves.” “My opponent is doing what I wanted them to do maybe I should told” If you can’t buckle up and go along for the ride don’t slow play.
Playing 230bb deep, he would have had to make a really big 3bet to get mp to fold playable hands. So essentially he could win a small pot or risk a lot in questionable spots.
@@pinitsiser4285 he would've won a pot over 100bb if he had just isolated SB with a 4x 3! from the BB. I think that's standard especially in Bellagio 5/10.
I always say if you are going to play AA as a trap here against a maniac, or spewy player, then you have to call down, you can't get scared. That said you are going to lose sometimes. I know this player type I would stick with the plan and call down. Against a more standard player type I would fold (but I also wouldn't play AA like this as a trap multiway, maybe if I was SB v BB).
I just love how you analyze a hand and then end the analysis with an ambiguous question or ambiguous answer. There was like one combo of pocket 7 that beat the guy. I would never fold here.
@@sinatra222 good luck winning a lot with aces on this board slow played. If I did what this guy did I would've mucked by the turn. Sets are everywhere, even stupid two pairs.
If you've got a player pegged for very loose aggressive and you're not looking to double up, why are you playing this game? Has the concept of pot odds totally left the building? AA up against a chip spewer is a way to sure success over the long haul playing poker.
People slow play aces , trying to create a huge pot and usually lose to low suited connected cards , but then the announcer says it's a cooler . yet it isn't . I see it a lot at the larger Holdem games I watch now days , and I think it serves them right , because a little win is better than a loss .
No way, they play everything and it can get tough to know where your at. I like playing better players any day than the random card manic. Calls your 3 bet just because the cards are suited and it looks "like a pretty hand". Fold that trash.
If he shows up with 5d4d, can we assume he shows up with 5s4s and 5c4c which would give us our 3 combos of bluffs? Can Villain have 32s as well? If we assume like Bart that he has maybe 6 combos of sets and 2 combos of 32s, I think we still have the right odds to call. Also, it's live poker vs an action player so you can't discount a random spaz as well so that would give you the 0.2 combos you are missing for break even call 😂
When someone says action player maybe we need to be clearer or give some examples. Some bluffs by crazy players have no logic. V could also easily have KK or QQ here. Fish just love to be unexpected and get you to level yourself into doing the wrong thing some of the time.
Agree, and some fish play 90% of hands and call down post flop with any pair. But they only raise post flop with more nutted hands. There was no discussion on the tendencies of the villain other than he was losing money and playing a lot of hands.
I’m going to say you have to raise preflop to A- force out the garbage hands B-define your opponent’s hand so your not all kinds of lost at any point in the hand. C- get as much money in the pot as possible with the best hand. Let the cards fall how they may. I am curious to know why we discount Qs Js and maybe 9s? SB did have Qs so why are we not at least putting them in the equation?
I think the cards that came out are all cards that benefit a non (or small) preflop raise. And so it would be difficult for me to go all the way with just an over pair. It’s so easy and so many combos of cards here that crack you
Besides the call pre flop, I would have played the hand the same way with the call. Small blind we all knew had KK or QQ type of hand for sure. Good call on the end.
I don’t get why Bart laughs at the “if you call the turn, you have to call the river on blanks” concept. Especially when the 10 hits the river, this is a must call. When you call the turn, What river are you hoping for? It might be the best card in the deck.
I guess you’re hoping for them to give up and check behind on the river, which some players might do with 54. Also 88/99 (assuming V limp-calls those preflop) would probably check behind on the river.
As played, I most likely call the turn. The sb range is weighted to smaller over pairs. I would probably fold on the end with the pot somewhat protected. We only beat bluffs or over played hands. People generally don't bluff or over play hands in this spot. It worked out but I think the call on the end is a - EV play.
If MP is loose action player and you find a call on the turn, calling a blank river can’t be bad. Like if a bd flush or 1 to a straight gets there then maybe you can fold the river. Folding the turn seems fine as well.
I also think its good to flat AA in a spot where putting in a raise pre looks incredibly strong. Like EP v EP either 3b or 4b. I think this spot is an especially bad spot to trap AA is bc SB is isoing the fish at the table. Any reg will recognize this spot and widen their 3b range. The SB should also recognize this dynamic. So IMO its mandatory to put in more money pre w AA in this spot.
Kinda hate how this was played as explained, but if the goal had been to let the maniac bliss down like crazy and call down regardless, I kinda like it more. If he was actually nearly folding both the last two streets... then what are we doing here?
Couldn't disagree with Bart more. Based on Villains description this is a snap call. I know this type of player. He is not raising a set here. EVER. This was a dream run out and you only lose to TTT, T5 and 75 on the river. The AA was so underrepped and hero played it like that for this exact situation. It's a dream flop. The scariest thing on turn is villain can have any hearts draw, but that misses so according to all the facts in play villains bluffs outnumber his value by 10:1 or more imo...
Because he didn’t re-raise preflop. You would probably see a backraise preflop from the villain if he had those holdings trying to set a trap by just limping initially
9 times out of 10 when you try to play it tricky, you end up being the player that has no idea where they’re at. You need to tell yourself “I’m under repped here” and just go with it.
RE villain turn bet: Sounds like he has an overpair as well so I would be happy to have aces - I mean is he raising the flop with 4 6? A 4 with only a gutter to a 5? Only other option is a set I think…
Sept. 17, 2022 . . . The day I came to realize that I might possibly suck at poker. The only way I'm not calling this river bet is if I have no chips because I check-shoved the turn - which is very likely what I did. Is this play seriously so bad that it doesn't even merit consideration ?
Im pretty new to poker but i find myself in this situation sometimes , i mean as villian and when I miss my draw the only way i can win the pot is to bluff, so when im hero in this spot i can be pretty sure villain is . bluffing,
I think if you get dealt A's, you have to move all in pre flop. I would go all in with K's too. The longer the game goes on, the weaker your A's will become. And this is knowing that people would probably fold pre flop. Take the blinds and move on.
Incidentally, the main villain kinda botched this from square one. When the SB slides 10% of his stack into the pot preflop he's almost promising to bet the flop, and 54/s doesn't flop Yahtzee very often. (Plus he still has Hero to contend with). By the way, what did the SB have ?
I was thinking at least one of them had an under pair to the Aces with a 5BB opening bet, maybe both. I think I would have jammed on the turn, but then I'm sure the 5,4 would have folded.
If you are going to slow play AA at least do it from a better position than the BB. But raising is better, most times I want to get more money in the pot up front with AA. Get rid of the limpers and get heads up where I am a 4-1 favorite no matter what the villian has.
Yea even a action donkey might call the 3bet from the BB thinking "oh ill have position and they are just blinds trying to raise a limper out".AA is always to good not to raise,unless maybe a spaz if behind you a loves to squeeze
Ideal caller. Honest about his lack of analysis to call, and overall he never tried to talk over Bart.. Callers, learn from this man...when Bart is talking, stfu.
You shouldn’t lie to the guy and tell him on certain river cards he might find a fold. On that board with that disguised hand, he should not be folding for any size bet.
Pot odds alone make getting it in and building a side pot a no-brainer. If the long haul perspective is taken into account, you're going to do very well over your playing career getting it in here. Just like the card counter in Blackjack, when the count is deep in your favor you gotta get those big bets out there CONSISTENTLY regardless of what current variance is running.
I don't find anything wrong with the slow play. What I found wrong is that he should have been out of the hand as things progressed. Granted it's all situational, and table dynamics take a front seat above all else, this caller seems highly intelligent. However there is a reason tight players don't get invited to the biggest games. Especially a smart one.
What I don’t get is the villain description...If I’m doing a non-standard play like this to bring in a bad player, I have a plan to attack the bad player, I have a description of what the bad player does bad, etc. Hero here says he’s bad but not why - does he call way too much? Bluff too much with questionable things? What does he do wrong? That description or knowledge probably makes it an easy shrug-call unless he’s usually a calling station that spazzed out here. Anyways, surprised A7h never came up as a possible hand, obvious limp, flop top pair and raise to see where I’m at, continue betting with flush draw, then go for it...
You have to call. Why do you limp, hoping the action player will spew, to fold? He could have 76hh 78hh 88 99 JJ AXhh. He’s thinking level one. Villain is thinking I have a pair and he can have all the suited Broadways AK/AQ and could call my shove, or I have nothing and can bluff shove.
The rest of your ideas in the hand were very sharky though with the bluff infrequency and the side pot. MP had zero intention of the small blind calling 250 on 450 he’s probably like wtf 😂
When I was thinking of blank rivers that aces could call off on I swear to god my first thought was a queen or jack but then I remembered that the small blind almost had to have some sort of big overpair. The ten or nine on the river is one of the best possible cards other than a seven duece or three.
You have to be quite knowledgeable to understand when limping aces is, or will be, going sideways. If you don’t know how to evaluate where you’re at in a hand, well, you’re going to be losing a lot of money regardless of if you limp, or raise, with aces.
He open limped and then just called. If he did have JJ or whatever then he would almost certainly 3 bet. Yeah he can have 88, but most of those hands are raising pre, not limp calling.
@@mjriemen without rewatching the video the hero played aces passively here. If he's doing that with aces others surely could do that with jacks. Seems like this is a weak game. In my local games a lot of morons play mid pairs like this. They play them like dueces and only if they flop a set or the cards all come low do they start firing. At which point they are very often over-valuing or protecting their middling over pair to the board. You make a good point though.
@@kentdavies1988 aces are much less vulnerable. With JJ over half the time an overcard will land on the flop. With AA there are no overcards. So people are much more inclined to slow play AA.
This is exactly what you wanted to happen when you just called the small blinds raise. You wanted the fish in the hand. And you wanted him to make bad plays. The plan worked out.
Thinks mp is a total donk. Also can’t see any bluffs? Lmao how about ace 8? Jq? Kt? YOU THINK HE IS A SPEWY DONK do you really think he constructs ranges?
Eeeeeezzzzz call/call/call on that board and given how you slow played your aces for this very result. You look like you have 88-99/A7 so his jam is trying to get a fold. I would actually be more concerned if he went for like 700-900 on river because that looks like he wants a call.
Also, 87s is possible candidate for a hand that he could have and the villain will try to bully hands like this very often when they are hyper-aggressive. Plus the fact that the guy was beating everyone at the table which a lot of times it means they have boosted confidence and can try to bluff more often.
i took a chance and limped them under the gun the other day. good thing my field is so much dumber than me. not that the site which shall go nameless doesn't lend them a hand. i don't care, if it wasn't a clip joint, the games would dry up yesterday.
Bart is such a nit "He has to have 2.5 x values to bluffs but what's really a bluff here? These guys limp in with 77s sometimes. He can have 9 sets." Oooh nine sets. Then they both agree that ONLY 4 5 is a bluff here. REally?? What about 87 (12 combos), 67 (12 combos), pocket 8s(6), 9s (6), js(6), 4s(6), 89 (16), then just broadway cards which really explodes the combinations to practically the hundreds, Also overvalued Ax combos? He told you he's an "action player" border line maniac coming in with anything. Let me translate that : "THEY DON"T THINK LIKE YOU. THEY DON"T THINK LIKE YOU. THEY DON"T THINK LIKE YOU". I played at $2/$5 today and made $2000 in 10 minutes (God's honest truth). Why? Because their were a lot of these crazy splashy players willing to get it all in thin. ONe guy was such a spaz he blasted it for 300 BBs with mid pair. I had top pair and tank called. Next guy had top pair and flush draw and I nailed a flush on the turn. I tank checked called all the way to the river and then he suddenly jammed and lost $1000. You're not up against Phil Ivey here. You gotta adjust to the player types. What I see over and over again is "Well, ok, he's a pretty crazy player so I'm not going to assume AAs or KKs here. Let's downgrade that to AK or maybe just Qs, lol"
Oooh ... small blind had Qs ... V bluffing to get the (huge) side pot from H ... nice try buddy (not really as I said, the board really hits typical blind ranges ... just not this time with Qs and As in the blinds 😂
Or even two pair. Was lucky villain flopped OESD and then paired his hand on the turn. Villain lost some equity on the turn, because you don’t want to pair your OESD in that spot. V immediately went for gold and started turning his hand into a bluff. An A on the river and H gets stacked. A 6 on the river and H may not call. The turn and river were really good cards for the H against the V’s specific hand. That T is about as brick as it gets.
This has never happened at any casino I've ever played at, so when it gets down to heads up, does the floor decide who's the Hero and strap on a cape and the Villain has to put on devil horns, and then the betting continues? 😂
What do we think of the slowplay here preflop with AA in order to bring the action player into the hand from behind?
Don’t mind it too much but I do mind how he played it postflop. Postflop, I don’t think villain is raising with a set on such a dry board so I would’ve backraised to see where I’m at. Hero has also underreppd his hand so much at this point that the villain thinks he could make him fold any suited 7x combo
I don't hate it but I would prefer if we were in position instead. Like a configuration of MP vs CO vs BTN something like that.
@@seanariamd9581 if he hit a 7, he’s likely not folding to re-raise postflop seeing that he’s an action player. This way hero gets back control of the hand and not be put in a tough spot which you do state in your other comment here.
@@drdrayfromla99 you should never backraise to "see where you're at". Villain can definitely protect his sets and straight draws with a raise when SB has dead money in the pot.
It depends on how bad the player is. If they're completely clueless I'd consider min 3-betting from the BB because they might still call for 90. Calling is a fine play too
“I’m going to slow play a strong hand. That way my opponent will make a big bet while I’m winning!”
Opponent makes big bet.
“He made a big bet. I’m probably losing and should hero fold.”
🤣💯
Exactly!
People make this mistake so often. Slow playing is a play you make to induce this kind of spewy nonsense yet people routinely lose their nerve and fold. Good on the caller for sticking tonhis guns against an action player.
If the villain doesn't have't many bluffs given the board texture, then yeah you can consider folding even when your plan was to induce. Maybe you commit to calling down if he's a complete maniac and could bluff with air, but just because you're trapping doesn't mean you have to commit to calling down in literally every scenario.
@@gregbrown4261 you do have to call down when you’ve underrepresented your hand strength and the villain could be value betting worse.
In my experience... players who choose to limp Aces (not this case), or flat Aces because they are worried about pushing people out of the pot... have too tight a raising range.
Had a reg in SNGs who alway open limped hands in late position that he was willing to call shoves with. Scored in many SNGs by shoving ATC on his late open raises and limping behind hands like JT that could win his stack if it beat big pairs. Miss that guy.
People do not limp aces to not push people out of the pot, the most common reason to limp aces is to 3 bet any raise. This only happens from UTG and maybe UTG+1. People that do this think they are tricky but it is very obvious once you know it happens. There is a lot more limping live than online, but normally people limp small pairs, bad suited aces and small suited connectors they like and if you raise these people will not put a 3 bet in with this stuff. So when someone in EP limps and then puts in a massive 3! That is AA most of the time.
I slow played AA only 1 time in my whole life . 2/5 game at my local casino , we have this Rich Spewtard Lawyer who comes once or twice a month , doesn’t lose the poker room until he loses like 5000$, makes everyone happy. There was one wild day he won like 28K in 2/5 like he was literally hitting every draw , flush or straight or gutter whatever u call it. This one day , I was really deep like 2750, made 2000$ profit that day & here comes the spewtard Whale 🐳 Lawyer. He sits down, all players reload for a 1000$ more , he sits with the biggest stack for like 4000$(match the stack). 20 hands later , I looked down at AA. Reg opens to 25, Lawyer makes it 200, I was in SB, my idea was to keep the pot small , check call down river. I called 200 & reg immediately folded. Flop 952, I checked , Lawyer went all in for 4000$, dream flop for me , best possible flop I could ever imagine , I knew Lawyer would always go all in with over pairs , I snap called , asked him if he wants to run it twice , he said “I only run it once & I have the best hand “. I was like “Oh Shit ! Lawyer has top set of 99?? Here goes all my profit” . I called “ He said u have A9 right ??? “ , I said “ No the 9 is another A.” He was like “u should be F kidding me “ & flipped KK. Board ran clean & I scooped. He then said “ We could have played a big pot , if u re-raised me pre” , I said “ Isn’t All-in the biggest pot ?? 😂😂” . Lawyer gets felted & left the room immediately as I slow played AA & dint raise him pre flop, whole poker table was mad 😡 at me for making the Lawyer leave
Lawyers biggest achievement was 5-b jamming for 3600$ with 93dd from the BB against AA & QQ & flop came 993 😂😂
"I"m going to trap this maniac because he's going to do crazy shit" Maniac does crazy shit "Maybe I should fold now"
I guess it depends on what the initial read on that player was? I imagine there are very different sorts of overly aggressive players. If it is something like this player open too wide and pretty much always continues post flop, but rarely bluffs the river it is very different from this player throws large value bets with hands they really shouldn't.
If the assumption was the villain is value betting any over pair 10 or better then it should be a fairly easy call because worst case scenario they have 15 sets (assuming they are also the type that would bet 5s post flop hoping for a fold) pretty much no reasonable straights (2 A4s maybe?) so 17 combinations if you include some hands that could easily not be in their range. While he beats Js Qs Ks (plus splits As) so 18 combinations + bluffs.
However if the read was they are almost never bluffing especially with the SB already all in and only value betting something like Ks and better there folding to the jam looks pretty good.
From the caller's description it seems their main worry is they never really thought more about what exactly the initial read on that player was when deciding their plays. If that is the case then I guess whether or not it was correct for them to call there is irrelevant because the process wasn't fully there.
I'm glad he called. Usually if you're slow playing Aces with his particular read on an action player, it's against a player that can barrel off and show up with anything lol.
What gives this away as a bluff is the old levelling logic: what does villain think hero has? Given the pre-flop flat and general passive play, hero looks like he's got A7s or something similar. If villain beats A7s and is trying to get value from it, his sizing is all wrong - A7 (or any one pair 7) is folding to the shove. Hero has never presented strength, so the shove is never for value. Ergo villain is clearly bluffing.
So what does his value do? Check? And if he is bluffing like that and getting called, why wouldn't he valuebet like that? Such stupid logic lol. Sidenote: A7 is a better bluff catcher here than AA, so if you call AA you have to call your A7. Not that the general population does that, but that's how it should be.
The shove is nearly 2x main pot ($1460 into $800). If villain beats a 7, and wants to get value from a 7, they should perhaps bet $400-$500. The overbet only makes sense if the villain, for some reason thinks the hero has a really strong hand, which the hero has never represented at any point.
@@zagzigmusic5021 The sidepot is still part of the pot and should be counted in (even though doing it correctly is a lot of work). The "overbet" (which of course is not an overbet) also makes sense, and if you adjust your sizes because you put your opponent on certain hands, then you're gonna miss out on value longterm. Think about your range vs Villains range, and what sizings certain parts of your range want to bet/don't want to bet, not what your opponent might call with if he has a certain hand. V is extremely polarized here between sets and a few bluffs and maybe A4s, so any other sizing than an all in is a big mistake here. I'm pretty sure a solver would never bet small in this spot. You can of course make the argument, that exploitatively betting small to get a crying call out of a couple of hands makes sense, but good players will figure you out.
“I’m going to slow play my aces to allow my opponents to bluff or value own themselves.”
“My opponent is doing what I wanted them to do maybe I should told”
If you can’t buckle up and go along for the ride don’t slow play.
I don't like to slowplay aces if there is a possibility of a multi way flop. If it's heads up, maybe.
Exactly. Why would you want to blow off your equity going multi-way with someone who has you covered and in position.
Playing 230bb deep, he would have had to make a really big 3bet to get mp to fold playable hands. So essentially he could win a small pot or risk a lot in questionable spots.
@@pinitsiser4285 he would've won a pot over 100bb if he had just isolated SB with a 4x 3! from the BB. I think that's standard especially in Bellagio 5/10.
Once in a while overcall AA if there’s a maniac still to act but then you have to backraise.
Never flat with Aces, multiway especially, unless you are able to fold them on the Turn or River, on connected boards.
I always say if you are going to play AA as a trap here against a maniac, or spewy player, then you have to call down, you can't get scared. That said you are going to lose sometimes. I know this player type I would stick with the plan and call down. Against a more standard player type I would fold (but I also wouldn't play AA like this as a trap multiway, maybe if I was SB v BB).
I just love how you analyze a hand and then end the analysis with an ambiguous question or ambiguous answer. There was like one combo of pocket 7 that beat the guy. I would never fold here.
It’s better to win a little than lose a lot
Winning a lot beats both of these options
@@sinatra222 good luck winning a lot with aces on this board slow played. If I did what this guy did I would've mucked by the turn. Sets are everywhere, even stupid two pairs.
If you've got a player pegged for very loose aggressive and you're not looking to double up, why are you playing this game? Has the concept of pot odds totally left the building? AA up against a chip spewer is a way to sure success over the long haul playing poker.
Not wrong to try to hit a home run. Don't settle for singles.
People slow play aces , trying to create a huge pot and usually lose to low suited connected cards , but then the announcer says it's a cooler . yet it isn't . I see it a lot at the larger Holdem games I watch now days , and I think it serves them right , because a little win is better than a loss .
The dreaded low two pair from a fish is the standard AA killer.
Idk how Bart is not yelling at this guy
Maniacs are so special, we need more of them.
No way, they play everything and it can get tough to know where your at. I like playing better players any day than the random card manic. Calls your 3 bet just because the cards are suited and it looks "like a pretty hand". Fold that trash.
YES, they're the bringers of variance redistribution. If they didn't exist, this game would be so boring and video poker is more profitable.
If he shows up with 5d4d, can we assume he shows up with 5s4s and 5c4c which would give us our 3 combos of bluffs? Can Villain have 32s as well? If we assume like Bart that he has maybe 6 combos of sets and 2 combos of 32s, I think we still have the right odds to call. Also, it's live poker vs an action player so you can't discount a random spaz as well so that would give you the 0.2 combos you are missing for break even call 😂
But 32 suited beats us?
@@jacobgoldman5780 yes, that's what I'm saying. 6 combos of series and 2 combos of 32s for 8 combos that beat us.
When someone says action player maybe we need to be clearer or give some examples. Some bluffs by crazy players have no logic. V could also easily have KK or QQ here. Fish just love to be unexpected and get you to level yourself into doing the wrong thing some of the time.
Agree, and some fish play 90% of hands and call down post flop with any pair. But they only raise post flop with more nutted hands. There was no discussion on the tendencies of the villain other than he was losing money and playing a lot of hands.
Yeah, I play with players that will limp-call with QQ/KK/AA preflop and then just start barrelling off with them post flop.
I’m going to say you have to raise preflop to A- force out the garbage hands
B-define your opponent’s hand so your not all kinds of lost at any point in the hand.
C- get as much money in the pot as possible with the best hand. Let the cards fall how they may.
I am curious to know why we discount Qs Js and maybe 9s? SB did have Qs so why are we not at least putting them in the equation?
I think the cards that came out are all cards that benefit a non (or small) preflop raise. And so it would be difficult for me to go all the way with just an over pair. It’s so easy and so many combos of cards here that crack you
So, previous player action and knowledge accounts for nothing? SMH.
I see people do this with A7 and all overpairs...
I had sets, and some gutshot/combo draws in his range there. based on the numbers, I think that's a call.
If you flat AA and don't know what to do on later streets then .... don't flat AA!
Besides the call pre flop, I would have played the hand the same way with the call. Small blind we all knew had KK or QQ type of hand for sure. Good call on the end.
I don’t get why Bart laughs at the “if you call the turn, you have to call the river on blanks” concept. Especially when the 10 hits the river, this is a must call. When you call the turn, What river are you hoping for? It might be the best card in the deck.
I guess you’re hoping for them to give up and check behind on the river, which some players might do with 54. Also 88/99 (assuming V limp-calls those preflop) would probably check behind on the river.
@@seanariamd9581 Good explanation. Fair enough
As played, I most likely call the turn. The sb range is weighted to smaller over pairs.
I would probably fold on the end with the pot somewhat protected. We only beat bluffs or over played hands. People generally don't bluff or over play hands in this spot.
It worked out but I think the call on the end is a - EV play.
If MP is loose action player and you find a call on the turn, calling a blank river can’t be bad. Like if a bd flush or 1 to a straight gets there then maybe you can fold the river. Folding the turn seems fine as well.
Ironically SB was trying to trap the villain with QQ, so he had the same plan as Hero.
SB?
@@monkman-modest-genius-72 yes, sorry meant SB. thanks!
Trapping w 45
The SB was the preflop raiser, then C-bet the flop and called the raise. I don’t see how that’s trapping. It’s totally consistent with having QQ/KK.
SB played this well and was looking to double up threw Spewy. Guest caller is scared money.
I also think its good to flat AA in a spot where putting in a raise pre looks incredibly strong. Like EP v EP either 3b or 4b. I think this spot is an especially bad spot to trap AA is bc SB is isoing the fish at the table. Any reg will recognize this spot and widen their 3b range. The SB should also recognize this dynamic. So IMO its mandatory to put in more money pre w AA in this spot.
Flatting on the BB with AA vs a RFI from the SB is absolutely +EV
Yep.
@@StreetSoulLover came here to say this.
When you have Aces...everything you do is plus EV.
@@connman8d617 incorrect. Having AA in a bombpot 9 ways is not likely +EV 😏
@@sklee318 yes it is. In a bomb pot 9 ways Aces is still the most likely hand to win.
Kinda hate how this was played as explained, but if the goal had been to let the maniac bliss down like crazy and call down regardless, I kinda like it more. If he was actually nearly folding both the last two streets... then what are we doing here?
^THIS
Couldn't disagree with Bart more. Based on Villains description this is a snap call. I know this type of player. He is not raising a set here. EVER. This was a dream run out and you only lose to TTT, T5 and 75 on the river. The AA was so underrepped and hero played it like that for this exact situation. It's a dream flop. The scariest thing on turn is villain can have any hearts draw, but that misses so according to all the facts in play villains bluffs outnumber his value by 10:1 or more imo...
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You need to make sure your AA is playing in at least a 3-bet pot preflop.
Well that’s not always possible if you open and no one raises. Sometimes you have to play AA out of position in a single raise pot.
Seem like with aces you need to try in get it in pre flop other wise you win a small pot or lose a big flop.
What about JJ QQ KK? Why doesn’t he have these here?
Because he didn’t re-raise preflop. You would probably see a backraise preflop from the villain if he had those holdings trying to set a trap by just limping initially
9 times out of 10 when you try to play it tricky, you end up being the player that has no idea where they’re at. You need to tell yourself “I’m under repped here” and just go with it.
RE villain turn bet: Sounds like he has an overpair as well so I would be happy to have aces - I mean is he raising the flop with 4 6? A 4 with only a gutter to a 5? Only other option is a set I think…
Other possiblity check raise all in the turn! you do Not get only better hands to call. And it looks super strong
It's bad for the pot to be protected right? It would be better if sb folded turn, so we could call and let him barrel river with dumb hands
Sept. 17, 2022 . . . The day I came to realize that I might possibly suck at poker.
The only way I'm not calling this river bet is if I have no chips because I check-shoved the turn - which is very likely what I did.
Is this play seriously so bad that it doesn't even merit consideration ?
Im pretty new to poker but i find myself in this situation sometimes , i mean as villian and when I miss my draw the only way i can win the pot is to bluff, so when im hero in this spot i can be pretty sure villain is . bluffing,
I think if you get dealt A's, you have to move all in pre flop. I would go all in with K's too. The longer the game goes on, the weaker your A's will become. And this is knowing that people would probably fold pre flop. Take the blinds and move on.
Incidentally, the main villain kinda botched this from square one.
When the SB slides 10% of his stack into the pot preflop he's almost promising to bet the flop, and 54/s doesn't flop Yahtzee very often. (Plus he still has Hero to contend with).
By the way, what did the SB have ?
queens. they said at the end. epic hand for the caller
I was thinking at least one of them had an under pair to the Aces with a 5BB opening bet, maybe both. I think I would have jammed on the turn, but then I'm sure the 5,4 would have folded.
If you are going to slow play AA at least do it from a better position than the BB. But raising is better, most times I want to get more money in the pot up front with AA. Get rid of the limpers and get heads up where I am a 4-1 favorite no matter what the villian has.
Yea even a action donkey might call the 3bet from the BB thinking "oh ill have position and they are just blinds trying to raise a limper out".AA is always to good not to raise,unless maybe a spaz if behind you a loves to squeeze
Recently snap shoving AA against a 3 bet has been getting called plenty for me
Ideal caller. Honest about his lack of analysis to call, and overall he never tried to talk over Bart.. Callers, learn from this man...when Bart is talking, stfu.
You shouldn’t lie to the guy and tell him on certain river cards he might find a fold. On that board with that disguised hand, he should not be folding for any size bet.
Pot odds alone make getting it in and building a side pot a no-brainer. If the long haul perspective is taken into account, you're going to do very well over your playing career getting it in here. Just like the card counter in Blackjack, when the count is deep in your favor you gotta get those big bets out there CONSISTENTLY regardless of what current variance is running.
If you call the turn you have to call the river
I don't find anything wrong with the slow play. What I found wrong is that he should have been out of the hand as things progressed. Granted it's all situational, and table dynamics take a front seat above all else, this caller seems highly intelligent. However there is a reason tight players don't get invited to the biggest games. Especially a smart one.
While watching, I thought maybe one of his hands would be Ace 7 of Hearts, anyone else?
What I don’t get is the villain description...If I’m doing a non-standard play like this to bring in a bad player, I have a plan to attack the bad player, I have a description of what the bad player does bad, etc. Hero here says he’s bad but not why - does he call way too much? Bluff too much with questionable things? What does he do wrong? That description or knowledge probably makes it an easy shrug-call unless he’s usually a calling station that spazzed out here. Anyways, surprised A7h never came up as a possible hand, obvious limp, flop top pair and raise to see where I’m at, continue betting with flush draw, then go for it...
The type of player you're talking about I feel can have all the 45o and 65o that's 12 or 24 combos you beat.
I busted out of tourney with this advice
Feel bad for the queens hand. Got aces flatting pre and making terrible river calls and still cant win :(
cool hand, nice vid!
If you are going to fold aces here then don't call the flop raise. There are a lot more overpairs that would have been played like this.
You have to call. Why do you limp, hoping the action player will spew, to fold?
He could have 76hh 78hh 88 99 JJ AXhh.
He’s thinking level one. Villain is thinking I have a pair and he can have all the suited Broadways AK/AQ and could call my shove, or I have nothing and can bluff shove.
If you arent prepared to lose all the money you brought to the table when you first sat down, then you shouldnt sit down in the first place.
MP put max pressure on there, even with AA that's a hard call.
Fantastic call on the players part. Bone dry board nobody is gonna flop a set and push out the small stack when they aren’t even close to priced in
Then the jam at the end when nutted? You can’t write the sets out of his range?
The rest of your ideas in the hand were very sharky though with the bluff infrequency and the side pot. MP had zero intention of the small blind calling 250 on 450 he’s probably like wtf 😂
When I was thinking of blank rivers that aces could call off on I swear to god my first thought was a queen or jack but then I remembered that the small blind almost had to have some sort of big overpair. The ten or nine on the river is one of the best possible cards other than a seven duece or three.
You have to be quite knowledgeable to understand when limping aces is, or will be, going sideways.
If you don’t know how to evaluate where you’re at in a hand, well, you’re going to be losing a lot of money regardless of if you limp, or raise, with aces.
This screams over pair to the board. He was over valuing pocket 8, 9, 10, JJ...
Add those combos to the bluffs and you have a clear call
He open limped and then just called. If he did have JJ or whatever then he would almost certainly 3 bet. Yeah he can have 88, but most of those hands are raising pre, not limp calling.
@@mjriemen without rewatching the video the hero played aces passively here. If he's doing that with aces others surely could do that with jacks. Seems like this is a weak game. In my local games a lot of morons play mid pairs like this. They play them like dueces and only if they flop a set or the cards all come low do they start firing. At which point they are very often over-valuing or protecting their middling over pair to the board.
You make a good point though.
@@kentdavies1988 aces are much less vulnerable. With JJ over half the time an overcard will land on the flop. With AA there are no overcards.
So people are much more inclined to slow play AA.
@@nicks210684 people are also morons
I won’t lie, I’ve shoved JJ+ overpairs here before.
he’d have to be crazy or stupid to be bluffing because of of the dry main pot. i think it’s a very tough spot
This is exactly what you wanted to happen when you just called the small blinds raise. You wanted the fish in the hand. And you wanted him to make bad plays. The plan worked out.
thought this was gonna be a cautionary tale
Thinks mp is a total donk. Also can’t see any bluffs? Lmao how about ace 8? Jq? Kt? YOU THINK HE IS A SPEWY DONK do you really think he constructs ranges?
I agree. Too many current gto thinking players think everyone thinks the same way they do at the table.
Eeeeeezzzzz call/call/call on that board and given how you slow played your aces for this very result. You look like you have 88-99/A7 so his jam is trying to get a fold. I would actually be more concerned if he went for like 700-900 on river because that looks like he wants a call.
Also, 87s is possible candidate for a hand that he could have and the villain will try to bully hands like this very often when they are hyper-aggressive. Plus the fact that the guy was beating everyone at the table which a lot of times it means they have boosted confidence and can try to bluff more often.
i took a chance and limped them under the gun the other day. good thing my field is so much dumber than me. not that the site which shall go nameless doesn't lend them a hand. i don't care, if it wasn't a clip joint, the games would dry up yesterday.
Bart is such a nit "He has to have 2.5 x values to bluffs but what's really a bluff here? These guys limp in with 77s sometimes. He can have 9 sets." Oooh nine sets. Then they both agree that ONLY 4 5 is a bluff here. REally?? What about 87 (12 combos), 67 (12 combos), pocket 8s(6), 9s (6), js(6), 4s(6), 89 (16), then just broadway cards which really explodes the combinations to practically the hundreds, Also overvalued Ax combos?
He told you he's an "action player" border line maniac coming in with anything. Let me translate that : "THEY DON"T THINK LIKE YOU. THEY DON"T THINK LIKE YOU. THEY DON"T THINK LIKE YOU".
I played at $2/$5 today and made $2000 in 10 minutes (God's honest truth). Why? Because their were a lot of these crazy splashy players willing to get it all in thin. ONe guy was such a spaz he blasted it for 300 BBs with mid pair. I had top pair and tank called. Next guy had top pair and flush draw and I nailed a flush on the turn. I tank checked called all the way to the river and then he suddenly jammed and lost $1000.
You're not up against Phil Ivey here. You gotta adjust to the player types. What I see over and over again is "Well, ok, he's a pretty crazy player so I'm not going to assume AAs or KKs here. Let's downgrade that to AK or maybe just Qs, lol"
Its not a bad play if you are capable of folding them sometimes.
He has a lot of overpairs that he would do this with… still think this is a call
Would V do this with Ks, Qs?
But the board hits blinds really hard with multiple straight possibilities...
Hmmmm. Maniac with 4d 5d .... didn’t quite see that coming....
Oooh ... small blind had Qs ... V bluffing to get the (huge) side pot from H ... nice try buddy (not really as I said, the board really hits typical blind ranges ... just not this time with Qs and As in the blinds 😂
I see sets and overpairs jamming into straight boards all the time. Idk If they are looking for a reraise but I might try to give them one.
Hero was lucky someone doesnt have sat
It's hard to make a set.
Or even two pair. Was lucky villain flopped OESD and then paired his hand on the turn. Villain lost some equity on the turn, because you don’t want to pair your OESD in that spot. V immediately went for gold and started turning his hand into a bluff. An A on the river and H gets stacked. A 6 on the river and H may not call. The turn and river were really good cards for the H against the V’s specific hand. That T is about as brick as it gets.
Connman 8d why its hart to make a set? Villain could have a pocket 77
@@desmondf1386 you ever tried to make a set? It's hard.
He could have kings thinking he is in the same spot the caller is.
I've made so much money from people slowplaying AA, especially in fixed limit which, sadly, no one really plays anymore.
Fixed limit lmfao
This has never happened at any casino I've ever played at, so when it gets down to heads up, does the floor decide who's the Hero and strap on a cape and the Villain has to put on devil horns, and then the betting continues? 😂