Fun discussion! Thanks! It's amazing all the exciting new content, now that you've "retired"! 😂 Love it! And thank you for all the other great teacher/ thinkers that you introduce us to. ❤ Thank you also, that generally speaking, you have discussions that allow people to come to their own conclusions, rather than speaking as dogmatically as many do, where thus and so is FACT/TRUTH and you must believe it or be ignorant.
Yeah, the images he was using before were just fine and authentic. Please don’t be ‘that’ kind of channel, dr tabor. What you were doing before was just fine.
Having read the book I’m extremely impressed. But I do miss a discussion of the intentions of the gospel writers. Whoever they were and whatever they borrowed from others they wanted to achieve something not just write a fabulous story.
What dark hopes and dreams do the dynamic duo have? It could be neither and both at the same time depending on the scholar’s intentions. I’m not the Sheriff Jim, I’m a witness, but it’s hard to see the history teacher as constructive when historical characters aren’t allowed to emerge naturally, unless of course you mean constructive as in “constructing” a new story? Elsewhere on MythVision Robyn completely misrepresents NT texts, but it’s how she does it I find most amazing. Robyn links the NT to Greek mythology because she noticed both texts use confusion and bewilderment to describe a situation. So if a reporter uses the words confused and bewildered to describe the current state of local authorities in Sicily, Robyn won’t believe the Bayesian actually sank? This would never pass peer review in any scientific field, and I have no idea how it passes here. If I told you Pompeii, Herculaneum, and the holocaust were acts of God for the destruction of the Temple and the crucifixion of Jesus, wouldn’t you expect me to have some sort of proof to back that statement up? And we don’t have to rely on Greek translations, because we have your own words recorded on this very forum. Mark 4:12 is pointing to the difference between someone who believes, and someone who doesn’t. One understands, and the other doesn’t. Faith is the anchor Jim, but the boat still needs a captain. If I rewrite the last sentence to read “otherwise they might turn and THINK THEY WILL be forgiven”, does it help clear things up a bit for you? Gladness most often comes from awareness, and I can honestly say you aren’t even aware of what is happening in the here and now of today's world, let alone what happened 2K-years ago. If you want to better understand who Paul was, then my suggestion would be to stop typing and start listening so that his story can emerge naturally.
( met the Wife at college because she was an unofficial Classics Minor (English Major -- UW Seattle did not recognize Minors) & she was in Latin w. a friend's future-wife... . Episcopalians are interested in Judaic + Greco-Roman antecedants ;-)
Dr. Walsh's website won't come up when the www is attached. It does come up if you type it in without the www. It's a website admin issue about how a domain can be searched for. She needs to alert her website administrator.
I think people should try to get better at telling historical accounts from fantastical tales. Take Exodus for instance, obviously Moses didn't write it, or he would have known the pharaoh's name, like Isaiah knew Cyrus'. Not that Isaiah wrote that stuff before it happened but at least the authors did put the guy's actual name in there for realism. Including the pharaoh's name would have made it at least slightly more credible, because nobody knew the list of pharaohs in the 300s BC when the Torah was written, unless they were an educated Egyptian, which apparently the authors weren't. The part at the beginning of the first chapter where they try to set the story up by saying that a new pharaoh arose who didn't know Joseph is an obvious glitch, because I looked up who would have been pharaohs in the supposed time of Joseph and they were all members of a royal family, some had co-regents, one was a woman. My point is that there's no realistic way that a pharaoh's parents knew Joseph but that the pharaohs themselves never heard of him. There were no walk-in new pharaoh's from other nations in that time period. For a stranger to become pharaoh they would have had to conquer Egypt. I don't see any conquests of Egypt in that period. I couldn't find there being any before the 600s BC, when the Assyrians conquered it, then the Persians in the 500s BC and Alexander the Great in the 300s BC. The whole Book of Exodus is so full of logical inconsistencies that I can't see how anyone in modern times ever believed it was literal history. The Red Sea was supposedly separated by "wind". Imagine the wind speed required to do that then imagine people trying to walk or even stand in such a hurricane.
Prof Tabor has presented a false dilemma: It does not matter whether real biblical scholarship is destructive or constructive: It doesn't matter. Let the chips fall where they may.
You mean Josephus was hired to write propaganda for Vespasian. The guy basically wrote that the Roman emperor is the messiah 🤣 Definitely earning his pay there 😉
That thing that happens at the 17-18mark is not based on what you’re saying… it’s based on physical hand gestures. Basically the Ai is trash and it sometimes finds random patterns in the frame based on your body and arms and background and assumes it’s a gesture when it’s not. Other times people actually make the gesture briefly unrelated to the intention, and the Ai is measuring it all. This is why when Dr. Tabor did the thumbs up gesture it immediately shows it. It’s all just so invasive and should be off by default, but they toss it on, bc secretly it’s on in the background for everyone, it’s just only given a front-end user awareness if the feature is “enabled”.
One must understand that there is the material and that which is not material. All archeology is concerned with the "material". All religion eludes to that which is not 'material' and usually tries to prove that that which is 'material" is subservient to that which is not 'material'. The central question is are we capable of knowing that which goes beyond birth/death, time/space.
If you don't appreciate the work of the deepest and most canceled Biblical scholar in the Constantinian messianic bloodline - Flavius Julianus aka Julian II the Apostate - you're not going to have much appreciation for how the Divine Council can weave a gripping story in the threads of many chosen species and chosen peoples to tell God about all his failed Messiah incarnations before he finally woke up completely with time to spare for the 2025 Aquarius Birthday Party and the debut of the newly remodeled City of God.
Historical Biblical Scholarship and commentary HAS NO VALUE! . This is why: . Daniel 12:4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, UNTIL THE TIME OF THE END. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.” . The truth will not be known until the time of the end. . Everything will be new which, means the old historical understanding will need to be abandoned. . This is supported by Jesus Christ: . Luke 5:39 No one that has drunk old wine wants new; for he says, ‘The old is nice.’” . Revelation 21:5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making ALL THINGS NEW.” Also, he says: “Write, because these words are faithful and true.” . .
@@leylinegoddess Ok, here is something NEW and yet, it has always been in every Christians bible: . Jesus Christ quoting the Messianic Psalm 2 about someone other than himself: . Revelation 2:26-27 And to him that conquers and observes my deeds down to the end I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he shall shepherd the people with an iron rod so that they will be broken to pieces like clay vessels ** THE SAME ** as I have received from my Father . A man THE SAME as Jesus Christ except he is king of the Nations (Gentiles). . . Does all of Christianity really have faith in Jesus Christ? . . Read Psalm 2. . It is not about the king of the Jews! . It is about the king of the Nations. . Revelation 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was caught away to God and to his throne. . Google this date: . September 23rd, 2017 .
Imaginations desroys secular cry babies crawls away original can't find smoldering timelessness sparks scares you to death time tables, Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”
Thank You Robyn & James Tabor - 💯💯
This was very nice of you guys to say about Paul.
That was very enjoyable AND enlightening. Thank you Robyn and James!
How you invite your viewers into academia conversation is done so seamlessly and smooth. Great guest and great talk.Thank you!
Fun discussion! Thanks! It's amazing all the exciting new content, now that you've "retired"! 😂 Love it!
And thank you for all the other great teacher/ thinkers that you introduce us to. ❤
Thank you also, that generally speaking, you have discussions that allow people to come to their own conclusions, rather than speaking as dogmatically as many do, where thus and so is FACT/TRUTH and you must believe it or be ignorant.
Thank you, Robyn! Thank you, James!! See you both again on the wires, soon! 🤘😎❤️🔥🙏✒️📜📚
Excellent, very good. Thank you 👍
I enjoyed the discussion💯
Dr. Tabor firing on all cylinders lately with the guests😃
I'm A RFW fanboy...get her book!
Please don't use AI for thumbnails I immediately am turned off
Yeah, the images he was using before were just fine and authentic. Please don’t be ‘that’ kind of channel, dr tabor. What you were doing before was just fine.
I laugh at the "I shouldn't say weird" part 🤣
Having read the book I’m extremely impressed. But I do miss a discussion of the intentions of the gospel writers. Whoever they were and whatever they borrowed from others they wanted to achieve something not just write a fabulous story.
What dark hopes and dreams do the dynamic duo have? It could be neither and both at the same time depending on the scholar’s intentions. I’m not the Sheriff Jim, I’m a witness, but it’s hard to see the history teacher as constructive when historical characters aren’t allowed to emerge naturally, unless of course you mean constructive as in “constructing” a new story?
Elsewhere on MythVision Robyn completely misrepresents NT texts, but it’s how she does it I find most amazing. Robyn links the NT to Greek mythology because she noticed both texts use confusion and bewilderment to describe a situation. So if a reporter uses the words confused and bewildered to describe the current state of local authorities in Sicily, Robyn won’t believe the Bayesian actually sank?
This would never pass peer review in any scientific field, and I have no idea how it passes here.
If I told you Pompeii, Herculaneum, and the holocaust were acts of God for the destruction of the Temple and the crucifixion of Jesus, wouldn’t you expect me to have some sort of proof to back that statement up?
And we don’t have to rely on Greek translations, because we have your own words recorded on this very forum. Mark 4:12 is pointing to the difference between someone who believes, and someone who doesn’t. One understands, and the other doesn’t. Faith is the anchor Jim, but the boat still needs a captain. If I rewrite the last sentence to read “otherwise they might turn and THINK THEY WILL be forgiven”, does it help clear things up a bit for you?
Gladness most often comes from awareness, and I can honestly say you aren’t even aware of what is happening in the here and now of today's world, let alone what happened 2K-years ago. If you want to better understand who Paul was, then my suggestion would be to stop typing and start listening so that his story can emerge naturally.
( met the Wife at college because she was an unofficial Classics Minor (English Major -- UW Seattle did not recognize Minors)
& she was in Latin w. a friend's future-wife... .
Episcopalians are interested in Judaic + Greco-Roman antecedants ;-)
Wow!
Dr. Walsh's website won't come up when the www is attached. It does come up if you type it in without the www. It's a website admin issue about how a domain can be searched for. She needs to alert her website administrator.
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Truth is essential keep seeking 😁
I think people should try to get better at telling historical accounts from fantastical tales. Take Exodus for instance, obviously Moses didn't write it, or he would have known the pharaoh's name, like Isaiah knew Cyrus'. Not that Isaiah wrote that stuff before it happened but at least the authors did put the guy's actual name in there for realism. Including the pharaoh's name would have made it at least slightly more credible, because nobody knew the list of pharaohs in the 300s BC when the Torah was written, unless they were an educated Egyptian, which apparently the authors weren't.
The part at the beginning of the first chapter where they try to set the story up by saying that a new pharaoh arose who didn't know Joseph is an obvious glitch, because I looked up who would have been pharaohs in the supposed time of Joseph and they were all members of a royal family, some had co-regents, one was a woman. My point is that there's no realistic way that a pharaoh's parents knew Joseph but that the pharaohs themselves never heard of him. There were no walk-in new pharaoh's from other nations in that time period. For a stranger to become pharaoh they would have had to conquer Egypt. I don't see any conquests of Egypt in that period. I couldn't find there being any before the 600s BC, when the Assyrians conquered it, then the Persians in the 500s BC and Alexander the Great in the 300s BC.
The whole Book of Exodus is so full of logical inconsistencies that I can't see how anyone in modern times ever believed it was literal history. The Red Sea was supposedly separated by "wind". Imagine the wind speed required to do that then imagine people trying to walk or even stand in such a hurricane.
Prof Tabor has presented a false dilemma: It does not matter whether real biblical scholarship is destructive or constructive: It doesn't matter. Let the chips fall where they may.
Josephus is given more textual freedom after taking on Vespasian's family name,
You mean Josephus was hired to write propaganda for Vespasian. The guy basically wrote that the Roman emperor is the messiah 🤣 Definitely earning his pay there 😉
Paul made Corinthian leather.
CONSTRUCTIVE!!’
Constructive most of the time
Is the NT basically Jewish end of the world apocalypticism? Hasn't it thus been shown to be wrong and irrelevant?
That thing that happens at the 17-18mark is not based on what you’re saying… it’s based on physical hand gestures. Basically the Ai is trash and it sometimes finds random patterns in the frame based on your body and arms and background and assumes it’s a gesture when it’s not. Other times people actually make the gesture briefly unrelated to the intention, and the Ai is measuring it all. This is why when Dr. Tabor did the thumbs up gesture it immediately shows it.
It’s all just so invasive and should be off by default, but they toss it on, bc secretly it’s on in the background for everyone, it’s just only given a front-end user awareness if the feature is “enabled”.
One must understand that there is the material and that which is not material. All archeology is concerned with the "material". All religion eludes to that which is not 'material' and usually tries to prove that that which is 'material" is subservient to that which is not 'material'. The central question is are we capable of knowing that which goes beyond birth/death, time/space.
"Weird" used to refer to those who controlled fate or destiny, as in Shakespeare's "weird sisters."
If you don't appreciate the work of the deepest and most canceled Biblical scholar in the Constantinian messianic bloodline - Flavius Julianus aka Julian II the Apostate - you're not going to have much appreciation for how the Divine Council can weave a gripping story in the threads of many chosen species and chosen peoples to tell God about all his failed Messiah incarnations before he finally woke up completely with time to spare for the 2025 Aquarius Birthday Party and the debut of the newly remodeled City of God.
I may not have much appreciation, but at least I'm on my rocker.
If one uses discernment it is constructive.
Historical Biblical Scholarship and commentary HAS NO VALUE!
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This is why:
.
Daniel 12:4
“And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, UNTIL THE TIME OF THE END. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”
.
The truth will not be known until the time of the end.
.
Everything will be new which, means the old historical understanding will need to be abandoned.
.
This is supported by Jesus Christ:
.
Luke 5:39
No one that has drunk old wine wants new; for he says, ‘The old is nice.’”
.
Revelation 21:5
And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making ALL THINGS NEW.” Also, he says: “Write, because these words are faithful and true.”
.
.
troll
@@leylinegoddess Ok, here is something NEW and yet, it has always been in every Christians bible:
.
Jesus Christ quoting the Messianic Psalm 2 about someone other than himself:
.
Revelation 2:26-27
And to him that conquers and observes my deeds down to the end I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he shall shepherd the people with an iron rod so that they will be broken to pieces like clay vessels ** THE SAME ** as I have received from my Father
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A man THE SAME as Jesus Christ except he is king of the Nations (Gentiles).
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Does all of Christianity really have faith in Jesus Christ?
.
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Read Psalm 2.
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It is not about the king of the Jews!
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It is about the king of the Nations.
.
Revelation 12:5
And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was caught away to God and to his throne.
.
Google this date:
.
September 23rd, 2017
.
Imaginations desroys secular cry babies crawls away original can't find smoldering timelessness sparks scares you to death time tables, Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”