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I’ve been considering dormant seeding a small bare spot, but didn’t really understand what to do. I just found this video, great timing. Very helpful, thank you!!! 👍
I tired dormant seeding close to the beginning of winter I put the seed down right before some light rain, and let the rain beat the seed into the grown, and then the snow sets it in Worked pretty good, lawn is slowly filling in
That's awesome to hear! I have been thinking of remaking this video because of a slight change in attitude I have towards dormant seeding. I find that people that get more snow do better with dormant seeding in early winter and people with occasional snow do better with late dormant seeding. I'm glad it seems to be going your way this year :)
Amazing, thanks for making this! I hope I just found my solution. As a single, middle aged woman with dogs my lawn needs help. I tried in the spring but the ground was entirely too hard to break up. Found a rototiller to do it in the fall but we've seen early frost. Now I guess timing & hopes that Mother nature will keep it cold long enough once i do apply. Questions: Since we do want it driven into the soil, I don't have to keep my dogs from the areas seeded? The seed I have is a combo seed, fertilizer & soil improver. Is this fine to use with the dormant seeding application as well or just plain seed?
Can you show us a follow up video in the Spring to show how well this worked? Thanks!! Would it be a good idea to water the soil before putting down the seed?
Yeah, I think that would be a great idea, id be happy to. As for your question it might help a bit with the initial bonding of seed to soil if your dirt is actually dry, mine has been a bit moist all month even with my sprinklers off so I didn't water it at all. We eneded up getting a dusting of snow that landed on it the next morning so its good and on there now, I even snapped a picture of it with snow on it and two deer hanging out and posted that I posted to Instagram it you're curious.
my first dormant seeding this year excited but I'm finding the biggest negative is the birds! the birds! every bird in the neighborhood has found my yard this winter! ($$$)my grass seed!wondering if any will be left for the spring.
Hey John, yeah, the bird are horrible! LOL I lose so much seed to birds when I throw down. I'll sometimes go outside and find a flock of birds, like 20-30 sitting on the ground having three meals a day. So far they haven't touched my dormant seeded patch since they aren't here much in winter. I can still see the seed on the ground so I got my fingers crossed. As for your observation; seed loss (waste) is the biggest downside to dormant seeding for sure.
We all agree that fall seeding is the best. But what is the second best? Given I don’t plan to have any pre-emergent, will I have more success with dormant seeding in December, or spring seeding in March/April? I would guess spring seeding would have higher germination rate, but less time to mature so they will die off during the hot summer.
If you don't plan on applying pre-emergent in the spring then that would be the next best time because you'll get better germination rates and more even and uniform germination/growth. If you can prep the soil well in the earlier part of the spring then most grass plants should mature enough to get through summer just fine, especially if you are only seeding a small area. If you get a late frost then you can always consider covering your sprouts with cloth just like gardeners do to protect them.
Was this from Michigan weather you says cold where you're at so I'm thinking you're in Michigan cuz I am you're very informational for me thank you I like to see your cast on what you say next about dormant seating
Really enjoy your videos buddy! I have a question though. In western Michigan, im i better to dormant seed the begining of December or sometime in February? The garden/seed supplier i get my seed from said Feburary. (We ussually have a foot of snow on the ground then. What your thought?)
My thought is if you expect to have sustained snowpack on the seedbed for the whole winter then put it down just before first major snowfall. For me, we get snow periodically all winter and into early Spring but because it all melts off regularly with our sunny skies and temps in the low 30s we have many days/weeks with cold ground but little to no snow on it. For me I'd wait until feb if I dormant seeded again...unless of course I was making a video about the topic and wanted to demonstrate dormant seeding in the video, but as a youtube video creator that makes me weird, lol. Hope that helps.
Seed it on bare dirt and garden weasel it into the soil so you have great soil to seed contact ... never use straw unless you want weeds . Use Peet moss instead.
Planted new grass seed November 15th hasn’t snowed yet I’ve been watering once a day. Should I keep watering or should I leave it be. Was in the 50’s then now in the 40’s and below freezing at night.
I'm guessing if the seeds germinate at the end of winter and early spring and there happens to be a night of unseasonal or late frost it would kill whatever has started germinating?
Yeah you have to hope for the right kind of weather in the spring. In my experience, some springs are better than others but I always get at least some successful growth.
Funny 10 percent my seed didn’t grow in in fall😂 , spots I forgot I put it, I now 4 months later or so have grass coming up , not complaining, had no idea 🤷🏻♂️ it would grow after / stay dormant
This is December 20th right now I'm in Michigan should I wait till the first snow or put the seat down now and let the snow melt it into the ground because it's been pretty cold here and it should snow this weekend help me if you can I've never did this before
well the biggest benefit IMO to dormant seed is that you will get new seedlings growing earlier in the season than if you waited to do a normal seeding. But you still need to wait a few months for the PE to not aggressively root prune those seedlings so I would advise against using PE unless you use Dithiopyr closer to June. It might not be worth it though because that would prevent a good overseeding in August/Sept if you did that. If a January dormant seeding led to new seedling growth starting in March then three months later in June a Dithiopyr could go down and "probably" not affect the new grass and it would have a 3-4 week post emergent effect on young crabgrass that germinated in May while still having some PE effect on late to germinate weeds of all kinds from June through Sept. For dormant seeding (for most people) I probably would just recommend skipping Spring PE and doing post-emergent route in late Spring followed by a Fall PE or Fall overseed.
not really, in dormant seeding I don't think it matters so much. Honestly I think KBG might be better for dormant seeding because it is a grass that handles colder temps better. If you can get any of it started from seed in March via dormant seeding then it will have the best chance possible at getting through the summer.
Can dormant seeding become established enough to survive a spring pre emergent application? Dormant seeds get a head start and germinate earlier than regular spring seeding. If mother nature cooperates has pre emergent applied at the regular time when soil temps reach 55 and crabgrass germinates. Has it ever been done officially or not? That's the game changer.
Thats literally the next video I'm planning on filming, lol. Ill be filming that tomorrow and publishing it a little later in the month. To answer quickly and succinctly though ill say yeah you can but it will probably stunt your grass in the spring. I did it last Spring and brought my height down significantly and it took a while, all the way into May, for everything to green up and start growing. The more aggressive you do it the harder it is on the grass too come spring. Its best to wait until the grass is actively growing so that it can more easily recover from the damage inflicted by dethatching. Make sure to catch the video when it comes out because there's always a little more to it.
@@TurfMechanic I will look for the video for sure. So you think even if I plan to dormant seed it will have a hard time recovering? LOL as bad as my yard is, I'm thinking it couldn't hurt it any worse. I have chickens that have torn it up and have a lot weeds from it, so I'm thinking of dethatching while everything including the weeds are dead.
Dormant seeding is generally much less labor intensive but with that you will have more waste and less even coverage. It will still be hard to use pre-emergent in the spring so if you don't plan on applying anything in the spring in the seed area then dormant seeding is just a way of taking a small step forward in the lawn; almost like insurance for the spring when you may not actually get around to doing the bigger seeding project because it takes more effort even though you may want to. Hope that makes sense.
you'd be surprised, when soil is that cold during the winter the seeds are usually perfectly fine laying dormant on the soil. Germination rates in Spring may be lower than if seeding in Sept but you sure don't have to think much about babying the seed.
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I’ve been considering dormant seeding a small bare spot, but didn’t really understand what to do. I just found this video, great timing. Very helpful, thank you!!! 👍
First time I seen you on the phone I'm using and it was helpful good video and thank you for doing this
I tired dormant seeding close to the beginning of winter
I put the seed down right before some light rain, and let the rain beat the seed into the grown, and then the snow sets it in
Worked pretty good, lawn is slowly filling in
That's awesome to hear! I have been thinking of remaking this video because of a slight change in attitude I have towards dormant seeding. I find that people that get more snow do better with dormant seeding in early winter and people with occasional snow do better with late dormant seeding. I'm glad it seems to be going your way this year :)
Amazing, thanks for making this! I hope I just found my solution. As a single, middle aged woman with dogs my lawn needs help. I tried in the spring but the ground was entirely too hard to break up. Found a rototiller to do it in the fall but we've seen early frost. Now I guess timing & hopes that Mother nature will keep it cold long enough once i do apply. Questions: Since we do want it driven into the soil, I don't have to keep my dogs from the areas seeded? The seed I have is a combo seed, fertilizer & soil improver. Is this fine to use with the dormant seeding application as well or just plain seed?
Can you show us a follow up video in the Spring to show how well this worked? Thanks!!
Would it be a good idea to water the soil before putting down the seed?
Yeah, I think that would be a great idea, id be happy to. As for your question it might help a bit with the initial bonding of seed to soil if your dirt is actually dry, mine has been a bit moist all month even with my sprinklers off so I didn't water it at all. We eneded up getting a dusting of snow that landed on it the next morning so its good and on there now, I even snapped a picture of it with snow on it and two deer hanging out and posted that I posted to Instagram it you're curious.
my first dormant seeding this year excited but I'm finding the biggest negative is the birds! the birds! every bird in the neighborhood has found my yard this winter! ($$$)my grass seed!wondering if any will be left for the spring.
Hey John, yeah, the bird are horrible! LOL I lose so much seed to birds when I throw down. I'll sometimes go outside and find a flock of birds, like 20-30 sitting on the ground having three meals a day. So far they haven't touched my dormant seeded patch since they aren't here much in winter. I can still see the seed on the ground so I got my fingers crossed. As for your observation; seed loss (waste) is the biggest downside to dormant seeding for sure.
Cover it with peat or some other product other than straw. Never use straw. Weeeedz
I’m going to wait for snow to seed. The snow will act as straw & water
We all agree that fall seeding is the best. But what is the second best? Given I don’t plan to have any pre-emergent, will I have more success with dormant seeding in December, or spring seeding in March/April?
I would guess spring seeding would have higher germination rate, but less time to mature so they will die off during the hot summer.
If you don't plan on applying pre-emergent in the spring then that would be the next best time because you'll get better germination rates and more even and uniform germination/growth. If you can prep the soil well in the earlier part of the spring then most grass plants should mature enough to get through summer just fine, especially if you are only seeding a small area. If you get a late frost then you can always consider covering your sprouts with cloth just like gardeners do to protect them.
Was this from Michigan weather you says cold where you're at so I'm thinking you're in Michigan cuz I am you're very informational for me thank you I like to see your cast on what you say next about dormant seating
Really enjoy your videos buddy!
I have a question though.
In western Michigan, im i better to dormant seed the begining of December or sometime in February? The garden/seed supplier i get my seed from said Feburary. (We ussually have a foot of snow on the ground then. What your thought?)
My thought is if you expect to have sustained snowpack on the seedbed for the whole winter then put it down just before first major snowfall. For me, we get snow periodically all winter and into early Spring but because it all melts off regularly with our sunny skies and temps in the low 30s we have many days/weeks with cold ground but little to no snow on it. For me I'd wait until feb if I dormant seeded again...unless of course I was making a video about the topic and wanted to demonstrate dormant seeding in the video, but as a youtube video creator that makes me weird, lol. Hope that helps.
Seed it on bare dirt and garden weasel it into the soil so you have great soil to seed contact ... never use straw unless you want weeds . Use Peet moss instead.
Planted new grass seed November 15th hasn’t snowed yet I’ve been watering once a day. Should I keep watering or should I leave it be. Was in the 50’s then now in the 40’s and below freezing at night.
I'm guessing if the seeds germinate at the end of winter and early spring and there happens to be a night of unseasonal or late frost it would kill whatever has started germinating?
Yeah you have to hope for the right kind of weather in the spring.
In my experience, some springs are better than others but I always get at least some successful growth.
Funny 10 percent my seed didn’t grow in in fall😂 , spots I forgot I put it, I now 4 months later or so have grass coming up , not complaining, had no idea 🤷🏻♂️ it would grow after / stay dormant
What about using a slit seeder for dormant seeding?
This is December 20th right now I'm in Michigan should I wait till the first snow or put the seat down now and let the snow melt it into the ground because it's been pretty cold here and it should snow this weekend help me if you can I've never did this before
What about in the spring when you put down the crabgrass pre-emergent will that kill that seed
What about if you're laying down a halts product in the spring how does that work with the timing?
well the biggest benefit IMO to dormant seed is that you will get new seedlings growing earlier in the season than if you waited to do a normal seeding. But you still need to wait a few months for the PE to not aggressively root prune those seedlings so I would advise against using PE unless you use Dithiopyr closer to June. It might not be worth it though because that would prevent a good overseeding in August/Sept if you did that. If a January dormant seeding led to new seedling growth starting in March then three months later in June a Dithiopyr could go down and "probably" not affect the new grass and it would have a 3-4 week post emergent effect on young crabgrass that germinated in May while still having some PE effect on late to germinate weeds of all kinds from June through Sept. For dormant seeding (for most people) I probably would just recommend skipping Spring PE and doing post-emergent route in late Spring followed by a Fall PE or Fall overseed.
Do u think it’s better to dormant seed tall fescue instead of Kentucky bluegrass since it germinates faster?
not really, in dormant seeding I don't think it matters so much. Honestly I think KBG might be better for dormant seeding because it is a grass that handles colder temps better. If you can get any of it started from seed in March via dormant seeding then it will have the best chance possible at getting through the summer.
Can dormant seeding become established enough to survive a spring pre emergent application?
Dormant seeds get a head start and germinate earlier than regular spring seeding. If mother nature cooperates has pre emergent applied at the regular time when soil temps reach 55 and crabgrass germinates.
Has it ever been done officially or not?
That's the game changer.
My question as well.
Can I dethatch or scarify my yard in winter? I mean is it a good idea to?
Thats literally the next video I'm planning on filming, lol. Ill be filming that tomorrow and publishing it a little later in the month. To answer quickly and succinctly though ill say yeah you can but it will probably stunt your grass in the spring. I did it last Spring and brought my height down significantly and it took a while, all the way into May, for everything to green up and start growing. The more aggressive you do it the harder it is on the grass too come spring. Its best to wait until the grass is actively growing so that it can more easily recover from the damage inflicted by dethatching. Make sure to catch the video when it comes out because there's always a little more to it.
@@TurfMechanic I will look for the video for sure. So you think even if I plan to dormant seed it will have a hard time recovering? LOL as bad as my yard is, I'm thinking it couldn't hurt it any worse. I have chickens that have torn it up and have a lot weeds from it, so I'm thinking of dethatching while everything including the weeds are dead.
What's the benefits of dormant seeding compare to spring seeding?
Dormant seeding is generally much less labor intensive but with that you will have more waste and less even coverage. It will still be hard to use pre-emergent in the spring so if you don't plan on applying anything in the spring in the seed area then dormant seeding is just a way of taking a small step forward in the lawn; almost like insurance for the spring when you may not actually get around to doing the bigger seeding project because it takes more effort even though you may want to. Hope that makes sense.
The seeds will just rot lieing that long
you'd be surprised, when soil is that cold during the winter the seeds are usually perfectly fine laying dormant on the soil. Germination rates in Spring may be lower than if seeding in Sept but you sure don't have to think much about babying the seed.
How to make a two minute video last twelve minutes.
Lol, always my biggest flaw
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