La Lira: A Spanish Copy of the Mannlicher 1901
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The Spanish firm of Garate Anitua y Cia manufactured this copy of the Mannlicher 1901/1905 pistol for just a brief period around 1910. It is not a straight copy, as the Mannlicher was chambered for its own 7.63mm Mannlicher cartridge and fed using stripper clips and a fixed internal magazine while the La Lira design was chambered for the more common .32 ACP (7.65mm Browning) and used a typical type of detachable magazine. In addition, the La Lira was a simple blowback action, not including the slight delaying mechanism built into the original Mannlicher.
In addition to two standard La Lira pistols, we also have one gold damascened example to take a look at. These are quite rare today - no documented production records are known, but it is estimated that only 500-1000 were made total.
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There is an old saying in my country that it is from Spain and it is used to define some one who is about to die. " He is closer to the harp ( kind of "lira") than to the guitar ". I suspect there was some kind of black humor in the process of naming that gun. May be . . .
Damn. That is truly interesting.
No, it is because angels play the harp, so is used when you are close to die
What I'm surprised is that Steyr/Mannlicher didn't do this themselves. Everyone who has shot one says those two models, the 01 and the 05, are great pistols to shoot, but that awkward stripper clip reload is just...well, awkward if you can have a magazine instead.
Kinda surprising that a knockoff version had no problems adapting the design to be magazine fed, yet Steyr never bothered to do something similar...
At any rate neat little gun. And Ian's spanish pronunciation is getting better. Not perfect, mind you but hey, it's a gradual process, hehehehe
Cannot disagree, but I think the stripper clip loading is kinda cool. I have a 1912 Steyr and find that it loads pretty easy. Also.....you don't have the problem of possibly losing the magazine or it being damaged.....also why I like the SKS. Cheers!
"Engraving doesn't give you any tactical advantage whatsoever"
I just want to say I love your icon, picture perfect
You're pretty good!
I've played enough video games to know that the damascening actually adds +10% crit chance.
But god damn don't they just look so cool with one.
they're dazzled by the beauty of the engraving, giving you a split second advantage.
Picture of the gun on the gun. So you can admire your gun while you admire your gun
Yo dawg....
Need to get me some 1911 grips with a picture of a Glock on them. Let the death threats flow like water.
Get out of here Doug Demuro
@@ootdega No 1911 owner had his pistol chewed on by his dog.
When you talked about the guns having damascene applied I thought at first you said "They bring the pistols to an artist in a bar." I immediately had a mental image of a Spaniard at a table in his favorite seedy watering hole getting plastered and decorating handguns. "Señor, when my eyes are too blurry to see the design, then I am done for the day."
This, and he will accept a bottle of sangria as down payment for the work.
Is there an early semi auto pistol that the spanish didn't copy -and arguably improve- out there?
And I've seen this fireplace so many times on the channel, it's amazing how big and varied the collection is.
Also greag job to you Ian for your pronunciation, it's getting really good!
Ian’s pronouncing skills are next level
Gun Jesus*
I wonder why that is, actually. I've been watching quite a lot of his videos and hes never making any kind of effort to learn how to pronounce german words. But I think I remember him actually trying to pronounce words in other languages.
Don’t you mean his pronunciation skills?
eeeerr.... not is not?
@@erickwon8528
arma jesús
10:39 - "If you enjoy seeing this sort of thing on the internet, please do consider checking on my Patreon account..."
God bless you Ian :))
More pistols from the fireplace collection!
If you had to manufacture something in Spain in order for your patent to be enforced, what level of production would be required? Could you pay one guy to sit in a room in Valencia and make them with hand tools, just to say you were engaging in domestic manufacturing?
Probably yeah but remember that these knock-offs couldn't be exported to countries where you held patents. After all what had hit spain in the 19th century it probably wasn't big enough market to even justify a craftsman in Murcia.
I remember once reading something about this... it might have been Winchester when they were chasing a Spanish military contract in the 1870's but they invited a couple of public notaries, some VIPs, and members of the gun trade/ guilds to see some guns being assembled from parts. Apparently this counted as "manufacture" and Winchester 1873's were not copied in spain until after 1892 ( 1878 + 14 year patent = 1892?)
I have no idea, but I know that similar laws existed in France. Gottlieb Daimler (via his agent in France) commissioned Panhard & Levassor with producing his newly invented gasoline engine. Originally, only a handful were made.
why Valencia lol
Do the Magazines have two springs - one for the follower and one for the magazine catch - or did they manage to make it work with one spring doing both jobs?
Two springs.
keep up the good work man, been watching since like 2012
could the 32 be a calibre marking instead of a serial Number?
Trent McIvoy Only the US referred to .32 ACP as . 32. Most everyone else used the metric designation.
That said; you never know.
Maybe it's a department inventory number?
@@tafino Maybe someone in the US got the gun and didn´t bother about remembering the metric system
Best part of a morning waking up getting my coffee and seeing a new forgotten weapons video
Can't wait for two full weeks of Mannlicher Madness, need my fix Ian...
It is always cool that Ian always does his best to pronounce foreign names. In this case, the name of the company composed of two Basque last names: Gárate and Anítua. Not easy ones, even for a lot of people in Spain (especially southerners).
However, I am still waiting for the day when Ian pronounces CETME with the correct pronunciation from Spain. That is with the 'C' pronounced as the TH sound in "thought" and the Es pronounced as in "echo". THET-MEH. That day I will open a bottle of nice Rioja to celebrate. Here you can listen to it:
forvo.com/word/cetme/
Jokes aside: thanks for all the great content!
Did the detachable mag improvement not have any influence over mannlicher,like the Spanish full auto c96 copies did to Mauser ?
Those unidentified slide markings seem like a variant of Berber, which would make sense given the pistol's Spanish heritage.
Double magazine release levers seems like a real hindrance to quick use. Is there a noted purpose for that?
I would think it's a magazine disconnect but i dont know why
@@brianilbrink yeah it definitely would work like that
Possibly a mismatched magazine?
I'd bet that gun was a police sidearm somewhere, the extra serial number and goofy extra mag release just scream 'police acceptance' to me
Maybe to use other mags?
Ad for pork.org/cooking/ on 14JAN19 - with ad in mind, as far as production numbers are concerned, by the 1906 timeframe, was there not a series of FN Browning models coming out on the market for Spanish Gunsmiths to copy?
Another outstanding job Ian! I really enjoy your work. So much so that I have requested from my wife, as one of my birthday presents, to become a patreon member of Forgotten Weapons!
Ian, your effort in pronouncing foreign languages is deeply appreciated!
For those who’s wondering “PARA CARTUCHO BROWNING 7.65” means “For browning 7.65 cartridge”
something funny, one of the more proper Roblox games (Phantom forces) often uses your videos directly as a source for the guns in game, if i can be honest, it'd be kinda funny to see you play the game and see if the guns are accurately represented.
Wonder if the "32"could be some sort of rack number or order of issue designation?
I know people love to watch the really spectacular guns Ian manages to come up with, but I find these videos just as interesting, if not more. Keep up the good work sir !
I find the La Lira more attractive because of the .32acp being easily available.
One of the coolest logo ever, a lira-shaped snake
Could the 32 be a caliber marking instead of a serial number?
redbyrd64 a serial number as issued to a small police service maybe?
Spenny Bullen I still say it is the caliber, since that is the caliber of the weapon. I wonder if this one was imported to the states, or brought back by a soldier who had it marked with a reference to the us nomenclature for the caliber versus the European nomenclature for the caliber (7.65 mm).
@@redbyrd64 Just a coincidence probably, I think it's an inventory number, especially since it's on the frame and barrel, not just one place. Also I don't think this collection is necessarily in the US, Ian's done tons of videos from fireplace guy's collection and the big batches of videos he does usually are international trips to maximize number of videos per trip, so it being in reference to .32 ACP is kinda slim
The Omimessiah approves.
Mannlicher pattern holdout stub pistol?
Ah, good memories. On a side note, how safe are plasma pistols these days? Heard a while back that Cawl put a overcharge safety in them, and considering buying one, because we need some anti armor.
Gun Jesus back with another blessing
Hallelujah brother amen to that
It'd be interesting to dig around in Spanish archives to see if any of these pistols made it in to Spanish Civil War service. Judging from the fact they were ordered individually I'd be willing to wager that individual officers within the Spanish army might have ordered them (similar to the Japanese in WW2). Although, with many other weapons available, and in higher quantities, my assumption would be slim
If it was able to shot, it was used xD.
is that second one a police gun or guard gun given the heal release and extra serial numbers
You think maybe that stamped 32 means that it's 32 ACP?
Maybe it was an arsenal mark from either military (during their civil war?) or police use?
Doubt it, only the US calls it .32 ACP, it's 7.65 Browning everywhere else. At least one of these has "Browning 7.65" marked on it, don't think they'd mark it two different ways. I think it's an inventory number, especially since it's on the frame and barrel, not just one place.
@@dj1NM3 when they captured the weapons in the war they did not store and mark them, they gave them to civilians to fight.
The STAR version of the manlicher was a more like browning looking pistol in the frame and just like la lira in the slide y dont remenber its factory designation but it was called the " SINDICALISTA " because it was used by some union work parties for their defense corps in spain .
y look and the star designation was MODELO 1919 here y let the link tohistoriadelasarmasdefuego.blogspot.com/2008/12/pistola-star-mod1919-sindicalista.html
These are works of art.
Why are most Spanish guns copies or knockoffs of other weapons?
Probably the patent laws he talks about in the video...
Damascine for that tactical advantage.
La Lirian steel. The weapon of a legendary warrior. Will drop a White Walker at 50 paces!
Serial number 32: don't think so. possibly a caliber indication? 7,65mm browning is .32acp.
1 month to go from project lightening!
1 MONTH!???
I swear it was coming out today... damn
Wait I thought it was at the end of this month? What's the exact date it comes out?
Febuary 14th... its there in the trailer, but my mind just read "14" , so i thought it was today.
Everyone pile onto me if I'm wrong on this, but Ian frequently uses the term "spring tension". Wouldn't that be spring compression is most cases, or is it different in the context of firearms? Or am I wrong all together?
It's so beautiful!!! Viva España!!!
It's so pretty! Not only finish but design overall.
11:25
Was waiting the whole video for that moment
What I would have done, is register the patent and produce a single gun (or a small batch of guns) in the country at a local gunsmith. Then the patent should be valid.
Kind of brings to question why didn't the largest gun companies at the time never operated at least small symbolic manufacturing facilities within Spain to prevent the competitive liability that that Spanish patent law left open.
...and nowadays Spain is in the EU and has the according patent laws. Shit happens.
Well now I know where the developers of destiny got the inspiration for travelers chosen
Wow the barrel is situated so high... how does the recoil act?
Nice to see the working internals!
Patents are the purest expression of fascism
This is the earliest I have ever got FW.......ahhh fresh!
I have to ask--we've seen highlights from this collection several times now; is it located near Ian somewhere in Arizona? Versus someplace abroad?
What a beautiful elegant weapon.
Not as clumsy or random as a shotgun. It's a civilized weapon from a more civilized age. ;)
Can't wait for project lightning
Ian, do you have any experience/knowledge about the hammer main spring, of the Steyr pistol, being prone to breakage? Have real several forum posts about that.
The numbers stamped at the 7:00 Mark - Possible Police/Paramilitary/Military Unit Inventory Marks?
So beautiful!
I'd bet that one with the extra serial number and magazine release was a police sidearm somewhere. Having a goofy extra mag release seems like a decision cops would make.
The damascened version looks like something you'd expect to see a Columbian drug lord carry back in the day.
Really nice guns!! They need to be preserved forever. If folks a 100.000 years from now on could have acess to these would be awesome
Wow, they are way smaller than I thought from looking at pictures!
Looks like Ivan Danko's Podbyrin 9.2mm.
this wasn't in my subscriptions page.. even though I'm subbed. youtube always has to hate just to hate
Ok now this is Epic
How much? In £ please...
What is the La Lira's compacity?
.32 acp Mannlicher pistol.... I’ll take twenty.
How to smplyfy a Mannlicher 1901/05? La Lira!
Ian speaking spanish is the cutest sound of the universe x3
Ian can you do a vid on a Paraguayan or an Argentine Mauser if you find one?
Good gun, great hair
Best way to end a night shift....another forgotten weapon. Keep it up Ian, cant wait for your book!
i would guess the 32 is somthing some american did to remind him of the caliber. i have seen that done before.
Cool !
Very Cool pistols Ian an thanks for showing them Sir
their classy look and smaller than usual size make them a great lady's pistol.
please do a shoot of these ,,,,,,,
Thanks for the video. I am learning so much.
Ian's version of the Roosevelt "Fireside chat" nice
It looks like the M9's skinny grandfather
I wonder if youd do anything with a Colt Navy Revolver
YO DAWG I GOT THAT SKIN ON BATTLEFIELD 1
Ian mentioned the Star mannlicher's are they coming soon?
Desert Eagle. barrel and slide look like this gun on steroids lol.
wish they put this one on rdr2. I know I know I'm Sri .
The gun image on the grips is my favorite thing about these.
Beautiful death tool.
Early automatic pistols are super interesting
Ian you are doing great, thanks for the good content
I got a ad before the video, the first time ages.
Engravings are still badass though
非常棒的视频
11:43 whos throwing stuff off screen lol?
:)
Fun fact the "Lira" was the Italian currency from before than ww1 up to 1st of January 2002. I have got many of the Mussolini era coins with fascist stuff on it. Every time I look them an Italian ww2 soldier whit a carcano appears in my mind
...I want one.
That gold La Lira is a real beauty.
Pretty cool! Thanks Ian
La lira and La lira prime tbh