Jason, thanks for all the teaching! I would have never thought it'd be this easy. What would be really nice is to see you re-do that 36" TV set conversion to XY for us - a start to finish one, so including adjustments etc.
Wow great Video as usual Jason, this insight into Yoke winding has really allowed me to understand some of the Physics involved with how the picture works and the beams get steered into the Tube thanks!
Nice. I just got my kit from Fred - I'm a bit out of my element to say the least (I don't own a ZVG or an arcade board - basically have nothing to drive the display at this point which means once I make my vector monitor I'll be in the awkward position of needing to simultaneously test both the monitor and whatever I come up with to feed it vectors) - but on the other hand I'm having some success recapping an arcade monitor (also a first for me) so feeling a little more confident these days. Thanks for the info on the yoke rewinding procedure, I found it very helpful.
From one arcade nerd to another great work and awesome videos . What I would like to see though is Vector being drawn on a wall with a laser. I haven't seen anybody draw a laser beam fast enough to where it looks good.
Your channel is AWESOME! Thanks for videos like this! I've got DEZBAZ's repro Ampliphone and PAT 9000 repro vector boards and this will be invaluable to those projects.
Just followed your video to do this to a 19" Magnavox. I can't test it fully yet because I'm still waiting on my deflection board, but I did hook it back up to the TV and got a raster that was squished up in the vertical direction as expected (after I corrected my wiring because I wound up confusing myself about the coil polarity, haha).
Would the resistance way of measuring work regardless of CRT size? I have a nice and slightly intimidating flat 4" CRT from a SONY Watchman that I would like to do this procedure on. I'm learning as I go, but when dealing with stuff that runs on high voltage I want to do as much reading up on the subject as I can beforehand.
Hello Jason, congrats for the nice video and explanation ! Can you do a future video showing how to convert a low impedance yoke to a high impedance yoke to use on regular arcade chassis. Thanks a Lot Marcos
that was informative. pretty cool. I picked up a 27" tube from an RCA which has a 100* deflection. Is there any difference in the winding for a 90* to a 100* tube?
Thanks for this video, will be a great help in getting our FredKit up and running :) Quick question -- does the size of the tube affect the number of windings? Do we still want 100 to 120 windings for a 25 inch tube vs. a 19 inch tube?
the size of the tube is irrelevant . a 25""tube has a longer distance from the yoke to the screen therefore the picture is larger . no matter the tube you have wind it just like this . very glad this is helpful
The two coil halves are in series then? My readings seem high. I did this and got 3.4 ohm and 56mH. That seems high given the inside horseshoe is 4.1 ohm and only 2.2mH.
Would this apply to a yoke in a video poker machine? It's a 1983 IGT 701 Draw Poker with an RGB1401B chassis/crt. I have a collapsed vertical and an open vertical deflection coil...
I have the same machine! Recently purchased. I have nothing displaying at all... When power is applied to the monitor, the inside of the yoke starts to smoke... the copper winding wires on the inside coil of the yoke are all blackened look burnt so I think I need to rewind or replace the yolk and I'm looking for information about getting the display working again on this poker machine
Can this be used to adjust the resistance of any yoke? Say i had a yoke for a non vector 13" way out of spec "too high" for a chassis i have, can i just chip away at the resins, take off the mag and unwind until i bring it down into spec?
Why do you have to rewind a yoke to make it vector? Won’t the standard yoke work? Asking because I’m experimenting with sony watchman crt’s and my results are not so good. I assume it is the speed / resistance of the coils…
I use a bit of fire + emery cloth to strip enamel from copper wire but steak knife works too apparently! Heat does weaken the copper if you go that way.
ARCADE JASON, I'm confused on how XY deflection generator IC chips work the theory behind how they work and how XY deflection signals work or what they do, can you explain please? I haven't seen any videos of yours on how to Test XY deflection generator IC chips using a logic probe or oscilloscope so how do you test these XY deflection generator IC chips?
So the yoke can be re-wound and deflection boards are out there, and you also posted about rewiring the tube sockets, what about sourcing the tubes themselves? Could you grab a 19inch TV set off the side of the road and do similar conversions to then use it as a vector display?
That's awesome, thanks for the reply and the great videos. I'll be keeping an eye out for free working tubes then. I want to run my vectrex (and other vector games eventually) on something larger.
Mr. Jason I would gift you just one word Gorgeous video. simply explains how it can rewind. Very enjoyable video. I would ask you few questions. First, if yoke inside coil damaged , can we repair it? If we can , would you pls make another video for us. Second, how can we know how many coil round with yoke? Third, ? If coil turns less than required coil , (suppose 5 to 10 turns) does it creates any problem? or turn more than required coil , does it creates problem? Third, would you refer low price but good quality yoke? Fourth , would you pls make convergence adjustment video , vertical-horizontal settings video and power problem video for me. And again, this video is so important part of the yoke. Thanks for sharing.
ARCADE JASON, I don't understand how a YOKE can move the CRT beam up and down and side to side, how does the YOKE do this to the CRT screen? The YOKE voltage will cause a magnetism to the CRT screens what to move the beam?
One thing that wasn't explaining is what's the difference between a yolk in a raster tube versus a vector tube? Nearest I can tell it's just that there's fewer windings.
Awesome vid as always ! Keep up the great content. Got a question for you, now that my local Radio Shack closed its doors, where is the best place to shop for parts? Is there a comparable brick and mortar store? Or do I have to scour the internet ? And is there places I should avoid? Since I am new to the repair aspects of classic arcade games I am not sure how to get the best parts and not crappy repro or underperforming parts.
to be honest i am in the same boat myself . for example i have only used radio shack solder ever since i was 8 years old . digikey is a great place to buy parts from
@@aviphysics the inner coil is similar on most raster and vector yokes so a replacement should be easy to find. you could move the outer coils to a donor yoke
So RGB monitors sometimes have a pattern on the inside that looks like this: thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/rgb-screen-dots-seamless-pattern-analog-display-television-close-up-texture-vector-105172193.jpg But the original color vector monitors on say space duel or tempest, they didn't have that screen dot pattern, correct? So when you convert a traditional RGB monitor to a vector does it still has this sort of rasterized pattern? Are there traditional monitors that are better for converting that don't have this? Thanks.
great question! all arcade vector monitors use tubes that were originally made for tv sets so for an arcade game raster and vector tubes are the same thing
ha ha i actually started 3 different videos but haven't finished them or decided not to use it i have some things i have to do also so it may be another week until i put another video out
Hey jason i was looking at my monitor that i was talking to you about its a wells. I cant find the model i dont know if its a 7000 or what. Will a G07 chassis work in my monitor
can i use a standers Rasta tube with a vector chassis if i do this ? this guy used a Happ Controls KJ-1915 i dont know the resolution of that monitor if it higher or not then standers Rasta www.jrok.com/xfer/xystuff/
thanks for sharing this - great video as always!!- content is perfect- (suggestion for upcoming vid would be rebuilding power supplies) - I have a tempest with cracked tube and was looking for a TV with a 100 degree deflection to do a tube swap- is it better to use a 100 degree tube or just rewind coils on a 90 degree tube (and would I just wind them like you did in the video for a 100 degree tube or is there something different I need to do)- thanks! btw I am capturing my search for a tv with 100 degree tube swap on my youtube channel ruclips.net/video/3gvSL-rW23s/видео.html
a 100 yoke will wind the exact way. a90 tube and yoke will have exactly the same quality picture also you can reuse the plastic connector from your 6100 tube and use it on any cr23 socket or replace the socket on your 6100 nect board with a cr23
Jason, thanks for all the teaching! I would have never thought it'd be this easy. What would be really nice is to see you re-do that 36" TV set conversion to XY for us - a start to finish one, so including adjustments etc.
i have been meaning to do that right now i have it torn apart in a million pieces because i stole parts for other projects
Thanks for another helpful video! :) I'm still young (16 years old), but your videos is very simple, that i can understand it easily. Thanks again!
Wow great Video as usual Jason, this insight into Yoke winding has really allowed me to understand some of the Physics involved with how the picture works and the beams get steered into the Tube thanks!
glad to hear man
Thanks for this information. I've done this with a couple of yokes for an Amplifone and a WG6100 and it's worked great for both.
Nice. I just got my kit from Fred - I'm a bit out of my element to say the least (I don't own a ZVG or an arcade board - basically have nothing to drive the display at this point which means once I make my vector monitor I'll be in the awkward position of needing to simultaneously test both the monitor and whatever I come up with to feed it vectors) - but on the other hand I'm having some success recapping an arcade monitor (also a first for me) so feeling a little more confident these days. Thanks for the info on the yoke rewinding procedure, I found it very helpful.
GOOD TO HEAR MAN you can test your monitor with oscope music and your cell phone
From one arcade nerd to another great work and awesome videos . What I would like to see though is Vector being drawn on a wall with a laser. I haven't seen anybody draw a laser beam fast enough to where it looks good.
it can be done but it is too expensive for me
Your channel is AWESOME! Thanks for videos like this! I've got DEZBAZ's repro Ampliphone and PAT 9000 repro vector boards and this will be invaluable to those projects.
i am very glad it will help
Do you have a video on dialing in convergence for a homebrew color vector? Thanks...
Very informative video! You have teaching skills, Jason!
lol thanks i keep hearing that lately but when i watch my own vids i catch myself saying incorrect stuff
This is a great video! Do you know how the other windings are assembled on these? ie. the section on the inside of the cone!
thanks or the very informative video Jason!
Always love your videos mate, please keep up the good work.
Just followed your video to do this to a 19" Magnavox. I can't test it fully yet because I'm still waiting on my deflection board, but I did hook it back up to the TV and got a raster that was squished up in the vertical direction as expected (after I corrected my wiring because I wound up confusing myself about the coil polarity, haha).
Would the resistance way of measuring work regardless of CRT size? I have a nice and slightly intimidating flat 4" CRT from a SONY Watchman that I would like to do this procedure on. I'm learning as I go, but when dealing with stuff that runs on high voltage I want to do as much reading up on the subject as I can beforehand.
yeah close enuff i suppose
Hello Jason, congrats for the nice video and explanation ! Can you do a future video showing how to convert a low impedance yoke to a high impedance yoke to use on regular arcade chassis. Thanks a Lot Marcos
Wicked work. Never seen this done before.
Next I want to see how to manufacture actual tubes with household materials :D
i used to experiment with jars and vacuum pump ect when i was a kid
lol no kidding!
that was informative. pretty cool. I picked up a 27" tube from an RCA which has a 100* deflection. Is there any difference in the winding for a 90* to a 100* tube?
no difference glad this video could be usefull
thank yOu sO mUch 4 dis great teaching us tO rewind vectOr yOke, gOod jOb sir
Good stuff Jason.
Thumbs up man!
thanks carl
Dude! Great video! Good stuff!
thanks
Thanks for this video, will be a great help in getting our FredKit up and running :)
Quick question -- does the size of the tube affect the number of windings? Do we still want 100 to 120 windings for a 25 inch tube vs. a 19 inch tube?
the size of the tube is irrelevant . a 25""tube has a longer distance from the yoke to the screen therefore the picture is larger . no matter the tube you have wind it just like this . very glad this is helpful
That is very cool! Keep up the great work!
The two coil halves are in series then?
My readings seem high. I did this and got 3.4 ohm and 56mH. That seems high given the inside horseshoe is 4.1 ohm and only 2.2mH.
Would this apply to a yoke in a video poker machine? It's a 1983 IGT 701 Draw Poker with an RGB1401B chassis/crt.
I have a collapsed vertical and an open vertical deflection coil...
I have the same machine! Recently purchased. I have nothing displaying at all... When power is applied to the monitor, the inside of the yoke starts to smoke... the copper winding wires on the inside coil of the yoke are all blackened look burnt so I think I need to rewind or replace the yolk and I'm looking for information about getting the display working again on this poker machine
Can this be used to adjust the resistance of any yoke? Say i had a yoke for a non vector 13" way out of spec "too high" for a chassis i have, can i just chip away at the resins, take off the mag and unwind until i bring it down into spec?
I like to use the red enameled wire, so I can tell if I've sufficiently scraped it off before soldering.
TheFunderbunk yes I like the green too also sand paper works good
Thanks for this. Inspiring video! ... so .... How do you wind that inner coil if you have to?
Did you arbitrarily select 100 as the number of turns per coil?
Holy cow... nice work man!
thanks Adam
Cool video. Thanks!
Why do you have to rewind a yoke to make it vector? Won’t the standard yoke work? Asking because I’m experimenting with sony watchman crt’s and my results are not so good. I assume it is the speed / resistance of the coils…
I use a bit of fire + emery cloth to strip enamel from copper wire but steak knife works too apparently! Heat does weaken the copper if you go that way.
yup that will work
Just checking. That was 24g enameled wire, yes?
ARCADE JASON, I'm confused on how XY deflection generator IC chips work the theory behind how they work and how XY deflection signals work or what they do, can you explain please? I haven't seen any videos of yours on how to Test XY deflection generator IC chips using a logic probe or oscilloscope so how do you test these XY deflection generator IC chips?
So the yoke can be re-wound and deflection boards are out there, and you also posted about rewiring the tube sockets, what about sourcing the tubes themselves?
Could you grab a 19inch TV set off the side of the road and do similar conversions to then use it as a vector display?
yes ANY tube can be used as a vector monitor
That's awesome, thanks for the reply and the great videos. I'll be keeping an eye out for free working tubes then. I want to run my vectrex (and other vector games eventually) on something larger.
thanks for watching man
I can't find it in this video or the xy video, who did you say on KLOV is selling wound yokes?
Mr. Jason I would gift you just one word Gorgeous video. simply explains how it can rewind. Very enjoyable video. I would ask you few questions. First, if yoke inside coil damaged , can we repair it? If we can , would you pls make another video for us. Second, how can we know how many coil round with yoke? Third, ? If coil turns less than required coil , (suppose 5 to 10 turns) does it creates any problem? or turn more than required coil , does it creates problem? Third, would you refer low price but good quality yoke? Fourth , would you pls make convergence adjustment video , vertical-horizontal settings video and power problem video for me. And again, this video is so important part of the yoke. Thanks for sharing.
So, the vertical deflection winding always goes counter-clockwise as if looking at the feritte collar edge on?
great video
hope you can do a video about Candy cab one day
next time i work on one ill take out the camera
Hey Jason
Awsome vid!
Im looking to make a vector monitor
Which Hv & deflection vector
kit do you recommend ?
Cheers Dan
Jason, can a 19" K7000 be used in place of a 6100 tube? And would the yoke from the 6100 be a direct swap to the 7000? Thanks
ARCADE JASON, I don't understand how a YOKE can move the CRT beam up and down and side to side, how does the YOKE do this to the CRT screen? The YOKE voltage will cause a magnetism to the CRT screens what to move the beam?
Can you do the same for a K7000 and a k4915 med res yoke
How would this work with a yoke that has a smaller ferrite? I've got one here that I can only get about 60 turns on with 24 gauge wire
use a smaller wire and shoot for 80 turns if possible 60 will work but its close to the limit
One thing that wasn't explaining is what's the difference between a yolk in a raster tube versus a vector tube? Nearest I can tell it's just that there's fewer windings.
Jason vector monitor wizard
Please,why the gap in winding yoke,please answer,let the turn in side by side.
Awesome vid as always ! Keep up the great content. Got a question for you, now that my local Radio Shack closed its doors, where is the best place to shop for parts? Is there a comparable brick and mortar store? Or do I have to scour the internet ? And is there places I should avoid?
Since I am new to the repair aspects of classic arcade games I am not sure how to get the best parts and not crappy repro or underperforming parts.
to be honest i am in the same boat myself . for example i have only used radio shack solder ever since i was 8 years old . digikey is a great place to buy parts from
This is awesome! Thanks Jason. Is there a limit to the size tube you can do this with? I would love to make a 36" Tempest tube!
how to rewind ctv horizontal yok coil.please reply
Bro....How many turns are used each yoke poles???
Great vid!
Is that yoke originally from a WG K4600?
came from an old tv set but definitely the same plastic casing
Yeah, looks exactly like a 4600 yoke. Great video! Real Deal arcade nerd stuff! lol
Thank you sir.
Is this the same with a black and white monitor? I have a yoke from a wheels 2 that I'd like to vectorize.
you would have to measure the yoke windings first but most likey it will you can aslo use an asteroids yoke
what about the chassis, can you reuse the one from TV? or does it need to be made specifically for vector games?
you need to use a vector chassis but if you REALLY want to get hacking the tvs hv circuit and color driver circuits can be reused
Do you have a recommended fix for a broken wire on the interior coil?
I soldered the ends of mine together, and it looks like it works, but I am a little worried about the durability of the fix.
@@aviphysics the inner coil is similar on most raster and vector yokes so a replacement should be easy to find. you could move the outer coils to a donor yoke
@@ArcadeJason to be specific, this is a Vectrex yoke.
BTW, posted pics on your FB group.
What gauge copper wire did you use?
24 gauge enamel coated wire, he mentions in the video. :)
So RGB monitors sometimes have a pattern on the inside that looks like this: thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/rgb-screen-dots-seamless-pattern-analog-display-television-close-up-texture-vector-105172193.jpg But the original color vector monitors on say space duel or tempest, they didn't have that screen dot pattern, correct? So when you convert a traditional RGB monitor to a vector does it still has this sort of rasterized pattern? Are there traditional monitors that are better for converting that don't have this? Thanks.
great question! all arcade vector monitors use tubes that were originally made for tv sets so for an arcade game raster and vector tubes are the same thing
Jason I need your help Amplifone monitor in a new star wars project no yoke!!!!! can you help :)
David Pemberton contact me koppjason83@yahoo.com
HI Jason, What the next video going to be ?
I'm hang'n man !! LOL
ha ha i actually started 3 different videos but haven't finished them or decided not to use it i have some things i have to do also so it may be another week until i put another video out
Hey jason i was looking at my monitor that i was talking to you about its a wells. I cant find the model i dont know if its a 7000 or what. Will a G07 chassis work in my monitor
Great vid... but, your tabletop pattern is moderately triggering my Aspergers in a John Nash way.
Steampunk!
wow :)
can i use a standers Rasta tube with a vector chassis if i do this ? this guy used a Happ Controls KJ-1915 i dont know the resolution of that monitor if it higher or not then standers Rasta
www.jrok.com/xfer/xystuff/
uhfnutbar1 there is 2 yoke windings on a yoke if the lowest measured resistance is 1-3 ohms you are good to go
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thanks for sharing this - great video as always!!- content is perfect- (suggestion for upcoming vid would be rebuilding power supplies) - I have a tempest with cracked tube and was looking for a TV with a 100 degree deflection to do a tube swap- is it better to use a 100 degree tube or just rewind coils on a 90 degree tube (and would I just wind them like you did in the video for a 100 degree tube or is there something different I need to do)- thanks! btw I am capturing my search for a tv with 100 degree tube swap on my youtube channel ruclips.net/video/3gvSL-rW23s/видео.html
a 100 yoke will wind the exact way. a90 tube and yoke will have exactly the same quality picture also you can reuse the plastic connector from your 6100 tube and use it on any cr23 socket or replace the socket on your 6100 nect board with a cr23
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