I would like to say props to Jackalope's voice actor because his acting really scared me this time! And also, the writers of Jackalope's dialog here really knocked it out of the park.
What I'm really liking from this is Kotoko's development. Not in the sense that I like what she's doing, but that she's truly living up to the namesake of MILGRAM. The original milgram experiment was, to summarize, about seeing how far "innocent" people would go to hurt someone if ordered to by an authority figure. She's doing just that; hurting people under the reasoning of "they deserve it" and, as Jackalope said, the impression that she's our deputy. She thinks we, the authority figure, are warranting her actions. This makes my little rat brain VERY happy
I find it interesting that, in a way, we’re doing the same thing. All we have is the statement of a little bunny and a few music videos to say that they’re murderers. But it’s accepted as the truth. We technically don’t know any of the hard facts about each of the circumstances and details behind everything. So, if you think about it, you could say that we’re also blindly following what jackloupe says and punishing the prisoners.
It also makes me think of that experiment in a fake jail (stanford prison experiment). Some students were given the role of jailers and some were given the role of prisoners. They were not asked to do anything specific, but after a little while, the jailers started to behave very worryingly. Beating, neglecting, insulting and assaulting the prisoners. Even though no actual crime was committed and even though the roles were given randomly. The experience had to be stopped after 6 days because it was dangerous for the prisoners. That experiment is often studied in parallel to Milgram experience, as they complete each other. (Contrarily to the Milgram experiment, though, the stanford prison experiment results are not considered reliable.)
good take op!! she's taken our innocent vote as support for her plans, and whether she gets voted innocent or guilty next, i'm sure the results from other are going to be a sight to see. love this terrible girlboss
But i hope she will be voted as guilty in the second trial since i don't want anyone to die and not reaching the 3rd trial and i want to see what will happen to her because i'm sure that alter mikoto will get his revenge for softy mikoto, since mikoto is exempted of the rules of milgram then even if he is voted guilty he can still move freely unlike kotoko who will be restrained if voted guilty
@@KuroAn29 same. and now, knowing that he’s basically necessary to keep the others safe? Innocent until trial 3 (because I’m assuming since that’s the last, it will be like a final verdict.)
It's terrifying to think that if the community hadn't forgiven Shidou, Mahiru mightn't have made it to the second trial. That 1.97% voted on innocence saved a character.
Oh jeez- I didn't even realize it was that close. It kind of scares me to think what may happen after the second trial verdicts. After all, I want to get a full rounded idea of their crimes through all three trials.
I doubt they actually would've gotten anyone killed off in round 2 - it's more that they decided to come up with interesting character dynamics with the result, but I definitely think they wanted to threaten that it's a possibility in the third round. I'm sure without Shidou's innocence Mahiru would've been fine, but the reasons why would be different.
Also, if we didn't vote one more person guilty. In Kotoko's second voice drama, she said she'd attack Amane but ran out of time. What if she didn't? I'm 999999% sure Amane would've died.
"Milgram allows for morality, ethics, ... or sexual inclination as the basis for judgement. You have done just that in the first trial, and you have my gratitude" They'll never let us forget what happened with Mikoto huh.
@@marydah7392 I mean, given how overwhelmingly guilty his vote was, I don't think people fangirled enough by the looks of it In the words of a wise youtube commenter (someone called Eluen) from the MeMe comments section: "And if you think it’s disrespectful to the creators to vote for such shallow reasons, just look me in the eyes and tell me that the animators had no idea what they were doing when they made Mikoto undress three times in a four-minute video."
The fact that they’re actually willing to kill off prisoners is a bit scary, I was thinking they’d wait until the last trial to decide whether people should die or not. If anything happens to Shidou they’re screwed and I’ll be upset I really hope everyone is able to last through the second trial
@@dumbmonkey1313 On the other hand, who will restrain Mikoto in case his sleeping, blood-craving persona wakes up? If nobody gets hurt because Kotoko is restrained, then Amane will probably not attack Shidou (unless Shidou continues to tend the wounded, which is a definite trigger), but when it comes to Mikoto who has multiple personality disorder, then wouldn't it be better to have a guard dog be alert in case the ticking time bomb explodes?
Fr like if shidou get guilty on first trial mahiru would be dead already... then again i doubt the same thing gonna happen on 2nd trial since they might expect people to vote shidou innocent again
My favorite part about this is that its core is a test for all of us. True to its name, we are the real subjects being tested on not only logic and morals...but also obedience in the program. Our choice to protect or end lives in this project is what makes it great.
@@apiary_60 idk but i really would love to see it one day ! for some characters i feel like a tie is the best answer possible but the community would have to organise and i don't see that happening
Agh, it's really chilling knowing that because we voted certain prisoners as innocent or guilty, there would have been a chance that one or more would have been seriously injured, or like what would have happened to Mahiru without Shidou. . . dead. I'm really looking forward to how the 2nd trials will go!! But, let's all try to be wary this time!
So after watching the video, first reaction: wtf kotoko? Also, can't blame because it is partially our fault but I forgot how extreme people can become and of course Kotoko goes the extreme route. Second reaction: is domintion and submission going to be a thing in the second trial with Mu and Haruka? Like Mu got rich girl "I'm the queen" vibes and with what Jackalope said, Haurka is a "step on me, use me however you'd like" person apparently. Third reaction: wtf is going on with Amane?
@@frillspring Sorry. I meant like the whole domination and submission thing, not everything else that comes with it. I was running on no sleep and watched this. I should probably go change that.
@@idkonaname1511 oh yeah no problem! with jackalope saying they did the "lovey-dovey" i totally anticipated someone thinking their relationship is sexual (although i'm quite sure jackalope is just being a perv as usual)
So, there are 4 major facts we've learned from this video that I'd like to highlight. 1. Being voted "guilty" restricts a prisoner in some physical way (other than mentally ofc). We've been shown comics where the prisoners could put items that they'd like in the facility on a list to request them, so my guess is that feature is either taken away or more restricted for them. Perhaps they're also forbidden from roaming around and similiar comforts regarding the MILGRAM prison. Mikoto was also mentioned to be beyond restrictions, which MIGHT be related to him being able to fight back against Kotoko, but that's not 100% confirmed. 2. Mahiru would have been *dead* without Shidou's medical attention. It's not even an assumption, that's been stated as a fact. There was even a specific term named for it - "lost". I wonder if we'd still get all 3 MVs if someone was gone? 3. Amane is targeting Shidou. The exact reason is not stated but it's fair to assume it's related to the trauma shown in her MV (she got severely punished for giving proper medical care to a fellow child and later even driven to murder them to prove she's "a good girl"). If Amane gets chosen guilty again while Shidou doesn't, that man's gonna be obliterated. Or alternatively, she might target Mahiru to spite him (or us)...? Later we might see her try to bargain him a guilty verdict, we just have to see. Either way we must be extra careful regarding verdicts for these two... 4. Mikoto has some sort of identity disorder confirmed, meaning him being clueless about his crime was not an act, but in fact having a different set of memories from his "protective" self. (I'm torn about this personally. I believed that he was just being manipulative and disliked the "canon" theory, but maybe his story is just being told backwards. The reason why so many people empathized with Kotoko is because we saw her take down a child predator among other things, believing she might be justified. There HAS to be a reason why Mikoto even split and MILGRAM might be tricking us by showing his violent side first before giving us a "justifiable" reason for it.... Please Mikoto don't be protecting "yourself" only from the fact that you're violent...) 5̶.̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶i̶m̶p̶o̶r̶t̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶t̶:̶ ̶J̶a̶c̶k̶a̶l̶o̶p̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶s̶ ̶g̶i̶r̶l̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶o̶l̶d̶ ̶a̶t̶t̶i̶t̶u̶d̶e̶.̶ There's more to the video like for example Haruka and Muu's relationship, Mahiru going to die if any other physical affliction happens to her, our accidental(?) alliance with Kotoko but those are pretty straightforward.
Mahiru dying is honestly my biggest factor in voting. I may not fully like her, but it's like there's more to her that Jackalope is hinting at, and I'm not letting her off without getting those secrets out.
@@minty111 Its not a theory if dark Mikoto is literally bypassing the rules of Milgram because of the Two Souls thing going on. He's able to evade [Unforgiven] Consequences and physically attack the Warden. Unless it comes out Mikoto's prison garb is conveniently malfunctioned we can assume the two souls of Mikoto are infact two different characters and Milgram bound the wrong soul.
I'm assuming in the unfortunate case someone dies we might not be able to see the remaining MVs because they mentioned that the project takes their memories and makes it into an MV. So if the person itself isn't there, there won't be any videos left to create from the brain. Unless they do some voodoo shit ofc.
this just makes me wonder what would have happened if shidou was voted guilty. if mahiru had died, what would have happened? it would be interesting to see if they would continue to make new songs for her or not, or if they would just drop her entire character.
TBH, I really don't believe there was any voting outcome where any of the prisoners would've been dead for trial two. The creative staff would've found another way to utilize the innocent prisoners to protect the guilty ones. A big aspect of Milgram is definitely making the viewers feel guilty and wonder how things would've turned out if they voted differently-- but I'm positive there is no 'good route' or 'bad route'. Every choice would've led to some horrible angst later on, one way or another. There's no way to 'win' Milgram, but there's also no way to 'lose'; they need those characters alive in order to torment them, after all.
@@TheUndeadNinja A "good route" would be everyone be voted innocent and see the chaos ensue while they are still in prison (well, good in a sadistic way I suppose). And I say innocent because voting them guilty just restrains them and that's no fun.
@@TheUndeadNinja literally a presentation of ‘why are we here, just to suffer?’ including the prisoners, audience and the producers ;) (like how can they keep making all these masterpieces in a short time!?)
So the metavoting actually worked out somehow. By voting shidou innocent, we saved Mahiru's life. It's so interesting how votes on different prisoners can affect the overall situation. Theoretically, if we didnt vote Kotoko innocent we wouldn't be required to vote Shidou innocent to save someone's life. I think this adds a new dimension in the voting process. We need to think about the bigger picture now. Not just if they're innocent or guilty but how it could affect the overall environment of Milgram.
I love the direction the story has taken so far!!! Haruka and Muu's relationship, the hatred Amane holds for Shidou, how Mahiru would have literally died if Shidou hadn't been voted innocent... you get the idea. Just like Jackalope said, this opens a whole new way of judging. We definitely need to play our votes more wisely this time. I can't wait for the songs!!!!
I love how Shidou is helping the others~ He didn't want to be forgiven but now that he has, it seems like he can contribute good. I want him to live. Can't wait for the next videos!
I don't know, something seems off to me. Wouldn't it be convenient if the "worst" person of them all is so helpful that we actually forget to judge him based on his prior actions, so we never uncover his dark secret? 👀
@@fynnh5459 honestly even if he ends up being a piece of trash, he's too pretty so I'd have a hard time voting for his punishment. I'm just happy he seems to be changing for the better.
@@jysethia HE IS VERY PRETTY- it’s just that I’ve seen people voting Mikoto as innocent because they think he’s hot. I don’t want that to happen for other characters and it kinda ruins the project aaa But do whatever you want, I was just giving a suggestion! ;D
amane being voted guilty in the recent milgram updates always made me incredibly uncomfortable-when dealing with a cult/ex-cult member, the best way to get them out of that mindset is show them care and empathize, and the world outside isn’t as cruel as they were meant to believe. her being voted guilty and being put in a situation like this is not at all unsimilar to the negative reinforcement (re: child abuse) that she went through in the cult when she where she had already felt guilt and doubt as shown in her pv. even if it wasn’t on the surface, and giving her kindness from a rl psychological point wouldve helped break her out of that mindset by giving her the freedom to interact with others more openly and opening her eyes that there ARE kind people in the world. rather than ‘innocent‘ and ‘guilty’ the true deciding factor has always to ‘to forgive or not to forgive’. do you think a child is irredeemable for clinging to sanction after a life of abuse? do you forgive this child for going against the teachings of her cult, briefly? for doubting everything she was raised to believe for a brief moment? in the end, the cult abused her and forced her to kill someone for interacting with the outside world, to Show her what having faith in the outside world brings you, and milgram is treating her no better than how the cult punished her for believing in medicine: this is proving their point, that harsh punishment was accurate to how this world outside her cult would treat her if she went down this path. the cult had divided their beliefs and outside world, if the outside world revers medicine, and shidou was voted innocent, someone who abused his power as a person with medical authority and committed repeated malpractices and Wants to be guilty while at this point in time amane hasn’t currently done anything and has, by her pv, already felt haunted by her actions… her beliefs were punished by the outside world that she was already groomed to believe wouldn’t accept her, wouldn’t love her while hailing something already “diametrically opposed“ to her lifestyle as she’s been taught. in this case punishment hasn’t done anything but affirm that the cult teachings that the outside world is cruel and unkind. those awful awful heathens! refusing to listen to her and treat her as a person! isolating her and keeping her trapped in her own head, where her only comfort are her memories of how the cult was right and these outside beliefs bring nothing but woe and further engraving her teaching into her brain because the cruelty milgram is showing proves that they were right all along. ultimately this is a really hard case revolving her, and depending on how poorly she was treated or how badly she was triggered during her treatment, im not sure if it can be fixed??? a guilty vote won’t snap her out of her rage, and at this point she might even be too closed off that even kindness from others would just not help one bit after the recent trauma of being Fucked Over and not forgiven.
@@lostbutreal I think this mostly has to do with the way the voting system was presented before vs now-rejecting the ideas of Amane was how others thought to convince her out of it, and it wasn’t known until now what the impact would be. (like, affirming her in the beliefs of her cult seemed to be ultimately bad for her, we wouldn’t know of the further impacts of this.) I kind of get why people thought that was the right idea, and I think voting amane innocent in the first trial would be more “meta voting” tbh You see here that unrepentant prisoners get the harshest votes
i agree, im genuinely sorry for her, but the conditions are two: affirm her beliefs or reject them. there isnt much we can do, we cant kindly vote her guilty and send her to therapy 😭 even worse now because i already saw lots of people saying theyll vote her guilty again bc shes. actually dangerous especially if shidou (and kazui) get voted guilty. like. jackalope himself said she isnt herself anymore
Honestly, Amane being voted guilty because people wanted to 'show her that she was wrong' pissed me off so much like-- Sure, go ahead and essentially tell a brainwashed victim that they're wrong, see how well that goes lmao.
@@shy2infinity so people should have just affirmed her believes? "yes science doesnt exist and killing people that dont believe in your cult is right" like? theres not much we could do lmao. also "not forgiving a character to prove them wrong" we did this for mahiru and futa too
@@bothersomeprince I’m not angry that people did it, I’m angry about their reasons behind it. No matter what people would have done, her beliefs would have been affirmed anyways. Because brainwashing just ain’t that easy to break. It was a lose-lose situation all around.
one note about mikoto: in his voice drama, the host was the one who was unable to hit es, since his alter wasn’t affected. this makes me wonder that perhaps the host was the one who committed the crime, and that alter is just trying to protect him? but who knows, i am just feeling little a sweaty about the writing and i hope the staff are being very careful about mikoto. also i voted shidou innocent and i feel very vindicated by these developments
@@IzzyD.Anarchy that’s true now you mention it, but if bokukoto ever tries to go for es and his attack’s blocked that will definitely raise a bunch of questions
@@owoowo9782 and if successful, that could bring up two more theories: He is the only innocent person in Milgram, or there was a third personality that did it. Although it's kind of interesting that Jackalope classifies multiple personalities as "souls".
I wrote a theory like that in the comments of his video a while back. Basically, I think his alter roughed up the guy without killing him, but the guy followed him back to his house and tried to attack the host. So the host killed the guy in self-defense, but didn't realize he killed him.
I feel the same abt the writing… of course at least one alter has to be a killer since that’s the entire plot of milgram, but it seems like the stereotypical heartless serial killer alter and innocent good guy alter.
Remember when people voted Kotoko innocent and got pissed off at people who disagreed? Like, she's (was..) my favorite character! But I figured that people had learned by now that vigilante justice- ESPECIALLY from someone like Kotoko- is NOT someone you want to hold up in a positive light! Sadly, we don't have a super awesome real life Batman. Vigilantism, more often than not, doesn't end up well...
@@tipherethscrub982 I don't necessarily have an idea of a favorite, but yeah, the vigilante justice tends to get out of hand. We saw what happened with Futa's situation. Starts with an ideal of taking down criminals, but then starts enacting disproportionate retribution, and then people get hurt or worse. I mean, his was more on the social side of things when he did it, but his actions had consequences, and he had to face them at the end of Bring It On. Very worried about Kotoko overall. I didn't vote because I don't have a Twitter (and I'm too scared to change that), but I don't know if there's a good option for anyone. Originally my thought was "we have to vote everyone inno for first trial" but... I don't know.
Their animations have gone better ! Im really hoping to see and listen to the prisoners second trials songs! I want to know what sins and crimes they all have committed since the first trial was not that clear!
So from what I can tell, Jackalope wants us to vote Amane guilty in order to stop her from attacking Shidou (voting them guilty adds restraints bith physically and mentally it seems) since he healed the characters and went against her beliefs. He also wants us to vote Mikoto guilty to punish his other personality. Or at least it seems like he’s suggesting we do so. Here’s some notes I took, they’re a bit rushed I’ll fix them when it’s not 5:30 am and im not sleep deprived: I’m so scared to vote Muu as guilty due to Haruka’s dependence on her Mus personality is rubbing off on Haruka, keep that in mind for when his song is out Yuno is prolly the least guilty here, she seems to just have gotten abortions Also scared of voting Kotoko guilty because she will prolly fly off the rails and beat up everyone thinking it’s their fault we chose to do so But we can’t vote her innocent because then she’ll continue to harm the guilty ones We also don’t know if voting her guilty will just cause her to shut down tho since she thought she was providing justice and was punished for it Jackalope seems to want us to vote Amane guilty to restrain her from doing harm to the prisoners, but more especially Shidou Shidou must be kept innocent as he can help people, and we should prolly vote him as guilty during the last trial since that’s the one that truly decides their fate iirc cuz Jack The Ripper theory Remember that he apparently doesn’t wanna be voted innocent tho and that may play a part in his actions Kazui is suspicious, whyd he save Fuuta and not I forgot her name but the one who got beat Jackalope seems to want us to vote Mikoto guilty to also punish his other personality No thoughts on Fuuta, he’s more bark than bite really Hurt girl who’s name I forgot needs to be watched over. Any attacks from anyone could kill her, and we’re still not sure if she deserves to be punished as bad
from what I recall, Kazui said he didn't make it in time to help Mahiru (the one who nearly got beat to death). I think she was the first victim of Kotoko's beating and so it probably didn't set in with everyone that Kotoko was seriously intending to injure or even kill the ones who were not forgiven/guilty. but there's a few theories about Kazui that makes me on the fence about him, so I'm also very sus of him but for different reasons. (anyone can correct me if the info is wrong, it's from what I just read up about the events after the results)
Kotoko will 100% fly off the handle if voted guilty, which, considering how many fan favorites she attacked, is basically guaranteed at this point. I'm a huge Kotoko fan, but I'm also REALLY looking forward to seeing how this will affect her psyche. She's gonna be a hoot in trial three, for sure. :)
@@vvillon oh no I haven’t disregarded him, I just hadn’t slept for 17 hours and was so tired I couldn’t think. He’s one of the characters we don’t really have much stuff on since he’s always so guarded during character interactions, so I’m keeping an eye on him. He’s probably not gonna attack the characters which is what I meant by bark no bite
So this completely confirms Mikoto's weird case. It just seemed kind of farfetched that the system would even take account of a "different soul" instead of just restricting him regardless. Edit: Then again, Jackalope exists.
it's not really far-fetched in my opinion. alters in a system are in fact different identities. like alters are people in their own rights, the only difference is that they share a body with the host and instead of being born like you'd usually be, they formed as a result of trauma. but like mikoto and his alter(s) are different people. so it's just the same as if his alter had another physical body, the rules wouldn't apply to him. he's a different identity that isn't recognized as Mikoto. the only difference is he is within the same mind as Mikoto. Milgram is clearly elaborated and pretty strange to begin with. If they are capable of erecting a physical barrier that protects Es from attacks it isn't that far-fetched for the prison's system to recognize the host and his alter are different people and thus create a loophole in the rules. that's just my opinion tho
@@neidhardt8093 same, so far it all seems pretty stereotypical to me. As someone who’s done a lot of research on OSDD in particular, I hope they don’t end up portraying his disorder in a stigmatizing way.
I’m so late to this, but I love the little egg in there that Amane is hostile towards Shidou because he’s a real doctor. In Amane’s 1st trial music video, she was severely punished for healing someone with actual medical supplies rather than prayer.
Amane's and Shidou's relationship is very interesting. We saw in her song that her cult or clan is against helping others (she was punished for helping the cat). Now that she's even more immersed in her cult's belief, Shidou helping others triggers her. I wonder if she'll try to brainwash him just as the clan brainwashed her? I don't think she'll be successful because she's a small child and he's a grown man, but I'm definitely curious about the whole "hostility towards Shidou". Edit: Maybe the cult is not against helping others (they want to help the cat by praying) but it's against medical attention specifically. Since Shidou is a doctor, Amane disliked him from the beginning because his proffesion is against her beliefs.
one of Amane's voice line is ''I warned him, but if he still continues doing it, i will have to make a move, if you dont want this you should stop him'' idk really what she will do to him but i do hope they dont have access to knifes since her eyer looks like she could kill
Amane will grow to become a very dangerous prisoner if we leave her unchecked and underestimate her because she's a child, definitely one to keep an eye on
It's not that Amane has become more immersed in her cult's belief after the round, it's that she has always been like that by the time she entered Milgram. The extent of her indoctrination is such that voting her innocent in the first round would have reinforced her cult mentality but voting her guilty does not change it because she refuses to accept that what she's been taught is wrong. Either way her brainwashing is still in tact and people like Shidou would likely still be her targets no matter what, she's just more openly hostile about it in the latter scenario.
It’s interesting to think that the second trial songs may not be just about their murder anymore, but also about the things currently going on. Amane could be singing about Shidou in her song just as much as her murder It also makes Mu’s “because he never says no to me” make a lot more sense with Haruka in mind
It might be a bit late to say this, but this video just brought home that this project is freaking phenomenal. The discussion and debate it sparks, the characters, the music - Deco and the team have truly outdone themselves.
![MILGRAM / The Second Trial Character Voice Trailer [Full Ver.]](/img/1.gif)
アマネにとってシドウの行動が地雷だったっていうのはやっぱり医療行為のことだよね？
神様にお祈りすれば治るって信じきってるっていう考察は正解っぽい
ミコトの多重人格も公に言われたしちょっとずつ正解も教えてくれてるのが面白い
アマネちゃんの宗教で、医療行為がいけないとされるのは、
「人は運命を生きよ」
という教義があるからですかね。
第一審を見た感じ一直線に恋をしただけのマヒルちゃんがボロボロにされてるの辛すぎ……いやまだ彼女の罪分かってないんだけども……
I would like to say props to Jackalope's voice actor because his acting really scared me this time! And also, the writers of Jackalope's dialog here really knocked it out of the park.
Jun Fukuyama is the GOAT! love him in code geass he's so awesome
No kidding, when he started getting worked up at the end it seriously gave me chills
He is honestly more chilling in this video than the last one he was last in-
That's Jun Fukuyama for you
nah bcs when he was so giddy about amane's it gave me goosebumps what could we have done that only he knows
What I'm really liking from this is Kotoko's development. Not in the sense that I like what she's doing, but that she's truly living up to the namesake of MILGRAM. The original milgram experiment was, to summarize, about seeing how far "innocent" people would go to hurt someone if ordered to by an authority figure. She's doing just that; hurting people under the reasoning of "they deserve it" and, as Jackalope said, the impression that she's our deputy. She thinks we, the authority figure, are warranting her actions. This makes my little rat brain VERY happy
I find it interesting that, in a way, we’re doing the same thing.
All we have is the statement of a little bunny and a few music videos to say that they’re murderers. But it’s accepted as the truth.
We technically don’t know any of the hard facts about each of the circumstances and details behind everything.
So, if you think about it, you could say that we’re also blindly following what jackloupe says and punishing the prisoners.
im just sad we cant tell her to stop dickriding us without voting her guilty cause I dont think she did anything wrong personally
It also makes me think of that experiment in a fake jail (stanford prison experiment). Some students were given the role of jailers and some were given the role of prisoners. They were not asked to do anything specific, but after a little while, the jailers started to behave very worryingly. Beating, neglecting, insulting and assaulting the prisoners. Even though no actual crime was committed and even though the roles were given randomly. The experience had to be stopped after 6 days because it was dangerous for the prisoners. That experiment is often studied in parallel to Milgram experience, as they complete each other. (Contrarily to the Milgram experiment, though, the stanford prison experiment results are not considered reliable.)
good take op!! she's taken our innocent vote as support for her plans, and whether she gets voted innocent or guilty next, i'm sure the results from other are going to be a sight to see. love this terrible girlboss
But i hope she will be voted as guilty in the second trial since i don't want anyone to die and not reaching the 3rd trial and i want to see what will happen to her because i'm sure that alter mikoto will get his revenge for softy mikoto, since mikoto is exempted of the rules of milgram then even if he is voted guilty he can still move freely unlike kotoko who will be restrained if voted guilty
Anyone who voted to forgive Shidou simply because he was hot, you have my sincerest gratitude
Voted inno because he say he wished to not be forgiven. To me that's a form of punishment.
mahiruhead solidarity with shidou fuckers!!!!
@@KuroAn29 Interesting. This never occurred to me, but I agree with your last statement. (that felt like "the Good Place" Season 1 finale moment)
@@KuroAn29 same here. that combined with the simps was a force to be reckoned with.
@@KuroAn29 same. and now, knowing that he’s basically necessary to keep the others safe? Innocent until trial 3 (because I’m assuming since that’s the last, it will be like a final verdict.)
カズイは近親相姦説おしてたけど、ジャッカロープがわざわざ「なんでフータを守ったんだろうなぁ」って言ってるあたり同性愛者説濃厚なのかなぁ……。
判決結果で人間関係まで変わるとは思ってなかった…
想像以上に深く作り込まれていて最終的に皆どうなっちゃうのか想像できない
It's terrifying to think that if the community hadn't forgiven Shidou, Mahiru mightn't have made it to the second trial. That 1.97% voted on innocence saved a character.
Oh jeez- I didn't even realize it was that close. It kind of scares me to think what may happen after the second trial verdicts. After all, I want to get a full rounded idea of their crimes through all three trials.
I doubt they actually would've gotten anyone killed off in round 2 - it's more that they decided to come up with interesting character dynamics with the result, but I definitely think they wanted to threaten that it's a possibility in the third round. I'm sure without Shidou's innocence Mahiru would've been fine, but the reasons why would be different.
Also, if we didn't vote one more person guilty. In Kotoko's second voice drama, she said she'd attack Amane but ran out of time. What if she didn't? I'm 999999% sure Amane would've died.
赦すor赦さないで思想が肯定or否定されたっていう言い換えで凄く分かりやすくなる…
2審も楽しみ
"Milgram allows for morality, ethics, ... or sexual inclination as the basis for judgement. You have done just that in the first trial, and you have my gratitude"
They'll never let us forget what happened with Mikoto huh.
FR LMAO
@@hanimiki5926 fangirlism
@@marydah7392 I mean, given how overwhelmingly guilty his vote was, I don't think people fangirled enough by the looks of it
In the words of a wise youtube commenter (someone called Eluen) from the MeMe comments section:
"And if you think it’s disrespectful to the creators to vote for such shallow reasons, just look me in the eyes and tell me that the animators had no idea what they were doing when they made Mikoto undress three times in a four-minute video."
@@jl8417 LMAOOOO 💀
@@jl8417 Welp can’t say anything to that xD
こういうすごい作り込んだゲームとかなら見たことあるけどネット上でリアルタイムでやれるの本当すごい
2:16 「あははは(乾いた笑い)見てらんねぇな」
の緩急が好きです…
The fact that they’re actually willing to kill off prisoners is a bit scary, I was thinking they’d wait until the last trial to decide whether people should die or not. If anything happens to Shidou they’re screwed and I’ll be upset I really hope everyone is able to last through the second trial
i’ll be so distraught if one of my favorites die
though it’s contradicting because muu is one of my favorites and she’s getting a little cheeky right now so…
If Kotoko is voted guilty then she will be restrained and won’t have as much freedom, therefore won’t kill anyone. Simple.
@@dumbmonkey1313 On the other hand, who will restrain Mikoto in case his sleeping, blood-craving persona wakes up? If nobody gets hurt because Kotoko is restrained, then Amane will probably not attack Shidou (unless Shidou continues to tend the wounded, which is a definite trigger), but when it comes to Mikoto who has multiple personality disorder, then wouldn't it be better to have a guard dog be alert in case the ticking time bomb explodes?
Fr like if shidou get guilty on first trial mahiru would be dead already... then again i doubt the same thing gonna happen on 2nd trial since they might expect people to vote shidou innocent again
まじで運営がすごすぎんのよ、、、
赦されなかった4人の新ビジュすき
赦さないとこういう風になると思うと一旦全員赦さないでいきたさもある(
わかる
2:14
ジャッカロープ「4番とイチャイチャしている…あはははははww見てらんねぇな(ｽﾝｯ」
ここ素に戻るのすこ&草
3:05 4:52 5:07 7:26 10:27 ここも草
あと声優さんの演技力すごい
全然死ぬ可能性あるのかこれ
それにしてもハルカとムウの依存関係が特に人間味を帯びていて面白い
思想の否定ってかなりキツいものだから許されりゃ調子乗るし許されなきゃ変わっちまうよなぁ…
すごく面白い楽しみ
赦さなかったり赦したり、この判決次第で囚人たちの関係が変わるのか.....
シドウさんが赦されなかったらこの中でもう手遅れが起きてしまったのか.....
にしてもムウとハルカが共依存関係....まさかちょっと違うとはいえ色恋沙汰（依存関係）みたいなことも起きるとは....これを赦せない人物たちもいるだろうしムウとハルカの審判がどうなるかだな.....
個人的にはムウとハルカが赦せない人が多くなりそう
ハルカくんとムウが共依存関係とか有り得なさすぎて…マジでムウ赦さん
ムウは後半で色々と真実が明らかになってきた感があったから、そこを加味するかどうかにもよるんじゃないかな？
ハルカが赦されなかったら非支配欲求が制限されて関係は難しくなる。ムウが赦されなかったらこれまたムウの欲が制限されてハルカの相手が出来なくなる。
どちらも赦されなかったらこの関係は一度終わるだろうし、互いのどちらかが赦されなくても起きそう。
でもどちらも赦されればこの関係はもっと深まるかもしれないし、ハルカは個人的には非愛欲が満たされれば誰でもよさそうだし....
いやあ、自己の思いが優先すればこの審判はまた大きく変わりそうだな...
My favorite part about this is that its core is a test for all of us. True to its name, we are the real subjects being tested on not only logic and morals...but also obedience in the program. Our choice to protect or end lives in this project is what makes it great.
FR, that's why I love Milgram
Plss! Tie the vote for amane
@@starpeep5769what happens when a tie happens?
it is so so interesting!!!!! i wish i'd found Milgram sooner!!
@@apiary_60 idk but i really would love to see it one day ! for some characters i feel like a tie is the best answer possible but the community would have to organise and i don't see that happening
誰を赦して赦さなかったかによって攻撃されたり命が助かったり新たな関係が生まれたり…。思ったより作り込まれててびっくりしてる、、
ジャッカロープが言うように、確かにキャラへの思い入れとかもできてて推しキャラに幸せでいて欲しいとか思ってるからもう公正な判断とかわからん…。第1審の、なんとなく、が通じないな
最初に言われた通り｢どんな判断で赦す赦さないを決めてもいいけど、どうなるかは分からない｣が本当にあって正直震えが止まらない。｢赦した時はこんなことになるはずなかった！｣や｢赦さなかったからこんなことになったんだ｣とかほざいてても自分たちが下した判断で、今はそれを生かして第2審をどうするかっていうのが大事だと思う。Twitterやコミニュティに挙げられてる皆のほのぼのした日常が恋しいけどそういう風に戻ることはもう無いのかなと考えると胸が痛い。
これあれだ、推しが許されなかった時ほんとに辛いけど罰後のイラストも凄い好きになって混乱するやつだ…。
やっぱりコトコちゃんがミルグラムそのものだね
彼女かなり鍵だよ、彼女の行動がこの先影響を大きく与えていくと思う
怪我人いるのなんでやと思ったら、コトコちゃんの仕業か。
アマネちゃんやっぱり誰かを助けたことで、宗教の人に洗脳されたのか。
改めてアマネちゃんの二曲目聴いたら「お前を否定しよう」ってあって、否定された子が否定してきた相手を否定するんかと……
単純にしどうさん(医療に対して)にかもしれないけど
Agh, it's really chilling knowing that because we voted certain prisoners as innocent or guilty, there would have been a chance that one or more would have been seriously injured, or like what would have happened to Mahiru without Shidou. . . dead. I'm really looking forward to how the 2nd trials will go!! But, let's all try to be wary this time!
ハルカくんとムウちゃんの依存関係って多分どっちも欲求を満たしてくれるなら誰でも良いんだろうな...
やっぱり、コトコちゃんは狂ってるレベルで正義に酔いしれてる。赦さなかった人たちを悪として退治しなきゃ行けないと思い込んでる
コトコのやっている事はやりすぎてる…コトコの第二審がイヤな予感しかしない…
@@tukihotaru2193 赦されないって判決された時のコトコちゃんがどうなるのか見てみたさもありますがとっても怖いです😨
発狂して壊れそう！
見てみたいな。
単純に正義を赦さなかった(否定した)エス側を断罪しに向かうかもね。
@@鶴谷みかん
確かにですね、有り得そうです😱
THE SECOND TRIAL SONGS ARE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER
So after watching the video, first reaction: wtf kotoko? Also, can't blame because it is partially our fault but I forgot how extreme people can become and of course Kotoko goes the extreme route. Second reaction: is domintion and submission going to be a thing in the second trial with Mu and Haruka? Like Mu got rich girl "I'm the queen" vibes and with what Jackalope said, Haurka is a "step on me, use me however you'd like" person apparently. Third reaction: wtf is going on with Amane?
@@idkonaname1511 look like the demon possessed amane
@@idkonaname1511 Haruka and Mu are minors so I don't think BDSM is going to come into play at all
@@frillspring Sorry. I meant like the whole domination and submission thing, not everything else that comes with it. I was running on no sleep and watched this. I should probably go change that.
@@idkonaname1511 oh yeah no problem! with jackalope saying they did the "lovey-dovey" i totally anticipated someone thinking their relationship is sexual (although i'm quite sure jackalope is just being a perv as usual)
いやミコトさ、コトコと戦って互角なのかっこよすぎてヤバい。
マヒルは言うまでもなく次赦さなかったら不味いけどフータも次で赦さかったらダメになるか瀕死で耐えられるかの五分五分な気がして怖い…。フータは一番好きだから余計に心配してしまう。誰も死なないで欲しい
キャラの見た目だけで判断して欲しくないってずっと思ってたけどそれもまたミルグラムの策略なんだよな…尊い😇
ミルグラムですよ😎😎
@@reikatsukiyuki8106
失礼しました🙇♀️ありがとうございます😊
赦す赦された後の話？をしてくれるの嬉しい
これで判断する材料が多くなる
ジャッカロープが一番好きかもしれん
ちょくちょく出る煽りとか尻尾ふりふりとか声とか全部好き
わかるぅｩｩｩｩｩ
So, there are 4 major facts we've learned from this video that I'd like to highlight.
1. Being voted "guilty" restricts a prisoner in some physical way (other than mentally ofc). We've been shown comics where the prisoners could put items that they'd like in the facility on a list to request them, so my guess is that feature is either taken away or more restricted for them. Perhaps they're also forbidden from roaming around and similiar comforts regarding the MILGRAM prison.
Mikoto was also mentioned to be beyond restrictions, which MIGHT be related to him being able to fight back against Kotoko, but that's not 100% confirmed.
2. Mahiru would have been *dead* without Shidou's medical attention. It's not even an assumption, that's been stated as a fact. There was even a specific term named for it - "lost". I wonder if we'd still get all 3 MVs if someone was gone?
3. Amane is targeting Shidou. The exact reason is not stated but it's fair to assume it's related to the trauma shown in her MV (she got severely punished for giving proper medical care to a fellow child and later even driven to murder them to prove she's "a good girl"). If Amane gets chosen guilty again while Shidou doesn't, that man's gonna be obliterated. Or alternatively, she might target Mahiru to spite him (or us)...? Later we might see her try to bargain him a guilty verdict, we just have to see. Either way we must be extra careful regarding verdicts for these two...
4. Mikoto has some sort of identity disorder confirmed, meaning him being clueless about his crime was not an act, but in fact having a different set of memories from his "protective" self. (I'm torn about this personally. I believed that he was just being manipulative and disliked the "canon" theory, but maybe his story is just being told backwards. The reason why so many people empathized with Kotoko is because we saw her take down a child predator among other things, believing she might be justified. There HAS to be a reason why Mikoto even split and MILGRAM might be tricking us by showing his violent side first before giving us a "justifiable" reason for it.... Please Mikoto don't be protecting "yourself" only from the fact that you're violent...)
5̶.̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶i̶m̶p̶o̶r̶t̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶t̶:̶ ̶J̶a̶c̶k̶a̶l̶o̶p̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶s̶ ̶g̶i̶r̶l̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶o̶l̶d̶ ̶a̶t̶t̶i̶t̶u̶d̶e̶.̶
There's more to the video like for example Haruka and Muu's relationship, Mahiru going to die if any other physical affliction happens to her, our accidental(?) alliance with Kotoko but those are pretty straightforward.
Mahiru dying is honestly my biggest factor in voting. I may not fully like her, but it's like there's more to her that Jackalope is hinting at, and I'm not letting her off without getting those secrets out.
"Did she do sething really that bad?"
Makes me think this was an accident or something that could be considered something equivalent.
I personally think Jackalope is just parroting Kotoko's theory about Mikoto to throw us all off, honestly.
@@minty111 Its not a theory if dark Mikoto is literally bypassing the rules of Milgram because of the Two Souls thing going on. He's able to evade [Unforgiven] Consequences and physically attack the Warden. Unless it comes out Mikoto's prison garb is conveniently malfunctioned we can assume the two souls of Mikoto are infact two different characters and Milgram bound the wrong soul.
I'm assuming in the unfortunate case someone dies we might not be able to see the remaining MVs because they mentioned that the project takes their memories and makes it into an MV. So if the person itself isn't there, there won't be any videos left to create from the brain. Unless they do some voodoo shit ofc.
うーわ…
ミルグラムの本性出てきたよ～…
カズイさんがマヒルさんよりもフータくんを守ることを優先したの結構気になるな〜…
あと赦さなかった人より赦した人の方がヤバさが増してる気がする
ヒトゴロシってのは変わらなくて、でもそのことへの正義感とか自分の欲求云々とかで赦すか赦さないかを決めるって恐ろしい…正義をもとに人を傷つけ殺すことすら厭わないコトコが赦されて、自分の欲求、でも目を覚まさしてやろうと思ったフータが赦されずボコボコにされるってエグい
こうなったらめちゃくちゃになると思うけど一審で許した人たちを全員許さず、逆に許さなかった人たちを全員許すってしたらどうなるか見てみたい。
「一審では許してくれたじゃん、どうして」、「やっとわかってくれたんだ！」ってなるのか、それとも予想もしてない何かが起こるのか、気になる。
筋トレのお供の音楽探してたら見つけました。こんなに面白そうなコンテンツを今まで知らなかったことは悔しいですが、曲やキャラクター達がほんとに魅力的で一気に惹かれました。筋トレしてて良かったです。
this just makes me wonder what would have happened if shidou was voted guilty. if mahiru had died, what would have happened? it would be interesting to see if they would continue to make new songs for her or not, or if they would just drop her entire character.
TBH, I really don't believe there was any voting outcome where any of the prisoners would've been dead for trial two. The creative staff would've found another way to utilize the innocent prisoners to protect the guilty ones. A big aspect of Milgram is definitely making the viewers feel guilty and wonder how things would've turned out if they voted differently-- but I'm positive there is no 'good route' or 'bad route'. Every choice would've led to some horrible angst later on, one way or another. There's no way to 'win' Milgram, but there's also no way to 'lose'; they need those characters alive in order to torment them, after all.
@@TheUndeadNinja A "good route" would be everyone be voted innocent and see the chaos ensue while they are still in prison (well, good in a sadistic way I suppose). And I say innocent because voting them guilty just restrains them and that's no fun.
@@TheUndeadNinja literally a presentation of ‘why are we here, just to suffer?’
including the prisoners, audience and the producers ;) (like how can they keep making all these masterpieces in a short time!?)
@@TheUndeadNinja the light novel revealed that in the previous MILGRAM experiment, not all the prisoners were alive when the experiment took place.
@@ranpo_edogawawhat light novel? Which prisoners?
ミコトに怪我なかったのってやっぱりそういうことだったのか、、、
もしシドウさんやカズイさんが第一審で赦されていなかったら何が起きてたんだろうか……そして今後彼らが赦されなければ……怖えよMILGRAM……
第二審は単純に囚人の罪で判断できなくなるってことね
審判結果による囚人同士の相互作用も考慮しないといけないということだね
考察要素が増えて、ますます面白くなってきた！
第二審が始まる…！
新たな判断基準が現れたって言われてドキっとしました。
思想はおろか、囚人の生死さえここで決まってしまうかもしれないという緊張感…。これからますます面白くなりますね！！
マジで思ってたより深く考えさせられたよねこれ
シドウは難しいよね…
本人は望んでないのに赦されて、赦されたから他の囚人を助けられたし。
第三者目線では赦されてほしいけど、それを本人が望んでないからな…
おもろっとかウケるとか本当に心から楽しんでる感じがめちゃくちゃ不穏でドキドキする
二審では曲がどうだろうと、赦してはいけない人間が出てくるよね。
個人的にムウ、コトコは赦すべきじゃないと思う(曲以前の問題)
ムウはハルカに悪影響を与えたので赦せません(完全に私情)
放置するとやばい
どっちでもヤバそうなのがミコト
ムウとコトコは赦すべきじゃないのめっちゃ分かります…
コトコに関しては赦したらマヒルさんみたいに重症者や、もしかしたら死亡者みたいに途中退場する人も出てきそうで怖いですよね
So the metavoting actually worked out somehow. By voting shidou innocent, we saved Mahiru's life. It's so interesting how votes on different prisoners can affect the overall situation. Theoretically, if we didnt vote Kotoko innocent we wouldn't be required to vote Shidou innocent to save someone's life.
I think this adds a new dimension in the voting process. We need to think about the bigger picture now. Not just if they're innocent or guilty but how it could affect the overall environment of Milgram.
最近知って何となくこの動画を再生したんですけどエスくんの横顔美しすぎて泣いちゃった(脳死)
わたしの審判によって本当に囚人たちが裁かれて、裁かれたことによって囚人との関係が変わって実際に変わった後のお話聞いて ... もう怖いって気持ちしかない (語彙力)
赦されなかった人たちがぼろぼろになってたの、うさぎの仕業かと思ってたらまさかコトコちゃんだったとは ... ほんとに囚人皆が怖い ...
まさにミルグラムって感じだね。
看守になるか罪人になるかで立ち振る舞いが変わる。
看守になったコトコは罪人に手を出し、罪人は思想を否定されたことにより自分自身を保てなくなっていく。
一部例外はあるけどそれもどうなるのか楽しみ。
個人的には現時点で看守側に立ってるユノが無関心なの面白いと思った。
まじで楽しみだけど無理だけはしないでほしい。
I love the direction the story has taken so far!!! Haruka and Muu's relationship, the hatred Amane holds for Shidou, how Mahiru would have literally died if Shidou hadn't been voted innocent... you get the idea. Just like Jackalope said, this opens a whole new way of judging. We definitely need to play our votes more wisely this time. I can't wait for the songs!!!!
I love how Shidou is helping the others~ He didn't want to be forgiven but now that he has, it seems like he can contribute good. I want him to live. Can't wait for the next videos!
I don't know, something seems off to me. Wouldn't it be convenient if the "worst" person of them all is so helpful that we actually forget to judge him based on his prior actions, so we never uncover his dark secret? 👀
@@fynnh5459 honestly even if he ends up being a piece of trash, he's too pretty so I'd have a hard time voting for his punishment. I'm just happy he seems to be changing for the better.
@@jysethia I don’t think you should be voting based on a prisoner’s appearance. :,)
@@Moeqt I mean I just said I would have a hard time voting for his punishment, I'd probably still do it if it's what he needed. BUT DAMN IS HE PRETTY.
@@jysethia HE IS VERY PRETTY- it’s just that I’ve seen people voting Mikoto as innocent because they think he’s hot. I don’t want that to happen for other characters and it kinda ruins the project aaa
But do whatever you want, I was just giving a suggestion! ;D
まって下手したらフータ死ぬルートとかあったの！？
マヒルレベルにボロボロになるだけじゃない？
恐らくシドウさんとカズイさんが赦されていなかったら有り得たと思います
“Let the second trial begin” literal goosebumps
コトコちゃん、もう赦しちゃダメでしょ…
彼女は囚人であって、罪を裁かれる人なのに監獄内でこれ以上罪を重ねてしまうかもしれない…止めなきゃ駄目だ…
フータくんとマヒルさんはこれ以上赦さないってしたら最悪な選択を選ぶ可能性もあるよね…?!かなり精神参ってるし
2人ともいい人だから赦したい…
今ハルカくんからのタイムライン来て心底ビビったしなんか嫌な予感がしていざ見たら
「看守さん、聞こえていますか？
聞こえているんですよね
尋問でお話した通りです
……ムウさんを赦してください」って
言っていた時なんか鳥肌が立ってしまった＆何故このタイミングでそれを言ってきたのかさえ謎すぎるから
余計怖い
ハルカくんも我々看守達の存在を知ってしまったのとこの投票を知ってしまったんだね
それを見て焦ってこちら側に聞いたんだよね
でもね何と言おうと私はムウを赦さないよ
Above all the theories and lore, can we just appreciate the visuals and animation like dang 1:34 was fun to watch
カズイさんがフータくんだけ助けたのって、好意を向けやすいのが男性だからなのかなとか思ってしまう。
あとコトコちゃんがアマネちゃんに手を出さなかったのも気になる。
アマネちゃんが特別というわけじゃなくて、子どもには優しいんだと思う。
もしコトコちゃんがテレビ番組のヒーローなどに影響されたのだとすれば、
「ヒーローは子どもを助けるものだ」→「子どもを傷つけてはいけない」
と考えているのかもしれない。
なんだかんだ推し以外深く追えてなかったからまとめてくれるの助かる...！
コトコ推しの身として趣味嗜好で許したけど、次はきっと許されない、、、。 そうなった時の第二審終了後が今から気になるな。
囚人個人を許すかどうかだけじゃなくて、誰と誰にそれぞれどんな判決を下したらどうなる、って感じで展開が変わってしまうからたちが悪いですね(好き)
ハルカくんが自己肯定感増々になってくれたのは嬉しいけど…ムウちゃんと依存関係かぁ…
コトコって赦されなかったフータ、マヒル、ミコトは襲撃したのに、同じく赦されなかったアマネにだけ襲撃してないって流石に子供を痛めつけるのはためらうのかな
コトコが自分の正義感よりも倫理観を優先してるのが意外だから子供関連で過去になんかありそう
Nope she didn’t have time if she did she would had definitely attack amane
amane being voted guilty in the recent milgram updates always made me incredibly uncomfortable-when dealing with a cult/ex-cult member, the best way to get them out of that mindset is show them care and empathize, and the world outside isn’t as cruel as they were meant to believe. her being voted guilty and being put in a situation like this is not at all unsimilar to the negative reinforcement (re: child abuse) that she went through in the cult when she where she had already felt guilt and doubt as shown in her pv.
even if it wasn’t on the surface, and giving her kindness from a rl psychological point wouldve helped break her out of that mindset by giving her the freedom to interact with others more openly and opening her eyes that there ARE kind people in the world.
rather than ‘innocent‘ and ‘guilty’ the true deciding factor has always to ‘to forgive or not to forgive’. do you think a child is irredeemable for clinging to sanction after a life of abuse? do you forgive this child for going against the teachings of her cult, briefly? for doubting everything she was raised to believe for a brief moment? in the end, the cult abused her and forced her to kill someone for interacting with the outside world, to Show her what having faith in the outside world brings you, and milgram is treating her no better than how the cult punished her for believing in medicine: this is proving their point, that harsh punishment was accurate to how this world outside her cult would treat her if she went down this path.
the cult had divided their beliefs and outside world, if the outside world revers medicine, and shidou was voted innocent, someone who abused his power as a person with medical authority and committed repeated malpractices and Wants to be guilty while at this point in time amane hasn’t currently done anything and has, by her pv, already felt haunted by her actions… her beliefs were punished by the outside world that she was already groomed to believe wouldn’t accept her, wouldn’t love her while hailing something already “diametrically opposed“ to her lifestyle as she’s been taught.
in this case punishment hasn’t done anything but affirm that the cult teachings that the outside world is cruel and unkind. those awful awful heathens! refusing to listen to her and treat her as a person! isolating her and keeping her trapped in her own head, where her only comfort are her memories of how the cult was right and these outside beliefs bring nothing but woe and further engraving her teaching into her brain because the cruelty milgram is showing proves that they were right all along.
ultimately this is a really hard case revolving her, and depending on how poorly she was treated or how badly she was triggered during her treatment, im not sure if it can be fixed??? a guilty vote won’t snap her out of her rage, and at this point she might even be too closed off that even kindness from others would just not help one bit after the recent trauma of being Fucked Over and not forgiven.
@@lostbutreal I think this mostly has to do with the way the voting system was presented before vs now-rejecting the ideas of Amane was how others thought to convince her out of it, and it wasn’t known until now what the impact would be. (like, affirming her in the beliefs of her cult seemed to be ultimately bad for her, we wouldn’t know of the further impacts of this.) I kind of get why people thought that was the right idea, and I think voting amane innocent in the first trial would be more “meta voting” tbh
You see here that unrepentant prisoners get the harshest votes
i agree, im genuinely sorry for her, but the conditions are two: affirm her beliefs or reject them. there isnt much we can do, we cant kindly vote her guilty and send her to therapy 😭 even worse now because i already saw lots of people saying theyll vote her guilty again bc shes. actually dangerous especially if shidou (and kazui) get voted guilty. like. jackalope himself said she isnt herself anymore
Honestly, Amane being voted guilty because people wanted to 'show her that she was wrong' pissed me off so much like-- Sure, go ahead and essentially tell a brainwashed victim that they're wrong, see how well that goes lmao.
@@shy2infinity so people should have just affirmed her believes? "yes science doesnt exist and killing people that dont believe in your cult is right" like? theres not much we could do lmao. also "not forgiving a character to prove them wrong" we did this for mahiru and futa too
@@bothersomeprince I’m not angry that people did it, I’m angry about their reasons behind it. No matter what people would have done, her beliefs would have been affirmed anyways. Because brainwashing just ain’t that easy to break. It was a lose-lose situation all around.
囚人によってはそれぞれの役割があって新しい判断基準が生まれるの面白すぎる
これ２回目の審判でもまたゆるされなかった人達また許されなかったらどうなるのか…楽しみだけどまさか一回目の結果でこんなにやばいのは想像してなかった
1:47 Prisoner No. 1: Haruka Sakurai
2:19 Prisoner No. 2: Yuno Kashiki
2:51 Prisoner No. 3: Futa Kajiyama
3:37 Prisoner No. 4: Mu Kusunoki
4:09 Prisoner No. 5: Shidou Kirisaki
4:54 Prisoner No. 6: Mahiru Shiina
5:29 Prisoner No. 7: Kazui Mukuhara
6:08 Prisoner No. 8: Amane Momose
6:48 Prisoner No. 9: Mikoto Kayano
7:52 Prisoner No. 10: Kotoko Yuzuriha
ついに公式がミコトは多重人格者だって認めた…！これからどうするか…
ちなみにフータは何で赦さないのかよく分からんから、私はずっとフータの味方です。
ミルグラム…カオスになってきた…。
推しが沢山出来ればできる程辛くなるね…。
でも推しが闇落ちしてる姿も良いよね…。
2審楽しみだぁ
どんどん不穏になる……怖いけどすごく楽しみ
one note about mikoto: in his voice drama, the host was the one who was unable to hit es, since his alter wasn’t affected. this makes me wonder that perhaps the host was the one who committed the crime, and that alter is just trying to protect him? but who knows, i am just feeling little a sweaty about the writing and i hope the staff are being very careful about mikoto.
also i voted shidou innocent and i feel very vindicated by these developments
Then again, the host didn't attempt it, so we don't know for sure.
@@IzzyD.Anarchy that’s true now you mention it, but if bokukoto ever tries to go for es and his attack’s blocked that will definitely raise a bunch of questions
@@owoowo9782 and if successful, that could bring up two more theories: He is the only innocent person in Milgram, or there was a third personality that did it. Although it's kind of interesting that Jackalope classifies multiple personalities as "souls".
I wrote a theory like that in the comments of his video a while back. Basically, I think his alter roughed up the guy without killing him, but the guy followed him back to his house and tried to attack the host. So the host killed the guy in self-defense, but didn't realize he killed him.
I feel the same abt the writing… of course at least one alter has to be a killer since that’s the entire plot of milgram, but it seems like the stereotypical heartless serial killer alter and innocent good guy alter.
聞き返したい人用
0:00 オープニング
1:47 囚人番号1番ハルカ
2:19 囚人番号2番ユノ
2:52 囚人番号3番フータ
3:37 囚人番号4番ムウ
4:09 囚人番号5番シドウ
4:54 囚人番号6番マヒル
5:23 囚人番号7番カズイ
6:08 囚人番号8番アマネ
6:48 囚人番号9番ミコト
7:52 囚人番号10番コトコ
9:12 まとめ
Hey remember when people were pissed off that Shidou was voted innocent?
Man how the turns have tabled.
Now we're gonna keep innoing Shidou not out of morals, but as the dedicated healer lmao
@@draaxus2969 well you can't keep the team alive without a healer so
Remember when people voted Kotoko innocent and got pissed off at people who disagreed?
Like, she's (was..) my favorite character! But I figured that people had learned by now that vigilante justice- ESPECIALLY from someone like Kotoko- is NOT someone you want to hold up in a positive light! Sadly, we don't have a super awesome real life Batman. Vigilantism, more often than not, doesn't end up well...
@@tipherethscrub982 I don't necessarily have an idea of a favorite, but yeah, the vigilante justice tends to get out of hand. We saw what happened with Futa's situation. Starts with an ideal of taking down criminals, but then starts enacting disproportionate retribution, and then people get hurt or worse. I mean, his was more on the social side of things when he did it, but his actions had consequences, and he had to face them at the end of Bring It On. Very worried about Kotoko overall. I didn't vote because I don't have a Twitter (and I'm too scared to change that), but I don't know if there's a good option for anyone. Originally my thought was "we have to vote everyone inno for first trial" but... I don't know.
I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, but oh my god. oh my god. the sheer gratitude when he healed them. inno-ing him next since they NEED a medic.
Their animations have gone better !
Im really hoping to see and listen to the prisoners second trials songs!
I want to know what sins and crimes they all have committed since the first trial was not that clear!
So from what I can tell, Jackalope wants us to vote Amane guilty in order to stop her from attacking Shidou (voting them guilty adds restraints bith physically and mentally it seems) since he healed the characters and went against her beliefs. He also wants us to vote Mikoto guilty to punish his other personality. Or at least it seems like he’s suggesting we do so.
Here’s some notes I took, they’re a bit rushed I’ll fix them when it’s not 5:30 am and im not sleep deprived:
I’m so scared to vote Muu as guilty due to Haruka’s dependence on her
Mus personality is rubbing off on Haruka, keep that in mind for when his song is out
Yuno is prolly the least guilty here, she seems to just have gotten abortions
Also scared of voting Kotoko guilty because she will prolly fly off the rails and beat up everyone thinking it’s their fault we chose to do so
But we can’t vote her innocent because then she’ll continue to harm the guilty ones
We also don’t know if voting her guilty will just cause her to shut down tho since she thought she was providing justice and was punished for it
Jackalope seems to want us to vote Amane guilty to restrain her from doing harm to the prisoners, but more especially Shidou
Shidou must be kept innocent as he can help people, and we should prolly vote him as guilty during the last trial since that’s the one that truly decides their fate iirc cuz Jack The Ripper theory
Remember that he apparently doesn’t wanna be voted innocent tho and that may play a part in his actions
Kazui is suspicious, whyd he save Fuuta and not I forgot her name but the one who got beat
Jackalope seems to want us to vote Mikoto guilty to also punish his other personality
No thoughts on Fuuta, he’s more bark than bite really
Hurt girl who’s name I forgot needs to be watched over. Any attacks from anyone could kill her, and we’re still not sure if she deserves to be punished as bad
i kinda wanna see what happens if amane is innocent ngl, like can a 12 year old really pulverize some 29 year old man
from what I recall, Kazui said he didn't make it in time to help Mahiru (the one who nearly got beat to death). I think she was the first victim of Kotoko's beating and so it probably didn't set in with everyone that Kotoko was seriously intending to injure or even kill the ones who were not forgiven/guilty. but there's a few theories about Kazui that makes me on the fence about him, so I'm also very sus of him but for different reasons. (anyone can correct me if the info is wrong, it's from what I just read up about the events after the results)
Kotoko will 100% fly off the handle if voted guilty, which, considering how many fan favorites she attacked, is basically guaranteed at this point. I'm a huge Kotoko fan, but I'm also REALLY looking forward to seeing how this will affect her psyche. She's gonna be a hoot in trial three, for sure. :)
@@vvillon though, all he’s done has been social, so no physical harm would be dealt. I could see him driving someone to 🕴 though.
@@vvillon oh no I haven’t disregarded him, I just hadn’t slept for 17 hours and was so tired I couldn’t think. He’s one of the characters we don’t really have much stuff on since he’s always so guarded during character interactions, so I’m keeping an eye on him. He’s probably not gonna attack the characters which is what I meant by bark no bite
やばい、開始からずっと見てて参加してたけどこんなに楽しいコンテンツだと思ってなかった…最高！！！第二審も楽しみにしてます！
これ、第一審が赦さない→赦すになったらもっと混乱する人もいそう。
シドウさんがいなくなったらとか考えちゃうしどうなるやら……
カズイさん、仮面で偽って女に興味あるように「見せている」って考察あったけど、まさか…？
So this completely confirms Mikoto's weird case. It just seemed kind of farfetched that the system would even take account of a "different soul" instead of just restricting him regardless.
Edit: Then again, Jackalope exists.
i find it interesting tbh, like milgram is that high-tech or something… it’s cool how it can recognize the different souls
Yea that's why I'm kinda 50/50 on it. Maybe it's exactly how it's laid out but something feels fishy about it. Guess we'll see with the second MV.
it's not really far-fetched in my opinion. alters in a system are in fact different identities. like alters are people in their own rights, the only difference is that they share a body with the host and instead of being born like you'd usually be, they formed as a result of trauma. but like mikoto and his alter(s) are different people. so it's just the same as if his alter had another physical body, the rules wouldn't apply to him. he's a different identity that isn't recognized as Mikoto. the only difference is he is within the same mind as Mikoto. Milgram is clearly elaborated and pretty strange to begin with. If they are capable of erecting a physical barrier that protects Es from attacks it isn't that far-fetched for the prison's system to recognize the host and his alter are different people and thus create a loophole in the rules. that's just my opinion tho
@@ikeywikeywikey hi offtopic but Ilove yor username! hellchar spreading all over the world🐈⬛
@@neidhardt8093 same, so far it all seems pretty stereotypical to me. As someone who’s done a lot of research on OSDD in particular, I hope they don’t end up portraying his disorder in a stigmatizing way.
I’m so late to this, but I love the little egg in there that Amane is hostile towards Shidou because he’s a real doctor. In Amane’s 1st trial music video, she was severely punished for healing someone with actual medical supplies rather than prayer.
Amane's and Shidou's relationship is very interesting. We saw in her song that her cult or clan is against helping others (she was punished for helping the cat). Now that she's even more immersed in her cult's belief, Shidou helping others triggers her. I wonder if she'll try to brainwash him just as the clan brainwashed her? I don't think she'll be successful because she's a small child and he's a grown man, but I'm definitely curious about the whole "hostility towards Shidou".
Edit: Maybe the cult is not against helping others (they want to help the cat by praying) but it's against medical attention specifically. Since Shidou is a doctor, Amane disliked him from the beginning because his proffesion is against her beliefs.
Idk about brainwashing but from her song preview it seems she wanted to strangle him more
one of Amane's voice line is ''I warned him, but if he still continues doing it, i will have to make a move, if you dont want this you should stop him'' idk really what she will do to him but i do hope they dont have access to knifes since her eyer looks like she could kill
Amane will grow to become a very dangerous prisoner if we leave her unchecked and underestimate her because she's a child, definitely one to keep an eye on
@@nao_san She won't do anything with Es present, but I'm worried what might happen after the second trial. The man's in danger
It's not that Amane has become more immersed in her cult's belief after the round, it's that she has always been like that by the time she entered Milgram. The extent of her indoctrination is such that voting her innocent in the first round would have reinforced her cult mentality but voting her guilty does not change it because she refuses to accept that what she's been taught is wrong. Either way her brainwashing is still in tact and people like Shidou would likely still be her targets no matter what, she's just more openly hostile about it in the latter scenario.
ついにミコトの二重人格が公式で明言されたな……
ミルグラムで裁かれる対象は主人格のミコトだから、殺人鬼の人格を生み出した主人格に罪はあるのかってところで判断しなきゃいけないのか
マヒルがほんとに壊れそうなまでに追い詰められてるのって愛という感情だけで生きてきたからなんだろうなぁ…一途やでほんとに…
一途ゆえに愛がその分重いかもしれないけどでもすごいことだからマヒルちゃん好きです😭
そしてあのハルカくん自信もってくれたのは嬉しいけどムウちゃんと依存関係はその…ダメな方向に向かう感じがするからあのそのやめてくれ😭
マヒルさんの精神がヤバいし可哀想すぎる…フータくんも病み状態？になりかけてるしこの二人はガチで救いたい…後ハルカくんとムウの関係を一刻も早く引き裂きたい このままだとハルカくんがダメになっちゃう
@@huwarari9926 分かります😢
マヒル、フータに関してはまだ何が起きたのか明かされてないこともあって救いたいですよね…
分かります…ムウちゃんも好きなんですけど…最推しハルカの私としてはムウちゃんだけは行ったら行けない方向性に向かうのわかってるので距離を置いて欲しいと思ってます…( •̥ ˍ •̥ )
@@桜花-q8o もしハルカくんが赦さないになってムウが赦すになったらこの二人距離取るどころかハルカくんを裏切りそうな感じでモヤモヤするし辛い…マヒルさんとフータくんは根はいい人なのは確かなんだよなぁ…
これ以上苦しめさせたくない 必ず救わなきゃ…
@@huwarari9926 分かります…分かります…
第二審の曲視聴の時点でムウちゃんヤバい子なのわかってるので私たちにとって望む結果じゃない動きしかしなさそうですもんね…
そうですね…
根はいい子なのはわかってるのでちゃんとどんな動きをするのか見て自分の意思で判断して救ってあげたいですね…😭
今のミルグラム判断間違えたりしたら第一審よりも地獄になりそうなので……
@@桜花-q8o ムウの曲のタイトルが完全に本性出てるからますます赦したくないし
今回はムウに対して赦さないに投票する人がいっぱいいると心から願う…
話が絡まってわからなくなる部分もあったと思うので、第一審の判決によって人物間で起きたことまとめます。
(この動画から得られる情報のみの内容なのでドラマCDとは解釈が異なる場合があると思われます。もし事実と違うことがあれば返信欄で訂正して頂けると助かります。)
○ハルカ→ムウとの依存関係が生まれる
○ユノ→人に対する興味を失う…？
✕フータ→コトコからの襲撃にあい軽傷。（カズイによって守られ、シドウによって治療される）
○ムウ→ハルカとの依存関係が生まれる
○シドウ→赦されたことによって2人を治療
✕マヒル→コトコの襲撃にあい重症（シドウによる治療で死を免れる）
○カズイ→コトコからフータを庇う
✕アマネ→シドウの医療処置に敵対意識を持つ
✕ミコト→コトコの襲撃に対抗し無傷
○コトコ→赦されなかった囚人に対して私刑を行う
【これらの事実から第二審以降に予測されること】
･マヒルの死
･シドウが赦されず、コトコが赦される状況になれば多くの犠牲者が発生する
ハルカくんとムウちゃんの関係は破滅するの間違いなしでちょっと壊しておきたいのだ🥺
何がトリガーになるの分からなさすぎて地獄なんだなぁ😩
this video gave me so much chills oh my god...the animation ?? and just how jackalope is in this?? just wow,, IM SO EXCITED FOR TRIAL 2
ミルグラムの言葉の意味と本質が見えて来てゾクゾクする。
続きに期待！！
おそらくガチ恋勢が多いであろうハルカにムウちゃんぶつけるのやべぇな……第二審こわい。
For English audiences, The translate has a lil mistake. At Mahiru-nee intro, It's "Rejected" not "Affirmed".
I'm so Excited!!
Aha, I thought that seemed off. Thanks for the confirmation!
ミルグラム始まってすぐの時は、囚人たちがお互いこんなに影響し合うこととなるとは思ってなかった…
今後はその囚人が許す・許さないことでどんな行動を取るのかも考慮しないといけないのか…？
それだともう正義とか関係なくなっちゃうけど
コトコはエスくんに仲間意識持ってるからそれを裏切られて、身体的に不自由で罰の代行も出来ず不安状態になった姿見てみたいからとにかく赦したくない(コトコちゃん大好きです)
あと一途に愛を歌うマヒルちゃん好きだし、一審の審問でエスくんにガチ恋してるの可愛かったから赦してあげたい
一審は申し訳ないけどなんとなくで選んでたけど二審は本当慎重に選ばないととんでもないことになりそう…
でもより人間性がリアルになってきててある意味面白いな
フル曲が全員気になりすぎる
It’s interesting to think that the second trial songs may not be just about their murder anymore, but also about the things currently going on. Amane could be singing about Shidou in her song just as much as her murder
It also makes Mu’s “because he never says no to me” make a lot more sense with Haruka in mind
みんな可哀想で可愛いね
ミルグラムの中でしかいきられないかもしれないのに殺しあうようなことしたり上下関係ができたり醜い感じが箱庭って感じで可愛いね
思ってたよりも凄い展開になってる,,
It might be a bit late to say this, but this video just brought home that this project is freaking phenomenal. The discussion and debate it sparks, the characters, the music - Deco and the team have truly outdone themselves.
いやもうすごすぎて...！！！
人間の心理にも語りかけてるのハンパねぇ...！
エスくんのお顔美しすぎるな……！！？
ついにほんとに始まっちゃった…どきどきする……
動画も細かい演出沢山あって見所あるし、囚人同士の関係が拗れてるの怖すぎる！！！
公式がこうやって細かく説明してくれるの本当に有難い……けど普通に｢〜〜なら死んでた｣とか口に出すの怖すぎるな！！このウサ ジャッカロープ怖い！！！しっぽフリフリしてるのは可愛いのに……
また色々意味深な発言してるし 相変わらずジャッカロープに私たちのことすごく見透かされてる気分になるし 楽しくなってきた……(こわい)
俺様たち……ね……
シドウの二審の曲の歌詞すっごいなって思ってたんだけどあれ混乱してたんだ
現時点での考察
ハルカ&ムウ
赦されなかった場合、思想を制限されることからお互いの共依存はなくなる(できなくなる)。どちらか片方が赦されなかった場合も同様。
赦された場合、共依存が悪化。
これはムウとハルカの共依存を赦すか赦さないかで決まりそう。でも、赦さないに偏りそう。(特にムウ)
ユノ&フータ
結果がどうであろうとあまり周りに影響を与えなさそうなことからMVの解釈によって変わりそう。
シドウ
赦されなかった場合、第二審で赦されたコトコからの襲撃を治療する人がいなくなることからかなりミルグラムが危険。
赦された場合、赦されたコトコからの襲撃を治療することができる。また、アマネからかなりの恨みをかう。(襲撃されるかも？)
ミルグラムの安全面を考えると赦すが安定。かなり偏りそう。
マヒル
許されなかった場合、第一審で赦されたコトコの襲撃によって傷をかなり負った状態での第二審でも赦されたコトコからまた襲撃され、死亡。(シドウが赦されていたらまだわからない)
マヒルが赦されなかった場合、1番死亡する確率が高いため、赦すに偏りそう。
カズイ
赦されなかった場合、第二審で赦されたコトコから襲撃されるが、フータを守れたことから軽傷or引き分けになりそうだけれど、それで体力が削られ、フータの時のように囚人1人を守ることは厳しそう。
赦された場合、第二審で赦されたコトコの襲撃から囚人1人を助けることができる。
ミルグラムの安全面を考えたら赦すが安定。
アマネ
今の状態だとどっちに転んでも危なそう。赦した方がいいのか赦さない方がいいのかわからない。
ミコト
赦されなかった場合、主人格でない別の人格が昼夜関係なくでてきそう。違う人格のもの達は主人格を守るためには手段を選ばないことからエスへの襲撃もありえる。(完全予想)
ミコト本人は犯罪を犯していないという主張のことから赦されても赦されなくてもあまり変わらなそうだけれど、違う人格はアマネのようにどう転んでも危険。
コトコ
赦された場合、赦されなかった囚人達への襲撃。
赦されなかった場合、自分を赦さなかったエスへの襲撃。(完全予想)
コトコは第一審でわかった通り、囚人達への襲撃を行う危険人物なことから赦さないに偏りそう。
(キャラによって赦されなかった場合だけ、赦された場合だけ、どちらも書いてないキャラがいます！)
(長文失礼しましたm(_ _)m)
じゃあこれコトコを許さないでいれば誰も傷つかず丸くおさまるかっていうと多分そんなことは無くて、行き過ぎた正義感が自分に刃を向ける可能性も無きにしも非ずだから投票に戸惑う