"too fast, too frequently" has been living in my head rent-free since the first time i watched this. both guest were a blast! thank you for putting this online.
Nish's point at 15:00 is what I've been saying since I first heard Kamala's speech. That's just what South Asian mums say, people. It's actually quite coherent, but hearing American pundits talk about it like it's out of left field, honestly, I've been mad about it for months - Kamala's not being weird, she's reporting what mum said *exactly* as she said it.
My Dad says: You'll be waiting for the pineapple to fall off the tree. which I take to mean, you'll be waiting forever/it's not going to happen. I imagine cucumber town is because cucumbers are like 90% water or something.
I just realized as they were talking about a pod dating app, that Pod Shag the UK and Pod Save the UK both have an acronym read "Suck "with a silent "p." I'm sorry for sharing this.
NISH- your colleague Jon Lovett has a couple of BRAT explainers on the PSA Lovett or Leave It RUclips channel. Just FYI. It is a bit hard to explain, but he does an excellent job.
The only reason I follow UK politics now, as a Dane, is because of what a spectacle Brexit was. So much of it was livestreamed on various channels here on YT and Twitch. What a time to be alive.
One of the big issues with the "we need to criticize our own side" comment is that we already have a tendency to hyperfixate on our own side's faults. Particularly online, people tend to completely go off on people they see as persuadable, leading to things like the mass panic over Biden's poor debate performance while Trump doing things like calling for genocide is seen as business as usual on the left. There's also the issue that it creates a false equivalency, a sense that members of one party making a minor gaffe has the same weight as the other party's major policy decisions. Like, obviously criticism should still be leveled where it's deserved, but in a media ecosystem like the one we're in it's very easy for "constructive criticism" to turn into active undermining of your own side.
Scrutiny of the left is good, criticism is fine. It only becomes a problem when it leads to so much cynicism that it creates apathy among voters. Comedians like Jon Stewart were more than happy to go after Obama and the left just as hard as they went after Bush and the right, but I think that ultimately led to a large number of Americans feeling like both sides were exactly the same and nothing really mattered, and that led up to 2016 where a lot of people honestly believed that there was no difference between Clinton and Trump. I think past that line is where political satire can be a net negative to society.
People weren`t apathetic in 2016...they knew there was a difference between Clinton and Trump...that`s what he mobilised people on...he wasn`t from the usual political arena. There was no way equal criticism of Obama compared to Republicans in politics. Left-wing media was and is relentlessly anti-right to the point of making up stories. In 2016, people were fed up with the media/city left...and enter Trump with a backing of the population who were far from apathetic. You`re just trying to prevent any criticism of the left.
Two of the most distinct and what I would lovingly call 'dirty' laughs over these two episodes (I'll let you guess from who...), which made me wonder, do Tories ever laugh unless it's in a 4-poster made of money in there 3rd tax-payed home, which is also made of money?
I think the Priti Patel brat link is due to Charlie having a Gujarati Indian parent and being british. Because there is no other similarity and the conflation is bizarre.
I do think Nish misses something about satire and a healthy democracy because in countries without freedom of speech, you couldn’t have the Daily Show. It might feel like disaster capitalism (although I would argue it serves a role in keeping people interested in civics), but it’s so much better than countries where you would be jailed for it.
Satire is seriously funny & necessary. If you think what you believe is the right thing to believe, satire will make you question yourself and make you think again - healthy. The Brits don't do it any more.
Adam Hills is always a beacon of light for those feeling lost in the misery that too often divides us.
Agreed. Keemah Bob however is as annoying, in what she says, as how she sounds. Which is difficult
That was lovely.
"too fast, too frequently" has been living in my head rent-free since the first time i watched this.
both guest were a blast! thank you for putting this online.
It's nice to see Adam Hills again, really looking forward to The Last Leg returning.
Nish's point at 15:00 is what I've been saying since I first heard Kamala's speech. That's just what South Asian mums say, people. It's actually quite coherent, but hearing American pundits talk about it like it's out of left field, honestly, I've been mad about it for months - Kamala's not being weird, she's reporting what mum said *exactly* as she said it.
Nish's mother was the best ending to this! As an American I want to believe that most people are good in every country. We can't let the fascists win!
This was brilliant ❤ I won't lie, I get pretty bogged down in it all. So finding hope, and looking at things through humour is so important. 💪
This show should probably always have a live “studio” audience
Great end to the tour! Very proud of both of you!! Last show vibes. ❤🎉
Bremner, Bird and Fortune "Between Iraq and a hard place" was an amazing piece of television !!
I could imagine Keir Starmer issuing a warrant on Tim Walz for writing on a street sign !!
so did he get her number?
My Dad says: You'll be waiting for the pineapple to fall off the tree. which I take to mean, you'll be waiting forever/it's not going to happen. I imagine cucumber town is because cucumbers are like 90% water or something.
I love Kemah Bob! Her humour brings a much needed different vibe to the pod, get her on more! ❤
I just realized as they were talking about a pod dating app, that Pod Shag the UK and Pod Save the UK both have an acronym read "Suck "with a silent "p." I'm sorry for sharing this.
NISH- your colleague Jon Lovett has a couple of BRAT explainers on the PSA Lovett or Leave It RUclips channel. Just FYI. It is a bit hard to explain, but he does an excellent job.
The only reason I follow UK politics now, as a Dane, is because of what a spectacle Brexit was. So much of it was livestreamed on various channels here on YT and Twitch. What a time to be alive.
We hated it, but what can you do.
ok you saved it a little towards the end
One of the big issues with the "we need to criticize our own side" comment is that we already have a tendency to hyperfixate on our own side's faults. Particularly online, people tend to completely go off on people they see as persuadable, leading to things like the mass panic over Biden's poor debate performance while Trump doing things like calling for genocide is seen as business as usual on the left. There's also the issue that it creates a false equivalency, a sense that members of one party making a minor gaffe has the same weight as the other party's major policy decisions.
Like, obviously criticism should still be leveled where it's deserved, but in a media ecosystem like the one we're in it's very easy for "constructive criticism" to turn into active undermining of your own side.
Such a great vibe!
Thank you for the normality, I think I'm coming round from the Tory induced depression.
Scrutiny of the left is good, criticism is fine. It only becomes a problem when it leads to so much cynicism that it creates apathy among voters. Comedians like Jon Stewart were more than happy to go after Obama and the left just as hard as they went after Bush and the right, but I think that ultimately led to a large number of Americans feeling like both sides were exactly the same and nothing really mattered, and that led up to 2016 where a lot of people honestly believed that there was no difference between Clinton and Trump. I think past that line is where political satire can be a net negative to society.
People weren`t apathetic in 2016...they knew there was a difference between Clinton and Trump...that`s what he mobilised people on...he wasn`t from the usual political arena. There was no way equal criticism of Obama compared to Republicans in politics. Left-wing media was and is relentlessly anti-right to the point of making up stories. In 2016, people were fed up with the media/city left...and enter Trump with a backing of the population who were far from apathetic. You`re just trying to prevent any criticism of the left.
Props to Nish for the Roots Manuva shirt.
I cannot wait to start saying "what is this, cucumber town?"
How big is the average room at the fringe? This seems quite small given the quality of people on the stage,
The bit where they are talking about Kier Stammer and music is unfair. He is in to The Wedding Present and The Smiths.
Two of the most distinct and what I would lovingly call 'dirty' laughs over these two episodes (I'll let you guess from who...), which made me wonder, do Tories ever laugh unless it's in a 4-poster made of money in there 3rd tax-payed home, which is also made of money?
Great episode
Passive But Massive is an awesome expression...it does make me think of French pole vaulters.
I did, in fact, subscribe to Quibi just to watch your show. Well that and Murder House Flip 🏠
I think the Priti Patel brat link is due to Charlie having a Gujarati Indian parent and being british. Because there is no other similarity and the conflation is bizarre.
I do think Nish misses something about satire and a healthy democracy because in countries without freedom of speech, you couldn’t have the Daily Show. It might feel like disaster capitalism (although I would argue it serves a role in keeping people interested in civics), but it’s so much better than countries where you would be jailed for it.
good effort
Two separate references to Mr. Rogers’s “look for the helpers” insight on Thursday Crooked pods!!! (Hysteria and Pod Save the UK)
So fucking good!
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Satire is seriously funny & necessary. If you think what you believe is the right thing to believe, satire will make you question yourself and make you think again - healthy. The Brits don't do it any more.
Sad if Adam Hills wants to talk politics so much, he is ball-strung by @abcaustralia in doing so???!
Kemah Bob...le sigh.