Watching the Marines quickly uncover the fate of Hadley's Hope was terrifying. Really like that the movie did not show what happened and let the audience piece together the tragedy. Probably the closest another movie came to the same fear and reveal was in the Thing with the Norwegian camp.
When I first saw it back in the 89s, it reminded me of “Them” from the 50s. Newt seemed like a direct take from the little girl found in the wrecked rev camp site.
Burke seems genuine when he answers Ripley's query, "why didn't you warn them?". He says, "what if that ship didn't even exist... I didn't know," and "[if he] made a major security situation out of it" administration administration others would 'step in' and there would be "no exclusive rights" available. This tells me that he was either largely/mostly, or entirely, acting alone in sending that directive for the colony the investigate the ship -- if there were any higher-ups involved, they didn't tell Burke to send someone to that ship. If they had, his dialogue in the aforementioned scene with Ripley would have been different.
Though in a way I like the idea of it coming from a higher up, I agree, at least based on what’s on screen, in that I think if it did Burke would have used this to try and weasel out of it, using the old ‘I was just following orders’ argument. I guess it’s possible he was being manipulated somehow by a higher up authority (done so for maximum deniability), but that’s just speculation.
@Cara Dax Burke "didn't warn them" because he knew that if they (the colonist) knew about the dangers that awaited them on that derelict "space jockey" ship they almost certainly wouldn't have gone anywhere near it... or, by Burke signing off on it... he was in effect telling them that it was safe to go out there to investigate the ship. That being said... didn't these frontier-colonist have enough in the way of common sense to know that there just might be the potential for risks or even downright dangerous organisms on a different planet and at least try to arm & protect themselves accordingly... especially before they went into a strange alien space ship of all places??🤔 More to the point... when Newt's parents arrived at the sight of the derelict space craft, you could tell both by the sheer sight and enormity of the ship (as well as by their reaction to it) that they were feeling uneasy about it. Also... you would think that there would be all kinds of formal red-tape procedures in place that would serve to protect any prospectors / surveyors should they come upon and discover something strange. Now that I think on it.... maybe there were indeed "said procedures" already in place that could take god-only-knows-how-long to clear before they could even hope to see any benefits... and by Burke signing off on the log he was in effect quickly cutting through most of the red-tape and thus expediting him getting his hands on a Xeno specimen... and at the expense of the unsuspecting colonist, of course.
Yes there’s so much potential to do a prequel. The hope of setting a new colony only to have the horror of everyone turning into alien. Never understood why they never bothered with a prequel, but then they’ll do so many follow ups. Hadley’s Hope was nuked by a 40 Megaton Bomb. There would be nothing left. And even if the structures still stood, the whole place would be swimming in radiation and the artificial atmosphere would be gone. God that Alien Colonial Marines game was so stupid.
That would be awesome. I'm sure James Cameron and/or Ridley Scott would be happy to produce. All they would need would be actors that looked like the colonists from the second Aliens movie and a child actress who would look like Carrie Hen. It's like we wouldn't know what would happen at the end of the movie. At some point the Marines would show up. But it wouldn't be any different of a movie that Cameron did let's say "Titanic". We know the boat sinks but it's about the story he built around that matters. If they made this movie they could have more shot going on. Another kind of alien or some new information about the space jockey(s). Sigourney Weaver really should produced this as a movie instead of Alien 3. That movie really wasn't that good, it was all over the place and Fox would have made more money.
yakza5 In the first "Alien" movie (1978)... I think Ash does perform some kind of MRI or other body-scan on Cain and Ash informs Dallas that the facehugger is supplying Cain with oxygen and any attempts to remove it could prove fatal (this is later reiterated in Aliens when the Marines find the facehuggers in the glass tubes and Bishop reads the report that one of the previous patients had died when a medical team had attempted to remove the facehugger that had attached itself to him).
yakza5 I think that when whenever a body-scan is performed on a patient (especially one who's been attached by a facehugger) that information is immediately made known by the Weyland Corporation and they can't wait to get their hands on that patient... certainly not for their aid and benefit, of course.
yakza5 We do eventually see that in "Alien Resurrection" (ie, medical staff performing invasive surgery to remove the chest-burster before it erupts)... ...but I think that the powers-that-be at Weyland are far more interested in capturing the alien regardless of its various forms (ie, egg / face-hugger / chest-burster / xenomorph / queen, ect) then they are concerned about the poor soul who ends up on the "business end" of a face-hugger. ...and that is also seen in Alien Resurrection when we see one (of about half-a-dozen) captured subject-patients waking up in the lab (likely against their will) just before the face-hugger jumps from the egg.
great video mate. for someone who loves the ALIEN franchise as much as I do, this is the best channel I could have found and it quickly became my favourite channel out there. keep up the great work! ☺
This is amazing I never even knew there was some lore available of what happened at Hadleys Hope before Ripley and the Marines arrived. I've just rewatched the first two movies it's my favourite franchise I'm definitely gonna watch the rest!
Doubtful. He may have been an inside man for the Weyland Corp, but the Colonial Marines were a government led military unit. There would have been too much red tape for Burke to go it alone. Bribery to help downplay the severity of the situation, maybe.
@@jayluck8047 But Weyland did send a ship full of marines and a science team. From what I have read and can tell they made Aliens: Colonial Marines cannon.
@@jayluck8047 it would make sense that he acted alone because look at the scene where he talks about how the specimens could be worth millions and that they'd be set for life. Money and power are clearly what motivate Burke even at the expense of an entire colony of people. By cooperating with Weyland Yutani chances are good that his slice of the pie would be much smaller.
CleetusVanDamme530 - Ripley had her debriefing after being found in hyper-sleep. There was a board of directors that closed her case until they lost contact with the colony. I doubt Burke was the only one privy to that intel. So when Burke got Ripley on board for the mission, the equipment and personnel they took with them...? He didn't have the clearance for that. Even if he "made a bad call", the Marines may have gotten there, and "gotten their asses kicked, pal" before the orders were seen by the higher-ups, and then rescinded. Just a thought.
I wasn’t too hot on Newt’s Tale at the time back in 1992, but I soon realise how wrong I was. It’s a truly awful and horrific story and makes me love the character of Rebecca Jordan ‘Newt’ even more. It’s a truly great way of adapting the second film in a great ‘expanded universe’ type story. I’d love it if they could eventually film it. Loving the great videos. Keep up the amazing work :)
The comic here has many parts that are reflected in a novel, Alien: River of Pain. But with River of Pain there was a detachment of marines already on the station before, and at, the time of the attack, but not enough to hold out for long. Definitely an enjoyable read, too.
I thought it was a good read as well, more so in that it went into more detail of the Jorden's searching through the derelict and finding the engineer and young queen that had killed each other, I still don't understand why they kept going in there after seeing that, but still does possibly give a good origin for some of the eggs in the derelict
I could understand there being company guards there, but it seems far fetched that there would be marines essentially wasted there. They wouldve had some small arms, riot gear maybe...like todays cops with tasers, batons, pistols, etc, maybe a shotgun. If it was a function that the marines performed, like guarding embassies etc, then I could understand it. But I still view it as inappropriate for a colony to have combat marines stationed there if there is no external alien or military threat posed from the outset.
@@Farlomous "...the Jorden's searching through the derelict and finding the engineer and young queen that had killed each other..." Interesting thanks.
I think there had to be people pulling burkes strings. The company already knew about the xenomorph. As seen in the 1st film. Even if you don't consider Prometheus. It's not like they're just going to give up on their plans after one failed attempt.
Yes but if they knew about the distress beacon, the xenomorph who killed ash and the crew, and the ship, then the question is why did they wait over 30 years to go back and start a colony without investigating either the Nostromo's disappearance or the ship again?
William Higton -- Heres the deal: Burke meets Ripley after she is awakened from Stasis. He hears her story about the derelict and the facehuggers etc when she is being debriefed by VanLewen and the other suits. He recognises the potential value of the Xenomorphs as bio-weapons, and sends a message to LV426 requesting that they check out the coordinates Ripley described. In the Special Edition we hear (head colonist) Simpson say: "Some honch back on Earth tells us to check out a grid reference, I dont ask why, coz it takes six weeks to get a reply around here, and the answer is always 'Dont ask'." The colony is wiped out shortly after, and Burke knows exactly what happened- they found the derelict just as he had hoped. He makes sure to get on board the ship so he can personally shepard events in his favour, but once on LV426, Ripley - being a smart cookie, looks up the colony's datafiles and discovers that Carter J Burke was the one who requested the colonists to go to the derelict, and she deduces his plan, and becomes a serious threat to Burke, who makes his move shortly after, exposing her and Newt to facehuggers so he can smuggle them home in cryostasis, and silence her in one move. You know the rest.
Impulset0 -- Same reason nobodys been back to the moon for 40 years. Not worth the expense. *They recieved a transmission from Dallas saying they got a distress call.* -Okay, check it out. *They found a life form* . - while youre there, bring it back. a few space truckers arent important, so crew's expendable. *They never hear back from the Nostromo.* - oh well, so much for that. *The Company had its fingers in a lot of pies, so they quickly forget about this minor opportunity and concentrate on plundering the hundreds of other worlds colonised by humans.* Most of the Weyland Yutani employees aware of the event are likely dead after 57 years pass, old files lost. Nothing to do with bad writing.
I can remember that there's a small clip in the Alien Trilogy video game (PC, Sega Saturn) when you start the game, where someone higher up in the company gives Burke orders to befriend Ripley, and bring back someone who's implanted with the xenomorph embryo. Whether this is actually canon or not I can't remember though.
It's Gorman's fault , he made them give up all their ammo and weapons leaving them nearly defenceless in the hive . Also why the military would send only 15 people in a massive warship designed for hundreds is anyone's guess.
Actually it was thought be a smart move because the Marine's guns would(and ultimately did) compromise the terraforming plant and cause a meltdown. That's why it blew up; Vasquez and her man opened fire on volatile components.
Whether the crashed ship caused the melt down or not, the point is that their primary weapons posed a danger of causing a catastrophic explosion. Restricting there use was the right call. Gorman's error was in not pulling them back and reassessing the situation when it became clear that the marines couldn't use their guns. Flame units only but did everyone have a flame unit? Those marines without guns were effectively disarmed.
The Colonial Marines in Aliens, from the outset, acted as though "losing" a battle with extra terrestrial creatures was simply not possible. They obviously have never been defeated and probably have never lost one of their own up until they team with Ripley. They are so ultra-macho and convinced that they can take on anything that moves (or doesn't!) that they totally and completely fail to recognize the mortal danger they were in until it was too late.
If I remember right in the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, the log at the end said that Burk acted alone. There was even a joke that Burk was "Executive Material" because of his actions.
The backstory of Hadley's Hope is the only problem I have with the movie Aliens. Hadley's Hope only had 159 colonists on it. Even at a 1 for 1 trade, at best, there would be 156 aliens. Remember, Newt was still alive, John J. Merricek was killed trying to remove the facehugger and the Queen would account for why there couldn't be 159. If you consider how many colonists were killed fighting aliens or died from wounds, aliens killed by colonists and suicides there really shouldn't be that many aliens for the Marines to deal with when they arrive. Of all the Marines sent only Apone, Dietrich and possibly Hudson were taken, the rest all died. That is something like a 3:1 kill to capture ratio. While 50 or so aliens is quite a bit for the Marines to fight, it still never sat well with me that the film tried to represent the alien as some kind of Zerg horde.
very true I never ran the numbers like you did I always assumed that the colony had several hundred colonist that where transformed or that maybe the hive had several in stasis waiting for a life form to come by much like the queen.
In the film you only ever se a few aliens on screen at once, and the motion tracker only detected "a few dozen hostiles" at once. I could see the hive with about60-100 aliens to make what we see on film work.
I always thought the same thing but if you look at 2:38 you can see the man is saying he "found out what the did with the others AND the live stock" so including the unknown numbers of livestock they would have kept to sustain a colony this could add a great many more aliens for the marines to contend with.
This never bothered me. As previously mentioned you never saw too many on screen at once. Only a few aliens are necessary to wipe everyone out anyways.
I think it had to be Burke. I couldn't see someone like Van Lewen doing it. He seemed a little incredulous at Ripley's story of the Nostromo crew. He almost dismissed Ripley's story as fanciful. But I believe yes, it was Burke. Great videos by the way.
There's a new novel that is canon that further explains what happens and there is actually a small group that escapes with the leader of the Colonial Marines that had been stationed at Hadley's Hope. In that novel, there were already WY scientists at the colony who were just waiting for someone to stumble upon the derelict. They had their own drop ship that they would use to escape the colony once the infestation occurred.
By the time Ripley went to the hive the 157 maximum alien army must have been really depleted. Quite a few aliens died in the colonists last stand, several colonists killed and not impregnated, later on several aliens killed by marines on the hive, a hell lot more killed by the sentry guns and finally in the last attack until Ripley leaves with Hicks. I'm sure someone already made numbers about this.
I always thought they played fast & loose with the number of aliens in the movie. Also thought the chest burster the marines see when they enter the hive was unrealistic unless that woman had been in hiding too & was just found right before the marines arrived.
I'd love to see a Wetland Yutani miniseries with an episode dedicated to the death of Hadley's Hope. Can start with Burke sending the message to the colony and end with him sat head in hands realising he has to go there himself.
Is it canon? Keep and mind that franchises authorize fictional works all the time that are later rendered obsolete by later works. Both Star Trek and Star Wars are notorious for this. If its the only story that we have about the Fall of Hadleys Hope then I guess you could call it canon, that is until the movie or even a competing story is written.
And then there's an expanded story to the incedent in Hadley's Hope. In the short story Aliens Field Report, the story focuses on Hicks POV on the Hadley's Hope infestation. Hicks looks on a computer monitor and sees a ships log stating that a mining ship known as the *Onager* launched into space. Hicks thought nothing of it and thinks no one is onboard the *Onager.* In Aliens Fire and Stone, a group of survivors from Hadley's Hope makes a list ditch effort by using the Onager to escape the Xenomorph infestation. They took off from LV426 and ended up on LV223. But they inadvertently brought a few Xenomorphs with them.
The trouble with deciding whether Burke was directed by higher ups or acting alone with ambitious intent is dependent on how much of the expanded universe you accept.
Alien Theory "some honch in a cushy office on earth sent us a grid reference ,we look we dont ask why because it takes 3 weeks to get an answer round here and the answer is always dont ask" from that line in the extended cut it blantenly telling your Burke sent the transmission
Yeah but the question is "Was Burke acting on orders?" or was he purely an opportunist operating on greed? Personally I've always thought it was personal greed, but with later films, Weyland seems a little more hands-on than he did when Aliens came out. Then it was just the Company, and so Burke was just looking for that once-in-a-lifetime golden egg (he talks about wanting the 'exclusive rights' to the organism when confronted by Ripley). But with Prometheus... Idk. Looks like they could write it any way they want to. But for me, it'll always be Burke acting alone.
Brace Land go watch the directors cut theirs is a sentence teeming you someone from earth sent them to that ship Ripley checks the company log transmission sent by Burke. Carter.J ! so it was Burke !
That door would prob not hold for too long anyway - was it a bad idea ? yes - but it was a stupid human thing to do - compasion can be a btch sometimes. Mostl liekely the Xenos would breach the baricades sooner or later anyway. The colonist were just doomed - it was merely a matter of (short) time anyway...
One thing keeps getting missed about the performance of the Marines and the colonists vs the Aliens was the handicaps they faced from the reflex furnace like atmosphere processor. We saw the marines hand over all their ammo to make sure that an accidental hit would not destroy the facility. There is a very good chance the colonists attacking the hive ran into the same problem. If kept at full ammo I think the Marines probably do much better if they don't vaporize the complex first
One mistake: Newt wasn't the only survivor. There was also a woman that survived for a while as well. We know this because the colonial space marines find a woman that is still alive while cocooned.
Great video! I think Burke was the sort of corporate drone who wouldn’t wipe his arse unless someone authorised him. Clearly people at the top of W-Y were giving the orders and relying on the unquestioning obedience of their minions. While the story is very poignant, it seems another case of “Clever people doing stupid things.” Alien worked brilliantly because the Nostromo crew were “space truckers” who were out of their depth and began to mentally collapse as the situation worsened and the one person who could have detected the implanted embryo was working against them. It’s harder to make that believable when you’ve 150 highly educated people. As soon as the chestburster broke out they should have isolated the other infected people, we know they killed at least one trying to get it off, but they surely should have been able to isolate the Xeno in the ventilation or move the colonists to a secure place where they couldn’t be picked off. They had the advantage of numbers, preventing the Xenos from growing to a size they could overwhelm them should have been easy.
I think the threat of the XENOMORPHS is very much a "20th century" threat. By that, I mean that with 21st century and beyond tech any group of humans should be able to contain and neutralize the infestation. The Earth War series was essentially only possible if you remove a ton of technological advancement between now and the 22nd century. Sensors, CCTV, satellites, drones, robots, mechs, androids, enhanced humans, all of this stuff would be orders of magnitude more advanced than shown in the films. The films are products of their times though, and they're great (especially the first 2).
I honestly don’t think Burke started out bad. He probably had no idea what was going to happen and like he said, “Made a bad call.” But faced with the realization of what he unintentionally caused, and the sudden realization he might die, be fired, or imprisoned, started making half thought out horrible decisions. Like impregnating Ripley and Newt.
Newt's Tale is one of those unfortunate comics... It could have done so much with the drama of the situation, but it basically blitzes through the colony take over to get on with it's adaption of Aliens. As for Burke, the intention always was that he was acting out of self interest. Very much a reflection of the 80s dog-eat-dog corporate world that existed at the time.
Andrew Watt the artwork in isn’t great in any of these. It’s too bright and has too much light. It’s not dark enough. The light kills the terror and mystery.
given that we see the aftermath of the "last stand", Hadleys hope feels like a great place to revisit if they ever wanted to make a prequel to Aliens... yes I realize alien is the prequel.
There is apparently a word for that movie, an interquel, but it doesn't quite roll off the tongue, eh? It would be an interesting movie premise, though, and I never realized all these stories existed until finding this channel mentioning comics, etc.
Now that I've read the book River of Pain through many times,(which I hadn't done the first comment below, I skimmed though wanting to get to the good stuff) bad me. I understand it very well. The audio drama is fantastic. Really gets you into the characters heads. Makes you feel with them and for them. you cheer them on even thought you know their fate. if you read ROP you know the company lead those poor souls to the slaughter. They brought in the white coats, not telling anyone why their there. Once the location was discovered, they celebrated. Not even caring what would happen, or being unaware. To top it off they killed people to get the live facehuggers.(seen later in Aliens)and the company gave them a ship to escape in. Was Burke and stooge or willing accomplice, I'm not 100℅ sure, but I'm wondering considering Burke dies too and they made no effort to warn or rescue him. He may of been their "useful idiot" just me collating.......
Remember Aliens vs. Predator 2 (the game)? That game had even more insight into what happened in Hadley's Hope through documents and logs found throughout the game.
MaverickDoesEveryhing they took out the dog alien hybrid birth, or hatching scene. I think that scene was much more powerful changing it to a dead ox made that scene less impactful. The dogs suffering is way more depressive and darker than the dead ox. There is some scenes that flesh out the story better, but changing that scene was not good for me. I wish i could see an edited version. I do like the animatronic animation of the baby alien in the ox scene.
Burke acted alone, initially focused more on the space jockey, its ship and its technology than the xenomorph, just as Weyland had been in Prometheus. Once the xenos got loose, they became another asset for Burke to exploit. However, mother (i.e., order 937) infers that the company had picked up the alien beacon and knew something hostile was there but again, the interest was in the space jockey and their tech, the xeno was a bonus.
I just got through reading Alien, River of Pain and wow! I can never look at Aliens the same ever again. am I the only one who has pity for those poor colonists! I hope not. there are only a few things I think I don't understand in the book is the presence of the Marines and the girl and doctor surviving. I thought Newt was the one and only surviving colonist on LV426 that confuses me, but then again it might explain why the Marines were sent there later perhaps. the other things that bugs me is Al being made out to be such a butt head screaming at everyone( in the book)when in the director s cut(,, Aliens) you see him for a few minutes but he's seems to be a nice calm guy. he's doesn't even get mad when the kids are up in forbidden areas. even though I am convinced the first body the Marines come across is him. look at the features. at least it looks like him. , but these are just little things that bugs me but over all a really great book. it doesn't say in the book wether the chest burster Newts father is a queen or not.that 'm not sure, but it's. sad an heart breaking read for sure. thanks for the suggestion to those who made it in these comments .
In my personal head-canon, due to the time scale and how it'd be weird for the Queen to lay eggs, then detach itself to catch people, then reattach itself to the sack; I think it'd be way cooler if the first one was a regular Alien and then the first couple of colonists captured were turned into eggs like in the deleted scene of Alien 1979. If they made a rogue one style prequel of this story, that'd be a cool way to put that in Canon again.
How Hadley's hope fared against the xenomorphs should have been the third movie instead of Alien 3. I have seen some of the other comments about whether Burke knew about the xenomorphs and what they could do. I think there was an unseen higher up who passed the coordinates of the wishbone ship down to him and thus down to the colonists. Anything done with the company's medical equipment is recorded and transmitted back to Weyland-Yutani (Alien 3 explains this). The company knew what was out there and they wanted more xenomorphs specimens. What is kept quite vague is Burke's interaction with the company after arriving on LV-426 and why it took over twenty years to investigate the wishbone ship again. Furthermore, they lost an expensive ship after Ripley encountered the xenomorph in Alien. And now they build this likely multi-billion dollar installation only to expose it (and ultimately lose it) to a xenomorph infestation? That kind of had me scratching my head.
I am still wondering, and perhaps you have covered this in another video, At the time that Riply goes after Newt, How many Xenomorphs are left at Hadley's Hope? The number of Xenomorphs the colonists have killed, 2000 rounds of the robot guns, colonists killed without facehuggers, Queen, Through all the numbers together, What is left at the end?
Always loved the idea of exploring the infestation of Hadleys Hope, so thank you for this video! Also, would like to know, what's the music used in this video, its beautiful!
Didn't someone else live in the books? Besides Newt? They left in a ship maybe? Also I think that Burke sent a specimen to a ship in another book that went heywire. Ive only started getting into these because of my Brother. And your videos are certainly always welcome. But now I find searching your archives on RUclips helps fill in the blanks. Especially when I completely forgot or dont want to reread. Thanks Man!
Weyland and his obsession with living forever and becoming a god at the hands of his technological prowess have to have created an AI. Uploading his consciousness, or a facsimile of it into a computer or Android. That's the invisible machiovalian force that drives the company. Perhaps. Bet it looks like bishop too...
Weyland-Yutani is legendary in all Alien related fiction as the most evil corporate entity ever. much like Umbrella in resident evil. much like corporate interests in our world today. i can tell you now that burke didn't act without approval from above him. corporate fleabags like him don't take a shit without approval from the board of directors and signed off by their CEO and maybe even Lucifer himself.
They remind me of OCP from Robocop in some ways. Notice how it is a combination of European and Japanese, a powerhouse of both cultures to explore. Yet somewhere along the way it all gets corrupted.
What I noticed in the movie is they waited two days to leave after telling Ripley they lost contact with Hadley's hope. That clearly indicate she has no idea how dangerous they are and wanted none of the 159 to survive. I'm sure someone above him knew. Why else would Wayland yutani send their own special Marines with the real Bishop to retriever Ripley and Queen inside her.
It occurs to me that the main theme of the movie is no survival against alien monsters. It's about "motherhood." Ripley protecting Newt. And the alien queen protecting her offspring.
Burke was just a rep for the company. They needed someone low level like him to take the blame so they could have their hands clean if things did not go their way. Another huge corporation doing what they do.
The colonists were in "contact" but... also in the special edition dialog or maybe the novel there is a part where someone is talking with the colony administrator about the transmission from the Jordans. Russ is trying to make sure their claim will be honored and the dialog goes on "Some cushy suit on Earth tells us to check out grid coordinates. we check. we don't ask questions why? because it takes two weeks to get a reply out here and the anwer is always. dont ask."
Burke was a lone-wolf on the rise. I knew plenty like him in big pharma. He was aware of the potential value, and likely uncovered much of the data from Ash and Narcissus to include Special Order 937. He wanted as much for himself as possible, and while willing to cut-in cooperative underlings like Ripley, he would have tolerated no kick-backs upstream. This was his baby.
I found that Burke's character, acting on his own, is perfectly in line with the cut throat nature of corporate politics. It also helps flash out why, I believe, that nobody in WaYu knew about the original orders to explore lv426. Because the guy that issued the directive probably covered up his failure from the company executives.
It occurs to me that the central theme of this movie is not survival against alien monsters. The movie is about "motherhood." Ripley protecting Newt. And the alien queen protecting her offspring.
In the film, Bishop clearly reads from the medical records, in front of the others, that the facehugger did NOT successfully implant an embryo. Hence, the storyline of the comic and that of the movie are not in line with one another.
Found a problem with continuity. In Aliens, they find a report about The first victim of the facehugger and that he died in the process of removing it. There was room for an even more grim story, additional facehuggers were alive in the lab, meaning they were likely collected from the ship afterwards for study and someone no doubt was careless (after all they did not yet know what they did) and it either escaped or latched itself onto someone long enough to do its job and give birth to a Queen Xenomorph. The Queen would then lay additional eggs in the colony and facehuggers would likely crawl around though the vents and start impregnating unsuspecting victims, maybe a few in their sleep and they'd wake up after the facehugger was done and wandered off somewhere to die and they'd be none the wiser. All it would take is a half dozen colonists to birth Xenos and they would start killing and/or abducting more to breed additional drones for the nest, this would lead to the inevitable last stand those who remained getting picked off one by one and Newt would then be the last one left.
I always thought how terrifying it would have been for Newt, first to lose her family then have to hide for - what was it, weeks? - by herself. On a side note, about the eggs on the derelict engineer ship - do they not have an expiry date? They are an organic carbon life form, which normally have a limited lifespan. The eggs containing the facehuggers on the derelict ship were supposedly there for decades, and were still alive in Aliens - how is that possible? Does this mean the xenomorphs can live on for decades too? Do they ever die from natural ageing?
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Watching the Marines quickly uncover the fate of Hadley's Hope was terrifying. Really like that the movie did not show what happened and let the audience piece together the tragedy. Probably the closest another movie came to the same fear and reveal was in the Thing with the Norwegian camp.
Amen.
Yeah. Show don't tell. Actually I think the best later movie for this is Children of Men.
Here is a dumb question. Why didn't the Marines leave a command crew on the Sulaco?
It’s a great touch that there is a half eaten doughnut on a desk
When I first saw it back in the 89s, it reminded me of “Them” from the 50s. Newt seemed like a direct take from the little girl found in the wrecked rev camp site.
Burke seems genuine when he answers Ripley's query, "why didn't you warn them?". He says, "what if that ship didn't even exist... I didn't know," and "[if he] made a major security situation out of it" administration administration others would 'step in' and there would be "no exclusive rights" available. This tells me that he was either largely/mostly, or entirely, acting alone in sending that directive for the colony the investigate the ship -- if there were any higher-ups involved, they didn't tell Burke to send someone to that ship. If they had, his dialogue in the aforementioned scene with Ripley would have been different.
But the way he said “it was a bad call” oozed with so much condescension and insincerity.
@@coreytoomey7579 So... was Call a Bad Call in Resurrection? (Sorry, I'm in a punny mood...)
They made it very clear that Burke didn't actually care what happened to the people. Only the monetary value of the installation.
Though in a way I like the idea of it coming from a higher up, I agree, at least based on what’s on screen, in that I think if it did Burke would have used this to try and weasel out of it, using the old ‘I was just following orders’ argument. I guess it’s possible he was being manipulated somehow by a higher up authority (done so for maximum deniability), but that’s just speculation.
@Cara Dax
Burke "didn't warn them" because he knew that if they (the colonist) knew about the dangers that awaited them on that derelict "space jockey" ship they almost certainly wouldn't have gone anywhere near it...
or, by Burke signing off on it...
he was in effect telling them
that it was safe to go out there
to investigate the ship.
That being said...
didn't these frontier-colonist have enough in the way of common sense to know that there just might be the potential for risks or even downright dangerous organisms on a different planet and at least try to arm & protect themselves accordingly... especially before they went into a strange alien space ship of all places??🤔
More to the point...
when Newt's parents arrived at the sight of the derelict space craft, you could tell both by the sheer sight and enormity of the ship (as well as by their reaction to it) that they were feeling uneasy about it.
Also...
you would think that there would be all kinds of formal red-tape procedures in place that would serve to protect any prospectors / surveyors should they come upon and discover something strange.
Now that I think on it....
maybe there were indeed "said procedures" already in place that could take god-only-knows-how-long to clear before they could even hope to see any benefits...
and by Burke signing off on the log he was in effect quickly cutting through most of the red-tape and thus expediting him getting his hands on a Xeno specimen... and at the expense of the unsuspecting colonist, of course.
honestly I wish they made a movie about this colony, would be awesome
Yes there’s so much potential to do a prequel. The hope of setting a new colony only to have the horror of everyone turning into alien. Never understood why they never bothered with a prequel, but then they’ll do so many follow ups.
Hadley’s Hope was nuked by a 40 Megaton Bomb. There would be nothing left. And even if the structures still stood, the whole place would be swimming in radiation and the artificial atmosphere would be gone. God that Alien Colonial Marines game was so stupid.
There is a book and audio drama on amazon very nice one. River of pain.
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They could have done that as a second film and then complete the trilogy with Aliens.
They did... James Cameron's "Aliens"
They should make a movie about this in the same way Disney did Rogue One. I think this franchise is friggin awesome.
MaddSweetGT500 its the best franchise
same here
MaddSweetGT500 ....I would pay money to see it....
AT-AT!
That would be awesome. I'm sure James Cameron and/or Ridley Scott would be happy to produce. All they would need would be actors that looked like the colonists from the second Aliens movie and a child actress who would look like Carrie Hen. It's like we wouldn't know what would happen at the end of the movie. At some point the Marines would show up. But it wouldn't be any different of a movie that Cameron did let's say "Titanic". We know the boat sinks but it's about the story he built around that matters. If they made this movie they could have more shot going on. Another kind of alien or some new information about the space jockey(s). Sigourney Weaver really should produced this as a movie instead of Alien 3. That movie really wasn't that good, it was all over the place and Fox would have made more money.
How come they did not do and MRI on him? I am pretty sure by the time we can colonize planets those things will be very common
yakza5
In the first "Alien" movie (1978)...
I think Ash does perform some kind of MRI or other body-scan on Cain and Ash informs Dallas
that the facehugger is supplying Cain with oxygen and any attempts to remove it could prove fatal
(this is later reiterated in Aliens when the Marines find the facehuggers in the glass tubes
and Bishop reads the report that one of the previous patients had died when a medical team
had attempted to remove the facehugger that had attached itself to him).
Oh I see, so malpractice was a thing on that planet as well :P
yakza5
I think that when whenever a body-scan is performed on a patient (especially one who's been attached by a facehugger)
that information is immediately made known by the Weyland Corporation and they can't wait to get their hands on that patient...
certainly not for their aid and benefit, of course.
VredesStall But I always wonder what would happen if they do a scan after the face huger detached and take out the alien embryo before it develops.
yakza5
We do eventually see that in "Alien Resurrection"
(ie, medical staff performing invasive surgery to remove the chest-burster before it erupts)...
...but I think that the powers-that-be at Weyland are far more interested in capturing the alien
regardless of its various forms (ie, egg / face-hugger / chest-burster / xenomorph / queen, ect)
then they are concerned about the poor soul who ends up on the "business end" of a face-hugger.
...and that is also seen in Alien Resurrection when we see one (of about half-a-dozen)
captured subject-patients waking up in the lab (likely against their will)
just before the face-hugger jumps from the egg.
great video mate. for someone who loves the ALIEN franchise as much as I do, this is the best channel I could have found and it quickly became my favourite channel out there. keep up the great work! ☺
Paul riser did such a good job in this movie.
he really really did
His best role
Apparently at the premiere his sister slapped him because she hated Burke so much!
Newt's Tale was one of my favorite graphic novels back in the day. It's just the whole story from her perspective.
Ripley: “So who gave the order to Burke?”
Bishop: “I’m not sure. It must be something we haven’t seen yet.”
This is amazing I never even knew there was some lore available of what happened at Hadleys Hope before Ripley and the Marines arrived. I've just rewatched the first two movies it's my favourite franchise I'm definitely gonna watch the rest!
I wouldnt exactly call it lore, but its interesting 'expanded universe', thats for sure.
Pretty sure Burke acted on his own. Weyland would had sent an entire Armada and full science team.
@John Bower ^ This ^
Doubtful. He may have been an inside man for the Weyland Corp, but the Colonial Marines were a government led military unit. There would have been too much red tape for Burke to go it alone. Bribery to help downplay the severity of the situation, maybe.
@@jayluck8047 But Weyland did send a ship full of marines and a science team. From what I have read and can tell they made Aliens: Colonial Marines cannon.
@@jayluck8047 it would make sense that he acted alone because look at the scene where he talks about how the specimens could be worth millions and that they'd be set for life. Money and power are clearly what motivate Burke even at the expense of an entire colony of people. By cooperating with Weyland Yutani chances are good that his slice of the pie would be much smaller.
CleetusVanDamme530 - Ripley had her debriefing after being found in hyper-sleep. There was a board of directors that closed her case until they lost contact with the colony. I doubt Burke was the only one privy to that intel.
So when Burke got Ripley on board for the mission, the equipment and personnel they took with them...? He didn't have the clearance for that. Even if he "made a bad call", the Marines may have gotten there, and "gotten their asses kicked, pal" before the orders were seen by the higher-ups, and then rescinded.
Just a thought.
This would be an amazing prequel that Cameron should make.
He would accidentally write it into 4 movies and need to take a 5 year hiatus to study the bottom of the ocean in order to get the story just right.
Totally agree. That would be too cool if they did make a prequel to aliens.
Yeah but Cameron doesn't seem interested in the Aliens universe any longer, not science his evil whitey new age movies he seems to concentrate on.
Maybe Robert Rodriquez, Chris Carter, etc..
Look how that went with Ridley. No, let's leave this to our imaginations at least. James may have lost his mojo like Ridley.
They mostly come out at night.
mostly! 😎
I heard that Newt's actress got made fun of in school for that line. But, nobody remembers them and we all remember her.
I wasn’t too hot on Newt’s Tale at the time back in 1992, but I soon realise how wrong I was. It’s a truly awful and horrific story and makes me love the character of Rebecca Jordan ‘Newt’ even more. It’s a truly great way of adapting the second film in a great ‘expanded universe’ type story. I’d love it if they could eventually film it.
Loving the great videos. Keep up the amazing work :)
The comic here has many parts that are reflected in a novel, Alien: River of Pain. But with River of Pain there was a detachment of marines already on the station before, and at, the time of the attack, but not enough to hold out for long. Definitely an enjoyable read, too.
I thought it was a good read as well, more so in that it went into more detail of the Jorden's searching through the derelict and finding the engineer and young queen that had killed each other, I still don't understand why they kept going in there after seeing that, but still does possibly give a good origin for some of the eggs in the derelict
I could understand there being company guards there, but it seems far fetched that there would be marines essentially wasted there. They wouldve had some small arms, riot gear maybe...like todays cops with tasers, batons, pistols, etc, maybe a shotgun.
If it was a function that the marines performed, like guarding embassies etc, then I could understand it. But I still view it as inappropriate for a colony to have combat marines stationed there if there is no external alien or military threat posed from the outset.
@@Farlomous "...the Jorden's searching through the derelict and finding the engineer and young queen that had killed each other..."
Interesting thanks.
I always thought the horrors you only see the aftermath of were the most disturbing thing about Aliens.
Thanks for uploading, I always wondered what happened. I liked how they left breadcrumbs in the movie rather than just outright showing it.
I think there had to be people pulling burkes strings. The company already knew about the xenomorph. As seen in the 1st film. Even if you don't consider Prometheus. It's not like they're just going to give up on their plans after one failed attempt.
Yes but if they knew about the distress beacon, the xenomorph who killed ash and the crew, and the ship, then the question is why did they wait over 30 years to go back and start a colony without investigating either the Nostromo's disappearance or the ship again?
It's called bad writing. The people who made the sequel missed a few things. They even screwed up the company name.
ganador13 How so?
William Higton -- Heres the deal: Burke meets Ripley after she is awakened from Stasis. He hears her story about the derelict and the facehuggers etc when she is being debriefed by VanLewen and the other suits.
He recognises the potential value of the Xenomorphs as bio-weapons, and sends a message to LV426 requesting that they check out the coordinates Ripley described.
In the Special Edition we hear (head colonist) Simpson say: "Some honch back on Earth tells us to check out a grid reference, I dont ask why, coz it takes six weeks to get a reply around here, and the answer is always 'Dont ask'."
The colony is wiped out shortly after, and Burke knows exactly what happened- they found the derelict just as he had hoped.
He makes sure to get on board the ship so he can personally shepard events in his favour, but once on LV426, Ripley - being a smart cookie, looks up the colony's datafiles and discovers that Carter J Burke was the one who requested the colonists to go to the derelict, and she deduces his plan, and becomes a serious threat to Burke, who makes his move shortly after, exposing her and Newt to facehuggers so he can smuggle them home in cryostasis, and silence her in one move.
You know the rest.
Impulset0 -- Same reason nobodys been back to the moon for 40 years. Not worth the expense.
*They recieved a transmission from Dallas saying they got a distress call.* -Okay, check it out.
*They found a life form* . - while youre there, bring it back. a few space truckers arent important, so crew's expendable.
*They never hear back from the Nostromo.* - oh well, so much for that.
*The Company had its fingers in a lot of pies, so they quickly forget about this minor opportunity and concentrate on plundering the hundreds of other worlds colonised by humans.*
Most of the Weyland Yutani employees aware of the event are likely dead after 57 years pass, old files lost.
Nothing to do with bad writing.
I can remember that there's a small clip in the Alien Trilogy video game (PC, Sega Saturn) when you start the game, where someone higher up in the company gives Burke orders to befriend Ripley, and bring back someone who's implanted with the xenomorph embryo. Whether this is actually canon or not I can't remember though.
HBO and FOX should make this into a mini series...
A bunch of Colonial Marines going through space killing aliens, talking trash to each other, and banging. What else is there to do in space?
misterRDF cough Disney cough
what the hell for? it's been pretty thoroughly gone over
@@philiplongee1149 Scream?
That was my exact thought!!!!
It's Gorman's fault , he made them give up all their ammo and weapons leaving them nearly defenceless in the hive . Also why the military would send only 15 people in a massive warship designed for hundreds is anyone's guess.
Actually it was thought be a smart move because the Marine's guns would(and ultimately did) compromise the terraforming plant and cause a meltdown. That's why it blew up; Vasquez and her man opened fire on volatile components.
nah the crashed dropship damaged the reactor , the marines were mostly defenceless with crappy weapons except Vasquez n the other .
Nathan Guy I'll have to watch again because I thought they shot the reactor during the attack.
Randerson112 I thought the same but At one point bishop says:" the crash caused too much damage , an overload was inevitable".
Whether the crashed ship caused the melt down or not, the point is that their primary weapons posed a danger of causing a catastrophic explosion. Restricting there use was the right call. Gorman's error was in not pulling them back and reassessing the situation when it became clear that the marines couldn't use their guns. Flame units only but did everyone have a flame unit? Those marines without guns were effectively disarmed.
The Colonial Marines in Aliens, from the outset, acted as though "losing" a battle with extra terrestrial creatures was simply not possible. They obviously have never been defeated and probably have never lost one of their own up until they team with Ripley. They are so ultra-macho and convinced that they can take on anything that moves (or doesn't!) that they totally and completely fail to recognize the mortal danger they were in until it was too late.
Because they werent expecting anything because they didnt believe ripley. They used to fighting humans, not the universe ultimate killing machine
If I remember right in the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, the log at the end said that Burk acted alone. There was even a joke that Burk was "Executive Material" because of his actions.
Ripley's transformation as a character between Alien and Aliens is really similar to Sarah Connor's between T1 and T2
The backstory of Hadley's Hope is the only problem I have with the movie Aliens. Hadley's Hope only had 159 colonists on it. Even at a 1 for 1 trade, at best, there would be 156 aliens. Remember, Newt was still alive, John J. Merricek was killed trying to remove the facehugger and the Queen would account for why there couldn't be 159. If you consider how many colonists were killed fighting aliens or died from wounds, aliens killed by colonists and suicides there really shouldn't be that many aliens for the Marines to deal with when they arrive. Of all the Marines sent only Apone, Dietrich and possibly Hudson were taken, the rest all died. That is something like a 3:1 kill to capture ratio. While 50 or so aliens is quite a bit for the Marines to fight, it still never sat well with me that the film tried to represent the alien as some kind of Zerg horde.
very true I never ran the numbers like you did I always assumed that the colony had several hundred colonist that where transformed or that maybe the hive had several in stasis waiting for a life form to come by much like the queen.
In the film you only ever se a few aliens on screen at once, and the motion tracker only detected "a few dozen hostiles" at once. I could see the hive with about60-100 aliens to make what we see on film work.
I always thought the same thing but if you look at 2:38 you can see the man is saying he "found out what the did with the others AND the live stock" so including the unknown numbers of livestock they would have kept to sustain a colony this could add a great many more aliens for the marines to contend with.
The IronMenace
I think at that time, animals weren't thought of to be hosts for aliens by the writers yet. It's more likely the animals were eaten.
This never bothered me. As previously mentioned you never saw too many on screen at once. Only a few aliens are necessary to wipe everyone out anyways.
I think it had to be Burke. I couldn't see someone like Van Lewen doing it. He seemed a little incredulous at Ripley's story of the Nostromo crew. He almost dismissed Ripley's story as fanciful. But I believe yes, it was Burke. Great videos by the way.
There's a new novel that is canon that further explains what happens and there is actually a small group that escapes with the leader of the Colonial Marines that had been stationed at Hadley's Hope. In that novel, there were already WY scientists at the colony who were just waiting for someone to stumble upon the derelict. They had their own drop ship that they would use to escape the colony once the infestation occurred.
Never understood why they never made a movie based on the colony and its downfall. Would've loved to watched that.
you got a great narration tone
By the time Ripley went to the hive the 157 maximum alien army must have been really depleted. Quite a few aliens died in the colonists last stand, several colonists killed and not impregnated, later on several aliens killed by marines on the hive, a hell lot more killed by the sentry guns and finally in the last attack until Ripley leaves with Hicks. I'm sure someone already made numbers about this.
I always thought they played fast & loose with the number of aliens in the movie. Also thought the chest burster the marines see when they enter the hive was unrealistic unless that woman had been in hiding too & was just found right before the marines arrived.
I'd love to see a Wetland Yutani miniseries with an episode dedicated to the death of Hadley's Hope.
Can start with Burke sending the message to the colony and end with him sat head in hands realising he has to go there himself.
I think a video on Androids would be really interesting. They're actually my favorite aspect of the Alien franchise. Thanks.
I think the canon novel River of Pain tells about events in Hadley's Hope before the movie Aliens.
yes it does and its one of the best books in the series!
Agree.
Spectans1 that was a great series and will follow that one more than this one
Is it canon? Keep and mind that franchises authorize fictional works all the time that are later rendered obsolete by later works. Both Star Trek and Star Wars are notorious for this. If its the only story that we have about the Fall of Hadleys Hope then I guess you could call it canon, that is until the movie or even a competing story is written.
listen to the audio play on audible, its superb
Would love to see this as a feature length movie.
Yeah they could throw in a second companies attempt to get a specimen
No way, gimmie a Netflix series that covers 4-6 episodes..
Rather Seen That Than Aliens III.
I'd just like to say that your videos are entertaining to watch and your voice is really smooth.
And then there's an expanded story to the incedent in Hadley's Hope. In the short story Aliens Field Report, the story focuses on Hicks POV on the Hadley's Hope infestation. Hicks looks on a computer monitor and sees a ships log stating that a mining ship known as the *Onager* launched into space. Hicks thought nothing of it and thinks no one is onboard the *Onager.* In Aliens Fire and Stone, a group of survivors from Hadley's Hope makes a list ditch effort by using the Onager to escape the Xenomorph infestation. They took off from LV426 and ended up on LV223. But they inadvertently brought a few Xenomorphs with them.
The trouble with deciding whether Burke was directed by higher ups or acting alone with ambitious intent is dependent on how much of the expanded universe you accept.
Could you do a video about that famous deleted scene from the original Alien when she finds Dallas?
I'm working on one right now! Stay tuned! :)
Alien Theory "some honch in a cushy office on earth sent us a grid reference ,we look we dont ask why because it takes 3 weeks to get an answer round here and the answer is always dont ask" from that line in the extended cut it blantenly telling your Burke sent the transmission
Yeah but the question is "Was Burke acting on orders?" or was he purely an opportunist operating on greed? Personally I've always thought it was personal greed, but with later films, Weyland seems a little more hands-on than he did when Aliens came out. Then it was just the Company, and so Burke was just looking for that once-in-a-lifetime golden egg (he talks about wanting the 'exclusive rights' to the organism when confronted by Ripley). But with Prometheus... Idk. Looks like they could write it any way they want to. But for me, it'll always be Burke acting alone.
Charlie Peake Not really. You wouldn't assume it was Burke you'd just think it was a scene explaining why they're going to the ship.
Brace Land go watch the directors cut theirs is a sentence teeming you someone from earth sent them to that ship Ripley checks the company log transmission sent by Burke. Carter.J !
so it was Burke !
Man all they had to do was keep the door closed
That door would prob not hold for too long anyway - was it a bad idea ? yes - but it was a stupid human thing to do - compasion can be a btch sometimes. Mostl liekely the Xenos would breach the baricades sooner or later anyway. The colonist were just doomed - it was merely a matter of (short) time anyway...
Would have bought them a few extra minutes, maybe hours.
Quickly becoming my favorite channel
Thank you for telling her story. Seems like every company has a "Burke" lol...love the videos keep em commin!
Anyone else ever think , how the heck did Newt's mom get her husband back to the ATV?
She was a girl boss who was actually stronger than any male in the colony.
One thing keeps getting missed about the performance of the Marines and the colonists vs the Aliens was the handicaps they faced from the reflex furnace like atmosphere processor. We saw the marines hand over all their ammo to make sure that an accidental hit would not destroy the facility. There is a very good chance the colonists attacking the hive ran into the same problem.
If kept at full ammo I think the Marines probably do much better if they don't vaporize the complex first
One mistake: Newt wasn't the only survivor. There was also a woman that survived for a while as well. We know this because the colonial space marines find a woman that is still alive while cocooned.
Great video! I think Burke was the sort of corporate drone who wouldn’t wipe his arse unless someone authorised him. Clearly people at the top of W-Y were giving the orders and relying on the unquestioning obedience of their minions.
While the story is very poignant, it seems another case of “Clever people doing stupid things.” Alien worked brilliantly because the Nostromo crew were “space truckers” who were out of their depth and began to mentally collapse as the situation worsened and the one person who could have detected the implanted embryo was working against them. It’s harder to make that believable when you’ve 150 highly educated people. As soon as the chestburster broke out they should have isolated the other infected people, we know they killed at least one trying to get it off, but they surely should have been able to isolate the Xeno in the ventilation or move the colonists to a secure place where they couldn’t be picked off. They had the advantage of numbers, preventing the Xenos from growing to a size they could overwhelm them should have been easy.
I think the threat of the XENOMORPHS is very much a "20th century" threat. By that, I mean that with 21st century and beyond tech any group of humans should be able to contain and neutralize the infestation. The Earth War series was essentially only possible if you remove a ton of technological advancement between now and the 22nd century. Sensors, CCTV, satellites, drones, robots, mechs, androids, enhanced humans, all of this stuff would be orders of magnitude more advanced than shown in the films. The films are products of their times though, and they're great (especially the first 2).
They should do a stand alone movie on the colony. It would be fantastic! Then lead into the marine ship landing on ground as a tie-in to 'aliens'.
I honestly don’t think Burke started out bad. He probably had no idea what was going to happen and like he said, “Made a bad call.” But faced with the realization of what he unintentionally caused, and the sudden realization he might die, be fired, or imprisoned, started making half thought out horrible decisions. Like impregnating Ripley and Newt.
Newt's Tale is one of those unfortunate comics... It could have done so much with the drama of the situation, but it basically blitzes through the colony take over to get on with it's adaption of Aliens.
As for Burke, the intention always was that he was acting out of self interest. Very much a reflection of the 80s dog-eat-dog corporate world that existed at the time.
The artwork wasn't great in this graphic novel.
I'd make this info a film asap!
Andrew Watt the artwork in isn’t great in any of these. It’s too bright and has too much light. It’s not dark enough. The light kills the terror and mystery.
given that we see the aftermath of the "last stand", Hadleys hope feels like a great place to revisit if they ever wanted to make a prequel to Aliens... yes I realize alien is the prequel.
There is apparently a word for that movie, an interquel, but it doesn't quite roll off the tongue, eh? It would be an interesting movie premise, though, and I never realized all these stories existed until finding this channel mentioning comics, etc.
Now that I've read the book River of Pain through many times,(which I hadn't done the first comment below, I skimmed though wanting to get to the good stuff) bad me. I understand it very well. The audio drama is fantastic. Really gets you into the characters heads. Makes you feel with them and for them. you cheer them on even thought you know their fate. if you read ROP you know the company lead those poor souls to the slaughter. They brought in the white coats, not telling anyone why their there. Once the location was discovered, they celebrated. Not even caring what would happen, or being unaware. To top it off they killed people to get the live facehuggers.(seen later in Aliens)and the company gave them a ship to escape in. Was Burke and stooge or willing accomplice, I'm not 100℅ sure, but I'm wondering considering Burke dies too and they made no effort to warn or rescue him. He may of been their "useful idiot" just me collating.......
Remember Aliens vs. Predator 2 (the game)? That game had even more insight into what happened in Hadley's Hope through documents and logs found throughout the game.
I've got those comics even 20 years later.
Succes with your new channel. I love it already as i do with your other channel.
Great video brother , can't wait to see more !!
Thanks to the comics covering this I got some really neat art from my older brother when I was a kid.
Nice thought out videos. New sub
Swoldier_ Boi, Same.
I wish I bought all the 4 Alien Special DIR Cutz 2003 DVDS but only ALIEN & ALIENS where worth my time.
MaverickDoesEveryhing they took out the dog alien hybrid birth, or hatching scene. I think that scene was much more powerful changing it to a dead ox made that scene less impactful. The dogs suffering is way more depressive and darker than the dead ox. There is some scenes that flesh out the story better, but changing that scene was not good for me. I wish i could see an edited version. I do like the animatronic animation of the baby alien in the ox scene.
This really needs a movie
Burke acted alone, initially focused more on the space jockey, its ship and its technology than the xenomorph, just as Weyland had been in Prometheus. Once the xenos got loose, they became another asset for Burke to exploit. However, mother (i.e., order 937) infers that the company had picked up the alien beacon and knew something hostile was there but again, the interest was in the space jockey and their tech, the xeno was a bonus.
From the first time I saw _Aliens_ 30 years ago I've always thought the Hadley's Hope events would've made a great 'side-quel'...
I just got through reading Alien, River of Pain and wow! I can never look at Aliens the same ever again. am I the only one who has pity for those poor colonists! I hope not. there are only a few things I think I don't understand in the book is the presence of the Marines and the girl and doctor surviving. I thought Newt was the one and only surviving colonist on LV426 that confuses me, but then again it might explain why the Marines were sent there
later perhaps. the other things that bugs me is Al being made out to be such a butt head screaming at everyone( in the book)when in the director s cut(,, Aliens) you see him for a few minutes but he's seems to be a nice calm guy. he's doesn't even get mad when the kids are up in forbidden areas. even though I am convinced the first body the Marines come across is him. look at the features. at least it looks like him. , but these are just little things that bugs me but over all a really great book. it doesn't say in the book wether the chest burster Newts father is a queen or not.that 'm not sure, but it's. sad an heart breaking read for sure. thanks for the suggestion to those who made it in these comments
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In my personal head-canon, due to the time scale and how it'd be weird for the Queen to lay eggs, then detach itself to catch people, then reattach itself to the sack; I think it'd be way cooler if the first one was a regular Alien and then the first couple of colonists captured were turned into eggs like in the deleted scene of Alien 1979.
If they made a rogue one style prequel of this story, that'd be a cool way to put that in Canon again.
How Hadley's hope fared against the xenomorphs should have been the third movie instead of Alien 3. I have seen some of the other comments about whether Burke knew about the xenomorphs and what they could do. I think there was an unseen higher up who passed the coordinates of the wishbone ship down to him and thus down to the colonists. Anything done with the company's medical equipment is recorded and transmitted back to Weyland-Yutani (Alien 3 explains this). The company knew what was out there and they wanted more xenomorphs specimens. What is kept quite vague is Burke's interaction with the company after arriving on LV-426 and why it took over twenty years to investigate the wishbone ship again. Furthermore, they lost an expensive ship after Ripley encountered the xenomorph in Alien. And now they build this likely multi-billion dollar installation only to expose it (and ultimately lose it) to a xenomorph infestation? That kind of had me scratching my head.
This brings back memories, I loved this comic!
Do know how this comic have title?
can you please do a video explaining the history of the colonial marines vs the aliens?
Could you do a video entitled 'How intelligent are the xenomorphs"...
I Heard as Smart as a Wolf Pack.
Finally questions about these events finally answered...now I can move on with my life
I am still wondering, and perhaps you have covered this in another video, At the time that Riply goes after Newt, How many Xenomorphs are left at Hadley's Hope? The number of Xenomorphs the colonists have killed, 2000 rounds of the robot guns, colonists killed without facehuggers, Queen, Through all the numbers together, What is left at the end?
Burke is too careless. He's just the messenger boy. This is too much money, and power to leave to chance. The company always knows.
Plausible deniability if he gets found out (which he ultimately was).
They should have had a platoon of Marines there at the colony.....just in case.
"..last stand..must have been one hell of a fight!"...damn right!
Always loved the idea of exploring the infestation of Hadleys Hope, so thank you for this video! Also, would like to know, what's the music used in this video, its beautiful!
Please: Stop calling it Hadeley’s Hope. Short “a” as in Hadley! Like Dad.
That proper bugs me too.
Runs a RUclips channel specialising in the Alien films, can't pronounce Hadley's.
I agree with you. I cringed when he pronounced it that way
My last name is Hadley, tell me about it!
Here's a new Alien Theory topic: How to correctly pronounce Hadley's Hope.
Didn't someone else live in the books? Besides Newt?
They left in a ship maybe?
Also I think that Burke sent a specimen to a ship in another book that went heywire.
Ive only started getting into these because of my Brother. And your videos are certainly always welcome.
But now I find searching your archives on RUclips helps fill in the blanks. Especially when I completely forgot or dont want to reread.
Thanks Man!
I would love them see this as a movie.
Weyland and his obsession with living forever and becoming a god at the hands of his technological prowess have to have created an AI. Uploading his consciousness, or a facsimile of it into a computer or Android. That's the invisible machiovalian force that drives the company. Perhaps. Bet it looks like bishop too...
It's pronounced Had' leez' Hope.
who cares
The English language deserves to be spoken correctly otherwise we are on the slippery slope to savagery, you wouldn't understand.
Veldtian1 you are correct.
Haud yer wheesht
The horror Newt experienced, unimaginable...
I agree and would love them to make a series out of the aliens bug hunt as well as a trilogy from the novel trilogy and original sin
We do need more alien and predator movies.
Weyland-Yutani is legendary in all Alien related fiction as the most evil corporate entity ever. much like Umbrella in resident evil. much like corporate interests in our world today. i can tell you now that burke didn't act without approval from above him. corporate fleabags like him don't take a shit without approval from the board of directors and signed off by their CEO and maybe even Lucifer himself.
They remind me of OCP from Robocop in some ways. Notice how it is a combination of European and Japanese, a powerhouse of both cultures to explore. Yet somewhere along the way it all gets corrupted.
I’m guessing they rank right up there with Vaultec as one of the most corrupt, narrow-minded companies in sci-fi.
What I noticed in the movie is they waited two days to leave after telling Ripley they lost contact with Hadley's hope. That clearly indicate she has no idea how dangerous they are and wanted none of the 159 to survive. I'm sure someone above him knew. Why else would Wayland yutani send their own special Marines with the real Bishop to retriever Ripley and Queen inside her.
It occurs to me that the main theme of the movie is no survival against alien monsters. It's about "motherhood." Ripley protecting Newt. And the alien queen protecting her offspring.
Burke was just a rep for the company. They needed someone low level like him to take the blame so they could have their hands clean if things did not go their way.
Another huge corporation doing what they do.
Logged, so sad...my heart was always so broken for Newt...
OmniMike Same here.🙁
Don't worry, Newt won't suffer anymore! Alien 3 is very clear on that.
I wonder if a mini tv-series about the Hadley incident would be good...Perhaps if it was thriller based, with a scientific investigation theme.
The colonists were in "contact" but... also in the special edition dialog or maybe the novel there is a part where someone is talking with the colony administrator about the transmission from the Jordans. Russ is trying to make sure their claim will be honored and the dialog goes on "Some cushy suit on Earth tells us to check out grid coordinates. we check. we don't ask questions why? because it takes two weeks to get a reply out here and the anwer is always. dont ask."
Burke was a lone-wolf on the rise. I knew plenty like him in big pharma. He was aware of the potential value, and likely uncovered much of the data from Ash and Narcissus to include Special Order 937. He wanted as much for himself as possible, and while willing to cut-in cooperative underlings like Ripley, he would have tolerated no kick-backs upstream. This was his baby.
The audio play about it was pretty good.
I found that Burke's character, acting on his own, is perfectly in line with the cut throat nature of corporate politics.
It also helps flash out why, I believe, that nobody in WaYu knew about the original orders to explore lv426. Because the guy that issued the directive probably covered up his failure from the company executives.
your videos are so interesting! love them
This needs to be made into a movie.
It occurs to me that the central theme of this movie is not survival against alien monsters. The movie is about "motherhood." Ripley protecting Newt. And the alien queen protecting her offspring.
They need to make a movie or a series about the events on Hadleys Hope leading up to aliens.
In the film, Bishop clearly reads from the medical records, in front of the others, that the facehugger did NOT successfully implant an embryo. Hence, the storyline of the comic and that of the movie are not in line with one another.
Found a problem with continuity. In Aliens, they find a report about The first victim of the facehugger and that he died in the process of removing it. There was room for an even more grim story, additional facehuggers were alive in the lab, meaning they were likely collected from the ship afterwards for study and someone no doubt was careless (after all they did not yet know what they did) and it either escaped or latched itself onto someone long enough to do its job and give birth to a Queen Xenomorph. The Queen would then lay additional eggs in the colony and facehuggers would likely crawl around though the vents and start impregnating unsuspecting victims, maybe a few in their sleep and they'd wake up after the facehugger was done and wandered off somewhere to die and they'd be none the wiser. All it would take is a half dozen colonists to birth Xenos and they would start killing and/or abducting more to breed additional drones for the nest, this would lead to the inevitable last stand those who remained getting picked off one by one and Newt would then be the last one left.
great video mate!
these are so well done!
I always thought how terrifying it would have been for Newt, first to lose her family then have to hide for - what was it, weeks? - by herself. On a side note, about the eggs on the derelict engineer ship - do they not have an expiry date? They are an organic carbon life form, which normally have a limited lifespan. The eggs containing the facehuggers on the derelict ship were supposedly there for decades, and were still alive in Aliens - how is that possible? Does this mean the xenomorphs can live on for decades too? Do they ever die from natural ageing?
Yeah, all that just to be killed off in Alien 3.