i had purchased one of these units and have had several issues with one winter of use. the stove body is so easily damaged that it needs a PVC case to protect it. the door latch is so small that its impossible to not burn yourself operationing it. it is extremely easy to over heat this stove, after one winter of regular use the stove section has gotten very brittle and hard and warped heavily. I have since purchased a heavier duty unit that's well worth the extra weight.
Excellent video because you were very organized and explained sufficient details. Thank you for not playing obnoxious music in the background the whole time. The focus was the stove!
Yes, the focus was on the stove, and it was presented very nicely. There is a major concern it is a flimsy material and assembly.... AVOID THIS STOVE it is a safety concern in my opinion.
+bottomlands How so? This stove serves every purpose intended and fit my needs for this application perfectly. And at a reasonable price. That is a whole lot of win no matter how you look at it.
+Living Survival I agree with all your comments. I have just purchased my own 18" stove. Very happy with it and agree it serves its purpose with weight and size against strength and purpose. I have now burnt it in. I can't wait to use it on my next outing. I believe I have the latest model. There is 2 steel rods instead of the cables along the top. The vent has 3 triangular shaped air holes instead of the 2 circles. There are 2 draw cord locks on each storage bag provided. Probably due to your informative comments lol. Overall very impressed. Great vid by the way it influenced my decision in buying one lol. Atb EMBA
+Living Survival What size of stove is this? 18 inch or 12 inch? have you tested the 18 inch stove in a larger tent (10 to 12 people) and temperatures around -25 C which is -13 F
Living Survival okay I never thought that was actually even burn without the metal burning a hole in it without the metal burning in itself the way that the way that been together it seemed so flimsy it would not hold the wood let alone hold something burning AMV everyone camping inv everyone camping I'm disabled I used to cut trees down for a living then I'm stuck in a nursing home rehabbing from an injury I must be in punished for some reason I can't seem to get out of sucking nursing home I keep getting injured why people that work here so without RUclips I go fucking nuts I don't want to say I invented all this shit but I did just about everything I see being done on RUclips I guess this is torture for me well if I can't do it I might as well watch it being done
I own this, it's waaay easier to use than he's describing (this is his first time assembling it, in the field, cold - with gloves. Practice one time, and it goes about 5x faster. I love this stove vs. the box stoves because I can put full size logs in in vs cutting little lincoln log size things x 1000. It's also very durable. I'm not sure what other commenters are doing with their stoves - forging axes?
Just a suggestion for others. There is usually oil and other metal manufacturing residues from production on any tent stove. It's a good idea to burn the stove in before any trip.
For all the people complaining about the price, the real issue is cost. For a firebox, titanium lasts more than 10 times longer than stainless steel of the same thickness, and stainless steel lasts over 10 times longer than regular steel. If you make a stove out of a lacquer can and it lasts 2 weeks (and you cant see due to smoke in eyes, or die in the night from carbon monoxide) the cost of the free junk is much greater than the long term cost of the better equipment. If Ti lasts 10 years = $27/year = $0.50 per week. What is the weight savings worth? Yes, ultralight equipment will not stand abuse or careless use, so ham-fisted idiots should avoid and buy the 30lb mass produced stove that will rust through in 2 seasons, and weigh so much they never want to take it along. Soch types will not enjoy the benefits (like keeping warm during a week long rain, or eating real food). As far as the pipe goes: for the first time, a tent pole helps to guide the long roll into a long tube shape - so set your stove up first. Also after after the 4th or 5th use the tube will almost roll it's self up - like magic (much faster and easier than the slip-joint type) -- Ti has a memory effect when it is heated -- to fully benefit it is best to turn the pipe upside down for half of the first few times of use to even out the effect over the length. An alternative between this 2.5lb stove and the 4-dog stove (8lbs - fixed shape) are the flat top (easier to cook on) 4lb collapsible titanium stoves like the winterwell, SO, W3, TiGoat WiFi, etc. at about $400-500 price. After burn-in, (with the stronger flat-top stoves) you can actually use the stove pipe as a tent pole, and recover some of the weight penalty by leaving the tepee pole at home. ALSO FYI - a 2oz spaceblanket on snow will reflect 95% of the heat - and NOT melt down so fast -- important in deep snow.
Would like to toss in a comment on our experiences. I got the seek outside stove with our tent. It seems a bit more rugged than this one, since it is rectangular and the sides joint into each other. The top and bottom are a thicker sheet of titanium than the sides and it can hold a couple litres of water in a pot no problem. The whole setup of tent and stove weighs about 6 lbs if I remember correctly. We've stayed in the tent probably 50 nights that we used the stove over the past couple years. Some of the colder nights were -32 degrees C, we never brought the stove if it was warmer than -5 degrees C. When I first got the stove it was all nice and chrome looking like this one, after the first burn it shrivelled up and looked like shit immediatley and I had major buyers remorse thinking it would never last (it was dam near $500 or something). But it has never changed in appearance or function since then and, despite the purple titanium prune that it is, I'm sure it will last another few years at least. We stayed in it 24 nights over this past few weeks of hunting season in Northern Alberta and the average night was about -8 degrees Celcius. Observations: 1. On nights below about -5 degrees C, you can see the layer of condensation around the bottom 1-3 feet of the tent walls even when you wake up every 45 minutes to re-light the stove (toss 5 peices of kindling on top of the glowing embers and top with 2-3 peices of "big wood"). This cold condensed layer is mostly ice but the melt water runs down onto your sleeping bag if you are in a square sided tent like our Back Country Shelter 2. If we were not using gortex bivi bags around our sleeping bags, we would have frozen our asses off because of this. On colder nights it might be 25 degrees up at waste level, but -10 degrees at ground level where you're sleeping. 2. We stayed out some nights where winds gusted to 60-80km/h and we ran the stove all night as it was about -15 degrees if I recall correctly. The stove pipe, even though it just sits there on top of the stove in a seemingly tedious configuration, NEVER came out even though it flailed around like crazy and made it dam near impossible to sleep with the noise and imminant threat of being smoked out if it disconnected. 3. The center pole of the tent can be under immense pressure depending on your pitch. Don't try and adjust the height of the pole without checking how much tension it's carrying. Trying to adjust the pole one night I pushed the pin that holds it in position and it dropped the tent down so far that the stove pipe bounced and came out of the top of the stove and started swinging around in the tent while it was way too hot to grab. Plus now I was holding the tent up by the pole and couldn't let go so I basically had to kick the smoke billowing stove out the door and hold the hot stove pipe by the damper until it cooled enough that I could let go of it and let it swing over and rest on the tent wall. At moments like that, usually it will jam in the stove jack and you can't pull it down to rest on the ground. Anyway it took I would say 100 lbs of lifting force to get the center pole pin to line back up so the pole would support the tent again. 4. Even though you have a stove, bring a sleeping system that would be comfortable WITHOUT a stove in the expected temperatures outside. You will wake up at 3am and realise the stove has been out for hours, and you will be very glad that you are still somewhat warm in your sleeping bag. 5. The stove pipe literally falls into position when you unroll it after the first burn. I can just toss it on the ground with an unrolling motion as if rolling a bowling ball, and it falls into it's assembled position. 6. Don't try to turn down your draft and damper too much to make the wood last overnight. I closed both the damper and the draft one night when I first got the stove. I woke up in the middle of the night and the tent was completely saturated with smoke to the point I couldn't see anything 2 feet past my face and the stove sounded like bacon frying. Creasote had built up in the stove pipe while we were sleeping and choked out the fire with smoke, which killed the natural draft of the stove pipe causing the smoke to roll out the unsealed joints of the sides/top/bottom causing smoke to fill the tent. It's a wonder we ever woke up. After opening the doors on the tent, I opened the drafts on the stove and all the creosote inside erupted as if I'd thrown a gallon of gas into the stove and it burned for a solid ten minutes with the entire stove and pipe glowing bright red and we had to leave the tent because of the insane heat radiating off of it. I thought for sure the tent was a gonner but somehow the material of the BCS2 didn't burn or take any damage at all. 7. If you leave your tent in one spot for a few days or your sleeping out on the ice, put something under the stove to insulate it from the ground. The heat radiating into the ground will cause you problems. On ice you will wake up with a large puddle of open water under the stove and if you have a slope you'll wake up in that water. On land you will run into issues when you first light the stove at night after emptying the ashes. With no ashes in the bottom there is no insulation from the burning firewood to the bottom of the stove. It will glow red and ignite anything combustable under the stove. You'll be cursing wondering why it's so smokey in the tent only to realise the snow underneath has melted and the grass or leaves underneath are burning and filling the tent with smoke. 8. If it snows, clean the snow away from the edges of the tent and completely off the material as soon as possible. If you leave it there, the heat from the stove will keep melting some of the snow and as it runs down the tent to the bottom there will be a layer of about 6" of snow/ice around the bottom of the tent. This will either freeze it into the ground, or the ice will stick impossibly to the bottom edges of the tent and you will be forced to carry an extra 20 lbs of ice out with your tent.
+TRX250r08 Very good info. I chose the liteoutdoors stove for the weight and the goal of being able to put both the tipi and stove in a backpack. If I had a sled (winter) I would certainly opt for a heavier duty stove. It was nice to see this lightweight option got the job done. Thanks again for the information.
Weighs 2.5lbs inlcuding the pipe, fits in pack easily since it all folds flat except the pipe of course. Great for elk hunting in the mountains. A little over 6lbs total with the tent I think.
I'd prefer something a bit more durable, even if it weighed a bit more. This glorified sandwich wrap wouldn't last a few setting ups and putting away. Would be great for an emergency, but not realistic for campers who prepared before they went. Great vid
+Living Survival Looks like many small parts that can get lost though. How is it to setup next time when it's all full of grim/soot (or what the word is)? Is there any risk of damaging or tearing up the thin titanium? Thnx for the review :)
PSportz yes. Looks very tedious, expensive, and not very durable...i cant stand tin can stoves because of their flimsiness and this is tenfold. I would trash it after a few burns im sure.
Davey 14 The advantage of this stove is simply the weight and it can be carried in a backpack. SO if that is what you are looking for it is perfect. There are more rugged ones for winter camping with a sled for example. Setup is easy no matter how dirty or cold for that matter. Works well. You simply dump the stove outside (its VERY light) to dump the ash.
That's crazy design work there man. I had no idea it was flat sheets, wonder how well this will hold up to prolonged heat exposure. Another great show and tell.
Put everything on a kid's plastic toboggan and drag it all along. (The plastic toboggan can be used to coast down the sand dunes at WSNM-they sell plastic flying saucers at the gift shop). Also useful is a small snow shovel to dig out a snow cave or the car out after a snow storm. Do not step on the stove and it should last a long time ! Thank you for a great video ! tjl
+Tim Lipinski if I was going to use a sled I would go for a box stove. The intention of the tipi and this stove was to see if I could pack a shelter like this into a pack. It worked perfectly.
Thank you for the great, competent demo. Been thinking about one of these babies for my "home base" tent. Also, heat inside the tent will make my girlfriend more likely to want to sleep in a tent if we camp in cold weather.
Well...I wouldn't want to break this stove down every day yet it would be fantastic for a few days stay to go with my titanium recliner and Portadesk. Seriously though...I want one
It is a remarkable kit to make a great stove. It's a little pricy and Europeans won't get it easy with import restriction. I recommend building a simple stainless steel stove by attaching two parts "Bain Marie Pots" 1/3 GN Size (150 mm Height each 0.8mm thick) on top of each other with bolds. A tiny DIY door and a chimney make it a lightweight 1KG Stove with 12+ Liter burn size. You can nest the two parts inside each other with al the parts in your bagpack. It won't take much space and you can put other stuf inside also. It'll cost ya $20 to make and a few extra dollars for a foldable titanium chimney. You do the math. It will be reusable and probably lasts over 60 overnight burns.
How hot did the stove legs get?? Would they have melted through a ground sheet/tarp?? The tipi looked awesome but seems like it could have used a ground sheet especially as there were internal straps that the sheet could have been attached to, to create a loose edged bathtub effect. Could have been extremely comfortable and dry. The stove was great. Excellent product that looked like it was made for the shelter and you can cook on it too.
Looks as if it requires a lot of patience, which you have a lot of. Appears to be a really good stove, surely an option for more of a long term one man base camp set up. It would have been awesome if the stove had a platform on which you could set a cooking cup or mini skillet. How did you cook your meals for this over night camp out? Great video!
I really liked the review of this stove. Good to know that I don't want it. I prefer the Sheepherder's Alaskan and Packer Stoves that can be reviewed at Cabelas. The reason is that it comes with a flat top so that you can cook on it and there are a lot of add-ons for it because it has been around a long time. Its light weight and can be packed out to a site if need be. I have not personally used it but have seen it in use at a Boy Scout Jamboree and the fella using it really liked it. Keep them coming Ben, I like your reviews :)
You actually can cook quite well on the top, it flattens out. Watch the next video to see what I'm talking about. Since then I've cooked eggs and bacon with skillet while boiling water etc. Its the lightest one that packs the smallest and that was my intention. No doubt better stoves out there though. I like the fourdog stoves but $$$.
Nicely done video brother. Your explanations were great and video work showed things well. That’s a super cool stove, though it would take some time and finesse to set up. I’m not sure I’m patient enough for that ha ha. But probably as light as you get. I can see it being useful for someone who might be staying several nights somewhere. U need to fill your time so set up time doesn’t matter so much. Tx!
Seems to serve the need it was designed for: Light weight and portability. One of the things I was concerned about are those legs. They seem to point in whatever direction they want and made me wonder how much weight they can handle.
It looks and works well. But the obvious thing is you can’t cook on it. It would make a good emergency heating system but there are other titanium stoves that work for heating and cooking. You could probably build a small grate to put inside that would give you coals much easier. Thanks for the video.
That is an awesome setup!..excellent video and informative...the rewards are definitely worth the little bit of effort in assembly...and being able to pack in a bugout bag is ideal for winter excursions.. this could save your hide one day!..definitely a must have combo..thanks!
I think if I were to buy one of these I'd use any saved space to throw in a small propane heater so I could keep my hands warm while I put it together. I'd just need enough gas to run an hour or two. Probably use it to light the fire too. Talk is cheap but I feel as though I could build something heavier but better on my own with a more open design that doesn't require kindling for longer intervals between refills. I hate waking up cold.
a great video as I always wanted to winter camp but dragging a 30 lb steel stove just wasn't for me. now as I saw this just now on Amazon at (US) 160. I will definitely get one.
With long term use, have you noticed ash sitting on the outside of the tent trying to burn its way in? I find my canvas hot tent has 4 or 5 holes now and about a dozen hot marks. I'd like to know how the nylon holds up as an alternative tent material.
How many burns can you realistically do before either the bottom or the top burns out ? It seams almost the "body" will need to be replaced every third outing if you are having to run it pretty hard each day
I wonder if you could lay a piece of metal across those top two cable tensioners and put a pot on top? It would be a bit tippy but with care you could boil some water. Perhaps they make a flat top accessory?
Great video, you always come up with some quality products to show us. Awesome stove. I am very interested. Thanks for your sacrifice and somewhat discomfort to show us products. We do appreciate your work, thanks again.........
that's got to be the best looking stove to me ! very cool and very pricey ! great setup all around Ben great vid , i really like the tinder pouch LOL thanks for sharing atb john
That stove is awesome Ben! It did it's job for sure and at a weight that is surprising. I'm just curious as to how it all holds up after being put together and taken apart about a dozen times. You did a great job bringing this to us. Once again the shelter has fast become one of my favorite ones out there. Take care bub.
I am currently looking for a stove for my tent, I am curious how this is working and holding up. I think you have had it about 3 years now and wondering if it is still holding up good.I can see how it would be beneficial for back packing a light weight set up across the mountains etc. Thanks for the video and I hope you have a blessed and safe week. dale
Great video on the stove, two questions, with no rain cap will you have an issue in a heavy rain situation, and two I would love to see the take down of the stove and how dirty it becomes when packing it. I will defiantly take a look at the stove.
T&B Kuntry Strong I should be taking it down in the next few days and will do a video on it, however since it rolls into itself it should at least be good until you get home. Then you could do a proper wipe down. Also, it rained pretty hard and did not effect it at all, you could hear the water coming down but it just burned off right away. I think this would be a larger problem with larger diameter stoves. I may make something for the top and integrate a spark arrestor too.
Why wouldn't you try to clear the snow off the ground before setting up your tent there? and you have a wood burning stove, but nothing to put on the ground?
How? any air produced by the stove goes out the vent. Stoves radiate heat, which dries nothing It would likely dry more if it was encased by another layer, with a fan blowing air through it
Great video thanks for sharing. Definitely gonna be adding this to my Xmas list. That stove looks like it will make my elk hunt next year a bit more comfortable! Also might add a stove jack to my ice fishing shelter and run it in there as well.
Is it true that most hunters kill their prey within a mile of their car? I’m just curious being a thru hiker myself. I see this gear used by hunters and wonder how they can carry all this weight and then pack out meat afterwards. How far out into the backcountry do you go?
Bill Hill I was out in some fairly high winds, I suppose it could but the opening in the tipi is pretty small and made tighter against the pipe by the rain flap so it doesn't move much.
I love that stove, dude! Good match for the teepee. With a bigger teepee, you get a few buddies together, leave the wives indoors of course, and do a winter campout. Beer, whiskey and snack of course. Awesome.
Great stove could be made better. Add another pipe to the bottom to introduce air from the outside your shelter so you don't send your heated air up the chimney? This will allow you to use less wood. If I set camp for long periods I would wrap the outside in bubble wrap and mylar that would keep the heat in and you would use even less wood.
It really would have been nice to see how you got the stack rolled, I put the stove together right out of the box for the first time in about six minutes but the 84” stack is absolutely miserable!
Easy carry, and lightweight! I noticed you removed your gloves again during setup. Was setting up difficult with gloves? Awesome design, and very well thought out. Thanks for sharing
That's pretty cool, packability comes at a price, ie mega fiddly, but the end result looks a good product and looking at the weather, a vital bit of kit. As always, a great review.
Need to stack rocks around that stove to absorb all the heat being produced by it. Its a neat product but the thin metal will not keep the heat like other wood stoves. They should design an alcohol burner insert for it has well Made with rolled up carbon fiber to absorb the alcohol for a long burn time.
Got my tent a few days ago and the stove came in yesterday.Put the stove together easy. Still have to put the pipe together. but I wanted to thank you for your video.! Great job! Wanted to ask after you took the pipe back down did you have any problems rolling the pipe back to the way it came in the pouch? Just was wondering.
Hell Yeah! Great video! I read some comment that said it looked like a complete pain in the ass, but I find being in windy 4 degree temps, getting frost bite, and or dying to be more so of a pain in the ass. Well done!
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i had purchased one of these units and have had several issues with one winter of use. the stove body is so easily damaged that it needs a PVC case to protect it. the door latch is so small that its impossible to not burn yourself operationing it. it is extremely easy to over heat this stove, after one winter of regular use the stove section has gotten very brittle and hard and warped heavily. I have since purchased a heavier duty unit that's well worth the extra weight.
So what stove did you buy? I'm trying to find the best bang for my buck, thanks.
I'd take a weight penalty to not have to deal with the razor thin titanium.
The stove is actually durable and thinking about using it on a winter thru hike.
Excellent video because you were very organized and explained sufficient details. Thank you for not playing obnoxious music in the background the whole time. The focus was the stove!
+unbdld42 thanks :)
Yes, the focus was on the stove, and it was presented very nicely. There is a major concern it is a flimsy material and assembly.... AVOID THIS STOVE it is a safety concern in my opinion.
+bottomlands How so? This stove serves every purpose intended and fit my needs for this application perfectly. And at a reasonable price. That is a whole lot of win no matter how you look at it.
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+Living Survival I agree with all your comments. I have just purchased my own 18" stove. Very happy with it and agree it serves its purpose with weight and size against strength and purpose. I have now burnt it in. I can't wait to use it on my next outing. I believe I have the latest model. There is 2 steel rods instead of the cables along the top. The vent has 3 triangular shaped air holes instead of the 2 circles. There are 2 draw cord locks on each storage bag provided. Probably due to your informative comments lol. Overall very impressed. Great vid by the way it influenced my decision in buying one lol. Atb EMBA
Chris Clarke Yes you have the updated model :)
+Living Survival What size of stove is this? 18 inch or 12 inch? have you tested the 18 inch stove in a larger tent (10 to 12 people) and temperatures around -25 C which is -13 F
Living Survival okay I never thought that was actually even burn without the metal burning a hole in it without the metal burning in itself the way that the way that been together it seemed so flimsy it would not hold the wood let alone hold something burning AMV everyone camping inv everyone camping I'm disabled I used to cut trees down for a living then I'm stuck in a nursing home rehabbing from an injury I must be in punished for some reason I can't seem to get out of sucking nursing home I keep getting injured why people that work here so without RUclips I go fucking nuts I don't want to say I invented all this shit but I did just about everything I see being done on RUclips I guess this is torture for me well if I can't do it I might as well watch it being done
I own this, it's waaay easier to use than he's describing (this is his first time assembling it, in the field, cold - with gloves. Practice one time, and it goes about 5x faster. I love this stove vs. the box stoves because I can put full size logs in in vs cutting little lincoln log size things x 1000. It's also very durable. I'm not sure what other commenters are doing with their stoves - forging axes?
Just a suggestion for others. There is usually oil and other metal manufacturing residues from production on any tent stove. It's a good idea to burn the stove in before any trip.
Sam Walker agreed.
“Not made to be durable”
I believe you. As my father would say
Made to be sold not used
It is flimsey and presents a safety concern. AVOID AVOID
For all the people complaining about the price, the real issue is cost. For a firebox, titanium lasts more than 10 times longer than stainless steel of the same thickness, and stainless steel lasts over 10 times longer than regular steel. If you make a stove out of a lacquer can and it lasts 2 weeks (and you cant see due to smoke in eyes, or die in the night from carbon monoxide) the cost of the free junk is much greater than the long term cost of the better equipment. If Ti lasts 10 years = $27/year = $0.50 per week. What is the weight savings worth? Yes, ultralight equipment will not stand abuse or careless use, so ham-fisted idiots should avoid and buy the 30lb mass produced stove that will rust through in 2 seasons, and weigh so much they never want to take it along. Soch types will not enjoy the benefits (like keeping warm during a week long rain, or eating real food). As far as the pipe goes: for the first time, a tent pole helps to guide the long roll into a long tube shape - so set your stove up first. Also after after the 4th or 5th use the tube will almost roll it's self up - like magic (much faster and easier than the slip-joint type) -- Ti has a memory effect when it is heated -- to fully benefit it is best to turn the pipe upside down for half of the first few times of use to even out the effect over the length. An alternative between this 2.5lb stove and the 4-dog stove (8lbs - fixed shape) are the flat top (easier to cook on) 4lb collapsible titanium stoves like the winterwell, SO, W3, TiGoat WiFi, etc. at about $400-500 price. After burn-in, (with the stronger flat-top stoves) you can actually use the stove pipe as a tent pole, and recover some of the weight penalty by leaving the tepee pole at home. ALSO FYI - a 2oz spaceblanket on snow will reflect 95% of the heat - and NOT melt down so fast -- important in deep snow.
It looks like a neat stove, but also like a pain in the neck to assemble and break down. Your video convinced me not to buy one.
same here, looks like its hard to close the vent and u cant cook food on the stove, not for me
Nice lightweight compact stove thanks for the demo on this one. Stay warm awesome set up
Would like to toss in a comment on our experiences. I got the seek outside stove with our tent. It seems a bit more rugged than this one, since it is rectangular and the sides joint into each other. The top and bottom are a thicker sheet of titanium than the sides and it can hold a couple litres of water in a pot no problem. The whole setup of tent and stove weighs about 6 lbs if I remember correctly. We've stayed in the tent probably 50 nights that we used the stove over the past couple years. Some of the colder nights were -32 degrees C, we never brought the stove if it was warmer than -5 degrees C. When I first got the stove it was all nice and chrome looking like this one, after the first burn it shrivelled up and looked like shit immediatley and I had major buyers remorse thinking it would never last (it was dam near $500 or something). But it has never changed in appearance or function since then and, despite the purple titanium prune that it is, I'm sure it will last another few years at least. We stayed in it 24 nights over this past few weeks of hunting season in Northern Alberta and the average night was about -8 degrees Celcius. Observations:
1. On nights below about -5 degrees C, you can see the layer of condensation around the bottom 1-3 feet of the tent walls even when you wake up every 45 minutes to re-light the stove (toss 5 peices of kindling on top of the glowing embers and top with 2-3 peices of "big wood"). This cold condensed layer is mostly ice but the melt water runs down onto your sleeping bag if you are in a square sided tent like our Back Country Shelter 2. If we were not using gortex bivi bags around our sleeping bags, we would have frozen our asses off because of this. On colder nights it might be 25 degrees up at waste level, but -10 degrees at ground level where you're sleeping.
2. We stayed out some nights where winds gusted to 60-80km/h and we ran the stove all night as it was about -15 degrees if I recall correctly. The stove pipe, even though it just sits there on top of the stove in a seemingly tedious configuration, NEVER came out even though it flailed around like crazy and made it dam near impossible to sleep with the noise and imminant threat of being smoked out if it disconnected.
3. The center pole of the tent can be under immense pressure depending on your pitch. Don't try and adjust the height of the pole without checking how much tension it's carrying. Trying to adjust the pole one night I pushed the pin that holds it in position and it dropped the tent down so far that the stove pipe bounced and came out of the top of the stove and started swinging around in the tent while it was way too hot to grab. Plus now I was holding the tent up by the pole and couldn't let go so I basically had to kick the smoke billowing stove out the door and hold the hot stove pipe by the damper until it cooled enough that I could let go of it and let it swing over and rest on the tent wall. At moments like that, usually it will jam in the stove jack and you can't pull it down to rest on the ground. Anyway it took I would say 100 lbs of lifting force to get the center pole pin to line back up so the pole would support the tent again.
4. Even though you have a stove, bring a sleeping system that would be comfortable WITHOUT a stove in the expected temperatures outside. You will wake up at 3am and realise the stove has been out for hours, and you will be very glad that you are still somewhat warm in your sleeping bag.
5. The stove pipe literally falls into position when you unroll it after the first burn. I can just toss it on the ground with an unrolling motion as if rolling a bowling ball, and it falls into it's assembled position.
6. Don't try to turn down your draft and damper too much to make the wood last overnight. I closed both the damper and the draft one night when I first got the stove. I woke up in the middle of the night and the tent was completely saturated with smoke to the point I couldn't see anything 2 feet past my face and the stove sounded like bacon frying. Creasote had built up in the stove pipe while we were sleeping and choked out the fire with smoke, which killed the natural draft of the stove pipe causing the smoke to roll out the unsealed joints of the sides/top/bottom causing smoke to fill the tent. It's a wonder we ever woke up. After opening the doors on the tent, I opened the drafts on the stove and all the creosote inside erupted as if I'd thrown a gallon of gas into the stove and it burned for a solid ten minutes with the entire stove and pipe glowing bright red and we had to leave the tent because of the insane heat radiating off of it. I thought for sure the tent was a gonner but somehow the material of the BCS2 didn't burn or take any damage at all.
7. If you leave your tent in one spot for a few days or your sleeping out on the ice, put something under the stove to insulate it from the ground. The heat radiating into the ground will cause you problems. On ice you will wake up with a large puddle of open water under the stove and if you have a slope you'll wake up in that water. On land you will run into issues when you first light the stove at night after emptying the ashes. With no ashes in the bottom there is no insulation from the burning firewood to the bottom of the stove. It will glow red and ignite anything combustable under the stove. You'll be cursing wondering why it's so smokey in the tent only to realise the snow underneath has melted and the grass or leaves underneath are burning and filling the tent with smoke.
8. If it snows, clean the snow away from the edges of the tent and completely off the material as soon as possible. If you leave it there, the heat from the stove will keep melting some of the snow and as it runs down the tent to the bottom there will be a layer of about 6" of snow/ice around the bottom of the tent. This will either freeze it into the ground, or the ice will stick impossibly to the bottom edges of the tent and you will be forced to carry an extra 20 lbs of ice out with your tent.
+TRX250r08 Very good info. I chose the liteoutdoors stove for the weight and the goal of being able to put both the tipi and stove in a backpack. If I had a sled (winter) I would certainly opt for a heavier duty stove. It was nice to see this lightweight option got the job done. Thanks again for the information.
Weighs 2.5lbs inlcuding the pipe, fits in pack easily since it all folds flat except the pipe of course. Great for elk hunting in the mountains. A little over 6lbs total with the tent I think.
Dang nice review! I would never think a titanium stove that thin could be that durable. I am impressed. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah works great. Did some cooking on it tonight and held up fine with a pot on it to boil water. Video coming soon on that. Thanks for watching.
I'd prefer something a bit more durable, even if it weighed a bit more. This glorified sandwich wrap wouldn't last a few setting ups and putting away. Would be great for an emergency, but not realistic for campers who prepared before they went.
Great vid
Heated shelters rock, Thriving not just surviving during the winter.
MegaWoodswalker Yeah I agree, very easy with heat.
Looks like a complete pain in the ass.
+Gary S Nope, really easy.
+Living Survival Looks like many small parts that can get lost though. How is it to setup next time when it's all full of grim/soot (or what the word is)? Is there any risk of damaging or tearing up the thin titanium? Thnx for the review :)
PSportz yes. Looks very tedious, expensive, and not very durable...i cant stand tin can stoves because of their flimsiness and this is tenfold. I would trash it after a few burns im sure.
+Gary S and what happens to the ash.
Davey 14 The advantage of this stove is simply the weight and it can be carried in a backpack. SO if that is what you are looking for it is perfect. There are more rugged ones for winter camping with a sled for example. Setup is easy no matter how dirty or cold for that matter. Works well. You simply dump the stove outside (its VERY light) to dump the ash.
Hell yea bro! That little booger looks AWESOME! And working like a dream I'm SURE! GREAT video man!
***** HELL YA
Ben! Awesome! Sweet! I love the review of the tipi and the stove! Rockn' gear man!
Windham Woodcraft Thanks Chris!
that store is pretty impressive..Heck the whole set up is..i need one for my work shed..thanks for taking the time to make this video..take care.
A nice upgrade would be a telescoping stove pipe.
That's crazy design work there man. I had no idea it was flat sheets, wonder how well this will hold up to prolonged heat exposure. Another great show and tell.
As I mentioned on an earlier comment, I wouldn't take this on expedition but for a few nights or as a survival shelter A+
Awe man I wanted to camp out some more but I see you have another video and coffee on thanks for posting man
+Darren Charron thanks for watching and the comment Darren.
Pretty amazing design and seems to work great! Thanks 4 sharing Ben. Cheers, Marc
im in boy scout and we always go hiking in the winter a 10 mile hike. so that would help alot
Pretty awesome stove / tent combo, works well together! Nice video.
Put everything on a kid's plastic toboggan and drag it all along. (The plastic toboggan can be used to coast down the sand dunes at WSNM-they sell plastic flying saucers at the gift shop). Also useful is a small snow shovel to dig out a snow cave or the car out after a snow storm. Do not step on the stove and it should last a long time ! Thank you for a great video ! tjl
+Tim Lipinski if I was going to use a sled I would go for a box stove. The intention of the tipi and this stove was to see if I could pack a shelter like this into a pack. It worked perfectly.
pretty cool............you also have a control damper on the flu I love it!
definitely nice ;)
Hot Setup,i like it,a plattform would be nice for some cooking action but all in all very good and lightweight. Rock on and all the best ! Falko
Cooked on it tonight...new vid will be posted soon.
Hi das ist ja cool
Hey, this looks like the best and lightest I have seen.
+Chris Dealny that was the goal, light.
Defiantly a interesting design, looked at little iffy at first but turned out pretty good. Thanks for sharing!
PitFireOutdoors Liking it a lot. Thanks for the comment.
that stove is very well thought and designed;brilliant idea!
looks very nice inside the tipi with the stove burn!
Thank you for the great, competent demo. Been thinking about one of these babies for my "home base" tent. Also, heat inside the tent will make my girlfriend more likely to want to sleep in a tent if we camp in cold weather.
+Andre' Goods yep. not the best built out there but best weight and affordability i found.
Well...I wouldn't want to break this stove down every day yet it would be fantastic for a few days stay to go with my titanium recliner and Portadesk. Seriously though...I want one
Wow looks like one fine piece of kit.
That is freakin awesome! Doesn't look like there was much snow left around the stove by the end of the video.
Country Prepper Nope and it seems to dry out as you can tell and not create a soggy mess.
Cool toy, the way it turns nice colors.
It is a remarkable kit to make a great stove. It's a little pricy and Europeans won't get it easy with import restriction. I recommend building a simple stainless steel stove by attaching two parts "Bain Marie Pots" 1/3 GN Size (150 mm Height each 0.8mm thick) on top of each other with bolds. A tiny DIY door and a chimney make it a lightweight 1KG Stove with 12+ Liter burn size. You can nest the two parts inside each other with al the parts in your bagpack. It won't take much space and you can put other stuf inside also. It'll cost ya $20 to make and a few extra dollars for a foldable titanium chimney. You do the math. It will be reusable and probably lasts over 60 overnight burns.
How hot did the stove legs get?? Would they have melted through a ground sheet/tarp?? The tipi looked awesome but seems like it could have used a ground sheet especially as there were internal straps that the sheet could have been attached to, to create a loose edged bathtub effect. Could have been extremely comfortable and dry. The stove was great. Excellent product that looked like it was made for the shelter and you can cook on it too.
Looks as if it requires a lot of patience, which you have a lot of. Appears to be a really good stove, surely an option for more of a long term one man base camp set up. It would have been awesome if the stove had a platform on which you could set a cooking cup or mini skillet. How did you cook your meals for this over night camp out? Great video!
There are many box shaped wood stoves
I really liked the review of this stove. Good to know that I don't want it. I prefer the Sheepherder's Alaskan and Packer Stoves that can be reviewed at Cabelas. The reason is that it comes with a flat top so that you can cook on it and there are a lot of add-ons for it because it has been around a long time. Its light weight and can be packed out to a site if need be. I have not personally used it but have seen it in use at a Boy Scout Jamboree and the fella using it really liked it. Keep them coming Ben, I like your reviews :)
You actually can cook quite well on the top, it flattens out. Watch the next video to see what I'm talking about. Since then I've cooked eggs and bacon with skillet while boiling water etc. Its the lightest one that packs the smallest and that was my intention. No doubt better stoves out there though. I like the fourdog stoves but $$$.
Nicely done video brother. Your explanations were great and video work showed things well. That’s a super cool stove, though it would take some time and finesse to set up. I’m not sure I’m patient enough for that ha ha. But probably as light as you get. I can see it being useful for someone who might be staying several nights somewhere. U need to fill your time so set up time doesn’t matter so much. Tx!
Looks good for the weight. Wish these backpacker wood stoves weren't so spendy though. Having a hot tent kit in a car backpack would be nice to have.
Seems to serve the need it was designed for: Light weight and portability. One of the things I was concerned about are those legs. They seem to point in whatever direction they want and made me wonder how much weight they can handle.
+SubtleKnowledge they don't need to handle much. I loaded the stove up with hardwood and it was just fine.
Thanks for the feedback.
yes sir i would like to know where you got that pouch from the one holding the birch bark
wolfe customs
It looks and works well. But the obvious thing is you can’t cook on it. It would make a good emergency heating system but there are other titanium stoves that work for heating and cooking. You could probably build a small grate to put inside that would give you coals much easier. Thanks for the video.
I'm going to have to looking into getting one of these little stoves!
Keith Lancaster DO IT!
That is an awesome setup!..excellent video and informative...the rewards are definitely worth the little bit of effort in assembly...and being able to pack in a bugout bag is ideal for winter excursions..
this could save your hide one day!..definitely a must have combo..thanks!
+Tbob Mann yep, thanks.
I think if I were to buy one of these I'd use any saved space to throw in a small propane heater so I could keep my hands warm while I put it together. I'd just need enough gas to run an hour or two. Probably use it to light the fire too.
Talk is cheap but I feel as though I could build something heavier but better on my own with a more open design that doesn't require kindling for longer intervals between refills. I hate waking up cold.
I don't do much cold weather camping, but that is a really cool setup.
+fromkentucky thanks man.
Love my lite outdoors stove and look forward to the winter!
+Shearwater6 nice piece of kit for sure.
Thanks for posting. Would be interested to see how this stove holds up after multiple uses.
VA7BC Certainly not as rugged as some but is light and much lighter on price than others.
a great video as I always wanted to winter camp but dragging a 30 lb steel stove just wasn't for me. now as I saw this just now on Amazon at (US) 160. I will definitely get one.
Impressively portable. Great vid.
Thanks mane...
I love this stove and I've got an idea on a setup with this stove so you'll won't need a Jack.
Nice review/video in real conditions !
+gaetanproductions thanks for watching.
With long term use, have you noticed ash sitting on the outside of the tent trying to burn its way in? I find my canvas hot tent has 4 or 5 holes now and about a dozen hot marks. I'd like to know how the nylon holds up as an alternative tent material.
there is ash sometimes in the morning if there is no breeze but have yet to burn a hole using multiple stoves.
It's okay to have a small fire inside a shelter without a stove. As long as you have a vent twords the top and a good draft you're good to
How many burns can you realistically do before either the bottom or the top burns out ? It seams almost the "body" will need to be replaced every third outing if you are having to run it pretty hard each day
A folded "U" seam would help in locating and strength for the two tubes.
I wonder if you could lay a piece of metal across those top two cable tensioners and put a pot on top? It would be a bit tippy but with care you could boil some water. Perhaps they make a flat top accessory?
I’ve put a pot right on top in my other videos.
Great video, you always come up with some quality products to show us. Awesome stove. I am very interested. Thanks for your sacrifice and somewhat discomfort to show us products. We do appreciate your work, thanks again.........
Azvoltman Thanks for the nice comment. I like to do it so it is fun for me as well. Glad you liked it.
Excellent compact and functional
they probably dont have a lock with the bag because its added weight, just tie a slip knot. nice informative video. good job!
+BitterrootRambler possibly. thanks.
+BitterrootRambler Cord locks are so heavy....
Great lakes prepper how much does a knot weigh.
Very interesting and informative video. I've been seeing these stoves in videos, but never broken down like you show it. Thanks. :)
+Donna Parker thanks Donna, enjoy your weekend.
that's got to be the best looking stove to me ! very cool and very pricey ! great setup all around Ben great vid , i really like the tinder pouch LOL
thanks for sharing
atb john
the mi woodsman Price wise it a cheap compared to some like four dog titanium stoves which can run $800+.
wow i had no idea they make 800 dollar stoves i guess this one is a deal then !
fourdog.com/titanium-ul-stoves/
seekoutside.com/wood-stoves/
A few comparisons.
I wonder if you could do the same with stainless steel flashing on the stove pipe?
It's been a few years, how's the stove holding up over the long term?
That stove is awesome Ben! It did it's job for sure and at a weight that is surprising. I'm just curious as to how it all holds up after being put together and taken apart about a dozen times. You did a great job bringing this to us. Once again the shelter has fast become one of my favorite ones out there. Take care bub.
Shane Coffey Yeah I am wondering the same.
I’m always bumping into you Shane lol..Joe. This stove is pretty interesting.
@@MrTmax74 birds of a feather… 😉
@@Shanecoffeyoutdoors haha right
I am currently looking for a stove for my tent, I am curious how this is working and holding up. I think you have had it about 3 years now and wondering if it is still holding up good.I can see how it would be beneficial for back packing a light weight set up across the mountains etc.
Thanks for the video and I hope you have a blessed and safe week.
dale
to make fire with the flintstone, is for the advenbture feeling?
looks very simple and easy and very effective!
I really enjoy your videos, you definitely do your homework ahead of time. Good tip in there about having cut-resistant gloves also. Thanks!
+Overland Truck thanks for watching.
How fun!! Dang, I'm so envious!!!!
steinwaygoat :)
Great video on the stove, two questions, with no rain cap will you have an issue in a heavy rain situation, and two I would love to see the take down of the stove and how dirty it becomes when packing it. I will defiantly take a look at the stove.
T&B Kuntry Strong I should be taking it down in the next few days and will do a video on it, however since it rolls into itself it should at least be good until you get home. Then you could do a proper wipe down. Also, it rained pretty hard and did not effect it at all, you could hear the water coming down but it just burned off right away. I think this would be a larger problem with larger diameter stoves. I may make something for the top and integrate a spark arrestor too.
Great to hear, I will be watching to see the take down. Thanks for the reply
Why wouldn't you try to clear the snow off the ground before setting up your tent there? and you have a wood burning stove, but nothing to put on the ground?
+Kraken Fodder that would work if you only had an inch or so but typically there is a few feet of snow. nothing wrong with being right on the snow.
Except for the moisture, especially with a stove. Everything on the ground would get wet, and everything else would get damp
Kraken Fodder Actually the stove dries everything out with dry air.
How? any air produced by the stove goes out the vent. Stoves radiate heat, which dries nothing
It would likely dry more if it was encased by another layer, with a fan blowing air through it
Great video thanks for sharing. Definitely gonna be adding this to my Xmas list. That stove looks like it will make my elk hunt next year a bit more comfortable! Also might add a stove jack to my ice fishing shelter and run it in there as well.
+Marc Perez they have made them a bit better as well :)
Is it true that most hunters kill their prey within a mile of their car? I’m just curious being a thru hiker myself. I see this gear used by hunters and wonder how they can carry all this weight and then pack out meat afterwards.
How far out into the backcountry do you go?
Ey living survival, I just want you to know that I enjoy your videos very much. Always full of useful information!
Hey thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
What about high winds. I see the pipe is not secured with a line. Won't the stove be rattled around during a storm?
Bill Hill I was out in some fairly high winds, I suppose it could but the opening in the tipi is pretty small and made tighter against the pipe by the rain flap so it doesn't move much.
I love that stove, dude! Good match for the teepee. With a bigger teepee, you get a few buddies together, leave the wives indoors of course, and do a winter campout. Beer, whiskey and snack of course. Awesome.
Idea Sandwich Yep, perfect.
The damper stops the fire burning too fast on the chimney
What's the longest burn time you think you could get out of a stove this size if you restricted the air flow correctly and used good hard wood?
+Spencer Guffey 30mins to an hour probably...but the heat will stay put for hours after unless it is REALLY cold.
Great stove could be made better. Add another pipe to the bottom to introduce air from the outside your shelter so you don't send your heated air up the chimney? This will allow you to use less wood. If I set camp for long periods I would wrap the outside in bubble wrap and mylar that would keep the heat in and you would use even less wood.
+Defend your 4A great tips, thanks.
Your pop up comment window says you can order it from Amazon, but I couldn't find it there. So LiteOutdoors is the only place to order it?
Don't want to cut my hands up building a stove. Why didn't they dull the edges? Passing on this item.
Gloves are not required but I stay on the side of safe not sorry. Thanks for watching and have a great weekend.
Calluses... the working man's glove
It really would have been nice to see how you got the stack rolled, I put the stove together right out of the box for the first time in about six minutes but the 84” stack is absolutely miserable!
After the burn-in it takes a set and practically rolls itself.
How does this cylinder stove and the Seekoutside stove compare? Do you have a preference.
I have not seen any of these stoves again in your videos
Easy carry, and lightweight! I noticed you removed your gloves again during setup. Was setting up difficult with gloves?
Awesome design, and very well thought out.
Thanks for sharing
SurvivalTech Nord I think I took them off to turn the turnbuckles. Sometimes I have to mess with the camera too so maybe took them off for that.
Living Survival Cool. Then I think this one is a keeper!
If I were using it all the time or on expedition etc I would go for a flat and heavier one but for this purpose and a few nights out it is perfect.
Something else to consider is if the tent has a floor you'll want something to protect it from burning/melting. Maybe a couple ceramic floor tiles??
You wouldn't want to use with a floor.
That's pretty cool, packability comes at a price, ie mega fiddly, but the end result looks a good product and looking at the weather, a vital bit of kit. As always, a great review.
+05Rudey Right, the goal was light weight and it hit that spot on.
Need to stack rocks around that stove to absorb all the heat being produced by it. Its a neat product but the thin metal will not keep the heat like other wood stoves. They should design an alcohol burner insert for it has well Made with rolled up carbon fiber to absorb the alcohol for a long burn time.
I saw this stove in your RUclips Channel and buy him :-)Thank you for the Review :-)Greetings from Switzerland
+BlueeyesM27 thanks for watching.
Got my tent a few days ago and the stove came in yesterday.Put the stove together easy. Still have to put the pipe together. but I wanted to thank you for your video.! Great job! Wanted to ask after you took the pipe back down did you have any problems rolling the pipe back to the way it came in the pouch? Just was wondering.
Nope, went back very easily.
wondering about springs instead of turn buckles ,nice stove
+overdbus their new version is nicer with rods.
I take it that when you took the stove apart, the pipe went back to it's original shape.
Yes it will but will be easier to form the 2nd time around.
Wow that's awesome man great video I hope you do the over night
Michael Daury I hope I get the time as well.
great job on this vid. appreciate the very complete build n test burn
+funshootin1 got another one if you missed that.
you made that look harder than it should be
Titanium/ titanium alloy is just an awesome metal for outdoor gear...Seriously.
looks pretty great. if only there was a way to harness the heat to cook one could have it all
+Steven Edwards watch my other video on it. I cook with it just fine.
Hell Yeah! Great video! I read some comment that said it looked like a complete pain in the ass, but I find being in windy 4 degree temps, getting frost bite, and or dying to be more so of a pain in the ass. Well done!
+bfgivmfith it isn't that difficult once you have done it a few times.