Genius Cops Flatter Psychopath Into Confessing
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2023
- In today's true crime documentary, we're covering the case of Thayne Ormsby.
Note for RUclips's review team, here is the context of the video: this is an educational documentary and authoritative news piece based on actual police documents and case files. Our team of psychology professionals analyze the interrogation footage from an educational perspective with a focus on psychology, red flags, and prevention. Our goal is to educate the public, inform our audience, and raise awareness. 
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Whenever I watch EWU, I always pay attention like “yeah I’m gonna immediately ask for a lawyer, and avoid doing this and that with my hands so I don’t seem nervous, and oh I shouldn’t talk too much” - and then I have to remind myself I’m not a criminal lmao
Even if you’re not a criminal it’s good to keep in mind. Innocent people get accused all the time.
@@2Siders 100% correct. You need a lawyer if you are put in that room. It is your right for a reason.
@@jollysomalian amazing how many people say that when watching a video of extremely evil killers. Who gives a shit if they have a lawyer?
@2Siders People never understand this.
I tell my wife every so often, regardless of what you think, even if you actually killed ME, if you ever find yourself in an interrogation room for ANY REASON, the first words you say should always be "I am formally requesting a lawyer"
Absolutely no debate of "did they actually ask for a lawyer or were they just curious" because I've seen people start asking for a lawyer but weren't direct enough about it and the interrogation kept going
Same lol
"Obviously this is premeditated murder"
Well done, Thayne. I'm sure your lawyer really appreaciated you saying that lol.
Probably. Quick easy money for defense.
Literally, my jaw dropped when I heard that lol
easier job for his lawyer. just sit back and relax. No need to work on the case.
and then he plead not guilty! and then he plead insanity!
@@onyxsky13 To be fair - You do have to insane to plead not guilty after admitting you commited first degree murder
This “intelligent” kid just talked himself right into a prison cell and a life sentence. This detective was incredible. He should teach classes on how to build rapport with a suspect.
@@frankskoda-simmonsHe certainly seemed like one. A small naive child going up against a grandmaster
Prisons are fictional. Do you think thats untrue?
It takes immense mental prowess. He has to focus on each movement, I bet he remembers how his lips looked in slow motion. Analize that intormation within seconds and chosing the optimal way. Notice how quickly he takes up the paternal character. And it's so natural. For a moment you feel like you known him your entire life. That local everybody's pop kinda cop. It's truly a marvel to see!
On a second note, we teachers have to be able to perform that every day but on a much lower level obviously, that is why I notice what I did. I mean where I live, we were prepared to act in face of child abuse and such difficulties. We can only suggest things to child support services if something really major happens, but at least we have the ability to notice things to report if and when we have the opportunity.
Or teach classes for general use.
They don’t catch the smart ones.
The detective was very intelligent in this case. he played Thayne so hard, blowing up his ego for a confession. And at the end when he shook his hand and said “may God have mercy on your soul” was a cherry on top
literally gave me chills. if a detective ever uttered those words to me i would shit my pants
Pretty sure they said that to prisoners who were about to be executed too.
He reminds me of Brad Mondo lol
Always love when the killer basically confesses, then says "I should probably get a lawyer", then continues talking to the detective without one.
If killers would be rational and balanced, they probably would not be killers.
Because they want to appear innocent and forget that they're actually guilty 🥹😂😂
@@kburtsev or not be caught...
It's because he's young and impulsive, narcissistic and loves the attention.
Timestamp plz
A masterclass in detective work. Literally broke Thane down brick by brick. It was like watching chess game played by a toddler and a grandmaster
Why did he kill Jeff?
@@Joru0906 RIGHT
@@looksirdroids9134 When has this channel put out any bad interrogations? please enlighten me.
@@looksirdroids9134 one pair of detectives isnt a representative of the millions of others. THIS was good detective work, noone is talking about anyone else' work, we're talking about THESE detectives.
@@looksirdroids9134 One dumb comment doesn't make up a lifetime of being a loser.
This guy could just be breathing and the narrator would be like, "His rhythmic regular intakes of life-giving oxygen clearly represent a soothing behavior that belays his nervousness, and his obvious desire to live is a universally accepted sign of intense guilt..."
Deadass 😂😂
“But in some cases, this could also just be considered breathing.”
Nice lol
Amazing and true comment 😂
Grizzly Adams
This detective has to be one of the most incredible interrogators I've ever seen. The way he can so effortlessly go from being super comforting towards the suspect to make them open up to confronting them directly about their lies, and all without ever losing his trust, even at the very end.
I wonder how he would have fared against that other nutjob obsessed with American Psycho, Ethan whatsitsface.
He's incredibly good at reading people and knowing how to react to things the guy says to keep him talking. It must take some serious compartmentalization for him to be able to speak of these horrific crimes this way, pretending like he almost admires the killer. Only a specific sort of person can perform a job like this. I hope he has a good outlet for his feelings after interrogations--it seems like this sort of performance, though necessary, can wear away on the soul.
yes it does
@@zoyadulzura7490
I wonder how he would do against someone who isn't a dipshit college boy named Thane 😂
How come there are unsolved.murders in Maine while this genius is on the case 😂
Adorable profile picture.
Holy shit I've never seen a detective compliment a suspect on how they murdered somebody before, not to mention that it actually worked to his advantage. Masterful work.
Psychopathy/ narcissism are some very interesting disorders. Actively sabotaging yourself over belief of flattery. The cop knew that
I’m a narcissist myself. You can easily win my trust or get me to forgive you if you compliment me in some way
@@theludvigmaxis1 good for you!
@@theludvigmaxis1 don’t make it sound like a flex lol
@@angel-fybdgw I’m just giving honest advice for if you ever think you’re dealing with a narcissist
"I want to rid the world of drug dealers"
*Asks cop for a joint*
Haha I didn't even think about that!! His demeanor reminds of kids I used to know from school, you can jokingly complement him and he'll just roll with it no matter how stupid it is.
I want to ban women's rights.
*Buys wife a dozen Krispy Kreme Doughnuts*
😂
@@jeffbrunswick5511Lmao spoken like a true num nut.
You don't have to be a drug dealer to have some weed lol.
'I always get caught'
That didn't age well for him
Foreshadowing 😂
Probably the only true thing he said in that interview
"Good luck to you, and may God have mercy on your soul"
That sent chills down my spine. I cant imagine the thoughts going through that detectives head. Listening to him confess while boasting and bragging.
fact
True; but again, they are detectives for a reason and not simple cops
Mine, too. Those words are clearly professional and detached, and yet hold so much gravity at the same time. It is to say "You are the worst person imaginable. You deserve no grace, but I extend you decency because it is a reflection of my humanity in contrast to what you are."
Note that I am just stating what I see objectively. At that moment, Thayne is damned and a world apart from all of humankind. He serves only to be an example of who/what not to be. He is socially excommunicated and demonized, a humanoid object of fascination, a sideshow freak (as per this video), and a burden to the state and society.
It's chilling because we know that that's the significance of what he just said, but imagine being so numb and disconnected, and a prisoner of some some bewildered, self-serving, destructive passion, that you can only reply "okay".
Everything is lost on him. All of the strength, beauty and integrity in the world is lost on him. Remove the anger and indignation we feel and it's amazingly sad to see such detachment, isolation and abstraction of mind in someone.
Amen@@nessamillikan6247
The detective had this kid thinking he was Jason bourne. It’s amazing what can be done when appealing to the ego of a psycho, expertly done as well.
He considers himself an assassin??? How embarrassing.
They played him like a fiddle using flattery, every narcissist's achilles heel.
@@chrischickering1959 a mental assassin. Self trained, subconsciously, to be precise.
@@JunkBondTraderquite possibly the most embarrassing thing I’ve ever heard I had to skip ahead
@@angryanakin Sometimes it's so award I mute and watch something else or skip ahead. I wonder what it's like for these detectives at the end of a work day. Heavy stuff.
I love this detective. “Its a little dance were doing. But you know I know.” What a legend
It's such a break of character from his dumbed down persona. This guy was one of the most "proficient" interrogators I've seen
@@loukurasdoarthur It's disgusting that he enjoyed that they described what the killer did as proficient :/
One of the best interrogations I've seen, such professionalism.
How is he a legend he shook the dogs hand at the end
@@saimrahman862 While sayin may god have mercy on your soul. That was a deal done/Youre done handshake
I’m retired ex-law enf & military. Watching this detective work was very satisfying. His methodology is excellent. He has the innate ability to deliver fear, doubt and feign empathy with equal measure, whilst maintaining rapport. I said my whole career, you can only go so far in teaching this stuff. Ultimately, I believe you either have it or you don’t.
This kid is a monster, and I doubt he’ll be in general population prison. He’ll spend his life in the company of society’s most disdainful.
Thank you
@@KFCA194 what for?
@@chaos4316this guy is weird, he keeps writing thank you underneath everyone’s comments
During my time in Maine for my job I was able to interview many of those serving long term to life sentences. Thayne is an interesting character with many interests, he is in fact general population and has adjusted to prison life reasonably well. He is certainly not the worst inmate in his unit and I do believe that he isn't entirely evil - definitely not a psychopath or a maniac. You see this a lot of with younger offenders, especially those with fractured family structures or abusive childhoods - two others that have featured on this channel from New Hampshire were the same in my personal experience.
@@TheWhitePencil You're bad at detecting psychopaths. Go read about it for a while, just because someone acts like a normal person doesn't mean they aren't a psychopath.
Anytime cops ask the same question more than once, it should be a dead giveaway that they know you're lying
One thing I have noticed, if a detective asks "What should happen to the person once we find them?", you're done for
🇨🇦 yes , so many parents ask this question of children who are caught .Thayne was soooooo sophisticated it seemed to go over his head . Not very bright ! I’ll never ,ever understand why this happened . My friend was attacked the same way after inviting a new acquaintance over for a hockey game .The power went out for a few seconds and when the lights came back on he saw the monster behind his friend ,holding the ax over his friends head and yelled just in time for him to move so the ax didn’t make its mark , saving his life though there was terrific damage.The monster was angry at being thwarted and attacked my friend chopping him up pretty badly .Thank God neither of them died BUT they are both so fxxxxd up now .We live in a small village where trust is ( was) huge towards strangers .Not any more ! Many of us have nightmares after that senseless attack , no arguments ,no fights , nothing but old fashioned hospitality ,offering a hockey game and beer to a new fellow without a tv. This case is so similar !
WTF IS WRONG WITH SOME SOULESS PAOPLE ?!?
Right, is the mortal combat finish him
They aren't showing interviews of people who turned out to be innocent, maybe they ask everyone this question?
It's part of the Reid technique, to ask what the punishment should be
what it reveals is a sudden shift in demeanor - they made him comfortable, hyped up his ego, and he was super chatty and opinionated. so when hit with that question, for him to then suddenly have no opinion on a topic that would normally be heavily speculated on by everyone and their grandma would be very revealing of (if not guilt) then a conflicted internal psychology
That detective was absolutely amazing at his job. He played the part perfectly and got everything needed to make sure he could never hurt another soul. I’m sure it was hard to separate emotions to appear so nonchalant. 10/10 standing ovation.
He got lured in so easily lom
What made him decide to confess all of a sudden after the coffee/piss break?
@@Joru0906 He knew they knew everything so he didn't see any point in bullshitting anymore 😕
@@Joru0906 dna evidence that put him on the scene right around the time of the murders
@@looksirdroids9134 Are you going to reply this to everyone?
"Mistakes happen, thats why your computer has a delete key"
Lol i love modern updates of old adages
yea.. and the Killer is going to be deleting his future for a very long time!
this detective is such a stud. imagine taking down monsters for a living by manipulating them into thinking they’re a “good boy”. such cool stuff. i hope that guy gets paid well he’s probably a hero in Amity. for all that time those people in amity were probably unable to sleep until this guy does masterful work
😀
people who talk to police and don't ask for a lawyer are just not very intelligent in the first place lol
So funny how easily Thayne was manipulated into thinking the detective was on his side. He even asked if he could wait to arrest him so he could finish he coffee and smoke a cigarette, and the detective responded in the coolest way too saying "no its time, may god have mercy on your soul." You could see at that moment by the reaction of Thayne that he just realized he got played like a fiddle.
Loved it. 😘
@@chill21100 yes i in every situation would say, sorry i have a rule to never talk to the police because of fear to say something negative for me. thats not even suspicious. i dont understand why they dont do that
@@wolflarsen1900
I'm sure after committing a crime of that magnitude puts you in a state of mind that we just can't relate to & like this kid he probably never had a father figure like that detective whom, I'm sure he (in some weird way,) admired. These seasoned detectives have skills that can break even the worst sociopathic killers.
@@GingerNinja1 yes you are right. but this unbelivable skills (oh they have really unbelivable skills) not only can break sociopaths it also can make innocent people confess to a crime they dont comment. that happens in 25% of all confessions to murder that they didnt do it. this figure is also well established and researched and not an estimation. The reason for that is exactly is skill you can not only break the stories of an guilty sociopath and lock them in their stories until they have no way out other to confess, you can also easily do it with innocent people. mental pressure, hours and days of talking do the rest.
@wolflarsen1900 where's your source.... I mean really 25%????
I had to stop at 52:13 and take a moment to mentally process that this innocent, 10 year old little boy's last words before being brutally murdered with a sword were, "I'm scared."
God rest his soul and my heart goes out to his family. RIP Jesse Ryan.
My. God. So horrible. 💔😢
Broke my heart hearing that. I don't know how u can just go and kill anyone, but especially a poor defenseless child. Its just sick.
oh my heart
Murder is fictional. Do you think thats untrue?
Right?? What a fucking monster.
It’s amazing how we walk among complete psychopaths everyday and never know it. How could someone murder people they have never met especially a little boy hiding in a corner scared to death. Absolutely sickening!
Most people are capable of such things. War is a proof of that
@@siemniaknot accurate. The government gave drugs to soldiers in Vietnam to make them more pliable
@@siemniakwe are all capable. It's just whether or not we decide to be evil enough.
You can absolutely know it though, if you’re familiar with the red flags of ASPD.
@@rocketta.chique5761 not everyone with ASPD murders people or is even at a higher risk of doing so
I've watched hundreds of interrogations over the years. This Detective is one of the most intelligent and smartest detectives I've ever seen. He is brilliant at what he does. He needs to teach other detectives how to do their job better.
I hate when criminals act so smug when they recollect what happened and only start crying when they realize they got caught. No remorse whatsoever.
I agree criminals are bad and deserve to rot in the jail of there killings innocent people that's so sad and evil of a person can do to another person really sad😢
I hate police people who think they are smart because they are the police
@@mohsenslim4395 okay
@@mohsenslim4395 Projecting much?
Omg the end, when he revels in being called a "homicidal maniac" yeah.....you're proud you ambushed and killed 3 people (including a child, he was just a baby 🥺)
the ending where he said the families might become closer from this and the kids would be better off without their father actually made my jaw drop. what an absolute monster
Ormsby was a good boy, "killing for the greater good", like how most murderers and liars (and politicians) justify themselves.
For real idk why he didn’t just shut his mouth
And that the 10 year old child was "well on his way" to becoming a crook.
That statement and telling the mother "it's nothing personal" I couldn't believe he said that.
They were wanting him to say something and he was just voicing his thoughts to the person sitting in front of him
This kid talks and acts like he's in a movie. I've never seen a human being act this way
Also a true masterclass of an interrogation, that detective was insanely good.
It looks like he has NPD or maybe BPD. Their ego can be incredibly inflated as a defensive mechanism. He may look calm, but he is losing his mind internally.
Yeah a psychopath acts and feels a little different than the average Person.
@realhuman8305 Definitely not BPD. BPD makes you paranoid, impulsive, and temperamental. This guy was cold, calm, and calculating.
The way he was talking was giving me Patrick Bateman vibes
Played by Tom Cruise 😂
I'll never understand how someone can murder another human being in cold blood but taking the life of a child is just a whole other level of evil smh. Disgusts me to my core.
the whole family is involved with drugs. probably it fked up their brains.
Same..... Same same same it's very annoying to me that people think it's their place to do that to kids. Like adult slayings are bad enough but kids are off limits and should always be. But I only think of killing as self defense tactic personally
I'll never understand the death penalty!.... We punish murderers by murdering them????
@@rachelread1346 I agree but sometimes it's warranted.. A murderer can be turned around and reform but a mass killer, someone mentally not put together who is NEVER getting out and always going to be a danger to society, why should those people continue to exist, paid for by us?
@@THISISLolesh hmmmm..... You have a good point there. I'm English so don't really understand..... I could understand putting school shooters on death row!!!
I was absolutely gobsmacked by the way the detective told him he is arrested, shook his hand and said "may God be with you". Zero emotions, pure professionalism. Hats off to you, Sir.
I think the man was just happy to he getting a conviction.
The main detective clearly just happy for himself that he's actually decent at his job.
What he said was “may God have mercy on your soul” which almost every judge will say to a condemned convict.
@@tonyr669 lmao that changes things alot i havnt gotten to that part yet
@@tonyr669 these Bible thumping judges and cops need to keep god out of the courtroom. And the bootlickers need to quit boot licking these cops are just selfish pigs who take joy in sending this young man to prison. The justice system loves to take down promising young white males. Everyone deserves a second chance.
Its absolutely incredible how these detectives are so good at manipulating people into confessing and destroying their stories. I never knew there was such a science to it
The detective laughing as he said "i always get caught" was amazing
These detectives did a fantastic job interviewing him. Many could learn from them. The patience they had was remarkable.
CJ 102 class video.
The Columbo routine.
Until he said. You're a good boy. You're a good man. I know he has to say that but dang
Ellsworth is a horrible school/town they never pay attention to kids especially the ones who need it this kid was always weird and talked about fantasy all the time he never seemed right he always hung out by himself but would talk to anyone I never really hung out around him
Psychopaths or sociopaths have no connection to people
I'm a trucker and I listen to EWU almost daily. There is something so satisfying watching these narcissists and psychopaths think they're gonna outsmart detectives, only to have their stories completely fall apart. The moment they realize they're fucked is so fun to watch. There is literally no scenario in the world why you'd have to kill a 10 year old, unless they are about to shoot you or something.
Yep i agree with ya there, keep the shiny side up man
Is it just me or does this guy Thayne have an unusually punchable face? Look at em.
Even then I would probably just die trucker to bro
Thank you for your hard work 💜 your a gift ..
I'm not a trucker but I feel ya, EWU is great for long drives or road trips
“Somewhere in my subconscious of my mind I’ve developed myself as just that, an assassin. With no training just sheer mental imagination” 49:15
This is the most Michael Scott from The Office line I’ve ever heard.
See here he took a breath
:This is a sign of breathing, but it can also be a sign of deception
The look on his face when he realizes at the end the detectives don't really care for his bs is priceless.
He probably knew deep down that he was being lead to confess etc, but he probably realized that there's no way he was going to get away with it after talking with the detective and realizing the evidence, etc. so he might as well accept it.
yeah he was shocked to realize his ramblings are not actually as fascinating to listen to as he thinks lol
That's exactly what makes me think he's not a psycho. He looks to me like a narcissist who just cares a lot about how he comes across and if he gets any approval. That then makes me think that he may have a bit of autism because he cannot read into the fakeness of the concern displayed for him. Maybe no autism but the need for validation is so through the roof that it blinds him to the distinction between a professional's interest in the case as part of the nature of his job and a professional's interest in the young amateur "proficient" "son" who seems to reflect him at the other side of the coin. I also think he wasn't completely off his mental capacity by the end of it. TBH, it looked like he was self promoting for overseas covert false flag ops where righteous folks get to kill citizens of other nations for "democracy", right where those citizens sit. On the top of oil wells, hills of gold and sht. The argument about taking law in your hand is kind of self-defeating, because law isn't exactly synonymous with justice and is made in the hands of people that are supposed to represent you but are put on a payroll by corporate and hedge fund criminals who need to have laws designed for them with the loopholes cut out for all that their ill will wills. There isn't exactly an impartial place of judgment for you to question how, whom you bestowed with so much power, uses that power and who he represents. It's the same old old court room and same old ties you're constrained with. I'd be happy if this pos went and died in a corner as soon as he can but if it turns out that he can train to control his impulse, he might in fact be sent off to some mission to kill and die for people who don't want to bloody their hands, the method's gotta be as old as the emergence of first city states, at least.
Timecode please.
@@korkunctheterrible4302 what made him tell the truth in the second part of the interview?
It's actually scary how these cops are able read these guys. Lots of respect for them
Hmmm....
Perhaps it takes one to know one...? 🤔
@@practice4617 Years or experience arresting and interrogating criminals.
It’s not really too hard with evidence and a logical mind that can fill the gaps that the evidence already points to
You see them mentioning different interrogation techniques on these videos, usually the Reid Technique. These cops took classes on how to interrogate people.
@practice Aut... hmm?
If you can't picture yourself in those chairs somehow, you're not being honest with yourself.
The last “may god have mercy on your soul” goes hard
*makes a statement with such conviction*
"how do you know that?"
"hearsay"
🤦♂
The face he made when the detective took his coffee from him and wouldn’t let him finish it. 😂 We was so confused that the good cop act was up as soon as the detective had gotten what he wanted.
I was looking for a comment like this. He was so offended 😂
He accepted it with no hard feelings at all.
This was my friends dad and best friend who got murdered. This destroyed her family. I really hope this man is suffering in jail after everything he put them through
You can count on it
Unfortunately, he will be manipulating his way in prison because that's what psychopaths do. His biggest problem is that there are bigger and meaner psychopaths in prison, too, which will be using him like a drum.
@@sheribrougham4863 even after all these years he still believes he did nothing wrong and he tries to file an appeal every few years.
I sincerely hope things improve for your friend and others so deeply affected by this ❤❤❤ strangers do care .
Absolutely devastating.
The detectives were great in getting this confession. He could've stopped talking when he heard they have his DNA.
Please beware of those you invite in your home.
RIP to the victims.
They say flattery will get you no where, it got these incredible police everywhere!
It could be measured on the Richter scale how hard the world shook as every lawyer simultaneously slapped their foreheads when he said, " obviously this is premeditated murder"
Can someone explain? I dont get it
@@lyven9872 It's too funny
@@lyven9872 if you’re guilty of murder one of the worst things you can admit to is that it was premeditated, cuz even if it’s proven that you’re the person who did it your lawyer may still try to defend you by saying it was self-defence, provocation, etc. but if you’ve already admitted it was premeditated they can’t do that and you’re gonna get the max sentence lol
@@lyven9872 Slapping your head is an expression of shock. Saying your crime was premeditated murder is not what a lawyer would recommend. The Richter scale measures the magnitude of earthquakes. The lawyers slapped their foreheads so hard it caused an earthquake that could be measured by geologists on the Richter scale when the lawyers heard the defendant say it was premeditated murder.
Thanks for coming to the TED talk
@@patrickdoty5534 I love that not only you explained why what he said was dumb to say, but also why the lawyers would react to the dumb thing by slapping their head. Social cues, especially physical ones like slapping your forehead or shrugging can vary depending on culture and geography, so they may not have known, cool that you added that
That detective definitely chose the right career. Well done. And RIP to the victims. 🙏
Detectives are among the most intelligent people on the planet. They are very tricky, clever, have photographic memories. They have lots of experience with criminals and can spot deception and make people confess. Wait until the detective says he has this guy's DNA.
NO cig NO coffee .... it is time. But can we go fishing before i have to turn myself in?. More power to the detectives. Bless them for having to go home having to see crime scenes like that. And me. I will just push REPLY and out of mind.
Ok but doesn’t anyone else feel like it’s so obvious what the detectives doing? 😂 I guess if you’re narcissistic or a psychopath, you actually believe they’re there just to hear you chit chat.
@@enteryourname2289 The world must be whirling around their head. Can you imagine seeing the killings being played over and over and over again day in day out. Maybe people like that have a filter and they do not see that.
@@scpowerSource? True me
i would like to see interrogations about people who were falsely convicted of crime because of that interrogation. would really be a double psychological episode. Examining the defendend, examining the cop(s) who made mistakes or maybe pushed to hard for a false confession. Maybe you guys could look into that?
I want to see that too
"I always get caught"
gets caught 💀
How the detective kept his emotions in check was a thing of wonder. even right at the end he remained PROFESSIONAL and focused on his job. He did those innocent victims proud
Exactly it's all about remaining professional
Yeah this guy's good.
Thank you
It's good to see people understanding what's important here. There are so many videos where people comment about how the detectives need to be more "direct" or say they're being too "nice" to killers. All that does is briefly satisfy your urge to yell at these people. If you really want to do what's right and best for everyone, you do what's needed to get the truth out.
are you thane?@@SergeantArxelCone
Out of all the EWU videos I’ve seen.. These investigators did the best job at easing the suspect in, and making him feel comfortable IMO. The way the let the suspect dig his own grave and back himself into a corner was super impressive. All the while acting like some cool dudes you’d meet at a bar or ball game.
agree, they did a great job. best interrogation I've ever seen and I've watched a lot of them
Dude was full of himself, it was probably the easiest suspect for them.
@@redjuice02p 16:51 😮😅😅 17:23
I always find it excessive when they start telling a complete stranger how smart they are and responsible and caring. I would immediately shut that down
@@tylerlemaster2430 gotta build their ego to build trust
The detective deserves a raise after this he was so good!
This is one of the best detectives I've witnessed. Masterful interview 🙌
That poor, poor kid. He had his whole life ahead of him and it was stolen from him by this psychopath. The last moments of the victims lives must’ve been sheer terror.
Rest in peace Jesse, rest in peace Jeff and Jason. My thoughts go out to their grieving family.
the guy didnt even have the excuse of being psychotic. He was just a fucking deluded asshole. but yeah agreed, this was so messed up
Psychopaths are fictional. Would you like to discuss methods of torture used to make humans act as if thats untrue?
@@bunk95Psychopaths are fictional huh, what's it like having an IQ below 100? Do you struggle with everyday tasks? Genuine question.
It's so satisfying to watch the cop go from playing friendly to just cold when he's being arrested. It can be frustrating to watch them stroke the egos of these people and it helps remind us its all an act to get the evidence. It's pretty impressive
It would never work if he had a shred of IQ. he just had to not speak. The detective isn’t smart the criminal is just stupid.
@@haiskateboarding6202
I wouldn’t say the criminal was stupid, his ego and impulsivity is what got him caught. If the interrogator was bad at this job he wouldn’t have been able to coax him to the point where he wanted to confess especially without a lawyer. You lack an understanding of the dynamic between the perp and the interrogator as well as the obvious traits of someone with the perps affliction. He didn’t get a lawyer because of his delusions of grandeur, sometimes they won’t opt for a lawyer because they believe that they truly are smarter and more superior than everyone else and have little to no doubt that they will get caught. The interrogator was very good at what he did.
@@Dan-F5050 Yeah with these videos I spend the first half like "Get a lawyer, you dumbass!" and then after the confession or when they bring out the evidence I'm glad they didn't. This guy is a monster.
I mean if police are willing to act fake stuff etc to achieve their agenda it’s no wonder we are raising criminals that are willing to do the same to meet theirs.
They played him like a video game
Thayne: "I should probably get a lawyer."
Also Thayne 5 minutes later: "It was premeditated murder so that I could prove that I'm a proficient assassin. I know, I'm as shocked as you by how good I was in this hit."
I haven’t watched the whole thing yet but I’m gonna fucking choke if he actually says that word for word💀
OMG! I am hooked to the videos that I went to bed at 4am. I kept saying one more until I realized I have to be at work 830am. Well worth the dark eye circles. Back for round 2 😂😂 Keep up the great addicting videos lol prayers and healing for the families ❤️
What a disturbing case. How he rationalized killing the boy was incredibly sick.
@@alexandertt you’re the epitome of what is wrong with the true crime community or humanity in general.
@@scorpiyooo4559 who are you to judge lol
@@dirtydangler uhhh he's somebody who doesn't say a homicidal maniac isn't disturbing because he's attracted to him..
@@scorpiyooo4559 take a joke brother
@@alexandertt What ? lol
“I always get caught” oh how those words were sweet to hear come out of his mouth
Subbed after I realized I hadn't yet after watching multiple (!) videos and no other channel of the genre comes close to yours. 😂❤❤❤❤❤
"may god have mercy on your soul" was the most brutal thing that could have been said as he's getting locked up
"The sponge isnt wet" 🧽
If you're religious. If not it doesn't mean shit lol well atleast to me it doesn't.
@@valak9663 I tried to take it back boss🤣😭
I got shivers legit
Dudes voice is so epic for narrating
AND U KNOW THIS....MAAN....ur not lying....
Sounds like he smoked ten packs of cigarettes, didn't drink water for a day, and just woke up.
The best on this channel
It’s probably a paid narrator
Why is the voice different!! It's not the usual guy (from last few episodes, who I prefer > the female)
I learned a lot of valuable information from this channel! Always look forward to new ones coming up😊
“Well obviously I wasn’t planning on getting caught.” A whole shiver went down my spine
We really have to appreciate how GOOD this detective is!! He is the real EFFICIENT one in this story... Really impressive, hats off to him 👏
He is isn't he? What a pro.
he definitely did the right thing in his interrogation. played into the suspect perfectly.
After watching a few of these interrogations i would like to read the
recruitment criteria for police officer.
I mean in general Americas finest are
portrayed to possess morality, ethics, honesty, and humane values.
In order to act in the communities best interest to protect and serve.
All the while smiling, joking, charming, befriending, lying and deceiving the suspect into a confession.
How often can you pull something like that off without it affecting you personal live it being part of your nature?
Or is it apart of the Character traits to become
a police officer.
@@maddog8004 perhaps, but you still recognize he is good at what he does. I can't speculate about the philosophical reasoning behind why he WANTS to do it. i think someone could learn to be a good interrogator, and not have it necessarily be their core identity.
@@maddog8004 I feel like the really good interrogators are good people- that they're smart and can read peopleand adapt.... I'm sure they are normal humans with good friends and that at the end of the day, they train hard to be their best because those skills put really bad people away. The better they are- the more they can tell who's being truthful. I've heard being investigators is a brutal job,that it's nonstop and you see the worst in people- but they lean heavily on coworkers and have counselors to help that not transfer into their home life as much.
That poor little boy. I can’t imagine the horror he felt in those last minutes. The confusion and terror all 3 victims must have felt is unimaginable. My thoughts go out to their families.
Great work EWU , as always.
Too young. Too damn young.
@@stmsin
I’m saying it’s especially tragic because he’s very young.
I thought you were talking about the killer at first, I was waiting for a sarcastic punchline. But yes, absolutely heartbreaking that these psychos can do such terrible things to someone so innocent and helpless 😔
@@marlinbundo2409
Oh no not at all. Screw the killer. Lol
I'm sure your thoughts will be a great source of consolation for them
Epitome of a psychopath. Calm and relaxed and not bothered one bit about his demonic evil.
I love this dude
Kudos to this detective. He is exceptionally skilled at what he does.
thanks
this detective was very impressive. one of the best executions of an interrogation i’ve ever seen
Less than an hour in and he has him completely cornered on a lie it’s artistry
@@glossyplane542 yeah and just based off miniscule details too like the beer bike and cigarettes. Very impressive
I would like to thank the creators of EWU! This is the only crime show channel that i watch on RUclips. Love the narrator and all the information he provides.
This detective is one of the best i've seen so far
I love how they keep flattering him and he falls for it every time.
Agreed! The narcissism is strong in this one.
This is such a sad story. A little boy was murdered in cold blood, and scared. As a father, it makes my blood boil. Great video, this guy really was a serious PoS.
Super sad. Feel awful for the kid.
The same. I am filled with rage and sorrow for how terrified, alone and terrorized he must have felt... how much was must have wanted his daddy to protect him. 😢
I couldn't agree more as a father myself. It's hard to believe that people could do such horrific things to a child.
Committed by a usual suspect.
great video never watched it
I wonder how the detectives live with the fact that they solve sensless murders without ever knowing exactly why? I knew a homicide detective. I lived in his house as one of his own. That job aged him terribly. He drank and smoked constantly. He always seemed internally in turmoil. Yet he treated us like gold. Never said a word about his job. PTSD? Rest in peace Uncle Sandy. You deserve peace.
Some of these interrogators are smart as hell and can break them in the nicest ways possible. Kudos to the ones who are professional and actually take the situation into account.
(15:07) "I got caught. I always get caught."
That right there is foreshadowing to the highest degree I've ever seen.
the detectives reaction after he said that😭😭
I think he said that to try to make it seem like he's terrible at lying or keeping things from people, that's how I read that. But if it wasn't intentional, 💀💀💀
I listen to this channel all the time and I never thought I would be connected to a case. Thayne lived about a mile from us and we became yvery close my junior year and his freshman year. He dropped out during his senior year and moved in with me to get his life back on track. He stayed for a few months and left, and we rarely spoke for a 1 1/2 years.
We all knew that he had suffered terrible abuse a child including, physical, and sexual, and this greatly affected his mental health. I am certainly not making any excuses for his inexcusable conduct! Our whole state was in shock by the brutality of this crime and I am still in shock that I knew the perpetrator so well. I have now been a Police Officer for 11 years and even with all my experiences in Law Enforcement. I cant wrap my head around it. Especially why he killed a child.
Thank you for your service 🙏 💙 I can't imagine what it must be like for everyone who knew him. Absolutely shocking and disturbing case.
They state in the video that none of the child abuse allegations were ever confirmed to be true.
@@SB-se7vb they weren't confirmed to be false either.
@@SB-se7vb but you can't prove it doesn't exist
I knew him personally, as stated above. Also, proven in criminal court and or substantiated by DHHS, and the abuse actually having occurred are two different things. Again this isn't a defense of his actions.
This detective is absolutely amazing!!! So sharp, and professional, getting him into corner by cathing him lying over and over again. Wow!
That detective has a mind like a steel trap. Man, I wish I was half that smart XD
I've watched this half a dozen times and I am just always impressed with how skilled this interrogator is. At every pivotal point he completely changes his demeanor to appeal to the current state the suspect is going through. He's slowly closing exits to get a confession while guiding the suspect through empathy rather than intimidation.
@THATvsmBRO yeah just a casual 7 hours lmao
@@dagfinnknutsen7290 lol 😂
Wtf who watches anything on RUclips more than once 🤣 let alone a crime doco
@@efykoner maybe they're studying criminal investigation/psychology? Considering that's what their whole comment is about.
@@efykoner I watch a lot of things on RUclips more than once....is that really a weird thing to do? Why? Some of these videos are dense, some are super interesting, some are super funny, others are clips from TV shows or movies or particularly popular scenes from famous titles. Some are uplifting but sad like a lot of spoken word poetry. There's a lot of documentaries, true crime stuff like this channel, in depth analyses of your favorite IP, and even full episodes of British panel shows like Would I Lie To You? or Taskmaster. Haven't even touched on all the advice, X tips for doing Y, and tutorials on everything from 3D modeling in Maya or 3DS Max to recording and editing audio in Pro Tools, guitar tutorials, basic housework tutorials....tutorials on pretty much everything thats reasonably common and many things that aren't.
I'd argue that the weirder thing is never watching any RUclips video more than once. People rewatch shows and movies all the time, relisten to songs again and again. How is this different?
I like the way the detective downplays the seriousness of the situation by calling it an accident. He’s very good at his job. It’s very appropriate the way he’s backed into the corner.
First timer? Watch literally any other interrogation on any channel. The detective always plays the 'accident' card.
@@PULAG usually yeah, but this guys a cut above most detectives, a pro among pros. he downplays the seriousness of the situation so naturally you almost wanna believe everything’s fine. not a wasted breath from the man either, every question had a purpose. true class
I like that the door is left slightly ajar too and not fully closed
@@Oh-fr2nv why did he kill Jeff? Or confess to the crime right after the break?
I hate drug dealers "can you get me a joint and a cigarette"
This narrator is the best on utube by far!!
I love ur channel ❤️
I love how this channel gets as much info with respect to the victims ❤️
It's AI
What's scariest about this guy is he seems like a perfectly nice guy. If I had no context going in, no way I would think he's a murderer
Exactly! There are so many wolves in sheep's clothing. This world is scary.
Really? He screams narcissist to me and has that strange way about him where he seems "goal-oriented" about everything he says.
@@cindytartt4048 OMG yes! It's a very peculiar phenomenon! Why in the hell do women, and I'm sure some men do it too, feel attracted to people who are clearly unfit to live among normal society? I watched a show once about women who marry lifers in prison! I don't get it. Why would you want to live such a lonely existence? People are weird, clearly lol
@@droughdough His choice of words definitely conveyed his narcissism. He's clearly very full of himself, but if I didn't know he was a murderer, I would just think he's an asshole lol Him quoting R.L.Token was cringe worthy. The light conversation in the beginning though, before the real questioning takes place, didn't jump out as someone I feel I should fear, only someone I would want to avoid, and that's because I just don't care for his personality. That's what I should have said in my original comment!
Funny enough he sounds like American Psycho's main character to me. But yeah, in a short conversation it would be hard to tell. People are saying it's easy to see he's a narcissist, but narcissists don't all murder people lol. It's a mental disorder not a determination if they are nice or not. In fact, narcissists can be incredibly nice, especially to strangers or people they want to look up to them.
This guy is scary. I'm glad they caught him so quickly. Also, that detective is incredibly pro.
His attention to detail was superb really stumbled the dude up well. Don't underestimate these murder cops it ain't their first go down. No matter what I don't care how it looks get a lawyer. It doesn't matter how innocent you are get a lawyer s*** happens.. if they want to pin something on you they're going to fit the narrative on you... Believe that!!!
It's a dirty game you better be ready to play ball and that involves getting a lawyer. Don't say a word I don't care how innocent or guilty you are get a lawyer it's that simple
This guy is a psycho. Complete monster!
@@jameserath4192 I get the impression he wanted to get caught. Part of him is craving the attention. It's why he drug out the court proceedings for as long as he did and it's why he appealed as much as he did.
Yeah he wasn't buying his confidence. That detective was just waiting for the right opportunity. He made sure he said conflicting info.
Damn man, you make good and addictive videos. Please don’t stop
"Thayne, Buddy, I want you to know I'm gonna be here for you as much as I can be." This is like Jeopardy. I'll take biggest lies cops tell for $1,000 Alex, lol.
The murder of that child is incomprehensible. Rest peacefully all x
They are all incomprehensible
@@Silenced23get a personality outside of drugs you aren't quirky
@@Silenced23 what's your prob?
Good detectives/investigators such as these really make the average ones look like clowns. Especially when the average ones literally say stuff like “we’ve got stuff so why don’t you just say it was you already” 😭
Lmfao they dangle it over your head like it's a fish hook
Why american police have guns in the interrogation room? They should not have guns becouse a desperate psychopath murderer has nothing to lose... when he realiezes that they got 100% evidence against him and he will never be free again and propably get death sentnce. He could obtain their pistols and shoot them.
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Asking him what he thinks should happen to the killer is such a nice touch. You’re spot on with your comment. These guys are pros above most of the rest.
Also helps when the suspect is an idiot. Makes the smart detectives look like geniuses by comparison
This interrogation was top notch. Bravo
Well…I recently stumbled on this channel and began listening while working but, that’s not going to work for me anymore because too many times while passively listening I hear something and I’m like WHAT?! Then have to rewind and I sit here with my jaw on the ground. You cannot passively listen to these. I have to WATCH too. So after work I come and Listen AND WATCH! I love this channel!
It's crazy you can walk into a room as a suspicious person and through your own stupidity you will never walk out .
Anyone that will start talkin wont get out no matter how smart u are.
Not stupid if your gulity
This case was particularly chilling. At the start of the interview he seems like a normal well spoken kid who thinks a little bit highly of himself, but as the interview goes on and the layers peel away you see him transform into someone entirely different. We've all known a psychopath or met a psychopath in our lives, but a large percentage of them can easily pass themselves off as normal with out us even knowing.
Psychopathy is probably the most misunderstood pathology in the modern mindset. Think of any 100 random people that you know. Statistically speaking, one or two of them ARE psychopaths. That ratio is a good deal higher if you hang out with CEO's, politicians, and public figures. Worldwide, psychopathy occurs in about 2% of any given population (and somewhat more if you live in the USA). The VAST majority are not given to violence or aggression. It's a fascinating condition in that, as far as we know, psychopaths are BORN, not MADE, suggesting that there might be some evolutionary benefit to their existence. Considering how many are in leadership positions, it bears a lot more study. Unfortunately, the only ones who get studied are those relatively few who HAVE committed crimes, so the general attitude toward psychopaths is inextricably linked to murder.
The only true motive he gave was when he said "I did it to test myself." He always wanted to kill someone, ever since he was a child.
They aren't all evil anyway. It's not their fault they can't feel like "normal" people so I feel like a "disguise" isn't always meant to be deceitful. You gotta make it work somehow.
@@90sHONEY the ones that go around and kill a entire family or anyone at all is evil.
@@90sHONEYit's not their fault yeah ok. When you're old enough to know shit it's easy to learn how to be something. And normal? What is normal? Cause no one on the planet is normal hahah.
these 2 detectives wow , masterclass interrogation !
My guess is that you can be a great detective but still not be the best interrogator, that is a special skill.
The detective had his information down pat because he had been living and breathing the case. I imagine it was unimaginably hard for him to give this psychopath an inch of recognition, and yet he did. Then, at the end, you could just see it and hear it in him: "May God have mercy on your soul." Boom.
I have heard that they say that to prisoners just before execution. Like you say Boom. The trap door opens. Justice is served. Ominous.
“May God have mercy on your soul.” = terror. Humans don’t choose the moment a human life begins, and humans are not supposed to end another life, not even our own. It’s a serious violation most of us can sense.
at 1:08:22 its amazing to see how much the detective's demeanor changes. He has been Thayne's "buddy" throughout the whole interrogation. Now he's like "You're under arrest. No, you're not having more coffee. Get fucked." Just shows how great his talent was that he could hide his disgust with this guy for so long.
Seems like it would be easy. Its not like he has to kiss him, and they already know he did it. Im not seeing the amazingness.
@@ceasarsaran8573 You think it would be easy to be friendly towards someone you knew murdered a child? To convince them you are their friend?
The "May God have mercy on your soul" shook Thayne.
@@ceasarsaran8573 You know that the other guy has likely butchered three people, including a child, and is just sitting there smirking. As the interrogation goes on, you know more and more that he did it. You know he's likely thinking how smart he is and how he got away with it. You have to do nothing to let that façade slip before he gives up vital information. The slightest slip up and he leaves and/or lawyers up and the prosecution becomes exponentially more difficult.
Yeah, pretty challenging job.
Yes when he touched Thayne’s shoulder he must have wanted to throw up.
He thinks that he's Tom Cruise
The more I watch these videos, the more I realize that every single thing I do may point towards some sign of deception. I can’t cover my mouth, genitals, cross my arms or twiddle my thumbs. I’m guilty.
Lmao it’s only when it doesn’t fit the context tht it shows deception. Meaning if it’s something u regularly do they won’t take it as deception lmao. That’s what a baseline is for lol
this detective is amazing. his eyes are on the prize the whole time (incrimination) and doesn't let any emotions get in the way or impatience/frustration. he builds a rapport with this dude, learns him and rolls with that.
He initially seems like a nice, personable young man. It’s shocking how such “ordinary” people can commit such horrific crimes, apparently for no reason at all.
That is why we carry a gun on person even at home. And when a new person is at the house, you stay on guard even more.
@@walden6272 What a sad way to live. Nobody has guns where I live, and murder is rare.
@@walden6272 Just make sure you don't end up on one of these youtube videos.
@@petitehippie7064 We love guns over here. Think of guns like your smartphone. Is it sad to have your smartphone on you at all times? No you enjoy having it right? :)
@@walden6272 A smartphone doesn't kill innocent people. You can't compare them.