You put allot of work into this demonstration. I burned my lip chipping slag tonight so it gave me reason to drink a cold beer and watch your video. All the best in 2017.
Hi Bob, This video was lots of work and details, but, interesting as it shows that heat and amperage are the only things that can make it into a big chunk of steel. In a shop lots of things can initiate a dance or the urge for a good medication like a cool beer, slag, BBs, sliver, big blue chip, etc... ;) Thanks for comment and have a great New Year, Pierre
I like to run 5/32 6011's with the amps cranked to where the cellulose is turning brown and almost flaming and then I can nearly push the rod thru .3/8 plate. I don't advise that for out of position welding though!! lol
Hi Brian, How hot do you set the amps...??? 185 amps? This is where the slag slides soooo easy into your sleeves or anywhere through your clothing if you're not wearing thick leather..... Ouch!!!! Cheers, Pierre
Probably about 200amp DC, no sticky rods that way you just bury it in there! Not for overhead or vertical work like that though or you will be wearing more steel than you are welding. :-0
A metal working shop is a place to cover well, slag, BIG bouncing BBs, BIG burning blue chips in the collar, there is always some reason for a short dance break... lol
Hello Lee, I would have liked to have on hand a little 110/220 low powered welder to make a direct comparison, unfortunatly the little one once owned for on site jobs is long gone... Cheers, PIerre
Hi Randy, This is in my opinion a great way to find out how deep the weld goes, cause I very often see people welding and I know some of those welds aren't very solid... Welding is a trade and needs some basic knowledge and training to succeed... Still on break cause of the weather....??? Cheers, Pierre
You are giving Jody some competition. All this stuff is always great to see from anyone just to compare results. You have steadier hands than me Pierre! You went to a lot of trouble making this video - thank you. Wish I had better welding gear. As you say a FOS of 5 is a minimum - more when people involved.
Hi Chris, I'm no valid competitor for Jody... lol I don't weld often enough by now. Problem is more the eyesight than the steady hand, I'm getting excellent at sharpening tungsten electrodes for Tig welding... lol Cheers, Pierre
Great video, and I appreciate your comments about getting someone to check or evaluate your welds. That is now my problem. I have been trying to teach myself to weld for several weeks and I make a good looking weld but do not really know how strong it is. I have signed up for several welding classes but they always cancel for low enrollment. I have tried to get some local welders to look at my work but they don't seem to have time. They are busy trying to make a living. I might add, that I am retired and just wanting to learn a new skill and maybe make a few things around the house. However, I want my welds to be good.
Great video Pierre! For a small or a beginner workshop its more logical to use a great MMA inversor (inexpensive compared to a good 300A mig machine) than a mig for doing jobs that require good penetration and trustability. Let those chinese mig's for make doors and windows. Thank you for sharing.
I run .045" every day at work. I like to set up for spary arc on that when i can. It really burns in great. At home i have had great luck with any welds up to 1/4" thick material with my 180amp hobart. It runs .030 to .035 wire most of the time. Great vid to show that proper mig setups can perform with or out perform stick setups.
Hi Todd, Mig can dig pretty deep with big wires, but, to run those big things you need LOTS of amps, compared to the 90 to 150 amps for major 1/8" SMAW rods, with twice the amps no wonder it digs in, nice feeling of power when you run a bead over 275 amps in thick plate, need good gloves or deflectors, though... ;) Or get 80%+ Argon mix, over 24 volts and go axial spray welding, just a faint hisss and tons of heat plus a super smooth bead no spatter. Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
Based on this is the common assumption that if limited to 120 volts, stick penetrates more amp per amp than MIG? Also is this correct that if you push enough amps through MiG it will penetrate more than stick that is limited to the max amps it can take?learning and this video is great with data.
The talking heads on television go straight from talking drought to talking flood, and back again. The middle ground does not get reported, doesn't help their ratings... The levees here in Sacramento have water pretty close to the tops, about level with the rooftop of my house if any let go...
Hi Bob, Wonder how the central portion all around Fresno or so is doing, since when we drove by last summer it was DRY with half the fields turned to desert. There they need water for many years to come...
Most of California is by nature is a semi desert, it is only with the water projects that store and save mountain rain and snow melt that it has become lush through irrigation. When the snow pack does not come, which is increasingly the case, the reservoirs tend to run dry early in the year. The reservoirs are also used for flood control, so much of the mountain heavy rains must be let out for protection downstream. Even now, the snow levels have been relatively high, which gives lots of water when we do not need it, and not enough when we do. Ground water is also being overused in unsustainable ways.
I've seen some places where the ground level is actually many feet lower than before cause of the extensive pumping from underground water, sure hope things get better to recover from the that specially dry spell...
Interesting how deep the 6010 got with only 100a and mig needed nearly 3x as much current to do better. I wonder how deep a large 6010 at 250-300a would do.
I've never tried with rods bigger than 5/32", it would require at least 1/4" rods, my favorite rod is the 7018, just a little inconvenient on the restarts, though, it produces nice clean beads with easy slag removal...
@@pierresgarage2687 I share your love of 7018 (except restarts). I just love the fast freeze and deep penetration of 6010, plus it seems a bit more challenging to use, which is both frustrating and rewarding.
Nice job Pierre. I especially like the fact you eliminate the BS by actually cutting and etching your welds. No longer just an opinion, we have proof. As far as lifting devices are concerned though, 3:1 is adequate for regular lifting (not people) (ASME BTH-1 2014 or whatever is the latest, if anyone in north america was wondering what document to get).
Hi Barry, There are lots of myths about welding, lots of battle on what is best, like you said, there are only a couple of ways to really measure the results... Good knowledge and training are also key to understand what is going on and how to control the weld.... About the ASME, I'll give it a look, but just before I do is it only 3 times for lifting weight passing over people's heads...? Cheers, Pierre
Pierre's Garage Actually there are two categories. Category A lifting devices are only 2:1 load factor, but they are for special lifting devices where there is a very well known weight you are lifting, like for handling things in a factory where the product weight doesn't vary. Category B lifting devices are for general use and have a 3:1 load factor. Both can be used for overhead lifting, though it is very poor practice to lift anything over top of people if you can avoid it. I you have a spreader being used in a production environment where it will be subjected to high cycle rate, the spreaders must be analyzed for fatigue. This is the load factor for the lifting device. This does not apply to the wire rope or chain or synthetics used for slings. They have their own factors (5:1, 4:1 and 5:1 typically) I do go to 3:1 on the rigging for particularly heavy "one off" lifts though as the high factors on wire rope are to account for abuse and broken wires when used many times. You are not going to be jerking and shock loading a 200 ton lift.
Ok, I get the principle about the wearable chains and slings... Oh, no...!!! I'd be worried at jerking or shaking even less than 200T. Since something like a trailer or anything that goes on the road is gonna be rattled a little more than a fixed installation, is there a different set of rules about it?
Small cranes and hoists usually do not possess the finesse of a larger crane. Hiabs and electric hoists can be very abrupt in starting and stopping movement leading to high impact loading. Large cranes also usually have the more skilled operators and thus are better run. Trailers would surprise and frighten you how poorly many of them are designed. Getting to a load factor of 2 is a stretch many times. They really try not to over design them as every extra pound on the trailer is one less pound of cargo. They don't get paid to haul around the trailer, only the cargo on/in it. As far as I can tell there is no definite standard when it comes to the structural rating of trailers. I have designed a few for special extra heavy haul applications and reviewed some structural failures and accidents. I have not found any governing document that specifies load factors etc. (not saying it doesn't exist, but I have not found it.) Too many of the documents covering things like this are full of words but not much content.
Very nice demo. I would love to see the results with a low end MIG machine for contrast. I tell my students that, in the real world, you are your own first inspector, so you need to be your harshest. If you aren't, you will fail UT, X-ray, or cutout for mechanical tests. The way to learn this is have an instructor that can watch what you can't while welding and can help you fix the issues you can't see. The other thing I do with students is basic inspection-- dye penetrant, bend test, and basic etch.
Hi John, Great approach making the students critical about their own work... I used to own one of those Lincoln MigPak-180, a decent little portable machine for lighter material. You could set the parameters of a bigger machine to replicate the current and wire speed of a small machine, my guess is set the max output volts to at most 18 to 19 volts and their wire speed is about 500 imp. This is for a 220 volts welder...!!! If I get a moment I could try to approximate a smaller welder, no promise though. Thanks for viewing and best of luck with your students, Pierre
Pierre Awesome Video. Perfect examples of prepping and none prepping. Could not be explained any better very good. And you did not shack to much with the stick LOL Cheers Fred
Always Informative. Thanks for the comparison view. I welded or should I say SMAW my boat trailer together 24 years ago with a proper ARC welder. Compared to my little 120/240 machine, that i have now, you could almost feel that it was melting in more. My current machine struggles.
Hi, when you use a decent welding machine it always "Sounds" better, and just like a big diesel engine you can feel the massive power behind the pedal... ;) Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
Good advice for sure, now I know I'm not supposed to weld the stick to the job and then wrestle it off with a twang ! Happy New Year and all the best , Mat
Hello Mat, For me having to wrestle the sticks probably means adjusting the current and/or practice on a piece of scrap to get my act together... lol Thanks for viewing and Best wishes for the New Year to you and family, Pierre
For sure - 110 Amp 240v buzz box and 1/4 dia sticks 'given to me to 'have a go' .... it didn't take me long to reach the conclusion that either stick / box or me was not doing it right ! Slowly learning though. I think Im a long way of investing in new welding facility though. All the best Mat
That reminds me of when I did a welding course ,we had to do a horizontal but, vertical corner and a horizontal corner weld under the eagle eye of the inspector , we had to stop when called and restart the weld then they were cut up and etched, I passed and got my certificate , long now expired Great instructive videos as is your norm
Hi Stuart, Those days of welding school, a while ago.... I'm not welding as much lately, this is a fun time to get at it and do a little practice with some controling how good the joint actually is.... Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
My dad has owned a welding shop for the last 40 years, and all the thing you have said is the same things he has told me all my life. To tell you something that we thank is funny. I have had a lot good metal worker say to me (can I get you to do some welding for me? You must be good your dad is) and no im not a good welder I do machine work.
Hi Scotty, Funny how people think, there is a difference between hearing the instructions and actually making a perfect weld... lol For many years now I'm machining about 95% of the time... Better for my lungs... ;) Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
Hi Darren, Making welds in plates or solid stock without prep or at least a gap is kinda useless, mostly if you need to flatten the caterpillars... ;) Cheers, Pierre
Hi William, The chamfer was .180" +/- maybe .010" so the penetration may refer a little bit somewhere else, but, we can certainly say that in that filet the penetration was minimal... Not much more than a few thousand... Thanks for your input and for comment, Pierre
I might add that welding is something that you can fall out of practice with. If you haven't welded for a long time, and something you need to weld is critical, it would pay to burn a few extra rods/feet on some scrap and practice. My biggest problem, when I haven't welded for a while, seems to be the jitters. It's nice to see people on other videos using blocks, etc. to steady themselves. I'm not the only one! All of my welding, with the exception of a few done with gas, has been with a stick welder. I wouldn't know where to start with a mig. I first heard of them in '78 ... very high priced then, and you had to have 3 phase to run them. We put them in that "nice to have item we will never be able to afford" category and didn't give them much thought after that.
Getting back on the saddle comes back fairly quickly, by now my biggest problem is my eyes aren't as sharp as they used to be, mostly with Tig where I find very difficult to see well the puddle, no need to say I've become very good at sharpening Tungsten electrodes... lol Up until about 7 years ago I used to weld pretty much everyday... Now it's 95% machining... Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
Yeah, I've had to relent and start using "old man" tricks to see things. Like lifting my glasses and holding things close to see fine lines or print. Or using my thumbs to cover all except the mark I'm on to the mark I want to be at on the lathe dials. It's the same with the hearing as well. Cupping a hand, to help mute ambient noise from what I'm trying to hear, telling people to turn and face me if they want to be understood. They told me, about 15 years ago, that I would be a candidate for hearing aids ... in about ten years. I'm long overdue for following up on that.
Guys, there IS a zoom knob on your welding helmet! It's called the cheater lens! I tig weld for a living and use a 3.0 diopter in conjunction with a Gold 10 shade for everyday use (12 shade if I'm doing dual shield or anything above 120a). My dedicated TIG hood that I use professionally to weld everything from aerospace to automotive parts is a 40+ year old Fibre Metal that I bought at a flea market for $2! Most autodarkening helmets can be fitted with a cheater lens as well but I cannot even imagine welding without one (a cheater). My suggestion is to get a glass lens instead of a plastic one. Cheaters have actually gotten very inexpensive compared to years ago when a decent cheater was $40. These days you can get a decent one for $10 or $15 but it's like adding a zoom to your welding
@@pierresgarage2687 Encore d'accord... mais tu prêches à un converti! ;) Je vais m'abonner à ta chaîne. Je trip sur la soudure (et non pas sur l'état d'être saoul dure); la majorité des chaînes sont américaines; d'en voir au moins une qui origine du Québec, c'est plaisant... Es-tu enseignant, par hasard?
@@rbelang8331 Au sujet de la politique, je vais me laisser aller à dire que depuis un bon moment le climat est devenu extrêmement toxique dans un certain pays et que ça se répand rapidement…. Inquiétant…!!! La chaine ne contient pas beaucoup de vidéos sur la soudure bien que j’ai principalement été soudeur avant d’être aussi machiniste, j'ai commencé à souder de plus en amateur avant d'entreprendre une formation académique, cependant je trouve que les deux professions se complètent très bien. D’où ma motivation de compléter un DEP en usinage après un DSP en soudure. J’ai même demandé la permission à l’instructeur en soudure pour aller assister à l’événement portes ouvertes du module d’usinage pour finalement m’y inscrire…. Aucuns regrets…!!! Je n’ai pas enseigné ni la soudure ni l’usinage, j’ai fait un peu de coaching tout au plus. Malheureusement depuis à peu près 2 ans, j’ai pris une pause pour la production de vidéos, pour des raisons personnelles et aussi à cause de la COVID, mes ambitions sont de m’y remettre à court terme, par contre je n’ai pas de date fixe pour m’y remettre…. Tout ce processus demande beaucoup d’énergie, et de motivation, à moins d’avoir une super chaine c’est un investissement énorme en temps et en ressources, En passant, juste par curiosité, de quelle région êtes-vous?
@@rbelang8331 J'imagine que présentement les pratiques normales d'enseignement sont pas mal chamboulées, à quel niveau d'enseignement, et, est-ce que la soudure est pour des formes créatives?
I was welding today. I realize I am not a welder!! I wasn't doing anything big or structural, but someday I would love to take a class. Great info and someday I'd like to weld with confidence.......
Hi jster, You got to start somewhere and persist until you get what you want... ;) By learning what a good weld is you'll do what's needed to achieve a sound weld, one of the advantage to have a professional welder or a teacher around is that they can point out very quickly what you need to change, learn and practice. To my knowledge practice is the best way to learn and keep the skills, I notice that when I'm not welding for a while it taked some time to get back the hang of it... Cheers, Pierre
Hi John, This means that with the proper technique you should be able to weld 1/8" in on pass and have full penetration... To achieve this you will consider making a little prep in two steps, one it helps to taper the sides a little, second you'll need to leave a gap along the seem, fir 1/8" thick a 1/8" gap is about right, VREY IMPORTANT to keep the wire or rod on the front of the puddle AND centered. You'll know if you got full penetration when you look at the back side of the weld and see that the weld is bulging a little, even better test you fold a sample of this joint ( about 1" wide ) and check for cracking in the the joint... And like you mention, thicker pieces will require multi passes, in a 60 degree V groove, or a 45 deg, is also ok but requires more filling material... And, be aware that practice makes better. Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
...The good, the bad, and the ugly....! Most excellent video, but I'm vary hard of hearing, and even with the closed captions...I couldn't tell what the 'etching' solution was...? An acid yes, but what kind...? I have used nitric acid, but it's now hard to obtain...here in California, USA.... .030/180 Amps......045/275.....yes! Running about the top of the range there.....are you doing any spray-arc with tri-mix gasses here...? That is the realm of these...... I've also been welding since 1981....only the best machines can meet these tests....I bought a new Miller-Matic 200 in 1981....still running great, just clean out with comp-air a few times......I had a welding shop for a while1981-1985....probably ran 400+ rolls (33#) of wire through the Miller....built a lot of woodburning stove/heaters....used maybe 2 rolls of wire a week.....
Hi Doug, The Etching solution is Stainless Passivating compound, it's real fast on steel, be careful not to get any close from glass as it contains Hydrofluoric acid that attacks glass viciously... I've heard from some other people that they use Naval Gelly with good results but it will react much slower, probably easier for you to get your hands on and easier to store. Normally spray arc easier to initiate when using a mix with over 80% argon in the mix, it's possible to get it with 75/25 or tri-mix but more difficult to initiate... When I had to do it I got a 85/15 mix and it went real good... If you get a good machine it will last forever, I got this 350MP from Lincoln and finally use it in it's most native mode since it fights me in the advanced fancy settings... lol And I'll try to pay attention at making the sound as intelligible as possible in the future in order to help people to understand what's going on, not always easy but I'll work on it... Thanks for taking time to share in this comment, Pierre
...MIG...and Spray-arc....I was using a mix from Airgas...'Stargon'....and a tri-mix from another welding supplier...90%Argon, 8% C02, 2% Oxygen.... 75/25 just didn't have enough argon to give nice repeatable results....
I just bought my first welder, a stick welder from Princess Auto and I'm excited to get going. I only intend to use it for ornamental garden pieces and light duty.
Hey... There is nothing like a new chalenge with a new tool for a guy, I just feel the same exitement when undergoing something new and chalenging. The best suggestions are to look what and how others do it, then, start practicing on scrap pieces (Brand new steel gets to be expensive...) find out how you performed, try to get someone that is a welder or a teacher to evaluate your performance, and, even better, watch you during welding and correct what needs to be done... Just practice and enjoy your new tool and projects... Thanks for watching and for comment, Pierre
Tree veeks ago I couldn't SPELL velder! Seriously though, like Pierre says, lifting and safety equipment, failure is not an option and this is an attitude that carries into anything you weld. Stay healthy my friends!
The testing is fantastic, top quality. However I think your welding skill may effect the results. Ideally you’d have dozens of welders do the same test, but that’s not practical. Your stick welds looked like they had too high of travel speed (due to the dual sided undercut), and that produces a colder weld with less penitrarion.
In the later years, I have to say that I'm missing welding practice, and it shows... !!! Sorry about that part. Here the main topic was the results of penetration and the testing procedure, glad you got the point and went easy on my welding... Thanks for viewing and for your comment, Pierre
I agree - I see to many people get a mig welder and in an hour they think they are a welder.Even many who stick weld have no idea what there really doing.Everyone looks at me like I am from another planet when I tell them I do not weld.I am capable of many things but that art I did not acquire; yet.
Hi jake, Just like I mentioned in the video, I REALLY got an idea of what I was doing after I went to welding school, agree with you that it's hard to make someone understand if they haven't been thru the whole process and proven otherwise... In my case I find that by not welding as often as before, it takes a while before it comes back, but, with age, Tig is getting more difficult, mostly cause of vision degradation... Thanks for your input and for comment, Pierre
Mig failed on sepersting on level or base and parent metal . Off this subject all are good so is gas welding. Almost obsolete. . But hey witb out electricity and only two gas to weld one eill fail cause it easnt taught
Re-allo, Si tu connais Acier Ménard, C'est possiblement que tu sois de la région de Granby.... Je ne trompe peut_être...??? Merci pour l'abonnement, j'espère que ce soit autant pour les meilleures vidéos que les pires... LOL En passant, de quelle région es-tu et est-ce que tu travailles dans le domaine du machinage ou de la fabrication? Pierre
J'ai commander quelques fois de chez Menard mais je suis de la region de st-jerome, et oui je travail dans le domaine du machinage/fabrication/soudage et assemblage. Je programme CNC jusqu'a 5axes, fais des jigs de soudure pour la shop et developpe des outils pour l'amelioration continue de la shop en plus de faire les procedure de soudage pour le multi passe penetration profonde. Je suis dans le domaine des remonter mecaniques :)
Tu as l'air d'avoir un travail varié et intéressant... La combinaison des métiers liés au travail du métal demande pas mal de connaissances générales et de versatilité, le meilleur de tous ces mondes... J'ai eu une formation de base en CNC mais comme je n'ai pas poussé et que le travail de dessin et programmation sur l'ordianteur ne m'enchante pas tellement, bien, pas de CNC pour moi... lol Depuis le temps qu'on connait Mario chez acier Ménard on réussi à bien s'en tirer pour le matériel. Les activitées professionnelles ont à peu près cessées depuis que je suis retraité. Je suis d'Otterburn Park près de Mont Saint Hilaire de l'autre rive.
correcte ca, j'ai un grand respect pour les personnes qui opèrent des conventionnelles, j'ai pas cette patience... En passant je suis super jaloux de ta 350mp .
You do realize that most people can’t afford a 350 amp machine that’s three phase! So we do the best we can yes I only run on 220 volts welders no 110 machine that being said 110 excellent for thin material 16 ga or less!
Those run on single phase power since they're made to adapt ot just about any power sourcr up to 600 volts 3 phases. The main goal of this video was to demonstrate the huge amount of power required to get some penetration without a decent prep, I've seen soooo many videos where some folks make a project using 10 or 12 mm ( 3/8 or 1/2 inch) thick material, wleding on the surface with a weave, no prep, even grinding the surface flat in order to get a nice surface.... After seeing this video, you must have an idea of how solid are their contraptions, I wouldn't stand any of those....!!!! On a more constructive note, it's possible by using lower powered and more affordable welding machines to make proper assemblies, the key to this is to make proper preps and using the most of what's available from the machine. To make sound welds requires some basic knowledge of how penetration works and minimal experience in handling a welding torch, gun or anything that deposites molten metal... In the end the better you adapt the machine to the type of work involved the better results are to be expected, ie. a 120 volts machine is great for auto pannel works, as a more powerful model is better for heavy duty trailer making.... 😉👍 P.S. looking for a good used machine is a great way to save a bundle and upgrade to a "Better" machine. 🙂
You would be surprised to learn how many "Home Made" trailers you followed on the road, and so many other things amateurs made... Those wanabe wlederd look at a weld and say "Geeezzzz it looks good, then I'm sooo much of a "Semi-Pro" welder... 😱😉🥵 Jus like any craft welding has to be teached and coached by experienced real pros, somethig most amateurs don't and won't easily get... Sadly...!!!
I've seen welds on things built for other people that were so BAD I wouldn't even weld for myself let someone else if I couldn't weld any better than they could!!! A guy gave me a wood rack he had made, decided he wasn't going to use it anymore. Before I loaded it, I picked it up and slammed the corner of it on the ground, all but about two pieces broke apart which I picked up and smacked them on the ground again and broke them. You should have seen the look on his face! Asked me how I knew I could do that? I could tell by looking the welds were CRAPPY. No penetration to speak of at all. LMAO Some people never learn, others, it kind of seems to come naturally. I taught my wife to weld on my Pipeliner and she was laying down GOOD welds in less than fifteen minutes. Believe it or not! She didn't like it though because of all the sparks LOL.Dumb me gave her 6010 ,I should have started her with something a little milder.
@@fredshipp3809 Zinc will make a very porous weld if it doesn't make you sick breathing the fumes first... 🤢🤢😱😉👍 If you want to discourage anyone from touching your machine or any other machine, get them to weld overhead or even vertical uphill..... Oh! Be stingy on their protective gear... I know, it's really sadistic, maybe at least spare your wife...
Hello Keld, Ouuups...!!! You were listening... :| Don't worry you already got me to clean the damned table... lol As long as we don't fight using more than a handkerchief, I'll keep on playing with you... ;) Thanks for being around and for your support, Pierre
You put allot of work into this demonstration. I burned my lip chipping slag tonight so it gave me reason to drink a cold beer and watch your video. All the best in 2017.
Hi Bob,
This video was lots of work and details, but, interesting as it shows that heat and amperage are the only things that can make it into a big chunk of steel.
In a shop lots of things can initiate a dance or the urge for a good medication like a cool beer, slag, BBs, sliver, big blue chip, etc... ;)
Thanks for comment and have a great New Year, Pierre
I like to run 5/32 6011's with the amps cranked to where the cellulose is turning brown and almost flaming and then I can nearly push the rod thru .3/8 plate. I don't advise that for out of position welding though!! lol
Hi Brian,
How hot do you set the amps...??? 185 amps?
This is where the slag slides soooo easy into your sleeves or anywhere through your clothing if you're not wearing thick leather..... Ouch!!!!
Cheers, Pierre
Probably about 200amp DC, no sticky rods that way you just bury it in there! Not for overhead or vertical work like that though or you will be wearing more steel than you are welding. :-0
Normally those rods are in the 150 amps max range, 200 is torching hot... The new Ironman Challenge... ;)
(hand up) Guilty! I've done my fair share of the slag-in-my-pants-dance! That is also great motivation to make sure your fly is fully zipped...
A metal working shop is a place to cover well, slag, BIG bouncing BBs, BIG burning blue chips in the collar, there is always some reason for a short dance break... lol
Interesting on the .045 wire penetration was very good !
Imagine the amount of power in order to get even a little deeper....
Very interesting - thanks for taking the time to put this together.
Hello Lee,
I would have liked to have on hand a little 110/220 low powered welder to make a direct comparison, unfortunatly the little one once owned for on site jobs is long gone...
Cheers, PIerre
Good job and demo. The etch and cutaway worked out well.
Hi Randy,
This is in my opinion a great way to find out how deep the weld goes, cause I very often see people welding and I know some of those welds aren't very solid...
Welding is a trade and needs some basic knowledge and training to succeed...
Still on break cause of the weather....???
Cheers, Pierre
You are giving Jody some competition. All this stuff is always great to see from anyone just to compare results.
You have steadier hands than me Pierre!
You went to a lot of trouble making this video - thank you. Wish I had better welding gear. As you say a FOS of 5 is a minimum - more when people involved.
Hi Chris,
I'm no valid competitor for Jody... lol I don't weld often enough by now.
Problem is more the eyesight than the steady hand, I'm getting excellent at sharpening tungsten electrodes for Tig welding... lol
Cheers, Pierre
Great video, and I appreciate your comments about getting someone to check or evaluate your welds. That is now my problem. I have been trying to teach myself to weld for several weeks and I make a good looking weld but do not really know how strong it is. I have signed up for several welding classes but they always cancel for low enrollment. I have tried to get some local welders to look at my work but they don't seem to have time. They are busy trying to make a living. I might add, that I am retired and just wanting to learn a new skill and maybe make a few things around the house. However, I want my welds to be good.
Hi, where are you located? Maybe I could try to help, just send me a mail and I'll see what could be done...
Pierre Email: wledpierre@gmail.com
Great video Pierre! For a small or a beginner workshop its more logical to use a great MMA inversor (inexpensive compared to a good 300A mig machine) than a mig for doing jobs that require good penetration and trustability. Let those chinese mig's for make doors and windows. Thank you for sharing.
I agree with you, a good MMA welder is a solid choice for a hobby workshop. Thanks for watching!
I run .045" every day at work. I like to set up for spary arc on that when i can. It really burns in great.
At home i have had great luck with any welds up to 1/4" thick material with my 180amp hobart. It runs .030 to .035 wire most of the time.
Great vid to show that proper mig setups can perform with or out perform stick setups.
Hi Todd,
Mig can dig pretty deep with big wires, but, to run those big things you need LOTS of amps, compared to the 90 to 150 amps for major 1/8" SMAW rods, with twice the amps no wonder it digs in, nice feeling of power when you run a bead over 275 amps in thick plate, need good gloves or deflectors, though... ;)
Or get 80%+ Argon mix, over 24 volts and go axial spray welding, just a faint hisss and tons of heat plus a super smooth bead no spatter.
Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
Based on this is the common assumption that if limited to 120 volts, stick penetrates more amp per amp than MIG?
Also is this correct that if you push enough amps through MiG it will penetrate more than stick that is limited to the max amps it can take?learning and this video is great with data.
Very good demonstration and discussion
Hi Chuck,
Thanks for visiting, how are you doing near SF, is there rain to help with the drought...???
Cheers, Pierre
The talking heads on television go straight from talking drought to talking flood, and back again. The middle ground does not get reported, doesn't help their ratings... The levees here in Sacramento have water pretty close to the tops, about level with the rooftop of my house if any let go...
Hi Bob,
Wonder how the central portion all around Fresno or so is doing, since when we drove by last summer it was DRY with half the fields turned to desert.
There they need water for many years to come...
Most of California is by nature is a semi desert, it is only with the water projects that store and save mountain rain and snow melt that it has become lush through irrigation. When the snow pack does not come, which is increasingly the case, the reservoirs tend to run dry early in the year. The reservoirs are also used for flood control, so much of the mountain heavy rains must be let out for protection downstream. Even now, the snow levels have been relatively high, which gives lots of water when we do not need it, and not enough when we do. Ground water is also being overused in unsustainable ways.
I've seen some places where the ground level is actually many feet lower than before cause of the extensive pumping from underground water, sure hope things get better to recover from the that specially dry spell...
Interesting how deep the 6010 got with only 100a and mig needed nearly 3x as much current to do better. I wonder how deep a large 6010 at 250-300a would do.
I've never tried with rods bigger than 5/32", it would require at least 1/4" rods, my favorite rod is the 7018, just a little inconvenient on the restarts, though, it produces nice clean beads with easy slag removal...
@@pierresgarage2687 I share your love of 7018 (except restarts). I just love the fast freeze and deep penetration of 6010, plus it seems a bit more challenging to use, which is both frustrating and rewarding.
Nice job Pierre. I especially like the fact you eliminate the BS by actually cutting and etching your welds. No longer just an opinion, we have proof. As far as lifting devices are concerned though, 3:1 is adequate for regular lifting (not people) (ASME BTH-1 2014 or whatever is the latest, if anyone in north america was wondering what document to get).
Hi Barry,
There are lots of myths about welding, lots of battle on what is best, like you said, there are only a couple of ways to really measure the results...
Good knowledge and training are also key to understand what is going on and how to control the weld....
About the ASME, I'll give it a look, but just before I do is it only 3 times for lifting weight passing over people's heads...?
Cheers, Pierre
Pierre's Garage Actually there are two categories. Category A lifting devices are only 2:1 load factor, but they are for special lifting devices where there is a very well known weight you are lifting, like for handling things in a factory where the product weight doesn't vary. Category B lifting devices are for general use and have a 3:1 load factor. Both can be used for overhead lifting, though it is very poor practice to lift anything over top of people if you can avoid it. I you have a spreader being used in a production environment where it will be subjected to high cycle rate, the spreaders must be analyzed for fatigue. This is the load factor for the lifting device. This does not apply to the wire rope or chain or synthetics used for slings. They have their own factors (5:1, 4:1 and 5:1 typically) I do go to 3:1 on the rigging for particularly heavy "one off" lifts though as the high factors on wire rope are to account for abuse and broken wires when used many times. You are not going to be jerking and shock loading a 200 ton lift.
Ok, I get the principle about the wearable chains and slings... Oh, no...!!! I'd be worried at jerking or shaking even less than 200T.
Since something like a trailer or anything that goes on the road is gonna be rattled a little more than a fixed installation, is there a different set of rules about it?
Small cranes and hoists usually do not possess the finesse of a larger crane. Hiabs and electric hoists can be very abrupt in starting and stopping movement leading to high impact loading. Large cranes also usually have the more skilled operators and thus are better run.
Trailers would surprise and frighten you how poorly many of them are designed. Getting to a load factor of 2 is a stretch many times. They really try not to over design them as every extra pound on the trailer is one less pound of cargo. They don't get paid to haul around the trailer, only the cargo on/in it. As far as I can tell there is no definite standard when it comes to the structural rating of trailers. I have designed a few for special extra heavy haul applications and reviewed some structural failures and accidents. I have not found any governing document that specifies load factors etc. (not saying it doesn't exist, but I have not found it.) Too many of the documents covering things like this are full of words but not much content.
Very nice demo. I would love to see the results with a low end MIG machine for contrast. I tell my students that, in the real world, you are your own first inspector, so you need to be your harshest. If you aren't, you will fail UT, X-ray, or cutout for mechanical tests.
The way to learn this is have an instructor that can watch what you can't while welding and can help you fix the issues you can't see. The other thing I do with students is basic inspection-- dye penetrant, bend test, and basic etch.
Hi John,
Great approach making the students critical about their own work...
I used to own one of those Lincoln MigPak-180, a decent little portable machine for lighter material.
You could set the parameters of a bigger machine to replicate the current and wire speed of a small machine, my guess is set the max output volts to at most 18 to 19 volts and their wire speed is about 500 imp. This is for a 220 volts welder...!!!
If I get a moment I could try to approximate a smaller welder, no promise though.
Thanks for viewing and best of luck with your students, Pierre
Pierre
Awesome Video. Perfect examples of prepping and none prepping. Could not be explained any better very good. And you did not shack to much with the stick LOL
Cheers Fred
Hi Fred,
Glad you liked, my main issue now is seeing what's happening mostly when Tig welding, not the shaking... lol
Cheers, Pierre
When Tig welding the shacking is a good thing LoL
Fred's Machine Werks
You end-up getting good at sharpening tungsten electrodes...lol
Always Informative. Thanks for the comparison view. I welded or should I say SMAW my boat trailer together 24 years ago with a proper ARC welder. Compared to my little 120/240 machine, that i have now, you could almost feel that it was melting in more. My current machine struggles.
Hi, when you use a decent welding machine it always "Sounds" better, and just like a big diesel engine you can feel the massive power behind the pedal... ;)
Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
@Danylo66 But can you say that your cheaper welder penetrated good as well?
Good advice for sure, now I know I'm not supposed to weld the stick to the job and then wrestle it off with a twang ! Happy New Year and all the best , Mat
Hello Mat,
For me having to wrestle the sticks probably means adjusting the current and/or practice on a piece of scrap to get my act together... lol
Thanks for viewing and Best wishes for the New Year to you and family, Pierre
For sure - 110 Amp 240v buzz box and 1/4 dia sticks 'given to me to 'have a go' .... it didn't take me long to reach the conclusion that either stick / box or me was not doing it right ! Slowly learning though. I think Im a long way of investing in new welding facility though. All the best Mat
Keep looking for used welders if you're not rushing you my find a used dream for a price you won't be able to pass...
That reminds me of when I did a welding course ,we had to do a horizontal but, vertical corner and a horizontal corner weld under the eagle eye of the inspector , we had to stop when called and restart the weld then they were cut up and etched, I passed and got my certificate , long now expired
Great instructive videos as is your norm
Hi Stuart,
Those days of welding school, a while ago....
I'm not welding as much lately, this is a fun time to get at it and do a little practice with some controling how good the joint actually is....
Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
Great video. Thank you for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video Pierre. Loads of good information.
Hi, thank you for viewing and for comment, Pierre
My dad has owned a welding shop for the last 40 years, and all the thing you have said is the same things he has told me all my life. To tell you something that we thank is funny. I have had a lot good metal worker say to me (can I get you to do some welding for me? You must be good your dad is) and no im not a good welder I do machine work.
Hi Scotty,
Funny how people think, there is a difference between hearing the instructions and actually making a perfect weld... lol
For many years now I'm machining about 95% of the time... Better for my lungs... ;)
Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
Pierre, pretty welds with no prep work, we call them caterpillars around here. Keep smiling.
Hi Darren,
Making welds in plates or solid stock without prep or at least a gap is kinda useless, mostly if you need to flatten the caterpillars... ;)
Cheers, Pierre
Just a question, since the chamfer was .180" deep, can we assume that the actual weld penetration into the base metal was whatever it was minus .180"?
Hi William,
The chamfer was .180" +/- maybe .010" so the penetration may refer a little bit somewhere else, but, we can certainly say that in that filet the penetration was minimal... Not much more than a few thousand...
Thanks for your input and for comment, Pierre
I might add that welding is something that you can fall out of practice with. If you haven't welded for a long time, and something you need to weld is critical, it would pay to burn a few extra rods/feet on some scrap and practice. My biggest problem, when I haven't welded for a while, seems to be the jitters. It's nice to see people on other videos using blocks, etc. to steady themselves. I'm not the only one!
All of my welding, with the exception of a few done with gas, has been with a stick welder. I wouldn't know where to start with a mig. I first heard of them in '78 ... very high priced then, and you had to have 3 phase to run them. We put them in that "nice to have item we will never be able to afford" category and didn't give them much thought after that.
Getting back on the saddle comes back fairly quickly, by now my biggest problem is my eyes aren't as sharp as they used to be, mostly with Tig where I find very difficult to see well the puddle, no need to say I've become very good at sharpening Tungsten electrodes... lol
Up until about 7 years ago I used to weld pretty much everyday... Now it's 95% machining...
Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
I agree! Sometimes I wish there was a zoom knob n the side of my welding helmet. Chris
Yeah, I've had to relent and start using "old man" tricks to see things. Like lifting my glasses and holding things close to see fine lines or print. Or using my thumbs to cover all except the mark I'm on to the mark I want to be at on the lathe dials.
It's the same with the hearing as well. Cupping a hand, to help mute ambient noise from what I'm trying to hear, telling people to turn and face me if they want to be understood. They told me, about 15 years ago, that I would be a candidate for hearing aids ... in about ten years. I'm long overdue for following up on that.
Hey Chris, if you ever find one of those I want one............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys, there IS a zoom knob on your welding helmet! It's called the cheater lens! I tig weld for a living and use a 3.0 diopter in conjunction with a Gold 10 shade for everyday use (12 shade if I'm doing dual shield or anything above 120a). My dedicated TIG hood that I use professionally to weld everything from aerospace to automotive parts is a 40+ year old Fibre Metal that I bought at a flea market for $2! Most autodarkening helmets can be fitted with a cheater lens as well but I cannot even imagine welding without one (a cheater). My suggestion is to get a glass lens instead of a plastic one. Cheaters have actually gotten very inexpensive compared to years ago when a decent cheater was $40. These days you can get a decent one for $10 or $15 but it's like adding a zoom to your welding
Great advice!
Thanks for sharing
Hi, thank you for viewing and for comment, Pierre
Did you use straight or reverse polarity with your stick welding machine?
Straight polarity.
Super intéressant, même après 4 ans plus tard. Merci beaucoup.
Merci pour votre visite et le commentaire...
that's totally clean water not some old leftover beer ,look ya can tell . great vid pierre thanks !
This water got a little rusty color after a few cleanings, my preference definitely goes to beer... lol
Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
Ben vrai tout ça... Merci pour la démo. Sacrément exhaustif! En plus, ça vient d'un fellow quebecer!
En voyant ce qui se passe ailleur dans le monde, être Québecois est un privilège sans prix.... 😊😉👍
Merci pour le commentaire....
@@pierresgarage2687 Encore d'accord... mais tu prêches à un converti! ;) Je vais m'abonner à ta chaîne. Je trip sur la soudure (et non pas sur l'état d'être saoul dure); la majorité des chaînes sont américaines; d'en voir au moins une qui origine du Québec, c'est plaisant... Es-tu enseignant, par hasard?
@@rbelang8331
Au sujet de la politique, je vais me laisser aller à dire que depuis un bon moment le climat est devenu extrêmement toxique dans un certain pays et que ça se répand rapidement…. Inquiétant…!!!
La chaine ne contient pas beaucoup de vidéos sur la soudure bien que j’ai principalement été soudeur avant d’être aussi machiniste, j'ai commencé à souder de plus en amateur avant d'entreprendre une formation académique, cependant je trouve que les deux professions se complètent très bien. D’où ma motivation de compléter un DEP en usinage après un DSP en soudure. J’ai même demandé la permission à l’instructeur en soudure pour aller assister à l’événement portes ouvertes du module d’usinage pour finalement m’y inscrire…. Aucuns regrets…!!!
Je n’ai pas enseigné ni la soudure ni l’usinage, j’ai fait un peu de coaching tout au plus. Malheureusement depuis à peu près 2 ans, j’ai pris une pause pour la production de vidéos, pour des raisons personnelles et aussi à cause de la COVID, mes ambitions sont de m’y remettre à court terme, par contre je n’ai pas de date fixe pour m’y remettre…. Tout ce processus demande beaucoup d’énergie, et de motivation, à moins d’avoir une super chaine c’est un investissement énorme en temps et en ressources,
En passant, juste par curiosité, de quelle région êtes-vous?
@@pierresgarage2687 Je suis de Québec. J'enseigne par ici. Les arts.
@@rbelang8331 J'imagine que présentement les pratiques normales d'enseignement sont pas mal chamboulées, à quel niveau d'enseignement, et, est-ce que la soudure est pour des formes créatives?
well said. thanks
My pleasure!
I was welding today. I realize I am not a welder!! I wasn't doing anything big or structural, but someday I would love to take a class. Great info and someday I'd like to weld with confidence.......
Hi jster,
You got to start somewhere and persist until you get what you want... ;)
By learning what a good weld is you'll do what's needed to achieve a sound weld, one of the advantage to have a professional welder or a teacher around is that they can point out very quickly what you need to change, learn and practice.
To my knowledge practice is the best way to learn and keep the skills, I notice that when I'm not welding for a while it taked some time to get back the hang of it...
Cheers, Pierre
It is accurate. My small welder can weld up to 1/8 wall thickness. Anything greater I bevel it and weld in the V groove.
Hi John,
This means that with the proper technique you should be able to weld 1/8" in on pass and have full penetration...
To achieve this you will consider making a little prep in two steps, one it helps to taper the sides a little, second you'll need to leave a gap along the seem, fir 1/8" thick a 1/8" gap is about right, VREY IMPORTANT to keep the wire or rod on the front of the puddle AND centered.
You'll know if you got full penetration when you look at the back side of the weld and see that the weld is bulging a little, even better test you fold a sample of this joint ( about 1" wide ) and check for cracking in the the joint...
And like you mention, thicker pieces will require multi passes, in a 60 degree V groove, or a 45 deg, is also ok but requires more filling material...
And, be aware that practice makes better.
Thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
thanks for the tip
Good show! Thanks!
Hey, thanks for viewing and viewing, Pierre
Weary good video and good advice!! thanks.
Hi, Glad you got to enjoy and thanks for viewing and for comment, Pierre
...The good, the bad, and the ugly....! Most excellent video, but I'm vary hard of hearing, and even with the closed captions...I couldn't tell what the 'etching' solution was...? An acid yes, but what kind...? I have used nitric acid, but it's now hard to obtain...here in California, USA.... .030/180 Amps......045/275.....yes! Running about the top of the range there.....are you doing any spray-arc with tri-mix gasses here...? That is the realm of these...... I've also been welding since 1981....only the best machines can meet these tests....I bought a new Miller-Matic 200 in 1981....still running great, just clean out with comp-air a few times......I had a welding shop for a while1981-1985....probably ran 400+ rolls (33#) of wire through the Miller....built a lot of woodburning stove/heaters....used maybe 2 rolls of wire a week.....
Hi Doug,
The Etching solution is Stainless Passivating compound, it's real fast on steel, be careful not to get any close from glass as it contains Hydrofluoric acid that attacks glass viciously...
I've heard from some other people that they use Naval Gelly with good results but it will react much slower, probably easier for you to get your hands on and easier to store.
Normally spray arc easier to initiate when using a mix with over 80% argon in the mix, it's possible to get it with 75/25 or tri-mix but more difficult to initiate... When I had to do it I got a 85/15 mix and it went real good...
If you get a good machine it will last forever, I got this 350MP from Lincoln and finally use it in it's most native mode since it fights me in the advanced fancy settings... lol
And I'll try to pay attention at making the sound as intelligible as possible in the future in order to help people to understand what's going on, not always easy but I'll work on it...
Thanks for taking time to share in this comment, Pierre
...MIG...and Spray-arc....I was using a mix from Airgas...'Stargon'....and a tri-mix from another welding supplier...90%Argon, 8% C02, 2% Oxygen....
75/25 just didn't have enough argon to give nice repeatable results....
I just bought my first welder, a stick welder from Princess Auto and I'm excited to get going. I only intend to use it for ornamental garden pieces and light duty.
Hey... There is nothing like a new chalenge with a new tool for a guy, I just feel the same exitement when undergoing something new and chalenging.
The best suggestions are to look what and how others do it, then, start practicing on scrap pieces (Brand new steel gets to be expensive...) find out how you performed, try to get someone that is a welder or a teacher to evaluate your performance, and, even better, watch you during welding and correct what needs to be done...
Just practice and enjoy your new tool and projects...
Thanks for watching and for comment, Pierre
Hey Pierre, thanks for the words of advice and encouragement! I appreciate it and really looking forward to learning.
Stick rods better penetration thsn mig weld ive seen a,clip ejere mig failed on stick weld. Mig still good so is flux core
Flux core is using double shield, meaning, inner flux and gas coverage is widely used in heavier structural works. 🙂👍
I cant disagree with my ELDERS!
too much respect for those who have paved longer roads than I
Nice Video Pierre
Hi young man, who are you calling an old guy...???
Hey, thanks for being a great friend, Pierre
Tree veeks ago I couldn't SPELL velder!
Seriously though, like Pierre says, lifting and safety equipment, failure is not an option and this is an attitude that carries into anything you weld. Stay healthy my friends!
howder1951
lol...!
The testing is fantastic, top quality. However I think your welding skill may effect the results. Ideally you’d have dozens of welders do the same test, but that’s not practical. Your stick welds looked like they had too high of travel speed (due to the dual sided undercut), and that produces a colder weld with less penitrarion.
In the later years, I have to say that I'm missing welding practice, and it shows... !!!
Sorry about that part.
Here the main topic was the results of penetration and the testing procedure, glad you got the point and went easy on my welding...
Thanks for viewing and for your comment, Pierre
I agree - I see to many people get a mig welder and in an hour they think they are a welder.Even many who stick weld have no idea what there really doing.Everyone looks at me like I am from another planet when I tell them I do not weld.I am capable of many things but that art I did not acquire; yet.
Hi jake,
Just like I mentioned in the video, I REALLY got an idea of what I was doing after I went to welding school, agree with you that it's hard to make someone understand if they haven't been thru the whole process and proven otherwise...
In my case I find that by not welding as often as before, it takes a while before it comes back, but, with age, Tig is getting more difficult, mostly cause of vision degradation...
Thanks for your input and for comment, Pierre
Mig failed on sepersting on level or base and parent metal . Off this subject all are good so is gas welding. Almost obsolete. . But hey witb out electricity and only two gas to weld one eill fail cause it easnt taught
Right about oxy gas welding it does really good also, not very popular those days though... 🙂👍
Super video pierre, j'ai vue le numero de Menard tu es definitivement du QC, je me suis abonner!
Re-allo,
Si tu connais Acier Ménard, C'est possiblement que tu sois de la région de Granby.... Je ne trompe peut_être...???
Merci pour l'abonnement, j'espère que ce soit autant pour les meilleures vidéos que les pires... LOL
En passant, de quelle région es-tu et est-ce que tu travailles dans le domaine du machinage ou de la fabrication?
Pierre
J'ai commander quelques fois de chez Menard mais je suis de la region de st-jerome, et oui je travail dans le domaine du machinage/fabrication/soudage et assemblage. Je programme CNC jusqu'a 5axes, fais des jigs de soudure pour la shop et developpe des outils pour l'amelioration continue de la shop en plus de faire les procedure de soudage pour le multi passe penetration profonde. Je suis dans le domaine des remonter mecaniques :)
Tu as l'air d'avoir un travail varié et intéressant... La combinaison des métiers liés au travail du métal demande pas mal de connaissances générales et de versatilité, le meilleur de tous ces mondes...
J'ai eu une formation de base en CNC mais comme je n'ai pas poussé et que le travail de dessin et programmation sur l'ordianteur ne m'enchante pas tellement, bien, pas de CNC pour moi... lol
Depuis le temps qu'on connait Mario chez acier Ménard on réussi à bien s'en tirer pour le matériel.
Les activitées professionnelles ont à peu près cessées depuis que je suis retraité.
Je suis d'Otterburn Park près de Mont Saint Hilaire de l'autre rive.
correcte ca, j'ai un grand respect pour les personnes qui opèrent des conventionnelles, j'ai pas cette patience... En passant je suis super jaloux de ta 350mp .
You do realize that most people can’t afford a 350 amp machine that’s three phase! So we do the best we can yes I only run on 220 volts welders no 110 machine that being said 110 excellent for thin material 16 ga or less!
Those run on single phase power since they're made to adapt ot just about any power sourcr up to 600 volts 3 phases.
The main goal of this video was to demonstrate the huge amount of power required to get some penetration without a decent prep, I've seen soooo many videos where some folks make a project using 10 or 12 mm ( 3/8 or 1/2 inch) thick material, wleding on the surface with a weave, no prep, even grinding the surface flat in order to get a nice surface.... After seeing this video, you must have an idea of how solid are their contraptions, I wouldn't stand any of those....!!!!
On a more constructive note, it's possible by using lower powered and more affordable welding machines to make proper assemblies, the key to this is to make proper preps and using the most of what's available from the machine.
To make sound welds requires some basic knowledge of how penetration works and minimal experience in handling a welding torch, gun or anything that deposites molten metal...
In the end the better you adapt the machine to the type of work involved the better results are to be expected, ie. a 120 volts machine is great for auto pannel works, as a more powerful model is better for heavy duty trailer making.... 😉👍
P.S. looking for a good used machine is a great way to save a bundle and upgrade to a "Better" machine. 🙂
No fabricator is going to weld something structural without first preparing it. Anyone that does is not a fabricator.
You would be surprised to learn how many "Home Made" trailers you followed on the road, and so many other things amateurs made... Those wanabe wlederd look at a weld and say "Geeezzzz it looks good, then I'm sooo much of a "Semi-Pro" welder... 😱😉🥵
Jus like any craft welding has to be teached and coached by experienced real pros, somethig most amateurs don't and won't easily get... Sadly...!!!
@@pierresgarage2687 I've seen some and wondered how on earth did they get a title for that.😥
One had galvanized pipe for a tongue. I'm sure they were proud of it.
I've seen welds on things built for other people that were so BAD I wouldn't even weld for myself let someone else if I couldn't weld any better than they could!!!
A guy gave me a wood rack he had made, decided he wasn't going to use it anymore. Before I loaded it, I picked it up and slammed the corner of it on the ground, all but about two pieces broke apart which I picked up and smacked them on the ground again and broke them. You should have seen the look on his face! Asked me how I knew I could do that? I could tell by looking the welds were CRAPPY. No penetration to speak of at all. LMAO Some people never learn, others, it kind of seems to come naturally. I taught my wife to weld on my Pipeliner and she was laying down GOOD welds in less than fifteen minutes. Believe it or not! She didn't like it though because of all the sparks LOL.Dumb me gave her 6010 ,I should have started her with something a little milder.
@@fredshipp3809 Zinc will make a very porous weld if it doesn't make you sick breathing the fumes first... 🤢🤢😱😉👍
If you want to discourage anyone from touching your machine or any other machine, get them to weld overhead or even vertical uphill..... Oh! Be stingy on their protective gear... I know, it's really sadistic, maybe at least spare your wife...
Hi Pierre !
Nice video I must say ... I'll get you some day ;-))
It nearly got pornographic ... or was it your own that just fell off ?
Hello Keld,
Ouuups...!!! You were listening... :|
Don't worry you already got me to clean the damned table... lol
As long as we don't fight using more than a handkerchief, I'll keep on playing with you... ;)
Thanks for being around and for your support, Pierre
Oh, by the way, I've checked with my wife, she named everyone except me, so, I'm feeling better... lol
LOL Keld, here we call it Cabin fever
Some misspelled words lol
Ouuups...!!! 😢😂
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Transcribed this video for hearing impaired.
I guess you hear things that most people don't realize is there.......!!! 😉