Some people said, having affairs are personal, so long as they have done a good job, who cares about their personal life. Mind you, if a politician claims his duty is to serve the country, promise to do good work for the people yet he/she can lied to their spouse whom they vowed to love and care for, what makes you think that he/she wouldn’t lie to you? If he/she cannot resist the temptation for lust, to make a right choice behind closed door, what makes you think that he/she can resist corruption, coz it boils down to the same thing, and that is, integrity.
When you're not caught in the adultery web, it's very easy to judge others. If you're caught in it, it's extremely difficult to disentangle yourself. All the mental strength exercised between both parties to disengage is insufficient. Why? There's the strong emotional, physical, sexual pull towards each other in that technically illicit affair that needs to be addressed. Not to mention the push factor/pressures faced by both parties in their individual married circumstances.
Don’t ridicule others. Don’t make fun of others, it’s so rude. Show some compassion. It’s always easy to criticise. Please respect the family and give them time to heal. Tell us honestly, have you guys ever admired someone secretly in your hearts and lust over him or her? Can you honestly say that you are holy? For having lustful thoughts and hoping for a right moment for it to happen? Don’t laugh, some of you are not caught yet. We are all humans. It just that some of you can control or suppress the temptation from time to time through divine help but that doesn’t mean you are completely free of sexual impurity. We humans can fall given the right conditions. Remember that.
Both the couples started their affairs almost in the same year…the last GE period. They caused grievances not only to their party’s leaders but most of all their spouses & children. NS was only married for a few years & started cheating..very sad for her husband
What happens in marital affairs? Cheating, lying, covering up, and so on (not only to spouse and family, but also to everyone else) will have to take place. That leads to the issue of integrity. Are political leaders involved in extramarital affairs fit to have the trust of people? Eroding trust will destroy this rare quality Singapore has. Look at the better side.
The stark difference in the management of these two scandals, one fresh and one two years old, presents a notable contrast and prompts the question of whether the same standards of accountability and transparency were applied to both situations, or if we are witnessing a double standard. In 2021, Raeesah Khan, then a WP MP, was found to have lied in Parliament. The subsequent investigation into not only her actions but also the conduct of her party leaders was both intensive and extensive.
What I hate most is the double standard set. Always seeing ppl say must have opposition to check and balance the Gov/ruling party. But who check and balance the opposition? No need to? Then when opposition got exposed of something wrong, the opposition supporters start screaming and shouting the gov/ruling party fixing the opposition. Sibeh double standard.
The difference is one has lied to party leader so the party didn’t confirm the adultery. The other admitted to the party leader and has resigned but still drawing salary and working as a role of a speaker. Took these many months to call for a press conference.
There are rumours about tcj taking cheng for trips in 2017 and 2022. Was it government funded ? How was the selection made ? Should CPIB probe into these activities
Extramarital affairs, as part of being a role model, is integral for any public figure because of the influence they hold and values they uphold across society in general. Celebrities fall & even brands can be affected if the co. boss falls out of popular opinion, let alone politicians.
Alibaba had a similar scenario. Jiang Fan was removed as a partner 3 years ago for an alleged affair but was promoted recently despite this. Proves that if you are capable, moral values shouldn’t affect your work? Worth to discuss.
Ask yourself, is adultery morally acceptable? If adultery is morally unacceptable and we allow such MPs to continue their duties as representatives of their constituents, can their constituents trust their MPs to make morally correct decisions in their interest? To add, their adulteries wasn't a simple once off lapse in judgement, it was a conscious decision to cheat on their partners despite being found out by their respective Party leaders.
They would be subject to blackmail and I imagine the costs of an affair (legal expenses, damage to the kids, dissolution of assets, time for a wife and mistress or husband and another). If you have the time to do all of this stuff, are you spending enough time at your job? Spending time with your kids? Keeping up with your relatives. It's interesting watching this from the US as we've moved to a more anything goes environment. For some reason, I really enjoy this look at Singapore once a week.
M. Palmer at least came out and apologised to the public of his wrongdoings. This time really different thou. Where is the sincerity of the ppl involved and be man enough to apologised. I really feel for our MP feelings and he had to came out for the press conference to explain their wrongdoings. So simple punishment just quit and settle the matter ? Really ? 😮 Their family are the worst situation .. their kids and devoted wife must face the humiliation for the rest of their life if they can’t disassociate themselves properly or legally . Regardless .. it is gonna remain as crack in their family relationship and obviously a bad memory they have to bear . Respectfully , i wish the individuals at fault will learn this valuable life lesson and mend their ways with their own spouses and their kids. Just Hope time will be the healer for all hurts . ✌🏻
if they are married, its wrong. As you make vows to your spouse, and yet commit to adultery, is like you promise your people of certain things and not keeping the promise, and that's wrong.
If leader of country cannot be a role model, how can they lead the country? Even if it’s Pritam commuting the adultery, the right decision is to sack regardless of his talent. Political Leader have the responsibility to lead the country towards a more prosperous, harmonious and etc. however, if they can’t even have a harmonious family (due to the adultery), how can they even bring the country towards that. We should also ask ourselves, lying is not a crime, however, we caught the political lied but he is talented. Should we still trust him?
Expecting the WP to hire a private investigator to verify the driver's claims is a bit too much. Imagine if they have to do that every time someone goes to them with unsubstantiated claims....
WP still serves a very viable role of providing a credible opposition. Any government, no matter how proficient, should still be held accountable as the public demands more transparency. Perhaps the key benefit of seeing such a sizeable number of MPs this past four years is that Singaporeans are now cognisant about the need for more opposition in Parliament as a check and balance. The WP, to their credit, have played this role very well. If we focus on the WP’s achievements as a merely PAP-WP face off, we might feel a tad disappointed, for the WP is still currently a very small force. But if we place it in the incumbent-challenger perspective, and given the greater number of highly electable opposition politicians across all opposition parties.
What I hate most is the double standard set. Always seeing ppl say must have opposition to check and balance the Gov/ruling party. But who check and balance the opposition? No need to? Then when opposition got exposed of something wrong, the opposition supporters start screaming and shouting the gov/ruling party fixing the opposition. Sibeh double standard.
fun topic for discussion, the issue is that once your a leader of your country there is a certain expectation to a good role model for every Singaporean / people around the world.
Politicians are here to run the country, just like CEOs and not to be your role model, look to your priests and pastors if you need a role model, even then , priests are mostly involved in scandals...
Seriously, this is what makes big news in our SG? If the politicians are doing good work for the people and actually doing something positive for the community, i really don't care nor do i need them airing their laundry in public or whatever is their extra-curricular activity outside of work. Well, as someone one said, " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." If you watched interviews of people asked about the affairs, none of them really cared, they just mentioned more about what they did for their constituents.
Worker party sack the driver a worker who has the guts to whistle blow instead of keeping the job for a worker. The two politicians who represent workers did an great injustice to a worker.
@@asdfkie so isnt Leon the politician of the worker party , the way he treated a worker is not kind . If he had increased the salary instead of sacking a gutsy driver, the whole event ending might be different now. You don't understand the meaning of worker party do you ? Just like them, using the workers name to win votes nian. But never treat worker nice leh
1:48: 🔥 Two high-profile cases of inappropriate relationships involving Workers Party and PAP members have caused controversy in the country. 5:17: 🔥 PM Lee reveals that he was aware of the inappropriate relationship after the 2020 general election and chose not to intervene due to the impact on innocent parties. 9:54: 🗣 The conversation revolves around workplace dating, conflict of interest, and the impartiality of the speaker of parliament. 13:46: 😳 The conversation discusses the recent political scandal in Singapore and the implications for the government. 17:59: 🔍 The press conference reveals resignations, admission of affair, and questions of honesty. 21:33: 🔍 The issue of whether the party leader investigated the allegations further and the impact on the party's integrity. 24:58: 🗣 The discussion revolves around the concept of role models and the impact of losing key figures in government. 28:38: 😳 The discussion revolves around the accountability of people in power and the expectations others have of them. Recap by Tammy AI
On losing talent based on personal scandals I feel like us Singaporeans haven't really experienced bad governance so we can't really see the impact on us (Anyway it seems that both the PAP and WP do see this as big problem and made them resign)
At the time, i had doubts about pritham’s story because he didnt mention he checked out the driver’s story. He only said he asked the 2 persons involved. Turned out, the driver came out to say pritnam really did not ask him anything and he was subsequently fired.
Its a love relationship (2nd wife) when its 5 years long & didn't end after warned by a leader of state. Marriages break down much more often than you would think. Utimately it is his personal decision. Its not a total loss when one is never power hungry or a corporate/society climber. He has earned enough in his career to try other venture.
Look Adultery does not disqualify an MP from serving in Parliament. Ultimately it's a party discipline issue and interestingly BOTH parties acted the same way. i.e. sat on the thing until it came out. Which tells you both parties think that an MP committing adultery is something that will turn off voters and affect the party brand. I'm kind of skeptical that Pritam fired the MPs because they lied to him not because of the adultery. Is he saying that if the pair was honest about the adultery and was committing it openly, it's not an issue for the Worker's Party?
I think it is a slippery slope, when we start applying different standards to people based on their contribution or standing in society or organisation.
From this episode, credit should be given to the PAP for handling it well. Transparency and making the tough decision to remove TCJ despite being one of the anchor minister. PAP has set the bar white, they have to be whiter than white. Hopefully, they continue to do so, notwithstanding, the position or importance of the individual. I can imagine LHL being disappointed, but I’m sure he will be able to pick the party up and continue their high standards. Thankful to be a Singaporean.
PM mentioned the name of M/ Palmer because at the beginning of his speech, he did mention M/Palmer for some reason that I could not remember now (probably talking about preceding similar cases). So it is a matter of cross line in his mind that he mentioned the name of M/Palmer wrongly later on, but it was not the case that the name of M/Palmer suddenly popped into his mind in an unrelated sense.
The two cases involved extra-martial relationship which is not acceptable under Singapore Law and Singapore culture, which also indicates they disrespect Singapore Law and cultural acceptance. Therefore, people who disrespect Singapore Law should not represent Singaporeans in parliament.
According to ST article dated 20 Jul “Ms Seah was elected into the WP central executive committee in December 2020 and took over from Mr Perera as president of the WP youth wing a month later.” Just curious as to whether this was considered as corruption?
I dont think people see mp as role model, however when someone is in leadership role of the government, one ability to resist desire that tarnish the trust of others do Matter, how can we trust the leader promise to the country, when they can even abuse the trust of those closest to them?
Politics is not the epitome of High Priesthood. Family affairs are private matters and where Ethics is an issue, it is best to get professional experts to help sort them out. The best solution...one person has to resign from the Party. That removes the Party from having to sack both persons. Marital breakups are common. In fact, pre-marital breakups are common. Politicians are humans and will face relationship problems. As for honesty...tell me who is 100% honest, never telling a lie to achieve an objective? The key is whether it is a crime to lie. In many circumstances, a lie can be a criminal offence. In others, it is just part of life. There should be better ways to resolve these affairs of the heart. it will happen again....
I would like to note on a policy that Cao Cao (Late Han - period of the Three Kingdoms) implemented which Singapore actually also has till this day, Meritocracy. He stated his willingness to accept competent individuals to work for him even when they lack sense of morality. He described those people as "those who carries a bad reputation, those who once had humiliating scandals, those who are unkind to others or unfilial to their parents but has the ability to govern a country and win wars." I believe one's moral compass shouldn't be mixed up with his ability to govern the country. In response to the question of " Competent politician with a shitty marriage VS Mediocre politician with a perfect marriage", my question will always be "Which of this 2 politicians can lead my country to a greater success? Which of this 2 politicians can bring prosperity to my country?" Are we electing someone who's morally upright or are we electing someone who's competent? Is our country going to give up a talented individual because of his/her affairs which has nothing to do with their ability to govern?
disagree entirely with you. for me being morally upright takes precedence. if the leader is morally decayed, the ones below will follow, and corruption will occur in society.
@@jbrkjferkjbekjb right. i sometimes wonder what they're thinking such that they're able to justify adultery. If pap's scandal didn't get leaked, i truly wonder if he would be singing the same tune. Imagine expecting someone who was unable to stay faithful to his spouse, someone he once swore to forever protect and love, to be loyal to his party and the country.
How convenient of WP to throw it under the bus just as they did to RK by just saying that all the members asked Leon/Nicole if they were having affair and they just took their word for it instead of launching a proper investigation.
So there is the debate that should they as politicians lose their job with this scandal? Does being an adulterer affect their work? Yes. The answer is yes. There was a study done in 2019 that linked marital infidelity with professional misconduct. Also when your job is a politician. your core value should be integrity and honesty especially in a democratic society which values transparency above all else and obviously, being an adulterer means you do not possess those traits in the first place. Griffin et al (2019). Personal infidelity and professional conduct in 4 settings. PNAS, 116(33), 16268-16273.
What I hate most is the double standard set. Always seeing ppl say must have opposition to check and balance the Gov/ruling party. But who check and balance the opposition? No need to? Then when opposition got exposed of something wrong, the opposition supporters start screaming and shouting the gov/ruling party fixing the opposition. Sibeh double standard.
Alamak! Swapping spouses will not work, too. Chin jialat. My parish priest (Fr. Celibacy) said that for sins of the flesh, the parties must go for CONFESSION!
Both political parties MP 'kinky' activity is kicked into high gear now, getting ready for coming election. There is no short of extra- juicy political drama production in the year 2023 for Singaporeans. 🤣😁Undoubtedly it is an exciting year in Singapore.
I agree with Jon Chua on this. I don’t think we can risk losing talent in Singapore because we are a small country that desperately needs good governance. I think this incident may even cause younger people from even going into politics in the first place because their lives would be under such intense scrutiny. Adultery isn’t ideal and it is very harming to the families involved but at it’s core, it isn’t a crime. I personally would rather have an excellent policy maker and politician who commits adultery than a sub-par politician who is loyal to his wife. The well being of the country comes first and this is even more important with a small and vulnerable country like Singapore who cannot afford to have bad governance
Just take a look at American celebrities and some important people their past scandal and unexpected divorce issue without compromising their real life "professional job" 🧐.It's a way of life a very delicate way of balancing act combining work with pleasure.Takes "2 hands" to clap.
On the point of role models and the people giving them "power", Ryan (and other Social Media Personalities) - they used the platform(s) available to showcase their works, and results in a transaction of support for enticing works that aligns with their liking; they weren't chosen by the public - i.e. there is no election process. That said, it is a bonus if said persons have good moral attributes too, but it'd be naive to view that the people were the ones that gave said influencers the power and hence expect them to be worthy of being a role model. On the other hand, the same cannot be said for politicians - they were given a vote of support through a deliberate act of election - which results in decisions that would affect their (electorate's) lives. Hence, I reckon it's only fair that politicians (regardless of affliations) are held accountable (within reasonable limits).
he showed his PARTIAL stance not impartial stance. Also what makes Jamus a populist Jon, dont make motherhood statements like tt and leave us hanging haha
One hand won’t clapped is not a crime just bcos they are public but as long they happy nun care maybe now they super rich want freedom , so nobody will care after they leave
Some people said, having affairs are personal, so long as they have done a good job, who cares about their personal life. Mind you, if a politician claims his duty is to serve the country, promise to do good work for the people yet he/she can lied to their spouse whom they vowed to love and care for, what makes you think that he/she wouldn’t lie to you? If he/she cannot resist the temptation for lust, to make a right choice behind closed door, what makes you think that he/she can resist corruption, coz it boils down to the same thing, and that is, integrity.
Leave public service if u can't control your emotions...breaking families not a role model in Singapore
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Adultery is not mistake. Its a choice. Its a conscious deliberate act.
Does it affect u as a policy maker?
When you're not caught in the adultery web, it's very easy to judge others. If you're caught in it, it's extremely difficult to disentangle yourself.
All the mental strength exercised between both parties to disengage is insufficient. Why? There's the strong emotional, physical, sexual pull towards each other in that technically illicit affair that needs to be addressed. Not to mention the push factor/pressures faced by both parties in their individual married circumstances.
Where many children traumatised . Well done
@@vancekangcorrect. Adultery and political effectiveness are not correlated….👍
Don’t ridicule others. Don’t make fun of others, it’s so rude. Show some compassion. It’s always easy to criticise.
Please respect the family and give them time to heal.
Tell us honestly, have you guys ever admired someone secretly in your hearts and lust over him or her? Can you honestly say that you are holy? For having lustful thoughts and hoping for a right moment for it to happen? Don’t laugh, some of you are not caught yet. We are all humans. It just that some of you can control or suppress the temptation from time to time through divine help but that doesn’t mean you are completely free of sexual impurity. We humans can fall given the right conditions. Remember that.
I think what peeved me the most was that Tan Chuan Jin would preach 'pro-family values' but would commit adultery...
Nicole Seah, Leon Perera, Tan Chuan-Jin and Cheng Li Hui to form their own party - The Third Party😂😂😂
Cruelly, funny. Insensitive, certainly. Give them space to heal-lah, idiot.
this deserves to be top comment
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Both the couples started their affairs almost in the same year…the last GE period.
They caused grievances not only to their party’s leaders but most of all their spouses & children.
NS was only married for a few years & started cheating..very sad for her husband
No. 1 pair started even earlier in 2018. It probably progressed into a long term relationship rather than a simple affair.
Haha the pap one is real love, cannot break up one 😂
BIG RED FLAG...no, more red flags than a CCP parade.
The fact that they had kids too, I don’t understand what’s wrong with them, why would u put people thru that type of shit. So fucking selfish
If you have moral on a personal level, how can you then run country with integrity and honesty?
Your argument is BS. I can kill a fish means someday I'll be able to kill another human being?
What happens in marital affairs? Cheating, lying, covering up, and so on (not only to spouse and family, but also to everyone else) will have to take place. That leads to the issue of integrity. Are political leaders involved in extramarital affairs fit to have the trust of people? Eroding trust will destroy this rare quality Singapore has.
Look at the better side.
Adultery is a reflection of one's ability to resist temptations.
The stark difference in the management of these two scandals, one fresh and one two years old, presents a notable contrast and prompts the question of whether the same standards of accountability and transparency were applied to both situations, or if we are witnessing a double standard.
In 2021, Raeesah Khan, then a WP MP, was found to have lied in Parliament. The subsequent investigation into not only her actions but also the conduct of her party leaders was both intensive and extensive.
What I hate most is the double standard set.
Always seeing ppl say must have opposition to check and balance the Gov/ruling party. But who check and balance the opposition? No need to? Then when opposition got exposed of something wrong, the opposition supporters start screaming and shouting the gov/ruling party fixing the opposition.
Sibeh double standard.
But if you actually read the facts of the two scandals properly, both were at least two years old, not one fresh one two years old.
Aren’t they both many years old?
The difference is one has lied to party leader so the party didn’t confirm the adultery.
The other admitted to the party leader and has resigned but still drawing salary and working as a role of a speaker. Took these many months to call for a press conference.
Can invite Pritam to be on the show next? Would love to hear his views on issues!
There are rumours about tcj taking cheng for trips in 2017 and 2022. Was it government funded ? How was the selection made ? Should CPIB probe into these activities
Extramarital affairs, as part of being a role model, is integral for any public figure because of the influence they hold and values they uphold across society in general. Celebrities fall & even brands can be affected if the co. boss falls out of popular opinion, let alone politicians.
Thank you for keeping us updated with all the drama, sincerely from a Malaysian. BUT ALSO THE VIDEO QUALITY???🔛🔝
Alibaba had a similar scenario. Jiang Fan was removed as a partner 3 years ago for an alleged affair but was promoted recently despite this. Proves that if you are capable, moral values shouldn’t affect your work? Worth to discuss.
Ask yourself, is adultery morally acceptable?
If adultery is morally unacceptable and we allow such MPs to continue their duties as representatives of their constituents, can their constituents trust their MPs to make morally correct decisions in their interest? To add, their adulteries wasn't a simple once off lapse in judgement, it was a conscious decision to cheat on their partners despite being found out by their respective Party leaders.
Yay! The episode I’ve been waiting for all week! Gonna watch tonight!
They would be subject to blackmail and I imagine the costs of an affair (legal expenses, damage to the kids, dissolution of assets, time for a wife and mistress or husband and another). If you have the time to do all of this stuff, are you spending enough time at your job? Spending time with your kids? Keeping up with your relatives. It's interesting watching this from the US as we've moved to a more anything goes environment.
For some reason, I really enjoy this look at Singapore once a week.
M. Palmer at least came out and apologised to the public of his wrongdoings. This time really different thou. Where is the sincerity of the ppl involved and be man enough to apologised. I really feel for our MP feelings and he had to came out for the press conference to explain their wrongdoings. So simple punishment just quit and settle the matter ? Really ? 😮
Their family are the worst situation .. their kids and devoted wife must face the humiliation for the rest of their life if they can’t disassociate themselves properly or legally . Regardless ..
it is gonna remain as crack in their family relationship and obviously a bad memory they have to bear . Respectfully , i wish the individuals at fault will learn this valuable life lesson and mend their ways with their own spouses and their kids. Just Hope time will be the healer for all hurts . ✌🏻
if they are married, its wrong. As you make vows to your spouse, and yet commit to adultery, is like you promise your people of certain things and not keeping the promise, and that's wrong.
Must be jail for making false vows same as in the court.
If leader of country cannot be a role model, how can they lead the country? Even if it’s Pritam commuting the adultery, the right decision is to sack regardless of his talent. Political Leader have the responsibility to lead the country towards a more prosperous, harmonious and etc. however, if they can’t even have a harmonious family (due to the adultery), how can they even bring the country towards that.
We should also ask ourselves, lying is not a crime, however, we caught the political lied but he is talented. Should we still trust him?
Thanks for the shoutout Dan! We see you 😎
Expecting the WP to hire a private investigator to verify the driver's claims is a bit too much. Imagine if they have to do that every time someone goes to them with unsubstantiated claims....
Issue is about the impartiality of the Speaker
Don't forget TCJ was one of those who sat in Raesah Khan's case. Speaking of hypocrisy
WP still serves a very viable role of providing a credible opposition. Any government, no matter how proficient, should still be held accountable as the public demands more transparency. Perhaps the key benefit of seeing such a sizeable number of MPs this past four years is that Singaporeans are now cognisant about the need for more opposition in Parliament as a check and balance. The WP, to their credit, have played this role very well.
If we focus on the WP’s achievements as a merely PAP-WP face off, we might feel a tad disappointed, for the WP is still currently a very small force. But if we place it in the incumbent-challenger perspective, and given the greater number of highly electable opposition politicians across all opposition parties.
What I hate most is the double standard set.
Always seeing ppl say must have opposition to check and balance the Gov/ruling party. But who check and balance the opposition? No need to? Then when opposition got exposed of something wrong, the opposition supporters start screaming and shouting the gov/ruling party fixing the opposition.
Sibeh double standard.
fun topic for discussion, the issue is that once your a leader of your country there is a certain expectation to a good role model for every Singaporean / people around the world.
Politicians are here to run the country, just like CEOs and not to be your role model, look to your priests and pastors if you need a role model, even then , priests are mostly involved in scandals...
Seriously, this is what makes big news in our SG? If the politicians are doing good work for the people and actually doing something positive for the community, i really don't care nor do i need them airing their laundry in public or whatever is their extra-curricular activity outside of work. Well, as someone one said, " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." If you watched interviews of people asked about the affairs, none of them really cared, they just mentioned more about what they did for their constituents.
They will cry out loud if their spouse having affairs.
Worker party sack the driver a worker who has the guts to whistle blow instead of keeping the job for a worker. The two politicians who represent workers did an great injustice to a worker.
driver is leons personal driver not worker partys... dont anyhow talk cock la
POFMA needed here
@@asdfkie so isnt Leon the politician of the worker party , the way he treated a worker is not kind . If he had increased the salary instead of sacking a gutsy driver, the whole event ending might be different now. You don't understand the meaning of worker party do you ? Just like them, using the workers name to win votes nian. But never treat worker nice leh
@@asdfkieu are collect
1:48: 🔥 Two high-profile cases of inappropriate relationships involving Workers Party and PAP members have caused controversy in the country.
5:17: 🔥 PM Lee reveals that he was aware of the inappropriate relationship after the 2020 general election and chose not to intervene due to the impact on innocent parties.
9:54: 🗣 The conversation revolves around workplace dating, conflict of interest, and the impartiality of the speaker of parliament.
13:46: 😳 The conversation discusses the recent political scandal in Singapore and the implications for the government.
17:59: 🔍 The press conference reveals resignations, admission of affair, and questions of honesty.
21:33: 🔍 The issue of whether the party leader investigated the allegations further and the impact on the party's integrity.
24:58: 🗣 The discussion revolves around the concept of role models and the impact of losing key figures in government.
28:38: 😳 The discussion revolves around the accountability of people in power and the expectations others have of them.
Recap by Tammy AI
A recap well done. Thank you Tammy AI! Where can I find you?
a few professions need to have higher and more visible personal integrity ie
teachers
doctors
politicians
religious leaders
feel free to add
lawyers, judges
police officers
military officers
When it comes to Public Servants, foreign actors can blackmail them or bait them to sleep with spies and compromise the National Security.
On losing talent based on personal scandals I feel like us Singaporeans haven't really experienced bad governance so we can't really see the impact on us (Anyway it seems that both the PAP and WP do see this as big problem and made them resign)
At the time, i had doubts about pritham’s story because he didnt mention he checked out the driver’s story. He only said he asked the 2 persons involved. Turned out, the driver came out to say pritnam really did not ask him anything and he was subsequently fired.
from the leon video leaks, the angle/quality looks like a spy cam. then the bigger question is that is every one bugged/monitored?
i cant believe this podcast is not 100K yet
Its a love relationship (2nd wife) when its 5 years long & didn't end after warned by a leader of state. Marriages break down much more often than you would think. Utimately it is his personal decision. Its not a total loss when one is never power hungry or a corporate/society climber. He has earned enough in his career to try other venture.
Then CPF Board do not have answer the citizens.
Look Adultery does not disqualify an MP from serving in Parliament. Ultimately it's a party discipline issue and interestingly BOTH parties acted the same way. i.e. sat on the thing until it came out. Which tells you both parties think that an MP committing adultery is something that will turn off voters and affect the party brand. I'm kind of skeptical that Pritam fired the MPs because they lied to him not because of the adultery. Is he saying that if the pair was honest about the adultery and was committing it openly, it's not an issue for the Worker's Party?
I think it is a slippery slope, when we start applying different standards to people based on their contribution or standing in society or organisation.
Thanks for rolling this out quickly!
From this episode, credit should be given to the PAP for handling it well. Transparency and making the tough decision to remove TCJ despite being one of the anchor minister.
PAP has set the bar white, they have to be whiter than white. Hopefully, they continue to do so, notwithstanding, the position or importance of the individual.
I can imagine LHL being disappointed, but I’m sure he will be able to pick the party up and continue their high standards.
Thankful to be a Singaporean.
Yeah right, “Credit should be given for keeping things under-wrap”..
PM mentioned the name of M/ Palmer because at the beginning of his speech, he did mention M/Palmer for some reason that I could not remember now (probably talking about preceding similar cases). So it is a matter of cross line in his mind that he mentioned the name of M/Palmer wrongly later on, but it was not the case that the name of M/Palmer suddenly popped into his mind in an unrelated sense.
I feel safer kept with the CPF board with meagre interest.
The two cases involved extra-martial relationship which is not acceptable under Singapore Law and Singapore culture, which also indicates they disrespect Singapore Law and cultural acceptance. Therefore, people who disrespect Singapore Law should not represent Singaporeans in parliament.
According to ST article dated 20 Jul “Ms Seah was elected into the WP central executive committee in December 2020 and took over from Mr Perera as president of the WP youth wing a month later.” Just curious as to whether this was considered as corruption?
If we loose our money frivolously in undue exchange
I dont think people see mp as role model, however when someone is in leadership role of the government, one ability to resist desire that tarnish the trust of others do Matter, how can we trust the leader promise to the country, when they can even abuse the trust of those closest to them?
Married or no married people still go Geylang the red light district is very normal.😊😊😊
Politics is not the epitome of High Priesthood. Family affairs are private matters and where Ethics is an issue, it is best to get professional experts to help sort them out. The best solution...one person has to resign from the Party. That removes the Party from having to sack both persons.
Marital breakups are common. In fact, pre-marital breakups are common. Politicians are humans and will face relationship problems.
As for honesty...tell me who is 100% honest, never telling a lie to achieve an objective? The key is whether it is a crime to lie. In many circumstances, a lie can be a criminal offence. In others, it is just part of life.
There should be better ways to resolve these affairs of the heart. it will happen again....
So, affair started in 2020.
She has a daughter in April, 2022.
I'm trying to wrap my head around the timeline.
John is back !!
I would like to note on a policy that Cao Cao (Late Han - period of the Three Kingdoms) implemented which Singapore actually also has till this day, Meritocracy.
He stated his willingness to accept competent individuals to work for him even when they lack sense of morality. He described those people as "those who carries a bad reputation, those who once had humiliating scandals, those who are unkind to others or unfilial to their parents but has the ability to govern a country and win wars."
I believe one's moral compass shouldn't be mixed up with his ability to govern the country. In response to the question of " Competent politician with a shitty marriage VS Mediocre politician with a perfect marriage", my question will always be "Which of this 2 politicians can lead my country to a greater success? Which of this 2 politicians can bring prosperity to my country?" Are we electing someone who's morally upright or are we electing someone who's competent? Is our country going to give up a talented individual because of his/her affairs which has nothing to do with their ability to govern?
disagree entirely with you. for me being morally upright takes precedence. if the leader is morally decayed, the ones below will follow, and corruption will occur in society.
@@jbrkjferkjbekjb right. i sometimes wonder what they're thinking such that they're able to justify adultery. If pap's scandal didn't get leaked, i truly wonder if he would be singing the same tune. Imagine expecting someone who was unable to stay faithful to his spouse, someone he once swore to forever protect and love, to be loyal to his party and the country.
If cannot be role model to spouse and family, how to look after nation ?
Old chinese saying. Be a good person ,control family well, rule the country then you can conquer the world.
was waiting for this since monday... THANKS
How convenient of WP to throw it under the bus just as they did to RK by just saying that all the members asked Leon/Nicole if they were having affair and they just took their word for it instead of launching a proper investigation.
What to investigate when it isn't a crime
This popped up on my homepage...
So there is the debate that should they as politicians lose their job with this scandal? Does being an adulterer affect their work? Yes. The answer is yes.
There was a study done in 2019 that linked marital infidelity with professional misconduct. Also when your job is a politician. your core value should be integrity and honesty especially in a democratic society which values transparency above all else and obviously, being an adulterer means you do not possess those traits in the first place.
Griffin et al (2019). Personal infidelity and professional conduct in 4 settings. PNAS, 116(33), 16268-16273.
What I hate most is the double standard set.
Always seeing ppl say must have opposition to check and balance the Gov/ruling party. But who check and balance the opposition? No need to? Then when opposition got exposed of something wrong, the opposition supporters start screaming and shouting the gov/ruling party fixing the opposition.
Sibeh double standard.
Love that last bit about Venus in retrograde 😂
All 4 have resigned. They are now only accountable to their families
I quite like the guy he does charity work for elderly.....this is tan-chuan jin
losing 2 managers in a MNC vs 2 directors in a SME affects the co. more?
Finally!! Been waiting for you guys to post this vid! :))
i have patiently been waiting for this
Please give the families space to heal.
Thanks for the laughs and insights
Alamak! Swapping spouses will not work, too. Chin jialat. My parish priest (Fr. Celibacy) said that for sins of the flesh, the parties must go for CONFESSION!
11:45 what jon said, should have been "he showed his partial stance" not impartial. Impartial means he's neutral which he was not
Both political parties MP 'kinky' activity is kicked into high gear now, getting ready for coming election. There is no short of extra- juicy political drama production in the year 2023 for Singaporeans. 🤣😁Undoubtedly it is an exciting year in Singapore.
I am foreign worker, I want to be a freelancer, it is taught in Singapore
Guys pls do an episode
About the 1975 incident in Malaysia haha
I agree with Jon Chua on this. I don’t think we can risk losing talent in Singapore because we are a small country that desperately needs good governance. I think this incident may even cause younger people from even going into politics in the first place because their lives would be under such intense scrutiny. Adultery isn’t ideal and it is very harming to the families involved but at it’s core, it isn’t a crime. I personally would rather have an excellent policy maker and politician who commits adultery than a sub-par politician who is loyal to his wife. The well being of the country comes first and this is even more important with a small and vulnerable country like Singapore who cannot afford to have bad governance
I think the young girl is really smart. We are old we have old ideas!
Shameful & disgrace couples.i wonder how are they going to face people in the future.
If they can't keep a promise to their spouse, you think they will for us? 😂😂😂
We cannot expose our hard earned money to foreign exchange speculation within specified accepted exchange risks. No hew please !!!
Be faithful
Can even be loyal to your spouse how to expect you to be loyal to Singapore!
How do you feel if you are the one who has an inappropriate affair.
Don't we all love a good politician. 😅
Just take a look at American celebrities and some important people their past scandal and unexpected divorce issue without compromising their real life "professional job" 🧐.It's a way of life a very delicate way of balancing act combining work with pleasure.Takes "2 hands" to clap.
On the point of role models and the people giving them "power", Ryan (and other Social Media Personalities) - they used the platform(s) available to showcase their works, and results in a transaction of support for enticing works that aligns with their liking; they weren't chosen by the public - i.e. there is no election process. That said, it is a bonus if said persons have good moral attributes too, but it'd be naive to view that the people were the ones that gave said influencers the power and hence expect them to be worthy of being a role model.
On the other hand, the same cannot be said for politicians - they were given a vote of support through a deliberate act of election - which results in decisions that would affect their (electorate's) lives. Hence, I reckon it's only fair that politicians (regardless of affliations) are held accountable (within reasonable limits).
For those who are clean & have never committed adultery are those who never had the opportunities.
Omg I had been waiting for this 😅
Surprised you didn’t get the 4 of them in the discussion 😂
Thumbs up if you think that ketchup will definitely do this saga!
Yesyes INSANELY CREATURES!!!!!!!!!!
The guy in grey seems dehydrated or he is the spokeman for the bottle.
Cheng Lihui formerly had a boyfriend. Although she's single.
12:22 Not 2 mins...but 2 hrs...in his office mabbe...
I lije the guy with Love t-shirt...
ah yes. the episode ive been waiting for this whole week XD
To be fair,l feel Pritam's kinda professional/fair it's sad though cuz Leon's a good lawyer/politician etc....
he showed his PARTIAL stance not impartial stance. Also what makes Jamus a populist Jon, dont make motherhood statements like tt and leave us hanging haha
One hand won’t clapped is not a crime just bcos they are public but as long they happy nun care maybe now they super rich want freedom , so nobody will care after they leave
I knew both parties are competing but this is rediculous...
Well said Johnathan on the impartiality of the speaker
It's called the integrity of the party
Scandals so juicy
You guys, this is gold.
Singapore will have own Maury Show or Jerry Springer show soon.
super good summary 😂 was lazy to read up on it