Vijay Prashad to Prof. David Harvey: You live on the other side of Imperialism!
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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It contains three short speeches by Viyay Prashad, a Marxist historian and director of the Tricontinental: Institute for Social Research.
These form a devastating critique of renowned Marxist David Harvey’s insistence that the concept of imperialism is not relevant to understand today’s world.
While the world is divided between a small handful of rich nations and a large majority of poor ones, Professor Harvey, finds it “too easy” to describe the contemporary world system using the term “imperialism”. In this 2013 book Seventeen Contradictions and the End of Capitalism Harvey did not rank imperialism even among capitalism’s top seventeen contradictions.
This is an edited extract:
If you had a choice to be born in China or in India, where would you pick? Unless you were born in the Ambani or Adani family - if you were born in a slum in India or in a working-class family in China, where would you choose? It's easy for people in the United States to have this or that criticism of China but you don't understand what it means to be born in a country that had been colonized and lived with a wretched old culture, you just don't get it guys. You live on the other side of imperialism!
I'm going to talk about what I didn't see in the book. There are three things:
How do we understand the fact the US spends more on its military than any country on the planet and more than the next nine or ten countries? How are we to understand the hybrid war the United States prosecutes against Cuba, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Syria?
Why it is that certain countries can't or shouldn't be allowed to move from labour intensive production to capital intensive production? What are extra economic pressures to be called other than imperialism? China is not asking the United States to stop doing capital intensive production so China in that sense is not being imperialist against the United States. There are no Chinese warships off the coast of New York City the last time I looked. There's plenty of U.S warships and now one unfortunate bedraggled British warship. It's like the opium war on acid! I don't understand what the British are doing - they have a country that's falling apart and yet they've decided they've got to go poke the Chinese.
It is important to have the concept imperialism appear in the text. I wonder how it would appear if not grounded in the material structure of this prevention of the shift from labour intensive production to capital intensive production.
The Leninist consideration is important. It's very interesting that in all the texts on Western Marxism, Lenin gets skipped. If you look at Perry Anderson's considerable survey of Western Marxism, Lenin doesn't figure. You know he jumps from the second international thinkers over them to Gramsci and or to Karl Koch or to [some] of the more significant French figures. They skip Lenin and I think that's significant.
Ho Chi Minh doesn't skip Lenin. Lenin is in fact the beginning for them. Lenin is the beginning because what Lenin says is if you come from a colonized part of the world the productive forces will not be developed for you there. Imperialism will not develop the productive forces therefore you have to have a dual agenda which Marx didn't think about. That's why Gramsci celebrated the Soviet revolution as a revolt against capital, the book Capital in fact. This is a revolt against the book we need to take that seriously.
You know we shouldn't duck that what Lenin argued in the thesis to the Comintern 1920 which Ho Chi Minh reads in l’humanite and says ‘my god the sun came out in the sky for me, [I've] never read anything like this’! What that Leninist breakthrough suggests is that you've got to push an anti-colonial national liberation strategy simultaneously with the socialist revolution; simultaneously with the social revolution land reform and so on. You've got to move there and we have to build the productive forces because we can't wait for a thousand years. Anyway, imperialism is never going to allow us to build the productive forces so we've got to have this breakthrough consideration of that Leninist moment.
I think this helps us understand so much of what Marxism does outside north Atlantic states and that's another area of consideration. If we neglect Lenin we neglect that seam of Marxism developed outside the North Atlantic. Even Walden Bello in his intro to the Verso edition of Ho Chi Minh says he's not a theorist. I take great objection to this view that theorists are only in the academy in the West whereas Ho Chi Minh or Mao are not theorists. Read them carefully, you will find a theory. Isn't that what Gramsci said? Elaborate theory out of practice. That's the obligation of the new intellectual. So, the second set of considerations is where is Lenin in our thinking? Where is this Leninist moment which is very important for 90 percent of the Marxists in the world if not more?
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Communism was the ideology that helped defeat imperialism. From Vietnam to South Africa to Cuba etc……. So why are we surprised Imperialist and colonists hates communists .
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Communism has the best track record of defeating Imperialism and Fascism. Nothing even comes close.
@@johnl9361 Of course, some -people- 🐷🐷🐷 like fascism and imperialism.
Wrong. Imperialism is thriving. While Communism is Dead.
@@phamhuyphu7517 it must suck to be a Vietnamese person who is going through a honeymoon phase with the US as it is in decline.
You are late to the party and must convince yourself that it's still going.
Hey, I don't blame you. If I showed up to a house party at 2 am while everyone is passed out or leaving, I'd be coping hard too.
Wait, actually, no, I'd just go home at that point.
This is legendary
Please Mr Prashad, miss just once
Thanks for the recommendation
Thanks for recommending this, Eddie!
Hi Eddie
Keep up the good works mr marx man
Vijay needs to be heard in the American left circles, whatever is left of it.
This is the first time I’ve heard him. I think this was one of the best speeches I’ve ever heard
100 percent agree.
Temu ran the 99 Cent store out of business in the US. Multipolar is WINNING!!!!!!
Revolutionary greetings from Kerala, India. ✊🏾❤️🌹
Oh nice! Humble salute from a fellow comrade from Romania.
Been meaning to visit Kerala.
Lal salaam from Uttar Pradesh
@@mkt170 Laal Salaam Comrade ✊🏾❤️
@@mkt170 laal salam comrades from West Bengal, India.
Anurag Chakraborti ..
And salaam from a comrade from Maharashtra
i always learn so much from Vijay !! love him! - also, i live in latin america, so i agree about imperialism - until you experience this kind of colonization you don't really get it.
He is very quotable! We were trying to decide which title to use for the video and we decided to use a direct quote... as we listened, we kept coming up with good candidates until Vijay then exclaims "you live on the other side of imperialism!" and we knew we had our winner :)
We’re waiting to hear Vijay’s analysis on the recent developments in Afghanistan. Vijay is no joke.
Let us all unite as humans and fight against evil imperialistic capitalists.
As a chilean, I completely agree
he should be Indian leader instead of Modi the fascist
Vijay Prashad is probably one of the most outspoken and courageous man on peace and harmonious work for humanity today. He studied history, reviewed and analyzed carefully the development on how Western imperialism has benefitted in everyway by bullying and enslaving others across the globe by imposing evil and inhuman activities to dominant weak nations till this very day. He has pointed out the truth on many occasions. He is in fact the most suitable candidate for Nobel prize for peace and not those politically manipulated fake winners we have seen. Conglat and my highest salutation to you Vijay for the very great work you have done for humanity.
Goddamn Vijay is so inspiring. Any Canadian comrades here please go join the communist party of Canada
Communist party is banned in Australia.
On perfection: "If you aim for perfection you will discover it's a moving target" - Kezia Noble
makes me think of the diminishing vision of the future and degredation of society.
He's a true left icon.
He has mic issues too.
Like Michael Parenti ?
Hahaha! He's been watching too much Parenti
If the audio were not also leftist, I would not trust it.
Problematic mic issues that he needs to address publicly.
Yes, like dr Parenti
Leftist audio
Vijay Prasad, the rare Enlightener speaker.
Proud to be Asian along with him
IMF should just change name to usmf.
but it's not just us money.
Vijay is a treasure
Vijay wants, so much, for the Western working class and Western intellectuals to understand the effect of imperialism on other parts of the world, and how wealth has been transferred from those countries TO the West. Michael Parenti understands it, better than most, and attempts to make people see that poverty is not a "natural condition," as Liberals and other Westerners like to imply. Wealth and poverty are not isolated conditions, independent of one another, with no causal relationship between the two. Indeed, wealth creates poverty ... under the current system. Only when we can put an end to the capitalist mode of production will this relationship change.
Without the evil West, there would be no basis for modernisation at all in the East
You hate the West, yet you want nothing more than the modern industrial system created by the Western working class
Vijay Prashad is just brilliant, a real intellectual heavy-weight! And best of all, he never mince his words.
Mr Vijay is an Honest, wise and very Brilliant man, like Mr. Kishore Mahbubani. They should be the President n Prime Minister of India.
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This will be a valuable resource to return to. Esp his discussion of labour vs capital intensive production.
This is why we like his comments so much. We have written several articles that go into this in depth, one that talks about the need for anti-imperialism to be central (red-ant.org/2021/01/21/why-anti-imperialism-must-be-central-for-the-left-in-imperialist-australia-and-divided-world/), and an entire series that explores this within the context of China (red-ant.org/2021/04/25/is-china-an-imperialist-country-introduction-to-a-new-four-part-series/)
2:33 “You just don’t get it guys, you live on the other side of imperialism.”
This guy's knowledge and ability to convey it, is incredible
It's OK to fail. Just put in your best. Thanks Vijay. Very inspirational
I’m motivated now to do something against imperialism. Lets us all humans irregardless of race and religion be united rather being divided by capitalistic government.
This guy Vijay is really a great orator. Always interesting to hear him.
This speech changed my life. I"m going to spread these ideas everywhere I can. Vijay is astonishing and gives realistic hope.
Thanks for this! Just discovered you on RUclips! First saw you on Midwestern Marx!
Vijay is a great dude. Cheers from Brazil!!!
absolutely love Vijay
Hooray Vjay...
Thank you for educating us with the truth of history.
Urrah, urrah, urrah!!!
Brilliant and such a decent man. Would like to hear a discussion between Prashad and Harvey.
It is always a wonderful experience to listen him.
Thanks sooo much for uploading this video - Vijay is phenomenal. I just ordered a copy of his book online!
Well damn. This is the guy I need to send to my friends, he explains it for payment so well and adds a good bit of levity to the discussion
Vijay is an amazing thinker.
"Let's hear from an Indian... let's bring Narendra Modi to speak to you." Lol, spot on.
That 'feku' is a hologram, he doesn't speak to anyone, he is like a news reader, he reads off lies from a script.
@@luv2touchpink As opposed to Indian commies who are becoming extinct?!
@@jarjarbinks3193 not at all
@@luv2touchpink বাস্টার্ড লেনিন ফ্রম কলকাতা spotted
@@subhajitbaitalik4362 you seem to know the literal meaning of the word, seems you are one urself. Cheers!
Red Salute Comrades from Bihar ♥️. This is incredible.
Bihar walo ko english samjh ati hai🤣
@@vivekraj00007tu konsa state se hai chutyei
Putting “ capitalism too big to fail” in his place. Thank you Prashad!
I like it when Vijay said "Be in solidarity with ppl when they tried to build something". We don't have God's perspective n therefore don't judge.
Vijay Prashad is spitting fire in this video!
VJ is the man!
Wow, legendary and most excellent. Incredible! Thank you! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Vijay is an inspiration. 👍I search the net to listen to him!
I like your TikTok. I know the majority of Indians are brainwashed by the western you have a big Job to teach and open their eyes. Think you for the good job.
Nah ! Indians know what there doing.
I love Vijay 🥺
Beautiful
Excellent discussion
Great panel learned a lot
Haven't watched the video yet, but the text asking 'Where is Lenin?' is fantastic!
Thanks, Vijay Prashad for your honest and alternative view point regarding the situation in the west.
This is a great edit - thanks so much! 👏🏽🥂
Parshad is excellent .
WOW! Very well said
He should be the PM of India, under him I am sure he will elevate poverty and help to clear the people from slum and the caste in India.
Sigma male convention
The whole point is being able to practice extreme freedom.
Great talk
He absolutely killed it here
Those things that seem too big to fail are usually the very things guaranteed to fail.
Ref. All historical civilisations.
Althusser did actually agree that Marx changed his thinking numerous times, but the bifurcation of young Marx / old Marx refers to a structural shift in his thinking not simply just a change in his thinking or better elucidating a point or issue.
How the fuck I never knew about this guy? He’s like the indian version of Michael Parenti, amazing.
I’m also tired of those people from the first world who constantly condemn real socialists experiments. It’s easy to criticize from a comfortable place.
Wonderful
Wow this is amazing!!!!
Okay this is the greatest video I’ve ever seen
Vijay slays 🎉
The #1 issue for socialism is how to break away from needing "capital." Theoretically, socialism seeks to be as autarkic as possible. To the degree that socialism needs outside resources, it must "pay" for those resources in U.S. dollars. This is imperialism in a nutshell. It was the British pound in the 19th century, and it's been the dollar ever since. The first step in breaking imperialism is to break the monopoly and the commodification of money.
True there is no Chinese warships in US coast, the veil is dropping hehe hehehe.
There's just chinese capital taking over within the country
@@yungyahweh Oh no, the imperialized country has set about establishing extremely tight, interconnected economic interdependencies within the imperial core and now that acts as literal insurance to prevent empire from going to war with China like last time.
Whatever will we do!?
b- b- b- but China is evil authoritarian redfash tankie???
Bravo
grande homem
Red Salute Comrades
Capitalism is real greed...
Basado
"And now I need to pee..." Brilliant :)
What an incredibly charismatic man
Bravo!!!
God damn!
So good
The idea that ideas have their roots in material conditions, Marx's materialism, must therefore also be rooted in material conditions, so how does one validate such an idea?
If people do not understand where value comes from, because they are alienated, and instead fetishize commodities, how is it that Marx understood where value came from? Lest we forget, if ideas originate in socio-economic conditions, and are just excess steam without potential, where do Marx's ideas come from?
If we are to take Marx's philosophy seriously that ideas has its origin in socio-economic conditions, we must conclude that Marx's ideas are rooted in his conditions as well. Therefore, I am tempted to believe that he was depressed that society didn't pay his bills, so he rationalized an excuse to not work, i.e., his goal was to live off surplus-value, something he succeeds in when Friedrich Engels finances his ramblings.
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What happened to Democracy Now?!
Great
what about freedom
what about your mom.
Best in socialism
Capitalism first gives freedom
Then slowly takes it away
So that nothing goes against them and in the process you become a parasite incapable of thinking what is good or bad for you
He’s just magnificent!
anyone know where can we get that lenin t?
Vijay, do you agree that East Germany missed the opportunity to promote a modern development of their country.
When socialist countries don't create "modern development," that is the fault of imperialism, not socialism. It's sanctions, embargoes, military expansion, interference, war, etc. West Germany was funded by the US funded by the imperialists and received help to grow. The west was protected in the war, and the east was left to fend for itself. East Germany didn't miss the opportunity for modern development, it wasn't allowed to develop. If East Germany left its socialist roots and joined the West, all of Germany probably wouldn't have received the same level of funding it got.
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What book is he talking about?
Rousing!
David Harvey looks stunned at the end
Love Vijay and his shirt is hilarious.
Can Americans stop clapping for 10 seconds?
6:30
"Capillaries of control..."
Love that phrase...
Where did he get the Lenin shirt from?
VIJAY the forever GOAT, yyds!
Lots of good points on inclusive development as China has phenomenally done. But, it leaves out the Elephant in the room - ecological catastrophe. That is a big part of systemic exclusion pushing people into poverty and starvation. Capitalism and communism are hand in glove to push ecologically degrading industrialization - more tractors and combine harvesters, power guzzling machines, transportation and refrigeration systems.
the 1800s called, they want their Malthusianism back
@@uexkeru How about responding to someone's points rather than make some baseless hyperbolic claim?
It's true that the poverty alleviation of China has had serious ecological consequences that stem not from necessity but from a desire to compete in the global marketplace. If they took a communist approach to poverty alleviation they wouldn't rely so heavily on carbon based energy production and attempt much earlier to move towards renewable sources. China has only recently moved towards that path in order to be able to corner the market on renewable technology. Capitalism dominates in China and I have no faith in Xi Jinping.
@@Liliquan Why stoop to having to point out facts like that China's not a communist state and tractors aren't what's destroying the planet? It just leads to a relentless tit for tat that never ends
So shale fracking and releasing gas into the atmosphere by millions of tons, destroying the water is your definition of eco friendly. Being down by a country drowning in obesity. You need to get real buddy. Cleanse your heart, don't live with hatred
"[i]mperialism even among capitalism’s top seventeen contradictions" Imperialism is not a contradiction of capitalism; it is a stage of capitalism. It's not even structured as a contradiction here. For it to be a contradiction you would need to have it oppose something else. But on its own how can it be a contradiction? THat doesn't make sense.
Very good talk..However as an Indian I disagree with Vijay Parshad on the comparison of poor people in India and China and china's so called achievement of lifting millions of people out of poverty.. china's communist party is extremely secretive and doesn't allow any media from abroad to investigate and cross check these claims..so one has to believe their government version which is propaganda..while poverty is definitely not a convenient form of life however lack of freedom and human rights where the government can abuse people like objects is much worse than living a life of poverty..I being from India have seen millions of people in pathetic poverty..however I find that despite their hardships and living challenges they are happy and able to smile which many people in rich and advanced western nations of US and Europe are unable to (a lot of gun violence and mental illness exists especially in usa)..so poverty is only one of the parameters of decent living and freedom is an equally if not more important parameter which cannot be ignored..
Bullshit
sounds like youre living in your own bubble of propaganda
@@nonperson8293 I personally won't call it a bubble but rather it is my opinion/perception on the matter😊😊
"lack of freedom and human rights where the government can abuse people like objects "
I am pretty sure that isn't true.
"so poverty is only one of the parameters of decent living and freedom is an equally if not more important parameter which cannot be ignored.."
by both parameters , USA and Europe would be superior.
@@testacals I don't know what you are trying to say/mention.. the human rights violations by Chinese government have been well documented irrespective of what you believe...USA and Europe maybe superior but things are rapidly dereoriarating there also on of the decadent social values of the legacy population and increased immigration..if they don't watch out usa and europe could become 3rd world countries in the next 30-40 years...
He sounds a little like Jordan Peterson
ppl are so difficult to understand with stupid mask
Need that Lenin shirt
THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ..... THE IS SERMINISING
No one claimed it was a debate and debates are masturbatory crap anyway.
These intellectuals can sit in bedrooms and read and give lectures....they dream about good society, unfortunately can't do anything because they are well paid professors and they belong to higher middle class ...... Creative artists are much better because they write what they saw in society , they are continuously touch with common people and know people's psyche ......
It's fine to admit you didn't get it, no one will judge you for it.
@@CripplingDuality It's my experience , I studied in university and know intellectuals very well.....
@@kamalpreetsingh1686 So you're saying that we shouldn't listen to your experience but what the creative artists have said about your life instead?
Lenin is very noteworthy for what he said, but what he did was very very inconsistent and often hypocritical.
How ironic to praise China....the CCP would never allow this panel in Shanghai...
If the implication is that speech is totally free in the west, you are profoundly deluded.
@@CripplingDuality Is that why we are debating on youtube? Also, no one would be allowed into the country.... Keep dreaming and spinning ideas from a cranky broke academic that knocked up the help while his wife was with child....
@nokingsinthewild Really? You do realize this is youtube, right? Search Falun Gong; Tibet; Taiwan; Mongolia; Silk Road Initiative; and in case you are hiding under a rock, Hong Kong! I bet you know the 50 cent army, though...
@@coahuiltejano not the Falun Gong 😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@coahuiltejano What can you tell me about Tibet, Coahuil?
I would argue the free market lifted those people out of poverty instead of the CCP.
And I don't believe for a second people are willing to give up their freedom for so called affluence.
Even though critics in China aren't tolerated by the CCP there are many people complaining about
the party since economic growth is stifling.
The economical policy of China is a disaster. They are still a poor country with a lot of poor people
yet they invest in ridiculously large infrastructure projects without a shred of evidence it will break even.
While large governmental companies only get bigger and bigger small business owners have to pay
45% of their income in taxes.
The "free market" magically ended poverty in China, but hasn't managed the same feat literally anywhere else on earth in over two centuries? Lol
Wait so by the same token if free market is taxing small business that is bad right? So free market bad? Idk but for me it’s pretty easy the US is at war with how many countries vs China..
China doesn't really has an free market per say. there is a lot of planing of the economy going on.
"And I don't believe for a second people are willing to give up their freedom for so called affluence. "
not for affluence per say but most people are willing to give up their freedom for stable life. We kinda already do that.
"Even though critics in China aren't tolerated by the CCP"
I don't think this is the case.
"They are still a poor country with a lot of poor people"
Making sure 1 billion people doesn't suffer from poverty is a hard job. The ccp seemingly doing better than most countries.
"without a shred of evidence it will break even"
I don't think they are supposed to break even.
Why didn't it lift them out of India? Or Congo? Or anywhere else where it doesn't work?
Vijay is an amazing guy. He has a very good knowledge about US & European countries.