@@MozzySails You openly and justifiably route for the British team, yet you are still capable of delivering some awesome, unbiased and independent commentary which is a sign of a knowledgeable and open minded person. Keep it up!
@@MozzySailsUnless INEOS get more aware of where the wind pressure is they will lose. The official live stream shows graphically the wind LIDAR so it can be seen that the best pressure often stays on one side or the other for several legs. Boats mainly lose by not learning from the other legs about which side the best pressure is. Race 2 INEOS headed into lower pressure and lost a lot of ground, they must learn from the previous legs.
Pls give us a take on "Ben Ainslie calls New Zealand commentator ‘f---ing w-----"😂 As a kiwi i already thought that anyway. But do you think it was as patronising as it sounded? @MozzySails
As a Young Adolescent, 1978, 17yo, from working class North Shore, New-Zealand, I crewed on a Stewart 34, NZ's single class yacht at the RNZYS, Royal New-Zealand Yacht Squadron, I was learning Forward Hand, spinnaker's, headsails etc. A lot of the Team NZ Crew are from the Squadron. We used to do the Wednesday Evening Races (Harbour) and Saturday Racing (Hauraki Gulf), I always appreciated the fact that I could sail with good Sailors and most of the young men were from ordinary working class families. I was always grateful and appreciative for the opportunities to sail at no cost and always welcoming. The Squadron membership had a large number of the Captains of Industry that were the core of the Members. This is the reason why NZ has the Cup, there is no exclusivity and anyone keen to learn is accepted, naturally one has to abide by the etiquette of the Squadron. presently 5 million population of NZ. The UK must have some serious class structural issues which shuts out a lot of Talent.
Times of changed Brendon. A couple of months ago, I took a shower at the Hyundai Marine Sports Centre along Tamaki Drive. I had been riding my bicycle. I was approached by a weetbix Kiwi and was asked if I was a member. After being told to bugger off, I asked him where he was from.
Mozzy, I know nothing about sailing. I follow high performance sports like F1 because I am fascinated by the science and the engineering. Your channel had opened a window to the AC that has been amazing to me. I can't get enough of this competition. This historical context adds another layer I was not expecting. I can't wait for the racing to begin.
As a kiwi, I’m just looking forward to see some great racing. The history is wonderful. But won’t have much of a bearing on the result. Technological arms race coupled with legal minefields as well!! Best of luck to all!
I wouldn't say luck. What I do believe you might be referencing is being in phase with the wind, finding a high pressure pocket, avoiding a low pressure zone, surfing a swell v. crashing into a swell. All of this is sailing skill. Being able to get the best from a class of yacht, that more than most any class before it, amplifies and magnifies the vagaries of the wind as they are so efficient and dependent on that wind for top performance, that is what will win this cup, also helps if your yacht is just a little more efficient than the opponent!
The history is wonderful. But won’t have much of a bearing on the result. There is a history regarding great events. It adds to the relevance of the event. F1 as an example has a rich history which wasn't planned by any one player. This makes it a great sporting event that the custodians of that sport understand and preserve.
Beautiful piece Moz. GB in for a really good chance this time but also incredibly proud of what a small country at the bottom of the world has managed to achieve in this epic contest of technology and innovation over the last 30 years. Quite remarkable. May the best team win!
Mozzy, from the botom of my heart: Your fulltime Job should be covering Sailing all around the world everyday. Your analysis, your style, your storytelling....
True dat! A phenomenal grasp of the technology, the tactics, the history. Your coverage has arguably been the best AC coverage ever. No, forget the arguably…
Mozzy, I really appreciate the shout out here @3:50 in reference to our interview. Happy to revisit the 37th with you if possible too! Had not expected the Generals v Globetrotters comparison. I think think the shift in culture to which you refer will be tested by the NZ approach, which I suspect is not much altered. It will be an epic match I hope. After the match, maybe we see a review of that NZ culture, which you only alluded to. Doug Schickler
A interesting video Mozzy, an entertaining discussion of class in the UK, seen through the prism of public school sport, a big thumbs up from down under! Actually really enjoy your videos about the tech of the America's Cup, Cheers TP
Nice departure from the normal tech analysis. On point RUclips. Seems like you’ve transformed from a here we go again to genuinely excited. Perhaps like most aussies I’m torn on siding with either. Would love to see Nathan help the kiwis defend before cruising with his fam but would also love to see the poms achieve a historic victory. Hoping whoever wins they evolve the class to more rapidly cascade tech to foiling production boats. A Cowes rather than Middle East 38th please.
Excellent analysis, interesting historical perspective that gives appropriate emphasis to the importance of culture. Well done, a valuable addition to the conversation around the cup.
Only got into the americas cup because of your channel, following originally for the dinghy sailing. Really looking forward to this week, think NZL will be extremely hard to beat but great to see a proper challenge from the brits.
Tell a kiwi that it can't be done and the challege will be accepted. We are a small country afraid of not being noticed. So, whether it is a revolutionary washing machine, climbing Everest , splitting an atom or developing a rocket to put satelites into space, kiwis will give ita go
Tom, I love your analyses, and as someone who grew up near Newport RI in the last days of the 12m class, I definitely feel the same tension against people thinking they somehow have the right to win. Having said that it’s looking like GBR isn’t as fast as NZL and the F1 aerodynamicists hired by INEOS weren’t everything. It’s early days and I’m rooting for GBR to win, but NZL has a lot of advantages you pointed out in the rule setting, access to the race course and data streams, but so far NZL is also sailing really well.
Great video Tom, as always. Your coverage has really brought an extra element of interest to the AC that can't be found anywhere else. I think the British challenge is strong this time round - I have my doubts that it will be enough, but very much hope I'm wrong about that.
My six penith is about Mainsail handling, I sail a 52' Maltese Gunboat, it's got M&M Surfing Hulls & NO TRAVELER FOR THE MAINSAIL, I prefur Blocks Left & Right to lift to windward if required (Not) but being able to ease the sheet but 'V' strop it down in any position the tighten the Leech & great for a Controlled Jibe with a 73' Mast. Ex Tornado Helm who now has a 52' Tornado Look-a-Like Caramaran, live & Sail aboard in Fiji heading for Thailand. Barry Parkinson
My observations to date: 1. Race 1 and 2 the ETNZ boat just looked a little faster upwind. INEOS made a mistake in race 3 and brought a penalty on themselves. It was slightly ridiculous for Ben Ainslie after the race to claim they didn't get the "rub of the green" on the umpire decision. He's talking about luck. Was he implying the Kiwis were lucky when INEOS didn't give way? Really? Out sailed on that occasion. 2. Reliability caused an issue on Race 1 for INEOS which meant a late entry and then be late to the starting line, putting them on the back foot. After that the Kiwis covered them perfectly and extended. 3. Overall the Kiwi boat looks to come out of tacks faster. As I thought they would be more maneuverable. They also appear to have a slight advantage in terms of VMG. Day 1 was difficult to compare because I believe they had differing sail sizes but day 2 was more like-for-like and NZ came out with a VMG advantage. For INEOS to win races they need to complete the course with zero mistakes and perfect reliability. Even then it will be tough with what is looking like a slightly slower boat. Hopefully they win a few to make it interesting!!! But it's going to be hard.
Even today they looked woefully inadequate despite leading for the first time. Kiwis doing extra tacks upwind and still taking the leg is crazy - the agility of Taihoro. In the breakdown INEOS were openly calling the kiwis weak for ‘forcing the umpires to get involved’ - the whole thing smacks of entitled delusion. Benjamin Button embarrassing himself again with stupid penalty hunting.
Well said Tom. I admire your candour and self-awareness of how many UK sports fans view their national teams across a number of sports. As a Kiwi who's been in the UK almost 30 years my observation is that the class system is really holding the UK back. Those at the top of this system (I'm not talking about royalty or the aristocracy whose's influence is insignificant, but the upper-middle class & the political elite) obviously have a vested interest in its preservation. It's incredible how much time, money & energy middle-class UK puts into "keeping up appearances!" The UK has never really had a lasting egalitarian social revolution and complete reset like many parts of continental Europe. There's a sense of entitlement amongst many UK sports fans. A belief that because a sport originated in the UK, the country has a God-given right to be number one...we see it to varying extents in football, rugby, cricket & alas also in sailing. Nothing shows more conceit and arrogance than the expression "It's coming home." Jim Ratcliffe & Ben Ainsley are self-made men who don't buy into all this stuff & it shows.
@@dulls8475 I bow to your global monopoly on irony (as if that's worth anything) & will check in which nucleotide pair in which chromosome "irony" is to be found.
Great work Mozzy! May the best team win! I’m kiwi and i was in San Diego when we won it off the Americans. It takes the best team and boat to win it. God speed to both ETNZ and Team Britannia!
Hi Mozzy, great interesting content as usual. I have followed both F1 and the America's Cup for years now. Now as a Brit living in New Zealand for 22 years now i find myself torn between Team New Zealand and Ineos Britannia. My wife is a Kiwi and i have supported NZ but now mmm. I think i will be happy whoever wins as long as its good racing.I have learnt that the Kiwis are very ingenious in their approach to solving problems and coming up with new ideas. I think that the F1 technology will play a larger part in future cups, the aerodynamics are becoming more important. Lets see. Cheers Dave
A statesman-like and eloquent panorama of the endeavour! As someone commented below, unexpected and all the better for it. You have hidden depths! I hope it is a close and exciting final....though as a Brit I'm rooting for Ineos despite all our contradictions. No-where is perfect....including Kiwi-land. But ultimately lets hope sailing is the winner!!
Arguably Britain's most credible challenges before now we're from Thomas Lipton, who was also self made and not readily accepted into the Royal Yacht Squadron
Actually it was Kaiser Wilhelm II who remarked on “My uncle (King Edward VII) going boating with his grocer”. The King was a friend of Tommy Lipton; it was the members of the RYS who did not make him welcome.
I wouldn't class myself as a sailing fan, but really enjoy following and watching the coverage of the last few ACs. The ability to watch excellent live coverage on RUclips, followed by spot-on post-race analysis from Mozzy (and others) makes this event really accessible. Thanks for your videos - I'm really looking forward to the next few weeks!
…And it's not for the sake of a ribboned coat, Or the selfish hope of a season's fame, But his Captain's hand on his shoulder smote "Play up! play up! and play the game!" (from Vitai Lampada - Henry Newbolt) What a great video - I’m blown away by this side-step from technical analysis into cultural and historical contextualisation. Mozzy, is there anything you can’t cover, and absolutely nail?! Anyway, bits of the video reminded me of the poem quoted above. If Ineos win the Cup, it will be a great achievement for all involved, but absolutely unbelievable for Ben. Go Britannia!
Maybe a bit less cocky now? All the Rule Britannia pomp, empire nostlagia and unsportly attitude are not of much use when they are not the better sailors.
The hydraulic valves are being produced by a small British engineering company called Domin. They are the only boat to be using Domin servo valves - the rest all use valves that haven’t fundamentally changed in over 50 years. They are smaller, lighter, have less leakage (therefore more efficient) and are substantially quicker in their response times.
Good video, I enjoyed that. The early challengers have not always been from the old boys club though. British clubs with entries include the (all Royal) Northern, Harwich, Clyde and famously Ulster (with Lipton) clubs who have all had shots at the Cup. Some of Lipton's crews were Dublin fishermen. The Americans always had more money but after the first race, had a big advantage in not needing to sail a light and flimsy race boat across an ocean to get to the start. Plus they had Herreshoff. But it's a different age now, and I think from a technology perspective the British are likely ahead, aided by F1.
Excellent piece. Places things beautifully in context. There are also many in the US who should contemplate their current success with that of the British challenge over the years - old boy network - or focused, sustained and deliberate act of winning? Lots to debate and discuss!
The America's Cup is a challenge cup. The holders have set the rules, the location the boat design, so have always held the advantage unless they make a mistake or the challenger pushes the rules. There is little to choose between the sailors, so it has to come down to boat design and maybe Ineos with F1 involvement and inbuilt reliabilty will be the difference, maybe not. The other variable is the weather, if stronger winds Ineos has a chance, if light, shifty winds then it's a lottery. Should be fascinating to watch.
Tom you have plenty of material in front of you to explain how the America's Cup evolved from its beginnings to where it is now. Every Cup challenge has its own story, and quite a few of them even ended up in court. Great work thanks for doing it, I hope that you are in Barcelona with a pit pass.
In the interests of not encouraging all the snobs, armchair admirals & saltwater drifters down at the RYS in Cowes, Jim Ratcliffe should have challenged through the Snettisham Beach Sailing Club! Michael Fay did something similar with his '88 & '92 challenges through the Mercury Bay Boating Club. That club's clubhouse was an old caravan parked-up on some leased land overlooking the sea.
Absolutely agree with your narrative on this subject. Being a kiwi I do have a bias towards the taihoro being fast enough for the job … the kiwi will already know from the data if they have the faster boat… unfortunately the Brits don’t know yet… my pick is the racing will be close but still won and lost in the pre starts.. unbelievable maneuvers particularly in the mid to light ish airs 8-12kts I also believe the kiwi will excel in the top end of the wind range … I watched them training in 25-30kts of wind and a hideous sea state… at least it was hideous in the vessel I was in and by the looks of it fir the chase boats also.. just my 5c worth and I can’t wait to see it all unfold… they who makes the least mistakes wins ….
I was 12 and just about to get my first dinghy the last time Britain had a sniff at the cup. Been through many agonies since and this time just remaining quietly optimistic. As Ben said the other day; "we've nothing to loose but everything to gain".
Mozzy, sorry if you've already given these data, but they're not to be found on the official website. What's the batteries' average wattage? How many cyclors are they replacing (say at 370 W/cyclor) ? These "sailing" boats are PLUG-IN HYBRIDS! (with swappable batteries) Or how long would wind turbines take to charge those batteries in pre-race, to make the boats genuinely wind powered? Or how noisy and obvious would a nice diesel engine have to be?
Your title is insulting. The main reason the Americas Cup remained in New York from the outset was the unfairly weighted "Deed of Gift" which allowed cup holders to make and bend rules to suit themselves including denying viable challengers, class selection. The NYYC are entirely corrupt with regards the first century of their title holding. This doesn't create losers. If you cannot race fairly it's no challenge, so in reality challengers were victimised by the NYYC.
I think your response actually supports my point. The British sporting ethos particularly prevalent in public schools is to not question the rules and to value competing proudly despite overwhelming odds. And there was enough prestige to compete and fail that it kept the Cup alive. If the challengers were solely about winning then there wouldn't have been many, if any challengers on those terms.
Very interesting and thought provoking , nice bit of history and understanding - let's hope for for the win and then we can move on - as we all know the RYS in Cowes is a the high profile Yacht Club , which is today reacting to current trends and being more open - yachting was and still is expensive , but it will be now more open to all , we love a home grown winner , lets get on with winning and less of the class issues from yesterday .
The British have as much chance as the Kiwis had when they took it off the Americans. They just have to have a faster boat and sail better. We'll find out over the next couple of weeks. I shall be wearing my red socks........
The RYS is the ultimate old boys club. Maybe it’s changed in recent years but it used to have a men’s and women’s staircase, they famously blackballed Peter Desavory who mounted a good campaign in ‘83. I went to a Cowes Week do at the Squadron but we were ushered to the tradesman’s entrance and a tent. A couple of Kiwis and I tried to get in the club but we were thwarted by waiters. One Kiwi said you must be affiliated to the Royal NZ yacht club, of which he was a member. Response was, “We are not affiliated to anyone sir”. The Kiwi asked if he could join, the answer, “ You don’t join, you are approached”. One Kiwi made it through a lounge full of gent reading newspapers with sticks to hold them up. He got a beer drawn but when he offered to pay the bartender said, “We don’t take cash sir, only signed chittys”.
Kiwi, fan of your content, living near Solent. Hoping for some great racing, want New Zealand to win, but appreciate the romance of Britain bringing it back. Plus I’d get to see it next cycle!
Good perspective. Culture is so important, and the cool calmness out on ETNZ doesn't seem to be quite there with UK, despite technology. Could BA's ego and drive be a negative? Is he, despite being a great SOLO dingy man as so often mentioned, the best for the job? Some of the new talent is incredible, from many countries, particularly Italy.
FWIW, I think Ineos Britannia's J1 head is too tight at the head, needs more twist in the upwash of the mast and is creating unecessary drag and needs more roach at the head.
Mozzy, I've been watching all your videos from the beginning of the cup and the effort you put into data analysis and comprehension is above and beyond... Will you be following and releasing content for the Vendée Globe?? It's quite different type of yacht racing but I personally cannot wait for the beginning of that race and would love to see content from you on that race!!!
Well said! And honestly I have no idea which way it will go but I'm certainly looking forward to the racing! I'm a kiwi, and its worth mentioning that Team NZ does not have the budget of some of the teams (one of the reasons AC is not being held in NZ) - so hoping they spent their money on the right things - lol!
Can't agree more, Mozzy! You could also have mentioned 'Chariots of Fire' and the establishment attitude to professionalism in sport... And everything we've seen on the water points to the boats being very evenly matched - as it should be. Relentless pursuit of excellence, attitude, passion and belief are the attributes needed to win in today's elite sporting contests!
I’ve been suspect of Ineos’ ability and tactics this entire LV/Cup cycle, and never more so than when they faced and barely beat Luna Rossa. They always seemed to be on the edge of making a big race-losing mistake, and their tacks often seemed below par. Well, now being proven right. Sad that Luna or Magic wasn’t able to get through and face the Kiwis, cause Ineos just isn’t showing anything near the ability to match-race the Kiwis.
You are correct in that INEOS is a private entity, and in fact, the America's Cup is a sailing competition between yacht clubs, not nations or racing teams. INEOS represents the "Royal Yacht Squadron", which is British and therefore have the right to wear the White Ensign of the Royal Navy and the Union Jack.
We are so very excited and especially marvelous to see the Kiwis vs Brits….( Yanks) living in NZ past 26 yrs….have known Peter, Blair and Andy since young sailing lads..the best of the very best….and loving challenge….a great one coming!!!! Yippeeeeeeee
So Mozzy...I just have one question..Is it gonna be 7-0 or the committee , because of ineos 'lots of money being put into the venue, will let them win one to be 7-1?
4:47 Well, it is in the song: "Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!" And considering how well the "It's coming home!" song has worked, I'd say this contest is over...
The sailing data shows that Taihoro & Britannia are very close Just goes down to a few subtle points as who wins the start, who wins the first cross & who makes the first stuff up If you can win the start, win the first cross & not make the first stuff up you’re probably going to win
And... for over a hundred years the America's Cup rules required a competitor to sail to the venue from their home port. This meant the British had to design a boat strong - and heavy - enough to sail a cross the Atlantic with a full crew, whereas the American boats just had to pop out of Newport.
Mozzy - you are doing a phenomenal job with this coverage. Thanks so much. Great content
Much appreciated
@@MozzySails You openly and justifiably route for the British team, yet you are still capable of delivering some awesome, unbiased and independent commentary which is a sign of a knowledgeable and open minded person. Keep it up!
@@MozzySailsUnless INEOS get more aware of where the wind pressure is they will lose. The official live stream shows graphically the wind LIDAR so it can be seen that the best pressure often stays on one side or the other for several legs. Boats mainly lose by not learning from the other legs about which side the best pressure is. Race 2 INEOS headed into lower pressure and lost a lot of ground, they must learn from the previous legs.
Pls give us a take on "Ben Ainslie calls New Zealand commentator ‘f---ing w-----"😂
As a kiwi i already thought that anyway. But do you think it was as patronising as it sounded? @MozzySails
Love your insights.
Big fan from New Zealand
Well done Tom. Very impressive report.
Wasn't expecting that from you! Great little video. Please do live commentary on the races, you, Tom etc.
Totally agree as the official commentary is just rubbish.
As a Young Adolescent, 1978, 17yo, from working class North Shore, New-Zealand, I crewed on a Stewart 34, NZ's single class yacht at the RNZYS, Royal New-Zealand Yacht Squadron, I was learning Forward Hand, spinnaker's, headsails etc. A lot of the Team NZ Crew are from the Squadron. We used to do the Wednesday Evening Races (Harbour) and Saturday Racing (Hauraki Gulf), I always appreciated the fact that I could sail with good Sailors and most of the young men were from ordinary working class families. I was always grateful and appreciative for the opportunities to sail at no cost and always welcoming. The Squadron membership had a large number of the Captains of Industry that were the core of the Members. This is the reason why NZ has the Cup, there is no exclusivity and anyone keen to learn is accepted, naturally one has to abide by the etiquette of the Squadron. presently 5 million population of NZ. The UK must have some serious class structural issues which shuts out a lot of Talent.
Times of changed Brendon. A couple of months ago, I took a shower at the Hyundai Marine Sports Centre along Tamaki Drive. I had been riding my bicycle. I was approached by a weetbix Kiwi and was asked if I was a member. After being told to bugger off, I asked him where he was from.
Mozzy, I know nothing about sailing. I follow high performance sports like F1 because I am fascinated by the science and the engineering. Your channel had opened a window to the AC that has been amazing to me. I can't get enough of this competition. This historical context adds another layer I was not expecting. I can't wait for the racing to begin.
As a kiwi, I’m just looking forward to see some great racing.
The history is wonderful. But won’t have much of a bearing on the result.
Technological arms race coupled with legal minefields as well!!
Best of luck to all!
There is a lot of luck with these boats !
I wouldn't say luck. What I do believe you might be referencing is being in phase with the wind, finding a high pressure pocket, avoiding a low pressure zone, surfing a swell v. crashing into a swell. All of this is sailing skill. Being able to get the best from a class of yacht, that more than most any class before it, amplifies and magnifies the vagaries of the wind as they are so efficient and dependent on that wind for top performance, that is what will win this cup, also helps if your yacht is just a little more efficient than the opponent!
@@davidr5597 more the luck 🍀 of boat surviving !
The history is wonderful. But won’t have much of a bearing on the result.
There is a history regarding great events. It adds to the relevance of the event.
F1 as an example has a rich history which wasn't planned by any one player. This makes it a great sporting event that the custodians of that sport understand and preserve.
@@richardmackay1687 true. However it doesn’t impact the outcomes. Yes it adds, but never determines the results.
Beautiful piece Moz. GB in for a really good chance this time but also incredibly proud of what a small country at the bottom of the world has managed to achieve in this epic contest of technology and innovation over the last 30 years. Quite remarkable. May the best team win!
Mozzy, from the botom of my heart: Your fulltime Job should be covering Sailing all around the world everyday. Your analysis, your style, your storytelling....
absolutly true!
True dat! A phenomenal grasp of the technology, the tactics, the history. Your coverage has arguably been the best AC coverage ever. No, forget the arguably…
I agree. Something tells me he could well get there, if that's what he wants.
My best whishes!
Mozzy, I really appreciate the shout out here @3:50 in reference to our interview. Happy to revisit the 37th with you if possible too! Had not expected the Generals v Globetrotters comparison. I think think the shift in culture to which you refer will be tested by the NZ approach, which I suspect is not much altered. It will be an epic match I hope. After the match, maybe we see a review of that NZ culture, which you only alluded to. Doug Schickler
A interesting video Mozzy, an entertaining discussion of class in the UK, seen through the prism of public school sport, a big thumbs up from down under!
Actually really enjoy your videos about the tech of the America's Cup, Cheers TP
Awaiting your first day analysis Mozzy
Still waiting…
Although not surprised he’s not covering it - Pom’s are getting mollywhopped
Nice departure from the normal tech analysis. On point RUclips.
Seems like you’ve transformed from a here we go again to genuinely excited.
Perhaps like most aussies I’m torn on siding with either. Would love to see Nathan help the kiwis defend before cruising with his fam but would also love to see the poms achieve a historic victory. Hoping whoever wins they evolve the class to more rapidly cascade tech to foiling production boats.
A Cowes rather than Middle East 38th please.
Excellent analysis, interesting historical perspective that gives appropriate emphasis to the importance of culture. Well done, a valuable addition to the conversation around the cup.
Only got into the americas cup because of your channel, following originally for the dinghy sailing. Really looking forward to this week, think NZL will be extremely hard to beat but great to see a proper challenge from the brits.
Looking like a slow boat back to Blighty at this stage.
Tell a kiwi that it can't be done and the challege will be accepted. We are a small country afraid of not being noticed. So, whether it is a revolutionary washing machine, climbing Everest , splitting an atom or developing a rocket to put satelites into space, kiwis will give ita go
This was a superb presentation, you out did yourself my friend. Good luck to Britannia. From Brent over here in the colonies, Nova Scotia.
Tom, I love your analyses, and as someone who grew up near Newport RI in the last days of the 12m class, I definitely feel the same tension against people thinking they somehow have the right to win. Having said that it’s looking like GBR isn’t as fast as NZL and the F1 aerodynamicists hired by INEOS weren’t everything. It’s early days and I’m rooting for GBR to win, but NZL has a lot of advantages you pointed out in the rule setting, access to the race course and data streams, but so far NZL is also sailing really well.
Great video Tom, as always. Your coverage has really brought an extra element of interest to the AC that can't be found anywhere else.
I think the British challenge is strong this time round - I have my doubts that it will be enough, but very much hope I'm wrong about that.
Good luck from NZ. Looking forward to some close racing!
My six penith is about Mainsail handling, I sail a 52' Maltese Gunboat, it's got M&M Surfing Hulls & NO TRAVELER FOR THE MAINSAIL, I prefur Blocks Left & Right to lift to windward if required (Not) but being able to ease the sheet but 'V' strop it down in any position the tighten the Leech & great for a Controlled Jibe with a 73' Mast.
Ex Tornado Helm who now has a 52' Tornado Look-a-Like Caramaran, live & Sail aboard in Fiji heading for Thailand.
Barry Parkinson
I’m a kiwi and I love your high quality, objective and well rounded coverage. Wishing you the Best of British !!
My observations to date:
1. Race 1 and 2 the ETNZ boat just looked a little faster upwind. INEOS made a mistake in race 3 and brought a penalty on themselves. It was slightly ridiculous for Ben Ainslie after the race to claim they didn't get the "rub of the green" on the umpire decision. He's talking about luck. Was he implying the Kiwis were lucky when INEOS didn't give way? Really? Out sailed on that occasion.
2. Reliability caused an issue on Race 1 for INEOS which meant a late entry and then be late to the starting line, putting them on the back foot. After that the Kiwis covered them perfectly and extended.
3. Overall the Kiwi boat looks to come out of tacks faster. As I thought they would be more maneuverable. They also appear to have a slight advantage in terms of VMG. Day 1 was difficult to compare because I believe they had differing sail sizes but day 2 was more like-for-like and NZ came out with a VMG advantage.
For INEOS to win races they need to complete the course with zero mistakes and perfect reliability. Even then it will be tough with what is looking like a slightly slower boat. Hopefully they win a few to make it interesting!!! But it's going to be hard.
Even today they looked woefully inadequate despite leading for the first time.
Kiwis doing extra tacks upwind and still taking the leg is crazy - the agility of Taihoro.
In the breakdown INEOS were openly calling the kiwis weak for ‘forcing the umpires to get involved’ - the whole thing smacks of entitled delusion.
Benjamin Button embarrassing himself again with stupid penalty hunting.
That first upwind leg will be the answer most likely. Expect the kiwis to have a fast manouverable boat. Good luck to INEOS they will need it.
Your best video to date !
Thanks for your phenomenal contribution to my favorite sport, and its most outstanding competition !
Thanks a million
Well said Tom. I admire your candour and self-awareness of how many UK sports fans view their national teams across a number of sports.
As a Kiwi who's been in the UK almost 30 years my observation is that the class system is really holding the UK back.
Those at the top of this system (I'm not talking about royalty or the aristocracy whose's influence is insignificant, but the upper-middle class & the political elite) obviously have a vested interest in its preservation.
It's incredible how much time, money & energy middle-class UK puts into "keeping up appearances!" The UK has never really had a lasting egalitarian social revolution and complete reset like many parts of continental Europe.
There's a sense of entitlement amongst many UK sports fans. A belief that because a sport originated in the UK, the country has a God-given right to be number one...we see it to varying extents in football, rugby, cricket & alas also in sailing. Nothing shows more conceit and arrogance than the expression "It's coming home."
Jim Ratcliffe & Ben Ainsley are self-made men who don't buy into all this stuff & it shows.
What a pretentious little reply that is. "Its coming home" is ironic. But then you dont have the irony dna so I understand.
@@dulls8475 I bow to your global monopoly on irony (as if that's worth anything) & will check in which nucleotide pair in which chromosome "irony" is to be found.
@@Penguinracer Good.
A brilliant, insightful, historical analysis.!
Let’s make history and rename it the New Zealand Cup already
Thanks for all the videos
thank you, very generous
This IS THE BEST ever America Cup program . Thank You .
Great work Mozzy! May the best team win! I’m kiwi and i was in San Diego when we won it off the Americans. It takes the best team and boat to win it. God speed to both ETNZ and Team Britannia!
Hi Mozzy, great interesting content as usual. I have followed both F1 and the America's Cup for years now. Now as a Brit living in New Zealand for 22 years now i find myself torn between Team New Zealand and Ineos Britannia. My wife is a Kiwi and i have supported NZ but now mmm. I think i will be happy whoever wins as long as its good racing.I have learnt that the Kiwis are very ingenious in their approach to solving problems and coming up with new ideas. I think that the F1 technology will play a larger part in future cups, the aerodynamics are becoming more important. Lets see. Cheers Dave
Yup, there are a lot of us - expat Brits in NZ!!😂
@@NobodyOfNote-qv5whNZ is kinda the Britain of the Pacific. There are signs of British influence everywhere.
A statesman-like and eloquent panorama of the endeavour! As someone commented below, unexpected and all the better for it. You have hidden depths! I hope it is a close and exciting final....though as a Brit I'm rooting for Ineos despite all our contradictions. No-where is perfect....including Kiwi-land. But ultimately lets hope sailing is the winner!!
This is by far the best commentary on the challenger to AC37 that I've seen, heard or read.
Arguably Britain's most credible challenges before now we're from Thomas Lipton, who was also self made and not readily accepted into the Royal Yacht Squadron
They (the RYC) called him "that grocer"...
Arguably Thomas Lipton's five AC campaigns were more about marketing. He used the cup to help introduce Lipton Tea to the USA.
He sailed under the flag of Royal Ulster Yacht Club, in Bangor Northern Ireland.
Actually it was Kaiser Wilhelm II who remarked on “My uncle (King Edward VII) going boating with his grocer”. The King was a friend of Tommy Lipton; it was the members of the RYS who did not make him welcome.
I wouldn't class myself as a sailing fan, but really enjoy following and watching the coverage of the last few ACs. The ability to watch excellent live coverage on RUclips, followed by spot-on post-race analysis from Mozzy (and others) makes this event really accessible. Thanks for your videos - I'm really looking forward to the next few weeks!
@@chrissharratt2563 others? #namedropping #please
…And it's not for the sake of a ribboned coat,
Or the selfish hope of a season's fame,
But his Captain's hand on his shoulder smote
"Play up! play up! and play the game!"
(from Vitai Lampada - Henry Newbolt)
What a great video - I’m blown away by this side-step from technical analysis into cultural and historical contextualisation. Mozzy, is there anything you can’t cover, and absolutely nail?! Anyway, bits of the video reminded me of the poem quoted above.
If Ineos win the Cup, it will be a great achievement for all involved, but absolutely unbelievable for Ben. Go Britannia!
Very well thought out and presented commentary. Excellent. Thanks.
Maybe a bit less cocky now? All the Rule Britannia pomp, empire nostlagia and unsportly attitude are not of much use when they are not the better sailors.
ETNZ are the All Blacks of sailing never underestimate either 🇳🇿
The hydraulic valves are being produced by a small British engineering company called Domin. They are the only boat to be using Domin servo valves - the rest all use valves that haven’t fundamentally changed in over 50 years. They are smaller, lighter, have less leakage (therefore more efficient) and are substantially quicker in their response times.
Any moog stuff being used or is that other one your referring to?
Loved so much this one, Tom. Great job. 🙏
You get better better and better. thx for the report this final will be great to watch and yeah i'm supporting the Britisch. maybe a poll ;-)
Good video, I enjoyed that. The early challengers have not always been from the old boys club though. British clubs with entries include the (all Royal) Northern, Harwich, Clyde and famously Ulster (with Lipton) clubs who have all had shots at the Cup. Some of Lipton's crews were Dublin fishermen. The Americans always had more money but after the first race, had a big advantage in not needing to sail a light and flimsy race boat across an ocean to get to the start. Plus they had Herreshoff. But it's a different age now, and I think from a technology perspective the British are likely ahead, aided by F1.
Great insight, Tom. This is exactly the UK's challenge - not only for the America's Cup!
Excellent piece. Places things beautifully in context. There are also many in the US who should contemplate their current success with that of the British challenge over the years - old boy network - or focused, sustained and deliberate act of winning? Lots to debate and discuss!
The America's Cup is a challenge cup. The holders have set the rules, the location the boat design, so have always held the advantage unless they make a mistake or the challenger pushes the rules. There is little to choose between the sailors, so it has to come down to boat design and maybe Ineos with F1 involvement and inbuilt reliabilty will be the difference, maybe not.
The other variable is the weather, if stronger winds Ineos has a chance, if light, shifty winds then it's a lottery.
Should be fascinating to watch.
A superb report many thanks.
Pretty quiet around here..
check my post out. I've been in barcelona all weekend, only got home at 7pm this eve
Great report - thanks for explaining it all.
Tom you have plenty of material in front of you to explain how the America's Cup evolved from its beginnings to where it is now. Every Cup challenge has its own story, and quite a few of them even ended up in court. Great work thanks for doing it, I hope that you are in Barcelona with a pit pass.
In the interests of not encouraging all the snobs, armchair admirals & saltwater drifters down at the RYS in Cowes, Jim Ratcliffe should have challenged through the Snettisham Beach Sailing Club!
Michael Fay did something similar with his '88 & '92 challenges through the Mercury Bay Boating Club. That club's clubhouse was an old caravan parked-up on some leased land overlooking the sea.
Great video - well needed on many levels
Absolutely agree with your narrative on this subject. Being a kiwi I do have a bias towards the taihoro being fast enough for the job … the kiwi will already know from the data if they have the faster boat… unfortunately the Brits don’t know yet… my pick is the racing will be close but still won and lost in the pre starts.. unbelievable maneuvers particularly in the mid to light ish airs 8-12kts I also believe the kiwi will excel in the top end of the wind range … I watched them training in 25-30kts of wind and a hideous sea state… at least it was hideous in the vessel I was in and by the looks of it fir the chase boats also.. just my 5c worth and I can’t wait to see it all unfold… they who makes the least mistakes wins ….
I was 12 and just about to get my first dinghy the last time Britain had a sniff at the cup. Been through many agonies since and this time just remaining quietly optimistic. As Ben said the other day; "we've nothing to loose but everything to gain".
Snap!
Yea, this could be the challenge that finally makes history. May the best team win and best of luck to all!
History??? this is gonna last a couple of days! ahaha
@@fabiocampagnoli Looks like it...but who knows?
Mozzy, sorry if you've already given these data, but they're not to be found on the official website.
What's the batteries' average wattage? How many cyclors are they replacing (say at 370 W/cyclor) ?
These "sailing" boats are PLUG-IN HYBRIDS! (with swappable batteries)
Or how long would wind turbines take to charge those batteries in pre-race, to make the boats genuinely wind powered?
Or how noisy and obvious would a nice diesel engine have to be?
lol, you’re sounding like Dr Brian Cox with that speech.
Your title is insulting. The main reason the Americas Cup remained in New York from the outset was the unfairly weighted "Deed of Gift" which allowed cup holders to make and bend rules to suit themselves including denying viable challengers, class selection. The NYYC are entirely corrupt with regards the first century of their title holding. This doesn't create losers. If you cannot race fairly it's no challenge, so in reality challengers were victimised by the NYYC.
I think your response actually supports my point. The British sporting ethos particularly prevalent in public schools is to not question the rules and to value competing proudly despite overwhelming odds. And there was enough prestige to compete and fail that it kept the Cup alive. If the challengers were solely about winning then there wouldn't have been many, if any challengers on those terms.
Very interesting and thought provoking , nice bit of history and understanding - let's hope for for the win and then we can move on - as we all know the RYS in Cowes is a the high profile Yacht Club , which is today reacting to current trends and being more open - yachting was and still is expensive , but it will be now more open to all , we love a home grown winner , lets get on with winning and less of the class issues from yesterday .
Like this honest self reflective look at the history of the America's cup. It touches on why a small country like NZ can dominate on a world stage.
The British have as much chance as the Kiwis had when they took it off the Americans. They just have to have a faster boat and sail better. We'll find out over the next couple of weeks. I shall be wearing my red socks........
They have to have a better boat and sail better.... insightful.
To be accurate they only need to sail better in a similar boat OR a better boat and to sail as well, (or both! )
The RYS is the ultimate old boys club. Maybe it’s changed in recent years but it used to have a men’s and women’s staircase, they famously blackballed Peter Desavory who mounted a good campaign in ‘83. I went to a Cowes Week do at the Squadron but we were ushered to the tradesman’s entrance and a tent. A couple of Kiwis and I tried to get in the club but we were thwarted by waiters. One Kiwi said you must be affiliated to the Royal NZ yacht club, of which he was a member. Response was, “We are not affiliated to anyone sir”. The Kiwi asked if he could join, the answer, “ You don’t join, you are approached”. One Kiwi made it through a lounge full of gent reading newspapers with sticks to hold them up. He got a beer drawn but when he offered to pay the bartender said, “We don’t take cash sir, only signed chittys”.
Hi Mozzy, excellent and honest presentation. Thank you! Cheers Alan
Very balanced... and insightful.. Impressed.
Really good. Thank you.
Spot on bro 👌 nice lighting also😂🎉
Brilliant observation and comment. Keep it up!
Great job as always. I hope yall win it. It would be a great story.
Kiwi, fan of your content, living near Solent. Hoping for some great racing, want New Zealand to win, but appreciate the romance of Britain bringing it back. Plus I’d get to see it next cycle!
Good perspective. Culture is so important, and the cool calmness out on ETNZ doesn't seem to be quite there with UK, despite technology. Could BA's ego and drive be a negative? Is he, despite being a great SOLO dingy man as so often mentioned, the best for the job? Some of the new talent is incredible, from many countries, particularly Italy.
FWIW, I think Ineos Britannia's J1 head is too tight at the head, needs more twist in the upwash of the mast and is creating unecessary drag and needs more roach at the head.
hi Mozzy. great historical context for what we all hope will be a fantastic contest (I do want us (uk) to win thought).
Another cracking video, thx you. I think I heard Sir Ben mention 150 people in the team. What are the relative team sizes and budgets?
Kiwis are about the same.
Mozzy, I've been watching all your videos from the beginning of the cup and the effort you put into data analysis and comprehension is above and beyond...
Will you be following and releasing content for the Vendée Globe?? It's quite different type of yacht racing but I personally cannot wait for the beginning of that race and would love to see content from you on that race!!!
Thanks for your great content, it’s been enjoyable and very informative, no matter which boat wins
I’m backing Taihoro, go you good thing
Well said! And honestly I have no idea which way it will go but I'm certainly looking forward to the racing!
I'm a kiwi, and its worth mentioning that Team NZ does not have the budget of some of the teams (one of the reasons AC is not being held in NZ) - so hoping they spent their money on the right things - lol!
Burling definitely isn't from an old boys network.
Excellent. My nautical book club is reading "There is No Second" as the cup unfolds. Will this be like 1983?
Eloquent analysis of what sets the Ineos challenge apart from more "gentlemanly" challenges of the past.
Can't agree more, Mozzy! You could also have mentioned 'Chariots of Fire' and the establishment attitude to professionalism in sport... And everything we've seen on the water points to the boats being very evenly matched - as it should be. Relentless pursuit of excellence, attitude, passion and belief are the attributes needed to win in today's elite sporting contests!
It was either me running down Hayling beach with my top or talking around Hyde Park ad St James...
Where are the day 1 recaps and analysis Mozz?
Out in Barcelona.. Monday or Tuesday for first reflection on the weekend racing
I’ve been suspect of Ineos’ ability and tactics this entire LV/Cup cycle, and never more so than when they faced and barely beat Luna Rossa. They always seemed to be on the edge of making a big race-losing mistake, and their tacks often seemed below par. Well, now being proven right. Sad that Luna or Magic wasn’t able to get through and face the Kiwis, cause Ineos just isn’t showing anything near the ability to match-race the Kiwis.
What kept Ineos Britannia in the challengers final was the starts.
And (especially) 2 races lost by LRPP rather than won by IB
Wouldn't it be something? Can't wait for the race to start.
Excellent analysis. I've followed AC since they used 12m's and this is definitely the best chance because they have embraced technology.
Surely Ineos is a private entity, who says they are representing Britain?
You are correct in that INEOS is a private entity, and in fact, the America's Cup is a sailing competition between yacht clubs, not nations or racing teams. INEOS represents the "Royal Yacht Squadron", which is British and therefore have the right to wear the White Ensign of the Royal Navy and the Union Jack.
We are so very excited and especially marvelous to see the Kiwis vs Brits….( Yanks) living in NZ past 26 yrs….have known Peter, Blair and Andy since young sailing lads..the best of the very best….and loving challenge….a great one coming!!!! Yippeeeeeeee
So Mozzy...I just have one question..Is it gonna be 7-0 or the committee , because of ineos 'lots of money being put into the venue, will let them win one to be 7-1?
How well put!
From the results of the first two races, the answer to your question is: NO.
I learned something. Thank Mozzy!
4:47 Well, it is in the song: "Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!"
And considering how well the "It's coming home!" song has worked, I'd say this contest is over...
What a refreshing and honest take.
Been a great cup so far and I feel the British boat will be fast and it’s going to be tough for all involved
Tomorrow is 12th October where I am.
May the wind be a strong force, right to the team who takes the AC.
60 knots and above will be great! 😱😂
The sailing data shows that Taihoro & Britannia are very close
Just goes down to a few subtle points as who wins the start, who wins the first cross & who makes the first stuff up
If you can win the start, win the first cross & not make the first stuff up you’re probably going to win
And... for over a hundred years the America's Cup rules required a competitor to sail to the venue from their home port. This meant the British had to design a boat strong - and heavy - enough to sail a cross the Atlantic with a full crew, whereas the American boats just had to pop out of Newport.
Mozzy ! Nice to finally meet you !
You too!
Bit Quiet mozzy since the cup started are ya abit disappointed in the British??
Ha, no, been in Barcelona (as per the post of my page) Been editing all this evening since getting back... upload in progress
Loved that change of tack !!!