37 inch Tires vs Stock on EcoDiesel 2020 Jeep Wrangler JL Rubicon - Fuel Economy & Highway Driving
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I put my 37inch tires from my JK onto the JL and did some fuel economy comparisons between the two and give my thoughts and review of how the 3.0L Ecodiesel in my 2020 Jeep Wrangler JL Rubicon dide.
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The best jeep ever made is this ecodiesel. The fuel economy is a thing of beauty, the torque to fall in love with and on a jeep capability, roof off freedom and a bed package, probably the best overall vehicle in existence.
Thanks for this video. Like a lot of people have already stated, this was definitely the video everyone was waiting for. It’s making the diesel that much more of a reason for the purchase. Thanks again for the awesome and informative content!
The video we've been waiting for !
Thx bro! Finally was able to make it.
I like that you are willing to share your tests for Power and MPG with everyone, and I appreciate that you are doing all of the heavy liftings... Thanks. Don't let people's comments bother you (I don't think it does bother you.) The internet makes lots of people geniuses when they are less than average.
Thanks for posting. Some good info. Always nice to find videos like this.
Thanks for these videos, I've been considering getting a JLU with the diesel and its nice to see someone that has one and all the little things about it. Keep it up.
Your welcome!
I might get gears, looking forward to seeing what lift you choose. Love the content of the videos
Thanks for posting these vids. Very informative and well thought out.
You welcome! Glad they bring some value!
Absolutely fantastic video. Getting rid of my Gas Mojave to do a Eco Rubicon Gladiator. You channel has really helped me with questions like this !!!!
Really enjoyed the video. Look forward to next week!
It should be our Wednesday. I've got a few videos shot. Trying to get back to 2 a week.
Very impressive mileage, thanks for the video
Thank you for experimenting and for posting your results. This is exactly what I was looking for before pulling the trigger and you just nailed it. The biggest shock was ~34 MPG on the stock 33” tires. That is truly amazing. Love your videos... please keep them coming.
Your welcome. Appreciate the comment and I enjoy helping you guys out!
Hmm... I have 2000 miles on my stock eco and have a high of 24.5mpg with an average of 23mpg. Combination of highway and some city.
34 mpg on 33s and 22 on 37s FUGG THAT SHEEEEIT. That's totally NOT COOL.....I expected 3-5........but 12 mpgs.......that's NUTS
@@michaelsantosuosso7284 100% agree.
Thank you. Very informative video!
You are welcome!
Very good video! Nice jeep 👌 Looking forward to this. New subscriber!
Welcome and thank you!
Fantastic info here Casey, great video! I'm surprised by the large loss in mpg due to the wheel/tire package, though 22 mpg isn't bad, it will certainly take a bite out the overall range of the vehicle on a tank of fuel. I'll be on the lookout for low weight wheel/tire packages, and I may now also start thinking about 35s . . .
I think a flatter drive would produce closer results. The heavier tires I feel require the engine to work even higher to climb the hilly stretches.
Cool video bro. Hope everything is good in BC!
Impressive numbers, my diesel jk gets between 19 and 23 mpg with 33s depending on terrain. Worst mpg is on the highway because of the short 5th of the auto transmission
I never did a re-gearing with my JL 2.2 diesel, it worked just fine, also with a trailer....😀
Ya its great! Next vlog is a dyno test.
Impressive fuel run and good video thank you. 👍🏼
Your welcome
great video impressive fuel mileage on 33".
Good mpg information, add 1 mile for every 10 with the 37s to get more accurate reading
22mpg whilst running 37" isn't bad at all! Maybe later on you should consider gearing up to a 4.58 to compensate for the larger tire.
I drove by you the other day, looking good.
Thanks! Is about to look a little better too!
Two of those 37" mounted wheels are just as heavy as my whole dirt bike...:)
Great video. With the 37" tires and the computer thinking they are the stock tires, it is not compensating for them. I bet you reprogram with a Tazer JL and the computer will change shift points and and use your engine more efficiently. Should give you some of that lost kpL/mpg back. Obviously re-gearing would give you most of that back. These computer on these rigs now compensate a lot. Again great job Casey.
I just happen to happen to have a tazer JL sitting here :) It was on the dyno this week and will be the next video. It was interesting to see the power band and how it makes even more torque under load. Ill do another fuel run with my permanent tires, tazer Jl, and a moderately flat highway run after.. and a dyno run with bigger tires.
Thank You, my questions and wondering are answered, from a fellow B.C. citizen
6.7l/100km wow that's so called eco amazing fuel economy
Great video!
Thanks!
Thanks again Casey! I have seen many posts and comments from others about regearing JLUs running 37” tires with the Ecodiesel engine. Some have suggested 4.56 or lower. I think it would be a big mistake to regear any Ecodiesel equipped JLU running up to 38” tires and here is why: While re-gearing from 4.10 (JLU Rubicon non-diesel) to either 4.88 or even 5.13 is perhaps essential in order to run 37” tires effectively and in order to reduce stress on the transmission in the long run, the Ecodiesel is an entirely different beast. The JL 3.6L Pentastar V6 has only 180 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm (peak 260 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm) while the 3.0L Ecodiesel (the JLU version) has 442 lb-ft @ 1400 (peak torque lasts from 1400 to 3000 rpm). For comparison, Fords new monster 7.3L big block V8 for the 2020 Super Duty trucks has 380 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm (peak is 475 lb-ft at 4000 rpm).
The Ecodiesel equipped JLUs do not need lower gears for running 37” or even 38” tires effectively as the engine has a whopping 2.5 times more torque at low rpms compared to the 3.6L Pentastar V6. Also, running 33” tires with 3.73 gears is mechanically almost exactly the same as running 37” tires with 4.10 gears. The optimal gear for running 37” tires on an Ecodiesel equipped JLU is 4.10 which would take advantage of the entire engine torque curve and the entire transmission (based on its gearing) while also mechanically correcting the speedometer error with 37” tires. Therefore, I would submit that it is not worth the cost or the slight reduction of torque to regear an Ecodiesel equipped JLU as long as the tire size is 38” or smaller.
I agree. Wait for the next video with dyno results and it will future reinforce those thoughts. The torque trails of quickly after 3k rpm.
Well explained Gary! I would personally regear to 4.10 just to keep the factory fuel economy after installing 37”.
Ecodiesel only comes with 3.73 gears. You were recommending to not regear diesel equipped JLU but then you are saying the optimal gear to run 37s is 4.10. Hows running 37s with the stock gears on diesel JL? I am debating 3.6L JLUR and ecodiesel, not sure which one I should go if I want to run 37s with stock gears.
Dobok Kim - What I said is that the optimal axel gear ratio to run 37” tires on an ECODIESEL JLU is 4.10 because it delivers peak torque as low as 1400 rpm and it comes with the 8HP75 transmission (which is not the same automatic transmission as in the 3.6L Pentastar configuration). If you go with the 3.6L V6 in the Rubicon configuration and want to run 37” tires effectively, then you should strongly consider regearing to 4.88. The Ecodiesel delivers approximately 2.5 times more torque than the Pentastar V6 at 1400 rpm which means it would be fine running 37” tires on the stock 3.73 gears. Therefore, you would need much lower gears in the Pentastar configuration with 37” tires to end up at higher rpm where the gas engine delivers adequate torque. Hope this helps.
Gary M thanks, I’ve been searching online to find an answer and this really helps. I’ve seen a lot of 3.6 v6 owners running 37s on stock 4.10 gears claims it works very well without regearing. Most of them would be mall crawlers and that’s fine because I will be one of them lol (I do love outdoor activities in the nature but I don’t do hardcore off roading) It sounds diesel would be even a better option and the 3.73 gears isn’t an issue because of the abundant torque at low rpm. How well does the 8 speed automatic transmission respond with larger tires? Will it ever shift to 8th gear?
I live in Virginia (USA). Run highway speeds of 75 to 85 mph (120 kph-136 kph) no problem
Are you running that with the 37s?
If you're going to lift it, I recommend metal cloak dual rate springs in your kit.
Lift is already sitting in my garage. Was waiting on my tie rod and drag link which just arrived. Im going to put the permanent wheels and tires on this week before lift. Stay tuned.
37's look perfect on the rubi.
Agreed.
What is the fuel consumption when idling...like parked running the AC or using the electrical to recharge with inverter ?
I'm really getting sold on this ecodiesel motor, of course, I'd need it in a 2-door. Honestly, the most shocking was 34+ MPG on the stock tires. Are stock tires 33" tall?
32.8"
If I ever move to Canada I'll have to learn the metric system. They tried (and failed) to teach us back in elementary school here in the US, 40 years ago lol.
Great information thank you 22 MPG on 37 mudds is very impressive although did not expect a loss of 10 MPG. You're only a hundred fifty pounds heavier with the swap, difference is the rolling resistance between all terrains and muds. Diesel Wrangler 👍
150lb of unsprung weight is a lot of additional rotational mass, especially through varying grades of terrain. Id imagine on a dead flat highway it would be a smaller delta. I did a video a while back talking about how much actual weight that rotational mass is equivalent too and it is surprising.
He has not corrected the computer yet either, which is going to throw off shift points and such. It’ll probably be a bit more efficient when the trans has the right values.
So what would be the combined MPG’s for the ECODiesel in the JL?
I’m not hating on the eco diesel, I have one, but have you mentioned the crankshaft position sensor wheel? It is located between the flywheel and the motor. When this $70 part explodes when you go to pass someone or get out of that mud hole you will be dead in the water like I was. So think about all the parts that have to come off to get to that magnetic wheel and sensor before you buy an eco diesel. It’s cost me almost $2,000 in parts and labor to fix it. By the way the flywheel bolts are one time use. Like I said, I’m not hating I’m just putting this information out there. The diesel mechanic has done 7 more of these same jobs since mine last year.
I might consider regarding
Hold it I missed it, you went from 34 to 22 gal! without all the yaking what was the differance POST IT PLEASE
Looks absolutely beautiful as is with those 37's!!
Yep it needs bigger tires then stock for sure.
Amazing videos! So much info in them!
You should invest in the new Fujifilm X-T4 with the 80mm 2.8 Macro lens! That combo would give you insane sharp video results and its all stabilized! Just a suggestion since you will be going on some epic trails!
Liked and subscribed
Interesting. Ill check it out. I like Gopros currently.
@@Casey250 GoPro is amazing for its size weight and durability! Good choice for sure
Great video. I sold a very built JK with the pentastar because I hated the motor and transmission. I've been looking at the ecodiesel, will also run 37's. That said I tow a trailer with 4 wheeler. I'd love to see performance with your combination towing.
Ya me too. I need something to tow
Thanks
Hi thank you so much great video I wanted to ask you what gear ratio do you have I have a JKU I’m right in the final stage of a hemi swap I put model 60s front and rear and 40 inch tires and I just couldn’t move out of it soundtracks with the stock engine thanks again
My stock gears are 3.73.
Casey, Thank you so much for the vid! I cannot believe the difference. I am on the opposite coast in NS. Question for you...do you think tires AT vs MT had a play in the difference? I know I am not buying my JT for fuel economy but HOLY CRAP, that thing does better than my Honda!!! LOL! I am dying to gte the JT with the 2.5" lift and 37's, but after seeing that, I might just stick with the oem stuff. I might do some trails and stuff, but never plan on rock crawling with it. Just a TON of Skiing and pulling of ATV trailers and boats! LOL! Thanks again!
I think tire and wheel weight make the biggest difference.
Voltage seems a little low at 12.9, had to replace the main battery in less than 1200 miles on my '19 JL 3.6, started exhibiting a lot of different issues, auto start stop & pace distancing cruise control errors to start then finally wouldn't start. now the start/stop battery is out but that just throws the auto start stop error, fine by me as now I don't have to turn it off every time. Great vid and content, wish I could have held out for the eco diesel but got a killer deal on new old stock 2019, had to pull the trigger.
I noticed that too and others have mentioned that diesels voltage fluctuating up and down more then gas models. Ill keep an eye on it.
Very useful, I’ll be curious to see if you ever need to re gear
Probably not unless I axle swap for 40s.
what did you use to extend the tailgate bump stops on the tailgate?
Looks nicely with the 37”
Agreed.
Been debating over a 4runner, Raptor, or the Diesel Jeep for a couple months now and my decision is final on the Jeep especially after watching your videos and the capability of that beast
Raptor and Wrangler/Gladiator are in a different world. Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator are very capable off road, probably the most capable. Raptor is a desert runner and wouldn't fit well in trails here. 4 runner is probably most comfortable and reliable.
Wish they put the track hawk motor on this model
It would have been great to see the original tires stood up next to the 37's for visual comparison. Hard for me to understand the size change. Thank You for sharing video Casey.
Thx for the feedback. I am putting the permanent wheels on this week, I will show the two side by side in that video.
@@Casey250 Thank you, that would help me understand the difference!
Hey man, great video. m in the process of buying a JLRU and am debating on engine size. Biggest question is the 37s with the 3.73 end. It seems that there might not be a need for re-gearing. Question: how loud is the turbo diésel engine, I’ve read that it is very notable, very noisy. What’s your take! Thanx
You know its there and there is a whoosh sometimes from the waste gate. I notice it most going through drive-thrus or a cold start at camp. Nothing that has been troubling though.
Good day,
Love all of your videos. Super informative.
I'm picking up my 2021 echodiesel next week.
How many miles do recomend to break in before you really start to stand on the pedal.
Thanks once again.
Best Regards,
Hermann from Southern California
I don't think there is break in. I pushed it right after I got it lol
Thank you so much once again.
Your videos are so awesome and so informative.
I'm chomping at the bit to get my new Rubicon echodiesel.
Have a beautiful Easter weekend.
Best,
Hermann
Its not apples to apples but on a JT on 37s with the 3.6 we observed about a .65 mpg difference between having the wheel speed corrected and not, probably because it disrupts the shift logic
I believe 4.10s would put RPMs back to near identical to stock. That plus a lighter wheel with corrected speedo would probably add 3-4 mpg or about 1.25 to 1.7km/l
I think I’m gonna do that on my gladiator diesel and run the Nitto Exo grappler in 37” for daily and snow driving and get 38” milestar on beadlocks next summer for wheeling trips
The gas motors will want to hold shifts longer which will need a tuner. In the next video, the Jeep is going to get a dyno pull and the diesel doesn't add much benefit by holding shifts. I will do a corrected fuel run after I add my tazer JL.
I want one of these eco diesels. Just have not seen a rubicon in our area yet
I am enjoying it!
Hi what was the other options for the gear ratio can you get 410s with the eco-diesel thanks for taking the time to answer my question have a good one Katie thank you
Not that I know of
Hey Casey, I bought a Willy's eco diesel and am wanting to put 35s on. Did you have any issues with 37s rubbing while turning or hitting bumps? I know your fenders are higher but trying to ball park it with nobody really having a lift kit for it yet.
None, but only on the road and those tires had 3.25" back spacing. I am going to be putting on wider tires with less back spacing this week, keep an eye out for that vlog.
Now to me diesel and 37" tires on stock axles just doesn't seem like the best combination if you get in a bind more so if you get the 4 to 1 case. No it shouldn't make much of a difference on your in mpg power to weight ratio it has a lot of torque.
I am a super newbie When it comes to wheeling and it’s hard to get good info, what would you run 31” Goodyear wrangler duratrac tires at on the road? I’m running them at 36psi and wondering if it’s too low?
It’s a 96’ XJ
Thanks Casey. Did it look like any clearance issues with the 37's no lift if you were to go wheeling?
I might take it out once i get the proper rims and tires on with no lift. The backspacing on these trail ready beadlocks is an inch more then my Teraflex wheels so it would be hard to say. Also my tires I am putting on are wider.
Tune would help greatly. Transmission would at least know what is going on with the bigger tires. And of course speedo would be corrected.
If you went to 456s it would be that much better?
Ya I think the shift points were a bit low when hitting the gas. Im not sure it would make enough of a difference to go 4.56 and spend all that money. As well, 3.73 will have a bigger pinion which will be stronger with the torque and larger tires.
Nicholas Baldwin Going to 4.56 gears would be a huge mistake with the diesel engine. It is a torque monster at low rpms and it is therefore geared higher accordingly. With 37” tires, going from 3.73 to 4.10 gears would actually almost exactly compensate and mechanically correct the gearing and the speedometer. If you go with 4.56 gears with the Ecodiesel, you would likely lose the use of 1st and possibly your 2nd gear in city driving.
@@Casey250 TAZER JL CHANGES the shift points when go under tire size and change it to 37 inch tire.
I have a 2021 JL Rubicon diesel on order and this has really helped me to understand how it will handle 37” tires. Thanks very much!
Awesome and your welcome!!
@Casey 250, when you first got your jeep you got ~22 mpg, and in this run with the stock tires, it’s up in the ~30’s. Could you talk more about this? Thanks!
A couple thoughts. I was at a considerable higher elevation when I picked up the Jeep. Was mostly climbing elevation into the rockys as well. I find that the higher the speed with stock tires the lower the fuel economy. 80 to 90km/h on stock tires seemed to be better then the 110 to 120km/h I was traveling through the rockies. I did another fuel economy test with 47s and recalibrated speedometer and it will be up tomorrow in a video.
@@Casey250 Thank you for this, so far you've been the best resource of seeing how this eco-diesel is doing in real world mpg. Keep it up!
So the rubicons with the eco diesel comes with 3.73 gearing not 4.10?
Correct.
In modern trucks it's easier to mask the problems inherent to putting big tires on stock gears, thanks to more flexible engines and better transmission gearing. You can get away with it, but you inevitably lose power, burn more gas and put a lot of extra strain on the transmission. Yes, re-gearing is expensive, but it's necessary for the sake of longevity of components and maintaining as close to stock driving experience as you can. I never saw the sense of spending 50K+ on a vehicle, lifts, wheels and tires yet not forking over the extra 2K to have the axles geared properly to the application.
do you have model or name on rims and name and sise on tires thanks
beautiful diesel
The are trail ready beadlocks with km2 37in tires.
I average 21.5 mpg with my EcoDiesel running 75 mph with Mopar 17" Beadlocks and Toyo Open Country RT's. That's with 75% Hwy driving. If I run 75% City my mpg goes up to 26 mpg. I would have thought it would be the other way due to the rolling tire on the hwy would have Inertia keeping it rolling. I live in central Florida so the only grades we have are overpasses. Is the rolling resistance of the tire tread that great to cause the hwy mpg drop?
peter rocco sounds like an aerodynamic issue. Drag builds as velocity increases.
Yep. Its a big brick.
Nice 👍
Are you able to add tire pressure gauges to aftermarket wheels?
Absolutely. I just don't bother.
@casey 250 I haven't heard about the eco-D in a rubicon being an inch taller than a gas rubicon (the gladiator mojave is 1" higher than the gladiator rubicon) buy I have heard that the suspension on the eco-D was stiffer and it was explained because the engine is 400 lbs heavier which is also why they are rated less for towing( tleast in the gladiator). Keep up the great videos !
Yes ecodiesel wranglers are taller stock.
@@Casey250 getting ready to order mine(Gladiator Diesel).. can't t wait . I wonder if the Gladiator Diesel Rubicon is taller than the gas version ?
where did you hear that the diesel has a higher lift? i figured the heavier diesel engine would add more compression. maybe jeep compensated for that? would love to find out if higher lift is true
There was a discussion about it on the JL forums. I need to ask someone to measure their front fender height on a stock gas model. I have my measurement from the front of the fender below signals at 34.75". The Ecodiesel uses different springs then gas models, for both the extra weight and the balance of weight with the fuel tank on the drivers side.
Casey 250 I just measured my stock 2019 JLUR w 3.6 and it’s 34.25” there (I have the Falken M/T tire option)
@@miklm Interesting, so at least 0.5 inch higher, maybe a bit more because I have all terrains.
My 2021 comes 4.10. And question was your JL lifted when you put 37’s?
4:10s aren't an option for the diesel. And when he parks in the video he stated it wasn't lifted yet
What do you plan on re gearing it to? I don't think you need much more than a 4.10?
Possibly. 4.10s would be my choice. Rumor has it the 2021s might have 4.10s but I haven't confirmed for sure.
Your hand calculated will be off a little since the speedo is off. You got better than calculated. Also upgrading to 4.10 you’ll get your low end torque back. Especially off the line from a stop.
How do you figure on hand calculated being off? I ran the same route, which was 124km by google maps, and stayed at the speed limit by gps speed.
Casey 250 I stand correct if you used a gps for actual miles. Maybe I was not paying close attention if you mentioned it. 👍
Hehe no worries :)
Really think I’m going to go 35s after seeing this. Sounds like going diesel wasn’t a bad idea
The diesel is great with larger tires. Really happy with it.
@@Casey250 getting ready to lift mine and didn’t want to have to deal with a regear this is awesome
Some say a regear on 37s is nice. To me, id say maybe, but its super low priority in the jeep build budget.
Love the look with the 37s
Agreed
What was the weight difference with the 37s?
And mpg went from 34 to 22mog?
74lbs factory. 111lbs with those. My new wheel assemble is 118lbs. I did see better fuel economy in tomorrows video on a flatter highway and recalibrated speedo.
Amesome bro.
34mph is Awesome... But a 12mph loss?... That’s Crazy, and I would not have expected that...And with Cost of Fuel North of the Border. 😢 No matter what the Driving, it meant you had to push the Pedal closer to the Floor to try and maintain the same speed. 🤔
I would say that the close gear ratios of the transmission and how the turbo and engine generate torque, very little if any additional throttle input was required. We say some interesting results on the dyno when using its rolling launch control feature and how the engine can increase more torque under load with the turbo. Next video.
I bet with good regear it would be in upper 20s from 34
I’m used to saying “fill petrol” for everything. People act like I killed someone if I say it for a diesel engine lol!
Lol.
Hey Casey, your rubicon has 3.73? I thought rubicons has 4.10s
Not Ecodiesels, they all have 3.73.
One constructive comment…. Make sure you put a stats sheet at the end where we can pause and look. Doing this verbally is not too practical. I have to watch the video again lol…. But great job and great idea!!
Not fast but I imagine it doesn't feel labored. Doesn't look like any drama.
It is effortless.
Big difference in MPG’s but very surprised how well it drove.
Once I put the permanent wheels on I want to do a short trip on flat land highway for another comparison.
Lookin forward to that vid 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
12 mpg less from 33 to 37. That’s a big difference. But 34 mpg is really good. I just might get the diesel for the wife.
You Canadians are so cute with your Kilometers; it's an adorable little version of a Mile ;) I love your videos buddy!!!
Roflll. Just be clear.. i think you mean 'most of the world and their kilometers' lol. 👊👊
Holy Shit!!!! That's a massive drop on economy. 😬
Not bad at all if you compare it to a gas engine. I am surprised diesel engines in the USA get treated like a dirty underdog.
We just don’t trust their reliability or serviceability anymore with the Obamatard regulated equipment
@@g496r500t I totally agree! The Government needs to get out of the car business! Like here in California it is next to impossible to bring in a Truck with a V8 engine because of the Emission B.S.
When there is a problem; it's nearly always likely the government is the cause.
we all wish the state of California would stay out from under our jeep and trucks hoods! those enviro geeks push electric cars but never tell you how dirty the power that generates the electricity is. There are cleaner alternatives that will work in our cars and jeeps with out going electric!
I'm assuming you have the stock suspension and only added the 37s tires
In this video yes. Now I have a lift.
@@Casey250 any issues with the stock lift and 37s? I plan on only putting 35s on the stock lift.
You stated your Rubicon is running 3:733 gears I'm pretty certain it has 4:10s
nope. Ecodiesels have 3.73 gears.
Looking good with the 37s!
Agreed.
How did you get the ecodiesel? Did you buy it in USA
No i ordered it in January.
damn that went down a lot lol.
Ya. I want to do another run on a flatter route. New tires arrive today and ill do another video.
...Is that 34 MPG actually miles per gallon or is that actually kilometers per gallon that didn't get converted ....if so i get 21.126 MPG....
No. The metric measurement is Litres / 100km which is next to the MPG (Miles Per Gallon)
@@Casey250 ..ok...just hard to believe 34 mpg but that's great news....never owned a jeep but seriously looking now...!!!!...looking forward to more of your videos and reports on this engine...my real concern is the reliability of this engine...thanks...
What kind of diesel engine do you have in USA ??
3.0L Ecodiesel
Did you lift the diesel to get 37’s on?
No. But i will be lifting it.
Still trying to decide between a JT or JL. Either way it will have the diesel.
Very different use cases in my opinion.
I agree. I'm no longer interested in rock crawling off road except if they are in the way. The way the back seat of the JT folds is terrible. If it folded flat like the JL it would be some much more useful. This is the reason my other car is a Ram 2500 MEGA. The mega back seat folds flat vs the extra cab. The dog needs a place to ride!