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This is Jennifer Sinclair. You are what keeps me sane. This is all about my MOTHER!!!!!!!! No one else has EVER articulated this and why it happens!!!!!!
Thank you for this video. I usually get caught with people like that so trying to wake up to it and move on. Nice to hear it explained I’ve been the listener my whole life!
I stopped having friends because these are the people I attract. I'm a listener. I'm done sitting for hours listening to people talk about themselves never asking anything about me or when I say something it is ignored. I can't stand seeing people in restaurants talking someone's head off about themselves and the person/ people with them are just nodding and saying oh? Really? Okay. Blah blah blah. I'm done hanging out with someone who loves the sound of their own voice and is entirely self-centered. I'd rather be alone.
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Same. Happens every time I decide to get up and actively try opening up and making friends. A part of me dies and it feels like a constant cycle. Then people tease me for being "shy" and "quiet".
This reminds me of a friend I have. I would fall asleep while on the phone with her. She was incredibly self absorbed and I enabled her. BUT, when I broke up with my boyfriend and needed to talk, she left the conversation and said she had to go. The next time we spoke I said "Hey, i have been your "unofficial therapist for 2yrs and you cannot listen to me for one conversation?". So I drew the line and blew her off. 6 yrs later we are confined. She was worried about me and got a message to me asking for my new #. She wanted to start the old cycle. I told her right in the first conversation ' I cannot be listening to all your stuff like I used to'. I cannot be her 'free' therapist anymore.
If you reconnected with her, did she honor the boundary or what is the same old thing? A couple of my friends can't seem to help themselves and I've lost patience.
The obsession with themselves is like a pathology they cannot help until its causing them enough issues where they reevaluate and want to be better. Unfortunately, there’s always gonna be someone who “overlistens” to enable that overtalking behavior though. If its not you they may find another “host”
Almost all my friendships & my parents were like this. I’ve learned to value my own company as being more sustaining & fulfilling than these so called relationships. I was so conditioned as a child to be the listening ear, that it’s difficult for me to talk at all with some people.
@@mindset_olympics2 I wonder if these people suffer from inability to have an inner dialog with themselves before talking - do they perhaps need a listener to create structure in their thinking?
This happens a lot to me. I used to sit and listen attentively and be polite. Now if someone talks at me I will listen to a point but then disengage and will disconnect from the conversation even if that means, worse case scenario, getting up and walking away.
If that were me I would just get it and always wear it whenever I saw her lol or any known person that does not shut up. By the way, I need that shirt!
Being in this exact situation for six years I understand. This video has really given me some clarity. I have been beating myself up for years being in this long term relationship with the emotionally removed talker. He was a good man to me but he never shut the hell up and constantly complaining and would tell the same stories over and over and over again. Yes, I was the huh huh person on the other end of the one sided conversation 90 percent of the time. And that was good enough for him. He just wanted me to hear him talk it seemed like. And as you said he never clued in that I was not interested. Thank you for sharing this video. It has really helped me to move on peacefully. I still care about him but I know there is nothing I can do to change the fact that it is all about him and always will be. There is too much going on in his head to ever let me in and have a healthy relationship. I knew it on the 1st date. Six years later I finally couldn't take it anymore..........and then ended it. And you know what? He just blames it all on me. He really has no clue...But you know what, that's o.k. I'll except that if it makes him feel better. I don't need to be right. I just needed to be done. Thanks again for all the information and help.
joanne omg same in my relationship! Five years in and its maddening! He never asks me anything about me or my life! Would rather talk at me, telling me the same thing over and over, rather than having sex! Im over it.
This is me in some ways but 14 years in and married. He will occasionally ask me about myself but I’m usually so exhausted and worked things out internally I don’t have anything to share. He and his family talk about work constantly, he dad calls him multiple times a day, every day it’s just tiresome. I often just stay in another part of the house.
Joanne, I have a friend just like this! Finally ended it a week ago after 2 years of listening to her complain with no concern about me or my needs or problems! She’s not a “bad person” I’ve known her for years! But I had to end this extremely one sided situationship that was draining me dry! It’s been SO peaceful the last few days not having my brains scrambled by that nattering of negativity! ❤️
I can relate to it all, 11 years in, and Just learning about this. My partner has this problem. Everything out of her mouth, is a complaint. This hurts, that hurts, she doesn't feel like this, or that. Constantly bringing up work, rambling about problems, Constantly telling stories of her life/childhood, She says the same things over and over a lot of times. Its hard to get a word in! She has the need to over explain things. No matter how bored I sound, she doesn't stop. Smh. She's easily triggered, so it doesn't take much to spark a rant! Then me being introverted, with ADD. lts pure misery sometimes. I feel so drained when she's around. Smh.
Similar story in my family. My mom and I left him after 30 years, 30 years too long. We endured him all the time and still he blamed everything on us. Now we don't know if he's really more healthy living alone (if he's not I'm sure he would also blame it on us for leaving him) but we surely are. We were ill all the time when we were with him. What's ironic is that he has moved a few times since we separated, and he always blamed it on his neighbors being too noisy. He recently bought a new house very far away and he's going to move next year. My mom wants to help him pack and move this time. I wonder if it's going to be the last time he moves, since he's getting really old. We told him to live somewhere close to us so we can help him if anything happens and he doesn't listen, he never listens to anyone.
Being in a relationship with a talkaholic was the most desperately lonely time in my entire life. The constant dismissal and rejection. I used to mentally refer to him as “the auctioneer” because he would talk faster and faster during conflicts. And, just like in the video, I used to put the phone down and go get a coffee or snack and he wouldn’t even notice. Finally, during one of the hours-long talking sessions, where he appeared to be raging, but insisted “I’m not ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” , I smashed a vase on the floor to just somehow make a break in the wall of talk/shouting at me and get his attention. Because of that, he said the relationship ended because I had a propensity toward “physical violence”. I still get a knot in my stomach when I think of the talking and am so glad he is gone.
OMG! And its also very tiring I find. This person you speak of sounds like the "victim" type. Blaming everyone but them selves and when you broke the vase, he probably realised that you were about to set a boundary! So he broke up with you to let you know that he is in control, not you! I have a self centered older sister who talks insessently who behaves badly if she doesn't get what she wants!
WOW. Ive searched high and low for someone to say what I have been experiencing and I feel like you've just taken everything Im experiencing and put words to it. I could cry. Thank you
Glad this video resonates, thank you for sharing it was so moving for you. If this video speaks to you then you may also be interested in the Relationship Quiz. www.healingattachmenttrauma.com/iyr_quiz_2
A lot of behavior I see seems driven by a fear of silence. That what they're really creating a barrier from is their own thoughts and feelings. They have to talk or have music/tv on loud at all times to drown out the demons
As a care taker people pleaser I endured hours of boring being talked at. Now that I'm not a people pleaser I no longer allow myself to be a doorpost. I disengage as soon as possible & tho I still get a twinge of guilt it is worth the sweet relief of not listening anymore. Your video finally gave me the why of this - as an emotional wall for protection. I thought it was a symptom of mental illness. Loving your videos and spreading the word!
Hi. Actually I am one of those excessive talkers myself. I call it babbling. I know it is most of the time disrespectful for the person at the end of my talking. It is actually not about connecting, the other person doesn't really play a role, beside providing the safe space for processing myself. I do it to structure my intrusive thoughts, to get some clearity into my crazy mind (I am deeply traumatized).... The person doing it cannot stop it or connect with the other person at that moment, as the inner storm is so huge, that there is no space for anyone else - it is not a communication therefore. I can imagine, it is hard for someone who has to endure it.
Silvia Schultz the first step in changing a behavior is awareness and you have let all of us know that you know what you're doing and why. Michael Jackson said talk to the person in the mirror. That's where change begins. Whew
Silvia Schulz thanks for being so open about this! As an INFP personality type I call these people (venters), because they use others to vent their thoughts on. For me, it’s exhausting to be on the receiving end of a venter. I avoid those people at all cost..
My husband (now estranged) did this. Actually, it’s part of his charm, at least at first blush. He never talks about himself. It’s always his ideas about literature, culture, critical theory, etc., including sassy dish about writers, artists, etc. The “audience” eats it up. As did I, when I first met him. But after 20 years with a husband who engaged in all three of the communication styles that Alan discussed in this and the two preceding videos, I was drowning and suffocating and finally found the courage to leave.
So what do you suggest inna situation where a woman is dating a man like this .she's bought it up to make him aware and he is somewhat aware.? Do you ask them to watch Alan's videos? Ask jim to seek therapy et? I'm just not sure what to do and I am a person that really thrives on true connecting not just surface level.
I’m 72 years old and have been not allowed to talk at all or interrupted way too much ( all my life ) by various people that are incapable of being silent. I often just give up on people and let them blab and blab and blab ENDLESSLY. Here is what works for me. I try hard to avoid those people at all cost. Thus the problem is solved. Out of sight , out of mind.
A friend did this to me at a lunch date and I said-hey let’s talk about the restaurant decor-I’d like to be more involved in the conversation. And she looked at me very surprised but then the rest rest went over well. Some people just need a gentle reminder.
@@AlanRobargeHealingTraumaAnd Alan, we SO much appreciate your work. You are a breath of springtime amidst a landscape of self-helpers who really are not.😐🫤😦. They are only on RUclips to rehash THEIR dealings with difficult people. You, however, give us REAL information and tools to help. Thank you again.
A talk/not talker almost never asks questions. My mother is exactly this type of absorbed strategist. It’s sad and frustrating that she doesn’t understand how to connect. I hadn’t framed her behaviour this way before - thanks for sharing these ideas.
Yes!! I completely agree with you!! These people will not ask questions. It's almost like they don't care how your doing, how was work today, how was your trip to Spain!?????!!! I know so many of these people. Their phone call usually starts out as, "I called because I have to tell you......" or 'I called because I need you to ......".
You've truly 'hit the nail on the head'!!! People talking and telling stories of other people 3 times removed from our relationship!! I don't understand these people. I don't even know your sister-in-law much less than her mother's brother's friend!! I don't care about that they are refinancing their mortgage! etc etc etc. I can't take it anymore. So what's the answer? Cut off the relationship?? When you mentioned the 'seeds' that you plant in the conversation to turn it around to a relevant, emotional point that I'm sharing about myself and it gets run over by flood of nonsense coming from the talkers mouth. Very hurtful!! Extremely dismissive. This is why the I don't bother to contribute to this sea of words.
Glad this spoke to you. Thanks for your reflections. You have great awareness. I can empathize with how these dynamics can be hurtful. If you're curious about learning how to navigate relationship dynamics you may like the course, The Four Attachment Distress Responses. Take the quiz to learn more: www.alanrobarge.com/adrquiz
i used to be drawn to the "talk to much and not listen" types....i felt comfortable around them. being known was too darn scary for me at that time. i had so much shame and truly did not know my true self....i deliberately steered the convo towards them if it veered off towards me. panic set in......now, i have it mostly figured out. the "talk too much" types now annoy the crap out of me and i find myself staying away from them. at first it was hard because i found myself "all alone" until i realized i needed to develop my love for self and learn to be my own best friend. it has made all the difference in the world!! thanks for the information here, alan xo
These Emotional Unavailability videos are priceless! I just stopped seeing someone who did this but I didn't realize it fully until now. I got pulled into the content because he's an interesting person and I liked hearing about him and his life as we were still getting to know each other... but there was always a feeling of him hiding behind the talking and whenever I could get a word in, there was practically no or only minimal response before he went back to his monologue. The "niceness" was confusing as hell, also. Don't even get me started on "delayed responding"...! It was hard letting go, because I feel for him as I was once deeply avoidant, too. But (sadly) I can't change anyone... and I want more from my relationships. Thank you for talking about this.
I’ve been on both sides of this one. When I’ve over-talked, it has been anxiety-driven and, afterwards, I’ve been so embarrassed. But my listening to others is also a way to not fully connect while feeling better about myself. I am not thrilled about my life, so I don’t want to talk about it. I most often do all the listening and I ask great questions that keep the other person talking and revealing themselves. But then it is time to part ways and we haven’t talked about my life at all. And it allows me to feel very thoughtful and helpful and supportive. Afterwards, I find I want to binge eat because I feel like there is no room for me in the relationship. I feel both superior on some level and devalued, all of which I’ve created/colluded with. It is so frustrating and hard to break the habit.
I like the phrase "talking/not talking." It says it all. Now I know where the suffocating feelings come from, the sense of being trapped with no escape and the low frustration tolerance. Thanks for laying it out clearly.
Was in a long distance relationship with someone like this for a year, when the lightbulb finally switches on and you realise that even though you talk for hours on the phone you never really discuss anything, it really hurts. You realise that the other person isn’t even interested in knowing you. After the breakup I tried to get them back and just to hit the point home, when I asked if they missed me, they told me that they just missed talking to me 😂
It sucks , I have friends like that you cannot discuss anything and they change subjects . However I keep them as friends to hang out with and hope to meet new friends . I d still keep them but will try to hang out as a group and see them less often . At least they are willing to hang out . I think they are insecure and maybe hiding something so that’s why you cannot discuss anything . It’s sad . All I know is that couldn’t marry a man like that , I’ve had few men who asked me out and you couid see in the first conversation that they weren’t really interested to get to know you and if a man approaches Me and can’t let me talk then he is not someone for me .
This is my mother. She loves to talk on the phone. I love her and have to check in with her each day, because she lives so far away, but from the moment we get on the phone the talking starts and she very rarely wants an actual conversation. She wants to talk, and tell stories. This isn't old age. She has been this way as far back as I remember.
This is my experience with my husband. Everything you are saying is what I feel. Yes! yes! It is not only that I can’t get a word in and that I can’t engage it’s that I feel I’m being asked to betray my sense of self and true identity. Not only does he do the non stop talking but every conversation seems to remind him of something from his childhood. He also does not listen when someone else speaks and seems to pause instead of listening and just wait until he can have more non stop talking again. If he noticed people are pulling back he tries to force conversation that no one wants to have. I’m getting to the point of saying this is not working for me. What you say is what we need to hear.
These sound like helpful reflections. Glad to hear this video helped you process. You mapped your thoughts out with good clarity. Good for you for seeking out resources to access deeper insight.
I’ve told my husband before that I didn’t want to hear the details of something and he’s told me that he doesn’t care, that he wants to say it. I talk very little to/with him because it turns into some logistical garbage pouring out of his mouth instead of a normal conversation. He says he wants to have conversations with me, but he has no idea how to have one. Then sometimes I’ll be taking and he lets himself be distracted by stupid things that could wait.
This is my husband, too. After 36 years of listening to him drone on and on, I finally realized that he only cares about listening to himself. I’ve heard the same stories and “lectures” hundreds of time. I just ignore him now. He can find someone else to listen to him; I’ve got better things to do.
I recently had 2 dates with a guy, we are in our 50’s, it was so strange that he talked about himself, but if I tried to talk about myself he did not even engage in that, he just went on about himself, this hit the nail on the head! I thought that “he was just not that into me”. This just saved my sanity! I felt that strange uncomfortable, something was so not right feeling that I had not ever remembered having before. Thank you!!
I grew up with a parent like this (as Alan said, they're talking to themselves, they're not really talking to you) and now as an adult I have no patience for people like this. The frustrating part is they are everywhere!!!
The thing I love about you Alan is you always show healthy examples of how it should be which I am totally lost on thank you for your healing and sharing
Thanks for this video. I have been feeling like an evil person for ending a relashionship a few weeks ago with a guy who talks too much and also seems to have anger management issues. He screams a lot, or the contrary; or was excesivelly happy, laughs at his own jokes that he repeats over them over and over...now I know that I made the right desicion.
Yes this was a major red flag on my first date with a recent short-term "relationship". We had just met for the first time & he launched into a story about a new radiator being installed. He went on for over an hour. He was uninterested in anything I tried to bring up or about my interests, he was so boring and disinterested I almost cried. Needless to say I ended up in a situation with someone who was entirely unavailable & got a bit hurt. I should have walked away. I'm glad this has been talked about here, as I thought it was all in my head.
This exact situation happened to me. Great clarity on this subject. Thanks in advance to Alan. The talker unconsciously uses you as a sounding board. I was naive to think it was some form of relating. I thought they were interested in me and my empathetic qualities. They were, but it became my primary use and overshadowed my inherent worth as a person that needed reciprocity as well. My mistake for allowing that quality to prove how valuable I was. I’m aware now that I’m a “prover” by being a good listener. I just can’t fathom someone caring or showing interest in you without you “working hard” in the relationship. I need to nix this people pleasing behavior before I collude with being taken advantage of again. I think I’m addicted to feeling useful to someone. 🤔 Hmm. Lots to work on so I don’t repeat that unhealthy dynamic with another “accidental” emotionally available person. Gosh, I choose people that reinforce how I need to work to be “loved”. 🤦🏻♀️
Thank you for this insightful look at your own motives in this dynamic. I'm an empathetic listener too and have the same belief about being a "prover" and needing to work hard to matter to anyone. I grew up in a family of narcissistic parents, so this belief comes so naturally! Am actually seeing a therapist who understands narcissistic abuse, codependency etc. Hope your journey is leading to a place where you know you are worthy of reciprocity in relationships!
It's more lonely than being alone. Once they leave and you're solitary again, you begin to recover and feel less isolated. It's like human companionship but with a negative sign in front.
Describes my in laws, sadly, perfectly! After visiting or otherwise engaging in contact with them I'm always left with the feeling that there was no content in the conversation (*more of a monologue than a conversation) and the whole thing was completely superficial! I keep contact to a minimum these days and feel much better as a result. Great video, you explain this phenomenon so clearly!
Thank you for making these videos about recognizing attachment trauma. Nothing else has explained the confusion that I have lived with for the past 31 years as well as these videos, including the non-stop talking. I am newly divorced and dating again, and your videos are helping me to recognize that what had been normal in my marriage is what destroyed my self esteem and my health. You have saved me from making this devastating mistake twice, and I know that when I have the money for a coach, I will call you.
Generally people like this fill uncomfortable silences. I think a real friend can sit and just be and be relaxed about it. It’s kind of like controlling the atmosphere with the talkers babble and they actually think they are interesting. I went on a tour and realised how insecure these non stop talkers were and how I needed my space to detox from them. Learning what parts of you that intuit a real connection.
My mother no matter what anyone says she always hijacks a conversation and makes it all about her and she even Chang the topic as if what the person wasn't saying anything important.
I have been on both sides of this. In a situation where I couldn't even squeeze in that I needed to call my dog in, so just did it anyway, and the person on the other end of the phone just kept on talking while I was calling my dog. Or in a relationship where I would be expressing myself and they would just start talking over top of me like I wasn't talking. But, I've also been on the side where I am doing all the talking, especially in cases where I try to engage the other person but even after asking a question I would get a one or two word answer and then dead air space...so I just filled it up. I find communicating with other people....other than "hey, how are you?" or other superficial nonsense....very challenging. No one seems to want to be "real".
Thank you so much for covering this topic. I have never heard a professional address this before, and it was quite validating. It's so obvious that non-stop talking could be a strategy to avoid vulnerability/connection (since I experience longing as a response), yet I could never see it that way; I could only see it as self-absorption. Looking forward to learning some strategies for how I can improve my relationships with benign talkers or at least just accept their behavior--I will keep listening to your content. Three years later, and you are helping me. Thank you again.
Wow, this really opened my eyes! For the last 7 months, I have been dating a lovely, lovely man who is a non-stop talker and recently I have started to feel myself pulling away because it's so obnoxious. He is sometimes so pressured that he will have spit froth coming out of his mouth or half-chewed food packed on either side of his tongue because he can't/won't stop to swallow. He talks about things he is doing and things he is interested in. He very seldom asks me about me or asks me for my opinion or thoughts regarding what he is talking about. You used the term "bulldoze" for the listener who wants to participate in the conversation. That's me. Mostly I just listen, but sometimes I have to bulldoze and it's no fun. I had no idea that his incessant talking could be a defense mechanism for keeping emotional distance, but that makes so much sense! He has told me many times that he doesn't think he is capable of truly loving and now I see that this is a symptom of his attachment issues, which likely come from being raised by an emotionally and verbally abusive father with anger issues. He is still friends with his ex-wife, from whom he amicably divorced after being married for probably over a decade (he has literally told me he doesn't know how long he was married to her) and he told me that they just drifted apart starting about 6 months into their marriage. I asked him if he loved her and he said he thinks maybe he did for a couple of months after they met, but then that went away. He said they weren't happy almost the whole time, but he isn't exactly sure why. I think now I know why. I wondered if there could be hope for a change in his behavior if I pointed it out to him from time to time and told him how it makes me feel. After watching this video, however, I am thinking that using that strategy, it's probably not likely. And if he does decide to address it, it would take years of his being in therapy. I'm 53--I don't really have that kind of time. I'm moving overseas early next year, so I'll probably just stay with him for now and deal with it knowing that it will end when I move. Thank you for this incredibly informative video!!
@@pigpink1971 Oh, yeah, I know that. That's why I said I'll stay with him for now until I move overseas and not try to "fix" him, which is ludicrous. After I posted the above comment, he and I went on vacation together to a state I used to live in. We stayed with a friend of mine and her husband. For 2 straight days, this man held court and talked NON-STOP. He was very pressured--almost manic. Two full, entire days. During this time, I had trouble even bulldozing my way through. He just talked right over me. The second day, I just left the room. It was a nice day so I went outside and read for hours before he came looking for me. I'm sure he had no idea I'd even left. He was directing all of his attention to my girlfriend, so he was giving her a few opportunities here and there to contribute to the conversation, but I was given no such opportunities. I was not included by him at all. At the end of the second day, I had it out with him. I told him he was monopolizing conversations and that he should stop sometimes to hear what others have to say. I told him it was rude to completely exclude people. All he said was, "Hmmm." That's it. I told him that hmmm was patronizing and I wanted an apology. I got a very insincere apology (I knew I would--that's the only kind you get when you have to ask for an apology). After that day, my already waning feelings for him shifted again and now I keep him at much more of a distance. I am happy to spend time with him 2 or 3 times a month. In moderation, he is enjoyable company. Again, if I wasn't leaving for overseas soon, I'd have long since dumped him completely.
I have a close family member like this. I find it incredibly frustrating. I’m afraid I can’t find any feeling of sympathy for them. I was interested in hearing what you have to say, although confused when you talked about wanting a deeper connection. I just want to spend as little time with them as possible. I perceive them as a vampire sucking energy out of everyone around them.
Wow. I know people like this. Never associated it with EU. Amazing. Thank you! Comes across as a type of venting or purging. I could put the phone down and come back 15 min later and never be missed is how it feels. Never did that but I could. It also happens with my friend in person. When we hike. He talks the entire time. Never considered it to be a disconnect.
After spending decades of holidays with family I realized that my mother and brother really knew nothing about me. They were so self-absorbed they did all the talking (I.e. complaining) to me and never asked me anything about myself. I knew better than to volunteer information because they would just tell others for their own self interest. I find myself with too many people like that, unfortunately.
Yes you talk and talk, but for good reason. My dad talked my ear off, my mother complained about it. Lately, she’s starting to do the same thing. God help me!
Unfortunately, this was me, in my last long-term relationship. I believe it was one of the key factors in what destroyed us. Alan, it’s amazing how you identify and describe such specific, problematic nuances in relationships.
Thanks for reflecting that. Glad this resonates. This topic also comes up in conversations in the Community Program, Improve Your Relationships. To learn more click here: www.alanrobarge.com/community
Thank you for this video! Got it in my recommendations. It is amazing how we receive answers to our questions! Am right now in the situation where emotionally unavailable person tries to make me maintain our relationship when i finally have decided to pull myself out of it. Before this video i wasn’t even able to formulate what exactly makes me feel so empty after any interaction with this “friend”. And you formulated it perfectly! She doesn’t connect with people on emotional level, and she doesn’t hear what other people say. And when she gets to talk there is no live conversation, it all suddenly becomes just her no talk/talking. She is never genuinely interested in anyone around her. She loves herself and sees only herself. And now when i started to behave with her in the same manner she is puzzled. For a few years that we know each other i was supposed to accept her behaviour and lack of genuine interest in other people as absolutely normal. Now i am showing her herself mirroring her usual behaviour - and she doesn’t like it! She doesn’t like to be on a receiver side.
This so resonates with me! I've been trying to describe this dynamic that my wife and I have, and you have captured it perfectly. She loves to talk and talk and talk about things that are going on at work--other things too but primarily work. And, I mean to the point that even an interruption to ask whom she's talking about or what relationship they might have to her can be very unpleasant. Over the years I have learned to more or less live with it, but I don't like it and I've never liked it. Rather than speaking to me it seems to be the way she processes her own thoughts. It's not that she is intentionally making me uncomfortable, but it does have a selfish aspect to it in that my attention seems to be required and I get so little out of it. Then as reward for my complicity in denying myself, she returns the favor by ignoring me or misunderstanding me when I'm speaking. . . .
@James, this sounds very painful. I am glad this video spoke to your dilemma. The reason I created the membership community, Improve Your Relationships is because many of us have stories like yours. We see the pattern over time. We keep doing the same thing. We see the suffering. We have to choose to change the pattern. We need a plan of self-directed healing. This is what we talk about in the membership community. You are invited to join us. Here is the info: www.alanrobarge.com/community
the difference is that you are aware that you are talking and talking. And that you are even making a little joke about it. Thank you for your work and enlightening videos and thanks for making me smile at the end of this one. greetings from the Netherlands
I am astounded by this video. I never had the words to describe what I was feeling during conversation after Conversation like you are describing above. My love interest was an attorney, that talked nonstop either about his work or about his childhood, or about his life. There was never any room or any interest in anything about me.
Alan, I realise it's ironic that you're talking about people who do non-stop talking. But with you it's actual meaningful content. You do repeat yourself but it's usually to drive a point home. It helps the viewer absorb the information as to not forget. Thank you for what you do. You are helping so many people.
I do this sometimes and end up in to many relationships with people who do it too because we have so much pent up panic about being heard from our mentally ill emotionally abusive fathers so we don't know how to calm down and communicate slower because there's so much panic behind processing what other people are saying panicking that we won't be able to offer the connection they need to sustain safer feeling conversations
Being exposed to this behavior has definitely taught me to copy it. That when I DO get a break in the conversation and manage to take the floor, I have to say **everything ever** all at once because I won't get another chance to speak. And since I have a difficult time putting my thoughts in order, I have to do that while other people are talking to the detriment of my ability to listen. Because they won't wait for me when they're finally finished.
This is Jennifer Sinclair. Oh my God, this video is all about my mother!!!!!!!! Non-stop talking and never getting authentic or deep!!!!! This guy must KNOW MY MOTHER!!!!!!!! This guy is brilliant!!!!!!!!
Thank you for keeping this video so real and human.. People like you more important than ever today in a world where everyone thinks they have to be perfect.That's just not being human at all. It's not easy to feel so much. Thank you 🎉🎉
I like how you put the focus on ourselves so we can determine what works for us instead of defining the other. Identifying their behavior is helpful and then decide if I want to distance because if it’s a pattern and/or been addressed with them and no change, then better to distance from them and not look for engagement except when necessary. Thank you!
Spot on explanation of my last relationship!! If I dared to jump in , I would get a stare and he would pick up where he left off .. or the “ let me finish” ..Thank you for clarifying this behavior
To all you armchair psychologists in the comments, some of us do not know how to regulate our talking for 101 reasons, a lot of them based in trauma, but they are not all about being self absorbed or narcissistic. Some of us have anxiety through the roof and were taught by a non stop talking parent how to talk to self sooth. So if you want to take responsibility for yourself you need to speak up, not nastily or in a judgemental way, but just to get you obvious need to be heard as well met by a talker. We NEED you to speak up and interrupt often as we do not know when to stop and it is so comforting it takes on a life of it's own. So please stop commiserating with the other quiet people and start speaking up, otherwise how will we KNOW you are secretly hating it if you smile and nod and stay on the phone for hours like a trained seal for eff's sake ? WE do not like or trust someone who thinks secret thoughts about us and does not just speak up !!!!!
Alan, you describe the relationship with no relating remarkably well! It will help me to get through next Friday...I appreciate your approach, Alan. You describe the situation so well from the viewpoint of the one who is treated as a piece of furniture. "Why am I even here?"
Thank you for the feedback and thank you for valuing my effort. Glad my work speaks to you. I hear you about feeling like a piece of furniture. Many of us can relate. This topic also comes up in conversations in the Community Program, Improve Your Relationships. I welcome you joining us: www.alanrobarge.com/community
@@AlanRobargeHealingTrauma Thank you, Alan. Your skill is exceptional to put different situations in verbal forms. That in turn helps healing, it kind of brings detachment to one's personal, even painful experience.
This was what I needed to remember/acknowledge/learn today. My stepdad does this, ALL THE TIME. It’s the colluding with engagement, it’s completely out of line with my values for connecting or spending time engaging in emotionally valuable exchanges.
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i've been monopolising conversations for a very long time, to the point i acknowledge it out loud and have to clear up to people that not only are they welcome to interrupt me whenever and in fact i'd be grateful if they did because it's a defense mechanism i have so internalised i space out as i do it :/ depends how i'm feeling but on good days i can limit myself enough to scale it back to more of an orquestration of the conversation, others can participate but only when cued and keeping it relevant to that moments subject, i do notice the emotional disposition of others but thats not enough to stop me :S my response doesn't move beyond telling more jokes in hopes of adressing the mood :( and i 200% do it out of both emotional constipation and socially anxious dependence on the illussion of control ;_; i'm not trying to be malicious, i'm just afraid to the point of irrationality
My mom is 74 years old and since my dad died 12 years ago (he was a SOB and she never dared to leave him) she started the non stop talking. She love to receive visitors and to cook and to talk talk talk. Last 3 years have been hard for me in other matters and I received 0 support from her. Every time I tried to talk about me she interrupts me again and again. I think she knows something is wrong with me but she doesn’t want to deal with it. Is so uncomfortable to visit her on weekends and holidays because of the monologue.
Wow, the person who is not engaged, has more control. Thats a mouthful. How are you able to put into words the things we experience in these situations? Described as gridlock is so spot on. You’re in our heads. And and we need the repeated examples. (Bc Half the time I spend 45 seconds thinking about something you just said that’s totally profound and I miss the next point that you make) I didn’t even know I was colluding to the conditioning of non-relating. Its mind numbing and has caused depression and I feel demented sometimes, ha. What you’re describing, it is exactly how I feel. Waiting for it to be over, waiting at the bus stop, where is the pause? I cannot wrap my head around why somebody would choose not to connect.
I have literally put the phone down walked away and come back to hear the person still talking! I now interrupt or cut people off. My daughter chastised me once for walking away from a lady we ran into who wouldn't stop talking. I'm tired of people who can't listen!
This video is very confusing to me. I talk... A lot as a way of relating. I talk in an effort to build closeness. I realize at times I talk way too much. I've been mindful of that and try to shut up a lot. However in my marriage, which is now over (separated pending divorce) I always got the sense that I was talking at him and he never responded. So I kept talking in an effort to get him to engage. This video worries me. I thought he was emotionally unavailable. But according to this it's me? I have worked I'm being a good listener and feel like I'm able to do that with others but never felt connected to him. So confused
Since this is your channel, it is appropriate for you to take center stage and monologue your ideas because that is what we r here for as listeners and learners
I love these videos! So much of this information matches my experiences and I feel like I am really beginning to understand these weird relationship dynamics I have been a part of.
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Alan Robarge / Attachment Trauma Therapist Thank you for the reply! I am wrapped up in introspection at the moment, but perhaps I will join at a later date. I have been recommending these videos to others, though!
Thanks Erica. I also have folks who support the work by joining the community but don't actually participate. They sign up as patrons. Thanks for recommending the videos to others. I appreciate it.
You are so good at defining what’s going on and why my radar systems are beeping yet I can’t seem to figure out why. You make for a great BFF! Thank you for sharing your insights, this is so helpful and validating my experiences
To the folks who say that they stop having friendships based on this. I said that once too. But it is thru these types of interactions that we come to heal/know what in our unconscious sets us up for this dynamic. It is our unconscious that directs our life. Depth psychology has been incredibly valuable to me in this regard. To entirely blame the other leaves us unsealed/unwhole. I learned the value of persevering with these painful relationships and using them as a study in how my unconscious flared up, how I projected, how I defended (my right to be heard etc). Not enough therapists are talking about how boundaries walk us off and prevent deep and meaningful growth
I got a lot out of this video. and also the comments section. I talk a lot. I'm trying to look at it, and see how I can improve. My partner has started to point this out to me, and though I feel I am not an extreme case, and I am somewhat self aware, I still need improvement. Thanks for doing videos like this. I also happen to be in tourism, and find myself constantly trying to pull out emotion and authenticity from my guests. Thank you for helping me become more self aware.
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After months of therapy, I realised that my difficulty connecting to people had a lot to do with my parents' poor communication skills. My mom is EXACTLY like what you're describing. For the most part, she does not, will not, stop talking. She will talk intensely about one thing for ten minutes, then jump to a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC without any warning at all, and throw her intensity there as well. It's ridiculous - and sad, because I know she feels really lonely, and most of the time she's too insecure to admit it.
Glad this video resonated and sparked reflection for you. This is helpful processing. Communication skills is a topic threaded through the discussions in the Improve Your Relationships Community. It is based on a Self-Directed Healing approach that can help strengthen our voice. Good for you exploring for clarity.
Alan, I hope you don't feel bad about repeating yourself! It's nice to have those reminders to help reinforce what you are talking about. And to be honest, I never even notice that you are doing it. Keep up the great videos! I really like the way you explain things.
What Alan said! I’ve been with a person for 5 years now and it’s so obvious that this is what’s going on. I liked the “talking, not talking” narrative. It more or less puts me at a crossroad in the future as I’ve tried to address certain avoidant behaviors and find actual connection. As I see it now, where I am is exactly where I’ll be in 25 years unless there’s some sort of neurological restructuring. Love your talks!
Glad to hear you resonate with this content. This type of reflecting is helpful. So good we're talking about these dynamics. Thanks for valuing my work. If you haven't already heard about it, you may also like the course, The Four Attachment Distress Responses. Take the quiz to learn more www.alanrobarge.com/adrquiz The course is one response to changing this pattern.
I think you did a fabulous job explaining things. Thanks for putting this out there. Many people aren't aware. As an emotionally parentified child who was forced to deal with this, I can testify that what you say is true.
It makes me feel like I have to escape behind closed doors, but my brother will talk for hours, ask stupid questions, argue about unimportant details such as, what time before he got home did I bring in my pet in the house. He can not focus on getting ready, bandaging open wounds, making his lunch, taking care of himself and his messes, but will stop me from doing a task so that he can recall every benign detail of a story that is unimportant. I feel like I have to struggle to have privacy inside my own head. To him it's rude to interrupt even when you thought he was done. He says, "anyways back to My story". Or if my mom and I talk about a task we are doing, he says, "I feel like I haven't got a word in edgewise". I do not know how to handle.his constant need for attention.
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I have experienced this. With a boyfriend. I was expected to be a "listener" always. He would tell me things about interactions he had, or experiences, or things he had learned.. I would try to relate by making comments during a pause- but mostly just listening - saying "uh huh" or "oh wow" ..etc... but usually when I would try to comment - I would be told I was very rude and interrupting - that he wasn't done talking yet.. It is confusing because I was only trying to relate and share my experimences and ideas ... does anybody else have this happen? More than one person in my life has gotten very irate with me saying it is very rude. Am I just missing the meaning of conversation? How to know when to talk or just listen? Do some people dominate and not expect to listen as well?
I know exactly what you mean. Conversation can certainly seem like an "art" in that way. It's a delicate balance of give and take between people. If a person has gone on and on about something and several minutes have gone by and there has been no "cue" to include you in the conversation, then it is definitely time to start picking a place to chime in. I usually collect a few things in my mind that I want to ask or add to what the person is saying. Then I wait for a pause. If the pause doesn't come and it's been like over five minutes, then pick the next "but" or "um" or other insignificant word the other person uses to fill the air, and jump in. You deserve to be heard in a conversation too! Otherwise interrupt with some excuse to exit the conversation. Like "Oh crap, I have to go pick up my laundry" or something, haha. If a person has been going on and on, and when you try to chime in they get offended, that's a clue that they are overly self-entitled. I would find ways to avoid somebody like that. They obviously don't want a REAL conversation. How boring :p
Yes I get this a lot what a bunch of people at work and my family members, or just random people I noticed that when it's time for me to talk they changed the subject and they think I'm rude when I speak up on my behalf
I was married to this type of person. Just couldn't "partner" with her. Felt like I had to keep asking her to participate. She just kept talking about absolutely nothing. She's tolerable as a friend, but it still gets tiresome. I wish it would have been different.
I just realized I do this. And it's so relieving to know. I do it because I'm very afraid of connection. And I lost hope to get it because when I was a child there wasn't anybody who I could connect with. I need to find someone I can trust, who is able to connect, then learn to trust and then be in present moment with him, be quiet and mindfull.
Great insight on how this pattern connects with childhood history. Glad this video sparked reflection for you. It's so important that we keep talking about self-protective behaviors that also cause us to be emotionally unavailable. Thanks for your comment.
I'm the talker. I'm aware of how annoying it is. BUT, not when it's happening. In fact, I'm not even aware that it's happening when it's happening. The way I'd describe it, it's like I have these little doors in my mind with a traumatic story behind each door and I don't know what the triggers are but I basically run and lock myself behind one of those doors and start telling every detail of that story. I black out competely, I'm not with the person anymore. Sometimes I'd snap out of it and forget where I am or who I'm talking "to" and I immediatly feel a rush of shame and guilt. I've been in therapy on and off for over 20 years (currently on for the past 5 years) and it's only recently that I've been able to talk about it. While working on it, I've whidrawn from social life because I can't stand doing that to people.
I like that you repeat the point a few times in different ways as it can be difficult to understand a concept with just one example. So I think that you should continue to teach us with such clarity 😊
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Wow this is exactly with my mother. I have stopped trying to engage in conversation. My husband bought me ear pods, when my mother starts talking I switch on a podcast or listen to music. I look up and nod once in a while- I see her mouth moving but I can't hear what she says. Sad thing is my mother doesn't even notice that I am unresponsive to her.
I hear you. These can be challenging dynamics. Many can relate with not feeling seen or heard. Thanks for your reflections. If you like this video and would like to learn more about how these patterns get set up then you may be interested in the course, The Four Attachment Distress Responses. Take the quiz to learn more. www.alanrobarge.com/adrquiz
This is the dynamic I have with my boss. Extra awkward because I need the work. For a long time I thought he was trying to be a friend, or was lonely. Then it dawned on me that it's neither and he uses me so I will now be politely exiting his long monologues.
Well i grow up next to a mother was literally hunting me with her constant talking. I have found myself non stop talking for a short time, i had the energetic sensation i was doing exactly the same... but i can tell you it was the time when i get used to silent treatment as he used to slide there without a reason. The loving person was fading into a stranger. He was the one actuallly emotional unavailable but to keep calm in myself and to ignore the fact what he is doing i tried searching for connection, but was continously refused, and i become clingy in this verbal level i guess. Than i quit doing it and i could feel his despice towards me. Than i felt asamed being the same awful as my mother was with me, pure self hate built up on it in me. Such a horrible thing, after going through constant silent treatments and betrayals. So ugly. I forgive myself to be like this so happy i did not see this video in that time to tell me i am such a horrible person. I love your videos they are helping me a lot, i just want to point out that not everything is what it seems.
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This is Jennifer Sinclair. You are what keeps me sane. This is all about my MOTHER!!!!!!!! No one else has EVER articulated this and why it happens!!!!!!
Thank you for this video. I usually get caught with people like that so trying to wake up to it and move on. Nice to hear it explained I’ve been the listener my whole life!
Well I like the way you talk and explain things. That is a skill needed to convey information in a digestible form. Thank you for your videos!
I stopped having friends because these are the people I attract. I'm a listener. I'm done sitting for hours listening to people talk about themselves never asking anything about me or when I say something it is ignored. I can't stand seeing people in restaurants talking someone's head off about themselves and the person/ people with them are just nodding and saying oh? Really? Okay. Blah blah blah. I'm done hanging out with someone who loves the sound of their own voice and is entirely self-centered. I'd rather be alone.
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I'm getting to that point. It's exhausting.
Same here, I atttract those types.
Exactly.
Same. Happens every time I decide to get up and actively try opening up and making friends. A part of me dies and it feels like a constant cycle.
Then people tease me for being "shy" and "quiet".
This reminds me of a friend I have. I would fall asleep while on the phone with her. She was incredibly self absorbed and I enabled her. BUT, when I broke up with my boyfriend and needed to talk, she left the conversation and said she had to go. The next time we spoke I said "Hey, i have been your "unofficial therapist for 2yrs and you cannot listen to me for one conversation?". So I drew the line and blew her off. 6 yrs later we are confined. She was worried about me and got a message to me asking for my new #. She wanted to start the old cycle. I told her right in the first conversation ' I cannot be listening to all your stuff like I used to'. I cannot be her 'free' therapist anymore.
Good for you
If you reconnected with her, did she honor the boundary or what is the same old thing? A couple of my friends can't seem to help themselves and I've lost patience.
The obsession with themselves is like a pathology they cannot help until its causing them enough issues where they reevaluate and want to be better. Unfortunately, there’s always gonna be someone who “overlistens” to enable that overtalking behavior though. If its not you they may find another “host”
Almost all my friendships & my parents were like this. I’ve learned to value my own company as being more sustaining & fulfilling than these so called relationships. I was so conditioned as a child to be the listening ear, that it’s difficult for me to talk at all with some people.
@@mindset_olympics2 I wonder if these people suffer from inability to have an inner dialog with themselves before talking - do they perhaps need a listener to create structure in their thinking?
This happens a lot to me. I used to sit and listen attentively and be polite. Now if someone talks at me I will listen to a point but then disengage and will disconnect from the conversation even if that means, worse case scenario, getting up and walking away.
All the talking does my head in... i distance myself with these types of people now... ❤❤
My friend does this. She is so absorbed with her own problems and thoughts you cant get a word in. I spend a lot less time with her now.
That happened with me and my cousin she was always monopolizing the conversation let alone the text.
It’s draining to talk with these people. They even will continuously cut you off if you attempt to get a word in
That's my toxic family members
I have business partner like that and it's draining
@@jbela Mine too. I thought it was a Midwest thing.
Oof, just described my entire office.
Exactly.
When you are the only one worried about being respectful...
I bought my mom a shirt that said, "Help, I'm talking and I can't shut up!" I never had the nerve to give it to her.
I understand 💯
If that were me I would just get it and always wear it whenever I saw her lol or any known person that does not shut up. By the way, I need that shirt!
@@virgomanifesting5414 *chuckle*
Moms are the worse
Perfect! I need this for my mom. But she is so overly sensitive she would be so hurt.
Being in this exact situation for six years I understand. This video has really given me some clarity. I have been beating myself up for years being in this long term relationship with the emotionally removed talker. He was a good man to me but he never shut the hell up and constantly complaining and would tell the same stories over and over and over again. Yes, I was the huh huh person on the other end of the one sided conversation 90 percent of the time. And that was good enough for him. He just wanted me to hear him talk it seemed like. And as you said he never clued in that I was not interested. Thank you for sharing this video. It has really helped me to move on peacefully. I still care about him but I know there is nothing I can do to change the fact that it is all about him and always will be. There is too much going on in his head to ever let me in and have a healthy relationship. I knew it on the 1st date. Six years later I finally couldn't take it anymore..........and then ended it. And you know what? He just blames it all on me. He really has no clue...But you know what, that's o.k. I'll except that if it makes him feel better. I don't need to be right. I just needed to be done. Thanks again for all the information and help.
joanne omg same in my relationship! Five years in and its maddening! He never asks me anything about me or my life! Would rather talk at me, telling me the same thing over and over, rather than having sex! Im over it.
This is me in some ways but 14 years in and married. He will occasionally ask me about myself but I’m usually so exhausted and worked things out internally I don’t have anything to share. He and his family talk about work constantly, he dad calls him multiple times a day, every day it’s just tiresome. I often just stay in another part of the house.
Joanne, I have a friend just like this! Finally ended it a week ago after 2 years of listening to her complain with no concern about me or my needs or problems! She’s not a “bad person” I’ve known her for years! But I had to end this extremely one sided situationship that was draining me dry! It’s been SO peaceful the last few days not having my brains scrambled by that nattering of negativity! ❤️
I can relate to it all, 11 years in, and Just learning about this. My partner has this problem. Everything out of her mouth, is a complaint. This hurts, that hurts, she doesn't feel like this, or that. Constantly bringing up work, rambling about problems, Constantly telling stories of her life/childhood, She says the same things over and over a lot of times. Its hard to get a word in! She has the need to over explain things. No matter how bored I sound, she doesn't stop. Smh. She's easily triggered, so it doesn't take much to spark a rant! Then me being introverted, with ADD. lts pure misery sometimes. I feel so drained when she's around. Smh.
Similar story in my family. My mom and I left him after 30 years, 30 years too long. We endured him all the time and still he blamed everything on us. Now we don't know if he's really more healthy living alone (if he's not I'm sure he would also blame it on us for leaving him) but we surely are. We were ill all the time when we were with him. What's ironic is that he has moved a few times since we separated, and he always blamed it on his neighbors being too noisy. He recently bought a new house very far away and he's going to move next year. My mom wants to help him pack and move this time. I wonder if it's going to be the last time he moves, since he's getting really old. We told him to live somewhere close to us so we can help him if anything happens and he doesn't listen, he never listens to anyone.
Being in a relationship with a talkaholic was the most desperately lonely time in my entire life. The constant dismissal and rejection. I used to mentally refer to him as “the auctioneer” because he would talk faster and faster during conflicts. And, just like in the video, I used to put the phone down and go get a coffee or snack and he wouldn’t even notice. Finally, during one of the hours-long talking sessions, where he appeared to be raging, but insisted “I’m not ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” , I smashed a vase on the floor to just somehow make a break in the wall of talk/shouting at me and get his attention. Because of that, he said the relationship ended because I had a propensity toward “physical violence”. I still get a knot in my stomach when I think of the talking and am so glad he is gone.
Maybe I need to break a vase. 😉
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OMG! And its also very tiring I find. This person you speak of sounds like the "victim" type. Blaming everyone but them selves and when you broke the vase, he probably realised that you were about to set a boundary! So he broke up with you to let you know that he is in control, not you! I have a self centered older sister who talks insessently who behaves badly if she doesn't get what she wants!
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WOW. Ive searched high and low for someone to say what I have been experiencing and I feel like you've just taken everything Im experiencing and put words to it. I could cry. Thank you
Glad this video resonates, thank you for sharing it was so moving for you.
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I work with a young woman like this. It's exactly like you say, there's no turn taking. And she fears silence I think.
A lot of behavior I see seems driven by a fear of silence. That what they're really creating a barrier from is their own thoughts and feelings. They have to talk or have music/tv on loud at all times to drown out the demons
As a care taker people pleaser I endured hours of boring being talked at. Now that I'm not a people pleaser I no longer allow myself to be a doorpost. I disengage as soon as possible & tho I still get a twinge of guilt it is worth the sweet relief of not listening anymore. Your video finally gave me the why of this - as an emotional wall for protection. I thought it was a symptom of mental illness. Loving your videos and spreading the word!
me too
Lol “twinge of guilt” but definitely true
It is a symptom.
Hi. Actually I am one of those excessive talkers myself. I call it babbling. I know it is most of the time disrespectful for the person at the end of my talking. It is actually not about connecting, the other person doesn't really play a role, beside providing the safe space for processing myself. I do it to structure my intrusive thoughts, to get some clearity into my crazy mind (I am deeply traumatized).... The person doing it cannot stop it or connect with the other person at that moment, as the inner storm is so huge, that there is no space for anyone else - it is not a communication therefore. I can imagine, it is hard for someone who has to endure it.
Silvia Schultz the first step in changing a behavior is awareness and you have let all of us know that you know what you're doing and why. Michael Jackson said talk to the person in the mirror. That's where change begins. Whew
Wow perfectly put were survival mode not living a ZOE life.
U explained it pretty well... too many thoughts to process, n u feel like ur going to forget. Every detail has to be said to be understood...
Silvia Schulz thanks for being so open about this! As an INFP personality type I call these people (venters), because they use others to vent their thoughts on. For me, it’s exhausting to be on the receiving end of a venter. I avoid those people at all cost..
I can tell
My husband (now estranged) did this. Actually, it’s part of his charm, at least at first blush. He never talks about himself. It’s always his ideas about literature, culture, critical theory, etc., including sassy dish about writers, artists, etc. The “audience” eats it up. As did I, when I first met him. But after 20 years with a husband who engaged in all three of the communication styles that Alan discussed in this and the two preceding videos, I was drowning and suffocating and finally found the courage to leave.
So what do you suggest inna situation where a woman is dating a man like this .she's bought it up to make him aware and he is somewhat aware.? Do you ask them to watch Alan's videos? Ask jim to seek therapy et? I'm just not sure what to do and I am a person that really thrives on true connecting not just surface level.
I’m 72 years old and have been not allowed to talk at all or interrupted way too much ( all my life ) by various people that are incapable of being silent. I often just give up on people and let them blab and blab and blab ENDLESSLY. Here is what works for me. I try hard to avoid those people at all cost. Thus the problem is solved. Out of sight , out of mind.
A friend did this to me at a lunch date and I said-hey let’s talk about the restaurant decor-I’d like to be more involved in the conversation.
And she looked at me very surprised but then the rest rest went over well.
Some people just need a gentle reminder.
This is great! My husband is a monologue king! 25 years of marriage and this hits the nail on the head! Thank you for articulating what I couldn’t ❤️
I appreciate the feedback. Glad this content is of benefit for you. Thanks for valuing my work.
Yes. After awhile it feels as if I am in a college lecture and need to be taking notes, or something.🙄😐🫤
@@AlanRobargeHealingTraumaAnd Alan, we SO much appreciate your work. You are a breath of springtime amidst a landscape of self-helpers who really are not.😐🫤😦. They are only on RUclips to rehash THEIR dealings with difficult people. You, however, give us REAL information and tools to help. Thank you again.
A talk/not talker almost never asks questions. My mother is exactly this type of absorbed strategist. It’s sad and frustrating that she doesn’t understand how to connect.
I hadn’t framed her behaviour this way before - thanks for sharing these ideas.
Yes!! I completely agree with you!! These people will not ask questions. It's almost like they don't care how your doing, how was work today, how was your trip to Spain!?????!!! I know so many of these people. Their phone call usually starts out as, "I called because I have to tell you......" or 'I called because I need you to ......".
You've truly 'hit the nail on the head'!!! People talking and telling stories of other people 3 times removed from our relationship!! I don't understand these people. I don't even know your sister-in-law much less than her mother's brother's friend!! I don't care about that they are refinancing their mortgage! etc etc etc. I can't take it anymore. So what's the answer? Cut off the relationship?? When you mentioned the 'seeds' that you plant in the conversation to turn it around to a relevant, emotional point that I'm sharing about myself and it gets run over by flood of nonsense coming from the talkers mouth. Very hurtful!! Extremely dismissive. This is why the I don't bother to contribute to this sea of words.
Glad this spoke to you. Thanks for your reflections. You have great awareness. I can empathize with how these dynamics can be hurtful.
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Intelligent, empathetic, and eloquent. extremely therapeutic and healing words.
The Factualizer Such nice words. They are well received. Thank you for watching the video.
i used to be drawn to the "talk to much and not listen" types....i felt comfortable around them. being known was too darn scary for me at that time. i had so much shame and truly did not know my true self....i deliberately steered the convo towards them if it veered off towards me. panic set in......now, i have it mostly figured out. the "talk too much" types now annoy the crap out of me and i find myself staying away from them. at first it was hard because i found myself "all alone" until i realized i needed to develop my love for self and learn to be my own best friend. it has made all the difference in the world!! thanks for the information here, alan xo
This is so relatable
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These Emotional Unavailability videos are priceless! I just stopped seeing someone who did this but I didn't realize it fully until now. I got pulled into the content because he's an interesting person and I liked hearing about him and his life as we were still getting to know each other... but there was always a feeling of him hiding behind the talking and whenever I could get a word in, there was practically no or only minimal response before he went back to his monologue. The "niceness" was confusing as hell, also. Don't even get me started on "delayed responding"...! It was hard letting go, because I feel for him as I was once deeply avoidant, too. But (sadly) I can't change anyone... and I want more from my relationships. Thank you for talking about this.
I’ve been on both sides of this one. When I’ve over-talked, it has been anxiety-driven and, afterwards, I’ve been so embarrassed. But my listening to others is also a way to not fully connect while feeling better about myself. I am not thrilled about my life, so I don’t want to talk about it. I most often do all the listening and I ask great questions that keep the other person talking and revealing themselves. But then it is time to part ways and we haven’t talked about my life at all. And it allows me to feel very thoughtful and helpful and supportive. Afterwards, I find I want to binge eat because I feel like there is no room for me in the relationship. I feel both superior on some level and devalued, all of which I’ve created/colluded with. It is so frustrating and hard to break the habit.
I like the phrase "talking/not talking." It says it all. Now I know where the suffocating feelings come from, the sense of being trapped with no escape and the low frustration tolerance. Thanks for laying it out clearly.
It's a relief to know I'm not along in this experience
Was in a long distance relationship with someone like this for a year, when the lightbulb finally switches on and you realise that even though you talk for hours on the phone you never really discuss anything, it really hurts. You realise that the other person isn’t even interested in knowing you. After the breakup I tried to get them back and just to hit the point home, when I asked if they missed me, they told me that they just missed talking to me 😂
It sucks , I have friends like that you cannot discuss anything and they change subjects . However I keep them as friends to hang out with and hope to meet new friends . I d still keep them but will try to hang out as a group and see them less often . At least they are willing to hang out . I think they are insecure and maybe hiding something so that’s why you cannot discuss anything . It’s sad . All I know is that couldn’t marry a man like that , I’ve had few men who asked me out and you couid see in the first conversation that they weren’t really interested to get to know you and if a man approaches
Me and can’t let me talk then he is not someone for me .
This is my mother. She loves to talk on the phone. I love her and have to check in with her each day, because she lives so far away, but from the moment we get on the phone the talking starts and she very rarely wants an actual conversation. She wants to talk, and tell stories. This isn't old age. She has been this way as far back as I remember.
I hear you. I can imagine what it's like not being included in the conversation or the talking. Thanks for reflecting.
This is my experience with my husband. Everything you are saying is what I feel. Yes! yes! It is not only that I can’t get a word in and that I can’t engage it’s that I feel I’m being asked to betray my sense of self and true identity. Not only does he do the non stop talking but every conversation seems to remind him of something from his childhood. He also does not listen when someone else speaks and seems to pause instead of listening and just wait until he can have more non stop talking again. If he noticed people are pulling back he tries to force conversation that no one wants to have. I’m getting to the point of saying this is not working for me. What you say is what we need to hear.
These sound like helpful reflections. Glad to hear this video helped you process. You mapped your thoughts out with good clarity. Good for you for seeking out resources to access deeper insight.
I’ve told my husband before that I didn’t want to hear the details of something and he’s told me that he doesn’t care, that he wants to say it.
I talk very little to/with him because it turns into some logistical garbage pouring out of his mouth instead of a normal conversation.
He says he wants to have conversations with me, but he has no idea how to have one.
Then sometimes I’ll be taking and he lets himself be distracted by stupid things that could wait.
This is my husband, too. After 36 years of listening to him drone on and on, I finally realized that he only cares about listening to himself. I’ve heard the same stories and “lectures” hundreds of time. I just ignore him now. He can find someone else to listen to him; I’ve got better things to do.
I recently had 2 dates with a guy, we are in our 50’s, it was so strange that he talked about himself, but if I tried to talk about myself he did not even engage in that, he just went on about himself, this hit the nail on the head! I thought that “he was just not that into me”. This just saved my sanity! I felt that strange uncomfortable, something was so not right feeling that I had not ever remembered having before. Thank you!!
I grew up with a parent like this (as Alan said, they're talking to themselves, they're not really talking to you) and now as an adult I have no patience for people like this. The frustrating part is they are everywhere!!!
The thing I love about you Alan is you always show healthy examples of how it should be which I am totally lost on thank you for your healing and sharing
Thanks for this video. I have been feeling like an evil person for ending a relashionship a few weeks ago with a guy who talks too much and also seems to have anger management issues. He screams a lot, or the contrary; or was excesivelly happy, laughs at his own jokes that he repeats over them over and over...now I know that I made the right desicion.
Yes this was a major red flag on my first date with a recent short-term "relationship".
We had just met for the first time & he launched into a story about a new radiator being installed. He went on for over an hour.
He was uninterested in anything I tried to bring up or about my interests, he was so boring and disinterested I almost cried. Needless to say I ended up in a situation with someone who was entirely unavailable & got a bit hurt.
I should have walked away.
I'm glad this has been talked about here, as I thought it was all in my head.
This exact situation happened to me. Great clarity on this subject. Thanks in advance to Alan.
The talker unconsciously uses you as a sounding board. I was naive to think it was some form of relating. I thought they were interested in me and my empathetic qualities. They were, but it became my primary use and overshadowed my inherent worth as a person that needed reciprocity as well. My mistake for allowing that quality to prove how valuable I was. I’m aware now that I’m a “prover” by being a good listener. I just can’t fathom someone caring or showing interest in you without you “working hard” in the relationship. I need to nix this people pleasing behavior before I collude with being taken advantage of again. I think I’m addicted to feeling useful to someone. 🤔 Hmm. Lots to work on so I don’t repeat that unhealthy dynamic with another “accidental” emotionally available person. Gosh, I choose people that reinforce how I need to work to be “loved”. 🤦🏻♀️
Thank you for this insightful look at your own motives in this dynamic. I'm an empathetic listener too and have the same belief about being a "prover" and needing to work hard to matter to anyone. I grew up in a family of narcissistic parents, so this belief comes so naturally! Am actually seeing a therapist who understands narcissistic abuse, codependency etc. Hope your journey is leading to a place where you know you are worthy of reciprocity in relationships!
It's more lonely than being alone. Once they leave and you're solitary again, you begin to recover and feel less isolated. It's like human companionship but with a negative sign in front.
Describes my in laws, sadly, perfectly! After visiting or otherwise engaging in contact with them I'm always left with the feeling that there was no content in the conversation (*more of a monologue than a conversation) and the whole thing was completely superficial!
I keep contact to a minimum these days and feel much better as a result. Great video, you explain this phenomenon so clearly!
Thank you for making these videos about recognizing attachment trauma. Nothing else has explained the confusion that I have lived with for the past 31 years as well as these videos, including the non-stop talking. I am newly divorced and dating again, and your videos are helping me to recognize that what had been normal in my marriage is what destroyed my self esteem and my health. You have saved me from making this devastating mistake twice, and I know that when I have the money for a coach, I will call you.
Generally people like this fill uncomfortable silences. I think a real friend can sit and just be and be relaxed about it. It’s kind of like controlling the atmosphere with the talkers babble and they actually think they are interesting. I went on a tour and realised how insecure these non stop talkers were and how I needed my space to detox from them. Learning what parts of you that intuit a real connection.
My mother no matter what anyone says she always hijacks a conversation and makes it all about her and she even Chang the topic as if what the person wasn't saying anything important.
I have been on both sides of this. In a situation where I couldn't even squeeze in that I needed to call my dog in, so just did it anyway, and the person on the other end of the phone just kept on talking while I was calling my dog. Or in a relationship where I would be expressing myself and they would just start talking over top of me like I wasn't talking. But, I've also been on the side where I am doing all the talking, especially in cases where I try to engage the other person but even after asking a question I would get a one or two word answer and then dead air space...so I just filled it up. I find communicating with other people....other than "hey, how are you?" or other superficial nonsense....very challenging. No one seems to want to be "real".
Thank you so much for covering this topic. I have never heard a professional address this before, and it was quite validating. It's so obvious that non-stop talking could be a strategy to avoid vulnerability/connection (since I experience longing as a response), yet I could never see it that way; I could only see it as self-absorption. Looking forward to learning some strategies for how I can improve my relationships with benign talkers or at least just accept their behavior--I will keep listening to your content. Three years later, and you are helping me. Thank you again.
Wow, this really opened my eyes! For the last 7 months, I have been dating a lovely, lovely man who is a non-stop talker and recently I have started to feel myself pulling away because it's so obnoxious. He is sometimes so pressured that he will have spit froth coming out of his mouth or half-chewed food packed on either side of his tongue because he can't/won't stop to swallow. He talks about things he is doing and things he is interested in. He very seldom asks me about me or asks me for my opinion or thoughts regarding what he is talking about. You used the term "bulldoze" for the listener who wants to participate in the conversation. That's me. Mostly I just listen, but sometimes I have to bulldoze and it's no fun.
I had no idea that his incessant talking could be a defense mechanism for keeping emotional distance, but that makes so much sense! He has told me many times that he doesn't think he is capable of truly loving and now I see that this is a symptom of his attachment issues, which likely come from being raised by an emotionally and verbally abusive father with anger issues.
He is still friends with his ex-wife, from whom he amicably divorced after being married for probably over a decade (he has literally told me he doesn't know how long he was married to her) and he told me that they just drifted apart starting about 6 months into their marriage. I asked him if he loved her and he said he thinks maybe he did for a couple of months after they met, but then that went away. He said they weren't happy almost the whole time, but he isn't exactly sure why. I think now I know why.
I wondered if there could be hope for a change in his behavior if I pointed it out to him from time to time and told him how it makes me feel. After watching this video, however, I am thinking that using that strategy, it's probably not likely. And if he does decide to address it, it would take years of his being in therapy. I'm 53--I don't really have that kind of time. I'm moving overseas early next year, so I'll probably just stay with him for now and deal with it knowing that it will end when I move.
Thank you for this incredibly informative video!!
He won’t change even if you talk frankly about it. Get away from him.
@@pigpink1971 Oh, yeah, I know that. That's why I said I'll stay with him for now until I move overseas and not try to "fix" him, which is ludicrous.
After I posted the above comment, he and I went on vacation together to a state I used to live in. We stayed with a friend of mine and her husband. For 2 straight days, this man held court and talked NON-STOP. He was very pressured--almost manic. Two full, entire days. During this time, I had trouble even bulldozing my way through. He just talked right over me. The second day, I just left the room. It was a nice day so I went outside and read for hours before he came looking for me. I'm sure he had no idea I'd even left. He was directing all of his attention to my girlfriend, so he was giving her a few opportunities here and there to contribute to the conversation, but I was given no such opportunities. I was not included by him at all. At the end of the second day, I had it out with him. I told him he was monopolizing conversations and that he should stop sometimes to hear what others have to say. I told him it was rude to completely exclude people. All he said was, "Hmmm." That's it. I told him that hmmm was patronizing and I wanted an apology. I got a very insincere apology (I knew I would--that's the only kind you get when you have to ask for an apology). After that day, my already waning feelings for him shifted again and now I keep him at much more of a distance. I am happy to spend time with him 2 or 3 times a month. In moderation, he is enjoyable company. Again, if I wasn't leaving for overseas soon, I'd have long since dumped him completely.
I have a close family member like this. I find it incredibly frustrating. I’m afraid I can’t find any feeling of sympathy for them. I was interested in hearing what you have to say, although confused when you talked about wanting a deeper connection. I just want to spend as little time with them as possible. I perceive them as a vampire sucking energy out of everyone around them.
I hear you. These dynamics can be challenging. Many of us can relate.
Omg! This is one of the reasons I left a narcissistic relationship.Thanks for all of your videos..learn soo much
Wow. I know people like this. Never associated it with EU. Amazing. Thank you!
Comes across as a type of venting or purging. I could put the phone down and come back 15 min later and never be missed is how it feels. Never did that but I could.
It also happens with my friend in person. When we hike. He talks the entire time. Never considered it to be a disconnect.
After spending decades of holidays with family I realized that my mother and brother really knew nothing about me. They were so self-absorbed they did all the talking (I.e. complaining) to me and never asked me anything about myself. I knew better than to volunteer information because they would just tell others for their own self interest. I find myself with too many people like that, unfortunately.
Yes you talk and talk, but for good reason. My dad talked my ear off, my mother complained about it. Lately, she’s starting to do the same thing. God help me!
Unfortunately, this was me, in my last long-term relationship. I believe it was one of the key factors in what destroyed us. Alan, it’s amazing how you identify and describe such specific, problematic nuances in relationships.
'The feeling of waiting at a bus stop' - truest statement I've ever heard....
Thanks for reflecting that. Glad this resonates.
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😮 and…and…and..there’s HOPE! 😊
Thank you for this video! Got it in my recommendations. It is amazing how we receive answers to our questions! Am right now in the situation where emotionally unavailable person tries to make me maintain our relationship when i finally have decided to pull myself out of it. Before this video i wasn’t even able to formulate what exactly makes me feel so empty after any interaction with this “friend”. And you formulated it perfectly! She doesn’t connect with people on emotional level, and she doesn’t hear what other people say. And when she gets to talk there is no live conversation, it all suddenly becomes just her no talk/talking. She is never genuinely interested in anyone around her. She loves herself and sees only herself. And now when i started to behave with her in the same manner she is puzzled. For a few years that we know each other i was supposed to accept her behaviour and lack of genuine interest in other people as absolutely normal. Now i am showing her herself mirroring her usual behaviour - and she doesn’t like it! She doesn’t like to be on a receiver side.
This so resonates with me! I've been trying to describe this dynamic that my wife and I have, and you have captured it perfectly. She loves to talk and talk and talk about things that are going on at work--other things too but primarily work. And, I mean to the point that even an interruption to ask whom she's talking about or what relationship they might have to her can be very unpleasant. Over the years I have learned to more or less live with it, but I don't like it and I've never liked it. Rather than speaking to me it seems to be the way she processes her own thoughts. It's not that she is intentionally making me uncomfortable, but it does have a selfish aspect to it in that my attention seems to be required and I get so little out of it. Then as reward for my complicity in denying myself, she returns the favor by ignoring me or misunderstanding me when I'm speaking. . . .
@James, this sounds very painful. I am glad this video spoke to your dilemma. The reason I created the membership community, Improve Your Relationships is because many of us have stories like yours. We see the pattern over time. We keep doing the same thing. We see the suffering. We have to choose to change the pattern. We need a plan of self-directed healing. This is what we talk about in the membership community. You are invited to join us. Here is the info: www.alanrobarge.com/community
the difference is that you are aware that you are talking and talking. And that you are even making a little joke about it. Thank you for your work and enlightening videos and thanks for making me smile at the end of this one. greetings from the Netherlands
I am astounded by this video. I never had the words to describe what I was feeling during conversation after Conversation like you are describing above. My love interest was an attorney, that talked nonstop either about his work or about his childhood, or about his life. There was never any room or any interest in anything about me.
Alan, I realise it's ironic that you're talking about people who do non-stop talking. But with you it's actual meaningful content. You do repeat yourself but it's usually to drive a point home. It helps the viewer absorb the information as to not forget. Thank you for what you do. You are helping so many people.
I do this sometimes and end up in to many relationships with people who do it too because we have so much pent up panic about being heard from our mentally ill emotionally abusive fathers so we don't know how to calm down and communicate slower because there's so much panic behind processing what other people are saying panicking that we won't be able to offer the connection they need to sustain safer feeling conversations
Being exposed to this behavior has definitely taught me to copy it. That when I DO get a break in the conversation and manage to take the floor, I have to say **everything ever** all at once because I won't get another chance to speak. And since I have a difficult time putting my thoughts in order, I have to do that while other people are talking to the detriment of my ability to listen. Because they won't wait for me when they're finally finished.
This is Jennifer Sinclair. Oh my God, this video is all about my mother!!!!!!!! Non-stop talking and never getting authentic or deep!!!!! This guy must KNOW MY MOTHER!!!!!!!! This guy is brilliant!!!!!!!!
Thank you for keeping this video so real and human.. People like you more important than ever today in a world where everyone thinks they have to be perfect.That's just not being human at all.
It's not easy to feel so much. Thank you 🎉🎉
I like how you put the focus on ourselves so we can determine what works for us instead of defining the other. Identifying their behavior is helpful and then decide if I want to distance because if it’s a pattern and/or been addressed with them and no change, then better to distance from them and not look for engagement except when necessary. Thank you!
I appreciate the comment. Thank you for valuing my effort.
Thank you for this. Try sitting at a dinner table with family that "talk but don't".
I don't stay connected to self-absorbed people, even if it's family. I've been much happier since I've started doing this.
Spot on explanation of my last relationship!! If I dared to jump in , I would get a stare and he would pick up where he left off .. or the “ let me finish” ..Thank you for clarifying this behavior
Thanks for explaining something that drove crazy for like forever. I seem to be a magnet for this kind of behavior. Now I get it
To all you armchair psychologists in the comments, some of us do not know how to regulate our talking for 101 reasons, a lot of them based in trauma, but they are not all about being self absorbed or narcissistic. Some of us have anxiety through the roof and were taught by a non stop talking parent how to talk to self sooth. So if you want to take responsibility for yourself you need to speak up, not nastily or in a judgemental way, but just to get you obvious need to be heard as well met by a talker. We NEED you to speak up and interrupt often as we do not know when to stop and it is so comforting it takes on a life of it's own. So please stop commiserating with the other quiet people and start speaking up, otherwise how will we KNOW you are secretly hating it if you smile and nod and stay on the phone for hours like a trained seal for eff's sake ? WE do not like or trust someone who thinks secret thoughts about us and does not just speak up !!!!!
Alan, you are a treat.
Alan, you describe the relationship with no relating remarkably well! It will help me to get through next Friday...I appreciate your approach, Alan. You describe the situation so well from the viewpoint of the one who is treated as a piece of furniture. "Why am I even here?"
Thank you for the feedback and thank you for valuing my effort. Glad my work speaks to you. I hear you about feeling like a piece of furniture. Many of us can relate.
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@@AlanRobargeHealingTrauma Thank you, Alan. Your skill is exceptional to put different situations in verbal forms. That in turn helps healing, it kind of brings detachment to one's personal, even painful experience.
This was what I needed to remember/acknowledge/learn today. My stepdad does this, ALL THE TIME.
It’s the colluding with engagement, it’s completely out of line with my values for connecting or spending time engaging in emotionally valuable exchanges.
Keep talking Alan, you’re helping me tremendously and you’re saving so many peoples’ emotional well-being..
I appreciate the kind words. Glad my work brings benefit.
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The repetition in the video helps me digest it all and of course you’re talking constantly it’s your video!
i've been monopolising conversations for a very long time, to the point i acknowledge it out loud and have to clear up to people that not only are they welcome to interrupt me whenever and in fact i'd be grateful if they did because it's a defense mechanism i have so internalised i space out as i do it :/ depends how i'm feeling but on good days i can limit myself enough to scale it back to more of an orquestration of the conversation, others can participate but only when cued and keeping it relevant to that moments subject, i do notice the emotional disposition of others but thats not enough to stop me :S my response doesn't move beyond telling more jokes in hopes of adressing the mood :( and i 200% do it out of both emotional constipation and socially anxious dependence on the illussion of control ;_;
i'm not trying to be malicious, i'm just afraid to the point of irrationality
My mom is 74 years old and since my dad died 12 years ago (he was a SOB and she never dared to leave him) she started the non stop talking. She love to receive visitors and to cook and to talk talk talk. Last 3 years have been hard for me in other matters and I received 0 support from her. Every time I tried to talk about me she interrupts me again and again. I think she knows something is wrong with me but she doesn’t want to deal with it. Is so uncomfortable to visit her on weekends and holidays because of the monologue.
Wow, the person who is not engaged, has more control. Thats a mouthful. How are you able to put into words the things we experience in these situations? Described as gridlock is so spot on. You’re in our heads. And and we need the repeated examples. (Bc Half the time I spend 45 seconds thinking about something you just said that’s totally profound and I miss the next point that you make) I didn’t even know I was colluding to the conditioning of non-relating. Its mind numbing and has caused depression and I feel demented sometimes, ha. What you’re describing, it is exactly how I feel. Waiting for it to be over, waiting at the bus stop, where is the pause? I cannot wrap my head around why somebody would choose not to connect.
I have literally put the phone down walked away and come back to hear the person still talking! I now interrupt or cut people off. My daughter chastised me once for walking away from a lady we ran into who wouldn't stop talking. I'm tired of people who can't listen!
Thankyou. You explain things so well. You have a depth of understanding and clarity I don't see with other counselling videos.
This video is very confusing to me. I talk... A lot as a way of relating. I talk in an effort to build closeness. I realize at times I talk way too much. I've been mindful of that and try to shut up a lot. However in my marriage, which is now over (separated pending divorce) I always got the sense that I was talking at him and he never responded. So I kept talking in an effort to get him to engage. This video worries me. I thought he was emotionally unavailable. But according to this it's me? I have worked I'm being a good listener and feel like I'm able to do that with others but never felt connected to him. So confused
Since this is your channel, it is appropriate for you to take center stage and monologue your ideas because that is what we r here for as listeners and learners
I love these videos! So much of this information matches my experiences and I feel like I am really beginning to understand these weird relationship dynamics I have been a part of.
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Alan Robarge / Attachment Trauma Therapist Thank you for the reply! I am wrapped up in introspection at the moment, but perhaps I will join at a later date. I have been recommending these videos to others, though!
Thanks Erica. I also have folks who support the work by joining the community but don't actually participate. They sign up as patrons. Thanks for recommending the videos to others. I appreciate it.
You are so good at defining what’s going on and why my radar systems are beeping yet I can’t seem to figure out why. You make for a great BFF! Thank you for sharing your insights, this is so helpful and validating my experiences
To the folks who say that they stop having friendships based on this. I said that once too. But it is thru these types of interactions that we come to heal/know what in our unconscious sets us up for this dynamic. It is our unconscious that directs our life. Depth psychology has been incredibly valuable to me in this regard. To entirely blame the other leaves us unsealed/unwhole. I learned the value of persevering with these painful relationships and using them as a study in how my unconscious flared up, how I projected, how I defended (my right to be heard etc). Not enough therapists are talking about how boundaries walk us off and prevent deep and meaningful growth
I love your examples, and enjoy your talking style,...thank you for sharing
I am so glad you reinforce your key points. Have been listening to you all day. You are awesome! Thank you so much!
I got a lot out of this video. and also the comments section. I talk a lot. I'm trying to look at it, and see how I can improve. My partner has started to point this out to me, and though I feel I am not an extreme case, and I am somewhat self aware, I still need improvement. Thanks for doing videos like this. I also happen to be in tourism, and find myself constantly trying to pull out emotion and authenticity from my guests. Thank you for helping me become more self aware.
I appreciate the comment. Thank you for the reflection and for sharing your experience. And thank you for valuing my effort. Glad it brings benefit.
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After months of therapy, I realised that my difficulty connecting to people had a lot to do with my parents' poor communication skills. My mom is EXACTLY like what you're describing. For the most part, she does not, will not, stop talking. She will talk intensely about one thing for ten minutes, then jump to a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC without any warning at all, and throw her intensity there as well. It's ridiculous - and sad, because I know she feels really lonely, and most of the time she's too insecure to admit it.
Glad this video resonated and sparked reflection for you. This is helpful processing. Communication skills is a topic threaded through the discussions in the Improve Your Relationships Community. It is based on a Self-Directed Healing approach that can help strengthen our voice. Good for you exploring for clarity.
Alan, I hope you don't feel bad about repeating yourself! It's nice to have those reminders to help reinforce what you are talking about. And to be honest, I never even notice that you are doing it. Keep up the great videos! I really like the way you explain things.
What Alan said! I’ve been with a person for 5 years now and it’s so obvious that this is what’s going on. I liked the “talking, not talking” narrative. It more or less puts me at a crossroad in the future as I’ve tried to address certain avoidant behaviors and find actual connection. As I see it now, where I am is exactly where I’ll be in 25 years unless there’s some sort of neurological restructuring. Love your talks!
Glad to hear you resonate with this content. This type of reflecting is helpful. So good we're talking about these dynamics. Thanks for valuing my work.
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You are excellent in verbalizing feelings! Thank you for sharing your clarity.
Wow. You nailed this. Your descriptions of the interactions are extremely accurate, understandable , and helpful. Thank you so much.
I think you did a fabulous job explaining things. Thanks for putting this out there. Many people aren't aware. As an emotionally parentified child who was forced to deal with this, I can testify that what you say is true.
It makes me feel like I have to escape behind closed doors, but my brother will talk for hours, ask stupid questions, argue about unimportant details such as, what time before he got home did I bring in my pet in the house. He can not focus on getting ready, bandaging open wounds, making his lunch, taking care of himself and his messes, but will stop me from doing a task so that he can recall every benign detail of a story that is unimportant. I feel like I have to struggle to have privacy inside my own head. To him it's rude to interrupt even when you thought he was done. He says, "anyways back to My story". Or if my mom and I talk about a task we are doing, he says, "I feel like I haven't got a word in edgewise". I do not know how to handle.his constant need for attention.
Thanks for reflecting and sharing your experience. I can imagine these dynamics are frustrating. Glad this video spoke to you.
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I have experienced this. With a boyfriend. I was expected to be a "listener" always.
He would tell me things about interactions he had, or experiences, or things he had learned.. I would try to relate by making comments during a pause- but mostly just listening - saying "uh huh" or "oh wow" ..etc... but usually when I would try to comment - I would be told I was very rude and interrupting - that he wasn't done talking yet..
It is confusing because I was only trying to relate and share my experimences and ideas ...
does anybody else have this happen?
More than one person in my life has gotten very irate with me saying it is very rude.
Am I just missing the meaning of conversation? How to know when to talk or just listen?
Do some people dominate and not expect to listen as well?
I know exactly what you mean. Conversation can certainly seem like an "art" in that way. It's a delicate balance of give and take between people. If a person has gone on and on about something and several minutes have gone by and there has been no "cue" to include you in the conversation, then it is definitely time to start picking a place to chime in. I usually collect a few things in my mind that I want to ask or add to what the person is saying. Then I wait for a pause. If the pause doesn't come and it's been like over five minutes, then pick the next "but" or "um" or other insignificant word the other person uses to fill the air, and jump in. You deserve to be heard in a conversation too! Otherwise interrupt with some excuse to exit the conversation. Like "Oh crap, I have to go pick up my laundry" or something, haha. If a person has been going on and on, and when you try to chime in they get offended, that's a clue that they are overly self-entitled. I would find ways to avoid somebody like that. They obviously don't want a REAL conversation. How boring :p
Yes I get this a lot what a bunch of people at work and my family members, or just random people I noticed that when it's time for me to talk they changed the subject and they think I'm rude when I speak up on my behalf
That's exactly what my husband does to me. He talks for hours and can't stand it if I try to say anything.
Wow! I’m sorry! I guess this is pretty common.
I have childhood trauma and i talk a lot it isnt to just hear myself talking! I do it especially bad when im triggered
I hear you and empathy to you.
I was married to this type of person. Just couldn't "partner" with her. Felt like I had to keep asking her to participate. She just kept talking about absolutely nothing. She's tolerable as a friend, but it still gets tiresome. I wish it would have been different.
Thanks for reflecting and for sharing your experience.
I just realized I do this. And it's so relieving to know. I do it because I'm very afraid of connection. And I lost hope to get it because when I was a child there wasn't anybody who I could connect with. I need to find someone I can trust, who is able to connect, then learn to trust and then be in present moment with him, be quiet and mindfull.
Great insight on how this pattern connects with childhood history. Glad this video sparked reflection for you. It's so important that we keep talking about self-protective behaviors that also cause us to be emotionally unavailable. Thanks for your comment.
Hit the nail on the head. Thanks for your description of this experience
Glad this video speaks to you. Thank you for valuing my effort.
I'm the talker.
I'm aware of how annoying it is. BUT, not when it's happening. In fact, I'm not even aware that it's happening when it's happening.
The way I'd describe it, it's like I have these little doors in my mind with a traumatic story behind each door and I don't know what the triggers are but I basically run and lock myself behind one of those doors and start telling every detail of that story. I black out competely, I'm not with the person anymore. Sometimes I'd snap out of it and forget where I am or who I'm talking "to" and I immediatly feel a rush of shame and guilt.
I've been in therapy on and off for over 20 years (currently on for the past 5 years) and it's only recently that I've been able to talk about it.
While working on it, I've whidrawn from social life because I can't stand doing that to people.
Empathy to you. Thank you for sharing your experience. Many of us can relate.
I relate
I like that you repeat the point a few times in different ways as it can be difficult to understand a concept with just one example. So I think that you should continue to teach us with such clarity 😊
Thank you for the kind words and thank you for valuing my effort.
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Thank you for that Alan. I will have a look at the link.@@AlanRobargeHealingTrauma
Wow this is exactly with my mother. I have stopped trying to engage in conversation. My husband bought me ear pods, when my mother starts talking I switch on a podcast or listen to music. I look up and nod once in a while- I see her mouth moving but I can't hear what she says. Sad thing is my mother doesn't even notice that I am unresponsive to her.
I hear you. These can be challenging dynamics. Many can relate with not feeling seen or heard. Thanks for your reflections.
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Omg, spot on! So good. Ty!
This is the dynamic I have with my boss. Extra awkward because I need the work. For a long time I thought he was trying to be a friend, or was lonely. Then it dawned on me that it's neither and he uses me so I will now be politely exiting his long monologues.
Well i grow up next to a mother was literally hunting me with her constant talking. I have found myself non stop talking for a short time, i had the energetic sensation i was doing exactly the same... but i can tell you it was the time when i get used to silent treatment as he used to slide there without a reason. The loving person was fading into a stranger. He was the one actuallly emotional unavailable but to keep calm in myself and to ignore the fact what he is doing i tried searching for connection, but was continously refused, and i become clingy in this verbal level i guess. Than i quit doing it and i could feel his despice towards me. Than i felt asamed being the same awful as my mother was with me, pure self hate built up on it in me. Such a horrible thing, after going through constant silent treatments and betrayals. So ugly. I forgive myself to be like this so happy i did not see this video in that time to tell me i am such a horrible person.
I love your videos they are helping me a lot, i just want to point out that not everything is what it seems.
This is an amazing explanation of this dynamic in a relationship !!!!