Music in Catholic Liturgy | THE BRENDAN OPTION 094
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- "I don't know if there's anything that brings people to God so quickly as beautiful music."
Join Fr. Brendan Kilcoyne for episode 94 of 'The Brendan Option' where he discusses the use of music within Catholic liturgy.
"The question isn't whether some music shouldn't be played in church... the question is deeper: whether some music should not be dedicated to the Creator."
"Music which worships the Creator must be free of any base motive or base association, and for that reason popular songs are unsuitable."
"Music is not simply just a matter of taste; there are objective reasons for choosing or rejecting music for sacred worship."
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Thank you Fr Brendan.
Oh my Good God, your courage lacks no limits. However, thank you for starting a most useful discussion. A challenging reflection. In fact, a wonderful dare to all of us to contemplate the nature of liturgy as a communion in wonder and awe with the Eternal Trinity and the sanctification of the People of God. Something that is life-giving, inspiring, healing, enlightening. An event that introduces us to ever deeper tones contained in the deposit of Faith given to us by Christ through his Apostles. You have courage indeed, know that I will remember your brave martyrdom every year on this date. God bless good friend.
God bless you Fr Brendan you certainly have a way with words! You have me laughing out loud here. Thanks for that. It’s become more difficult for priests now to try and explain to people what’s more appropriate in the house of God. Anyways the battle continues. God bless you. 🙏🏻
I just know in my bones there are no battered Gibsons strumming St. Louis versions of “My Little Pony” amongst the celestial choirs.
Thanks Father Brendan very interesting. God bless.
Think as long as the singer musician is respectful to the Mass it shouldn't matter if its a guitar or organ.Unfortunately unlike my sister the organ wasn't for me but the guitar was.I consider it a great privilage to be able to sing at funerals and weddings and Keep everything as sacred as I possibly can,which is great.Father it's nice to hear your perspective on music in the church.Well done to you.
Preach Fr!
Oh ho ho ho, what a hot Catholic subject we Catholics truely have struggled with just this title. Has made me NOT want to go to church. Yes, music is a topic of Catholic concern. You've hit so many nails on the head, I love what your building Father. 3x Hail Mary's
I used to actually use ear plugs. Or I would step outside.
I cannot abide guitars at Holy Mass.
@@rosezingleman5007 oh Rose, for me its the southern gospel folk music. On Christmas it was "go tell it on rhe mountain" with hooping and hollarin, kicking up feet, clapping hands and yelling out ya ya and then rhe piano went into boogie woogie. My eyes welled up and I sat down. I think easter was amazing grace. I told one of the ladies in the choir that when I go to a catholic church I want to hear catholic music and not southern Baptist or gospel or folk music, that all the reverence is removed. Oh boy she got in my face with hands and finger-pointing and yelled and thought she could use David from the Bible as a justification, I told her the origional was Greek and it actually translated to lept with joy NOT danced and that was not a Catholic translation. Annie never talked to me again and I've barely went back to church. And I know we go for the sacrifice and the sacrifice is the whole point but I don't feel like im in the Catholic achurch
So many good points, Father. I respectfully suggest, where possible, to put the musicians and choir back in the choir loft. Being practically on the alter makes Holy Mass look like a music hall performance. As you say you Father; the music is for God himself. The people in the pews don’t need to see it performed in near proximity to the greatest miracle on earth.
Agree about golden rose it is remarkable for all the exact aspects you mention.
Liam Lawtons 'There is a Place' is fantastic at funerals but its about remembrance thanksgiving only touchs the subject of divine in the last verse
Fields of gold by Mr Sting is one that I find works at both funerals & weddings although it is beautiful combiation of melody & poetry although abit raunchy & humanistic in theme if one dwells on them.
Liam Lawton and sting ??? Are you being serious Here ??? First off Lawton is raging liberal who’s woke music does not meet the criteria set by the church for sacred music . Secondly Sting and and secular songs are completely and strictly forbidden by liturgical Norms . Please read Musicam Sacram
In the order of importance:
Gregorian chant.
Organ music.
Sacred motets/polyphony.
Hymnody.
Sacred songs.
We have the reverse situation today, where there's nothing but these silly pseudo-religious childish songs.
Loved this! ❤
Check out Paul Jernburg. He's doing magnificent work in the states, so heart warming to see in the current cultural climate. There's a great documentary about him here called The Song of the Longing Heart. His Hymn The love of God is truly a sacred work and is on yt also.
Please keep the ban on the guitar in church’s . The church does not allow for this secular instrument yet it’s everywhere and makes liturgy sound like a Devon folk festival.
Thank you Father for your thoughts. I appreciate your opinions on the guitar and organ in relation to sacred worship, but give me John Michael Talbot singing one of his beautiful songs accompanied with his guitar, or an out of tune choir accompanied by organ and there's only one winner for me. ❤😂
Father, I married in 1986, and the organist knew only 3 wedding pieces. “Pick one,” he said. We did. But these days an organist is as rare as a cheap steak dinner. Music is rarely taught in any schools in the US except for marching bands. Ugh.
The folk Mass is very popular in the USA and guitars are suitable for the sweetest of scared music.
Father, a certain bishop made a pilgrimage to Bob Dylan’s childhood home and praises him to the skies. Of course not for Mass, but even though I like rock music, I am more suspicious of music than ever before. I learned years ago that one of the early church fathers spoke about how certain catchy songs in Greece had corrupted the people there…. We should always be on our guard.
I'm a writer, musician and producer. Heavy Rock is my thing but I seriously love Classical music and some Jazz too. That being said I think most of the modern Mass hymns are just shit - corny sounding, lightweight with throwaway melodies and lame structure. Pedestrian and instantly forgettable. They just do not move me - at all, - but they sure do make me cringe. To me, music worthy of being performed during the Holy Mass should be of a transcendent nature like Bach's "Ave Maria," one of the most astoundingly gorgeous, utterly transcendent - yet simple - pieces of music ever written. It's got to be worthy of offering praise for that astounding guy, who was also God, who knew in advance that he was to be tortured and nailed to a cross - and still did it so we wouldn't have to. Given that fact, Cheesy Rock, Folk or crappy, throwaway Muzak-like hymns don't come close to cutting it.
Get rid of the guitar, folk groups who perform as if doing a pub session on a Saturday night, dreadful.
Pope Pius X, only Gregorian Chant was to be sung. And I'm not an sspx, but he saw the modernists trying to change everything down to the music. Who doesn't love Ava Maria Stella?
I go to the TLM mostly for the reverence and the beautiful music. I find the local NO music unfit for worshipping the Blessed Sacrament
☘☘☘that young musician, at the start of your video, must have been learned @ trinity's spice girls skool of musica !!! Listen to Asturias by Albinez (guitar)....... you'll be transported to the gates of Paradise, quicker than an angel on a lyre !!! for the trads...angels don't play the organ.
Polyphony was abused and was common in drinking/political songs. The tunes made it to the churches, and was nearly banned.
This is a bit weak. Music itself has many associations. Much of the modern music being produced would not be out of place in a Disney film. The music serves the liturgy and should help people to get somewhere near the mystery. If we hear the same type of the music at mass as you would hear in the shopping center you just leave them in the dirt.
No, it's not "okay". For someone who admits that he has no musical training, you're very specific about certain musical instruments. Music is an expression of feelings and no one is attempting to play disrespectful music in church. Have you actually encountered someone who wanted to play rock 'n' roll in your church? There's no need to be so dogmatic. Your intransigence upsets people.
"the more traditionally minded may go out and get violently sick".....this any many other condescending comments from you father towards the traditional Catholic can be hurtful and unfair......Charity! Charity in everything, in your thoughts words & deeds, Charity covers a thousand sins and is the cloak without which you cannot enter Heaven. Think about that ♥️😇🌹
Isn't the legend of the origin of Silent night that it was composed for the guitar when the organ at the parish church broke down? Luterans tsk tsk
How can worship with lyrics based on scripture not give glory to God. Trads think of anything but organ music and chant as uninspired. The evolution of Organ music was not introduced into worship of the mass till the 1500s. The palms name instruments for praise. God inspires man’s inventions and It is said He will take everything meant for evil and turn it to good. Example: pagan holidays exchanged for Christian celebrations. I just don’t understand the mockery being made of contemporary sacred music .Apparently beauty is on the eye of the beholder. I never liked the organist I grew up with her voice was horrible. She taught the choir and sung at the masses. I was relieved when the guitar mass showed up. And as St.Theresa of the Child Jesus , “the Little Flower” said, “The splendor of the rose and the whiteness of the lily do not rob the violet of its scent or the daisy of its simple charm. If every tiny flower wanted to be a rose spring would lose its loveliness. What Father or Mother ever refused a dandelion presented by a loving child. I view these arguments about the music the same way. Music in all its highest perfection ,without heart is technical and not true adoration. The simplest of song from the heart give greater worship to God.
I would like to add I have great love for the many forms of worship in the church. And chant. I love the mass in both forms. I believe we cannot imagine what the mass is from heaven’s view. And what music of heaven is really like but we do what we can to be pleasing to Our Father in heaven.