As a cyclist I rode Continental tires only for road riding over 15 years…I trust Conti rubber. Part of the appeal of Adidas running shoes for me early on was the Conti outsoles. Almost 10 years later they keep being excellent. I’m a big fan. Glad this video hit the mark for you. It’s been a long time coming in this channel. 🤙🏻
Continental rubber is my top choice, because it handles everything. Dry, wet, slippery wet Stones or road paint, wet Steel plates .. treacherous wet grass... anything. It may be sun our pouring Rain, it's the only rubber I'm 100% confident.
Every time I wear them I think crap.. Uncomfortable.. Start to run think crap.. Hard.. But after about 20 minutes I am in ❤.. Run long runs in them and absolutely love them.
Hahaha… I can see that. On a route I often do… the first 2k is on sidewalk with a stop light or two and shoes usually always feel harsh and not fun on it. Once I get to the river and the run/bike paths… magic happens and shoes instantly feel great. Just consider it a “forced” warmup. 😂
That's so weird, I recently got them. And everytime I wore them, our of the house I'm like yeah the foam's pretty nice and soft, then when I start running it's like man it's hard, where's all the nice soft foam gone. Same with the deviate nitro 2. I think maybe cause it's my first time with these peba/ super foams. wondering where's all that bounce/energy return everyone's talking about
@intosite7279 Interesting. Since you are new to superfoams maybe you are expecting a little too much? Superfoams are good but they aren’t ALL that… plus it takes some trial and error to find the one you and your running respond too.
@intosite7279 Keep at it. Plated (rods) shoes also take some getting used too. It’s a very different sensation. Adidas’s foams are on the firmer side too… so that will take some getting used too coming from none Adidas or Adidas Boost foams.
I’m glad you mentioned that it would be a good race shoe option for someone just now getting into doing races. I was considering running in the B12 for the Broad Street Run(10 miler) which would be only my second race and until this past weekend I hadn’t ran that distance and the B12 felt really good. I’m a slower/heavier runner and not to be off topic, but I think that it does speak to the question whether plated/rodded shoes are good at slower paces, because I can surely tell the difference between say my Novablast 3 and the B12 as I feel more efficient/faster in the B12.
The B12 is an excellent option for you. Plated shoes ARE good. They offer efficiencies for all runners, some shoes more than others and it is diminishing returns the slower you run… plus not every plated shoe works for every runner. But they do make a difference! Plus… if you feel faster in a a shoe… often you will be. Feeling fast, especially on race day, is a HUGE thing. Enjoy your race! Good luck. 🤙🏻
look at any (amateur) race and you will see tons of different shoes including many shoes that are not "suitable" for racing. The key point is what works for you, most impotantly if it feels comfortable (unless you happen to have a lab to test efficiency). You just want to finish? Take a max cushion or daily trainer that you normally use. A bit more ambitious? Look for faster shoes, super trainers or super shoes. In each category RUclips can help find the top tier, but I've bought many a shoe that was supposed to be (one of) "the best" that then did not work for my biomechanics, gotta try and find something that works for you.
@@therunophil You made some very good points. I would say I'm a runner doing it for the physical/mental benefits and fast times is not as important for me at the moment. I just want to make sure I'm setting a baseline for just being able to cover certain distances (goals for 10 miler to Half Marathon this year). I have a few shoes to rotate and I will be sure to go with what feels best at the time the race comes.
@Runstrong_Chris Sounds like the Boston is a good choice for you, certainly a top tier super trainer. A Adios Pro or Endorphin Pro may be a bit faster if you are desperate for marginal gains but it's anyways a good idea to evolve slowly, I started racing with daily shoes over non-plated speed day shoe to Nylon plated trainer and now I buy way too many carbon racers as part of a ridiculously large rotation. 😉 As a heavier and slower runner I also really like the Superblast, very durable but expensive.
Thanks for the review. I picked up a pair this morning and went a half size down. Not for overall fit but because the toe spring felt better positioned for me.
This was the best and most comprehensive of all B12 reviews I’ve seen (many), congrats. B12 does not feel heavy but it does feel bottom heavy as all the weight is at the bottom of the shoe. I hope they can distribute the weight more equally around the foot in the next update - maybe by adding just a little more padding to heel area and increasing the share of the lighter LS Pro over LS 2.0 so as not to increase overall weight. Of course the large amount of Conti rubber also adds to bottom heaviness. For me getting a good lockdown was an issue until I replaced the laces with softer laces from another brand shoes and laced them until the very last hole (skipped the second last though, no runner’s loop). Now I am not sure if I should buy another pair of B12 before summer or wait until B13, who knows when it will come… if even in 2024? and as said I also hope they add some more LS Pro in it.
Ya, that bottom heaviness is an Adidas characteristic due to their foams. The huge slab of Conti rubber adds to it too (though I’d not remove it at all). I’m curious how much they rethink their heel/Achilles counter design in the coming generation of all Adizero shoes. I also think we will see more LSP foam in the next Boston. I’d expect the Boston 14 this year to launch a bit before or with the new Adios Pro. We should have a better idea starting in March/April as 2024 Adizero stuff will start launching.
Hey Chris, a superb video as always on a very beautiful shoe , that I only don't purchase because I would not have a use for it. I absolutely have to convey to you my appreciation for your well-made videos. The attention to detail and your ability to keep the review simultaneously technical and easy to follow is hugely impressive mate. Furthermore I value greatly that when you describe the sensations that you felt during running you explain to us what you think as to what causes them. Often I read reviews with empty descriptions that are of no use to me as I do not know then if that will affect me as well. Also the depth of your videos and the way you approach the analyses of your shoes sensitises me to the many features of a shoe that one can observe. So again, thank you very much for your effort you put into these videos and I am looking very much forward to watching the next one. Cheers.
I appreciate the kind words and feedback. When I began to think of my review format one of the main things I wanted to cover is “how something feel” and then explain why I think that is the case and what the product team maybe had in mind. Obviously that’s just me and my experience now but over time my review format will have a lot of references points for other shoes. Also I hope to be able to access brands directly to get more details and confirmation on my thinking… hopefully someday. Thank you again for the feedback… it means a lot! 🤙🏻
I totally agree. Most reviews I get here in Brazil are mostly like repeating marketing stuff from brands. Yeah that's useful, but a good rewiew can't limit just to that. The feeling as a user has is so important. I'm a heavy recreational runner, so the standard "harder faster longer" mostly doesn't apply to me. Boston 12 is great, to me, for having a thick layer of Continental rubber, since I'm not trying to win races and specialized racing shoes have slim outsoles to drop weight. Anyway the remarks on how the motions feels like Evo is most interesting. I think I'll never race it, but knowing the motion I train at B12 is at the same direction as AP3 and Evo is comforting.
great breakdown. I'll get the B12 when it drops in price. I want the Adios as well. I'm with you carbon plated everyday - is no good for my feet, leads to PF imo.
I have no problem training in plated shoes, I do it often, but I make sure to spend at least 2-3 (or more runs) a week in non plated shoes. It keep my feet healthy and happy.
Bro 100% gives me PF!!! Adios pro 3 are the best shoes I’ve ever run in. My HR is pretty s lower for a faster pace then all my other race shoes including vapors. But I rarely run in them without picking up a niggle and when I raced a half in them I hit a PB and did it easy tbh but my prize was PF and wiped me out for a month. They’re like that girl that’s toxic af but you love her anyway.
Foot strength. Spend as much time barefoot and in flexible trainers. It will make a world of difference. I struggled with PF for a while. Even made a video on it and I how resolved it. ruclips.net/video/flyToGa_NXw/видео.html
I purchase the Boston 12 and at first I really dislike the shoe until mile 25. When I past the 25 mile marker the shoe transforms. I really love it. I do Everything ( Tempo and Long runs ) it’s my go to shoe it’s a work horse.
Nice review, glad to find your channel! Nice colorway, it's a great looking shoe. I'm about to do my 4th session in them, not sure what I make of them just yet, I agree the laces are not the best. I replaced them after my first run and replaced with some cheapo amazon standard flat laces. I am finding that I simply can't run slow runs in this shoe at the moment, it just wants to go faster.
This is a shoe they doesn’t like to go slow… it can… it just prefers not too. It’s another reason I wouldn’t recommend this as a solo daily trainer… it’s just too easy to run much faster than planned. But to be able to do easy running in combination with faster running, like in a workout, is important. This shoe does they very well. 🤙🏻
Just bought two new pairs of these, about to hit 1000km in my first pair, and since I live in China I was able to get these for much cheaper than in Western countries. Usually they cost about the same as they go for on sale in America, I was able to get two pairs for the price of one pair on sale in America. Can't wait to break them in.
Since I have the Prime X2 (for super long runs or just the "I want to have fun days")and the Adios Pro 3 and Takumi Sen9 (for the lulz) this Video was really really really helpfull for me,. I was really split if the Boston 12 would be nice addition for a daily trainer up to 12k since I'm a bit worried the Adios Pro 3 has not the durability to work as a daily trainer. The Prime X2 holds very well up, 200k in and almost no signs of wear and tear. The Adios in the otherhand has 250k in and shows some direct wear on the outsole, which is normal. So I was thinking to get the Boston 12 as a "more durable Adios Pro 3". Thanks for making this more clear... many people shy away to compare the Boston, or similiar Shoes with the "Super shoes"
I’m glad this video was useful then. The B12 definitely punches above its weight. It works well with the AP3… but you don’t need it… the AP3 is the better shoe here (especially if it fits your foot). 🤙🏻
FWIW I wash shoes too. In a tropical environment, I find it is pretty necessary. In a front load machine or by hand with soap and a brush or scrubby in the shower is fine in my opinion. A top load machine with a spindle will fuck up a shoe though - especially if the water is hot enough to soften the heel counter or other plastic elements. I had a friend who was so OCD that he washes his shoes by hand after every run - which I do not endorse.
100% necessary in hot/humid climates. Also.. I am one of those OCD people who wash my shoes after every run. My shoes always come into the shower with me and get at least a rinse or a mild soap (Dr. Bronners castile soap). Then they dry in front of a fan. Always, after ever run.
Very informative and explanatory video. Thank you! 14:43 Could you elaborate more on this issue please? ( i.e. why you disagree with training 100% on a plated shoe)
I’ve discussed it in numerous other videos… but it’s about training stimulus. By running in plated shoes all of the time you are loosing some ability to build foot and leg strength. It’s best to mix them with non-plated shoes to make sure you build that essential foot strength.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you for the prompt reply. I’ll check in the other videos of your channel as well. I was under the impression that the main problem with the continuous use of plated shoes is that they could cause “directly” injures. I use non plated shoes for my everyday run and a plated shoe (puma deviate nitro 2) on race day, and for a few workouts before each race. So I was wondering if it was the case to upgrade for the race day with an even stiffer shoe, using on the other hand the DN2 more often as a daily trainer. Thank you again for replying 🙂
Exceptional review as always. We are being spoiled by the work you put out. I have a question you could provide an answer to. I am currently waiting for Novablast 4 stock to arrive in my size 9.5US but my curiosity is being called by the Superblast. You say that the Boston 12 is a stiff ride, how does the Superblast ride compared to the Boston? I don't find the Boston 12 LSP to be too stiff for me, and the rolling sensation is very enjoyable. It is a very fast shoe for me that I have to watch my pace when using them especially on long runs. The other shoes in my training rotation now aside from the Boston 12 is the Puma DN2 and the Nike Inv3, so I was looking for a non plated long run trainer.
I’m actually going to do a video comparing the Boston 12 to the Superblast… since so many are asking the same question. It will be the next long form video on the channel this weekend The short of it is… the SB is a less stiff ride. FFTurbo is a foam that I find firmer than LSP with much less resilience. So the rebound is less springlike and more mild. Therefore the SB is less stiff (no plate/rods) slightly less rolling ride than the B12… For a non-plated long run trainer… the Superblast cannot be beat. Thank you for the kind words. 🙏🏻
loved my Boston 12, especially on faster runs but unfortunately the upper in the middle toe started fraying after 1 week of use and I had to return it. currently waiting for new stocks of my size.
I just picked up a pair in my size (8.5) and I tried it on and it was really tight. I've loosened up the laces and will be going on a run in the ext few days. I'm anticipating a long break in period.
Im here because in a few days my pair will be delivered. I like the colorway btw its my 1st adidas running shoe. Can i used it to run my half marathon races? Thanks for the nice review.
I’ve done 3 half marathons in them. They were great! Only advice would be to double let the laces as mine opened up once mid race 😢 Fastest being 1:46:22
Nice! I would be interested in this for a firmer choice, I love LSP. But I cannot cope Adizero heel design. Lack of padding where it is needed: On achilles. I got blistering heelrub w. Prime X strung. Will not risk another Adizero. Also, that lateral heel bevel makes a speedbump for heelstrikers. You addressed it. My experience w. any more than stantard heel beveling ruins it for heelstrikers. I am 3+ hr marathon heelstriker. Maybe 2.40 heelstrikers don´t suffer from heel bevels or soft heels. I gotta point out my point of view for heelstrikers and soft heels. All soft heels ruin it for heelstrikers, bogging after 30km. After Tempo Next%, I wonder when we will have a real fast shoe w. a firm heel and normal heel bevel. Looks never. Excellent recommendation in the end! I am sure AP3 medial low eyelet will destroy my big toe knuckle, again... I wonder if Adidas will ever get their uppers right :P
While not in the same class...the Adizero SL gives you some of the LSP feel without the harsh Adidas upper. Though the SL2 looks to have a more minimal heel again. I'm no longer a heelstriker, but I was about 15 years ago (until I changed to a forefoot strike) so I remember the movement and how it feels. While running in a heelstrike is awkward for me, I do appreciate the lateral heel bevel to capture and smooth the strike and guide the shoe into the midfoot. However, I could see how that could get VERY annoying over time. I also agree, overly soft heels are the worst for heel striking. What feels ok at 1km is torture at 30km. it's the same for a forefoot strike. The AP3 upper is possibly one of the most poorly consider design and engineering choices in running shoes right now. It's absolutely shocking that upper made it through user testing. I made a 20min+ video on this channel about it last summer...but the midsole and outsole...so SO good. I'm actually going to be taking the AP3 out again for a few runs in the coming weeks to test something...I already bought a box of band-aids (plasters) to strategically place on my foot and hope for the best... Great comment as well. I appreciate your engagement here!
Totally agreed about the Adios Pro 3 being the better option, even more so given the current discounts. I have the Boston 12, they are good, but I can use the Adios Pro 3 for just about the same runs and enjoy them more
If it fits one’s foot the AP3 is the better shoe, especially training for a race AND racing. That being said, the B12 fits my foot better and a race in Vaporflys and use the AP3 very sparingly due to the fit. You can’t go wrong with either shoe though.
I believe it’s important to take durability into account. You are nos training in the B12 because it’s better than the AP3, you are training in them because you don’t want to burn your race day shoes. Not everyone has multiple super shoes
@jorgemedina9526 The AP3s are very durable…plus LSP lasts forever and is the tank of super foams. It is the one super shoe I’d have no worries putting hundreds of training miles into AND then racing them.
@@jorgemedina9526 Yeah, correct, but that’s why I mentioned the discount on the Adios Pro 3. I’d obviously not choose them as daily trainer at full price, but, at least here in the UK, you can get a pair of Adios Pro 3 at basically the same price as the Boston 12…just £10 more
I@@SagasuRunning Is the AP3 as durable as the Boston?. The other thing might be psychological, but I like my race day shoes feeling fresh, and that I have a special pop I use exclusively for that day.
I absolutely cannot wait for that shoe. The thing about LSP is in smaller chunks, like in the Adios… it’s not too out of control. Also that out of control feeling is not a bad thing…. In a race shoe… just in a trainer.
My current rotation is as follows: Novablast 3 for dry weather easy days Boston 12 for wet weather conditions, on longer runs (>16k) Asics Magic Speed 2 for speedier runs up to the half marathon distance
@@SagasuRunning living in a tropical region really means that weather here is pretty humid and warm, and rainy days are both a blessing and a curse hahah Post rain runs are cool tho
Same here in Taipei. It’s sub-tropical here but right in the border and always wet and humid here and hot 10 months out of the year. Trust me… I feel you.!
So one reviwer said he liked B12 for easy runs and that cought me by surprise cos i don't like them for easy runs at all. It turned out (he said it in another video) that his easy runs are 4 min/km which is my current 5km pace haha. Did a 10k race in B12 and it's been raining prior to race. Guys that wore Saucony's had major slipping issues while B12 GRIP was top notch.
Continental outsoles are the best in road running. Full stop! My easy pace, or really what I call steady pace, is currently around 4:50-5:10/km range, at least what I consider”easy” in the B12. Anything slower I’ll grab another shoe. The B12 comes alive for me the fast I go. I especially love it for 10k and half marathon paces, around 4:00-4:20/km or so for me right now.
Absolutely loved my pair. Agreed it has its limitations, hoping they fix the laces in the next iteration. But the shoes are very versatile. Short runs , long runs and tempo/ track. They do everything! Had to retire mine at 223 miles. Tried squeezing in a few more miles but ended up hurting my foot. Curious to know how long they’ve lasted for other users
Definitely an excellent shoe for marathon training and the long running you need for that type of build. Mine have 220km on them at the moment…. The outsole is just starting to show minor wear and upper has one spot where my little toe rubs that is wearing…. But other than that they look nearly new. I’m not running in them much at the moment as I don’t need them… but they are a great shoe when I don’t want to run in a super shoe. We have seen no leaks on a Boston 13. So no info… at all. It’s the only Adizero shoe we have seen no leaks on… which makes me wonder if we will see a B13?
I wonder how much you would be interested in the Boston 12 if the adios pro 3 upper worked for you. I had several pairs of Boston 10 and 11 and the stiffness was good for me at the time working through a foot injury. If you really look at a Boston 10/11 there is not that much lightsrike pro. There is a rim around the edge that makes it look much thicker than it really is. Even in the forefoot it is in a lightsrike carrier. I have a pair of Adios Pro 3 and I cannot imagine going back to the Boston. The upper is perfectly comfortable but the Pro 3 is just so, so, so much lighter. I cannot emphasize this enough. It also doesn’t have the dull thud of lightsrike. I like the AP3 but not for a race. I like the Takumi Sen and it is fun for some workouts but not practical for many kinds of races and it’s kind of unstable so the road needs to be good. I like the adios 8 for a workout shoe, but it’s not the second coming or anything. I’m actually not sure that the adidas line really does what I need in a practical way. I have been doing 80-90% of kms lately in the TS Eliot Runner. I got an email that they are making an Eliot Racer - I am extremely skeptical. I have a feeling the Endorphin Speed 4 would do me to replace all of those adios shoes and I could race in an Endorphin Pro 4. Both of those are by all accounts great shoes and are much, much lighter than a AP3. I enjoyed the Speed 2 but I kind of associated it with some transient knee pain I had from being crammed into long haul economy flights between Africa, Europe, Africa, Europe, and the States and got rid of them. :(
If the AP3 upper didn’t hurt my foot the way it does AND I don’t have a history with the Boston, I’d likely be back where I was last June… just running in super shoes for a plated shoe. They being said, given the direction Adidas seems to be headed with their foams and super shoes… having a solid fast trainer from the brand to work with a super shoe… seems like a must. The Boston is like the Pegasus for me… I will always pay attention to it. Especially now that I got over the 10/11… I’m actually gravitating to the Adidas line lately. I’m preferring the firmer foams quite a bit lately. I’m extremely curious about the 2024 models. However… once Nike drops the Peg41 and Turbo4… I’ll be very curious how they feel and work with a Vaporfly…
Out of curiosity, if the “sweet” spot of so many shoes is pace dependent, why not specify actual min/mile or km/mile paces instead of “5K pace” or “10k pace”. Those references mean nothing if we all have different speeds. 🤷🏼♂️
It’s not, not completely. Your biomechanics play a much larger role as do your own preferences. Plus pace is relative to you. So putting a number on it is nearly impossible.
A bit late to the party here. Reckon it can compete with the Superblast as a dedicated long run shoe? Or is it always gonna be more for mainly up-tempo work?
I consider the B12 and SB1/SB2 completely interchangeable. They do the same thing and do it well. It just comes down to do you want a plated or non plated shoe for this type of running. Watch my B12 vs SB1 video for more (it’s the video directly after this one on the channel).
Wait, 2:51 you "wash" your shoes? If so please tell us more. I am OCD and clean mine with baby wipes after every run but would never think of putting them in a washing machine. I swapped the laces out on my Boston 12s and it has been a nice upgrade the stock laces were too long, thin and slippery. Have you ran in the Puma Deviate Nitro 2 I think that is the best outsole for grip when running on wet roads. Thanks for the amazing content.
I always bring my shoes into the shower with me post run… and at least rinse them… or if they need it I use a mild soap (Dr Bronners castile soap) and a sponge to clean where needed. Then they dry in front of a fan. I have never put shoes in a washing machine. I especially would never put performance shoes in one. I’ve not tried Puma shoes yet… but I will be covering them this year. I’m eagerly awaiting the Velocity Nitro 3 to be released here in Taiwan… I’ll also be covering the DN3 and possibly the DNE3…
I machine wash my running shoe every couple of runs, we wash our running clothes - why the shoes would be different... we sweat into shoes too right ??
@tkwasik Yup. The oils in your sweat are one of the primary things that break down the hours and foams in running shoes, especially the uppers. It’s best to clean them off the shoe after use.
Good review as ever but I do think it does rather illustrate you always need to try a shoe for yourself to see if really works for you. In my UK 13.5/US 14 I just struggled to get any excitement for it at all. Calling it a rigid brick that does not fit my narrow feet as well as some other adidas shoes is a bit harsh but it's not way off. Yeah I could "get going" in it but so I can in nearly all my shoes if am really inclined to. Maybe trying it to use it in a lot lower temperatures than you may also have a bearing as the Lightstrike doesn't really like the cold in my experience. The Adios 8 is closer to what I liked about pre Boston 10 editions. I note my pair of them is still significantly heavier than your Boston 12 and therein may well be my problem. And, as otherwise mentioned, the Adios Pro 3 for me is about the same weight as an Adios 8 so if i am doing anything faster or longer makes more sense to use the Pro 3 as it is not my racer of choice anyway. Boston 12 sort of feels like a dumb downed version of it. Yeah if the Pro 3 was your race shoe I can see why would need the Boston 12. Otherwise I will take the 50g less in the Speeds for general training.
Ya… this one is definitely about fit. I can see why a long narrow foot would struggle in these. Then again you can likely get more use out of the Takumi Sen than me. The B12 is not a replacement for the B9 for me… as I’ve said the Nnormal Kjerag is the most direct replacement I’ve felt yet… rather the B12 is a very modern “fast” trainer… and it works (for me). I’m going to spend a little time in the AP3 (I got my band-aids ready…and the VF3 to compare in the next week or so. I’m working on a longer term video comparing a bunch of things… I’m curious what the data will say… so far what I’ve seen though is that the B12 works well for me.
@@SagasuRunning always key "working for you" - largely why there are so many shoes. I will try my Boston 12 again as curiously I "sort of" started to like the Boston 11 as, although heavier than the 11, it rolled along quite well in a straight line as it were. That one had a narrower fit though and I think I would always "excuse" a bit of extra overall weight for a snugger mid foot. I wore a VF1 for 200m reps last night and it was interesting how well that hugs my midfoot with the Vaporweave. It kind of made me realise why that sort of shoe was probably too narrow for most. Will have to try the TS9 again too. Not seen my size yet in the TS10 but it seems fairly similar to the 8 and 9 so not really sure where adidas are going. Most oddly adidas UK have been selling 8, 9 and 10 of late. How to confuse customers for sure!
I miss vaporweave… it was nice to see it on the Ultrafly but it’s not a good trail upper. Vaporweave gave the best race fit I’ve ever had. The TS10 has the full heel-to-toe Energyrod 2.9 system now which seems to make the shoe “less fun” according to the reviews I’ve seen. The TS9 should be the ultimate shoe for your foot and taste in flats like that… it’s as old school Adios as still exists, at least in fit.
For better or for worst, Adidas pressed the reset button and is rebranding/remaking almost all their shoe's line. Even my beloved SolarGlide might disappear for something else to arise. We will see what's going to happen, but I'm worried I might not like it . Since the launch of the SolarGlide 5 and now I'm still using the SolarGlide 6, it is the high cushioning shoes I always recommend, if you want just one shoes. I buy around.12 or more shoes every year and more then half are cushioning shoes and the SolarGlide 5&6 is the best of the best, for me at least. I'm still hoping to see a SolarGlide 7 using Boost Light ...
Ya… I noticed that. Complete lines from the brand are changing in many areas. It’s quite interesting. So far so good for me. No models have changed for the worst for me… yet.
I got over 500 running miles in my solarglide 5. Man they were a tank of a shoe. Retired them to daily work duty. The solarglides evolved from the mid/ late 2010's supernovas (awesome shoes)and then adidas brought supernova back as a lame budget non continental offering, while tbe solarglides gained weight year after year. Now the solarglides are being replaced by the new supernova series.
To be fair… the new Supernova series looks solid. I know they are very different shoes from the Solarglide… but there is supposedly a “max cushion” version coming at some point…
I've personally never had any issues with the heel. However, Adizero's heel design has been problematic for many runners. It is evolving in the 2024 models.
I didn’t bother with the 11… but did try the 10. I find the fit of the 12 to be considerably better. The last Adidas uses for the B13/A8/AP3 fits my foot well. Also I have a high arch and high volume foot, so mid foot lockdown is sometimes an issue for me due to volume. At first the B12 felt rigid intnhe mid foot and the lacing took a re-tie or two (like I mentioned) but once the shoe softened up I found it quite comfortable. If the shoe had a better tongue and laces it would be even better.
Love your work. I do race in the Adios Pro 3 and find it super comfortable. However because it’s so expensive I’d love to find a long run training shoe to pair with it. Do you not think the Boston is a good choice? Too fast? My marathon pace probably around 5.10-5.20. Superblast instead?
The Boston 12 IS the show to pair with the AP3. It’s not that they don’t pair well, they do, it’s just the AP3 is better in everyway and can handle the training. The B12 is going to be familiar on long runs coming from the AP3. The Superblast will as well, but will take some getting used too if you’ve never running Asics. I do have a video comparing the B12 vs SB for my full thoughts. Thank you for the support! 🤙🏻
I wanted to love this shoe but for some reason, I had a slight heel-slipping issue which gave me a mild heel injury after three runs (each run is 5K). I also found it nearly impossible to get a good lockdown: - Could not get the tongue to stay in place - I have a high instep and when using a runner's knot the laces were VERY short on my feet. - Fettucini laces are very shitty Everything else was amazing but I had to return it.
I also have a high instep and high volume foot and have not had any real issues, post break in, with the B12… but I am considering replacing the laces… we shall see.
I do plan to cover the ES4 this year… but Saucony isn’t really sold much here in Taiwan, so they are hard to find here. So it may take some time… but I’ll get there. It also may be a B13 bs ES4 video too.
Nice review! I love my B12. I've seen all your videos about the Superblast and it seems like you are pretty positive about that shoe too. How would you compare these two shoes and which one would you pick for an all-rounder trainer or companion to a super shoe racer?
It depends. If you race in one of the super shoes I mention in this video… I think the B12 is better. If you race in another super shoe, including the Alphafly… the Superblast is better. It really comes down to that… what super shoe you want to pair it with. Otherwise I think both shoes are extremely capable at what they do…
Thanks! I race and do intervals in VF2. Have been using Endorphin Speed 3 and B12 for other trainings and both are about to retire. I love both but I find them bottoming out on long runs. Also B12's upper is definitely not the best (gave me lots of blisters for the first 100km, then it stopped and I've been loving it since). I've also run in Takumi Sens and AP3 and love the LSP foam, but the uppers of the Adizero series leave a lot to be desired. Think I'll give the Superblast a try!@@SagasuRunning
@@dynamike9248 Ya, Adidas uppers either work well for your foot or they don’t work at all. They can be rough on the foot. The Superblast upper is great and doesn’t have that issue at all.
I wanted to love the Boston 12, but the heel lift is brutal for my feet. The combination of a rock hard heel counter with zero padding and the inner heel collar not going far enough back to assist with locking down the heel limits what I can use this shoe for without destroying my heels. I'll still wear it occasionally for shorter lolly gag runs, but it's kinda like taking a sports car to get groceries. Thankfully I only paid $95 CAD for the shoe. And I have since replaced the Boston 12 in my lineup with the Novablast 3 which is amazing...for me. Asics heels might just work for me. I've considered modifying the shoe by putting in silicone heel padding to bridge the missing heel collar. Just seems a shame to effectively shelf the shoe. Strangely enough I seem to get along ok with the Takumi Sen8 (350km on the shoe) and the heels are very similar with the exception that the heel pocket is soft/flexible so I think it's acting like padding.
You know, until fairly recently I didn’t know people had issues with the Adizero heels. It came up in conversation around the Norda 001, which has a similar heel design. It’s the reason I mentioned it (in passing) in this video. I can’t remember the last shoe I had heel issues with other than Asics, haha… especially the Novabalst 3…the blisters that shoe would give my Achilles were insane. The TS9 and AP3 definitely have a softer, more “cup” like heel… the B12 and A8 have the same plastic counter though. None of them have ever given me the slightest amount of discomfort or lift… I do have issues with most Adidas uppers somewhere… but never the heel.
@@SagasuRunning Ya, I have a very pronounced profile difference between the rounded part of my heel and my achilles. So I've never experienced achilles rubbing in any footwear in my life. I haven't tried Asics racers, just the Nimbus and Novablast lines. But I don't suspect I will change my racer of choice (Alphafly) anytime soon. Although as I'm now getting down to 3:15hr marathon I'm considering trying a Vaporfly for the first time for half marathon and down. Great content as always!
@timtrenholm3698 Oh… I’m excited for you to try the Vaporfly for the first time then… it’s one of those shoes that I wish I could experience again for the first time.
I ran my two last marathons in Adios Pro 3. My time is between 3:40 and 3:50 hours (pre-pandemic I was faster than that but time hasn’t passed in vain). At my pace I think Boston 12 is best option for doing marathon thinking in finish at 3:35-3:40. What do you think??
I’d say go with the one that is more comfortable over the distance. On paper the AP3 is the faster shoe, even at your pace, but if the Boston 12 fits better than it will perform better for you. I’d do a 25k long run in both, with a big chunk of MP and see which feels better compared to your metrics for both runs.
As I said in another comment… it comes down to what super shoe you are racing in. If it’s one of the ones I mentioned in this video the B12 is the shoe… it’s it’s any other super shoe, including the Alphafly, I’d suggest the Superblast. Both shoes are great and they do similar things.
Did anyone size down for the Boston 12? I had the Boston 12 for a short time. Wasn't too impressed with it. My feet were swimming in my normal 10.5. Might try the shoe again with a size down.
I did mention in the “vs” video I did comparing the B12 to the Superblast…that if you want a race fit you could size down .5 size. I went TTS in mine as I wanted a training fit though.
How is this compared to the Saucony Endorphin Speed 3? Debating between the 2. Does the Boston get more comfortable after the break in? Also, how many miles does it take to break in?
I'm still struggling if I should wear my Pro 3 (old /new) or Boston 12 for my key workout tomorrow night which I will run 4K tempo pace, 3K tempo pace-5s, 2K tempo pace-10s, 1K tempo pace-15s. This vid gives me an impression that I should train with Boston 12 to pair with Evo 1 which I don't have this pair. PS. I've already worn my new Pro 3 for the last key workouts, about 10K each, which brought me a very successful performance. What do you think? Sorry for asking you this kind of shoe selection question again :p
For a key workout… do it in the shoes you plan to race in, the specific pair. So if you are racing the new AP3s… do the workout in those. This is my rule of thumb always. To train in the shoes you race in. Save the B12s for steady running and when you want a shoe a little less racey. The B12 pairs with the AP3 well… but my point in the video is that you don’t NEED it if you already have the AP3. However, if you are toy have it… they pair nicely. Good luck with the workout!
Whats your improvements recommendations for Boston 13?I have plated daily trainer Puma Deviate 2 but Should I buy B12 pair or wait for better discounts ? ha ha
If you have the DN2… use they and wait for the B13. Improvements? The upper can be softer and I’d like to see more LSP foam and less LS2.0 foam in the shoe… but beyond that I’m not sure. A lot depends on what we see in the AP4/5.
Two different shoes. One is a soft cushioned trainer and the otherwise a plated fast trainer. It’s not an either/or…. It’s a this/and. The two shoes compliment each other well.
i have a question, thinking of going to get a pair of this, my routine for training is just 5k perday, im hitting the speed of 9km 10km and 12km /h daily on a treadmill, sometimes pavement , would this fits me if I were to get a pair, plus point here is the new ekiden colorway. I never had any super shoes before, this would be my first, I also wanted something to do some workouts in it. I am contemplating between 1. Superblast 2. Magic Speed 3 3. S4 Boston 12 is the cheapest of them all
Without knowing more about your running and assuming you already have a pair of non-plated daily trainers you like I’d go for the S4 or Boston 12. Both will introduce you to a plated shoe but will be versatile enough for many types of running.
@@SagasuRunning thanks for the reply! Yes I do have a non plated daily trainer but my goal is to switch to new shoes. My routine is simple for now, daily running for 5k in 25 to 27 mins, two days off on Friday and Saturday. I would try to be below 30mins. Focus is running purely 5k plus leg workouts
Knowing that I change my suggestion…. You want the Magic Soeed 3… it’s a pure tempo shoe and perfect for going after a fast 5k. From Adidas you’ll want the Takumi Sen, not the Boston.
As of right now I am not running in NB. Partly because I’m not a fan of their 2024 design direction(s) and partly because of access here in Taiwan (which I’ve discussed multiple times recently in videos). The Elite V4 and Rebel v4 are both hard passes for me, and I can’t get a standard width Rebel v4 anyway (we only have wides in TW, which is absolutely ridiculous). I’m still going to watch the SC Pacer v2… but I don’t see much different there then the rest of the line (same upper problems, fit problems, foam problems and geometry problems). So at this point I might just ignore the brand until 2025 and hope to revise things drastically. We will see.
So many options… from Adidas the Supernova Rise is excellent, the Adizero SL is great (and the SL 2 looks even better), the Puma Velocity Nitro 3 is near perfect working with the B12… and there are many others. I’m covering the training space quite a bit in 2024. I’ll eventually have some videos on all of this later in the year.
This channel deserves much more attention!
I appreciate the support. Working on it! 🤙🏻
Hands down the best review of this shoe yet. Agree that the Continental outsole is very good, very close to the Puma Grip & the Goodyear on Skechers.
As a cyclist I rode Continental tires only for road riding over 15 years…I trust Conti rubber. Part of the appeal of Adidas running shoes for me early on was the Conti outsoles. Almost 10 years later they keep being excellent. I’m a big fan.
Glad this video hit the mark for you. It’s been a long time coming in this channel. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning great job 👏
Continental rubber is my top choice, because it handles everything. Dry, wet, slippery wet Stones or road paint, wet Steel plates .. treacherous wet grass... anything. It may be sun our pouring Rain, it's the only rubber I'm 100% confident.
Agree fully. I’d also add the Conti tires are extremely durable. Rarely had issues with flats.
Every time I wear them I think crap.. Uncomfortable.. Start to run think crap.. Hard.. But after about 20 minutes I am in ❤.. Run long runs in them and absolutely love them.
Hahaha… I can see that. On a route I often do… the first 2k is on sidewalk with a stop light or two and shoes usually always feel harsh and not fun on it. Once I get to the river and the run/bike paths… magic happens and shoes instantly feel great.
Just consider it a “forced” warmup. 😂
That's so weird, I recently got them. And everytime I wore them, our of the house I'm like yeah the foam's pretty nice and soft, then when I start running it's like man it's hard, where's all the nice soft foam gone. Same with the deviate nitro 2. I think maybe cause it's my first time with these peba/ super foams. wondering where's all that bounce/energy return everyone's talking about
@intosite7279 Interesting. Since you are new to superfoams maybe you are expecting a little too much? Superfoams are good but they aren’t ALL that… plus it takes some trial and error to find the one you and your running respond too.
@@SagasuRunning yes I definitely think I'm not yet ready for them
@intosite7279 Keep at it. Plated (rods) shoes also take some getting used too. It’s a very different sensation. Adidas’s foams are on the firmer side too… so that will take some getting used too coming from none Adidas or Adidas Boost foams.
My boston 12 is at 250km. I totaly agree with you. It's the best trainer on the market.
It is outstanding. The more I run in it the more impressed I am with it. It just keep getting better and proving itself to my feet and legs.
Absolutely loved my pair. They wore out at 223 miles for me. Do let me know the mileage for your pair after retiring them
I'm @435km right now. I think it will last 800km. But I'll let you know.
70 miles in with mine. Ran thru snow, wet surfaces, some dirt, roads, and the outsole is still untouched, I’m actually VERY impressed
Same… except the snow… the durability is outstanding and the shoe performs well anywhere I take it.
I’m glad you mentioned that it would be a good race shoe option for someone just now getting into doing races. I was considering running in the B12 for the Broad Street Run(10 miler) which would be only my second race and until this past weekend I hadn’t ran that distance and the B12 felt really good. I’m a slower/heavier runner and not to be off topic, but I think that it does speak to the question whether plated/rodded shoes are good at slower paces, because I can surely tell the difference between say my Novablast 3 and the B12 as I feel more efficient/faster in the B12.
The B12 is an excellent option for you. Plated shoes ARE good. They offer efficiencies for all runners, some shoes more than others and it is diminishing returns the slower you run… plus not every plated shoe works for every runner. But they do make a difference!
Plus… if you feel faster in a a shoe… often you will be. Feeling fast, especially on race day, is a HUGE thing.
Enjoy your race! Good luck. 🤙🏻
look at any (amateur) race and you will see tons of different shoes including many shoes that are not "suitable" for racing. The key point is what works for you, most impotantly if it feels comfortable (unless you happen to have a lab to test efficiency). You just want to finish? Take a max cushion or daily trainer that you normally use. A bit more ambitious? Look for faster shoes, super trainers or super shoes. In each category RUclips can help find the top tier, but I've bought many a shoe that was supposed to be (one of) "the best" that then did not work for my biomechanics, gotta try and find something that works for you.
@@therunophil You made some very good points. I would say I'm a runner doing it for the physical/mental benefits and fast times is not as important for me at the moment. I just want to make sure I'm setting a baseline for just being able to cover certain distances (goals for 10 miler to Half Marathon this year). I have a few shoes to rotate and I will be sure to go with what feels best at the time the race comes.
@Runstrong_Chris Sounds like the Boston is a good choice for you, certainly a top tier super trainer. A Adios Pro or Endorphin Pro may be a bit faster if you are desperate for marginal gains but it's anyways a good idea to evolve slowly, I started racing with daily shoes over non-plated speed day shoe to Nylon plated trainer and now I buy way too many carbon racers as part of a ridiculously large rotation. 😉
As a heavier and slower runner I also really like the Superblast, very durable but expensive.
Thanks for the review. I picked up a pair this morning and went a half size down. Not for overall fit but because the toe spring felt better positioned for me.
Sounds like it’s a proper fit then. Getting your foot in the right place over the plate/rods is key. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning i wear the Ultraboost 1.0 in 44. Do you recommend the Boston 12 in same size or 1 size down?
@CARPital I’ve never run in ultra boosts….but if it were me that is where I’d start.
@@SagasuRunning Ok, thank you for replying
@@SagasuRunning one last question, do you wear the Boston 12 and Velocity Nitro 3 in the same size?
This was the best and most comprehensive of all B12 reviews I’ve seen (many), congrats.
B12 does not feel heavy but it does feel bottom heavy as all the weight is at the bottom of the shoe. I hope they can distribute the weight more equally around the foot in the next update - maybe by adding just a little more padding to heel area and increasing the share of the lighter LS Pro over LS 2.0 so as not to increase overall weight. Of course the large amount of Conti rubber also adds to bottom heaviness.
For me getting a good lockdown was an issue until I replaced the laces with softer laces from another brand shoes and laced them until the very last hole (skipped the second last though, no runner’s loop).
Now I am not sure if I should buy another pair of B12 before summer or wait until B13, who knows when it will come… if even in 2024? and as said I also hope they add some more LS Pro in it.
Ya, that bottom heaviness is an Adidas characteristic due to their foams. The huge slab of Conti rubber adds to it too (though I’d not remove it at all).
I’m curious how much they rethink their heel/Achilles counter design in the coming generation of all Adizero shoes. I also think we will see more LSP foam in the next Boston.
I’d expect the Boston 14 this year to launch a bit before or with the new Adios Pro. We should have a better idea starting in March/April as 2024 Adizero stuff will start launching.
US men's size 9 is what I wear, the boston 12 size 9 was huge on my feet, sent them back for size 8.5 yesterday
Under TTS in the B12 and have had zero issues. US men’s size 9 as well.
Hey Chris, a superb video as always on a very beautiful shoe , that I only don't purchase because I would not have a use for it. I absolutely have to convey to you my appreciation for your well-made videos. The attention to detail and your ability to keep the review simultaneously technical and easy to follow is hugely impressive mate. Furthermore I value greatly that when you describe the sensations that you felt during running you explain to us what you think as to what causes them. Often I read reviews with empty descriptions that are of no use to me as I do not know then if that will affect me as well. Also the depth of your videos and the way you approach the analyses of your shoes sensitises me to the many features of a shoe that one can observe. So again, thank you very much for your effort you put into these videos and I am looking very much forward to watching the next one. Cheers.
I appreciate the kind words and feedback. When I began to think of my review format one of the main things I wanted to cover is “how something feel” and then explain why I think that is the case and what the product team maybe had in mind. Obviously that’s just me and my experience now but over time my review format will have a lot of references points for other shoes. Also I hope to be able to access brands directly to get more details and confirmation on my thinking… hopefully someday.
Thank you again for the feedback… it means a lot! 🤙🏻
I totally agree. Most reviews I get here in Brazil are mostly like repeating marketing stuff from brands. Yeah that's useful, but a good rewiew can't limit just to that. The feeling as a user has is so important.
I'm a heavy recreational runner, so the standard "harder faster longer" mostly doesn't apply to me.
Boston 12 is great, to me, for having a thick layer of Continental rubber, since I'm not trying to win races and specialized racing shoes have slim outsoles to drop weight.
Anyway the remarks on how the motions feels like Evo is most interesting. I think I'll never race it, but knowing the motion I train at B12 is at the same direction as AP3 and Evo is comforting.
great breakdown. I'll get the B12 when it drops in price. I want the Adios as well. I'm with you carbon plated everyday - is no good for my feet, leads to PF imo.
I have no problem training in plated shoes, I do it often, but I make sure to spend at least 2-3 (or more runs) a week in non plated shoes. It keep my feet healthy and happy.
Bro 100% gives me PF!!! Adios pro 3 are the best shoes I’ve ever run in. My HR is pretty s lower for a faster pace then all my other race shoes including vapors. But I rarely run in them without picking up a niggle and when I raced a half in them I hit a PB and did it easy tbh but my prize was PF and wiped me out for a month. They’re like that girl that’s toxic af but you love her anyway.
Foot strength. Spend as much time barefoot and in flexible trainers. It will make a world of difference. I struggled with PF for a while. Even made a video on it and I how resolved it.
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I purchase the Boston 12 and at first I really dislike the shoe until mile 25. When I past the 25 mile marker the shoe transforms. I really love it. I do
Everything ( Tempo and Long runs ) it’s my go to shoe it’s a work horse.
Yup… adidas shoes/foams, all benefit from a break in period.
@@SagasuRunninghow long did it take to break in? Debating between the Boston 12 and the Saucony Endorphin Speed 3
30-40km
Nice review, glad to find your channel! Nice colorway, it's a great looking shoe. I'm about to do my 4th session in them, not sure what I make of them just yet, I agree the laces are not the best. I replaced them after my first run and replaced with some cheapo amazon standard flat laces.
I am finding that I simply can't run slow runs in this shoe at the moment, it just wants to go faster.
This is a shoe they doesn’t like to go slow… it can… it just prefers not too. It’s another reason I wouldn’t recommend this as a solo daily trainer… it’s just too easy to run much faster than planned.
But to be able to do easy running in combination with faster running, like in a workout, is important. This shoe does they very well.
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Just bought two new pairs of these, about to hit 1000km in my first pair, and since I live in China I was able to get these for much cheaper than in Western countries. Usually they cost about the same as they go for on sale in America, I was able to get two pairs for the price of one pair on sale in America. Can't wait to break them in.
Nice find! Enjoy them. They are a great shoe. 🤙🏻
I love this shoe so much that I'm waiting for Adidas to put them on sale after next year's model release so I can snatch up several pairs.
That’s a good plan… just incase. 🤙🏻
Since I have the Prime X2 (for super long runs or just the "I want to have fun days")and the Adios Pro 3 and Takumi Sen9 (for the lulz) this Video was really really really helpfull for me,.
I was really split if the Boston 12 would be nice addition for a daily trainer up to 12k since I'm a bit worried the Adios Pro 3 has not the durability to work as a daily trainer.
The Prime X2 holds very well up, 200k in and almost no signs of wear and tear. The Adios in the otherhand has 250k in and shows some direct wear on the outsole, which is normal. So I was thinking to get the Boston 12 as a "more durable Adios Pro 3".
Thanks for making this more clear... many people shy away to compare the Boston, or similiar Shoes with the "Super shoes"
I’m glad this video was useful then. The B12 definitely punches above its weight. It works well with the AP3… but you don’t need it… the AP3 is the better shoe here (especially if it fits your foot). 🤙🏻
FWIW I wash shoes too. In a tropical environment, I find it is pretty necessary.
In a front load machine or by hand with soap and a brush or scrubby in the shower is fine in my opinion. A top load machine with a spindle will fuck up a shoe though - especially if the water is hot enough to soften the heel counter or other plastic elements.
I had a friend who was so OCD that he washes his shoes by hand after every run - which I do not endorse.
100% necessary in hot/humid climates.
Also.. I am one of those OCD people who wash my shoes after every run. My shoes always come into the shower with me and get at least a rinse or a mild soap (Dr. Bronners castile soap). Then they dry in front of a fan. Always, after ever run.
Very informative and explanatory video. Thank you!
14:43 Could you elaborate more on this issue please? ( i.e. why you disagree with training 100% on a plated shoe)
I’ve discussed it in numerous other videos… but it’s about training stimulus. By running in plated shoes all of the time you are loosing some ability to build foot and leg strength.
It’s best to mix them with non-plated shoes to make sure you build that essential foot strength.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you for the prompt reply. I’ll check in the other videos of your channel as well. I was under the impression that the main problem with the continuous use of plated shoes is that they could cause “directly” injures. I use non plated shoes for my everyday run and a plated shoe (puma deviate nitro 2) on race day, and for a few workouts before each race. So I was wondering if it was the case to upgrade for the race day with an even stiffer shoe, using on the other hand the DN2 more often as a daily trainer.
Thank you again for replying 🙂
@@Keeperholder2 Training in plated shoes is not a problem… just mix in a non-plated shoe a few runs per week to mix up the training stimulus.
Exceptional review as always. We are being spoiled by the work you put out.
I have a question you could provide an answer to. I am currently waiting for Novablast 4 stock to arrive in my size 9.5US but my curiosity is being called by the Superblast. You say that the Boston 12 is a stiff ride, how does the Superblast ride compared to the Boston?
I don't find the Boston 12 LSP to be too stiff for me, and the rolling sensation is very enjoyable. It is a very fast shoe for me that I have to watch my pace when using them especially on long runs. The other shoes in my training rotation now aside from the Boston 12 is the Puma DN2 and the Nike Inv3, so I was looking for a non plated long run trainer.
I’m actually going to do a video comparing the Boston 12 to the Superblast… since so many are asking the same question. It will be the next long form video on the channel this weekend
The short of it is… the SB is a less stiff ride. FFTurbo is a foam that I find firmer than LSP with much less resilience. So the rebound is less springlike and more mild. Therefore the SB is less stiff (no plate/rods) slightly less rolling ride than the B12…
For a non-plated long run trainer… the Superblast cannot be beat.
Thank you for the kind words. 🙏🏻
loved my Boston 12, especially on faster runs but unfortunately the upper in the middle toe started fraying after 1 week of use and I had to return it. currently waiting for new stocks of my size.
You must have a strong toe! 😅
I do see how the upper material could fray in some instances. Hopefully they improve it in the B13.
I just picked up a pair in my size (8.5) and I tried it on and it was really tight. I've loosened up the laces and will be going on a run in the ext few days. I'm anticipating a long break in period.
The upper softened up after 20-30k and a wash or two and the midsole broke in around 40-50k (which is typical of LSP).
@@SagasuRunning Thank you.
Im here because in a few days my pair will be delivered. I like the colorway btw its my 1st adidas running shoe. Can i used it to run my half marathon races? Thanks for the nice review.
This is a great shoe for a half, assuming you have no other option. A super shoe will be faster, but this one is close.
I’ve done 3 half marathons in them. They were great! Only advice would be to double let the laces as mine opened up once mid race 😢
Fastest being 1:46:22
Enjoyed the review, thank you! Was all set to get the Boston 12s but ended with Adios Pro 3s, couldn't resist trying them at the sale price.
Some great prices on the AP3 lately. It is objectively the better shoe as well. Enjoy them.
Nice! I would be interested in this for a firmer choice, I love LSP. But I cannot cope Adizero heel design. Lack of padding where it is needed: On achilles. I got blistering heelrub w. Prime X strung. Will not risk another Adizero. Also, that lateral heel bevel makes a speedbump for heelstrikers. You addressed it. My experience w. any more than stantard heel beveling ruins it for heelstrikers. I am 3+ hr marathon heelstriker. Maybe 2.40 heelstrikers don´t suffer from heel bevels or soft heels.
I gotta point out my point of view for heelstrikers and soft heels. All soft heels ruin it for heelstrikers, bogging after 30km. After Tempo Next%, I wonder when we will have a real fast shoe w. a firm heel and normal heel bevel. Looks never.
Excellent recommendation in the end! I am sure AP3 medial low eyelet will destroy my big toe knuckle, again... I wonder if Adidas will ever get their uppers right :P
While not in the same class...the Adizero SL gives you some of the LSP feel without the harsh Adidas upper. Though the SL2 looks to have a more minimal heel again.
I'm no longer a heelstriker, but I was about 15 years ago (until I changed to a forefoot strike) so I remember the movement and how it feels. While running in a heelstrike is awkward for me, I do appreciate the lateral heel bevel to capture and smooth the strike and guide the shoe into the midfoot. However, I could see how that could get VERY annoying over time.
I also agree, overly soft heels are the worst for heel striking. What feels ok at 1km is torture at 30km. it's the same for a forefoot strike.
The AP3 upper is possibly one of the most poorly consider design and engineering choices in running shoes right now. It's absolutely shocking that upper made it through user testing. I made a 20min+ video on this channel about it last summer...but the midsole and outsole...so SO good.
I'm actually going to be taking the AP3 out again for a few runs in the coming weeks to test something...I already bought a box of band-aids (plasters) to strategically place on my foot and hope for the best...
Great comment as well. I appreciate your engagement here!
very great looking color :)
The Ekiden color pack is great… especially the Boston.
Totally agreed about the Adios Pro 3 being the better option, even more so given the current discounts. I have the Boston 12, they are good, but I can use the Adios Pro 3 for just about the same runs and enjoy them more
If it fits one’s foot the AP3 is the better shoe, especially training for a race AND racing. That being said, the B12 fits my foot better and a race in Vaporflys and use the AP3 very sparingly due to the fit. You can’t go wrong with either shoe though.
I believe it’s important to take durability into account. You are nos training in the B12 because it’s better than the AP3, you are training in them because you don’t want to burn your race day shoes.
Not everyone has multiple super shoes
@jorgemedina9526 The AP3s are very durable…plus LSP lasts forever and is the tank of super foams. It is the one super shoe I’d have no worries putting hundreds of training miles into AND then racing them.
@@jorgemedina9526 Yeah, correct, but that’s why I mentioned the discount on the Adios Pro 3. I’d obviously not choose them as daily trainer at full price, but, at least here in the UK, you can get a pair of Adios Pro 3 at basically the same price as the Boston 12…just £10 more
I@@SagasuRunning Is the AP3 as durable as the Boston?. The other thing might be psychological, but I like my race day shoes feeling fresh, and that I have a special pop I use exclusively for that day.
Given what you say about Lightstrike Pro, I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on the Adios 9, which is rumored to be full Lightstrike Pro.
I absolutely cannot wait for that shoe. The thing about LSP is in smaller chunks, like in the Adios… it’s not too out of control. Also that out of control feeling is not a bad thing…. In a race shoe… just in a trainer.
My current rotation is as follows:
Novablast 3 for dry weather easy days
Boston 12 for wet weather conditions, on longer runs (>16k)
Asics Magic Speed 2 for speedier runs up to the half marathon distance
Interesting mix.
@@SagasuRunning living in a tropical region really means that weather here is pretty humid and warm, and rainy days are both a blessing and a curse hahah
Post rain runs are cool tho
Same here in Taipei. It’s sub-tropical here but right in the border and always wet and humid here and hot 10 months out of the year. Trust me… I feel you.!
So one reviwer said he liked B12 for easy runs and that cought me by surprise cos i don't like them for easy runs at all. It turned out (he said it in another video) that his easy runs are 4 min/km which is my current 5km pace haha. Did a 10k race in B12 and it's been raining prior to race. Guys that wore Saucony's had major slipping issues while B12 GRIP was top notch.
Continental outsoles are the best in road running. Full stop!
My easy pace, or really what I call steady pace, is currently around 4:50-5:10/km range, at least what I consider”easy” in the B12. Anything slower I’ll grab another shoe.
The B12 comes alive for me the fast I go. I especially love it for 10k and half marathon paces, around 4:00-4:20/km or so for me right now.
Soon time to swap out my Deviate Nitro 2. Think I'll need to give the Boston 12 another try.
Maybe keep yours eyes open as there should be a Deviate Nitro 3 and (likely) a Boston 13 in the coming months…
Absolutely loved my pair. Agreed it has its limitations, hoping they fix the laces in the next iteration.
But the shoes are very versatile. Short runs , long runs and tempo/ track. They do everything!
Had to retire mine at 223 miles. Tried squeezing in a few more miles but ended up hurting my foot.
Curious to know how long they’ve lasted for other users
Definitely an excellent shoe for marathon training and the long running you need for that type of build. Mine have 220km on them at the moment…. The outsole is just starting to show minor wear and upper has one spot where my little toe rubs that is wearing…. But other than that they look nearly new.
I’m not running in them much at the moment as I don’t need them… but they are a great shoe when I don’t want to run in a super shoe.
We have seen no leaks on a Boston 13. So no info… at all. It’s the only Adizero shoe we have seen no leaks on… which makes me wonder if we will see a B13?
I hope that we do. The 12s were my favorite shoes of 2023 and adidas have a great foundation to build upon
It’ll be a shame if we don’t 🥲
Either the Evo C we have seen is a replacement for the Boston (doubt it) or maybe Adidas is moving the Boston to a 2 year dev cycle. We shall see.
I wonder how much you would be interested in the Boston 12 if the adios pro 3 upper worked for you. I had several pairs of Boston 10 and 11 and the stiffness was good for me at the time working through a foot injury.
If you really look at a Boston 10/11 there is not that much lightsrike pro. There is a rim around the edge that makes it look much thicker than it really is. Even in the forefoot it is in a lightsrike carrier.
I have a pair of Adios Pro 3 and I cannot imagine going back to the Boston. The upper is perfectly comfortable but the Pro 3 is just so, so, so much lighter. I cannot emphasize this enough. It also doesn’t have the dull thud of lightsrike.
I like the AP3 but not for a race. I like the Takumi Sen and it is fun for some workouts but not practical for many kinds of races and it’s kind of unstable so the road needs to be good. I like the adios 8 for a workout shoe, but it’s not the second coming or anything. I’m actually not sure that the adidas line really does what I need in a practical way.
I have been doing 80-90% of kms lately in the TS Eliot Runner. I got an email that they are making an Eliot Racer - I am extremely skeptical.
I have a feeling the Endorphin Speed 4 would do me to replace all of those adios shoes and I could race in an Endorphin Pro 4. Both of those are by all accounts great shoes and are much, much lighter than a AP3. I enjoyed the Speed 2 but I kind of associated it with some transient knee pain I had from being crammed into long haul economy flights between Africa, Europe, Africa, Europe, and the States and got rid of them. :(
If the AP3 upper didn’t hurt my foot the way it does AND I don’t have a history with the Boston, I’d likely be back where I was last June… just running in super shoes for a plated shoe.
They being said, given the direction Adidas seems to be headed with their foams and super shoes… having a solid fast trainer from the brand to work with a super shoe… seems like a must.
The Boston is like the Pegasus for me… I will always pay attention to it. Especially now that I got over the 10/11…
I’m actually gravitating to the Adidas line lately. I’m preferring the firmer foams quite a bit lately. I’m extremely curious about the 2024 models.
However… once Nike drops the Peg41 and Turbo4… I’ll be very curious how they feel and work with a Vaporfly…
Out of curiosity, if the “sweet” spot of so many shoes is pace dependent, why not specify actual min/mile or km/mile paces instead of “5K pace” or “10k pace”. Those references mean nothing if we all have different speeds. 🤷🏼♂️
It’s not, not completely. Your biomechanics play a much larger role as do your own preferences.
Plus pace is relative to you. So putting a number on it is nearly impossible.
A bit late to the party here. Reckon it can compete with the Superblast as a dedicated long run shoe? Or is it always gonna be more for mainly up-tempo work?
I consider the B12 and SB1/SB2 completely interchangeable. They do the same thing and do it well. It just comes down to do you want a plated or non plated shoe for this type of running.
Watch my B12 vs SB1 video for more (it’s the video directly after this one on the channel).
It's really deep.
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Wait, 2:51 you "wash" your shoes? If so please tell us more. I am OCD and clean mine with baby wipes after every run but would never think of putting them in a washing machine.
I swapped the laces out on my Boston 12s and it has been a nice upgrade the stock laces were too long, thin and slippery. Have you ran in the Puma Deviate Nitro 2 I think that is the best outsole for grip when running on wet roads.
Thanks for the amazing content.
I always bring my shoes into the shower with me post run… and at least rinse them… or if they need it I use a mild soap (Dr Bronners castile soap) and a sponge to clean where needed. Then they dry in front of a fan.
I have never put shoes in a washing machine. I especially would never put performance shoes in one.
I’ve not tried Puma shoes yet… but I will be covering them this year. I’m eagerly awaiting the Velocity Nitro 3 to be released here in Taiwan… I’ll also be covering the DN3 and possibly the DNE3…
I machine wash my running shoe every couple of runs, we wash our running clothes - why the shoes would be different... we sweat into shoes too right ??
@tkwasik Yup. The oils in your sweat are one of the primary things that break down the hours and foams in running shoes, especially the uppers. It’s best to clean them off the shoe after use.
Good review as ever but I do think it does rather illustrate you always need to try a shoe for yourself to see if really works for you. In my UK 13.5/US 14 I just struggled to get any excitement for it at all. Calling it a rigid brick that does not fit my narrow feet as well as some other adidas shoes is a bit harsh but it's not way off. Yeah I could "get going" in it but so I can in nearly all my shoes if am really inclined to. Maybe trying it to use it in a lot lower temperatures than you may also have a bearing as the Lightstrike doesn't really like the cold in my experience. The Adios 8 is closer to what I liked about pre Boston 10 editions. I note my pair of them is still significantly heavier than your Boston 12 and therein may well be my problem. And, as otherwise mentioned, the Adios Pro 3 for me is about the same weight as an Adios 8 so if i am doing anything faster or longer makes more sense to use the Pro 3 as it is not my racer of choice anyway. Boston 12 sort of feels like a dumb downed version of it. Yeah if the Pro 3 was your race shoe I can see why would need the Boston 12. Otherwise I will take the 50g less in the Speeds for general training.
Ya… this one is definitely about fit. I can see why a long narrow foot would struggle in these. Then again you can likely get more use out of the Takumi Sen than me.
The B12 is not a replacement for the B9 for me… as I’ve said the Nnormal Kjerag is the most direct replacement I’ve felt yet… rather the B12 is a very modern “fast” trainer… and it works (for me).
I’m going to spend a little time in the AP3 (I got my band-aids ready…and the VF3 to compare in the next week or so. I’m working on a longer term video comparing a bunch of things… I’m curious what the data will say… so far what I’ve seen though is that the B12 works well for me.
@@SagasuRunning always key "working for you" - largely why there are so many shoes. I will try my Boston 12 again as curiously I "sort of" started to like the Boston 11 as, although heavier than the 11, it rolled along quite well in a straight line as it were. That one had a narrower fit though and I think I would always "excuse" a bit of extra overall weight for a snugger mid foot. I wore a VF1 for 200m reps last night and it was interesting how well that hugs my midfoot with the Vaporweave. It kind of made me realise why that sort of shoe was probably too narrow for most. Will have to try the TS9 again too. Not seen my size yet in the TS10 but it seems fairly similar to the 8 and 9 so not really sure where adidas are going. Most oddly adidas UK have been selling 8, 9 and 10 of late. How to confuse customers for sure!
I miss vaporweave… it was nice to see it on the Ultrafly but it’s not a good trail upper. Vaporweave gave the best race fit I’ve ever had.
The TS10 has the full heel-to-toe Energyrod 2.9 system now which seems to make the shoe “less fun” according to the reviews I’ve seen. The TS9 should be the ultimate shoe for your foot and taste in flats like that… it’s as old school Adios as still exists, at least in fit.
For better or for worst, Adidas pressed the reset button and is rebranding/remaking almost all their shoe's line. Even my beloved SolarGlide might disappear for something else to arise. We will see what's going to happen, but I'm worried I might not like it .
Since the launch of the SolarGlide 5 and now I'm still using the SolarGlide 6, it is the high cushioning shoes I always recommend, if you want just one shoes. I buy around.12 or more shoes every year and more then half are cushioning shoes and the SolarGlide 5&6 is the best of the best, for me at least.
I'm still hoping to see a SolarGlide 7 using Boost Light ...
Ya… I noticed that. Complete lines from the brand are changing in many areas. It’s quite interesting. So far so good for me. No models have changed for the worst for me… yet.
I got over 500 running miles in my solarglide 5. Man they were a tank of a shoe. Retired them to daily work duty. The solarglides evolved from the mid/ late 2010's supernovas (awesome shoes)and then adidas brought supernova back as a lame budget non continental offering, while tbe solarglides gained weight year after year. Now the solarglides are being replaced by the new supernova series.
To be fair… the new Supernova series looks solid. I know they are very different shoes from the Solarglide… but there is supposedly a “max cushion” version coming at some point…
I've seen other reviews, they said that it blister their heel
I've personally never had any issues with the heel. However, Adizero's heel design has been problematic for many runners. It is evolving in the 2024 models.
How is the fit/middle arch compared to the 11? (tried on store, didn't fit my feet at all, the middle arch was too big for my flat foot)
I didn’t bother with the 11… but did try the 10. I find the fit of the 12 to be considerably better. The last Adidas uses for the B13/A8/AP3 fits my foot well.
Also I have a high arch and high volume foot, so mid foot lockdown is sometimes an issue for me due to volume. At first the B12 felt rigid intnhe mid foot and the lacing took a re-tie or two (like I mentioned) but once the shoe softened up I found it quite comfortable.
If the shoe had a better tongue and laces it would be even better.
Love your work. I do race in the Adios Pro 3 and find it super comfortable. However because it’s so expensive I’d love to find a long run training shoe to pair with it. Do you not think the Boston is a good choice? Too fast? My marathon pace probably around 5.10-5.20. Superblast instead?
The Boston 12 IS the show to pair with the AP3. It’s not that they don’t pair well, they do, it’s just the AP3 is better in everyway and can handle the training.
The B12 is going to be familiar on long runs coming from the AP3. The Superblast will as well, but will take some getting used too if you’ve never running Asics.
I do have a video comparing the B12 vs SB for my full thoughts.
Thank you for the support! 🤙🏻
I wanted to love this shoe but for some reason, I had a slight heel-slipping issue which gave me a mild heel injury after three runs (each run is 5K).
I also found it nearly impossible to get a good lockdown:
- Could not get the tongue to stay in place
- I have a high instep and when using a runner's knot the laces were VERY short on my feet.
- Fettucini laces are very shitty
Everything else was amazing but I had to return it.
I also have a high instep and high volume foot and have not had any real issues, post break in, with the B12… but I am considering replacing the laces… we shall see.
Now you have b12 compare it to endorphin speed 4. They said es4 is the killer of boston 12.
I do plan to cover the ES4 this year… but Saucony isn’t really sold much here in Taiwan, so they are hard to find here. So it may take some time… but I’ll get there. It also may be a B13 bs ES4 video too.
I doubt es4 will be any different in softness to previous models so not really comparable for people who look for firmer foams ....
Objectively the ES4 seems to be firmer over the ES3… that being said it still seems softer than I would like, so I have very low expectations.
Nice review! I love my B12. I've seen all your videos about the Superblast and it seems like you are pretty positive about that shoe too. How would you compare these two shoes and which one would you pick for an all-rounder trainer or companion to a super shoe racer?
It depends. If you race in one of the super shoes I mention in this video… I think the B12 is better. If you race in another super shoe, including the Alphafly… the Superblast is better. It really comes down to that… what super shoe you want to pair it with. Otherwise I think both shoes are extremely capable at what they do…
Thanks! I race and do intervals in VF2. Have been using Endorphin Speed 3 and B12 for other trainings and both are about to retire. I love both but I find them bottoming out on long runs. Also B12's upper is definitely not the best (gave me lots of blisters for the first 100km, then it stopped and I've been loving it since). I've also run in Takumi Sens and AP3 and love the LSP foam, but the uppers of the Adizero series leave a lot to be desired. Think I'll give the Superblast a try!@@SagasuRunning
@@dynamike9248 Ya, Adidas uppers either work well for your foot or they don’t work at all. They can be rough on the foot. The Superblast upper is great and doesn’t have that issue at all.
I wanted to love the Boston 12, but the heel lift is brutal for my feet. The combination of a rock hard heel counter with zero padding and the inner heel collar not going far enough back to assist with locking down the heel limits what I can use this shoe for without destroying my heels. I'll still wear it occasionally for shorter lolly gag runs, but it's kinda like taking a sports car to get groceries. Thankfully I only paid $95 CAD for the shoe. And I have since replaced the Boston 12 in my lineup with the Novablast 3 which is amazing...for me. Asics heels might just work for me.
I've considered modifying the shoe by putting in silicone heel padding to bridge the missing heel collar. Just seems a shame to effectively shelf the shoe.
Strangely enough I seem to get along ok with the Takumi Sen8 (350km on the shoe) and the heels are very similar with the exception that the heel pocket is soft/flexible so I think it's acting like padding.
You know, until fairly recently I didn’t know people had issues with the Adizero heels. It came up in conversation around the Norda 001, which has a similar heel design. It’s the reason I mentioned it (in passing) in this video.
I can’t remember the last shoe I had heel issues with other than Asics, haha… especially the Novabalst 3…the blisters that shoe would give my Achilles were insane.
The TS9 and AP3 definitely have a softer, more “cup” like heel… the B12 and A8 have the same plastic counter though. None of them have ever given me the slightest amount of discomfort or lift… I do have issues with most Adidas uppers somewhere… but never the heel.
@@SagasuRunning Ya, I have a very pronounced profile difference between the rounded part of my heel and my achilles. So I've never experienced achilles rubbing in any footwear in my life.
I haven't tried Asics racers, just the Nimbus and Novablast lines. But I don't suspect I will change my racer of choice (Alphafly) anytime soon. Although as I'm now getting down to 3:15hr marathon I'm considering trying a Vaporfly for the first time for half marathon and down.
Great content as always!
@timtrenholm3698 Oh… I’m excited for you to try the Vaporfly for the first time then… it’s one of those shoes that I wish I could experience again for the first time.
I ran my two last marathons in Adios Pro 3. My time is between 3:40 and 3:50 hours (pre-pandemic I was faster than that but time hasn’t passed in vain). At my pace I think Boston 12 is best option for doing marathon thinking in finish at 3:35-3:40. What do you think??
I’d say go with the one that is more comfortable over the distance. On paper the AP3 is the faster shoe, even at your pace, but if the Boston 12 fits better than it will perform better for you. I’d do a 25k long run in both, with a big chunk of MP and see which feels better compared to your metrics for both runs.
Where would you see this shoe vs something like the Superblast for a LR/MP shoe?
As I said in another comment… it comes down to what super shoe you are racing in. If it’s one of the ones I mentioned in this video the B12 is the shoe… it’s it’s any other super shoe, including the Alphafly, I’d suggest the Superblast.
Both shoes are great and they do similar things.
@@SagasuRunning cool insight, thanks
Did anyone size down for the Boston 12? I had the Boston 12 for a short time. Wasn't too impressed with it. My feet were swimming in my normal 10.5. Might try the shoe again with a size down.
I did mention in the “vs” video I did comparing the B12 to the Superblast…that if you want a race fit you could size down .5 size. I went TTS in mine as I wanted a training fit though.
How is this compared to the Saucony Endorphin Speed 3? Debating between the 2. Does the Boston get more comfortable after the break in? Also, how many miles does it take to break in?
I never ran in the ES3… the B12, really any LSP shoes benefits form 30-50k to break it in, less the heavier you are.
I'm still struggling if I should wear my Pro 3 (old /new) or Boston 12 for my key workout tomorrow night which I will run 4K tempo pace, 3K tempo pace-5s, 2K tempo pace-10s, 1K tempo pace-15s. This vid gives me an impression that I should train with Boston 12 to pair with Evo 1 which I don't have this pair. PS. I've already worn my new Pro 3 for the last key workouts, about 10K each, which brought me a very successful performance. What do you think? Sorry for asking you this kind of shoe selection question again :p
For a key workout… do it in the shoes you plan to race in, the specific pair. So if you are racing the new AP3s… do the workout in those. This is my rule of thumb always. To train in the shoes you race in. Save the B12s for steady running and when you want a shoe a little less racey.
The B12 pairs with the AP3 well… but my point in the video is that you don’t NEED it if you already have the AP3. However, if you are toy have it… they pair nicely.
Good luck with the workout!
@@SagasuRunning Very helpful, as always! Thank you🙂. Will do tomorrow's workout in my new AP3 tomorrow night again.
Whats your improvements recommendations for Boston 13?I have plated daily trainer Puma Deviate 2 but Should I buy B12 pair or wait for better discounts ? ha ha
If you have the DN2… use they and wait for the B13. Improvements? The upper can be softer and I’d like to see more LSP foam and less LS2.0 foam in the shoe… but beyond that I’m not sure. A lot depends on what we see in the AP4/5.
I am a 12.5 in my Nike daily trainers so I’m guessing I need to go with 12.5. Never ran in adidas. Thoughts on size?
I went TTS and wear a size 9 in both Nike and Adidas. Some people say you need to size a half size down in the Boston 12 but I don’t agree.
Boston 12 or NB4? I would love to know your opinion and buying guide
Two different shoes. One is a soft cushioned trainer and the otherwise a plated fast trainer. It’s not an either/or…. It’s a this/and.
The two shoes compliment each other well.
do you recommend to go half size down if I would like a snug feel?
Yes…
12 miles in and feel crap, hopefully its what some of you say here it gets better
LSP does take a bit to break in, 40-50k (25-30mi) or around there...
i have a question, thinking of going to get a pair of this, my routine for training is just 5k perday, im hitting the speed of 9km 10km and 12km /h daily on a treadmill, sometimes pavement , would this fits me if I were to get a pair, plus point here is the new ekiden colorway.
I never had any super shoes before, this would be my first, I also wanted something to do some workouts in it.
I am contemplating between
1. Superblast
2. Magic Speed 3
3. S4
Boston 12 is the cheapest of them all
Without knowing more about your running and assuming you already have a pair of non-plated daily trainers you like I’d go for the S4 or Boston 12. Both will introduce you to a plated shoe but will be versatile enough for many types of running.
@@SagasuRunning thanks for the reply!
Yes I do have a non plated daily trainer but my goal is to switch to new shoes.
My routine is simple for now, daily running for 5k in 25 to 27 mins, two days off on Friday and Saturday. I would try to be below 30mins.
Focus is running purely 5k plus leg workouts
Knowing that I change my suggestion…. You want the Magic Soeed 3… it’s a pure tempo shoe and perfect for going after a fast 5k. From Adidas you’ll want the Takumi Sen, not the Boston.
Sir, is it okay if I go half a size up? I have a high arched feet :/
I do too and found TTS was right for me. There is certainly no disadvantage to going up. half a size, as long as the shoe isn't too big.
@@SagasuRunning thanks!
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Hi there, Boston 12 or Asics Novablast 4 in rotation with a superblast? thanks
NB4. The SB2 and B12 are the same shoe and entirely interchangable.
@@SagasuRunning thanks! you think it is a good rotation with the nb4 and the sb? thx
@whatever_shaker Check my recent “SB2 vs NB4” video… I talk a lot about it. I also have a “SB vs NB4” video on the channel.
@@SagasuRunning seen both! amazing videos. just wondering if I should go for a different brand as a proper rotation..
@whatever_shaker the NB4 and SB2 are really designed to work together. I couldn’t think of a better combo for what they are.
No New balance reviews?
As of right now I am not running in NB. Partly because I’m not a fan of their 2024 design direction(s) and partly because of access here in Taiwan (which I’ve discussed multiple times recently in videos). The Elite V4 and Rebel v4 are both hard passes for me, and I can’t get a standard width Rebel v4 anyway (we only have wides in TW, which is absolutely ridiculous). I’m still going to watch the SC Pacer v2… but I don’t see much different there then the rest of the line (same upper problems, fit problems, foam problems and geometry problems). So at this point I might just ignore the brand until 2025 and hope to revise things drastically. We will see.
Anyone have suggestions for a flexible non plated trainer to pair with the bos12??
So many options… from Adidas the Supernova Rise is excellent, the Adizero SL is great (and the SL 2 looks even better), the Puma Velocity Nitro 3 is near perfect working with the B12… and there are many others.
I’m covering the training space quite a bit in 2024. I’ll eventually have some videos on all of this later in the year.
New Balance Rebel V4. Great shoe!
There are tons of options other there… but not this one.
Pumagrip is way better than continental on Adidas
I’ll be testing that question this year. Stay tuned.