The enslaved black mind will defend his slave master book more than slave master himself. The colonized black mind will defend his colonizers book more than the colonizers himself.
The modulator you are talking about, we have about 12 million more of those people in Zimbabwe. The kicker is we think we will be able to resolve our political and economic problems by the hand of Jehovah. The majority of us cannot see that the real issue is an identity crisis. If we do not know who we are as a people then we do not know what's good for us. I have nothing against god but for once can Zimbabweans please acknowledge our own god and ancestors. Until then, we will continue to be punished by forces that are greater than us for the disrespect we show to them. I can't believe my people have surrendered our land and identity to Jehovah, a deity that has nothing to do with our African identity. I've learnt to look after myself and myself only because Zimbabweans are hopeless.
I am African living America. You are so correct. It’s one of our biggest problems now. People are so desperate and give in to these so called pastors that really need to be jailed for abusing their own people.
What an interesting discourse!! Unfortunately,honourable Mr Maponga is debating with a wrong African who is only prepared wholeheartedly to rationalize and protect the European misconception of religion,and Africans of his kind are a lot,due to the fact that the European religion is actually beneficial to them financially. Africa is in danger of being led by Africans who do not want to unlearn and decolonize themselves,absolutely this so-called pastor in the studio should be ashamed of himself.
Indeed,the pastor doesn't even know how and for what fundamental reason Christianity was formed,and the saddening thing is that,he is even shy of the fact that the Bible does not incorporate other scriptures which could have exposed the European lies,and self-confered superiority over blacks and other races,religion is political.
this back and forth has taught me one thing, an intellectual like maponga can only have a sensible debate/discussion with another intellectual, not someone who is too emotionaly attached to their religion
@@plaingospeltruth2427 well then leave vhristianity to the ethiopians and coptics of egypt since its their religion, it shouldnt be imposed in all of africa and less the yt bastersized version that was imposed on our ancestors through castration and intimidation and killing and raping our people into submission....lol
@AJAY16411 what makes this so nonsensical is that the clown admitted on several occasions that Mr Maponga was more educated than he on the subject 🤔 but failed to humble himself. In the words of Dr. JOHN HENRY CLARK: I ONLY DEBATE WITH MY PEERS AND ALL OTHERS I TEACH!!
@@earlmontgomery847You and MJ have lived in different times. You will never understand his bitterness of Christianity because he saw what Christianity did to his fellows.
"Religion is the organization of spirituality into something that became the hand maiden of conquerors. Nearly all religions were brought to people and imposed on people by conquerors, and used as the framework to control their minds" Dr. John Henrik Clarke
The reason why maponga should write in English is because the English men came in Africa and disrupted our African culture and spirituality. Oppressed, enslaved, colonized Africans and forced their religion on Africans. So to liberate the Africans you must use the language of the oppressors before reversing to the original African Spirituality.
Maponga we are in a time where you will not be understood unless The Most High "remove the scales from the eyes." I am sure that in the time when Messiah was here he was the most controversial, misunderstood and that is the reason why they plotted against him. Do what you are called to do, for the message you were asked to deliver will reach who you were sent to give the message.
Ay it seems like a confused head has been in the abyss for far too long to even see the light at it presence. May we all young Africans see the light through Baba Mamponga.
Impela bafo but this knowledge must be passed from generation to generation. Because the manipulators of this world are busy recruiting the pure people in to their scam
This pastor is busy ignorantly defending his bread winner.....(christianity) coz he's been brainwashed to think that religion solves all African problems. Baba maponga thx for schooling this preacher who even forgot his culture,roots by tolerating the colonial standards set in form of religion.
i wish i can speak face to face with mr Maphonga there's a lot Hes missing out, yes he is educated, yes he has many valid points however a if he can read bible and study history well He will know exactly the bible speak about africa and Jerusalem is here. For example if you can check these Maps of Africa 1554 by Sebastian Abraham Ortelius 1584 Willem Blaeu 1635:1644
This is a very interesting conversation. However, my beloved brother Joshua Mapongo should not be intimidated by the ignorance and inferiority complex of his opponents. Clearly, he is much more knowledgeable and versed with Christianity and traditional spiritual practices. Speaking from a well-informed position has the edge over them. This is why he should not allow brainwashed, ignorant individuals like these to throw him off his equibrileum and get upset. He must rather use a scientific approach and expose the flaws, lies, deception, and stupidity that are prevalent in the Bible along with its intended purpose to deceive. He must also expose the prostitution, piracy, and rape of African spiritual practices and culture. Clearly point out to them how all these versions of the Bible have stolen and perverted African indigenous theology and historical facts and expose the mind mapulation inflicted up them by colonialism and racism.
You will never get rid of Christianity; its forever. People like Maponga will not last forever, many years ago the world was shaken by the DaVinci code story and it disappeared.
As a Christian, I think the church and especially church leaders are not yet equipped to answer some of the modern questions that are floating online and in memes.
M commenting in english!! Mr Maponga no one can stand against you sir,I have been following your teachings and honestly I have learnt a lot from you sir❤
❤ Great conversation. Thank you Mr Mponga. Thank you Pastor 🎉. It is in my opinion that CHRISTIANITY as has been Driven into us Africans must be carefully replaced into the Box from which it came. Our Spirituality and original Cultural practices must be allowed to return to the status held before the Invasions. Long LIVE Mr TEACHER Mponga. Grace and Strength from Rastafari be yours all ways...🎉
It is clear to me that there are many more people that need to know the truth. Also they have not read the books that were taken out. When they read the books that were taken out it will be clear to them what Maponga was saying.
Maponga ,the once pastor slowly and steadily getting out of Christianity . .He is getting out of his mind and unfortunately many people are not a ware of his backsliding. Open your eyes, read the bible understand God through His .word. .from Kenya 🇰🇪
@@MartinChisevalet them continue following dead people/ancestors..we are in the end times and the bible says impostors will flourish..they will deceive others and will themselves be deceived 😢
You can say that again.Maponga is blind and nothing can change that unless God himself does it.talks too intelligently with no revelation of the scriptures his quoting
The christian god never created DARKNESS.He never created WATER and not even SPACE.(gen 1:2-3).Now tell me you christians if I am a madman or if I am possessed by evil demonic spirits.I'M LISTENING!!!!!!
Maponga has to write it in English to reach the 8 billion people. The guys Maponga is debating with are somehow asking idiotic questions. They tell him to give them a chance to speak but they fail to do the same
This pastor has a broblem of listening. He is too emotional.I cannot learn anything from him. Maponga is telling the truth . The scripture codes many books. Thanks to Joshua Maponga❤
Knowledge, wisdom n understanding comes from above they think Christianity is all not knowing that is a western culture that has bn forced to him n his forefathers when he wakes up from slumber I hope it won't be too late cz Christian ity it's a crap read the letter of king Leopold the 2snd u Wil vomit Christianity. Hvn n ear to listen is not for everyone only the chosen
That pastor is dead scared,defending his colonizer's religion.He's only scared because he won't get paid by his masters with money stolen from them through tithes and offerings ,which by the way is extortion through religious lies flying left,right through the pulpits.A lazy man's way of gaining wealth without one drop of sweat.A cargo cult mentality.
Maponga is such a great and intelligent elder he basically understands the scriptures much more than ignorant fanatics that always make their emotions speak louder than the truth they don’t need to hear always . In many cases such fanatics hates truth because they use Christianity to take money from our poor mothers and in the other hands they are leaving luxuries life.
Coming from a Black American here in America...I too had my Questions and saw the Contradictions as well as lived the Experiences of the Different Treatment towards Different looking Christians Based on the STANDARDS that Brother Maponga speaks of... Through my OWN Seeking and Questions, I am now into AFRICAN Spirituality....Im here to say that ONE MUST SEEK With tue HEART to get here...
These pastors are limited upstairs. Mr Maponga should never have honoured their invite. They are very difficult to engage with and more so, have limited scope biblically which they claim is their territory!!!
Even him Maponga seems to be so limited too. If he is welll educated should be able to move down to a level of any person he is discusing with... this thing of im more educated than you is a non starter show us that you are educated dont tell us
The Bible is not true words of God.the Bible is the man made tool of suppression and oppression, there's no proof whatsoever that Jesus christ ever actually existed it's the biggest hoax. Church is hustle and Jesus Christ is the product.
@@elvismahlabane2821 That’s correct, but people don’t even believe that, they think God cannot speak so therefore they live life in unbelief and tell you your mad for believing in this book.
There is no need to debate such manner , just prove by POWER OF GOD, that's how we teach theses adulterous generation. THE SCRIPTURES IS NOT HISTORY BY MYSTERIES OF GOD TOWARDS MEN.
This FAKE pastor is not about debating, it seems he's been angry of Maponga not from that platform but for along time,, he's emotional and defensive of his lies.....
Mr Maponga, I love you so much that I hope you remove Joshua from your name, replacing it with our African name. You are honest and truthful. Our people are enslaved mentally and need to be taught over again. Please, moderator, don't bring this kinda man/pastor to debate with Mr Maponga because you have just wasted Mr. Maponga's precious time, which you might not get next time.
I think it is because of his intellectual rigor that he keeps that name, because whether he wants it or not, colonization has made a mark in our history. Even I, bear a christian name, but my children will not, as I decided to take my historical initiative back.
Maponga doesn’t understand the purpose of free will…that’s why there is good and evil…you decide…no one is forced into Christianity…if you don’t believe it’s your own decision…🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Everything that you may believe in is not quite what it seems. You live on a plantation because your berth certificate is a bond and your SS# is a CUSIP #.
But ur Joshua is dodging a simple question and becoming personal. Where is the intelligence in that, there_ He is running the whole show... Projecting himself as superior but cannot keep his emotions in check. What is intelligent about that?
The problem is us, me inclusive, we don't have power to rebuke this people who think they know more. In the days of apostles, they would say "from today, you won't see light and would instantly become blind"
These are the days where many will fall away from their faith.Debates,arguments and human intelligence cannot change who the Creator of all is.Know God for yourself and grow in the knowledge of Him,by doing that,you can never be deceived by anyone or anything.We give Him the highest praise forever and ever🙏 🙏
@@mathephoka5616 Nonsense who crossed the line first ? Why do you tell someone your in a debate with that you control him ,while the debate moderator is there😂
That's why we encourage people to go to school If they are to preach to the wise according to the basis of this world. It pains when maponga tries to be an atheist but Africans support . I mean some people support!
That man of God is something else, if he keeps that attitude to his congregation, the mindset is horrible. Christianity was an imposed religion in our black societies during colonial era! Our forefathers used to be hanged when they refused to convert. They’re were not allowed to practice their African traditions, it was regarded as demonic or satanic! The Alkebulan people knew that there was or is a GOD before the European descended on our lands. The Pastor’s mindset needs decolonisation!
I think we blacks just spend too much time in things which makes us poorer daily while other guys discuss the AIs and how they create wealth out of solving problem facing humanity today. Education should not be confused with acquring gathering book informations it should be reduced to solving African basic problems poverty, hunger and sufferings
that’s a lie he told, in the book 📖 said god don’t love everyone he even regrets making certain people which he regrets doing. everyone turned religion to suit their own beliefs and theory’s, religions is a tools ⚒️ to use to suits the bearer of that belief, a book 📚 of slavers and willing slave.
...I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 Needless to say, Maponga has chosen to rise against the Christian faith, therefore allow him to practice his newfound faith. However, he is still having difficulty in articulating his faith without attacking or quoting Christian faith scripture ( which he admitted he believes - on this show)
Who created it then? If God allowed the ‘snake’… and the very snake is through whom sin existed. And God lied to Adam and Eve… the snake told them the truth. ‘If you eat your eyes will be open’ and what happened after eating, their eyes were open. So let’s not be selective in reading… God created every thing including the sin…
Jesus Christ said that many read the scriptures but do not understand them. And in another passage Jesus said, when you shall know the truth, the truth will set you free.
Every one has a right to have their opinions ...when some one questions or asks the reason for your faith, we as civilised and (cultured by an uncivilized fisher man!!.. Peter..3:15)have to be loving, gentle and express our views with humility... This criteria have been well adopted by the Pastor..God bless..🎉
Maphonga must stop talking against God if he wants to continue living . In 1996 a Muslim preacher Ahmaad Deedat mocked God and he was rebuked by the pastors in SA Durban to refrain from mocking God. The pastors wrote an open letter to the Muslim preacher and published it in a local news paper warning him to stop mocking God . That was in 1995. Guess what , he suffered a stroke in 1996 and he was bedridden until 2005 . May I say this to Mr Maphonga , please do not undermine God, we love you and God loves you very much . But we advice you to find something to talk about . Don't say you were not warned . May God be truthful and every man a liar .
You are talking nonsense Dedaat did not die because of his believe but was old and sick nothing associated with what he taught. Christianity is fake far from what Jesus taught and practiced in his life yet you call yourself his followers
What about all the churches being burn down sometimes with people inside,six million of his chosen people cruelly massacred,millions have been murdered in his name ,the list is endless ,why did god not do anything about it
Stop lying cheikh ahmed deedat never ever ever ever had stroke ahmed deedat win evry debate against Christians pastor schooler bcus ahmed deedat study know old Bible new Bible then best all Christians pastors ahmed deedat die at age 92 peaceful
Maponga is just above these guys,they’re drunk with colonial wine.
you said it better, I was going to be rude
It’s a shame to see Africans being gatekeepers for European.
The enslaved black mind will defend his slave master book more than slave master himself. The colonized black mind will defend his colonizers book more than the colonizers himself.
Not the same league
You said it better because i was vibrating already
Maponga is on another level
The modulator is colonized totally, as a African American I see these type as being Africa's biggest problem.
Unfortunately, they can be found in all of our communities.
Each generation will be programmed to fellow, the same old Bible because it works like charm
The modulator you are talking about, we have about 12 million more of those people in Zimbabwe. The kicker is we think we will be able to resolve our political and economic problems by the hand of Jehovah. The majority of us cannot see that the real issue is an identity crisis. If we do not know who we are as a people then we do not know what's good for us. I have nothing against god but for once can Zimbabweans please acknowledge our own god and ancestors. Until then, we will continue to be punished by forces that are greater than us for the disrespect we show to them. I can't believe my people have surrendered our land and identity to Jehovah, a deity that has nothing to do with our African identity. I've learnt to look after myself and myself only because Zimbabweans are hopeless.
Yeah he's one of them white folks in black skin😮😮
I am African living America. You are so correct. It’s one of our biggest problems now. People are so desperate and give in to these so called pastors that really need to be jailed for abusing their own people.
What an interesting discourse!! Unfortunately,honourable Mr Maponga is debating with a wrong African who is only prepared wholeheartedly to rationalize and protect the European misconception of religion,and Africans of his kind are a lot,due to the fact that the European religion is actually beneficial to them financially.
Africa is in danger of being led by Africans who do not want to unlearn and decolonize themselves,absolutely this so-called pastor in the studio should be ashamed of himself.
Exactly 💯
Indeed,the pastor doesn't even know how and for what fundamental reason Christianity was formed,and the saddening thing is that,he is even shy of the fact that the Bible does not incorporate other scriptures which could have exposed the European lies,and self-confered superiority over blacks and other races,religion is political.
No argument 👍🔥🔥🔥🔥
this back and forth has taught me one thing, an intellectual like maponga can only have a sensible debate/discussion with another intellectual, not someone who is too emotionaly attached to their religion
Or Maponga is running away from a direct question because there is nothing europian in the bible.
@@plaingospeltruth2427 well then leave vhristianity to the ethiopians and coptics of egypt since its their religion, it shouldnt be imposed in all of africa and less the yt bastersized version that was imposed on our ancestors through castration and intimidation and killing and raping our people into submission....lol
@AJAY16411 what makes this so nonsensical is that the clown admitted on several occasions that Mr Maponga was more educated than he on the subject 🤔 but failed to humble himself. In the words of Dr. JOHN HENRY CLARK: I ONLY DEBATE WITH MY PEERS AND ALL OTHERS I TEACH!!
Well said. The guy is so emotional and good slave with no intellectuel capacity.
@@earlmontgomery847You and MJ have lived in different times. You will never understand his bitterness of Christianity because he saw what Christianity did to his fellows.
"Religion is the organization of spirituality into something that became the hand maiden of conquerors. Nearly all religions were brought to people and imposed on people by conquerors, and used as the framework to control their minds"
Dr. John Henrik Clarke
Master teacher
@@lacinabakayoko4634He’s dearly and sorely missed… but his legacy lives on, awakening consciousnesses worldwide…🥹
Bs the scriputes are real however the bible ain't
@CarmenVanreenen-t4b How does your comment relate to what the quote states? I don't get it.
Yes
I love listening to brother Maponga, he KNOWS what he is Speaking of...He is a Pure Soul...
What Joshua is saying clearly, when you convert to European Christianity, you are converting to European culture.
Cultural imperialism. Islam, Christianity, Judaism
Yes
Yes yes
And it's true
😂 kunjalo
This was an insult to Joshua Maponga. No, it was definitely the wrong place to be for him
The reason why maponga should write in English is because the English men came in Africa and disrupted our African culture and spirituality. Oppressed, enslaved, colonized Africans and forced their religion on Africans. So to liberate the Africans you must use the language of the oppressors before reversing to the original African Spirituality.
Identity crisis
Wow ❤wow@@lacinabakayoko4634
Wow ❤
Why should he write in Hebrew? These two are confused
Maponga J Son of kings n Queens knwladge is power, teach the brother and long live 💪
Joshua Maponga thank you 🤩 only god one day will come and show him or her self but thank you for loving Africa
In Africa we are talk we are just like dogs all bark and no bite
Maponga we are in a time where you will not be understood unless The Most High "remove the scales from the eyes." I am sure that in the time when Messiah was here he was the most controversial, misunderstood and that is the reason why they plotted against him. Do what you are called to do, for the message you were asked to deliver will reach who you were sent to give the message.
🙌
You are right, we have been brainwashed for decades not accepting something fast can't work
Ay it seems like a confused head has been in the abyss for far too long to even see the light at it presence. May we all young Africans see the light through Baba Mamponga.
Many of us see content & wisdom.
Impela bafo but this knowledge must be passed from generation to generation. Because the manipulators of this world are busy recruiting the pure people in to their scam
This pastor is busy ignorantly defending his bread winner.....(christianity) coz he's been brainwashed to think that religion solves all African problems. Baba maponga thx for schooling this preacher who even forgot his culture,roots by tolerating the colonial standards set in form
of religion.
❤
Isn't Maponga trying also to defend his scriptures he is writing in English and not his mother tongue
We must go with Mr Maponga
i wish i can speak face to face with mr Maphonga there's a lot Hes missing out, yes he is educated, yes he has many valid points however a if he can read bible and study history well He will know exactly the bible speak about africa and Jerusalem is here. For example if you can check these Maps of Africa 1554 by Sebastian
Abraham Ortelius 1584
Willem Blaeu 1635:1644
The interviewer is so rude and unprofessional not to mention ignorant😮😮😮😮😮 These individuals are beneath Joshua Maponga 👩🏽⚖️👩🏽⚖️👩🏽⚖️👩🏽⚖️
He’s so ignorant.
💯 every day all day
The gap of intelligence is too wide
This is a very interesting conversation. However, my beloved brother Joshua Mapongo should not be intimidated by the ignorance and inferiority complex of his opponents. Clearly, he is much more knowledgeable and versed with Christianity and traditional spiritual practices. Speaking from a well-informed position has the edge over them. This is why he should not allow brainwashed, ignorant individuals like these to throw him off his equibrileum and get upset.
He must rather use a scientific approach and expose the flaws, lies, deception, and stupidity that are prevalent in the Bible along with its intended purpose to deceive. He must also expose the prostitution, piracy, and rape of African spiritual practices and culture. Clearly point out to them how all these versions of the Bible have stolen and perverted African indigenous theology and historical facts and expose the mind mapulation inflicted up them by colonialism and racism.
The pastor has a laptop with him and maponga is speaking off head,that shows how small the pastor is
Don't even feel like visiting his church. Little knowledge he has
Christianity much to be shut down in African ones and for all
Same also Islam
Truly brother
Exactly, we need to do away with this colonial system
Keep dreaming
You will never get rid of Christianity; its forever. People like Maponga will not last forever, many years ago the world was shaken by the DaVinci code story and it disappeared.
As a Christian, I think the church and especially church leaders are not yet equipped to answer some of the modern questions that are floating online and in memes.
Maponga the "great" we understand you, thank you for the teachings. Please keep on helping those who are still blind to see and understand the truth.
Maponga is 💎💎💎 God blessed him🎉
Which God ??
Maponga is light years ahead of those two MPIMPI’s
Mpimpis made my day
Religion is opium to the masses african people are intoxicated by this opium
Absolutely!
Not light. He is in deep darkness.
M commenting in english!!
Mr Maponga no one can stand against you sir,I have been following your teachings and honestly I have learnt a lot from you sir❤
❤ Great conversation. Thank you Mr Mponga. Thank you Pastor 🎉. It is in my opinion that CHRISTIANITY as has been Driven into us Africans must be carefully replaced into the Box from which it came. Our Spirituality and original Cultural practices must be allowed to return to the status held before the Invasions.
Long LIVE Mr TEACHER Mponga.
Grace and Strength from Rastafari be yours all ways...🎉
It is clear to me that there are many more people that need to know the truth. Also they have not read the books that were taken out. When they read the books that were taken out it will be clear to them what Maponga was saying.
Watching frm kampala Uganda
I love Maponga with soul, body and mind. He opened my eyes and i deceased frm entering church buildings
Seek Truth my brother, Maponga is lost.
Maponga ,the once pastor slowly and steadily getting out of Christianity . .He is getting out of his mind and unfortunately many people are not a ware of his backsliding.
Open your eyes, read the bible understand God through His .word.
.from Kenya 🇰🇪
Backsliding from the white beliefs
@@MartinChisevalet them continue following dead people/ancestors..we are in the end times and the bible says impostors will flourish..they will deceive others and will themselves be deceived 😢
You can say that again.Maponga is blind and nothing can change that unless God himself does it.talks too intelligently with no revelation of the scriptures his quoting
Maponga vs two students 😅
You are every right
Not in the same league
They simply don't get it shame
maponga the most intelligent man in the world
According to your level of understanding.
These men speak so on learn, drunken in the wine/ blood of Christianity
The christian god never created DARKNESS.He never created WATER and not even SPACE.(gen 1:2-3).Now tell me you christians if I am a madman or if I am possessed by evil demonic spirits.I'M LISTENING!!!!!!
The lips of wisdom are sealed, except to the ears of understanding, greatest African proverbs
Maponga has to write it in English to reach the 8 billion people. The guys Maponga is debating with are somehow asking idiotic questions. They tell him to give them a chance to speak but they fail to do the same
I wonder why the Bible was translated into English…🤔
This pastor has a broblem of listening. He is too emotional.I cannot learn anything from him. Maponga is telling the truth . The scripture codes many books. Thanks to Joshua Maponga❤
Knowledge, wisdom n understanding comes from above they think Christianity is all not knowing that is a western culture that has bn forced to him n his forefathers when he wakes up from slumber I hope it won't be too late cz Christian ity it's a crap read the letter of king Leopold the 2snd u Wil vomit Christianity. Hvn n ear to listen is not for everyone only the chosen
That pastor is dead scared,defending his colonizer's religion.He's only scared because he won't get paid by his masters with money stolen from them through tithes and offerings ,which by the way is extortion through religious lies flying left,right through the pulpits.A lazy man's way of gaining wealth without one drop of sweat.A cargo cult mentality.
Maponga is such a great and intelligent elder he basically understands the scriptures much more than ignorant fanatics that always make their emotions speak louder than the truth they don’t need to hear always .
In many cases such fanatics hates truth because they use Christianity to take money from our poor mothers and in the other hands they are leaving luxuries life.
I think that pastor needs help he last...big up Joshua
Colonized mind defending his colonizers book.
Religious psychosis
He gets personal when answered
These are guys who deny that before colonialists came they started with religion 🤔, that guy needs to wake up from his delusional world.
Hmmmm🤔🤔🤔
You mean your cultures that have immoralities like night dancing and human sacrifices and child sacrifices.!!!!!
Wake up Mr.
@@musiitwajulious you don't know your history???????????????????????????????????????????? Or you want me to talk about avengers, wakanda 😂😂😂😂😂😂
the other pastor is too emotional for this debate whilst Maponga is relaxed
My brother, Christianity is an emotional religion..
You can never defend it without being emotional..
You really need to rewatch 😂😂 Maphonga is also cussing hate words
Let's all shout, Maponga.. Maponga... 💪💪💪✊✊✊
Coming from a Black American here in America...I too had my Questions and saw the Contradictions as well as lived the Experiences of the Different Treatment towards Different looking Christians Based on the STANDARDS that Brother Maponga speaks of... Through my OWN Seeking and Questions, I am now into AFRICAN Spirituality....Im here to say that ONE MUST SEEK With tue HEART to get here...
Henrik Clark said " I only debate with equals" Maponga needs an equal. UBUNTU
The rest I teach 👊
Yes,, what a wise man
These pastors are limited upstairs. Mr Maponga should never have honoured their invite. They are very difficult to engage with and more so, have limited scope biblically which they claim is their territory!!!
Even him Maponga seems to be so limited too. If he is welll educated should be able to move down to a level of any person he is discusing with... this thing of im more educated than you is a non starter show us that you are educated dont tell us
True.
Maponga is son of kings 🤴, emotionally or not He still settles the dust down
I love and respect him to pieces …🪘✊🏽🪘
The bible is not the word of God!!
The Bible is not true words of God.the Bible is the man made tool of suppression and oppression, there's no proof whatsoever that Jesus christ ever actually existed it's the biggest hoax. Church is hustle and Jesus Christ is the product.
It's a record of what happened
it’s history and prophecy which contains the word of The Most High for our instruction and direction into the next life.
But specifically for people of esrael .Bible talk about relationship between esrael and God
@@elvismahlabane2821 That’s correct, but people don’t even believe that, they think God cannot speak so therefore they live life in unbelief and tell you your mad for believing in this book.
This maponga guy is learned and above these guys.
Well its not about learned but the word of God need wisdom to understand. Maponga is learned but he lacks wisdom.
@@augustinematemera8065lol 🤣
Mr Maponga, you are the best in your teachings thank you.
There is no need to debate such manner , just prove by POWER OF GOD, that's how we teach theses adulterous generation.
THE SCRIPTURES IS NOT HISTORY BY MYSTERIES OF GOD TOWARDS MEN.
my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. “As the heavens are higher than the earth.
This FAKE pastor is not about debating, it seems he's been angry of Maponga not from that platform but for along time,, he's emotional and defensive of his lies.....
When it comes to religion most people are nothing but overgrown children.the more absurd a religion is the more power it exerts
Maponga is toooooo proud fully, yooooooooooh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too proud that one
He is definitely not meek
The christian is more angry than the African traditionalist and that shows us who's closer to God
How?
I'm starting to see that God doesn't care about yo belief systems ...he cares about those who seek Him and worship Him whole heartdly
Always with you maponga🇿🇲💪
Mr Maponga, I love you so much that I hope you remove Joshua from your name, replacing it with our African name. You are honest and truthful. Our people are enslaved mentally and need to be taught over again. Please, moderator, don't bring this kinda man/pastor to debate with Mr Maponga because you have just wasted Mr. Maponga's precious time, which you might not get next time.
He uses Msrara as well when he intro himself
I think it is because of his intellectual rigor that he keeps that name, because whether he wants it or not, colonization has made a mark in our history. Even I, bear a christian name, but my children will not, as I decided to take my historical initiative back.
As long it does not go with scriptures i dont protect it", where is the ring in the bible😂😂😂😂😂
Where is Joshua in the African culture? Yet he call himself that lol pot calling a kettle black lol
Joshua Maponga is a symbol of excellence, and reference to this and the next African generation.
Fundamentalism is a problem. This pastor has a serious problem.
Maponga is the G.O.A.T😂😂😂😂❤❤❤
Maponga is brilliant but at the same time can confused people if he wants.
Am on Baba Maponga's side, watching from Lusaka, Zambia. Love you Maponga
Maponga doesn’t understand the purpose of free will…that’s why there is good and evil…you decide…no one is forced into Christianity…if you don’t believe it’s your own decision…🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
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Wat u realy don't get Christianity was to African u know catholic church killed 80 millions black African to convert to Christianity
GOD=Government Ordinance Department...control over your basic life.
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You nailed it correctly 👍💪🙏🌍
Everything that you may believe in is not quite what it seems. You live on a plantation because your berth certificate is a bond and your SS# is a CUSIP #.
But ur Joshua is dodging a simple question and becoming personal.
Where is the intelligence in that, there_ He is running the whole show...
Projecting himself as superior but cannot keep his emotions in check.
What is intelligent about that?
“The higher christianity grows, the higher the immorality on the continent “.
Do you believe this to be true?
Same also Islam
💯 Religion brings in the notion of "I can do anything and then always ask for forgiveness". No consequences, nothing
💯 ,A good example is Nigeria.@@teem7303
@@CS-wn5lv That is the problem.
Maponga has a lot of knowledge to share, but the way he delivers it I rate it 1 out 10. We could have learnt a lot from this video. :(
Talk truth Mr.Maponga
The problem is us, me inclusive, we don't have power to rebuke this people who think they know more. In the days of apostles, they would say "from today, you won't see light and would instantly become blind"
These are the days where many will fall away from their faith.Debates,arguments and human intelligence cannot change who the Creator of all is.Know God for yourself and grow in the knowledge of Him,by doing that,you can never be deceived by anyone or anything.We give Him the highest praise forever and ever🙏 🙏
Watching from UGANDA.
Maponga just wiped the floor with the panel😂
Maponga is a clever man. I love how he conveys his message. He very intellectual.
I believe the Pastor has the anger issues, the dude won't just listen.🙌
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Religious psychosis
More than Maponga who wants to beat the other guy?
Taitorohwa kuti tiende kuchurch so christianity is a forced religion to us....
@@mathephoka5616 Nonsense who crossed the line first ? Why do you tell someone your in a debate with that you control him ,while the debate moderator is there😂
That's why we encourage people to go to school If they are to preach to the wise according to the basis of this world. It pains when maponga tries to be an atheist but Africans support . I mean some people support!
It's a pity the pastor is still lingering on the past slumber .he cannot debate with maponga
I don't understand why people are always fighting with religion. Every beginning has an ending we are just stories in this world 🌍
That man of God is something else, if he keeps that attitude to his congregation, the mindset is horrible. Christianity was an imposed religion in our black societies during colonial era! Our forefathers used to be hanged when they refused to convert. They’re were not allowed to practice their African traditions, it was regarded as demonic or satanic! The Alkebulan people knew that there was or is a GOD before the European descended on our lands. The Pastor’s mindset needs decolonisation!
The liberation of Africa will not come with what it was conquered with....Christianity is not the solution people need to wake up.
I think the modulator is against maponga. He's supposed to be asking to both like a debate. I for one the interviewer is a failure.
"You are a personification"😂😂
"We have all night. We can have this conversation for SIX WEEKS. I'm here!"
- J. Maponga
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lol
“ I only debate my equals; all others I teach…”
(Ancestor Dr John Henrik Clarke)
Exactly 💯
I think we blacks just spend too much time in things which makes us poorer daily while other guys discuss the AIs and how they create wealth out of solving problem facing humanity today. Education should not be confused with acquring gathering book informations it should be reduced to solving African basic problems poverty, hunger and sufferings
Mzee maponga you have the knowledge don't echo. Let them echo you just bombad them with knowledge.
that’s a lie he told, in the book 📖 said god don’t love everyone he even regrets making certain people which he regrets doing. everyone turned religion to suit their own beliefs and theory’s, religions is a tools ⚒️ to use to suits the bearer of that belief, a book 📚 of slavers and willing slave.
Family the scriptures is our history but its revelation is for humanity
Point of correction, God didn't create sin
...I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
Needless to say, Maponga has chosen to rise against the Christian faith, therefore allow him to practice his newfound faith. However, he is still having difficulty in articulating his faith without attacking or quoting Christian faith scripture ( which he admitted he believes - on this show)
Scripture
It is a sacred writing or a holy book.
Question
Which Scripture does Maponga believe in other than the Bible?
Who created it then? If God allowed the ‘snake’… and the very snake is through whom sin existed. And God lied to Adam and Eve… the snake told them the truth. ‘If you eat your eyes will be open’ and what happened after eating, their eyes were open.
So let’s not be selective in reading… God created every thing including the sin…
Greetings && Grand Rising!! Great to be in ur presence MJ. Nemetoka visiwa vya carrebian St Kitts & Nevis 🇰🇳 🇰🇳🙏🙏🙏.
Unajua kiswahili
Total confusion & Dictating each other.
Maponga argues based on FACTS Not on Emotions.
Once you start feeling that you have more wisdom than the rest that's where the problems Begin
You're right Mr Joshua mapongo
Christianity it is not a religion it is a business
Two things can be true
Jesus Christ said that many read the scriptures but do not understand them. And in another passage Jesus said, when you shall know the truth, the truth will set you free.
Black Africa needs much more men like Joshua Maponga and a lot less men like that bible thumping silly man
I would like to see a debate between Gino Jennings and Maponga.
Tha would be fire 🔥 🔥 😅
Jenny a fool
Right 😂,He will destroy Maponga
Gino would destroy this man
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Carefully listen to J.M's introduction (5:23) . Wooooow that was spot on. Undisputed...⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔
We have the same issues in America. They eat it. up like cornflakes here.
Every one has a right to have their opinions ...when some one questions or asks the reason for your faith, we as civilised and (cultured by an uncivilized fisher man!!.. Peter..3:15)have to be loving, gentle and express our views with humility... This criteria have been well adopted by the Pastor..God bless..🎉
29:50 the mere fact my brother truly had to explain this is embarrassing🤦🏾♂️ he really thought he had Wise one here 😂😂😂 wow😂😂😂
If you mean Maponga ,boy is he wise !
Only galable Christians will ignore the wisdom of Maponga,
Maphonga must stop talking against God if he wants to continue living . In 1996 a Muslim preacher Ahmaad Deedat mocked God and he was rebuked by the pastors in SA Durban to refrain from mocking God.
The pastors wrote an open letter to the Muslim preacher and published it in a local news paper warning him to stop mocking God . That was in 1995.
Guess what , he suffered a stroke in 1996 and he was bedridden until 2005 .
May I say this to Mr Maphonga , please do not undermine God, we love you and God loves you very much .
But we advice you to find something to talk about .
Don't say you were not warned .
May God be truthful and every man a liar .
Suka
You are talking nonsense Dedaat did not die because of his believe but was old and sick nothing associated with what he taught. Christianity is fake far from what Jesus taught and practiced in his life yet you call yourself his followers
What about all the churches being burn down sometimes with people inside,six million of his chosen people cruelly massacred,millions have been murdered in his name ,the list is endless ,why did god not do anything about it
Yahweh has never said a word it is fictitious,it is a name of an ancient tribe god
Stop lying cheikh ahmed deedat never ever ever ever had stroke ahmed deedat win evry debate against Christians pastor schooler bcus ahmed deedat study know old Bible new Bible then best all Christians pastors ahmed deedat die at age 92 peaceful