In my opinion, you've made a revolutionary product because it allows customizing so many things in such a tedious process that takes a lot of trial and error with the steam wands. Only improvement I see in this first version is the cleaning part, as milk can dry very quickly and doesn't come of too easily. Maybe a silicon cap for the bottom of the device could help with washing it more thoroughly, although I imagine you still can't get it into dishwasher because of the potential risk of damaging the electric equipment. As for the Kickstarter part, you have been crushing it from day one with good expectation management and transparent communication. This is the smoothest experience I've had on the platform, so glad I backed this project. Looking forward to getting mine, any day now...
Thanks so much for your kind words and for supporting the project! It's funny you mention the silicone cap because we're in the process of prototyping that right now. I should have it for testing in a week or two, and I already call it the shower cap :-) It will likely provide extra protection and comfort to those concerned about the cleaning but will not suddenly make it dishwasher safe. Note that the milk doesn't really dry out in it either; if you fill it with a bit of cold water once finished and you leave it on the counter for a short while, you'll even find that any milk residue peels off by itself.
@@subminimal I thought of exactly that too, silicone cap at the bottom is perfect, at least it enables me to run it under the tap like any normal mug without worry. Another alternative could be a magnetic patch (y'know, like those fridge magnets for tourists) that just slaps on to the bottom (if it's magnetic anyway) - actually this would be the preferred option, as it'd probably be a better seal than silicone.
I'm happy with mine. Perhaps a V2 could include a larger heating coil to mitigate the cooked milk issue. It'd be much easier to just be able to rinse it clean, rather than having to wipe.
Would like to have a removable inner cup, this way you can have multiple of them to steam a few in a row. It’s easier to clean with out any electronics and you can replace them if they break or get too dirty.
When I let it continue to the second OK, the churn seems to aerate a bit more and makes the froth thicker that I feel it's suppose to. I'm on the slowest magnet. Is there a way to get hotter milk without running into this issue?
During that stage it should just be microfoaming with no additional aeration. If you have enough milk and the black flow controller, it is very unlikely that you would get any aeration in this stage. However, if you are still getting little rips of air, that means the vortex is too deep and that could mean there is not enough milk in the jug. If you're not using the black flow controller, then switch up toward the back. Green -> Blue -> Black for slowing down the vortex.
@@subminimal I am getting little rips of air and I do see the deep vortex every 10-15s or so. I am using about 250ml of milk (which is a little above max mark) and I am using the Black magnet. Is there any other way to handle this issue?
@@bungeegum4 Ah, so the large volume of milk is picking up momentum over time. If you're going to stick with that volume, you could try attaching the flow controller a little higher in the jug to see if it closes up the vortex some more. I think you can raise it about 1cm from the bottom. You could also loosen the shaft a tiny bit more, this will drop the impeller closer to the base by 0.5-1mm and that will reduce the overall aeration a little.
@@subminimalSo I've been testing with whole milk 250ml a couple times more on the black magnet. I've loosened the impeller, by maybe about 270 degrees, and raised the magnet about 1cm from the bottom. I still get the same issue where after the first OK, it aerates ever 10-15s or so. This creates hard foam on top of microfoam (on both mode 2 and 1) at the end and I'm unsure how to fix this issue. I bought this hoping to have a smoother time with latte art over using the lithium nanofoamer and it's been a lot of finicking. Any other tips to try and fix this issue?
I have been using mine everyday for a few months now. I like it for the most part, as I get the foamed milk I want, but I definitely don't like how easily it scorches on the inside base every time; I need to thoroughly scrub it clean after every use otherwise the scorching will accumulate. This makes is quite inconvenient over the long run. Please fix this in further iterations.
Hi after some usage of this i can report there is a big problem with mine. The milk barely comes out hot after the whole thing is done. It is only about 30c and theres barely enough foam. I have to run the program (3) again before it will even reach the right temperature. Alos the consistency of the foam is different everytime. Do i have a defective unit?
Just received my unit, foam is great, fine tune super easy but…. Target Temperature is low, even at 65, once is pored into a cold cup, it drops below 55, I have always made my steamed cappuccino at 72c , that should have been the target temperature . I have made 5 cappuccini tonight and the feedback received was unanimous “great fantastic but a little on the cold side” Any workaround suggested ?
Thanks for your feedback, I'm glad you like it. We don't go beyond 65°C in order to prevent milk fro scalding on the bottom. However, one thing to remember if you are pouring from a latte art jug, is that a cold jug will suck a lock of the heat out of your milk as you transfer it from PRO-> Jug-> Cup. So the simple trick is to preheat your pouring jug using some boiling water while the PRO is running, then when you transfer and pour your latte art, the heat is maintained.
I have been pre heating the cups with boiling water from my espresso machine, that works but I am looking for a faster way how do you pre heat it the pitcher ? on stove or with boiling water? @@digicambikeman
@Mandragara around 160F is what you want on a steamed cappuccino, 68c-72c is the target temp, then there will be some termal drop so the final temperature will probably be in the 65c range depending on how you preheat the tazze / bowl I am sure you can google around and find some confirmation or just look at the numerous thermometer, you will notice a 68-72 range but btw I am just some random Italian that steamed cappuccino few decades, each their own anyways, feel free to drink it at 55c.
Thanks for the compliments. It took so many years to perfect it, but the end result in the milk is so spectacular that it was really worth the time invested.
Is normal for it to reach non-optimum temperature when it displays "ok"? I measured the temperature, it usually only reaches about 43°c ~ 45°c. Though I suppose I can run it til it shuts off on its own like what is mentioned in the video.
@@TheCraftingHK This is 100% due to a spinout. Try to loosen the shaft from the lid a tiny bit. The extra flexibility helps it register with the magnets below. Also, email us at hello@subminimal.com if you need help with that.
@@ryanlee6141 The impeller spins at varying speeds but there as so many tiny factors that affect the sound it will make. You may even find the sound can vary slightly over time and depending on the milk type you use. It could be vibrations form the magnetic balance of the impeller, the rhythm of the flow of milk, the viscosity of it and if the lid is placed on straight or slightly twisted. You will notice very slightly different sounds over time, yet none of these impact the performance of the product.
hi , i just got my PRO and loosened the bolt a bit (according to the video sent to backers). i'm trying to foam "Rude Health Almond Organic gluten free" drink using the green flow controller, about 150ml , at program 3 or 4. i don't get any foam, though the "milk" does get hot. could it be this drink simply cannot be foamed?
Most likely yes, you'll notice Rude Health also has some "barista" series drinks, so those will definitely give you better results as they are designed to foam up while the regular drink might not be.
Mine has just stopped working after 5 months. My trusty Dualit milk frother is still going strong after 8 years of daily use. It was a quarter of the price.
Update: the replacement is fiddly. Constantly needs adjustment to work properly. It doesn’t spin properly (or at all)in the second half of the process. Well, sometimes it does when it chooses to. And I definitely have the lid on correctly. I’ve noticed there’s a new version launching soon. I appreciate they sent a replacement but I am not impressed at all. Way too faffy for something at that price point. I keep reverting to my trusty old Dualit.
hi, why isn't there a power button? my power extension socket is the type that only has one power button for all 4 sockets. This means if i plug this in, this will be forever switched on. I can't believe this wasn't thought through. I mean how hard can it be to just include a power button?
Some feedback, after about 30/40 uses, motor often makes a whining noise and the is no spin , I then have to restart it and usually that works. I do wash it after each use, after few uses I do put a drop of soap and let it run to clean the mesh. Tried to manually clean the mesh, same result, it is random, it may happen twice in a row or after few cappuccinos. Also quality of foam went down. I use mostly 2% milk but used also , 3.25 and whole milk. Any suggestions?
Hi, what you're describing is a spinout and there's a very easy resolution for it. Check out this video and remember that it is a reverse thread: ruclips.net/video/bNoubTFxNu8/видео.html
My unit gave more/larger foam as I went from 3 to 1, that doesn't seem normal? I'm using a relatively small amount of whole milk (130g) and the black flow control
Hi, as the programs go down, the aeration time is reduced so it would create les foam. The only way you would have move foam, is if you are getting accidental late aeration during the microfoaming stage. This could be due to the volume of milk being very small, but 130 should still be OK. Try to loosen the shaft from the lid a tiny bit, this can drop the impeller down about 1mm deeper into the milk and can help with tiny amounts of milk. Note that it is a reverse thread, so you need to unscrew it clockwise.
Yes, that is correct. "OK" means it has reached 55°C and it will continue until it reaches 65°C and then stop. You can pick it up at anytime to suit your temperature preference.
Hi, the plastic can feel slippery so make sure you do it with very try hands in order to grip it properly. The first time might be a bit tighter as it clicks off. Also note that it comes off clockwise.
Thanks! Not yet for the white. We have too many plugs and variants to manage in black already so we need some time before we can offer it in any other color.
In the mixing industry we call them baffles. People think the most efficient mixing is a vortex it's not. If the baffle inserts are magnetic you can put in more that one. Put another one on the opposing side.
I just got mine and the first time I tried it, it took just over 10 minutes to heat the milk to the second beep (after ok). Is that normal? I was expecting it to heat up in under three minutes like in Lance Hedrick's video.
@@subminimal Thanks for the response! I'll have to try it again tomorrow morning when I make coffee. On a setting of 3, it didn't start the countdown until 5 or 6 minutes in, it just did some sine wave before that. Then it was about 3 more minutes from when it first said OK until it stopped. (I measured with a Decent thermometer, and it was about 65 C, so at least that part was right.)
@@michaelb4727 Can you confirm you have a unit with the right voltage? Plugging a 220V unit into a 110V outlet would certainly slow everything down a lot if that was the case (the opposite would likely fry it though). Send us an email at hello@subminimal.com and share a quick video if you are able to repeat this. Thanks.
@@subminimal Good question, I just checked. I can confirm that both the pitcher and the base say 120V 400W, and I'm in the U.S., so it should be fine. If I run into issues again tomorrow, I'll send an email with more details, but it's good to know that it's expected to only take 2-3 minutes (which is what I was sort of counting on when I bought it, as it would shorten my morning routine substantially over using the stovetop). Thanks again!
You likely experienced a spinout if that is the case. If the impeller is not turning, then the milk not churning and the device will stop early. Check out this support page: help.subminimal.com/en/article/impeller-spinout-8issc2/
Too bad mine arrived dead on arrival, nothing spins, just heats milk for a sec second and says ok...hopefully I get a replacement. update: getting a replacement my experience is not typical
The kettle connector we're using is made by Strix. They are the world leader in these kinds of connectors and power 70% of the market which is over a billion kettles/frothers/appliances used daily. The only precaution needed is to wash it upright.
I backed the Nanofoamer Pro because I loved the idea, after 4 months of delay, I received my Nanofoamer Pro and it is a defective one. It only warms the milk and then it makes an insane sound and nothing is happening. @subminimal any suggestions?
Mine seems to be doing this same thing, normal dairy and black insert. Spins a bit then 2nd phase it makes a loud noise but no movement and it’s just a bit warm milk
In my opinion, you've made a revolutionary product because it allows customizing so many things in such a tedious process that takes a lot of trial and error with the steam wands.
Only improvement I see in this first version is the cleaning part, as milk can dry very quickly and doesn't come of too easily. Maybe a silicon cap for the bottom of the device could help with washing it more thoroughly, although I imagine you still can't get it into dishwasher because of the potential risk of damaging the electric equipment.
As for the Kickstarter part, you have been crushing it from day one with good expectation management and transparent communication. This is the smoothest experience I've had on the platform, so glad I backed this project. Looking forward to getting mine, any day now...
Thanks so much for your kind words and for supporting the project!
It's funny you mention the silicone cap because we're in the process of prototyping that right now. I should have it for testing in a week or two, and I already call it the shower cap :-) It will likely provide extra protection and comfort to those concerned about the cleaning but will not suddenly make it dishwasher safe.
Note that the milk doesn't really dry out in it either; if you fill it with a bit of cold water once finished and you leave it on the counter for a short while, you'll even find that any milk residue peels off by itself.
@@subminimal I thought of exactly that too, silicone cap at the bottom is perfect, at least it enables me to run it under the tap like any normal mug without worry. Another alternative could be a magnetic patch (y'know, like those fridge magnets for tourists) that just slaps on to the bottom (if it's magnetic anyway) - actually this would be the preferred option, as it'd probably be a better seal than silicone.
Awesome guide! I've backed every NanoFoamer and can't wait to try the Pro model when I get it.
Thanks! We really appreciate your support!
I'm happy with mine. Perhaps a V2 could include a larger heating coil to mitigate the cooked milk issue. It'd be much easier to just be able to rinse it clean, rather than having to wipe.
i use a larger brush, works better than the small brush and it is faster
Would like to have a removable inner cup, this way you can have multiple of them to steam a few in a row. It’s easier to clean with out any electronics and you can replace them if they break or get too dirty.
Coffee up! Looking forward to my shipping notice in the coming weeks. =D
Great tips! Wish I had watched this before excitedly delving into my first use 😁
When I let it continue to the second OK, the churn seems to aerate a bit more and makes the froth thicker that I feel it's suppose to. I'm on the slowest magnet. Is there a way to get hotter milk without running into this issue?
During that stage it should just be microfoaming with no additional aeration. If you have enough milk and the black flow controller, it is very unlikely that you would get any aeration in this stage. However, if you are still getting little rips of air, that means the vortex is too deep and that could mean there is not enough milk in the jug. If you're not using the black flow controller, then switch up toward the back. Green -> Blue -> Black for slowing down the vortex.
@@subminimal I am getting little rips of air and I do see the deep vortex every 10-15s or so. I am using about 250ml of milk (which is a little above max mark) and I am using the Black magnet. Is there any other way to handle this issue?
@@bungeegum4 Ah, so the large volume of milk is picking up momentum over time. If you're going to stick with that volume, you could try attaching the flow controller a little higher in the jug to see if it closes up the vortex some more. I think you can raise it about 1cm from the bottom. You could also loosen the shaft a tiny bit more, this will drop the impeller closer to the base by 0.5-1mm and that will reduce the overall aeration a little.
@@subminimalSo I've been testing with whole milk 250ml a couple times more on the black magnet. I've loosened the impeller, by maybe about 270 degrees, and raised the magnet about 1cm from the bottom. I still get the same issue where after the first OK, it aerates ever 10-15s or so. This creates hard foam on top of microfoam (on both mode 2 and 1) at the end and I'm unsure how to fix this issue. I bought this hoping to have a smoother time with latte art over using the lithium nanofoamer and it's been a lot of finicking. Any other tips to try and fix this issue?
I have been using mine everyday for a few months now. I like it for the most part, as I get the foamed milk I want, but I definitely don't like how easily it scorches on the inside base every time; I need to thoroughly scrub it clean after every use otherwise the scorching will accumulate. This makes is quite inconvenient over the long run. Please fix this in further iterations.
Hi after some usage of this i can report there is a big problem with mine. The milk barely comes out hot after the whole thing is done. It is only about 30c and theres barely enough foam. I have to run the program (3) again before it will even reach the right temperature. Alos the consistency of the foam is different everytime. Do i have a defective unit?
Just received my unit, foam is great, fine tune super easy but…. Target Temperature is low, even at 65, once is pored into a cold cup, it drops below 55, I have always made my steamed cappuccino at 72c , that should have been the target temperature .
I have made 5 cappuccini tonight and the feedback received was unanimous “great fantastic but a little on the cold side”
Any workaround suggested ?
Thanks for your feedback, I'm glad you like it. We don't go beyond 65°C in order to prevent milk fro scalding on the bottom. However, one thing to remember if you are pouring from a latte art jug, is that a cold jug will suck a lock of the heat out of your milk as you transfer it from PRO-> Jug-> Cup. So the simple trick is to preheat your pouring jug using some boiling water while the PRO is running, then when you transfer and pour your latte art, the heat is maintained.
Hi,
Found pouring into pre heated secondary pitcher works brilliantly.
Love the Nanofoamer pro 👌
I have been pre heating the cups with boiling water from my espresso machine, that works but I am looking for a faster way how do you pre heat it the pitcher ? on stove or with boiling water? @@digicambikeman
I would consider 72C milk to be 'overcooked' in taste.
@Mandragara around 160F is what you want on a steamed cappuccino, 68c-72c is the target temp, then there will be some termal drop so the final temperature will probably be in the 65c range depending on how you preheat the tazze / bowl
I am sure you can google around and find some confirmation or just look at the numerous thermometer, you will notice a 68-72 range but btw I am just some random Italian that steamed cappuccino few decades, each their own anyways, feel free to drink it at 55c.
From the view of an engineer like me, this is a great product. I also dream to make a product like this.
Thanks for the compliments. It took so many years to perfect it, but the end result in the milk is so spectacular that it was really worth the time invested.
Is normal for it to reach non-optimum temperature when it displays "ok"?
I measured the temperature, it usually only reaches about 43°c ~ 45°c.
Though I suppose I can run it til it shuts off on its own like what is mentioned in the video.
It should be at around 55° +/- 3°C when it first beeps if the milk is properly churning inside the jug and you did not experience a spinout.
Same problem here and I have to press the lid so hard in order to reach 65 Celsius.
@@TheCraftingHK This is 100% due to a spinout. Try to loosen the shaft from the lid a tiny bit. The extra flexibility helps it register with the magnets below. Also, email us at hello@subminimal.com if you need help with that.
@@subminimalWhy my nanofoamer will making a louder sound after it meet okay icon
@@ryanlee6141 The impeller spins at varying speeds but there as so many tiny factors that affect the sound it will make. You may even find the sound can vary slightly over time and depending on the milk type you use. It could be vibrations form the magnetic balance of the impeller, the rhythm of the flow of milk, the viscosity of it and if the lid is placed on straight or slightly twisted. You will notice very slightly different sounds over time, yet none of these impact the performance of the product.
hi , i just got my PRO and loosened the bolt a bit (according to the video sent to backers). i'm trying to foam "Rude Health Almond Organic gluten free" drink using the green flow controller, about 150ml , at program 3 or 4. i don't get any foam, though the "milk" does get hot. could it be this drink simply cannot be foamed?
Most likely yes, you'll notice Rude Health also has some "barista" series drinks, so those will definitely give you better results as they are designed to foam up while the regular drink might not be.
HayHey, can you produce thin foam, sir?
Mine has just stopped working after 5 months. My trusty Dualit milk frother is still going strong after 8 years of daily use. It was a quarter of the price.
Update: the replacement is fiddly. Constantly needs adjustment to work properly. It doesn’t spin properly (or at all)in the second half of the process. Well, sometimes it does when it chooses to. And I definitely have the lid on correctly.
I’ve noticed there’s a new version launching soon. I appreciate they sent a replacement but I am not impressed at all. Way too faffy for something at that price point. I keep reverting to my trusty old Dualit.
hi, why isn't there a power button? my power extension socket is the type that only has one power button for all 4 sockets. This means if i plug this in, this will be forever switched on. I can't believe this wasn't thought through. I mean how hard can it be to just include a power button?
It's no different from a kettle for boiling water; those just have an on/off button and no additional power button.
Some feedback, after about 30/40 uses, motor often makes a whining noise and the is no spin , I then have to restart it and usually that works. I do wash it after each use, after few uses I do put a drop of soap and let it run to clean the mesh. Tried to manually clean the mesh, same result, it is random, it may happen twice in a row or after few cappuccinos. Also quality of foam went down. I use mostly 2% milk but used also , 3.25 and whole milk. Any suggestions?
Hi, what you're describing is a spinout and there's a very easy resolution for it. Check out this video and remember that it is a reverse thread: ruclips.net/video/bNoubTFxNu8/видео.html
I did loose the shaft and that helps but the foam quality isn't quiet consistent yet
When will it be officially available for purchase and instant shipping?
Likely the first week of December or so, after we have shipped out all the pre-orders.
no link to purchase?
My unit gave more/larger foam as I went from 3 to 1, that doesn't seem normal? I'm using a relatively small amount of whole milk (130g) and the black flow control
Hi, as the programs go down, the aeration time is reduced so it would create les foam. The only way you would have move foam, is if you are getting accidental late aeration during the microfoaming stage. This could be due to the volume of milk being very small, but 130 should still be OK. Try to loosen the shaft from the lid a tiny bit, this can drop the impeller down about 1mm deeper into the milk and can help with tiny amounts of milk. Note that it is a reverse thread, so you need to unscrew it clockwise.
I used a setting of 3. After it said OK , the nanofoamer continued frothing and aerating. Is that expected ?
Yes, that is correct. "OK" means it has reached 55°C and it will continue until it reaches 65°C and then stop. You can pick it up at anytime to suit your temperature preference.
I just got my unit and the mesh screen seems so tight, almost impossible to remove. Any advice?
Hi, the plastic can feel slippery so make sure you do it with very try hands in order to grip it properly. The first time might be a bit tighter as it clicks off. Also note that it comes off clockwise.
Nice can you make it in white?
Thanks! Not yet for the white. We have too many plugs and variants to manage in black already so we need some time before we can offer it in any other color.
Which is best for latte art with diary milk?
I suggest started with the black flow controller, about 140-150ml of milk and Program 1 or 2 maximum.
In the mixing industry we call them baffles. People think the most efficient mixing is a vortex it's not. If the baffle inserts are magnetic you can put in more that one. Put another one on the opposing side.
I just got mine and the first time I tried it, it took just over 10 minutes to heat the milk to the second beep (after ok). Is that normal? I was expecting it to heat up in under three minutes like in Lance Hedrick's video.
It should be 1-3 minutes depending on volume and initial temperature.
@@subminimal Thanks for the response! I'll have to try it again tomorrow morning when I make coffee. On a setting of 3, it didn't start the countdown until 5 or 6 minutes in, it just did some sine wave before that. Then it was about 3 more minutes from when it first said OK until it stopped. (I measured with a Decent thermometer, and it was about 65 C, so at least that part was right.)
@@michaelb4727 Can you confirm you have a unit with the right voltage? Plugging a 220V unit into a 110V outlet would certainly slow everything down a lot if that was the case (the opposite would likely fry it though). Send us an email at hello@subminimal.com and share a quick video if you are able to repeat this. Thanks.
@@subminimal Good question, I just checked. I can confirm that both the pitcher and the base say 120V 400W, and I'm in the U.S., so it should be fine. If I run into issues again tomorrow, I'll send an email with more details, but it's good to know that it's expected to only take 2-3 minutes (which is what I was sort of counting on when I bought it, as it would shorten my morning routine substantially over using the stovetop). Thanks again!
why is the milk so cold? I did 180ml at 4 and the milk is barely warm. I took it off after it said "ok"
You likely experienced a spinout if that is the case. If the impeller is not turning, then the milk not churning and the device will stop early. Check out this support page: help.subminimal.com/en/article/impeller-spinout-8issc2/
Too bad mine arrived dead on arrival, nothing spins, just heats milk for a sec second and says ok...hopefully I get a replacement. update: getting a replacement my experience is not typical
Reach out to us by email (hello@subminimal.com) and we will take care of that for you. Sorry for the trouble.
I did thanks! @@subminimal
I can't wait to get my tracking on shipment and share with my followers!
Was about to buy it but stopped as soon as you said it’s not waterproof, too risky
The kettle connector we're using is made by Strix. They are the world leader in these kinds of connectors and power 70% of the market which is over a billion kettles/frothers/appliances used daily. The only precaution needed is to wash it upright.
I'll probably fill it with water up to the fill line and then run it because my hand won't fit inside it 😅.
I backed the Nanofoamer Pro because I loved the idea, after 4 months of delay, I received my Nanofoamer Pro and it is a defective one. It only warms the milk and then it makes an insane sound and nothing is happening. @subminimal any suggestions?
Mine seems to be doing this same thing, normal dairy and black insert. Spins a bit then 2nd phase it makes a loud noise but no movement and it’s just a bit warm milk
It is a known issue. Contact them on support and they will send you a new lid with a new spinner. And this fixes the issue