Ishmael, Esau, and Us: The Jewish Roots of Christianity and Islam (New series, episode 1)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In this new series of classes we explore the origins, history, and theology of the world's two biggest religions, Christianity and Islam, from a Jewish perspective. Could Judaism, being their common ancestor, provide the key to resolving their 14 hundred year old conflict?
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This was very enlightening. I'm enjoying this. Thank you Rabbi.
Thank you and really now get how, why Torah and prayer and believing have such amount of worth and to peace in all ways. I very much appreciate the broadcasts.
Thought provoking and insightful. Praying for the peace of Jerusalem - 🙏
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Looking forward to the rest of this discussion
I consider myself Messianic and I am very interested in what you were saying in your class. What came to mind as I was listening to this class was a scripture that seemed to fit in very well to what you were explaining Romans 11:17-18
So brilliant! Thank you so much, Rabbi. I feel like I'm being really well educated. Moving right along to Episode 2.
This is a great general primer from a genuine man of goodwill, trying hard to find useful common ground.
And he has done so.
The Esau/ Ishmael take is very interesting, and deserves serious study from thoughtful Christians that need to quickly build bridges to Judaism at this awful, but aweful time for us all
Thank you Rabbi
Wow watched this again. Very interesting.
This is awesome it's hard not to see God's hand at work on all of the Abrahamic religions. The similarities are more than the differences. Could you please do a video on Isaiah 43?
Very interesting. Thank you.
I think John Lennon got it right. “Imagine.” Religion is the densest energy.
Thank you rabbi!
וְאֶעֶשְׂךָ, לְגוֹי גָּדוֹל, וַאֲבָרֶכְךָ, וַאֲגַדְּלָה שְׁמֶךָ; וֶהְיֵה, בְּרָכָה.
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and be thou a blessing.
וַאֲבָרְכָה, מְבָרְכֶיךָ, וּמְקַלֶּלְךָ, אָאֹר; וְנִבְרְכוּ בְךָ, כֹּל מִשְׁפְּחֹת הָאֲדָמָה.
And I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse; and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.'
?through which nation Abraham will become a great nation
וּלְיִשְׁמָעֵאל, שְׁמַעְתִּיךָ--הִנֵּה בֵּרַכְתִּי אֹתוֹ וְהִפְרֵיתִי אֹתוֹ וְהִרְבֵּיתִי אֹתוֹ, בִּמְאֹד מְאֹד: שְׁנֵים-עָשָׂר נְשִׂיאִם יוֹלִיד, וּנְתַתִּיו לְגוֹי גָּדוֹל.
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee; behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
: The key words of Torah are
הִפְרֵתִי
בֵּרַכְתִּי
בִּמְאֹד מְאֹד
לְגוֹי גָּדוֹל
HaShem has used these Key words in the TORAH for Father Avraham and his Son Yishmael only
So The Promised Son is Yishmael in whom All the Nations of Earth will be Blessed
ok, Abraham is the blessing of all families, and, Ishmael will become A great nation, A single great nation, not all nations. Read more carefully please. A.D. 2023 A.D. Praise chant awareness.
@@timmiller7338 HaShem himself Named Him (YishmaEL), YishmaEL was The First ever child in The Bloodline of Avraham Who Born with The Name of HaShem "EL"
Avraham Avinu will be A Great Nation and Fruitful through Yishmael, Which means Every Nation on Earth will be blessed through Yishmael, Not through יַעֲקֹב Ya'akov, יַעֲקֹב Ya'akov meaning to be behind or to follow...So, יַעֲקֹב Ya'akov is destined to stay Behind
Ishmael may have been the first born, but, not from Abraham's wife. Glad to be cousins, 2023 A.D. praise chant, Shalom. @@channelone3773G
@@timmiller7338 The children of yisra...el inherited Hate from their Matriarchs Sarah and Rebecca...Even Rebecca was against her own son ESAU
@channelone3773G adultery carries a curse, but does speed up population growth. There are also lessons, and added variety for creation. It's best to repent and make the best of it. G-d can really patch things up well when we cooperate. Shalom
I think there are so many Christians and Muslims that are originally Jews (by DNA )but their ancestors converted through history
Please have a discussion with Rabi Weiss who will enlighten you in the Jewish religion and what the decreed for the Jewish people.
Being gentile, I finally got tired of the junk the "Church" and left. Since then I have discovered that perhaps they have lost The Way. When we gave ourselves to the Messiah, they don't realize they were grafted into the Hebrew Root, not the "Christian Church" They have no idea of what they are missing. What a shame!
Thank you Rabbi.
Moses was a muslim( submitter to the will of God) he was given a scripture for the children of isreal to abide by, Moses was not a jew nor did he ever hear about a religion called judaism.
YAE he was in Pharaoh s house, but his brother was a Levite, and Moses is in the quran only because the Torah was given to him. hence the quran says ;'Muslims, hold your Torah fast"!
If the cross and the crescent is the daughter of the Star of David, then the cross and crescent should have the same characteristics as the mother.
I’m Jewish and not a follower of Jesus or Christianity. However to get to know Christianity I do a lot of research on my own. The VERY earliest Christianity had the same characteristics as Judaism. But those characteristics started to dwindle as time went on.
It changed when Paul hijacked Christianity.
@@Anisa-nh5uhPaul was an observant Jew. Gentiles hijacked the teachings and mixed it with Greek philosophy.
he s saying that binah births tiferet. they cannot have the same charateristics since the latter is in time and space , its mother is not.
@@Anisa-nh5uh Paul didn’t hijack Christianity, things changed due to some disagreement between the gentiles and early Jewish believers
The key to resolving the worlds problems, sin, did indeed come from the jews.
His name is Jesus Christ.
God manifested in the flesh.
He was born of a virgin.
He was not overcome by force, He willingly laid down His life as the perfect Lamb to once and for all be the sacrifice for sin for all mankind. He died, was buried, and rose again on the 3rd day conquering death and the grave. He offers eternal life to those who believe in the gospel, the good news that I desribed above.
Salvation by the shed blood of Jesus Christ was offered first to the jew and then to the gentile.
Jesus who?
@@sid9535Jesus Christ
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So if your house is broken into, are you going to jump out a window and run like a coward, or are you going to fight the intruder to save your family?
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What I gave you is called an analogy. If you have love in your heart, you will risk your own life to save others, not be a coward who runs to save their own life.
Jesus gave His own life to save all who have sinned and repent of those sins.
The fine for sin is death and the grave. Hell.
Jesus paid that fine FOR us.
He laid down His own life, the perfect human without sin, God Himself, laying down his earthly body, to die for all sin.
He was buried, and rose from death, on the 3rd day, conquering death and the grave. Hell. So that we who repent of our sins, and believe the good news of what He did for us, will also be resurrected to everlasting life on His return.
Simple. So simple even children believe it.
It's the adults whose hearts have been hardened by bad things in life, who have the problem believing in a holy, just, and merciful God.
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@venuscraig748
In your arrogant stupidity you have called me, sir.
I am a 57 year old mother and grandmother, not a SIR.
You attack me because I welcomed your messiah as you reject Him. So be it.
We both have to stand before the judgment throne and explain what we did with my Fathers Son.
I will pray that my heavenly Father lifts the veil from your eyes. 🙏
Have a wonderful day. ❤️
Great teaching, A.D. 2023 A.D. Praise chant conjure co create ! Hashem's footstool fact, A.D. Earth year, a digital stump to A.I. !!
I’m curious to know how the visit to the refugee camps in Gaza changed your mind from “Occupation is evil” to a right wing view?
Islam rose out of Judaism? 😂
Unless you make the ridiculous argument that Prophet Abraham was a Jew as some have in the past. Utterly nonsense.
“Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allāh]. And he was not of the polytheists” Quran
Where is your evidence that Islam was created out of judaism given that Allah The Great commanded Prophet Muhammad to follow the way of prophet Abraham - the monotheist
“Then We revealed to you ˹O Prophet, saying˺: “Follow the faith of Abraham, the upright, who was not one of the polytheists.” And We have inspired you, [Prophet]: “Follow the faith of Abraham, who turned from every false thing, and who was not among the idolaters.”
And because the divine Justice to Allah is such that He warned the Muslims (Monothiests who believed Islam and followed the Messenger of Allah peace and blessings be upon him) , not to commit the folly and arrogance and rejection of Allah’s commands as SOME of the children of Prophet Israel have repeatedly.
And He Almighty on many versus also revealed the wonderful and spiritually blessedly among the them .
Similarly also are mentioned the nations of previous prophets . again, Allah praised and blessed the good among them and explained where some have gone out of bounds with respect to God’s commandments
We Christians follow Jesus christ the messiah not Abraham the father of faith , correct that
Please answer me , based on the Torah , can jews have a Jewish state ? Isn't that against your scriptures? What devine exile means to you ? Please give me an answer
Jews returned from Babylonian exile. G-d fulfilled a prophecy by Jeremiah that after 70 years they will return. The beginning of the redemption is also prophesied, so the answer is YES, Jewish people have once again returned to the Land of Israel as the biblical prophets promised they would. The Hebrew prophets foretold a day when G-d would draw His people back to Israel. Its a process, even when Jews returned from Babylon and had prophets with them, it took some years to complete the rebuilding the temple, 538 first return, Zerubabel takes 2 years to rebuild foundations for the temple, construction was delayed by Samaritan settlers whose friendly overtures masked a hidden hostility (Ezra 4:1-5). As a result of the opposition to the temple construction, Persia withdrew support for the project, and for seventeen years the temple sat unfinished (Ezra 4:21).
Finally, God sent the prophets Haggai and Zechariah to encourage and support Zerubbabel (Ezra 5:1-2), and the work on the second temple resumed. Four years later, in 516 BC, the temple was completed and dedicated with great fanfare (Ezra 6:16). . So iut takes time, and so now Israel in a stages of redemption. Bible prophets predict Israel would return to the Land in stages. Ezekiel 37 contains the stark and unforgettable vision of a valley of dry bones. The bones come to life in stages: first sinews on the bones, then flesh, then skin, and finally, the breath of life (Ezek. 37:6-10).
You’ll be waiting. These people can not accept the part they play in all of this. The only know one thing, that they’re Jewish and it’s their God given right to take Palestinian land without consequence. You most likely won’t receive and answer, if you do it won’t be what you’re expecting.
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When Jesus was crucified the veil was torn in half, and God no longer requires a temple made by man's hand to hold the spirit of God. The believer of Jesus Christ is the temple and the spirit indwells the believer.
Unfortunately Israel rejected their own messiah so God place a veil over their eyes until the time of the gentiles ends, when He will take away the veil and they will see, and mourn, what they did to their messiah.
Also, the catholic church is not true Christianity.
They are nothing but pagans who slapped Christian names onto their pagan rituals, gods, and traditions.
True Christians have nothing to do with catholicism.
If you are Abraham's and Moses's descendants and inheritors then the exile, struggle, lineage, the Promised land and the Covenant with God is yours otherwise not. God said to the Israelites, 'You shall be My People and I will be your God'. Thus they are God's chosen people, His favor rests with them and even though they are surrounded and outnumbered 1:500 by their enemies, they can never be destroyed. If this is not God's might and favor, what else is it.
Allah does not mean God, the Arabic word for God is Illah. That is why they say "La Illah il Allah" to claim that Allah is God, but they would not have to say that if it had that meaning.
According to Torah, Ishmael was born to Hagar and Avram when he was 86 years old (Bereshit/Genesis 16:16). HaShem/GD changed Avram's name to Avraham 13 years LATER, when Avram/Avraham was 99 years old and Yishmael was 13. (Bereshit/Genesis 17:1-5).
THAT was when HaShem/GD made the covenant with Avraham, and promised him that Avraham and his descendants (the yet-to-be-born Yitzchak) would have "the entire land of Canaan for an everlasting possession." (Ber./Gen. 17:8.)
The man who is Yishmael's father was named AVRAM, not AVRAHAM. HaShem/GD did not make the covenant with Avram. He made it with Avraham.
(It's interesting that, apparently, their book refers to Avraham by the name he received 13 years AFTER the birth of Yishmael. It's curious that do not call him AVRAM!)
The first born son of Avram is Yishmael.
The first born son of AVRAHAM is Yitzchak/Isaac.
AVRAHAM also had 6 sons that he later sired with Keturah/Hagar, after the passing of Sarah Imanu. Those 6 sons were sent east with "blessings" but no tangible inheritance from their father.
Only Yitzchak/Isaac inherited Avraham's spiritual imperative, legacy, land (what is now the State of Israel), money, etc.
You are in denial
You are correct. One important addition is that this split was initiated by Sarah who laughed at God's promise of a son and GAVE her hand servant to her husband to bear one.
Yes the inheritance is Isaac's.
Your the most delusional person on social media😂😂😂😂
This is correct. The covenant was made with Abraham, not Abram. While Ishmael is blessed as well, it is specifically through Issac that the covenant (including the whole land of Canaan) will be continued. Genesis 17.
Because they are not religious they dont know God. Same are the palistinions.who dont know about Ishmael and Isaac. They have taken on the muslim god Allah. They dont know the Blessing God gave to both boys Isacc and Ishmael. Both brothers are genealogy both Jewish but Ishmael is part Egyption.Due to Hagar being the handmaid of Sarah's. To Isacc and Ishmale both had a covenant of blessing given to each and know nothing about it. Isaac was blessed with the land . Thats their problem and Ishmals nature is being a bully. I feel both brothers need to speak together and settle this in your own way . God only cares that his will be done. Love each other as you love yourself. ❤️
Isaac and Ismael are not Jewish. They are Hebrew because they are descendants of Abraham. Jewish is from the tribe of Judah. Israelites composed of 12 tribes
My friend … Isaac and Ismael both are the sons of Ibrahim but are not both Jewish … the Jewish people are the descendants of Jacob the son of Isaac … Jacob became Israel and have the 12 tribes of Israel
Paul created the religion not Jesus.
Wrong. Christians do not think we came from Abraham nor do we follow Abraham. We are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ and follow HIM. Not Abraham.
the first covenant was with Abraham through whom all nations would be saved. . The New covenant in Jesus is the fulfillment of that first covenant
True.
Christianity does trace its bloodline from Jesus back to David back to Abraham. The promises are tied together. Yes we follow only Jesus because WE understand that all things were pointing to the coming Messiah. Old Testament is Jesus concealed and New Testament is Jesus revealed
Those of faith are sons of Abraham/Benei Abraham (Galatians 3:7). And the Seed of Abraham is understood to include the Messiah (Galatians 3:16). To your seed I will give this land (Genesis 12:7). Melech HaMasiach/The Annointed King will rule from Israel.
So the Rav in the video is not mistaken.
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I am not a jew nor a descendant of Abraham. I'm adopted, so that doesn't make me think I'm from Abraham.
No.
You rejected your Messiah who was prophesied to come before the destruction of the second temple. We Christians through faith in Yeshua receive the gift of eternal life through his atoning sacrifice. The promise to Abraham through his seed (Yeshua) that all Nations would be blessed through Him. I thank Israel for the scriptures both Old and New. The whole Bible is thoroughly Jewish. When Yeshua was here on earth he criticized the traditions of men that the Jews held in higher esteem than the Old Testament. The Jews of today hold many books written by men in higher esteem than their book from God….like the Talmud (opinions of men).
christianity is the initiation step to wisdom. jesus is the 3rd son of the haggadah., first gate. you want to become the first son. if you get stuck in between gates, it s because you are not fasting enough. for the first sons, your speech sounds foolish like the 3rd don.
Remember that every thing worked out for good … Jesus came to die as the ultimate sacrifice , the atonement, and through the temporary rejection of the Jews
( the original olive tree ) now the gentiles ( wild olive tree) believer of Massiah of Israel get crafted in the original olive tree to be one …
It is the mystery of salvation …
And for Jews and Gentiles to be one
Jesus said I didn’t come to judge the world but to save it …
I think it’s time we stop embracing myths and fairytales and focus on reality. I think it will help minimize the problems in the world.
What's the reality? We all came from apes, who came from fish, who came from bacteria that sprouted out of the magic custard?
The problem is that the Word of God / El Elohim is immutable.
The god of Islam is allah not YHVH. If you connect yourself (as a Jew) with the god of Islam you are just making another huge mistake and going farther away from from YHVH. You are correct in saying Christianity and Islam have nothing in common because most Christians believe that Muhammad was a false prophet because of the fruit of his religion. In no way is Islam a continuation of the Bible Old and New Testament. It may have more in common with the Talmud. Since both religions deny the Son of God came as prophecies foretold in the Old Testament. (Isaiah 9:6) I know modern day Jews think Isaiah 53 is not about Yeshua and Psalm 22 is not about Yeshua along with many other Old Testament prophecy but in Zechariah 12:10 some will realize who their Messiah is at His second coming after the great tribulation also known as Jacob’s trouble. The false Messiah is coming first to to bring devastation to the earth when he “promises peace and safety” and in the middle of it will kill Jews and Christians much like what is happening today but on a larger scale. I am not antisemitic because of my love for the Old Testament and
the New Testament has promises for Israel yet to be fulfilled. I am looking forward to millennial reign of the true Messiah at his second coming.
When humans give up impossible superstitious mythology the world would be a better place.
sometimes, a massive delusion helps shape the hearts of future poets. god wants it tha way :DDD
@@venuscraig748 god? Lmao
@@deelady53 yes i thought you d like thatt!! hehe
@@venuscraig748 I'm not superstitious and in need of mythology.
@@deelady53 have you read the epic of gilgamesh. everybody needs a story to associate with. kidz say im cindereela, or captain America. in the talmud there s a story between the raven and Noach, the raven accuses Noach of wanting his wife. there s a bit of soft porn, but it teaches that humans are 2 sided, myths are written to develop one s being. so u can know your dark side, and if you are lucky, you use it when it can bring good .... but dee, very few have discernment. hence they box themselves in. it s not so bad when you are happy in the unperceived mental slavery. gotta raise the IQ of this world is the real kicker. tearing down walls is the first step. then we will join you in your freedom. see ya later dee