Masters of the Air Clip - “Battle of Münster” (2024)
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2024
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My dad was a co-pilot of a B-17 in WWII. At 22, he lived through the action we’re seeing on screen. The losses were heavy. He flew 30+ missions, where you only had to do 25 to go home. He didn’t
talk about the war much, except to say that he could eat breakfast with a fellow soldier, and then the guy wasn’t there the next day because he died in action.😢 I am proud to have his Distinguished Flying Cross. I’ll treasure it always ❤️🇺🇸
wow
thanks to people like him, now me and my family can live in a free country 🇵🇱 I really appreciate all those heroes sacrifice.
Is that a highest medal of all the medals? Wow, awesome, sorry for the lost of your grandfather. Rest in Peace
My dad was Flt engineer (top turret gunner) on B-17 and B-24's he did 33 missions. Hardly ever would talk about it.
@@johnwhalen9499 who cares
This was Robert 'Rosie' Rosenthal and crew's third mission. After 4 aircraft from the 100th had turned back due to mechanical failures, 13 aircraft from the 100th proceeded to the target. Only one aircraft made it to the target and successfully returned to base: Rosenthal's aircraft. This was the beginning of Rosenthal's legend. There was enough story there that the whole mini-series could have been just about Rosenthal and his crews.
Yeah, but we gotta shoehorn the Red Tails in here somehow.
@@CorePathway Don't know about shoe horn, but give them their due!
@@winstonp.prescott3845 The Red Tails deserve all of the praise for what they did.... but the writers i feel did a disservice to them in this miniseries as they seemed to be 'thrown in' purely as an almost afterthought, just to appease the "inclusivity" crowd.
I didn't know this show existed. My father flew with the Bloody 100th and was shot down on the Munster raid. I've got to see this.
Hardcore man.
Did you know that if you go on the 100th foundation website you could look him up in the personnel files. I’ve browsing it and looking up all the real people.
My mother, around 11yo at the time, experienced the raid in a cellar. So we both had a parent on each end of the raid. I do hope your father made it home in good health.
wow
@@ralfklonowski3740 That's really cool.
This was the peak of the series
It was like a horror movie. Those poor guys.
My uncle was a bombardier in Triangle A, same as portrayed here. He got shot down by German fighters on a bombing raid over Kassel, Germany. His 24th mission. He was 19. Joined up when he was 16. They were bombing the BMW fighter engine plant. The first run they didn't bomb because the target was hidden by a smoke screen. So they went around for a second run. The second run was always deadly for the airmen. But that was how they won the war - by just fighting it out.
A brave man.
No a coward
A coward your mother was, thats for sure, not being brave enough to abort such a sh*t like yourself @@sickc-1375
Did he survive?
@@sickc-1375 spoken like a true keyboard warrior.
The only reason my then teenage grandmother survived that raid was because she went into the wrong shelter.
Lmao
The 109 pilot is going "Vot ist this pilot think he's flying, ein Spitfire?!!
Nein vulfgang… vee have named ze flug afta ein frau garten
@@johnrion3232 Frau garten?
@@johnrion3232 You don't have to "germanise" Wolfgang. It's already a german name.
Actually the B-17 could be quite maneuverable. They only flew straight and level for defense formation and the bomb run. But the planes were new, well maintained and the pilots in the late teens and twenties. So with the bombs gone and no group a good pilot could do everything but loops.
The B17 carried about the same bomb load as a Mosquito, hence very maneuverable in the hands of a skilled pilot once unloaded.
They had fighter escorts but they only had enough fuel to protect them on part of the missions.Not till later like early 1944 did they get additional fuel tanks for Spitfires.I always remembered in Memphis Belle the guys saying goodbye "little friends" when they had to turn back.Unbielivable courage these men displayed!!
P-51 Mustangs were the game changer in 1944, to Berlin and back. Spitfires could go as far as northern France.
The P-51 came along later in the war and had the range to protect the Bombers.
Catch 22
Great Movie: Memphis Belle… No CGI! I’ve nothing against it…. Just saying.
It was first the p-47 that escorted the b-17's aka the "jugg" it was very well armoured, reliable, good sustain heavy damage still return home and had good fuel range escorting bombers i think even back and forth but..... the p-47 was far less agile and slower then the bf 109 and the focke wulfs around 43 44 so american airforce indeed incorporated the p-51 mustang but this was far later on heavy losses where already sustained due to the fact that even if the bombers had p-47 escorts they where to slow climbed slow and didnt stand a chance against an good bf 109 pilot german airforce was leading for years in technology . Then the p-51 came and later on also fuel tanks that fully covered the journey. The spitfire had the same rolls royce motor with 2000 horse power of rolls but the p51 was still faster, better build aurodynamically. The p-51 was for a while the fastest plane on the earth with a speed of 750km an hour + heavy armament and a fast climber high altitude escort bomber fighter toghether with the p-38 twing engine boom 2x roll royce motor. Wich also escorted a lot of b17 missions countering the bf 110 high altitude fighter. Only after the p51 and especially the p51 red tails black division. bomber missions suffered much less casualties the black division performed the best in defending bomber missions. So after the commisioning of the p51 i think in 44 or 43 correct me if im wrong bombers missions where mainly a mixture of p51-s p47-s and p-38's. But ofcourse spitfires hurricanes, tempests, sea fires, and lot of other british models probably have seen action.
My Dad's B-17 was shot down on this mission 10/10/1943.
They were in the 385th BG. Right waist gunner and ball turret gunner were KIA. Dad was top turret gunner and became POW in Stalag 17b
Сколько же вам лет?
@@user-kg6vm2bf1o I would guess he could be in his 70s maybe 80s? You get old if you live long enough!
To my knowledge it was very rare for a bomber crew to shoot down fighters. In this series every bomber gunner becomes an ace it seems, and on every mission too.
Yea, you're onto something here, e.g. during one of the Schweinfurth raids the Luftwaffe would lose around 20 to 40 fighters to all causes. So kills by bomber defensive machine guns were not exactly rare, but occurred much less than the show would have viewers believe.
Over all, despite the suspiciously many, suspiciously enthusiastic reviews, I think the show is, very much like 'The Pacific' was, very badly written.
Yep, the reality is, the "Flying Fortress" concept failed. Not that it wasn't a successful bomber, but the idea of them being able to defend themselves against fighters just didn't pan out.
After horrendous losses on the Schweinfurt raids, the Air Force suspended daylight bombing until long range fighter escorts became available.
I only counted 8 German planes hit in this episode with what looked like half going down in flames, compared to the 25 confirmed to have been lost in the actual raid.
In the episodes prior only 1 was hit in the opening of episode 1 and one smoking I the latter half, while in episode 2 only one was shot down and in episode 3 I counted 6 hit compared to 25-27 lost in the August 17 raid.
Rare on a per-sortie basis maybe, but they routinely flew 500+ bombers per mission, several times per month - shooting down 20-40 per mission when you have 500 plus aircraft shooting at them is quite believable. The real problem is that each enemy fighter would have gunners from several bombers shooting at it, all claiming it when the first puffs of smoke appeared.
It was not rare, but very difficult. Command thought it would be easy, and could not addmit that simply putting a gun at every corner would not make a bomber invinceable. How wrong they were. I read that some (?) crews shared each kill. Gen. Adolf Galland said that attacking a heavy bomber was very risky, and his method was to dive into the firmation from above. Only the top turret had a shot, but difficult one ,and it was the widest view of the bomber . He did say rookie German fighter pilots did not do well with his method, and collided alot. Mission accomplished.
I had an uncle who flew in a Lancaster bomber for the RAF, and he was anything but a coward (like they were trying to portray them as in this show). His unit took incredible losses during the war, but they still got in those planes. I also had an American uncle who flew in a B17. I don't know what his MOS was in the plane, but the only thing he would ever say about the war was that one can not imagine the horror that you feel hearing your friends screaming as their planes fell out of the sky. He also commented to me once about how fanatical the German fighter pilots were. They were defending their homes, so who wouldn't be?
All in all, these kids on both sides were brave, and they died like flies. War is a terrible thing. It pits one kid against another. They personally don't have a grudge against the other, but they have to fight to stay alive. I always treated our Iraqi prisoners with respect for this reason. They were doing what I would have done in their situation. These men came out to fight one of the best fighting forces in the world, and they did so with old and sometimes used up rifles. So they earned that respect.
Вы очень мудро думаете..
Wow, someone with a respectful, thoughtful and considerate opinion.
Rare these times.
Thank you.
Americans have nothing but respect for the RAF, then and now.
It's insane to think that a lot of those guys where in their twenties when this happened
Some Pilots were only 19!
If they were that old, many were underage.
Teens
@@dan3535351 A few were teenagers. But most were in their mid-to-late 20s.
Many of the captains were only 21
As a Combat Veteran and Paratrooper I Salute these WWII Brave Crewmen with the utmost respect, praise and gratitude. God Bless these Courageous Warriors 🫡
Is murdering civilians on purpose really that courageous?
Münster - my home town. They are still finding several duds in the city of Münster, every year. Whole districs are evacuated and closed down, for the defusing and removal. Many of those bombs have a detonator on a chemical basis, that still works today. Thats why these are still as dangerous as in 1945. Every few years a bomb goes off "accidently" and kills some people.
An estimated 200.000 to 300.000 tons of duds are buried in the soil of Germany, today and its still going to take decades to remove those.
I thought, this may be interesting info in general.
Sorry for my bad english. Greetings from Germany!
In Russia now is the same situation. Not only in Russia, also in all west state of USSR. Children often dies, when plays. "Echo of the war"
Donald pleaseance the british actor flew 62 bombing missions for the raf ..before becoming an actor ...he played the forger in the film The great escape ...
Splendid
Un gran actor sin duda.un gran piloto le debemos mucho todos.hizo muy buenas películas 🎥 como muchos actores famosos por lo visto también lucho en la segunda guerra mundial..
@@marianovaliente2103 Including Jimmy Stewart.
Many of the actors in the Great Escape were in the service including Steve McQueen. Excellent movie.
James garner was also in a bomber during ww2
I aways wonder how much damage was done by "friendly fire" in those huge formations of bombers
Not as much as was done by Flak and fighters.
Can't remember exactly who said it but there's an interview with a German pilot where he talks about the tactics they used against bombers and how during a pass going through the middle of the formation was the safest place to be because the gunners wouldn't shoot for fear of hitting each other.
you would be surprised ammo casing dropping on another aircraft occured more often than friendly fires
The combat box was designed to minimize that, but with all hell breaking loose it did happen. When you add up all the other things, 50cal friendly fire was almost irrelevant when compared to 88mm flak, 20mm cannon from 109 and 190 or simply other forts blowing up and taking others in the formation with them.
I read less than .5%
Who fixed the wing mid flight? One minute there is a hole in the wing and then at 3 min 57 sec in the clip it has gone / repaired?
Adults: amazing show to understand what those men did for our freedom
Kids: CGI is bad
I mean, it is though.
@TheAmericanKid94 it could be so much worse. This project started as "The Mighty Eighth" movie. That trailer had some rough effects. We got off lucky with this one
I'll be real, your joke is funny af, but I'd like to boomer out here for a second and offer context some might not be thinking of...
So, I remember watching these types of movies/shows back in highschool (2011-2015) and understanding it took guts, but the full gravity of what I was watching didn't hit me till I was about 22 and was told by family elders "that guy could and just might have been you, if you were around back then" and that's a wild realization to have, which most don't.
They see actors, CGI, and imperfections, and can you blame them? They simply lack the world skills and context that come with being a more mature adult. It's almost better these kids don't have to understand that harsh truth too early, it's basically what these incredibly brave men fought for!
Anyways, thanks for coming to my TED Talk, hope you have a blessed one :)
@@michaelgarcia4035 True. To be totally fair CGI for this kind of project is necessary considering there are only 4 flyable B17's in existence. That being said, it could have been better. Also did they have to CGI the desert scenes? Like they couldn't just go to the desert and film? Seemed lazy tbh.
@@TheAmericanKid94 they relied on the CGI screen a lot for background acting rather than going to locations these days. Probably cheaper for them
Still doesn't stop me from enjoying the stories
Ex RAF mobile Comms, used to travel by C-130 to NATO exercises, used to stand by the reader right door, which had a window, see the English Channel dissapear & think, so from now, you are on your own….. & pray for those lost.Only going one way to, say, Italy….it was a long flight, & a long way down. Day or night …they were brave lads, all. respect to those that survived, regular prayers for those who did not.😊
Does anyone remember Memphis Bell?
Never forget!
It's on display at the National Museum of the US Air Force. Dayton. Its fully restored although probably not flyable. Anyone who likes aircraft should get to that museum at least once.
wore the tape out of that film
One of my favourite movies. Anyone know where it can be found today?
Grew up watching it with my dad, love that film and all the history surrounding these brave soldiers.
I like how they added the bits and pieces of the down places falling. I don’t remember seeing that in other movies alike
Other people: YOU CANT DOGFIGHT WITH A B-17
This crew: Watch me
Hold my beer!
Physics: "Nah, you really can't... It just happens when the CGI artists have no idea how physics work."
Also Physics: "In reality, that B-17 would have oversped and broken up in mid-air or got caught by that German fighter with his vastly tighter turning circle."
War Thunder: reality can be whatever I want
Comparing this to show Band of Brothers or The Pacific is chalk and cheese.
Perhaps viewing the Battle of Britain from the British perspective would carry more weight.
😂😂😂nö denn die Engländer wollten den Krieg oder warum ist Churchill auf Hitlers Gesuch nicht eingegangen, das Churchill zwischen Polen und dem Dritten Reich nicht vermitteln wollte ??
England, Polen, Frankreich und die USA sind am Krieg genauso schuldig eigentlich die Schuldigen !
Holy shit the pieces of the 2 bombers that collided just floating down around them that was f'ing spooky as hell.
This episode hit me hard couldn't believe what those guys went through let alone such actually happen especially how many came back from the mission
It didn't go down like this....this is very hollywooded up
What was it like @@ironnads7975
@@ironnads7975 it is an accurate depiction. This shows the Air Raid on Muenster on the 10 Oktober 1943. The 100th Bombardment Group was a part of. They started with 13 B17 in England. 12 were shot down. Only one came back. The bloody Hundred lost 177 Airplanes during the war, so the whole unit was destroyed several times. The 8th USAAF lost over 5100 Airplanes during the war more than 26000 of their airmen were killed in action.
@@Folgeantrag
The numbers might be matching but this is everything but a “accurate depiction” 110% Hollywood 😂
@@yorgonosch7225 You can read about "Royal Flush" if you're unconvinced, but it did actually happen. You can also read about "Old 666", I believe it went through similar circumstances against around 17 Zeros.
I knew an old guy who had been a waist gunner on a B17 . Flew more than his 25 he said . He only remembered actually seeing his hits on one fighter in all the fights he had been in. Didn’t even know if that fighter went down or not. He said he was always too damn scared to worry much about anything except firing his gun.
I know an elderly German woman from Munster. She was visiting her daughter in Kentucky about 30 years ago. One of the neighbors came over and said. "You're from Munster? I was a gunner during the war. We bombed Munster" She was not pleased
What got me here is how they see one plane ignite, explode, slam into the other one and all you can do is watch. Also, how badly they want the relief of seeing parachutes.
Its more that they need to mark the position if any parachutes are seen, for rescue missions, but yes relief also.
@@HeartFeltGesture What? Rescue missions were not a thing. They wanted to see if their buddies had survived.
@@noneofyourbusiness9489 "They wanted to see if their buddies had survived." Yes, to make note of their position at the time of any parachute sightings, for POSSIBLE rescue, no body knows if will or can be done but you record the bloody information at the time in the eternal hope that you can tey to save everyone so you do your best even if its hopeless, so you take note of the position and radio in the situation and pray to whatever makes sense to you that all ends well....
@@HeartFeltGesture You're historically ignorant. What rescue? You think they were deploying SAR helicopters in WW2? If you went down in German occupied territory, your only hope was local resistance groups. There was nothing the allies could do for you.
@@noneofyourbusiness9489 There were a couple of sleeper cells posing as farmers in a nearby village, they had made a radio out of dung and some odd n ends, they heard the call with the coordinates and took in the injured pilot, and made him hot beef soup with hunks of sourdough and butter.
They all served. My buddy's dad was in -17s - he did his 25 over Europe. His granddad was a dough in the trenches in 1918. Mr. Burns next door was XO on a DE on the Atlantic convoy runs. My dad was CO of a DE in the Pacific. He kept it floating after being hit by a kamikaxi. Doc Howe was a battalion surgeon in the Philippines. My uncle who had lost two fingers to a motorcycle chain in the 30s was a PW camp guard.
A hidh school history teacher, Herr Fuchs, was a 15 year old on the Russian front in January 1945.
They all went where they were told to go and did the best they could to do a good job at what they were told to do.
My buddies and I did the same later in Southeast Asia.
Short controlled bursts. That is what my father always said watching ww2 bomber movies. He was a gunner in a b24 in the 446th BG out.of east Anglia. Became a lead crew after Jan 45. Participated in a 1200 bomber mission to Berlin. He was the fourth ship over dropping chaff.
I loved this series!! CG or not! Most closest thing to being on those missions I will ever get to!! ❤
Seeing those metal pieces fall calmly through the sky is similar to when you're in Afghanistan, and all of a sudden, all of the locals disappear, everything gets quiet, you're not getting shot at and there are no explosions.
It's the real-life version of "boss music" from a video game.
Everything is calm right now. It won't be for very long.
I live in münster.Stayed here after been posted here with the british army.90% of münster was demolished from air raids but they built it back up to its origional state.There is a church in the middle of the city with 3 cages hanging from the spiral where they would hang prodisten attackers during the 30 year war and the last person to be hung up in one of them was an american bomber pilot during WW2.
These flying scenes just look shockingly bad. We waited so long for this series and we got this.
CGI overkill. Ruined.
Y'all are yapping. CGI? Really? What did you expect? 100 real pilots piloting 100 real ww2 airplanes? The way the scenes are portrayed is from the crew's perspective. It makes perfect sense.
They didnt even respect the laws of physics in some scenes..
Yeh I don't think I will be watching this series at all ....I prefer Menphis belle or battle of Britain
@@popu_85 I know! somehow, while flying at 200+mph you are surrounded by debris floating as if it was in water, not in air and bound by gravity, and somehow keeping up with the B-17 and not disappearing in the rear as the plane propelled forward at speed. Idiotic.
ahhhh, someone who plays video games made a movie. If you are moving at 200+ mph and stuff is falling out the air, you will pass it very quickly. You won't watch it float past you like it is also going 200+ mph while flying. And B-17s didn't drop out of the sky, like 4 in the span of 2 minutes. Airplanes also don't explode that easy. (look at the collision at the airshow last year of a B-17, it just came apart.)
Remember, a young Charles Bronson was like one of those guys, after bombing Germany during WWII he got their unexpressive eyes.
Charles Bronson was a gunner on a B29. Being on a B17 was cold. Your oxygen mask would freeze up do to the cold, if one of your buddies was seriously wounded somebody had to make sure is mask didn't freeze up. You shot your guns in short burst to prevent over heating of the barrel. You had only one minute to take your glove off if you changed out your barrel. After that your hand was too cold to do any work. The top gunner had to be careful no to shoot the tail off the plane. If he did the pilot had to use the engine thrust of each wing to guide back to England. It was important to keep communication open and not hog the radio. When you got back to base bring out the two inch hose.
POV: Me and the boise practicing beginner maneuvers for our PPL and there is a single traffic nowhere near us
"When airplane engines fall to the ground, it's like a piece of paper."
Photographic evidence shows that engines separated from the bomber, in a fireball, were still running.
Here on YT, look up Nike missile B-17 test.
It's called artistic license. The director is trying to convey the moment of horror, seeing bits of bombers falling all around you.
@@bmused55Whatever you call it, it looked ridiculous
@@wakka4211 I'm guessing you don't know the meaning of the word drama, or expect every film to be a staid documentary.
@@rikk319 you aren't supposed to change the laws of physics to make something dramatic. It looks absolutely ridiculous. Tons of the CGI in this show was completely ridiculous in the way planes moved. It was awful
Increible escena. Pude sentir toda la acción en mi estómago. He visto muchas películas de este tipo desde niño y los b17 son mi bombardero favorito. Tal vez estuve en alguno en una vida anterior o en algún caza protegiéndolos.
Brutal battle. Insane evasive flying.
Not even close to realistic
@@ironnads7975 Likely dramatized, but it was something that actually happened with that individual bomber (though I've heard the scene was actually toned down, so who knows, I guess).
Look up Ole 666 it happened in the pacific
@@ironnads7975You are so wrong lol.
@@idlzrufTrue... but that was a heavily modified bomber that didn't have a full bomb load (it was on a photo recon mission) and was at much lower altitude. To fly a B-17 around like that at high altitude and with a full bomb load goes way past what the air-frame could do.
Rosenthal going full Crazy Ivan no doubt contributed to the survival of him and his crew. The Krauts would try to set up an intercept approach, and Rosie would zag when the Jerries thought he'd zig. Airmanship of the highest order!
Not detracting from the bravery of the bomber crews AT ALL... but we had a B-17 crewman who completed 25 missions speak at our school back in the '80s. He told us he never fought Geman fighter planes. He saw them in the distance a couple times, but they never engaged. He did mention how terrible the flak was, and they lost some planes that way. Yes, I've seen the gun camera footage of German fighters shooting down B-17s, so I know it did happen, I just wonder if it was a common event.
It was pretty common in 42 and 43 when Germany actually had pilots. A lot of the guys who flew missions for the first two years would have faced hoardes of enemy fighters, but by the time the war was ending German planes in the sky were basically nonexistent. A relative of mine took part in the 8th Air Force's very first bombing mission on July 4 1942. On that mission, the cockpit of his B-17 took a direct hit from a Fw 190's 20mm cannon, killed co pilot and severely injured the pilot. They were shot down a few weeks later by another 190.
Where you are in the formation and where your bomber group may be in the whole bombing raid can pay a huge part. He may have found himself getting quite lucky with his plane not being in the most dangerous positions.
That vet had it easy, must have been late 1944 or sometime in 45 he flew his missions. In 1942 and 1943 the bombers had a rough time as they had no escort.
It is also historically accurate that the entire squadron bar one plane was shot down on this mission. 13 entered German airspace only 1 came back. It was that brutal.
@@bmused55warum brutal ?? Wenn deine Heimat angegriffen wird dann wird Kampf und Verteidigung zur Pflicht... Ich möchte nur an Dresden 45 erinnern oder Hamburg oder Lübeck oder Bremen oder oder wo die Kranken GIs bewusst Brandbomben geworfen haben und so 90% der Städte komplett unbrauchbar wurden....
Umso mehr zeigt es wenn Deutsche in Frieden gelassen werden was daraus erwachsen kann. Kultur, Bildung, Wissen!!!
There are a number of verified accounts of the Luftwaffer putting up 200 and 300 fighters in massed attacks - if you were at the front of the formation you would definitely have seen them!
One of the best clip ever 🔥🔥🔥
I don’t think that wounded B-17 could do those kinds of maneuvers but it is said Rosie did “wild, evasive maneuvers” during the Munster raid. Also it was his tail gunner that got most of the kills defending the bomber. Cool they included the waist gunners getting injured which also happened.
This guy was in a bomber crew in 1968. Battle of Britain!
Beautiful clip ❤❤
He no longer must stay in formation. Fights back.
No matter the side, war is absolute hell
Brave kids:just taking everything thrown at them.Real heroes they were!God bless them all.
Б-17 крепкая машина, но и весит соответствующе... такую маневренность на экране показывает!!! Сказки конечно!
Но героизм парней никто не умаляет, жестокая была война....
THEY SAY HELL IS 5 MILE UP
Love this scene because Rosie shows how good of a pilot and leader he is
I imagine what these soldiers felt when they saw their friends get hit and their plane fall into pieces.
I believe it was a feeling of fear and a rage to overthrow one's enemies. I believe that those who lived through the war had several psychological problems in the rest of their lives.
Rosenthal is a legend. He dogfights and beats multiple BF-109s in a B-17.
Good to have these clips - I can see I want to watch nothing further of what is basically a comic book with real actors in it.
1:13 even not in slo mo this must have been surreal seeing chunks of B-17 falling all around them.
Due to their weights being lighter. It falls a lot slower
Not even realistic
Great show @@ironnads7975
@@ironnads7975so what was it like flying in the daylight campaign 1942-45? …..hello?…anyone?…..🤡
Wow!!!!!!
É filme ou série? Tem na Netflix?
Ball turrets are an awesome feat of engineering of the time.
Yes they are but DEADLY too !
@@Sharky2901 yes they must have been. For the airman inside. Tail gunner as well.
They had balls as big as the turrent themselves!
Not if you were in one.
@@fotograf736 Statistically ball turret was one of the safest positions in a b-17. It was more deadly to be a waist gunner
Holy moly...that was amazing. 😮
Insane how many men sacrificed their lives in the air battles of WW2.
The musical sting as the B-17 flies away from the camera revealing it was all alone, it's like a reveal in a horror movie. Normally this was a death sentence.
For anyone commenting that a B-17 would never be able to make those manoeuvres, and that the scene is unrealistic: check yourselves. This happened. By all accounts the manoeuvres we see in the show are toned down a little. Both Rosenthal and his co-pilot had to wrestle the controls to make their B-17 fly like it did. The tactic worked, they got home.
The only positive thing about not being in a formation is you can manoeuvre to make yourself a hard target. Had Rosenthal still had another bomber in formation with him at this point, I doubt either would have made it as they would have been forced to fly straight and in tight formation.
It might have happened somewhat like this (often crews left out embarrasing details, what ended in the reports often did not reflect reality) but stiill the CGI depiction is physically impossible.
Physics are non-negotiable, like all laws of nature.
the way the debris falls without the slgihtest tumble really stands out, the rest looks ok
It must have been like hell in the air....
It must have been terrifying
The RAF bombers had a manoeuvre called the corkscrew. There is at least one account of a German fighter trying unsuccessfully for a long time to get a shot at a bomber performing this tactic.
What title is this ?
This scene and the entire story is very emotional, just think all those brave guys were not older than 25 years old. It is the best series I have seen for a long time, and based on true facts.
The airplane physics in this series is so painful..
the definition of "Flying Fortress"
I wonder if they have interlocks on the top turret to prevent shooting your own tail off.
Yes.
They seriously didn't do their research on some of these aircraft. I am finding a crap load of mistakes. I feel they rushed to get this show out. I watched the last episode the other night and a scene was shown from the tail end of a B-17 and the right elevator was down while the left one was in its neutral position. Ya, that doesn't happen, nor can it.
The show was in preparation and production since 2013. And - "a crap load of mistakes" - it's not perfect, but they have gone to quite some lengths to get the details mostly right. There are other YT channels that do a much better job than "a crapload of mistakes" in telling us what's not correct. I recommend you look them up.
"Let's make this as gritty, realistic and successful as BoB!"
"100%. But also we'll have a scene of a B-17 maneuvering around and taking out a bunch of fighters."
"Sounds legit."
It may not be accurate but they probably wanted to dramatise it to show just how good a pilot Robert Rosenthal was.
Probably somewhat dramatized for effect, but the events did actually happen: it took the combined strength of Rosenthal and Lewis to get the B-17 to make manuvers so severe that the waist gunners were just barely holding on.
Intetsting of note is DeBlasio (tail gunner) apparently scoring six kills during the defense, though they were never confirmed on account of no witnesses being present to confirm any kills, and that this was stated in a letter DeBlasio wrote to Rosenthal post-war; the 8th claimed 105 kills while the Germans only listed 25 losses, so it's theoretically possibly those six might've been his, though he and the other gunners certainly did their bit.
"Royal Flush" (along with "Old 666", a bomber in a similar bind) was an interesting bomber to read up on, and I would recommend further reading since that'll do more justice to the story than a RUclips comment section.
BoB was live action
Spiers running through the German lines at Foy was pretty unbelievable too. Sometimes mad things happen.
Somebody doesn’t play war thunderrrrrrr…
Feels a Bit Like the wolfenstein intro
Because it is the same level of realism... 🤮
I can’t imagine how durable those planes were if you could get shot up and fly that aggressively which according to legend is what happened.
Excelente serie
Damn didnt know the bomber was such a nimble fighter with those moves -.-
When push comes to shove, even I would've given that a try. What is more, they were no longer in formation with other bombers. The B-17s were constructed sturdy and tough, if it couldn't take that bit of rough flying then it didn't deserve the name Fortress.
Какое бы кино про войну американцы ни делали - получаются звёздные войны. Стрельба, взрывы, экшн, но ни секунды про судьбы, переживания, смысл жизни и смерти. Максимум - картинные слёзы. Да красиво, да реализм, да, хорошие актеры, но редко какой фильм вспомнишь на следующий день.
What a horrible scene, all those plan parts falling from the sky..... what a fear they must have felt.
Где можно смотрет фильм полностью?
This series is worthy of any awards.
This is a requiem for the feat of all pilots and everyone involved in the feat.
And it doesn’t matter who it is, Americans, British, French, Russians. Their feat in the fight against fascism is priceless and eternal!
My Grandfather was a B-17 master crew chief in the Mighty 8th. He had 7 planes during the war. That's because 6 didn't come back. 60 Men. It wasn't something he talked much about.
This is Will Poulter on the screensaver?
Greatest generation for a reason
huh, not those that fought in WW1 and then WW2?
Honestly dude, F U C K being a bomber crew ill take my chances as a fighter or on the ground.
MASSIVE respect to those who served as one though.
Balls.
Of.
Steel.
My dad was the co-pilot of one of those bombers. He flew 30+ missions. I’m proud to have his Distinguished Flying Cross…🇺🇸❤️
After the war, they noticed that most people they had killed were women and children. Wonder whether this is shown by Spielberg and Hanks. I guess not.
No way you do any maneuver with such a hole in the wing.
この映画はどこで視れるの⁉️
Imagine seeing all that debris floating through the air around you?
I like how the marketing pitched Cleven as the uber-pilot, when all along it was Rosey. Cleven would have tried to be macho and flew straight on into the Messerschmitts, Rosey said F that, now my fort is an oversized P-38, deal with it krauts!
Madness! Stupidity! Waste! And yet we do it over and over again! Two uncles in RAF. I had one uncle fly fighters in the Battle of Britain who was sent to the front line after one solo flight. He lived. Another uncle flew in bombers and was shot down over the Mediterranean. MIA.
we know they were fighting for the wrong side, but those german pilots were brave as f..k
I guess Hollywood will never stop going back to the well of WW2
Is this war thunder game play video lol
To shreds you say?! Oh dear!
I feel like the music takes away from the scene. BoB and Saving Private Ryan purposely left music out of battle scenes so it felt more immersive and so it wouldn't distract from the action
Found one! Belt at 2:22. XD
well spotted!
0:30 “There’s a hole in your left wing!”
My dad was a pickup truck driver. He was a piece of sh*t.
lol
Yo. That’s awesome
Not really
The battle of Herman Munster.