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you can say what you want. but we will rant about only 1 campaign. there could be 4 civs and 2 campaigns. everyone knows that would be better for community.
@@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961 you know this is a step towards more incoming variant possibly. no more unique civs. just 1 in a year probably. i like 4 variants for now.
@@marjimanrts I'd rather rant about how AoE 4 does campaigns. The reason AoE 4 gets fewer campaigns is cos there's more production value invested into each one. That sounds like a good thing but it's not. It results in things like expansions having fewer campaigns but also in the custom campaign scene for the game being pitiable compared to the massive plethora of custom content for AoE 2, or even AoE 1. Cos it's much easier to make comparable custom content for those games than for AoE 4. Meanwhile the higher investment doesn't result in better actual gameplay in the campaign scenarios, as most of it seems to spent on presentation and other ancillary stuff rather than more interesting scenarios.
@@Achab93 He's Turkish but it's not too hard for Turks to grasp the Arabic names, as we use them quite similarly. He may have some Arabic ancestry or Quranic education too.
Everything revealed so far looks so amazing except the names of the Civ variants. I was hoping it was a mistake or placeholder but seeing them in your video it looks like they’re confirmed 😢. Sultan’s Army is too generic, Joan of Arc is a person not a civ, and Empire of Jade is either made up or very obscure. Order of the Dragon is ok but a little weird of a choice given it was far less impactful than the other Military Religious orders.
I do agree with you on this one - I also don't like the names and raised this when I first found out about it weeks ago. The names do feel weird, but I suppose we get used to it quickly. :)
yeah those names suck.....teutonic order, duchy of borgogne, sultanate of egypt or mamluk sultanate should be be better.....empire of jade is better but it's obiscure for me too.....btw new content is always welcome
@@BenjinWS it's unhistorical to use Jeanne d'Arc Civ starting in dark age.....Jeanne d'Arc died in 1431 at 19 years old at the end of 100 years war between england and france.....i know ir'a videogame but who know a bit of history start laughing
I know I’m being a nerd, but I just wish they use historical names for the ‘variant civs’, like the Teutonic Order, the Knights Hospitaller, the Egyptian State (Fatimid, Ayyubid, Mameluke). AoE4 presents the civs as political entities and it’s better to stick with that.
The Order of the Dragon was a real Crusader faction, Jeanne D'Arc and Sultan's Army are self-explanatory, but Empire of Jade just sounds like another name for China.
I will be completely honest, I have not had hardly any of the normal gripes that other players have with this expansion, I don't care that were are only getting 2 full new civs, I don't care that we are only getting 1 new campaign, I have largely been extremely hyped and seeing the teaser made me super excited for this expansion 10/10. But the variant civ names? Are AWFUL. A huge selling point for AoE4 for me was the historical campaigns and immersion of playing real kingdoms/cultures. Does that mean I expect it to be perfect? No. Its a video game. But I do expect it to be in line with how they advertised it, and at the very LEAST, I expect it to be CONSISTENT. These variant civs, if they are named the way listed above. Are FAR from consistent, they don't even sound like civilizations at all, it raises all sorts of awkward thematic questions in regards to how these will be labeled in loading screens compared to OG civs, are we even fighting civilizations anymore? Or just fantastical historical heroes and their armies? Jeanne d'Arc vs the Japanese? It sounds like a complete and utter fucking joke. I take immersion very seriously. As I said, it doesn't need to be perfect, but it does need to be consistent, and this is very inconsistent, awkward, and poorly planned. Even if they showed up like normal civs, and not variants, the bad naming conventions will be an eyesore to anyone opening the civ selection menu. The good news is, that this could all be fixed if they just changed the names of the variants. It sounds simple, but names and titles and stuff do matter a lot. I found this thread on the AoE4 forums: forums.ageofempires.com/t/poll-should-the-variant-civilization-names-change/239487 where if anyone else is discontent with the new names as well, they can voice their concerns. Sorry to rant in the comments of your video Age of Noob, rest of the expansion looks great, and your coverage of it is as always, extremely good. You are just the first one to call the variants out by name, and its super disappointing to hear them called the way they are.
I hear you loud and clear my friend, and I agree. 11 I raised this issue with them internally myself, but things like these are decided many months in advance, so there's nothing my sole feedback will accomplish at that point. If the backlash to the names is large enough (and it kinda seems like it's getting there), they might end up changing the names. It's easy enough to do before launch. And I hope they do because I agree that the names overall are all over the place. And not just the new variants either. Delhi Sultanate/Abbasid Dynasty vs just "Ottomans" for example. Why not Ottoman Empire? Civ names overall have never been consistent, and the variants just made it worse for sure.
@@AgeofNoob I have been spearheading the effort as much as I can to get the names changed on reddit, discord, and the forums. I think across your poll, the reddit poll, and the forums poll, we have largely stabilized in percentages. Roughly 40% don't like it on your community (Unsure why the people who like it are actually as high as they are compared to other communities, but the dislike/hate category is still the largest). On reddit over 80% demand at least a partial change if not full change, and on the forums 90% want to see the variant names changed. I have collected all the statistics and tagged you on twitter so you can see them. While only a small number are vocally protesting (And another small number are vocally anti-protesting), almost no one in the comments section of either reddit, discord, or the forums, have expressed actually preferring the current names over more historically accurate ones, the main concerns seem to simply be that "Complaining about names is stupid, You protesters are going to scare the devs away from developing, History and thematics don't matter so long as the game plays good, or Malders gonna mald and if not about this doom posters would find something else in the expansion to doom post about". None of these are good faith arguments, much less valid and constructive ones. Its frustrating, but I know this isn't going to get fixed overnight, and the forums of every game community are often filled with chaotic trolls. All we can do is be persistent and clear. Still hyped for everything else in the expansion, but the names really gotta change.
@@xefjord You're doing good work dude :) I simply don't have the time or energy to waste on the effort to have our opinions heard by the devs, but I'll upvote anything in this direction that I come across. This change in theme baffles me. Fortunatelly, 'jeanne d'arc' and 'sultans army' can easily be fixed by a simple renaming. I don't know that to make out of "empire of jade". My main issue is that a new civ in age IV takes a lot more work than a new civ in age II, in the old game you just take an existing architecture, code in a new set of bonuses, add 1-2 unique units and call it a day. In age IV we will have a lot less civs, so this 'waste of civ slots' in ridiculous choices like "jeanne Darc" makes me worried that they are taking the game in a strange direction. Whats next, Atlanteans? "El Dorado" as a variant of the Incas? Will they add "Marco Polo" instead of Italians? FFS
The idea of variant civs is good but i really hope those names are just placeholders. AoE should stick using historically accurate names in my opinion.
well some of them are Jeanne d' Arc and order of the dragon are both real, instead of the empire of jade its called zhu xi's legacy and the last one is the ayyubids
So are these variant civs based on fantasy? Civ names like “Sultan’s army” or “Empire of Jade” doesn’t seem so historical-based for me. And although I am hype for the upcoming Japanese and Byzantine civilizations I have to say I don’t think I’d enjoy civs that are not based on history Still, great video as always! Thanks for giving us latest information!
Order of the dragon is definitly grounded, created by Sigismund of Luxemburg, hungarian king and later holy roman emperor. The Jade empire I guess you can refer to the Song dynasty, in whom the emperor proclaimed to be the Jade emperor. The thing is i can imagine unique units/landmarks for such factions. But Jeannes d'Arc.. what's going to be different besides having her as a hero I guess
@@mr.p215but this strays too much from the historicall accuracy that you break what makes aoe fun. Aoe is mostly fun because it gives a very accurate represantation for history with it's game mechanics.
I understand then doing variant civs just because of how out of control AoE2 got with so many civs. I'm worried about them focusing on hero units though. I don't want this to turn into Warcraft.
I am highly sceptical about the civ variants. If the screenshot from the HRE shows there variant, then we can assume how they will be build up. In the HRE Screenshot, every thing we see is already available for the regular HRE (beside the diffrent unit skins), we see the Meinwerk and the Burgravepalace, we also see the prelate and the landsknecht. Therefore, the variants will not play nor feel like entirely new civs. And thats realy bad in my oppinion, since the big selling point for AOE4 is that all the civs share the same foundations, like units, buildings, techs, but have strong unique additions build upon those foundations to diverse each civ from each other. Variant civs will share unique techs, units, landmarks and mostlikely also civ bonuses and mechanics from there original civ. Even if its only 50% the same, the variants will play and feel like there original. They state, "variants open up new strategies", so lets say the Order of the Dragon (HRE) will have stronger tools in fudal, but will be weaker in late game, maybe the Order of the Dragon dosent share the palace of swabia or something, who knows. With this in mind, There is one more negativ note to make, variant civs will take away changes the original civ could have/need. HRE despretly needs a change in fudal age, but if the Order of the Dragon will fill that roll, the devs might refuse to make changes aboute the original HRE.
I love the variant civ idea. My speculation is that it might be a way of giving us new content more regularly. If it takes a year to make 2 fully new civs with their own unique models, voice lines, and mechanics, then maybe we can get a variant civ every couple of months or so to tide us over until then
I like the idea of variants too, but I was hoping they were going to be representative of minor civilisations within civilisations. These ones feel a little too fantasy, especially with the use of wholly fictional flags. Why ‘Sultans Army’ instead of the Ayyubids? Why name a faction after Joan of Arc, which is still just 100 years war France? Why Empire or Jade (whoever they are)? Pretty sure the Order of the Dragon was just a chivalric honour in the HRE given to aristocracy and not equivalent to the Teutonic Order or the Templar’s. I would have much preferred something like the Kingdom of Burgundy as a sub-faction of France, the Teutonic Order as a sub faction of the HRE, the Golden Horde as a variant of the Mongols, or the Ayyubid Sultanate instead of the Abbasid.
I agree. It's scalable content that keeps the game fresh without the need of large investments that each civ demands. It's easy to forget how much work an additional civ takes in AoE4 compared to one in AoE2 for example.
@@sadaasdafa8635 I think there is a problem the devs are trying to avoid with naming them whole other civilisations, or making distinctions between "major" and "minor" civs, which is that a lot of people would feel like that's disrespectful representation of those historical cultures. Like, I imagine a lot of people would feel disappointed if the Ayyubid Dynasty was represented in AoE4 as just a near-clone of the Abbasid Dynasty. The devs already come under plenty of fire for historical representation when it comes to stuff like the Malians kinda being a mish-mash of Mali, Benin, Ghana, and some other African cultures of the time; or the Delhi Sultanate, a Muslim civ, being the sole representative of medieval India, a majority Hindu culture. Maybe they thought making the variants loosely based on internal factions of those civs was the safest choice. Not saying that's the choice I would've made, but I can understand the logic.
@@CloudCuckooCountrypeople should remember that at the end of the day this is a game. Gameplay over anything else must be written in the game development bible. If they want as accurate representation of something they should go read a history book.
@CloudCuckooCountry , the problem is if they correctly represent every civ it would be boring and hard to balance. Because throughout history mankind tends to takes the same footsteps. Which ultimately takes away the fantasy setting. I used to be a history teacher. So I have a excellent recall on middle ages, yet even I get bored when I see the things I already know.
The variant civ names are just horrible. I really agree with the others who criticise it. If Relic wont change it, we will have a bunch of civs that are named as King's army, Looter's army, Khan's army, Emir's army, Emperor's army etc At that point, AOEIV will lose a lot of player base.
Luckily that's not the real names, well jeanne d arc is and so is the order of the dragon as they both existed, its now the ayyubids and zhu xi's legacy
I mean they aren't proper names like english or chinese, but order of dragon and empire of jade are very cool sounding names@@yulfine1688and it makes sense they wouldn't be proper civilization names since they are variants
This feels like receiving hints from your dungeon master "huh this visual change shure looks relevant, I wonder what it could mean" :D I think you're doing a great job. While I love the addition of byzantine and japanese, I'm very confused about the civ variants. I was expecting to see "crusade versions" of French and HRE or local varieties for chinese, Delhi, Abbasids or rus. Now these sound more like ... command and conquer generals civ variants :D aka more focused versions of the civ under a charismatic leader. While sultans army is fairly inoffensive it's also not very informative. Empire of Jade sounds outright mythological... but does not really tell much beyond that. Order of the dragon also gives one that impression tho it could just be the romanian one, if rus would have been a better base civ for that was probably hotly debated.* And Jeanne d'arc ... really? Isnt that already the campaign? And how much could it diverge from the original? I'm honestly most confused about this one, especially as I was expecting it to be the templars or the kingdom of Jerusalem/outremer. Overall very weird, will have to see what is to come. The pricing is very competitive. Especially looking at developments over at total war. 😅 *It could also be a "Crusader Order"-civ with an odd name.
@@derkreuzritter6789 very on brand for you, derkreuzritter :D well played I mean, technically yes, but it wasnt really relevant to imperial politics especially after Siggy-big-hat died. So the bulk of it's relevancy was on the balkan and I'm very sure the devs won't make a "generic balkan civ" that's a variant of the HRE. Unless offcourse all community managers have mysteriously quid their job recently. I don't question it's veracity, If someone came and told me there was a "empire of Jade" I would be open to believe that as well, BUT I think it's an odd choice. Time will tell how they implement it and I'm confident it will make more sense than it does to me right now. but for now it sounds silly.
@@carlpult5235 I agree, if they wanted a monastic order I don't see why they wouldn't do something like the Livonian order, or one of the many orders that fought in the Crusades
well the other two factions are actually the ayyubids and zhu xi's legacy, order of the dragon did exist and jeanne d'arc is pretty obvious. As for templars and other orders well I do hope that later plays a role in another update where they only release maybe another faction or two and we pay 10$ for them or something.
ok the Order of the Dragon is nice and all but the Teutonic Order would have been better imho. i mean this expansion is called the sultan ascend and the teutonic order was founded in jerusalem. it would be fitting imo
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Gutted that the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem isn't a variant faction. However, it seems the Order of the Dragon could be a stand-in for it which is cool. Command and Conquer: Kane's Wrath added several faction variants back in the day and it worked brilliantly. I think the AoE team have done a great job adding variant factions. Can't wait to see how they play.
I’m hoping those variant names are placeholders for the real content. I was very excited when I heard about the variants but now I’m not excited at all.
Not liking it, if they were going to use same architecture and some share units, they could as well do it with a few changes (landmarks and heros) and make new civilizations like Spaniards, Venetians, etc.
The new factions look really cool, especially the Byzantines, but personally, I am not a fan of the idea of civ variants. Playing as small groups like "Jean D'Arc" instead of "France" or "the Sultan's Army" instead of the "Abbasids" makes the game feel smaller in scope. It doesn't feel like a battle between nations anymore, but a battle between tribes or regional groups. I would rather they put that energy into more unique and more significant civilizations.
Would've been much cooler if they made the variants similar kingdoms like France to Burgundy, Abbasids to Ayyubids, China to Korea, or Holy Roman to Teutonic Knights. Could've have a lot of similar units, while just changing a few things around. Instead, having factions like "Order of the Dragon" feel totally out of place, especially given that they have "hero" units???
I think Koreans could be standalone since they ultimately were their own entity, but as a variant of Chinese there's obvious comparisons like how the Nest Of Bees is more or less the same concept as the Korean Hwacha. However, dynasties and the units that come with them don't fit, plus the fact that they didn't have the access to gunpowder that China had until much later
Hey @Age of Noob! Thanks for the breakdown. This is super exciting about the variant Civs and hopefully points to more variant civs in the future! So overall how would you rate your experience so far with the new content out of 10? Note I said “Your Experince” and not the actual expansion as to not transgress the NDAs. Love the channel btw!❤
Thank you. :) I'd give it a 9/10. Maybe 8.5. There are things I personally didn't like - such as the naming of the civs (sounds weird to have Jeanne d'Arc vs Ottomans lol), and some other minor things I cannot talk about yet that can be adjusted later. But overall - very solid, and there's just so much content to go through once it's out.
@@AgeofNoob at least its not a french variant B, another RTS game that im not gonna name have that kind of naming sense. But i do agree order of dragons is a better variant name rather than a person name.
@@royasturias1784 By that point the Byzantines had lost virtually all of their territory besides Constantinople itself. The Ottomans were the ones who were exerting influence over the Bulgarian, Wallachian, and Moldavian territories. It was the Impaler's father, Vlad II, who was invited to the Order of the Dragon by Sigismund, then King of Hungary and later Emperor of the HRE, and that's where his sobriquet "Dracul" came from. So I think it's appropriate that the Order be represented as a side-faction of the HRE, and hopefully it includes Vlad II as a hero or some Wallachian-themed units.
I'll need to see more, but only Order of the Dragon sounds like a good name/civ variant concept. Kingdom of Bohemia might have been better, overall... The French should have had the Burgundians, and the Abassids could have been literally any other dynasty/caliphate. Jade Army and Sultan's Army sound so generic and fantastical. Why not just rework those civs with larger content but path building like in Age of Mythology?
I'm so hyped and so disappointed at the same time! Look at the names of those civ variants! Those are not civilization names!! Far from being empires. One big aspect of Age of Empires is the historic accuracy and those names are pure fantasy. I REALLY REALLY hope they change it for something more historic accurate.
What i love from AoE is they tried to stay truthful to the history. It must br very exciting for all the Muslims player out there. I hope there'll be some Christian focused campaign as well!
These names really are terrible. I was expecting the Fatimids or Ayyubids for the Abbasids, Kingdom of Jerusalem for the French, and Teutonic Knights for the HRE. Though, admittedly, I have no idea what I'd use as a Chinese one, considering their dynasties are built into their civ. Arguably Korea might've been a good fit.
I think the reason they didn’t go that direction was they’d still have to make new architecture and record voice lines to make it work. These variants are literally just gonna be used as a way to sell skins and maybe give us hero characters.
No way to be Korea, they don't get the landmarks, wonders, and dynasties. Unless they do 6 brand new landmarks and 1 new wonder for Korea, otherwise won't be possible, since Korea was a vassal state of China during that time, they can share our dynasties. But overall, this would be just insane and disrespect to both civs.
The info has been scattered throughout for some reason. Some info comes from the FAQ, some from the pre-order page of the Xbox store, and some from the official blog post. There are bits and pieces everywhere that I compiled all into this video.
great breakdown of the infos. thank you very much for your videos! iam really excited for the expansion, especially looking forward to japanese and the variants of the civs! price is really good for that amount of content we'll get. cant wait to play
Gg. Super complete, informing and relaxing video. And nice design skills also for flags (that’s what made me click the video as I had already read the announcement and watched beasty video)
I like that the new civs are being released the same way all other asymmetric online games are - If you don't purchase the DLC, you don't get to play the DLC.... But you still get to face off against them, so you are still getting more than base game.
I really love your contact even that I didn't play AOE IV ever cause of the game system requirements but I already have seen all of your awesome videos about this game! Thanks for being up-to date 🙃🥰
wait Jean D'arc , Sultans army those are not placeholders but actual name of the civs??? thats so stupid, I was guessing French variant would be crusader states and Abbassid variant would be Mamlukes or Ayubids... what a let down, I was going to pre-order it but now I will have to wait and see.. If those are just non-historic fictional civs then Ill wait until 50% discount
Agreed, I would be extremely disappointed if they made the templars on horses models in the one screenshot just for campaign. I want any of the three whether it's the tuentonic order, knights templar, knights hospitaller, or a Kingdom of Jerusalem type of variant civ
They are not fictional, they are based on real historical counterparts. It's just a bit weird they are based on historical characters instead of factions.
About Chinese Variant Civilization: It's obvious that it will be Western Liao Dynasty with characteristics from Northern Chinese dynasties such as Liao Dynasty, Jin Dynasty, Western Xia Dynasty. The name Jade is associated with the seal that those dynasties fought for. There was a big battle between muslim world and Western Liao Dynasty called the "Battle of Qatwan".
Could be somewhat possible, they start from Tang at the beginning as well, then Tang collapsed and became Liao instead of Song, then Yuan dynasty, ending in Ming dynasty. So they get aggressive units and heros in Feudal. But actually, I prefer ancient Chinese in earlier ages, such as Qin, Han, Jin, Sui/Tang, which is more unique and fun to play.
@@hieratics I don't mind catch all civs in general, but either way my point is just that regions/peoples that can have somewhat similar buildings and units are preferable to hero-named civs
I really hope there's a Welsh Civ in the future and would (begrudgingly accept it to be a variant of the English, though I'm not sure that's what they're going for with the variants.) But come onnnn the longbowmen are Welsh in origin, I'm mildly (not remotely supported with any sources) sure this is true.
@@Misierbobo kinda... a lot of civs in AOE2 are named after predecessors from the Roman era or the very early middle ages, so Britons are named after the Briton Celts that would indeed become the Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons. However in practicality and especially the campaign they're more like the English after the Anglo-Saxon and Norman invasions. Come to think of it, when we also have Celts, Teutons, Franks, Persians, Goths, Vikings, Huns, and units like the Skirmisher and quite a few of the uniques being very archaic, it does seem like they couldn't decide if AOE2 was going to actually be in a medieval setting or set during the Fall of Rome when these things still actually existed. Go figure the last DLC came full circle and just slapped the Romans in.
To me, variants are somehow 2 semi-civs on the common, main foundation. Those semi-civs share most of the buildings and units, especially visually but they are playing very differently. They have other strategies, build orders, and something extra, like landmarks, unique technologies, units, etc. It might be e.g. the main France semi-civ and in Jerusalem. IMO this is more than fair because we have something totally new at a good price and devs can do it for us without too much work.
I think this is how they will give us the Italians. The Civilization Main will be the Base Italians. But we will get Florence, Venice, Milan and the Papal States as Civilization Variants. Florence would focus on Technology and Siege. Venice would focus on Economy and Naval Milan would focus on Military and Resources And the Papal States would focus on Religion and Diplomacy. With a heavy base on Mercenaries (Unique Units you can recruit from allies. Giving you access to Unique Units of other Catholic Civilizations.) Of course it would be even more in-depth as each Civ Variant would also have 1 or 2 Unique Units of their own.
No word of better animation and physics and another big issue : game hogging GPU and CPU like there is no tomorrow!!! New content but, no fixes to the old issues and no improvement to graphic. So... 15.99 $ is fair for the amount of new content but, way too much if they didn't fix the almost nonexistent animation, physics and the 2014 textures.
Honestly, while I admire the use of a variant of particular countries, the names of the groups are inconsistent. Joan of Arc was a person's name while the rest are group names. I would rather that they just added new civs instead by taking some from the older AOE games. I mean, the Byzantines and Japanese were civs from the old games, so why change something that wasn't broken in the first place?
Are the devs so out of touch? Like the core playerbase is hungry for historical accuracy( i know that it's not possible to reach a 100% accuracy, but at least as much as possible..?) and yet they continue to bring fantasy in this game without anyone asking..? Remember season 4? Even if they change the names with new ones, they will still be not matched with the mechanics and units they already implemented for the variant civs! Jeanne d'Arc is such a cliche for France, something different would've been desired more, like Duchy of Burgundy for example..
I don't know about this. The variant civs idea is fine, but wtf are those names...also the DLC is titled "Sultan's Rising" yet no new Muslim-based civ. We get Japan and an Christian civ instead. Hahaha Relic what is going on
The historical Order of the Dragon was founded in 1408 against the Ottomans. I wonder does this meant that we might have Ottomans in the Crusade campaign as well, not just Abbasids...
The characters in this game act like they have epilepsy. They wave their swords as if they were made of cardboard. In addition, there is no blood and the body disappears literally after a few seconds. Poorly. Campaigns are boring and repetitive. Where are the old RTS games? Slow down the movements of these units because it currently looks grotesque. There is no realism. AoE part 3 looks better than 4.
I must say that those variant names are lame. I expected proper holy orders and seljuks(Ottoman variant) - Ayyubis(Abbasid variant) but thats not the case unfortunately.
The right name of the byzantine empire is Eastern Roman Empire. Citizens of the Eastern Roman Empire considered themselves as Romans and not Byzantines. French historians gave the name "byzantines" because in the place that Constantinople builded, there was the ancient city of Byzantium. Eastern Roman Empire is not related to the city of Byzantium. Glory to my ancestors!
Where are the Koreans? During medieval era, Korea was more improtant than every single one of those civilizations except for Chinese and Mongols. THe Kingdom of Korea was the 2nd most powerful and advanced country in the entire world.
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you can say what you want. but we will rant about only 1 campaign. there could be 4 civs and 2 campaigns. everyone knows that would be better for community.
@@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961 you know this is a step towards more incoming variant possibly. no more unique civs. just 1 in a year probably. i like 4 variants for now.
@@marjimanrts I'd rather rant about how AoE 4 does campaigns. The reason AoE 4 gets fewer campaigns is cos there's more production value invested into each one. That sounds like a good thing but it's not. It results in things like expansions having fewer campaigns but also in the custom campaign scene for the game being pitiable compared to the massive plethora of custom content for AoE 2, or even AoE 1. Cos it's much easier to make comparable custom content for those games than for AoE 4. Meanwhile the higher investment doesn't result in better actual gameplay in the campaign scenarios, as most of it seems to spent on presentation and other ancillary stuff rather than more interesting scenarios.
bro i play empire earth 1 to 3. age is old
3:26 Are you an Arab? You have pronounced the Arabic letters correctly
I always appreciate someone who pronounces words and names in the way they are pronounced in their native language
Yep, that was kinda impressive
He nailed them so well that I am sure Arabic is his mother tongue. 3:21
100% he is arabic (I am too)
@@Achab93 He's Turkish but it's not too hard for Turks to grasp the Arabic names, as we use them quite similarly. He may have some Arabic ancestry or Quranic education too.
@@uckuzu Could be that too.
15$ For this much contents ? Creative Assembly gotta take note on how to actually sell DLC.
CA: Wait…. You’re less greedy than me?!
Microsoft: Ya…. Wow.
Everything revealed so far looks so amazing except the names of the Civ variants. I was hoping it was a mistake or placeholder but seeing them in your video it looks like they’re confirmed 😢. Sultan’s Army is too generic, Joan of Arc is a person not a civ, and Empire of Jade is either made up or very obscure. Order of the Dragon is ok but a little weird of a choice given it was far less impactful than the other Military Religious orders.
I do agree with you on this one - I also don't like the names and raised this when I first found out about it weeks ago. The names do feel weird, but I suppose we get used to it quickly. :)
yeah those names suck.....teutonic order, duchy of borgogne, sultanate of egypt or mamluk sultanate should be be better.....empire of jade is better but it's obiscure for me too.....btw new content is always welcome
@@ceppatore7483 Great ideas, I agree with you. The names are totally inconsistent for reasons as stated by @alex8404, which is rather off-putting.
@@BenjinWS it's unhistorical to use Jeanne d'Arc Civ starting in dark age.....Jeanne d'Arc died in 1431 at 19 years old at the end of 100 years war between england and france.....i know ir'a videogame but who know a bit of history start laughing
Rest assured there will be four reworked civilizations + 2 new ones.
I know I’m being a nerd, but I just wish they use historical names for the ‘variant civs’, like the Teutonic Order, the Knights Hospitaller, the Egyptian State (Fatimid, Ayyubid, Mameluke). AoE4 presents the civs as political entities and it’s better to stick with that.
They are historic but grounded empire
Agreed the names are very disappointing. Surprising given how much effort they’ve put in to accurately represent the civs already in game.
@@dennisbergkamp1553 The Sultan's Army is ok, the others feel strange in skirmish mod.
The Order of the Dragon was a real Crusader faction, Jeanne D'Arc and Sultan's Army are self-explanatory, but Empire of Jade just sounds like another name for China.
@@BogatyrLincoln I’d rather wait longer for real political entities
I will be completely honest, I have not had hardly any of the normal gripes that other players have with this expansion, I don't care that were are only getting 2 full new civs, I don't care that we are only getting 1 new campaign, I have largely been extremely hyped and seeing the teaser made me super excited for this expansion 10/10.
But the variant civ names? Are AWFUL. A huge selling point for AoE4 for me was the historical campaigns and immersion of playing real kingdoms/cultures. Does that mean I expect it to be perfect? No. Its a video game. But I do expect it to be in line with how they advertised it, and at the very LEAST, I expect it to be CONSISTENT. These variant civs, if they are named the way listed above. Are FAR from consistent, they don't even sound like civilizations at all, it raises all sorts of awkward thematic questions in regards to how these will be labeled in loading screens compared to OG civs, are we even fighting civilizations anymore? Or just fantastical historical heroes and their armies? Jeanne d'Arc vs the Japanese? It sounds like a complete and utter fucking joke. I take immersion very seriously. As I said, it doesn't need to be perfect, but it does need to be consistent, and this is very inconsistent, awkward, and poorly planned. Even if they showed up like normal civs, and not variants, the bad naming conventions will be an eyesore to anyone opening the civ selection menu.
The good news is, that this could all be fixed if they just changed the names of the variants. It sounds simple, but names and titles and stuff do matter a lot. I found this thread on the AoE4 forums: forums.ageofempires.com/t/poll-should-the-variant-civilization-names-change/239487 where if anyone else is discontent with the new names as well, they can voice their concerns.
Sorry to rant in the comments of your video Age of Noob, rest of the expansion looks great, and your coverage of it is as always, extremely good. You are just the first one to call the variants out by name, and its super disappointing to hear them called the way they are.
I hear you loud and clear my friend, and I agree. 11
I raised this issue with them internally myself, but things like these are decided many months in advance, so there's nothing my sole feedback will accomplish at that point.
If the backlash to the names is large enough (and it kinda seems like it's getting there), they might end up changing the names. It's easy enough to do before launch. And I hope they do because I agree that the names overall are all over the place. And not just the new variants either.
Delhi Sultanate/Abbasid Dynasty vs just "Ottomans" for example. Why not Ottoman Empire? Civ names overall have never been consistent, and the variants just made it worse for sure.
@@AgeofNoob I have been spearheading the effort as much as I can to get the names changed on reddit, discord, and the forums. I think across your poll, the reddit poll, and the forums poll, we have largely stabilized in percentages. Roughly 40% don't like it on your community (Unsure why the people who like it are actually as high as they are compared to other communities, but the dislike/hate category is still the largest). On reddit over 80% demand at least a partial change if not full change, and on the forums 90% want to see the variant names changed. I have collected all the statistics and tagged you on twitter so you can see them.
While only a small number are vocally protesting (And another small number are vocally anti-protesting), almost no one in the comments section of either reddit, discord, or the forums, have expressed actually preferring the current names over more historically accurate ones, the main concerns seem to simply be that "Complaining about names is stupid, You protesters are going to scare the devs away from developing, History and thematics don't matter so long as the game plays good, or Malders gonna mald and if not about this doom posters would find something else in the expansion to doom post about".
None of these are good faith arguments, much less valid and constructive ones.
Its frustrating, but I know this isn't going to get fixed overnight, and the forums of every game community are often filled with chaotic trolls. All we can do is be persistent and clear. Still hyped for everything else in the expansion, but the names really gotta change.
@@xefjord You're doing good work dude :) I simply don't have the time or energy to waste on the effort to have our opinions heard by the devs, but I'll upvote anything in this direction that I come across.
This change in theme baffles me. Fortunatelly, 'jeanne d'arc' and 'sultans army' can easily be fixed by a simple renaming. I don't know that to make out of "empire of jade".
My main issue is that a new civ in age IV takes a lot more work than a new civ in age II, in the old game you just take an existing architecture, code in a new set of bonuses, add 1-2 unique units and call it a day. In age IV we will have a lot less civs, so this 'waste of civ slots' in ridiculous choices like "jeanne Darc" makes me worried that they are taking the game in a strange direction. Whats next, Atlanteans? "El Dorado" as a variant of the Incas? Will they add "Marco Polo" instead of Italians? FFS
Are those names? Variant civs I assumed were things like Crusader variants of the Franks, or a Hanseatic league for the HRE, not... Whatever this is.
I too, because the aoe 4 teaser 0:14...
The idea of variant civs is good but i really hope those names are just placeholders. AoE should stick using historically accurate names in my opinion.
well some of them are Jeanne d' Arc and order of the dragon are both real, instead of the empire of jade its called zhu xi's legacy and the last one is the ayyubids
Great work!
I hope these variants “names” are all just placeholders ;)
So are these variant civs based on fantasy? Civ names like “Sultan’s army” or “Empire of Jade” doesn’t seem so historical-based for me. And although I am hype for the upcoming Japanese and Byzantine civilizations I have to say I don’t think I’d enjoy civs that are not based on history
Still, great video as always! Thanks for giving us latest information!
No, they're grounded like the other civilizations. It's tough to explain without breaking the NDA.. :D
Order of the dragon is definitly grounded, created by Sigismund of Luxemburg, hungarian king and later holy roman emperor.
The Jade empire I guess you can refer to the Song dynasty, in whom the emperor proclaimed to be the Jade emperor.
The thing is i can imagine unique units/landmarks for such factions. But Jeannes d'Arc.. what's going to be different besides having her as a hero I guess
do remember this is a game above all else, gameplay should be enjoyable before accuracy and such things.
Baguette Empire, Octoberfest Lovers, Camel Orde and Maoist Communists are the next new names
@@mr.p215but this strays too much from the historicall accuracy that you break what makes aoe fun. Aoe is mostly fun because it gives a very accurate represantation for history with it's game mechanics.
good freaking work on those Arabic names btw, always love it when people do that stuff
Cheers 👍🏻
Part of them are actually Turkic
@@AaronRohan I love Arabic language
@@alkrimiy I assumed some of them weren't Arabic but I had no idea what the right umbrella term would've been, good to know
I understand then doing variant civs just because of how out of control AoE2 got with so many civs.
I'm worried about them focusing on hero units though. I don't want this to turn into Warcraft.
I am highly sceptical about the civ variants. If the screenshot from the HRE shows there variant, then we can assume how they will be build up. In the HRE Screenshot, every thing we see is already available for the regular HRE (beside the diffrent unit skins), we see the Meinwerk and the Burgravepalace, we also see the prelate and the landsknecht.
Therefore, the variants will not play nor feel like entirely new civs.
And thats realy bad in my oppinion, since the big selling point for AOE4 is that all the civs share the same foundations, like units, buildings, techs, but have strong unique additions build upon those foundations to diverse each civ from each other. Variant civs will share unique techs, units, landmarks and mostlikely also civ bonuses and mechanics from there original civ. Even if its only 50% the same, the variants will play and feel like there original. They state, "variants open up new strategies", so lets say the Order of the Dragon (HRE) will have stronger tools in fudal, but will be weaker in late game, maybe the Order of the Dragon dosent share the palace of swabia or something, who knows.
With this in mind, There is one more negativ note to make, variant civs will take away changes the original civ could have/need. HRE despretly needs a change in fudal age, but if the Order of the Dragon will fill that roll, the devs might refuse to make changes aboute the original HRE.
I love the variant civ idea. My speculation is that it might be a way of giving us new content more regularly. If it takes a year to make 2 fully new civs with their own unique models, voice lines, and mechanics, then maybe we can get a variant civ every couple of months or so to tide us over until then
I like the idea of variants too, but I was hoping they were going to be representative of minor civilisations within civilisations. These ones feel a little too fantasy, especially with the use of wholly fictional flags. Why ‘Sultans Army’ instead of the Ayyubids? Why name a faction after Joan of Arc, which is still just 100 years war France? Why Empire or Jade (whoever they are)? Pretty sure the Order of the Dragon was just a chivalric honour in the HRE given to aristocracy and not equivalent to the Teutonic Order or the Templar’s.
I would have much preferred something like the Kingdom of Burgundy as a sub-faction of France, the Teutonic Order as a sub faction of the HRE, the Golden Horde as a variant of the Mongols, or the Ayyubid Sultanate instead of the Abbasid.
I agree. It's scalable content that keeps the game fresh without the need of large investments that each civ demands. It's easy to forget how much work an additional civ takes in AoE4 compared to one in AoE2 for example.
@@sadaasdafa8635 I think there is a problem the devs are trying to avoid with naming them whole other civilisations, or making distinctions between "major" and "minor" civs, which is that a lot of people would feel like that's disrespectful representation of those historical cultures. Like, I imagine a lot of people would feel disappointed if the Ayyubid Dynasty was represented in AoE4 as just a near-clone of the Abbasid Dynasty. The devs already come under plenty of fire for historical representation when it comes to stuff like the Malians kinda being a mish-mash of Mali, Benin, Ghana, and some other African cultures of the time; or the Delhi Sultanate, a Muslim civ, being the sole representative of medieval India, a majority Hindu culture. Maybe they thought making the variants loosely based on internal factions of those civs was the safest choice. Not saying that's the choice I would've made, but I can understand the logic.
@@CloudCuckooCountrypeople should remember that at the end of the day this is a game. Gameplay over anything else must be written in the game development bible. If they want as accurate representation of something they should go read a history book.
@CloudCuckooCountry , the problem is if they correctly represent every civ it would be boring and hard to balance. Because throughout history mankind tends to takes the same footsteps. Which ultimately takes away the fantasy setting. I used to be a history teacher. So I have a excellent recall on middle ages, yet even I get bored when I see the things I already know.
The variant civs were announced? I didn't see the names for them until now. Not what I expected, but cool nonetheless
Weirdly enough, they were quietly added to the description of the DLC in the Xbox store.
The variant civ names are just horrible.
I really agree with the others who criticise it.
If Relic wont change it, we will have a bunch of civs that are named as King's army, Looter's army, Khan's army, Emir's army, Emperor's army etc
At that point, AOEIV will lose a lot of player base.
Luckily that's not the real names, well jeanne d arc is and so is the order of the dragon as they both existed, its now the ayyubids and zhu xi's legacy
I mean they aren't proper names like english or chinese, but order of dragon and empire of jade are very cool sounding names@@yulfine1688and it makes sense they wouldn't be proper civilization names since they are variants
This feels like receiving hints from your dungeon master "huh this visual change shure looks relevant, I wonder what it could mean" :D I think you're doing a great job.
While I love the addition of byzantine and japanese, I'm very confused about the civ variants. I was expecting to see "crusade versions" of French and HRE or local varieties for chinese, Delhi, Abbasids or rus. Now these sound more like ... command and conquer generals civ variants :D aka more focused versions of the civ under a charismatic leader. While sultans army is fairly inoffensive it's also not very informative. Empire of Jade sounds outright mythological... but does not really tell much beyond that. Order of the dragon also gives one that impression tho it could just be the romanian one, if rus would have been a better base civ for that was probably hotly debated.* And Jeanne d'arc ... really? Isnt that already the campaign? And how much could it diverge from the original? I'm honestly most confused about this one, especially as I was expecting it to be the templars or the kingdom of Jerusalem/outremer. Overall very weird, will have to see what is to come.
The pricing is very competitive. Especially looking at developments over at total war. 😅
*It could also be a "Crusader Order"-civ with an odd name.
The Order of the Dragon was a real order for the high up Nobility of Europe, created by Sigismund of Luxembourg who later became Emperor of the HRE
@@derkreuzritter6789 very on brand for you, derkreuzritter :D well played
I mean, technically yes, but it wasnt really relevant to imperial politics especially after Siggy-big-hat died. So the bulk of it's relevancy was on the balkan and I'm very sure the devs won't make a "generic balkan civ" that's a variant of the HRE. Unless offcourse all community managers have mysteriously quid their job recently. I don't question it's veracity, If someone came and told me there was a "empire of Jade" I would be open to believe that as well, BUT I think it's an odd choice. Time will tell how they implement it and I'm confident it will make more sense than it does to me right now. but for now it sounds silly.
@@carlpult5235 I agree, if they wanted a monastic order I don't see why they wouldn't do something like the Livonian order, or one of the many orders that fought in the Crusades
well the other two factions are actually the ayyubids and zhu xi's legacy, order of the dragon did exist and jeanne d'arc is pretty obvious. As for templars and other orders well I do hope that later plays a role in another update where they only release maybe another faction or two and we pay 10$ for them or something.
I came for age of noob.
I left with Age of mindblown
The civ naming is horrendously, inconsistent with the current naming convention.
Elated with the DLC and what is being showed.
ok the Order of the Dragon is nice and all but the Teutonic Order would have been better imho. i mean this expansion is called the sultan ascend and the teutonic order was founded in jerusalem. it would be fitting imo
Do you work in the test team or dev team or something related? Cause is amazing how much stuff you can bring up everytime. Plus your videos are both interesting and calming at the same time it's like i am watching a doc. on youtube. Keep up the amazing work!
Indeed, I am an insider who was granted early access. That said, we are very limited to what we can share to the public. And thanks!
@@AgeofNoob Good info video. Well if you insider you can tell us if the animation and physics is better or not. Or you can't share that either
The price is insane. I was fully expecting it to be $40 AUD, which would equate to about $30 USD.
It's Rp 199,000, equate to $12.98 USD
only INR 899 in india equals to 10.80 USD
Gutted that the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem isn't a variant faction. However, it seems the Order of the Dragon could be a stand-in for it which is cool. Command and Conquer: Kane's Wrath added several faction variants back in the day and it worked brilliantly. I think the AoE team have done a great job adding variant factions. Can't wait to see how they play.
Wont be surprised if another DLC comes out with variants of the Franc kingdom during crusaders time... who knows
Some of the names sound like some fantasy games... quite a turnoff tbh. But I'm still very grateful for what the dev are doing.
I find the variants wired. I think it would have been better to have new civs instead.
I’m hype, but I hope those variant names are placeholders.
I’m hoping those variant names are placeholders for the real content. I was very excited when I heard about the variants but now I’m not excited at all.
dude niiiice video. i hope you get monetized again
Thank you. :) I was thankfully remonetized a while ago :) Some concessions had to be made, but we're at least back on track.
Long time no siege
Not liking it, if they were going to use same architecture and some share units, they could as well do it with a few changes (landmarks and heros) and make new civilizations like Spaniards, Venetians, etc.
15 dollars?? huh CA could learn a few things from microsoft about gaming and pricing.
3:20
what a good pronunciation here my friend.
3:22 I was suprised how accurate you mentioned the name haha, great video.
The new factions look really cool, especially the Byzantines, but personally, I am not a fan of the idea of civ variants. Playing as small groups like "Jean D'Arc" instead of "France" or "the Sultan's Army" instead of the "Abbasids" makes the game feel smaller in scope. It doesn't feel like a battle between nations anymore, but a battle between tribes or regional groups. I would rather they put that energy into more unique and more significant civilizations.
Would've been much cooler if they made the variants similar kingdoms like France to Burgundy, Abbasids to Ayyubids, China to Korea, or Holy Roman to Teutonic Knights. Could've have a lot of similar units, while just changing a few things around. Instead, having factions like "Order of the Dragon" feel totally out of place, especially given that they have "hero" units???
@@andreicristian9575Americans and Morrocans are pushing it WAY too far out of the timeline, but I can see Swiss and Kievan Rus working as variants.
I think Koreans could be standalone since they ultimately were their own entity, but as a variant of Chinese there's obvious comparisons like how the Nest Of Bees is more or less the same concept as the Korean Hwacha. However, dynasties and the units that come with them don't fit, plus the fact that they didn't have the access to gunpowder that China had until much later
Seems that the golden age of AoE4 is coming!
Hey @Age of Noob! Thanks for the breakdown. This is super exciting about the variant Civs and hopefully points to more variant civs in the future!
So overall how would you rate your experience so far with the new content out of 10? Note I said “Your Experince” and not the actual expansion as to not transgress the NDAs.
Love the channel btw!❤
Thank you. :) I'd give it a 9/10. Maybe 8.5. There are things I personally didn't like - such as the naming of the civs (sounds weird to have Jeanne d'Arc vs Ottomans lol), and some other minor things I cannot talk about yet that can be adjusted later. But overall - very solid, and there's just so much content to go through once it's out.
I am ok with naming, it opens way more possibilities for the MP, and factions designs@@AgeofNoob
@@AgeofNoob at least its not a french variant B, another RTS game that im not gonna name have that kind of naming sense. But i do agree order of dragons is a better variant name rather than a person name.
@@AgeofNoob I hope they change the name of the Jeanne d'Arc faction, I thought that was horrible.
@@categoricall Like Chevaliers de Guerre?
If the Order of the Dragon is indeed the same order as that which Vlad Dracul was historically part of, then I'm pretty excited.
Vlad "The Impaler" Tepes' home of Wallachia was more Byzantine-adjacent.
@@royasturias1784 By that point the Byzantines had lost virtually all of their territory besides Constantinople itself. The Ottomans were the ones who were exerting influence over the Bulgarian, Wallachian, and Moldavian territories. It was the Impaler's father, Vlad II, who was invited to the Order of the Dragon by Sigismund, then King of Hungary and later Emperor of the HRE, and that's where his sobriquet "Dracul" came from. So I think it's appropriate that the Order be represented as a side-faction of the HRE, and hopefully it includes Vlad II as a hero or some Wallachian-themed units.
At lease give us a siege of constantinople
I'll need to see more, but only Order of the Dragon sounds like a good name/civ variant concept. Kingdom of Bohemia might have been better, overall...
The French should have had the Burgundians, and the Abassids could have been literally any other dynasty/caliphate.
Jade Army and Sultan's Army sound so generic and fantastical. Why not just rework those civs with larger content but path building like in Age of Mythology?
VERY BAD IDEA....why create variants while you can create full new civilizations? LAZY
I'm so hyped and so disappointed at the same time! Look at the names of those civ variants! Those are not civilization names!! Far from being empires. One big aspect of Age of Empires is the historic accuracy and those names are pure fantasy. I REALLY REALLY hope they change it for something more historic accurate.
You're arabic pronounciation is crazy
I'm realizing you're probably just Arabic because you knew they whole names and titles
What i love from AoE is they tried to stay truthful to the history. It must br very exciting for all the Muslims player out there. I hope there'll be some Christian focused campaign as well!
your arabic pronunciation is amazing 👍
I was so surprised!!! 😂
He has Turkish roots so maybe this helps a bit
Not really, I have Turkish roots and learned Arabic but have trouble pronouncing most of it 😢
@latifevrak it's very true because Arabic language has some really hard letters like ح and ع which are very hard to pronounce for non-semtic languages
I just dont understand why the graphics feel like a 2013 game. Why did they do this?
Salam Alaykum and Arigato go zaimasu
These names really are terrible. I was expecting the Fatimids or Ayyubids for the Abbasids, Kingdom of Jerusalem for the French, and Teutonic Knights for the HRE. Though, admittedly, I have no idea what I'd use as a Chinese one, considering their dynasties are built into their civ. Arguably Korea might've been a good fit.
I think the reason they didn’t go that direction was they’d still have to make new architecture and record voice lines to make it work. These variants are literally just gonna be used as a way to sell skins and maybe give us hero characters.
No way to be Korea, they don't get the landmarks, wonders, and dynasties. Unless they do 6 brand new landmarks and 1 new wonder for Korea, otherwise won't be possible, since Korea was a vassal state of China during that time, they can share our dynasties. But overall, this would be just insane and disrespect to both civs.
Thanks Age of Noob! First channel I saw to have concrete information on the variant civs
This is looking great, I'm so excited! Thanks for the content!
BTW: What's with your top-level arabic pronunciation?? wow!
@@ArcangeldelFuego You're welcome. :) And I learned to speak fluent Arabic. :)
The Variant Army information, where does it come from?
The info has been scattered throughout for some reason. Some info comes from the FAQ, some from the pre-order page of the Xbox store, and some from the official blog post. There are bits and pieces everywhere that I compiled all into this video.
For me the problem is the game was released in alpha state and was never addressed
I knew the byzantines where on its way, my fav civ
this game is just worse than AoE2 in every way
Your pronunciation of those Arabic/Turkic/Urdu names is impeccable. Do you happen to have studied Arabic or be an Arab?! Just curious.
Indeed, I speak fluent Arabic. :)
If we have anniversary edition can we play with new civs?
Age of noob killing it with the pronunciation
Not sure how I feel about variants, but I do know I love the rest!
great breakdown of the infos. thank you very much for your videos! iam really excited for the expansion, especially looking forward to japanese and the variants of the civs! price is really good for that amount of content we'll get. cant wait to play
Are you Arab? because if not, i'm very very impressed by how you pronounced the names properly at 3:12!
Thanks! I'm not but I learned to speak Arabic fluently.
Can't wait to play these new civilizations.
By the way, great pronunciation for the Muslim leaders' names :D
Please tell me those are not the real names.
OMG STRONGHOLD CRUSADER MUSIC
I was impressed by how you pronounced those Arabic names!
+1!
Campaing as muslim? No thanks, i wanted to play as the Crusaders.
But they lost miserably
مرحبمبك يا سيدي :)
Gg. Super complete, informing and relaxing video. And nice design skills also for flags (that’s what made me click the video as I had already read the announcement and watched beasty video)
Your reviews are great!!
I like that the new civs are being released the same way all other asymmetric online games are - If you don't purchase the DLC, you don't get to play the DLC....
But you still get to face off against them, so you are still getting more than base game.
this is true for the other aoes so not really surprising
i know youre Turkish but your Arabic pronunciation is 100%, you amaze me everytime
I really love your contact even that I didn't play AOE IV ever cause of the game system requirements but I already have seen all of your awesome videos about this game! Thanks for being up-to date 🙃🥰
wait Jean D'arc , Sultans army those are not placeholders but actual name of the civs??? thats so stupid, I was guessing French variant would be crusader states and Abbassid variant would be Mamlukes or Ayubids... what a let down, I was going to pre-order it but now I will have to wait and see.. If those are just non-historic fictional civs then Ill wait until 50% discount
Agreed, I would be extremely disappointed if they made the templars on horses models in the one screenshot just for campaign. I want any of the three whether it's the tuentonic order, knights templar, knights hospitaller, or a Kingdom of Jerusalem type of variant civ
They are not fictional, they are based on real historical counterparts.
It's just a bit weird they are based on historical characters instead of factions.
@@olegdragora2557 didn't know there was an entire civilization named jeand'arc and zen empire
@@mayazmahmud1740 Didn't know you would resort to moving the goalposts.
I think is the first Time i see order of the dragon on a videogame. 🤔
ayo bro are you arabic?
About Chinese Variant Civilization: It's obvious that it will be Western Liao Dynasty with characteristics from Northern Chinese dynasties such as Liao Dynasty, Jin Dynasty, Western Xia Dynasty. The name Jade is associated with the seal that those dynasties fought for. There was a big battle between muslim world and Western Liao Dynasty called the "Battle of Qatwan".
Could be somewhat possible, they start from Tang at the beginning as well, then Tang collapsed and became Liao instead of Song, then Yuan dynasty, ending in Ming dynasty. So they get aggressive units and heros in Feudal. But actually, I prefer ancient Chinese in earlier ages, such as Qin, Han, Jin, Sui/Tang, which is more unique and fun to play.
3:00 Stronghold Crusader theme intensifies. Literally.
Kind of wish variants were regional. Like Celts could use similar units to English, with some differences, but overall this expansion looks great
Celts? Please, we should have proper Brittany, Scotland, Ireland and Wales not a generic catch all civ
@@hieratics I don't mind catch all civs in general, but either way my point is just that regions/peoples that can have somewhat similar buildings and units are preferable to hero-named civs
I really hope there's a Welsh Civ in the future and would (begrudgingly accept it to be a variant of the English, though I'm not sure that's what they're going for with the variants.) But come onnnn the longbowmen are Welsh in origin, I'm mildly (not remotely supported with any sources) sure this is true.
Weren't the Britons in aoe2 based on the Welsh?
@@Misierbobo kinda... a lot of civs in AOE2 are named after predecessors from the Roman era or the very early middle ages, so Britons are named after the Briton Celts that would indeed become the Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons. However in practicality and especially the campaign they're more like the English after the Anglo-Saxon and Norman invasions.
Come to think of it, when we also have Celts, Teutons, Franks, Persians, Goths, Vikings, Huns, and units like the Skirmisher and quite a few of the uniques being very archaic, it does seem like they couldn't decide if AOE2 was going to actually be in a medieval setting or set during the Fall of Rome when these things still actually existed. Go figure the last DLC came full circle and just slapped the Romans in.
very glad to know the variant civs are NOT only skins :D
Hey, do we kniw a release date for the DLC ?
November 14th.
To me, variants are somehow 2 semi-civs on the common, main foundation. Those semi-civs share most of the buildings and units, especially visually but they are playing very differently. They have other strategies, build orders, and something extra, like landmarks, unique technologies, units, etc.
It might be e.g. the main France semi-civ and in Jerusalem. IMO this is more than fair because we have something totally new at a good price and devs can do it for us without too much work.
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Hot damn that pronounciation❤
We get to play as The Lion of Ain Jalut, Baybars and Saladin!?!??!?! Alhamdulillah!!!!
I think this is how they will give us the Italians.
The Civilization Main will be the Base Italians.
But we will get Florence, Venice, Milan and the Papal States as Civilization Variants.
Florence would focus on Technology and Siege.
Venice would focus on Economy and Naval
Milan would focus on Military and Resources
And the Papal States would focus on Religion and Diplomacy. With a heavy base on Mercenaries (Unique Units you can recruit from allies. Giving you access to Unique Units of other Catholic Civilizations.)
Of course it would be even more in-depth as each Civ Variant would also have 1 or 2 Unique Units of their own.
No word of better animation and physics and another big issue : game hogging GPU and CPU like there is no tomorrow!!! New content but, no fixes to the old issues and no improvement to graphic.
So... 15.99 $ is fair for the amount of new content but, way too much if they didn't fix the almost nonexistent animation, physics and the 2014 textures.
Honestly, while I admire the use of a variant of particular countries, the names of the groups are inconsistent. Joan of Arc was a person's name while the rest are group names. I would rather that they just added new civs instead by taking some from the older AOE games. I mean, the Byzantines and Japanese were civs from the old games, so why change something that wasn't broken in the first place?
Compare the price of this DLC to contemporary RTS DLCs, like paradox and creative assembly. WOW this is good value (promise I'm not a bot)
Are the devs so out of touch? Like the core playerbase is hungry for historical accuracy( i know that it's not possible to reach a 100% accuracy, but at least as much as possible..?) and yet they continue to bring fantasy in this game without anyone asking..? Remember season 4? Even if they change the names with new ones, they will still be not matched with the mechanics and units they already implemented for the variant civs! Jeanne d'Arc is such a cliche for France, something different would've been desired more, like Duchy of Burgundy for example..
:O 15 dollars for so much content ! wow coming from warhammer 3 total war I am amazed ... I was expecting 40 ... wow ...
I don't know about this. The variant civs idea is fine, but wtf are those names...also the DLC is titled "Sultan's Rising" yet no new Muslim-based civ. We get Japan and an Christian civ instead. Hahaha Relic what is going on
What is the dragon bullshit for the HRE? And jean of arc? Is literally france but with jean of arc? Lmao, where the templars
Only few people will recognize the sound track you used while explaining the campaign, stronghold crusader.
The historical Order of the Dragon was founded in 1408 against the Ottomans. I wonder does this meant that we might have Ottomans in the Crusade campaign as well, not just Abbasids...
The characters in this game act like they have epilepsy. They wave their swords as if they were made of cardboard.
In addition, there is no blood and the body disappears literally after a few seconds. Poorly. Campaigns are boring and repetitive. Where are the old RTS games? Slow down the movements of these units because it currently looks grotesque. There is no realism. AoE part 3 looks better than 4.
I must say that those variant names are lame. I expected proper holy orders and seljuks(Ottoman variant) - Ayyubis(Abbasid variant) but thats not the case unfortunately.
Should have malay empire in Aoe4,greatest malacca empire history war against portugis and british
The right name of the byzantine empire is Eastern Roman Empire. Citizens of the Eastern Roman Empire considered themselves as Romans and not Byzantines. French historians gave the name "byzantines" because in the place that Constantinople builded, there was the ancient city of Byzantium. Eastern Roman Empire is not related to the city of Byzantium. Glory to my ancestors!
Where are the Koreans? During medieval era, Korea was more improtant than every single one of those civilizations except for Chinese and Mongols. THe Kingdom of Korea was the 2nd most powerful and advanced country in the entire world.
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