I'm sticking with my headcanon of "The Force is forgotten supertechnology in the form of a galaxy-spanning nanobot hivemind that the galaxy's current life can't fully interface with.", it makes too much sense. Some ancient race figured out reality and then left the galaxy to do other things, accidentally leaving their wifi on, which a bunch of random life then evolved bathed in.
The theory certainly has merit; however, I doubt it's some lost ancient technology. Instead, I think it's more akin to the Precursor's Neural Physics, which is based on the idea that the Universe is alive. At some point, the Precursors an ancient, immortal species seemed to have discovered a way to manipulate it to such an extent that they had almost complete control over reality. It's possible that some other species came across something similar. However, as I mentioned, the technology route doesn’t seem viable. In the Legends material, the Force isn't restricted to just the Skyriver Galaxy; it spans the entire Universe and reaches into different dimensions and possibly other universes. There are old lore references to entities that could use the Force, which came from different dimensions and other galaxies, indicating that many species understood and could wield it. Additionally, Chaos, which is the Star Wars version of Hell, exists. Unless some ancient species somehow created an afterlife and managed to disseminate this technology throughout reality, the technology route seems unlikely. Returning to the Precursor concept, it could be possible that some species, like the Precursors, were among the first to come into existence. Much like the Precursors from Halo, they may have seeded the Universe with life, including the Skyriver Galaxy. They likely created the Force or utilized some pre-existing concept to develop the Force, various species, souls, and so on. In a way, you could argue that this was their form of technology or science. For those wondering why I don’t simply say that God exists in the Star Wars universe or something similar: while I may be religious, I prefer not to impose religious beliefs onto a fictional universe, as not many people appreciate that kind of discussion. Quick Edit: I am aware that The Celestials exist however we know next to nothing about them and the lore that we do have on them is very loose and lacking in many areas.
Fun fact, the word used for the “serpent” in the book of genesis is “nachash” which is a onomatopoeia for both the sound of a snake, but also of glowing metal (particularly bronze) being extinguished. This is why the word also translates to “the shining one”. So this character is basically just Lucifer in SW.
@Ken-gc5us The theology behind that always confused me as well, however like the guy above me said “Satan, or Hasatan” does literally mean adversary thus calling Lucifer Satan would still work as you could think of it as a synonym for “enemy” which Lucifer obviously is in the biblical narrative.
yes that was what came to my mind first when hearing this too. Kind of sad thats its such an obvious copy: The star wars Universe could have done so much better. Also, it insults Tolkins Concept of Arda and the song of creation
fun fact: Nachash (pronounced similarly) is the orginal hebrew word for the "serpent" in the garden of eden...also tracks for his bein' known as "the shining one" furtherin' the lucifer motif...that is all...carry on...
I would dispute that the _nakash_ in Genesis and the _shataan_ in Job were the same being. In Genesis, it's obviously a literal snake. "Cursed are you _among all beasts_ of the earth..." Part of that curse was that it would crawl on its belly and eat dust all the days of its life, but don't recall any stories about Satan crawling on his belly or eating dust 🤔 At the time Genesis was written, the Hebrew mythology didn't even include a Satan character. That only happened after the Babylonian exile, they imported that along with some aspects of Marduk and his pantheon. The snake was a common symbol of trickery in ancient Middle-East cultures. The idea that the _nakash_ and the _shataan_ are the same being was a Christian post-hoc rationalization. According to the actual text of the story itself, it's just a talking snake. But yeah, I think there's a connection there. Just pointing out that the Christian connection Lucas probably based this on is textually extremely flimsy. Even when I was a Christian I never understood why Christians thought the snake was anything other than a snake. The book tells you it's a snake 🤦🏻♂️
I admit, my knowledge of the Abrahamic mythology is a bit... basic. But by my understanding of the story, Lucifer granted humanity free will, a sense of right and wrong. And for that, his father, Jehovah, punished Lucifer to be the ruler of Hell for believing he knew better than his father. For his pride. The first sinner. With that in mind, I believe Nakhash was correct to create the Dark Side. To create a true balance for the Force. The Dark Side can be used responsibly, just like any negative emotions (anger, fear, etc.), if you know how to moderate it, control it.
@@LordAllomerewell he didn’t grant them the knowledge of good and evil rather, they could’ve easily eaten that fruit, but didn’t out of respect for jehovah, he instead allured them and influenced their decision to go against his fathers wishes as he once did, by taking from the fruit of the tree of good and evil. He thinks his decision is better than his fathers, but in doing so they traded immortality for death aka sin, and from caretakers with a paradise, oblivious to the world around them, to introducing suffering and pain and the knowledge of all to them. Question is would you want a eternal paradise if no worry and immortality with one you love, or introduce pain and suffering knowing you’ll die someday, but you have the autonomy to make your own decisions whatever that might be?.
@@Gurd-f2zNormally, I don't care to discuss philosophy, but you clearly have a deep understanding of this subject. Personally, I never thought very highly of the idea of immortality. Not being able to age and die, just living on without fear of injury or disease, sounds like it would grow... tedious after a few centuries. And in regards to spending that time with loved ones, never having to live without your family or closest friends? While that is a charming idea, I must admit that feelings of grief and loss, while painful, are important to the human experience. Otherwise, it wouldn't quite feel as valuable spending time with them. Overall, I would rather live with painful memories and tragic experiences knowing that, in the end, I had a choice in how I lived my life instead of feeling like I lived the exact same life as everyone else in the world. With evils in the world, I feel that it makes the good in life all the more meaningful and significant.
Okay okay, theory crafting here...but you know those whispers heard in the dual of fates...what if that was Nachash? while the choir was the celestials of light, a battle of song, a dual of light vs dark. That background would make dual of fates ten times more of one of my favorite scenes
The super natural of star wars should definitely be uncovered so we can learn from its greatest mysteries as darth sidous said in revenge of the sith "If one is to understand the great mystery one must study all of its aspects not just the god dam narrow view of the jedi"
Epic video Stupendous great job your by far the best when it comes to Sith or any dark side lore and always enjoy your videos and would love a more in depth video on the supreme maker and the celestial I think it would be interesting and would love to see it
The Problem with Lucas vision of the Dark Side is: Destruction and Chaos are not evil. Destruction and Chaos are basicaly the ultimate expressions of Balance. Creation and Destruction are mandatory for each other. And Chaos is just Entropy. It's movement in the Universe. The constant change. Without Chaos there would be no evolution. Without Destruction, Creation and Life becomes unhealthy, like cancer. These are concepts so vital for and essential for all life and all material in existance. If the Dark Side of the Force represents all of this, it can't be "evil". Next thing is "evil" itself. The Evil can't exist without a moral code. But the universe don't knows about morality. There is no evil in collapsing Stars, destroying everything coming close. There is no evil in a storm. The Evil can only exist in ambitions of an ego clashing with morality and expectations of a society. And even then it's debatable. Many things our societies considered to be evil hundreds of years ago, are normal today. It's the feedback what declares it evil. And beside this typical christian views implemented in this interpretation of the Force, the Sith Purebloods already proved, this to be wrong. In my oppinion the Father of Shadow is just another christian element, not caring for any substantial philosophy. But the Video was good, as always.
I think you reading into this too much of a Yin yang the problem is the dark side inherently corrupted no matter the intentions it will make it slave of evil because nobody can control it the dark side controls you.
What Lucas vision ? This isn't Lucas at all . Father of All Shadows , Supreme Maker , Aeon Celestials etc. Dose not exist in his mind. This is cool mythology but is not Lucas vision at all , it was not written by him . Is not that deep
@@Kobalt_Rax_the_one i was talking about the segment when Stupendous Wave mentioned how George Lucas described the Dark Side of the Force. As the Embodyment of Destruction and Chaos as the pure evil. And i pointed out the Flaws in Lucas description at this point. The Father of Shadows just falls into this narrative.
The Star Wars Cosmology is very interesting at times... Wish the Mortis Arc went deeper into it: Neither Legends or Canon really explains the hierarchy all that much. We also gotta see what the Chosen One Prophecy truly consists of. Sure we understand the basics but, what did it explicity say, and how can we connect the dots between the acts spoken of the Chosen One's future, and the events that took place surrounding Anakin that match it.
If I remember right, the Celestials were the primary beings that shaped the galaxy, but there was a species before them that created the force and everything itself, but theyve long abandoned the galaxy that Star Wars takes place in, or somehow died. The Celestials shaped the force and galaxy as its known, but they were still semi-mortal, being killable in specific ways. Eventually the last of the known Celestials, are the Father, Son, and Daughter. And as the last of such powerful force commanders, not users in my opinion to show just how important they were to it, their personalities bent the living force of the entire galaxy. Thus if either Son or Daughter held power over the other, the force became imbalanced galactically. The Chosen One prophecy was based off a vision of a force user born from the force itself being designed by the Cosmic Force itself to affect the Living Force and restore balance of the Light and Dark aspects of the Force when it reached a tipping point of no return. Though, the Chosen One themself is unknown if it was meant to be that Force User born of the Force, or if it referred to another, (Luke) who came from the prior one, or if it was simply whoever tipped said born of The Force individual towards balance. Meaning, is it Anakin who is the Chosen one for being made by the Force and acting as a shaper of it like the Celestials themselves were, or was it Luke who tipped Anakin back to balance after he fell so far to the Dark, and thus tipped the Living and Cosmic Forces towards balance again.
@@KaunPrime The Chosen One is meant to restore balance by destroying the Sith. It has nothing to do with balancing light and dark. Lucas was consistent with that. Lucas also was consistent that Anakin is the Chosen One and not Luke.
This sounds like a copy of Melkor/Morgoth from Tolkien's lore, which is both a compliment and a concern. However, there are unique additions that make it acceptable for fans of both lores such as myself. Also, this leads me to believe that there is no dark side ability that cannot be recreated with solely the light, if not made stronger through purity.
EU canon, although Lucas created SW, he changed his opinion often. So, I stand with the EU and Supernatural Encounters. Hail Nakhash, the One on the Throne, the Immortal Gods of the Sith will rise.
I would like hear more of this father of shadow.. this character could be part main with out being the end all be all. Its all about out how character is written and excuted as whole.. cool video
Nachash could still exist in the SW universe if you shift your perspective and just say he was a Celestial who was the first to fall to the Miss-use of the Darkside but due to his nature as a celestial became wholly consumed by it, loosing his sense of self but adding a subconscious to the Dark Side that inherently attempts to influence and seduce, which is why there are always whispers associated with Darkside visions, Nachash acting as a foundation absorbs the conscious of every dark side weirder and adds their intrinsic desires to the over all “will” of the Darkside.
2:20 he dose not mirror classic depictions of the devil. lucifer loved god and the universe he created to an obsessive level. he simply sees US as a mistake and was jelous of the way God viewed us, that then led to his downfall. the father of shadows is more than likely inspired by Morgoth/Melkore from the Silmarillion..... like the similarities are striking edit: just got to the part were you mention the Silmarillion mb
I believe when the father of shadows Created Evil The Force adopted it as a part of itself and In tern Balance became Light and Dark together. Also I believe Leeland Chee confirmed on Twitter that SE is canon to legends continuity.
Lucas was very consistent that there is no such thing as a balance of light and dark. He never changed the way the Force was works. There is no light side. That term is never used in the films. There's just the Force and the dark side, which is a perversion of it.
Always funny that rebellion is a cautionary tale. always ready to tell you that the way things are are how they should be be content with what you are given because that is what is good.
Honestly, it doesn't sound all that incompatible to me. After all, the Dark Side of the Force, as it is now, is not just an expression of passion and the more painful emotions. Nor merely power. It is a corruption that twists the mind and body. And whose who dive deep seek control of even the Force itself. It could explain not the Dark Side, but the corruption within the Dark Side. The very thing that names the Sith, when they become its true expression.
This is really interesting. I agree this is Lucifer. He couldn't accept humans,then rebellion started. So Nachash doesn't has body anymore or consciousness. He's something else. Lucifer is singular enemy. No doubt. I like George's vision too. May the Force be with you too😊
This is basically morgoth Also yes go into the supreme maker Also I’m pretty sure the supreme maker said even though Nakash introduced darkness The supreme maker said this perfected the force, as in the supreme maker knew Nakash would make it And that it didn’t ruin the force but make it more complete Light and dark So in a way the creator gets the last laugh As balance of light and dark is still a thing But balance equates to good Imbalance equates to evil
It would be appropriate to say, people could still absorb, and transmute the evil in the dark side, basically the more Grey Jedi rise, the more pure the father of shadows would become.
"Nekash, second only to the Supreme maker. However, his rebellion against the maker and his divine plan led to his fall." Right. So... it's just Lucifer and his fall after rebelling against God and his plan.
Could Darth Nihilus have accidentally sung his broken song into the force to become a force wound? Given how the story of Nekhash goes if one sings their song incorrectly into the force can harm the individual unimaginably so, plus Nihilus wouldn't have been powerful enough to do it properly/intentionally to begin with
When it comes to Supernatural Encounters, its draft-ideas was confirmed to proceed, but then the Final Product didn't get confirmation and was published anyway. This puts it in an ambiguous canonicity that I call a "Quasi-Canon." It's not canon, yet not fully non-canon either. But rather, it's in a Limbo state, where the general outline/idea seems canon, but the details are non-canon. I suspect this probably had to do with Gearge Lucas's shift in ideology on the dark-side (Given Nakash lore really does line up with his original ideology before it changed). Aswell as the surrounding actually canon lore inspiration (Such as the Celestials).
Honestly, much prefer the idea that the force is just the force. Power is as evil as what we do(or don't do) with it. PS: I do love that StarWars sometimes gets some weirder fantasy entities showing up from time to time. Instead of just the force and lasers.
Nah, it couldn’t. The book he’s from has been rejected several times now. Both by Disney and the former EU. This whole stort is essentially a fan fiction.
Why couldn't it be both? The Force was always Light & Dark together in Balance, but The Father of Shadows corrupted the Dark Side, twisting it into the corrupting malevolent power we know of today.
Well, if this is true, that would explain why sith who use the dark side end up looking to jacked up. Unlike the Jedi, whose relationship with the force is symbiotic, the sith's is parasitic. They get immense power from it, sure, but it sucks the life out of them to do so
10:00 That's just straight-up not true. Some parts of the EU may imply this, Lucas himself has never changed the how the Force works. There is no light side. The films and Lucas never uses that term. There's only the Force and the dark side, which is an imbalance created by making the Force follow your own will instead of following its will.
I'm sticking with my headcanon of "The Force is forgotten supertechnology in the form of a galaxy-spanning nanobot hivemind that the galaxy's current life can't fully interface with.", it makes too much sense. Some ancient race figured out reality and then left the galaxy to do other things, accidentally leaving their wifi on, which a bunch of random life then evolved bathed in.
That's cool
The theory certainly has merit; however, I doubt it's some lost ancient technology. Instead, I think it's more akin to the Precursor's Neural Physics, which is based on the idea that the Universe is alive. At some point, the Precursors an ancient, immortal species seemed to have discovered a way to manipulate it to such an extent that they had almost complete control over reality. It's possible that some other species came across something similar.
However, as I mentioned, the technology route doesn’t seem viable. In the Legends material, the Force isn't restricted to just the Skyriver Galaxy; it spans the entire Universe and reaches into different dimensions and possibly other universes. There are old lore references to entities that could use the Force, which came from different dimensions and other galaxies, indicating that many species understood and could wield it. Additionally, Chaos, which is the Star Wars version of Hell, exists. Unless some ancient species somehow created an afterlife and managed to disseminate this technology throughout reality, the technology route seems unlikely.
Returning to the Precursor concept, it could be possible that some species, like the Precursors, were among the first to come into existence. Much like the Precursors from Halo, they may have seeded the Universe with life, including the Skyriver Galaxy. They likely created the Force or utilized some pre-existing concept to develop the Force, various species, souls, and so on. In a way, you could argue that this was their form of technology or science.
For those wondering why I don’t simply say that God exists in the Star Wars universe or something similar: while I may be religious, I prefer not to impose religious beliefs onto a fictional universe, as not many people appreciate that kind of discussion.
Quick Edit: I am aware that The Celestials exist however we know next to nothing about them and the lore that we do have on them is very loose and lacking in many areas.
Fun fact, the word used for the “serpent” in the book of genesis is “nachash” which is a onomatopoeia for both the sound of a snake, but also of glowing metal (particularly bronze) being extinguished. This is why the word also translates to “the shining one”. So this character is basically just Lucifer in SW.
When I heard nachash I automatically thought of serpent.
bronze serpent
not Lucifer...is Satan or the Demiurge...Lucifer and Satan are 2 different beings...
Satan is not a being, the word Satan just means avisary or enemy.
@Ken-gc5us The theology behind that always confused me as well, however like the guy above me said “Satan, or Hasatan” does literally mean adversary thus calling Lucifer Satan would still work as you could think of it as a synonym for “enemy” which Lucifer obviously is in the biblical narrative.
....This sounds a lot like Melkor and the origin story of LOTR.
yes that was what came to my mind first when hearing this too.
Kind of sad thats its such an obvious copy: The star wars Universe could have done so much better. Also, it insults Tolkins Concept of Arda and the song of creation
More like the story of Lucifer which came waaaay before Melkore.
umm he said that in the video did you miss it or just repeating?
@Mudvayne241 all of our reality is made up of frequency. This scientific truth existed before LOTR and in many ancient religions far before that.
More like Knull.
fun fact: Nachash (pronounced similarly) is the orginal hebrew word for the "serpent" in the garden of eden...also tracks for his bein' known as "the shining one" furtherin' the lucifer motif...that is all...carry on...
Damn you beat me to it 😂
Damn dude 🥲
I thought I recognised the name but couldn't place it straight away
Hebrew textual critics of varying degrees of literacy, unite!
I would dispute that the _nakash_ in Genesis and the _shataan_ in Job were the same being. In Genesis, it's obviously a literal snake. "Cursed are you _among all beasts_ of the earth..."
Part of that curse was that it would crawl on its belly and eat dust all the days of its life, but don't recall any stories about Satan crawling on his belly or eating dust 🤔
At the time Genesis was written, the Hebrew mythology didn't even include a Satan character. That only happened after the Babylonian exile, they imported that along with some aspects of Marduk and his pantheon. The snake was a common symbol of trickery in ancient Middle-East cultures.
The idea that the _nakash_ and the _shataan_ are the same being was a Christian post-hoc rationalization. According to the actual text of the story itself, it's just a talking snake.
But yeah, I think there's a connection there. Just pointing out that the Christian connection Lucas probably based this on is textually extremely flimsy. Even when I was a Christian I never understood why Christians thought the snake was anything other than a snake. The book tells you it's a snake 🤦🏻♂️
Mom, can we get Morgoth?
We have Morgoth at home….
Morgoth at Home:
As I wrote in my comment, but of course one of the greatest of our time would be inspired and draw upon one of the greatest of his time.
Lucifer. The fallen shinning one. (Who Morgoth is also based on)
Knull at home.
@@44SCB yeah
Morgoth type and Sauron type of character is so badly needed in Star Wars.
The song of creation gives me Eru and he's very morgoth lol
Eru Iluvatar,sir...have you beeing doing music in another Galaxy?
-Maaaaybe...
Strong mirroring to the notion of Lucifer in the context of a rebellious angel within the Abrahamic tradition.
A lot of things in the Star Wars lore timeline pull from real life theories, lore, people, gods, religions, and events from our past in history..
I admit, my knowledge of the Abrahamic mythology is a bit... basic. But by my understanding of the story, Lucifer granted humanity free will, a sense of right and wrong. And for that, his father, Jehovah, punished Lucifer to be the ruler of Hell for believing he knew better than his father. For his pride. The first sinner.
With that in mind, I believe Nakhash was correct to create the Dark Side. To create a true balance for the Force. The Dark Side can be used responsibly, just like any negative emotions (anger, fear, etc.), if you know how to moderate it, control it.
@@LordAllomerewell he didn’t grant them the knowledge of good and evil rather, they could’ve easily eaten that fruit, but didn’t out of respect for jehovah, he instead allured them and influenced their decision to go against his fathers wishes as he once did, by taking from the fruit of the tree of good and evil. He thinks his decision is better than his fathers, but in doing so they traded immortality for death aka sin, and from caretakers with a paradise, oblivious to the world around them, to introducing suffering and pain and the knowledge of all to them. Question is would you want a eternal paradise if no worry and immortality with one you love, or introduce pain and suffering knowing you’ll die someday, but you have the autonomy to make your own decisions whatever that might be?.
@@Gurd-f2zNormally, I don't care to discuss philosophy, but you clearly have a deep understanding of this subject. Personally, I never thought very highly of the idea of immortality. Not being able to age and die, just living on without fear of injury or disease, sounds like it would grow... tedious after a few centuries. And in regards to spending that time with loved ones, never having to live without your family or closest friends? While that is a charming idea, I must admit that feelings of grief and loss, while painful, are important to the human experience. Otherwise, it wouldn't quite feel as valuable spending time with them.
Overall, I would rather live with painful memories and tragic experiences knowing that, in the end, I had a choice in how I lived my life instead of feeling like I lived the exact same life as everyone else in the world. With evils in the world, I feel that it makes the good in life all the more meaningful and significant.
Okay okay, theory crafting here...but you know those whispers heard in the dual of fates...what if that was Nachash? while the choir was the celestials of light, a battle of song, a dual of light vs dark. That background would make dual of fates ten times more of one of my favorite scenes
yes. please do a video on The Supreme Maker!
Ditto, I'm curious.
We getting out of Valinor with this one 🗣🗣🗣
Would definitely love to hear more about the creator and the celestials. 👍🏼
Great video
Thank you for showcasing and advertising Supernatural Encounters
The super natural of star wars should definitely be uncovered so we can learn from its greatest mysteries
as darth sidous said in revenge of the sith
"If one is to understand the great mystery one must study all of its aspects not just the god dam narrow view of the jedi"
sidious didnt say "god dam" xdxdxdxddxdxdxdxd. He said "dogmatic"
@Sn1ffko it's been quite a while since I heard that moment of star wars episode 3
Love your content man. Keep it up.
Epic video Stupendous great job your by far the best when it comes to Sith or any dark side lore and always enjoy your videos and would love a more in depth video on the supreme maker and the celestial I think it would be interesting and would love to see it
Basically when I started listening to the video my thoughts were "well I guess it's a Star wars adaptation of the silmarillion"
Finally Supernatural Encounters gets the attention it deserves.
YES YES FINALLY THIS LORE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHTTT
I was starting to do research on him and you dropped this to save me the trouble ❤
4:12 "He created Discord."
Holy God, he really is the most evil thing in the universe!!!
Love the stupendous wave❤❤❤
The Problem with Lucas vision of the Dark Side is: Destruction and Chaos are not evil. Destruction and Chaos are basicaly the ultimate expressions of Balance. Creation and Destruction are mandatory for each other. And Chaos is just Entropy. It's movement in the Universe. The constant change. Without Chaos there would be no evolution. Without Destruction, Creation and Life becomes unhealthy, like cancer. These are concepts so vital for and essential for all life and all material in existance. If the Dark Side of the Force represents all of this, it can't be "evil". Next thing is "evil" itself. The Evil can't exist without a moral code. But the universe don't knows about morality. There is no evil in collapsing Stars, destroying everything coming close. There is no evil in a storm. The Evil can only exist in ambitions of an ego clashing with morality and expectations of a society. And even then it's debatable. Many things our societies considered to be evil hundreds of years ago, are normal today. It's the feedback what declares it evil. And beside this typical christian views implemented in this interpretation of the Force, the Sith Purebloods already proved, this to be wrong. In my oppinion the Father of Shadow is just another christian element, not caring for any substantial philosophy.
But the Video was good, as always.
In my point of view the Jedi are evil. That sentence contains a lot of weight in the saga when you may realize.
I think you reading into this too much of a Yin yang the problem is the dark side inherently corrupted no matter the intentions it will make it slave of evil because nobody can control it the dark side controls you.
What Lucas vision ? This isn't Lucas at all . Father of All Shadows , Supreme Maker , Aeon Celestials etc. Dose not exist in his mind.
This is cool mythology but is not Lucas vision at all , it was not written by him . Is not that deep
Some one has found the same path as I have been walking the force I enjoy this company
@@Kobalt_Rax_the_one i was talking about the segment when Stupendous Wave mentioned how George Lucas described the Dark Side of the Force. As the Embodyment of Destruction and Chaos as the pure evil. And i pointed out the Flaws in Lucas description at this point. The Father of Shadows just falls into this narrative.
Yes, make more videos about this.
This is still more Star Wars than Disneys interpretations
Yes I want more of this bean.
The grand daddy of all dark lords in the legends universe of Star Wars.
The Star Wars Cosmology is very interesting at times...
Wish the Mortis Arc went deeper into it:
Neither Legends or Canon really explains the hierarchy all that much. We also gotta see what the Chosen One Prophecy truly consists of. Sure we understand the basics but, what did it explicity say, and how can we connect the dots between the acts spoken of the Chosen One's future, and the events that took place surrounding Anakin that match it.
If I remember right, the Celestials were the primary beings that shaped the galaxy, but there was a species before them that created the force and everything itself, but theyve long abandoned the galaxy that Star Wars takes place in, or somehow died. The Celestials shaped the force and galaxy as its known, but they were still semi-mortal, being killable in specific ways. Eventually the last of the known Celestials, are the Father, Son, and Daughter. And as the last of such powerful force commanders, not users in my opinion to show just how important they were to it, their personalities bent the living force of the entire galaxy. Thus if either Son or Daughter held power over the other, the force became imbalanced galactically.
The Chosen One prophecy was based off a vision of a force user born from the force itself being designed by the Cosmic Force itself to affect the Living Force and restore balance of the Light and Dark aspects of the Force when it reached a tipping point of no return. Though, the Chosen One themself is unknown if it was meant to be that Force User born of the Force, or if it referred to another, (Luke) who came from the prior one, or if it was simply whoever tipped said born of The Force individual towards balance. Meaning, is it Anakin who is the Chosen one for being made by the Force and acting as a shaper of it like the Celestials themselves were, or was it Luke who tipped Anakin back to balance after he fell so far to the Dark, and thus tipped the Living and Cosmic Forces towards balance again.
@@KaunPrime The Chosen One is meant to restore balance by destroying the Sith. It has nothing to do with balancing light and dark. Lucas was consistent with that. Lucas also was consistent that Anakin is the Chosen One and not Luke.
This sounds like a copy of Melkor/Morgoth from Tolkien's lore, which is both a compliment and a concern. However, there are unique additions that make it acceptable for fans of both lores such as myself.
Also, this leads me to believe that there is no dark side ability that cannot be recreated with solely the light, if not made stronger through purity.
Let’s go with the supreme maker
Ooo, something new!
Loved this one and would look forward to seeing more about the subject at hand 🤙👍
Yeah, I'd love to hear about the Supreme Maker / Prime Mover.
Yes more please
I'd love to hear more about the creator and celestial mythos :)
So he's a rip off of Morgoth? 🤣
I know right?!
@Lemiwinks55 to be fair Tolkien's has inspired many fantasy stories
morgoth is a rip of of him
@@YourLifeWasting lies. Deception.
@@YourLifeWastinglol no
Tells me you don’t know anything
Because Tolkien come up with morgoth in the silmaisrlion
Before supernatural encounters
Do the Supreme Maker next!
EU canon, although Lucas created SW, he changed his opinion often. So, I stand with the EU and Supernatural Encounters. Hail Nakhash, the One on the Throne, the Immortal Gods of the Sith will rise.
I would like hear more of this father of shadow.. this character could be part main with out being the end all be all. Its all about out how character is written and excuted as whole.. cool video
You should do an entire video on Supernatural Encounters ngl.
Nachash could still exist in the SW universe if you shift your perspective and just say he was a Celestial who was the first to fall to the Miss-use of the Darkside but due to his nature as a celestial became wholly consumed by it, loosing his sense of self but adding a subconscious to the Dark Side that inherently attempts to influence and seduce, which is why there are always whispers associated with Darkside visions, Nachash acting as a foundation absorbs the conscious of every dark side weirder and adds their intrinsic desires to the over all “will” of the Darkside.
I love the content you create so much, thank you for all you do.
So Lucifer?
Or Arhiman?
yes that was my first thought
Disney.
God created evil
@@billylyons7212 absence without God creates evil
Imagine those jazz aliens accidentally playing one of his songs
Intresting consept
Good Afternoon everyone!
𝐺𝑜𝑜𝑑 𝑎𝑓𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑜𝑜𝑛
A video about the Supreme Maker, Wutjek, and the Celestials would be awesome.
2:20 he dose not mirror classic depictions of the devil. lucifer loved god and the universe he created to an obsessive level. he simply sees US as a mistake and was jelous of the way God viewed us, that then led to his downfall. the father of shadows is more than likely inspired by Morgoth/Melkore from the Silmarillion..... like the similarities are striking
edit: just got to the part were you mention the Silmarillion mb
yes yes yes please make a video on supreme maker and celestials
So he's the Star Wars Satan? 😎
You could say that.
🎉
Pretty much
He literally said that “he is Star War’s equivalent of the Devil” verbatim.
Would LOVE to see more abt the Celestials >:D
the pictures of him look so badass.
I believe when the father of shadows Created Evil The Force adopted it as a part of itself and In tern Balance became Light and Dark together. Also I believe Leeland Chee confirmed on Twitter that SE is canon to legends continuity.
Also to mention the syperme maker said Nakash didn’t ruin the force he protected it
As if trying to mess with it made it better
The irony
Ehh it is a big can of worms if really make it canon imo , as there can be contradictions but i guess it can work
Lucas was very consistent that there is no such thing as a balance of light and dark. He never changed the way the Force was works. There is no light side. That term is never used in the films. There's just the Force and the dark side, which is a perversion of it.
Always funny that rebellion is a cautionary tale. always ready to tell you that the way things are are how they should be be content with what you are given because that is what is good.
So Basically, He is the Morgoth of Star Wars. But Still Amazing to know about.
I would like to see more of this
I never heard of guy. I happy to learn more about this side of the star wars universe
Where did all this come from? I mean its just the Silmarilian but I was unaware Starwars had a creation myth
Honestly, it doesn't sound all that incompatible to me. After all, the Dark Side of the Force, as it is now, is not just an expression of passion and the more painful emotions. Nor merely power. It is a corruption that twists the mind and body. And whose who dive deep seek control of even the Force itself. It could explain not the Dark Side, but the corruption within the Dark Side. The very thing that names the Sith, when they become its true expression.
This is really interesting. I agree this is Lucifer. He couldn't accept humans,then rebellion started. So Nachash doesn't has body anymore or consciousness. He's something else. Lucifer is singular enemy. No doubt. I like George's vision too. May the Force be with you too😊
I wonder who created the Light side, I wonder.
A giant talking lion??? 🦁
Me
@@mridlon1634plz don't shit on Aslan
The Light Side is the Force.
Yes I would like to know about the Supreme Maker
It is exactly like it Morgath also Melkor was the one who sowed discord into the song
This is basically morgoth
Also yes go into the supreme maker
Also I’m pretty sure the supreme maker said even though Nakash introduced darkness
The supreme maker said this perfected the force, as in the supreme maker knew Nakash would make it
And that it didn’t ruin the force but make it more complete
Light and dark
So in a way the creator gets the last laugh
As balance of light and dark is still a thing
But balance equates to good
Imbalance equates to evil
Star Wars came out first tho
@ lol no it didn’t
Do your research before making a claim that makes you seem ignorant of what came first
More on the celestial!
It would be amazing to see that video made!
It would be appropriate to say, people could still absorb, and transmute the evil in the dark side, basically the more Grey Jedi rise, the more pure the father of shadows would become.
"Nekash, second only to the Supreme maker. However, his rebellion against the maker and his divine plan led to his fall." Right. So... it's just Lucifer and his fall after rebelling against God and his plan.
Could Darth Nihilus have accidentally sung his broken song into the force to become a force wound? Given how the story of Nekhash goes if one sings their song incorrectly into the force can harm the individual unimaginably so, plus Nihilus wouldn't have been powerful enough to do it properly/intentionally to begin with
Tail as old as time. Satan, Melkor, etc.
Yes do everything
When it comes to Supernatural Encounters, its draft-ideas was confirmed to proceed, but then the Final Product didn't get confirmation and was published anyway.
This puts it in an ambiguous canonicity that I call a "Quasi-Canon."
It's not canon, yet not fully non-canon either.
But rather, it's in a Limbo state, where the general outline/idea seems canon, but the details are non-canon.
I suspect this probably had to do with Gearge Lucas's shift in ideology on the dark-side (Given Nakash lore really does line up with his original ideology before it changed).
Aswell as the surrounding actually canon lore inspiration (Such as the Celestials).
would it work as a sort of Infinities piece of literature?
Dayum errybody gotta catch some of that tolkien influence
Nakash origin sounds like the merger of satan and morgoths backstory together
I was thinking Morgoth as well, especially when he corrupted the song.
Big Morgoth energy here
One lightsaber to rule them one lightsaber to find them one lightsaber to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
Honestly, much prefer the idea that the force is just the force. Power is as evil as what we do(or don't do) with it.
PS: I do love that StarWars sometimes gets some weirder fantasy entities showing up from time to time. Instead of just the force and lasers.
He sounds a lot like Morgoth from Lord of the rings in shaping through music trying to make his own songs.
So, Satan + Morgoth = Nakash.
imagine if Sidious met the creator of the darkside
Definitely Melkor.
More please of the lore.
Idk how i feel about this but it does make sense
So this is part of who Lady Traya was trying to save us from.
More. We want more! Celestials, Supreme maker... ALL OF IT!!! Please. Thank You. MTFBWYA
It would be interesting full episode of creator and nakashe
WOW! I have never seen a Figure who created the Dark Side!
The Father of Shadows could be canonized as an in-universe mythological legend from some culture out on the Galaxy. Could be interesting to see.
Nah, it couldn’t. The book he’s from has been rejected several times now. Both by Disney and the former EU. This whole stort is essentially a fan fiction.
You and theory should start a podcast!
Why couldn't it be both? The Force was always Light & Dark together in Balance, but The Father of Shadows corrupted the Dark Side, twisting it into the corrupting malevolent power we know of today.
Yes I want part 2 of it
Well, if this is true, that would explain why sith who use the dark side end up looking to jacked up. Unlike the Jedi, whose relationship with the force is symbiotic, the sith's is parasitic. They get immense power from it, sure, but it sucks the life out of them to do so
Force Revelation
Love it when someone writes one star wars book and they create a cosmic entity that dwarfs everything else messes the balance of the scales 🦍
More. enough said.
This is the Star Wars version of Semana and his ray of destruction Culdahan
I bet Tulak Hord is his prized possession
(yes Ik i talk abt him alot cause hes just the Goat)
Yes more on this
Hey!
10:00 That's just straight-up not true. Some parts of the EU may imply this, Lucas himself has never changed the how the Force works. There is no light side. The films and Lucas never uses that term. There's only the Force and the dark side, which is an imbalance created by making the Force follow your own will instead of following its will.