idk fragrance and watches are different tho. More expensive watches are of higher quality than fakes while with fragrances there really isn't any difference.
Man you guys gotta stop with the "FAKE" partnership... every time I hear christian give the pitch I just replace "fragrance" with "watch" and hear the justification of every person who has bought a fake rolex.
@ojasgadre2272 0 seconds ago idk fragrance and watches are different tho. More expensive watches are of higher quality than fakes while with fragrances there really isn't any difference.
@@ojasgadre2272 there is not an appreciable difference between the 'fake' watch or 'homage' watch and the 'real' thing. Certainly not a quality difference reflected by the price. Case in point, San martin Rolex homages, are not 33x worse quality than a Rolex. No reason not to opt for something cheaper for a boring Rolex watch. Given the endorsement for FAKE, at best, they should be mute on fake and homage watches.
Guys stop with the fake fragrance thing. I always just assumed there was a huge crossover between the watch community and the fragrance community so I'm surprised to see such a lack of appreciation for the art of perfumery on the channel. I know Christian can't smell but I always assumed Michael was a fraghead as he seems to appreciate artistry in many forms.
Talk about a CEO that needs to be fired... Please buy FAKE fragrances, oh and by the way, All of our Vintage Watches are authentic...... 🤣🤣🤣..............😂😂😂😂
The only brand that you are hurting is your own. I have been subscribed to your channel and unless you run a retraction, I will ask everyone to unsubscribe. This is all hearsay and neither you or Nico know or even met the man. Been with him many times and he is not loud. He drinks wine like almost everyone. Of the many times I was with him I have never seen him drunk. Can it happen? Yes of course but that could happen to anyone. Big issues with not knowing the man, the so called collectors who said this and here is the BIG ONE, You said that the biggest issue is that he is the CEO, news flash EMILY is the CEO not FP. PLEASE, do at least some homework before making defamatory remarks. I like you guys but this is really bad stuff. Please retract at least about how a CEO can’t act like an artist.
relax, they don't need to run a retraction. this is a watch channel meant for entertainment. this is not the news. if i or christian wants to say journe is a pedo than so be it. it's your responsiblity to assess what your truth is. this is a big boy world. no one is going to hold our hands.
I watched this really hoping to hear what FPJ said or did. Without that it’s hard to form a view. History is filled with flawed controversial creative geniuses that didn’t conform or act appropriately but that didn’t impact the demand or value of their legacy (from Picasso to Michael Jackson to Elon Musk!) Is FP Journe a disrupter/maverick/loose cannon or is there something more sinister/morally wrong that completely destroys what the brand stands for and any association with it is tarnished (akin to Harvey Weinstein). I’ve no vested interest either way but without understanding this detail it’s very hard to have an opinion
This is the best way to look at it, in my perspective. He could've said something that I agree with and just isn't what's considered Kosher these days; or he could've said something that repulses me and I'll .... still probably buy one when they're cheaper lol
I totally agree with you. We live in a cancel culture, and unless we know what was said, it’s hard take a position. But I don’t insinuations without knowing what was said or done. Nico was not at the said dinner -it’s all heresay so far. Until we know
They deleted an entire comment thread with at least a hundred thumbs up discussing about their problematic sponsorship with fake fragrances. How disappointing.
I think a few things have to be considered. 1: The watch world, collectors/sellers will cling onto anything in hopes of giving a timepiece more provenance, so there definitely will be "Pre/Post Journe passing" watches. 2: If the quality and perceived rarity of the products remains the same, I doubt it will have a drastic influence on how the brand is placed in the market. Maybe just a slight knock, given part of the charm of Journe is that it's being pushed by the vision of one man. After Enzo Ferrari died, the company persisted as a iconic brand, although these situations don't come around too often.
Fair point but Ferrari was a much bigger scale mostly because of the racing. The brand literally gets carried by the Tifosi. Most of them not even able to purchase the main product, cars.
to the second point of yours: Absolutely, if the watches keep being as good as they are or possibly even better, very few will care about his reputation and what he said/did or not. Not to mention, Ferrari is in high high demand even though it's incredibly poorly build and unreliable, because people want what is hard to get.
FAKE has got to be the most ironic sponsor for T&H :P You guys rly don't see the watch parallel? "Why spend all that money, when you can get the same for way less" I mean, c'mon :D I got all those replicas and homages in front of my eyes, instantly, where this channel is all about sincerity, honesty and genuine takes.
I don't mind in the slightest that Mr. FP Journe likes to stick his elbow out, whether in private or in public. A genius is a genius and his circumstances. I recommend you to watch the movie "Sweet and Lowdown" by W. Allen. The final work is important, not the creator.
Jackson Pollock, Francis Bacon, Van Gogh, Paul Gauguin, Toulouse-Lautrec, Jean-Michel Basquiat, Mark Rothko, Picasso…all loved to party/drink. Their art was an expression of their lifestyle. It’s the same with F.P. Journe. He’s an artist equal to the creative geniuses mentioned above. Collectors know this. They get it. They appreciate an artists bright side, and, dark side. Collectors understand that this is where their creativity and originality comes from. Perhaps some ‘investors’ don’t. You two have totally missed the mark on this one. I’ll attribute it to your age and lack of knowledge and experience with artists. Salute 🥂🍾
It does not matter what they think - it matters what the market things. We have your perspective and theirs, which one will be the dominanting one. Lets see.
"his age and culture, are not necessarily, in concert with modern times..." Oh god here we go, younger people being offended by everything. I'm already feeling like this whole thing is massively overblown. People say dumb sh-t when they're drunk, usually the first thing that comes to their head, with no filter. I challenge anyone to tell me they've never said anything revolting when they're drunk...
@@johnriesling2207 You'd have to be a fool to spend the money on a Journe in the first place. 10 years ago prices were fair for their level of finishing.
He thinks these types of collectors are pieces of shit. He puts his heart and soul into his watches, he's literally dedicated his entire life to horology. These speculative collectors only see dollar signs, and are shutting out those whom he sees as deserving from owning his time pieces.
I cannot believe this is a thing. Men can never ever say again that women are all about gossip and drama when all these grown ass men are talking about a guy who talked some shit while he was drunk. This is having me question myself that i am into watches if other people who are into watches get so bent out of shape or this is even a topic!! Good Everyone sell their Journe, I will buy it and wear it with pride.
Ehhh, yes but no. This isn't quite the same, this is: "The CEO gets really drunk and says stupid, offensive shit in public" - *that* absolutely is a problem if you've got investments that can be affected by the behavior of said CEO.
Honestly, without knowing what he actually said everything is irrelevant, people get offended for nothing nowadays, I would not surprised if the phrase the offended the collector that left had me clapping instead.
@@johnbrennan592 Antisemitism and racism has lost its meaning. Everyone throws around those words to discredit people. Unless Journe said lets lock up and murder every jew than i doubt he is an antisemite.
In a parallel universe, F.P Journe is probably drinking his champagne, watching this video and declaring you two gay and i might have to agree with him 😂
How about a young vintage / used watch salesman who provides a well known watch youtube channel, yet sells malfunctining watches and is dishonest enough not to stand behind products he sells with Zero true aftersales customer care of any shape or form. At the end FP Journe is just a watch maker an Artist who in this case happened to be off his main scope of productive work, not an influencer or a RUclipsr, the problem can be for me whether he is drunk while making a watch or not. If you are in fine arts you would wish to own a Picasso's or Dali's art work regardless of their well known notorious and abusive characters. Stop this sprouting this naivety BS.
My last year of WOSTEP in 2004 I actually met Francios (and Christophe Claret & Frank Müller) thru a friend in Geneva. They were just back from St Tropez and even 20 years ago it was obvious these guys liked to party hard. And yes, they really did the whole "party" thing. Wonderful guys though but definitely exentric.
I was very blue collar when I met FP in NYC… I had him sign the owners manual for my Chrono Bleu…. I think that will add value… Imagine if you had a Breguet today signed by Breguet…. Who knew his foibles?
But if F.P. bit the dust tomorrow, would his company still stick around to service your watch? If not, who will service such a unique movement, and will they service it properly? This is the reason why larger brands with centuries of history and stability (i.e. Patek Philippe) are consistently considered the pinnacle of watch manufacturing and branding. These are companies that have transcended just a single individual.
His company has partners and those who own and manage the boutiques… the patents he owns are probably worth fortunes… I am completely convinced that his brand would live on…. Kind of like Breguet, the master watchmaker of his time…. Almost 300 years ago, and now owned by one of the watch conglomerates, same with Lange and Sohn…. No worries for future maintenance…
damn this whole comment section is one of the most pretentious comment sections ive ever seen, yall whinging and crying about a sponsor that produces fragrances. yall really need to grow tf up
“I was too late to the party, and it’s too expensive.” I’m sure you are trying to speak a weak Journe market into existence, but we will go ahead and revisit this and any follow-up “Nico Scoop” in the next 3-4 days, months, or years. I look forward to seeing how this ages. It reminds me of a Horological version of the Cancel movement started by a rumor of someone who saw something and some scandalous pictures, all peddled by Fake Perfume pushers. 😂. Come on guy
EVERYTHING you SAID about FRAGRANCES is WHAT someone WHO is UNEDUCATED about WATCHES, AS you SEEM to be ABOUT fragrances, would SAY about WATCHES...INTERESTING...#GiveMeJESUS
Allegedly he said some very racist stuff and then harassed a female waiter that was serving them. It was so serious, that all 20 collectors got up, paid what they consumed and left. The next days a lot of watch dealers received requests to help some collectors sell their FP's. That man and 🍷 don't mix well.
I saw F.P. Journe at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Your point is well made. People, like the two immature stooges in the above video, are quick to believe anything and spread false rumors without checking sources. 1) Mr. Journe lives in Geneva, not LA. 2) Mr. Journe would never go near the sugary wax that passes for American chocolate, especially a Milky Way candy bar. And 3) Mr. Journe does not speak English. “A lie travels halfway around the world before the truth can put its boots on.”
A French excentric watchmaker in his years that likes to drink,… i really wonder what people expected to hear. How could you think that his opinions would be culturally acceptible? As long he didn’t break a law… who cares? Reminds me off a sketch from Bill Burr where he states a situation when an interview is given with an old blue collared man,… where and when did he grow up? How can you be surprized? Seems to me that you buy a watch that you like, thats all. Don’t fancy the whole “a person is a brand” thing, don’t buy into it. The biggest saint in public just hides something, we are all imperfect. Better to expect it. Good day to you all and lets all be more accepting to our other human fellows.
Hearsay and without any detail of what was actually said. This is a terrible, vapid video. Stand up and produce facts like a man or say nothing. This is pretty close to a smear piece.
I posted the same thing on Nico's video. If someone has proof that he's a bad guy, then say what he did. If not, it's pretty scummy to fuel speculation and rumors.
They are market makers. There is an upcoming auction and they are trying to suppress the prices. Tim Mosso has done the same thing, as have others. “It’s not personal, it’s business”!
disagree. this is a watch youtube channel for goodness sakes. stop taking it so serious. if journes is a antisemite, who cares. if journes a drunk, who cares. if journe got frisky with a collector, who cares.
Who care?? Would you buy Picasso’s paint? If he smokes weed?? FPJ is an artist. Ppl who knows the real value of his art work wouldn’t care abt what he did in public, but focus on his work. No drama
There aren't many famous artists out there that were stable. I mean Van Gogh cut off his ear, Andy Warhol was a nutter, Munch, Goya, O'Keefe, the list goes on. I think it kind of comes with the territory.
This is typical overthinking.....most geniuses are "mad" or seem "strange" to the rest of us, they are outliers and that's why they produce the exceptional and he hasn't actually done anything criminal....on the other hand i hope you succeed in destroying his brand so i can get my hands on one of his masterpieces or maybe that is what you are after for your own benefit?
CHRISTIAN AND MICHAEL.... in the words of brandon tatum from officer tatum channel - "is he wrong though?" his comments on watch collectors does it not ring some truth? does he care about what other people think about him or does he care about the opinion people have towards his work
It’s fine to have an opinion. What both of you can try is to own a piece of FJP’s creations and experiencing it as a true watch enthusiast and then share your experience of FPJ’s creations instead of gossiping the master’s private life and making suggestions about the future value of FPJ for year to come. Or like other YTs to meet and have a drink and meal with the master and report your experience. #The art of FPJ❤ is all I care🤩 #Go FPJ🍸🍾🌹
A genius can do everything he wants…like a rock star, those are another league kind of people…how much he drink won’t effect his ability to be a genius it could actually help him in the process!!
watch nerds need to remember these watch makers are closer to the category of 'artists' than they are of 'ceo'. i don't mind artists going crazy. it's part of their creative process.
Hey guys, why spend all that money on luxury watches like the ones in the Theo and Harris site when you can just buy a FAKE watch for less! Looks the same just like FAKE fragrances smell the same...WTF worst fitting sponsor I've seen in a while
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOODNIGHT!
You also! Thank you
Let’s all try to appreciate the arts created by the artist, FPJ but not going after artist’s private life. It’s makes no sense!
Smug pretentious punk. Omg you need to evaporate off you tube.
@@iamzhongguoren9450scandal sells Fake perfume
"Real fragrance is too expensive so it's ok to buy fake", does that apply to Rolex?
"Rolex is to simple and boring to buy it for the price, so its ok to buy Casio"
idk fragrance and watches are different tho. More expensive watches are of higher quality than fakes while with fragrances there really isn't any difference.
@@ojasgadre2272If there is no difference than its no fake. I mean they also used whales puke to create a scent
@@ojasgadre2272 Fake watches tell the time!
lol surely
Man you guys gotta stop with the "FAKE" partnership... every time I hear christian give the pitch I just replace "fragrance" with "watch" and hear the justification of every person who has bought a fake rolex.
Exactly
It has made me look at them both different 🤔 they started the channel well but have gone off the deep end now
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idk fragrance and watches are different tho. More expensive watches are of higher quality than fakes while with fragrances there really isn't any difference.
@@ojasgadre2272 there is not an appreciable difference between the 'fake' watch or 'homage' watch and the 'real' thing. Certainly not a quality difference reflected by the price. Case in point, San martin Rolex homages, are not 33x worse quality than a Rolex. No reason not to opt for something cheaper for a boring Rolex watch. Given the endorsement for FAKE, at best, they should be mute on fake and homage watches.
“FP Journe is going to eviscerate his brand’s reputation! But first, a word from our sponsor: a knockoff fragrance brand!”
Uh huh.
😄
Ads are incredibly cringe , 90% of them are fly by night products and it hurts these RUclipsrs image more than they think.
SNL should do a skit on watch influencers. There is so much material out there.
Implying Theo and Harris ever had a reputation to destroy XD
lol nice.
Guys stop with the fake fragrance thing. I always just assumed there was a huge crossover between the watch community and the fragrance community so I'm surprised to see such a lack of appreciation for the art of perfumery on the channel. I know Christian can't smell but I always assumed Michael was a fraghead as he seems to appreciate artistry in many forms.
Only plebeians buy branded fragrances.
Fake fragrance, fake news, but real disinterest today.
Hmm. Just curious, how much did you pay to watch this content, Cecco?
Not interested in perfume just because I like watches
Totally agree
So all this talk and nobody knows what he actually said? Seems these are more for clicks than anything else.
He probably said he likes Hublot
He is our guy.
Talk about a CEO that needs to be fired... Please buy FAKE fragrances, oh and by the way, All of our Vintage Watches are authentic...... 🤣🤣🤣..............😂😂😂😂
Greed makes people so blind it’s mind blowing
The only brand that you are hurting is your own. I have been subscribed to your channel and unless you run a retraction, I will ask everyone to unsubscribe. This is all hearsay and neither you or Nico know or even met the man. Been with him many times and he is not loud. He drinks wine like almost everyone. Of the many times I was with him I have never seen him drunk. Can it happen? Yes of course but that could happen to anyone. Big issues with not knowing the man, the so called collectors who said this and here is the BIG ONE, You said that the biggest issue is that he is the CEO, news flash EMILY is the CEO not FP. PLEASE, do at least some homework before making defamatory remarks. I like you guys but this is really bad stuff. Please retract at least about how a CEO can’t act like an artist.
relax, they don't need to run a retraction. this is a watch channel meant for entertainment. this is not the news. if i or christian wants to say journe is a pedo than so be it. it's your responsiblity to assess what your truth is. this is a big boy world. no one is going to hold our hands.
I agree 👍
I watched this really hoping to hear what FPJ said or did. Without that it’s hard to form a view.
History is filled with flawed controversial creative geniuses that didn’t conform or act appropriately but that didn’t impact the demand or value of their legacy (from Picasso to Michael Jackson to Elon Musk!)
Is FP Journe a disrupter/maverick/loose cannon or is there something more sinister/morally wrong that completely destroys what the brand stands for and any association with it is tarnished (akin to Harvey Weinstein).
I’ve no vested interest either way but without understanding this detail it’s very hard to have an opinion
This is the best way to look at it, in my perspective.
He could've said something that I agree with and just isn't what's considered Kosher these days; or he could've said something that repulses me and I'll .... still probably buy one when they're cheaper lol
if it's the latter than that's the time to buy. who cares about the person behind the brand. we collect watches not morals and values.
Exactly. My opinion on the topic is going to be veey different if he hit on someone's wife vs if he turns out to be a nazi or a pedo
I totally agree with you. We live in a cancel culture, and unless we know what was said, it’s hard take a position. But I don’t insinuations without knowing what was said or done. Nico was not at the said dinner -it’s all heresay so far. Until we know
They deleted an entire comment thread with at least a hundred thumbs up discussing about their problematic sponsorship with fake fragrances. How disappointing.
no one cares about real or fake fragrances.
inb4 Journe said he hates collectors at that tier because they're hoarders and that watches are shit investments
Kudos to Journe for speaking the truth.
What is inb4?
I'm inclined to think that F.P. despises those who only buy his watches because they expect them to appreciate (e.g. O'Leary).
EG, Theo and Harris
This video is assuming 1 thing. That Nico is telling the truth and that he didn’t make up stories for likes
I never have and i never will🫡
@@NicoLeonardgood shit
I think a few things have to be considered. 1: The watch world, collectors/sellers will cling onto anything in hopes of giving a timepiece more provenance, so there definitely will be "Pre/Post Journe passing" watches. 2: If the quality and perceived rarity of the products remains the same, I doubt it will have a drastic influence on how the brand is placed in the market. Maybe just a slight knock, given part of the charm of Journe is that it's being pushed by the vision of one man. After Enzo Ferrari died, the company persisted as a iconic brand, although these situations don't come around too often.
Fair point but Ferrari was a much bigger scale mostly because of the racing.
The brand literally gets carried by the Tifosi. Most of them not even able to purchase the main product, cars.
to the second point of yours: Absolutely, if the watches keep being as good as they are or possibly even better, very few will care about his reputation and what he said/did or not. Not to mention, Ferrari is in high high demand even though it's incredibly poorly build and unreliable, because people want what is hard to get.
FAKE has got to be the most ironic sponsor for T&H :P You guys rly don't see the watch parallel? "Why spend all that money, when you can get the same for way less" I mean, c'mon :D I got all those replicas and homages in front of my eyes, instantly, where this channel is all about sincerity, honesty and genuine takes.
Is it any different than brand X making a tank style watch?
It's not.
@@davidma1304no, and that's the point
I don't mind in the slightest that Mr. FP Journe likes to stick his elbow out, whether in private or in public.
A genius is a genius and his circumstances. I recommend you to watch the movie "Sweet and Lowdown" by W. Allen.
The final work is important, not the creator.
what did he say? what are the rumors of what he said?
Jackson Pollock, Francis Bacon, Van Gogh, Paul Gauguin, Toulouse-Lautrec, Jean-Michel Basquiat, Mark Rothko, Picasso…all loved to party/drink. Their art was an expression of their lifestyle. It’s the same with F.P. Journe. He’s an artist equal to the creative geniuses mentioned above. Collectors know this. They get it. They appreciate an artists bright side, and, dark side. Collectors understand that this is where their creativity and originality comes from. Perhaps some ‘investors’ don’t. You two have totally missed the mark on this one. I’ll attribute it to your age and lack of knowledge and experience with artists. Salute 🥂🍾
Indeed
It does not matter what they think - it matters what the market things. We have your perspective and theirs, which one will be the dominanting one. Lets see.
The idea that someone gets a pass for acting like a twat simply because he's good at making watches is plainly stupid.
"his age and culture, are not necessarily, in concert with modern times..."
Oh god here we go, younger people being offended by everything. I'm already feeling like this whole thing is massively overblown. People say dumb sh-t when they're drunk, usually the first thing that comes to their head, with no filter. I challenge anyone to tell me they've never said anything revolting when they're drunk...
When's O'leary unloading... lol.
that's the time to buy...when fools sell.
@@johnriesling2207 You'd have to be a fool to spend the money on a Journe in the first place. 10 years ago prices were fair for their level of finishing.
What did FP say at that dinner ??? Was it really this bad !
He said he will never sell you any watch even over his dead body :D
He thinks these types of collectors are pieces of shit. He puts his heart and soul into his watches, he's literally dedicated his entire life to horology. These speculative collectors only see dollar signs, and are shutting out those whom he sees as deserving from owning his time pieces.
He is not the only CEO who sticks their foot in their mouth. Wont name names but we all know the most public ones.
Trump
Screw political correctness!
Sounds like prime time to buy a Journe.
All publicity is good publicity, ask Kim Kardashian… proud to have purchased a Journe!
FP is a horological genius without doubt and his watches speak for themselves. I hope the prices drop so I can acquire more!
+1
Indeed sir
I see you RIchard :D
Totally agree. This is stupid talk Rich!!
This is my take. They're still the most amazing watches in the world in my view. Truly gorgeous.
Unclassy video Chris.
Ironic sponsor. Why not get Steinhart to sponsor the next one.
I remember Christian drinking with the Timepiece Gentlemen. Should he be removed as CEO?
I cannot believe this is a thing. Men can never ever say again that women are all about gossip and drama when all these grown ass men are talking about a guy who talked some shit while he was drunk. This is having me question myself that i am into watches if other people who are into watches get so bent out of shape or this is even a topic!! Good Everyone sell their Journe, I will buy it and wear it with pride.
Ehhh, yes but no. This isn't quite the same, this is: "The CEO gets really drunk and says stupid, offensive shit in public" - *that* absolutely is a problem if you've got investments that can be affected by the behavior of said CEO.
@@LanguagesWithAndrewinvestment being the problem here. You bought a fucking watch, next time get some stocks.
I would love to see the values tank so I could finally afford to buy a Chronomètre Bleu
Honestly, without knowing what he actually said everything is irrelevant, people get offended for nothing nowadays, I would not surprised if the phrase the offended the collector that left had me clapping instead.
I’m guessing it was antisemitism
@@johnbrennan592 Well if it was, I'm sure some of its collector would appreciate that, while others would totally condemn it.
Odd video without knowing what was said, ?
@@johnbrennan592 Antisemitism and racism has lost its meaning. Everyone throws around those words to discredit people. Unless Journe said lets lock up and murder every jew than i doubt he is an antisemite.
In a parallel universe, F.P Journe is probably drinking his champagne, watching this video and declaring you two gay and i might have to agree with him 😂
How about a young vintage / used watch salesman who provides a well known watch youtube channel, yet sells malfunctining watches and is dishonest enough not to stand behind products he sells with Zero true aftersales customer care of any shape or form. At the end FP Journe is just a watch maker an Artist who in this case happened to be off his main scope of productive work, not an influencer or a RUclipsr, the problem can be for me whether he is drunk while making a watch or not. If you are in fine arts you would wish to own a Picasso's or Dali's art work regardless of their well known notorious and abusive characters. Stop this sprouting this naivety BS.
Ever heard of Franck Muller? Although he destroyed his brand bc he watered down his pieces. And not bc of too much cocaine use.
Yeah right, he was selling tens of millions or more, no man could put a dent into that with any drug addiction. His nose would fall off first
My last year of WOSTEP in 2004 I actually met Francios (and Christophe Claret & Frank Müller) thru a friend in Geneva. They were just back from St Tropez and even 20 years ago it was obvious these guys liked to party hard. And yes, they really did the whole "party" thing. Wonderful guys though but definitely exentric.
Just how I'd want them to be; the watch world is so full of creepy, white color wankers... nice to know there are still some REAL HUMAN BEINGS alive.
Do we know what he said?
I was very blue collar when I met FP in NYC… I had him sign the owners manual for my Chrono Bleu…. I think that will add value… Imagine if you had a Breguet today signed by Breguet…. Who knew his foibles?
But if F.P. bit the dust tomorrow, would his company still stick around to service your watch? If not, who will service such a unique movement, and will they service it properly? This is the reason why larger brands with centuries of history and stability (i.e. Patek Philippe) are consistently considered the pinnacle of watch manufacturing and branding. These are companies that have transcended just a single individual.
His company has partners and those who own and manage the boutiques… the patents he owns are probably worth fortunes… I am completely convinced that his brand would live on…. Kind of like Breguet, the master watchmaker of his time…. Almost 300 years ago, and now owned by one of the watch conglomerates, same with Lange and Sohn…. No worries for future maintenance…
@@ItsNeverTooHot4Leather yes. There is a longterm management process.
cringe
damn this whole comment section is one of the most pretentious comment sections ive ever seen, yall whinging and crying about a sponsor that produces fragrances. yall really need to grow tf up
Fake Frangences, and vitange Watches!!! 😮😮😮 I don't get it.
$315usd strap, but think fragrance is overpriced. Yikes
And the source of this info/allegation is Nico Baggins, therefore must be 100% accurate 🙄
Did he say something outrageous like there’s only 2 genders, men can’t get pregnant and they shouldn’t play in women’s sports? Oh the horror! 🙄
Buy Steinhart! Why waste money on the Rolex!!!
buy casio. why waste money on the steinhart.
What F.P. Journe said has nothing to do with the quality of the brand’s watches. Cancel culture is a social cancer. Hate the player not the game.
It is a show about nothing
Steve Jobs' reputation never hurt Apple, I think anything short of FPJ being a ped.o, the brand is fine
Finaly you guy guys moved the mics :)
This is great guys. It’s great to hear about other watch brand news
“I was too late to the party, and it’s too expensive.” I’m sure you are trying to speak a weak Journe market into existence, but we will go ahead and revisit this and any follow-up “Nico Scoop” in the next 3-4 days, months, or years. I look forward to seeing how this ages. It reminds me of a Horological version of the Cancel movement started by a rumor of someone who saw something and some scandalous pictures, all peddled by Fake Perfume pushers. 😂. Come on guy
This is a good example why watches are not a good investment.
My word that watch looks so good on Christian's wrist!
What is it?
Could be a Rolex King Midas or Piaget Polo.
EVERYTHING you SAID about FRAGRANCES is WHAT someone WHO is UNEDUCATED about WATCHES, AS you SEEM to be ABOUT fragrances, would SAY about WATCHES...INTERESTING...#GiveMeJESUS
Allegedly he said some very racist stuff and then harassed a female waiter that was serving them. It was so serious, that all 20 collectors got up, paid what they consumed and left. The next days a lot of watch dealers received requests to help some collectors sell their FP's. That man and 🍷 don't mix well.
I saw F.P. Journe at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Wait, what?!!!!!!!! That’s insane.
This can’t be real 😂😂😂
He resides in Switzerland. What date did you see him?
Your point is well made. People, like the two immature stooges in the above video, are quick to believe anything and spread false rumors without checking sources. 1) Mr. Journe lives in Geneva, not LA. 2) Mr. Journe would never go near the sugary wax that passes for American chocolate, especially a Milky Way candy bar. And 3) Mr. Journe does not speak English.
“A lie travels halfway around the world before the truth can put its boots on.”
This is a copy pasta
editing error at 12:42!!!
😮 Bold move by F.P. Journe, hope it works out! 👍
Whatever he said I bet it was based and would make me want to collect the watches way more lol
A French excentric watchmaker in his years that likes to drink,… i really wonder what people expected to hear. How could you think that his opinions would be culturally acceptible? As long he didn’t break a law… who cares?
Reminds me off a sketch from Bill Burr where he states a situation when an interview is given with an old blue collared man,… where and when did he grow up? How can you be surprized?
Seems to me that you buy a watch that you like, thats all. Don’t fancy the whole “a person is a brand” thing, don’t buy into it. The biggest saint in public just hides something, we are all imperfect. Better to expect it.
Good day to you all and lets all be more accepting to our other human fellows.
Michael is like the ozone: we need him more than we think and he needs to be protected.
We really don’t need him and more so then that, we don’t need weirdos like you.
He probably said something about the Israel Palestine war
if he did, respect to him. too many snowflakes out there.
If fragrances are overpriced, what are watches? 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Hearsay and without any detail of what was actually said. This is a terrible, vapid video. Stand up and produce facts like a man or say nothing. This is pretty close to a smear piece.
I posted the same thing on Nico's video. If someone has proof that he's a bad guy, then say what he did. If not, it's pretty scummy to fuel speculation and rumors.
@@briancook9165fueling speculation and rumor in the pre-owned watch world. What’s new?
They are market makers. There is an upcoming auction and they are trying to suppress the prices. Tim Mosso has done the same thing, as have others. “It’s not personal, it’s business”!
disagree. this is a watch youtube channel for goodness sakes. stop taking it so serious. if journes is a antisemite, who cares. if journes a drunk, who cares. if journe got frisky with a collector, who cares.
Leave guy alone, he worked hard to get where he is, he can say whatever he wants even if upset someone who cares
Who care?? Would you buy Picasso’s paint? If he smokes weed?? FPJ is an artist. Ppl who knows the real value of his art work wouldn’t care abt what he did in public, but focus on his work. No drama
I am waiting for the secondary market of FP Journe to collapse so I can pick one up for the price of a Rolex Submariner :D
All artists are nuts so live with it. The idea of buying watches for investment is a bullshit if you need good investment maybe try real estate maybe.
Love the "blue horseshoe" reference... Christian going full Gordon Gecko.
So..... fake watches BAD but Fake Fragrances GOOD?!? 🤔
To me, if you see watches as an investment, you don't deserve these watches
You don't get the kind of money needed to own a collection like that without seeing them as investment
Christian Is Going To Destroy His Brand. When he gets too drunk and demands anyone who doesn't own Belgian loafers can't shop on his website
So freshing. In a world where money is the only goal for the majority, a founder that doesn't give a bleep a bout hurting his brand. That is an artist
There aren't many famous artists out there that were stable. I mean Van Gogh cut off his ear, Andy Warhol was a nutter, Munch, Goya, O'Keefe, the list goes on. I think it kind of comes with the territory.
This is not a good post… this is rumor mongering
You guys make enough to have some integrity in your brand sponsorship choices. I request that you consider revaluating your current choices.
This is typical overthinking.....most geniuses are "mad" or seem "strange" to the rest of us, they are outliers and that's why they produce the exceptional and he hasn't actually done anything criminal....on the other hand i hope you succeed in destroying his brand so i can get my hands on one of his masterpieces or maybe that is what you are after for your own benefit?
2:15 Just so you know, Michael said Papi says weird shit anyways x-D
CHRISTIAN AND MICHAEL.... in the words of brandon tatum from officer tatum channel - "is he wrong though?" his comments on watch collectors does it not ring some truth? does he care about what other people think about him or does he care about the opinion people have towards his work
I do enjoy both of you and your channel. I couldn’t watch Nico and or his inane channel. Hope you guys enjoyed your Holiday.
ABD FUNNY THAT NICO MENTIONS THIS VIDEO. AND YOU MENTIONING HIM IN YOURS
I don’t care what he said, if his watches are quality it doesn’t matter.
A good move by FP Journe, a true artist, only those who really like his watches can stay was what he's thinking I guess.
Lol a true artist that's selling a 10k watch for 90k.
fingers crossed that he said something like "people in gaza are human beings" and now I'll be able to afford one someday!
Really?!?! GOOD. I’ll buy my Chronomat Bleu as soon as the big sell off starts. 🙄 So he gets drunk. So what?? 😑
It’s fine to have an opinion. What both of you can try is to own a piece of FJP’s creations and experiencing it as a true watch enthusiast and then share your experience of FPJ’s creations instead of gossiping the master’s private life and making suggestions about the future value of FPJ for year to come. Or like other YTs to meet and have a drink and meal with the master and report your experience. #The art of FPJ❤ is all I care🤩 #Go FPJ🍸🍾🌹
Go wash the taste of his dick out of your mouth and then come back and talk to us like an adult.
For fucks sake…
A good point made well Eskimo! 🎉
The podcast have more adds per minute than the sky have strs per meter.
Dude no they are not!!
This Piaget is fantastic.
You remember Franck Muller ? Same journey , but with heavier stuff...
who cares what he said or what he did. The watches they make are amazing! that's all that matters for watch lovers.
I really want a Chronomtre Blue, all good news to me. 😂 Anything that makes prices come down!
That wine glass…. Note, don't buy your stemware at the dollar store.
he was an unruly child and now is an unruly old man😂
“Whether you are an FP Journe guy…”
A genius can do everything he wants…like a rock star, those are another league kind of people…how much he drink won’t effect his ability to be a genius it could actually help him in the process!!
watch nerds need to remember these watch makers are closer to the category of 'artists' than they are of 'ceo'. i don't mind artists going crazy. it's part of their creative process.
Absolument !@@johnriesling2207
You guys are totally overreacting
Even a little proof would be nice. T)
Hey guys, why spend all that money on luxury watches like the ones in the Theo and Harris site when you can just buy a FAKE watch for less! Looks the same just like FAKE fragrances smell the same...WTF worst fitting sponsor I've seen in a while
So there's a chance i might be able to afford an Elegante again before he dies