as a pistons fan, i remember exactly where i was and what i was doing when i heard that we traded billups for iverson. sad day. i knew it wouldnt work. its been downhill since then
I was a Nets fan back then and remember his Pistons debut...I was expecting a beat down because the Nets hadn't beaten the Pistons since like 2004 when they still had Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin...the fact that they got the W was kind of a sign the Pistons were done already lol
When I heard about the Iverson trade it was 6:00am and I was waiting at the bus stop because I was in middle school at the time.And one of the guys at the bus stop was very happy and said this was an amazing trade, and now the Pistons have true talent but it’s funny looking at it now, because the Pistons became a mediocre to bad team because of the trade and they’ve never really recovered since that trade. It marked the end of the golden era, of pistons basketball and they’ve been so bad to mediocre since what a memorable moment for me as a Pistons fan.
A Detroit resident here, this comment is 100% accurate 😂😂😂😂😂 One of my friends worked at one of the casinos and he said A.I. would be so reckless in the casinos lol
Iverson should’ve been signed by the Heat during the big 3. Better than what we had. And he was still a skilled PG lost in the ocean. With no value. One more chance to win a title.
Honestly I don't think he had anything left in the tank by that time(2010) he had just done that farewell tour for Philly and the player I saw was not going to help a winning team, the reasons he didn't win a championship only became more apparent once his athleticism had left.
@@VKED23 I think him seeing 1 last opportunity to win a title would’ve gave him some motivation even if it was for a yr or 2. Better than a even more washed Mike bibby
AI could not humble himself and turn into a role player and transition to a player/coach role he would of extended his career by at least 3-5 years with 1-2 6th man of the year trophies
that pistons team was trash having him come off the bench made no sense..u don’t come off the bench on a bad team u come off the bench to help a good team
The coach was terrible. They should've tried Rip coming off the bench. And Rodney Stuckey was the closest thing they had to a point guard at the time I believe.
i've watched a few of your nba videos and they were all amazing. I know your channel is going to blow up any minute if you keep up this level of good quality / content. Keep it up!
I see someone is running away from J Kidd on his second stint on the mavs or his last year on the knicks, but i will continue until that day comes, my friend
Great vid. I agree with your Answer (lol), but I think it's worth mentioning Iverson did have a decent month with DET. In the month of December, he averaged 18.4 on 45% shooting and 5.7 assists. The team was 9-5 in that month, and ended the month on a 5-game win streak. Like I said, I do agree with your final opinion though. He had some rough times from an efficiency standpoint, and the team didn't mesh well. Trading Chauncey was a really unpopular move with DET fans, and it only got more frustrating to see Chauncey have one of the best individual seasons of his career in Denver. The end of Iverson's career is really interesting to compare to Vince Carter's. Vince went from being The Man on his teams in Toronto and NJ to a 3rd option guy, to a 6th man, to a role player. He understood what it took to prolong his career and gracefully took lesser roles than the ones he used to have in his prime. If AI took a page out of Vince's book, he would have been more effective in his twilight years, and could have extended his career a little. He wouldn't have been Allen Iverson if he did though!
I think when it comes to draft picks and trades since around 2010, I feel like that comes down to both smart GMs valuing draft picks more, and also looking at the trades in the late 2000's and early 2010's. So you look at say the Ray Allen/Keven Garnett trades and they had a lot of players, but obviously neither package really lined up with those players, and both the Sonics and Timberwolves were on the path to rebuild afterwards. Look at the Carmelo trade and there are a lot of picks almost by nessesity, but also young players and ultimately those picks and players lead to the one year of Andre Iggodala, but also to pieces of the 2023 championship team. The Dwight Howard trade included draft picks that all went to the Magic, and even if they didn't come out of it well, they came out of it far better than anyone else (getting the best player not on a one or no year deal helped as well). And to stop it getting too long, you have the three Nets trades. The one for Deron Williams was mostly a few first rounders and a young Derrick Favors, which while the Jazz doesn't do much with it, there is a lot of potential there for creating a great team. They then traded for Gerald Wallace from Portland with a draft pick that became Damian Lillard (second year a star guard being drafted with a pick in a bad trade). Then just because they hadn't learned their lessons, they traded the farm to Boston that directly built their current team. If you look at that and understand what resulted, you can understand why teams like OKC demanded so many picks when breaking up the Paul George/Russell Westbrook teams, and then with how that has continued to drive how modern star trades are going.
@@TeeJohnson-bv1mj I think he could’ve held on longer if he had a gym routine 1-2x/week because he got by on grit and toughness his whole career but Father Time is undefeated and it told his body it was over.
Why would Detroit make a trade for him if they knew his ISO style play wasn’t a fit for the team? Seems ridiculous to me. Could’ve used him better in 2000. By the time he came, it was too late. Same w when T Mac came here.
A.I. was beyond washed when he came to Detroit. I’m from Detroit and I used to see him at the casino I worked at. He gambled a lot and he stayed drunk. He was far from the Allen iverson we fell in love with in Philly. I don’t think no one remembers his short stint in Detroit, truthfully I forgot about it until I clicked this video lol.
let me school you YoungN the spacing in early 2000s was clogged no shooting stupid 3s so players like Kobe A.I. T-Mac had to go get shots while being primarily scorer game plan stop these guys todays league much more space so shots will b more efficient simple learn basketball 🏀
GP in traded for Ray Allen was one of the the craziest trades I remember seeing. Kids know Jesus Shuttlesworth from Boston and "the shot" with Miami, but he was a superstar at the end of his run with the Bucks and in Seattle. I don't know how or why they thought GP was fair value in a trade. He signed with the Lakers the next year as the 4th option
@southbeachtalent Agreed bucks/sonics ray allen was NASTY. People forget how good that guy was when he was the go to guy . Greatest shooter ever in my opinion
@@mykelotan3752 he still started 50 of the 54 games he played in. So if he came off the bench and then cried about it kick rocks. He was straight out of the shower when he got to Detriot anyway. A way overrated volume shooter. Shooting in the 30’s from the floor is awful.
He was without a doubt past his prime but I think he was only there to attract jersey sales. I think aging took a toll on him but overall I thought he did OK. A prime example of why you don't overpay for players past their prime.
Love AI on the sixers one of my favourite players when I was in high school I had his 76ers jersey and wore it all the time but he was AWFUL on the pistons .
The answer is no. I work with a guy who is a former piston employee. He was a personal driver. His job during iversons era was to follow him to see what he was up to. Mostly monitoring his casino visits. Iverson was also banned from two Detroit casinos.
Detroit wasn't contending for a chip if Iverson came off the bench. He needs a lot of shots in his late career due to refs holding the whistle due to being assholes. Coming off the bench was stupid. Send him to the Lakers and make him come off the bench. A team that's sitting mid in the playoffs? No, he can start and you use the income he brought in during Free Agency....just a ridiculous idea. A team struggling to be in championship contention is asking ALLEN IVERSON to come off the bench after AvG over 29PPG with Denver with high Steals and Assist.
The only wrong info I got was the trade with billups. You said the exchange A.I for billups and mcdyese. Mcdyese was playing with the pistons with Allen iverson all the year
No. Year's of not taking dieting and conditioning serious had caught up with him by that time and he was no longer the answer. Still good but nowhere near a Great player anymore...
@@Doknot-tb9ey career high 50 piece in Detroit head to head wid Gianni’s on one leg him and Drummond could have done something in the east if not for injuries
Alright I realized my mistake, AI doesn’t have dreads he has braids. Forgive me for my lack of hair knowledge😂
you get one pass and that’s it
Wrong again. He didn't have braids. He had cornrows.
as a pistons fan, i remember exactly where i was and what i was doing when i heard that we traded billups for iverson. sad day. i knew it wouldnt work. its been downhill since then
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@@GeneseeExplorer☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾
I was a Nets fan back then and remember his Pistons debut...I was expecting a beat down because the Nets hadn't beaten the Pistons since like 2004 when they still had Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin...the fact that they got the W was kind of a sign the Pistons were done already lol
When I heard about the Iverson trade it was 6:00am and I was waiting at the bus stop because I was in middle school at the time.And one of the guys at the bus stop was very happy and said this was an amazing trade, and now the Pistons have true talent but it’s funny looking at it now, because the Pistons became a mediocre to bad team because of the trade and they’ve never really recovered since that trade. It marked the end of the golden era, of pistons basketball and they’ve been so bad to mediocre since what a memorable moment for me as a Pistons fan.
Yup
This is where I started really believing in fit being almost more important than skill
We love A.I. in Detroit but he spent more time at the Casinos and TGI Fridays than he did on the court while he was with the Pistons 😂
Damn lol
@@86Sentrahe isn't wrong tho. He was washed after by the time he signed here and thought he should still be starting...
Swear to god no cap seen him tgif
A Detroit resident here, this comment is 100% accurate 😂😂😂😂😂 One of my friends worked at one of the casinos and he said A.I. would be so reckless in the casinos lol
i ain't hear one lie.
Iverson should’ve been signed by the Heat during the big 3. Better than what we had. And he was still a skilled PG lost in the ocean. With no value. One more chance to win a title.
Honestly I don't think he had anything left in the tank by that time(2010) he had just done that farewell tour for Philly and the player I saw was not going to help a winning team, the reasons he didn't win a championship only became more apparent once his athleticism had left.
@@VKED23 I think him seeing 1 last opportunity to win a title would’ve gave him some motivation even if it was for a yr or 2. Better than a even more washed Mike bibby
AI could not humble himself and turn into a role player and transition to a player/coach role he would of extended his career by at least 3-5 years with 1-2 6th man of the year trophies
What😅😅 he was washed
@@geraldjohnson8929 so was Mike Bibby🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Iverson didn't have dreads,he had Braids two different hair styles.😅
that pistons team was trash having him come off the bench made no sense..u don’t come off the bench on a bad team u come off the bench to help a good team
The coach was terrible. They should've tried Rip coming off the bench. And Rodney Stuckey was the closest thing they had to a point guard at the time I believe.
@@zay1521 Iverson started for Pistons so I’m not sure what you’re talking about
He started 50 of 54 games he played for them…
Dreads is crazy
Scottie Pippen on the Portland Trailblazers
Worse
He was definitely good on the Trail Blazers, now the rockets, that's interesting
The first Jersey I ever owned was a Iverson Sixers jersey
Appreciate the shout out! And nice video my guy 👌🏾
i've watched a few of your nba videos and they were all amazing. I know your channel is going to blow up any minute if you keep up this level of good quality / content. Keep it up!
I see someone is running away from J Kidd on his second stint on the mavs or his last year on the knicks, but i will continue until that day comes, my friend
Great vid.
I agree with your Answer (lol), but I think it's worth mentioning Iverson did have a decent month with DET. In the month of December, he averaged 18.4 on 45% shooting and 5.7 assists. The team was 9-5 in that month, and ended the month on a 5-game win streak.
Like I said, I do agree with your final opinion though. He had some rough times from an efficiency standpoint, and the team didn't mesh well. Trading Chauncey was a really unpopular move with DET fans, and it only got more frustrating to see Chauncey have one of the best individual seasons of his career in Denver.
The end of Iverson's career is really interesting to compare to Vince Carter's. Vince went from being The Man on his teams in Toronto and NJ to a 3rd option guy, to a 6th man, to a role player. He understood what it took to prolong his career and gracefully took lesser roles than the ones he used to have in his prime.
If AI took a page out of Vince's book, he would have been more effective in his twilight years, and could have extended his career a little. He wouldn't have been Allen Iverson if he did though!
Absolutely loving this series, been sharing with friends too. Such a great concept and it’s certainly gonna blow you up in the NBA analysis niche !
Man I remember the pistons came to my elementary school and i was so excited to see AI, whole team showed up except for him i was so disappointed lol
I think when it comes to draft picks and trades since around 2010, I feel like that comes down to both smart GMs valuing draft picks more, and also looking at the trades in the late 2000's and early 2010's.
So you look at say the Ray Allen/Keven Garnett trades and they had a lot of players, but obviously neither package really lined up with those players, and both the Sonics and Timberwolves were on the path to rebuild afterwards. Look at the Carmelo trade and there are a lot of picks almost by nessesity, but also young players and ultimately those picks and players lead to the one year of Andre Iggodala, but also to pieces of the 2023 championship team. The Dwight Howard trade included draft picks that all went to the Magic, and even if they didn't come out of it well, they came out of it far better than anyone else (getting the best player not on a one or no year deal helped as well). And to stop it getting too long, you have the three Nets trades. The one for Deron Williams was mostly a few first rounders and a young Derrick Favors, which while the Jazz doesn't do much with it, there is a lot of potential there for creating a great team. They then traded for Gerald Wallace from Portland with a draft pick that became Damian Lillard (second year a star guard being drafted with a pick in a bad trade). Then just because they hadn't learned their lessons, they traded the farm to Boston that directly built their current team.
If you look at that and understand what resulted, you can understand why teams like OKC demanded so many picks when breaking up the Paul George/Russell Westbrook teams, and then with how that has continued to drive how modern star trades are going.
I only remember him on da 76's and nuggets lol
made this fast asl🔥😂
Adrian Dantley on the Jazz.. I would love if someone calls out those 6 empty 30 ppg black hole seasons
"in suits, like they were going to church!" 😂 ..& A.I the greatest to do it...!!
When he got to the Pistons his physical condition fell off a cliff. All his relentless play the previous 10+ years clearly took its toll.
Do you think if he had 4 years off before coming to the pistons he could eve dominated 33-37? My question is does wear & tear matter
@@TeeJohnson-bv1mj I think he could’ve held on longer if he had a gym routine 1-2x/week because he got by on grit and toughness his whole career but Father Time is undefeated and it told his body it was over.
He was giving into his vices by the time he ended up with Detroit. Drinking and gambling
@@davidkruse4030yup
Dominque Wilkins on the Clippers
Keep up the goos work man ❤
Seattle SuperSonics/Orlando Patrick Ewing or Gary Payton and his stint with other teams
0:55 I hope you weren't trying to infer Iverson had Dreads lol
I should’ve said cornrows, that’s my b
Joe D hiring his buddy Michael Curry instead of going to get a real coach was ultimately the AI led Pistons demise
Why would Detroit make a trade for him if they knew his ISO style play wasn’t a fit for the team? Seems ridiculous to me. Could’ve used him better in 2000. By the time he came, it was too late. Same w when T Mac came here.
A.I. was beyond washed when he came to Detroit. I’m from Detroit and I used to see him at the casino I worked at. He gambled a lot and he stayed drunk. He was far from the Allen iverson we fell in love with in Philly. I don’t think no one remembers his short stint in Detroit, truthfully I forgot about it until I clicked this video lol.
Wow, and you seen him in person 😂
@@HakeemTheDream616 yes
Who care about inefficiency in the 2000s I wish hoop media stop mentioning different era efficiency’s
Why do you wish they'd stop? Inefficient scoring is inefficient scoring no matter the era
let me school you YoungN the spacing in early 2000s was clogged no shooting stupid 3s so players like Kobe A.I. T-Mac had to go get shots while being primarily scorer game plan stop these guys todays league much more space so shots will b more efficient simple learn basketball 🏀
Can you take a look back at Pau Gasol on the bulls? The bulls are my fav team I remember him going crazy for us some games
I remember when he got traded to the nuggets I thought him and melo were going to be amazing
2nd time, Vince Carter in the 2010s, Paul Pierce after the Celtics, and the glove after Seattle
@@oakshrorgaming I said the same with Paul pierce after the Celtics
GP in traded for Ray Allen was one of the the craziest trades I remember seeing. Kids know Jesus Shuttlesworth from Boston and "the shot" with Miami, but he was a superstar at the end of his run with the Bucks and in Seattle. I don't know how or why they thought GP was fair value in a trade. He signed with the Lakers the next year as the 4th option
@southbeachtalent Agreed bucks/sonics ray allen was NASTY. People forget how good that guy was when he was the go to guy . Greatest shooter ever in my opinion
Yo loved it man! Thank you
I would love to see a video about Michael Redd
The fact that detroit mgmt wanted him benched for their "future franchise" Rodney Stuckey after an efficient 27ppg prior season is horrendous.
Dude started 50 of 54 for Detriot. What are you talking about?
@@dcouwlier he was shut down by michael curry before the season ends due for refusing for coming off the bench.
@@mykelotan3752 he still started 50 of the 54 games he played in. So if he came off the bench and then cried about it kick rocks. He was straight out of the shower when he got to Detriot anyway.
A way overrated volume shooter. Shooting in the 30’s from the floor is awful.
@@dcouwlier he had 41.6%fg during detroit and 45.8%fg prior season which he avg 26.4ppg 7.2apg 1.8spg 3rpg in Denver.
@@mykelotan3752 you do know 41% is insufficient for 2 pt fd %.
Like o said he’s a volume shooter that will shoot you out of a game.
I remember this trade and his time in Detroit like it was yesterday. And the best way to describe AI for the Detroit pistons was....MID
CARMELO ANTHONY on the PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS - would love to see it, sir!
What about MJ his last days on the bulls and comeback for the wizards?
Do rodman after chi next
The Pistons reached the Eastern Conference Finals in 2008. I wouldn't say that year was a failure.
You wouldn’t think so, but I guess Dumars was sick of losing in the conference finals with the same core
Speaking of Former pistons players; id like to throw Tayshaun Prince on Grizzlies for a video idea.
He was without a doubt past his prime but I think he was only there to attract jersey sales. I think aging took a toll on him but overall I thought he did OK. A prime example of why you don't overpay for players past their prime.
Vince Carter after the nets
Love AI on the sixers one of my favourite players when I was in high school I had his 76ers jersey and wore it all the time but he was AWFUL on the pistons .
Iverson on the Grizzlies
Can you do Ewing on the magic/supersonics
Kings and Hawks Vince Carter pls
Blake Griffin on the Detroit Pistons or CWebb on the 76ers
Karl Malone with the Lakers
If it wasn't his way he def gonna quit is what I remember like he had to be the number 1 option all the time
We're talking about practice 🤣🤣
I think trading Chauncey cursed us lol
The answer is no. I work with a guy who is a former piston employee. He was a personal driver. His job during iversons era was to follow him to see what he was up to. Mostly monitoring his casino visits.
Iverson was also banned from two Detroit casinos.
That’s crazy. What in the world did he do to get banned?
Another you could do is Seattle supersonics pat ewing
Do Derrick Coleman
Tracy Mcgrady after the rockets
At the time of the trade, I knew it was gonna end up being a bad deal for Detroit, but I was incensed they gave him Chauncey's #1.
Rodney stucky had his number so i can see why
Tracy Mcgrady Knicks 😂😂
Yooooo I forgot about Detroit Iverson! How about Sixers C-Webb?
If AI went to Cleveland with young lebron they at least going to the ECF
For more information btw on Iverson Vs Larry Brown, SB Nation has a great video on RUclips covering this beef. Just to lyk
Always loved SB Nation. Their stuff is top tier
3:24 Can anyone confirm whether or not this is Chuck at the free throw line? Looks like Barkley to me
That’s likely Derrick Coleman
carmelo on OKC 🔥
please don’t call braids dreads bro😭 you should do wizards mj lowkey
Robert Parish on the Bulls
How about Pedrag Stojakovic as a Hornet 🐝
Detroit wasn't contending for a chip if Iverson came off the bench. He needs a lot of shots in his late career due to refs holding the whistle due to being assholes. Coming off the bench was stupid. Send him to the Lakers and make him come off the bench. A team that's sitting mid in the playoffs? No, he can start and you use the income he brought in during Free Agency....just a ridiculous idea. A team struggling to be in championship contention is asking ALLEN IVERSON to come off the bench after AvG over 29PPG with Denver with high Steals and Assist.
No disrespect Iverson took that team to the playoffs 8 times, so your information is lil off and that Philly team was ass !!
exactly
17.4 on 42% isnt good ???
They wasn’t winning an he couldn’t hide his defense with his offense anymore
Incredible lack of context, but good video...i guess
Penny Hardaway for the Suns
Peja after Kings
Wizards Jordan?
You didn't put no context in nothing you violated
Especially with the whole "efficiency" talks, these people always do that
Ai was better wasting money at motorcity casino than his time on the detroit pistons.
What about Paul pierce on the clippers or Tony Parker on hornets?
Paul piece on the clippers was ass bro
@@ClippersRunLA I wanna hear HIM talk bout it not you lol
And he’s goes in detail about other things so
@@mikemurray8562 🤣🤣🤣 imma real Clipper fan imma tell u like it is
Karl Malone Laker stint. & Vlade Divac returning to Lakers in 2005
Bro some info u got incorrect
What info exactly?
The only wrong info I got was the trade with billups. You said the exchange A.I for billups and mcdyese. Mcdyese was playing with the pistons with Allen iverson all the year
Well, he was traded to Denver, but he got bought out of his contract and signed back with the Pistons.
@@YoungMoneySports true
Hornets Tony Parker
just to let yk AI had braids not dreads
Yeah someone else mentioned that earlier that’s my b
@@YoungMoneySports all good man been messing with your “was he any good” series. wish all the success for you🤝
Dumb question he was good till the end just asking the question is stoopid
White Chocolate after Sacramento.
No. Year's of not taking dieting and conditioning serious had caught up with him by that time and he was no longer the answer. Still good but nowhere near a Great player anymore...
Weak video
No he was a drunk bum who hung out in the casino total crap.
No. Absolutely pathetic.
Blake in Detroit ???
Blake was still awesome with the Pistons before injuries ruined the rest of his career.
@@Doknot-tb9ey yes I know but I kinda want more of an emphasis on how good he actually was!
@@Doknot-tb9ey career high 50 piece in Detroit head to head wid Gianni’s on one leg him and Drummond could have done something in the east if not for injuries
@@ClippersRunLA Oh, I got you.
Great unbiased report🫱🏽🫲🏾👏🏾
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