Hey you should watch some of the scenes in the anime like zoro nothing happened, robin I want to live. Etc. whitebeards death ace death, Marco vs Kizaru
@@Greendalewitch You do realize that saying "shhhh" when someone says something really vague like that is worse than them saying it in the first place, right?
I highly recommend watching Zoro's 'nothing happened' scene in the anime, along with Brook's song scene. They are both quite iconic and hit very hard emotionally.
Moriah is written as a failed version of luffy. A man who dreamed of being pirate king and made his way through the grandline but lost and was utterly devastated by the loss. Thats why he has shadow powers. He is literally a 'shadow' of his former self. Each one piece arc has a theme its attempting to convey using the powers of the villan as the main signifier. If you look back at past arcs you'll see what I mean, and look out for more clues like this in the future. Happy hunting+
I'm kinda willing to give Absalom a pass because he's a villain, and Spandam was just as bad in different ways... but Sanji being jealous of Absalom? That's where I take issue, lol Edit: Welp. Looks like the video says pretty much exactly this.
Brook's backstory is insane. It's not confirmed, but heavily implied that his sense of humor is a result of some uh... Sanity slipping spending the past 50 years alone surrounded by nothing but the bones of dead friends
@@seanyd1235 she mentions the backstory but doesn't spend too much time on it partly because it was so powerful and hit her so hard she can't exactly properly put how she feels into words but also her voice was hurting a little because it was at the end of the video lol.
At the start of the series, Zoro told Luffy that he'd kill him if he got in the way of his dream, but now in this arc, Zoro was willing to give his dream up and die just for Luffy, so that's a neat little detail that just adds so much to Zoro.
In last arc, Sanji told Usopp to find a way to help his crew (find his role in the crew) and usopp in the next arc fought an opponent that only he can beat which is amazing!
"There was never a day that was easy. Frankly, I'd given up all hope. But Luffy, I'm glad I lived!" I love this line from Brook so much. He's got the best life lessons...except he's already dead! Yohohoho!
Good one.... He gets all tears when he thanks Luffy ... Even though he doesn't have eyes... As he is just bones!!!! yohohoho... I get teary whenever I watch the scene when Brook tells he's glad he is alive..!! He is one of the matures member of the crew along side Robin n Franky n he has very gentlemanly demeanor. Bink's Sake is my favorite 😍
I also love Perona so much. She's a lot of fun, great design, interesting power and great humor. One of my favorite moments from her is when she tries to cheer Usopp up mid fight because her hollows don't make him depressed.
I wish she caught Perona's laughter style, horo horo horo, or holo holo holo, due to R and L in Japanese. Having the ghost ability and ghosts as well as the depression they cause make someone hollow.
I think Brook's sense of Humor is kinda relate with his experience, He's always alone for the last 50 years and the only thing that he can do to entertain himself is making a terrible joke just to laugh at himself and now when he's finally join a new crew, he just wanted to share his jokes that he create's all this time. It's kinda sad actually
If you look at it brook didnt really tell jokes, laugh so historically or ask to see panties when he was alive. The reason why he keeps singing bink sake is to remind himself why hes alive and so he doesnt forget it
One piece is over here like no take backs no returns you were a fun loving child and now reality has hit and it's going to hurt and oops that's life now
I think some fans like that too but can't help but to give major spoilers. I can forgive them, but still I think you describe the goal of most fans not wanting to give spoilers
I’m ashamed it took me even the few seconds of thought it did to figure out what you meant. “That” line. You’re right that is the perfect line for this.
@@musabs5848 spoiler if you didn't finish thriller bark after Zoro takes Luffy's pain and everyone wakes up, Sanji asks Zoro what happened after seeing him standing there covered in blood, and Zoro responds "nothing happened" a very famous and loved scene
Brook's 45 degrees joke "45" in Japanese can sound like "shigo", or "after death" (死後). To expand on that, the Japanese word for four (四) can be pronounced as "shi", the same as the word for death (死). Completing the phrase, 5 (五) is pronounced as "go", making it so that 45 can sound like "shigo", which means "after death". Seeing as it's coming from a talking skeleton, that's pretty hilarious.
Generally speaking, this is an old fandom, and many of the people who don’t like entire arcs either suffered through the week-to-week chapter releases or watched the much slower paced anime where flaws are more prominent. Coming in with no spoilers and reading the manga in entire arcs avoids much of the frustration and weaknesses that others experienced when they first went through OP. I’m glad you liked it and I enjoy this arc more and more every time I reread it (except the Absolam stuff, we all hate him).
As someone who is reading week to week I feel this. I loved flashbacks until I had to read flashbacks the interrupted the thing I've been waiting to see for weeks. It's much better going back and then rereading through those arcs once they are completed and you don't have to wait to keep reading.
I think with this arc in particular, the manga is paced waaaay better. The anime really amps up the Scooby-Doo antics and were have like a third of the arc where they're just running around the castle avoiding wall zombies and watching them do the fake Thriller dance. It was cute, but it lasted way too long, and then you get tonal whiplash with the second half of the arc. The manga has a much more smooth transition and has tonal consistency. So I think that's another reason this arc is so divisive.
I think part of it is also simply where the arc is located (between Enies Lobby and the saga that follows) so it's hard to shine between those stellar ones. Many people really disliked the assassination of Sanji's character too. Plus, at least at the time, it felt more like a sidestory, not setting anything important up or anything.
One thing that I love about this series, is just how many “failed” Luffy’s are there. Becoming the Pirate King is not easy. You must be mad to even try. And many of the characters that we encounter, at some point or another did try to pull it off, but failed. This arc has two of those. Moria once was a promising up and comer. Who was crushed by another pirate, to the point, that he has even given up forming a real connection to people. The other is Brook. While he didn’t try to become King, sailing the entire Grand Line is basically a requirement. And he failed. Everyone on that ship died. The Rumba pirates are the norm. They are what happens if someone is insane enough to enter the GrandLine. It’s not called the Pirates Grave for nothing.
Thank you for mentioning the creepy sexist stuff that unfortunately is present in shonen manga some times. You can still love something, while criticizing some parts of it.
I like how in this arc that Robin now calls her fellow crew members by their names rather than the descriptors she used to use(Captain, Navigator, Longnose). This subtle character growth is one of the reasons Robin has slowly made her way up my Straw Hat tier list.
When Luffy met Zoro, Zoro said that he would be the first to kill Luffy if he would stop him from achieving his dream of becoming the best swordsman. Fast forward to Thriller Bark where Zoro not hesitating to sacrifice his life in order for Luffy to continue pusuing his dream of becoming Pirate King.
Zoro has standards that he holds to himself. "If I can't even save the life of my own captain then what good is my ambition?" His whole character is built around his own ambition to be the strongest and yet he's willing to lay it all down for the dream of his captain. It makes it hit way harder when you put it into perspective. At some level he no longer thinks of his own ambition in a bubble. Luffy's dream has become important to Zoro. Important enough to die for.
@@sindri1447 Indeed that's the point of that later scene where he (zero) was kneeling, because zoro felt the (potential spoiler down below) burden he became in the next arc because in his mind it wasn't good enough and then he kneels because as Luffy is carrying everyone's dream, Zoro will make sure to carry Luffy's dream and his own dream no matter what.
What's cool is that in a way, by putting luffy's ambition above his own, he conversely becomes more ambitious himself, since he won't recognize himself as the best swordsman if he can't make luffy the pirate king. If he beats mihawk and makes that happen, his title becomes pretty much undisputed
Sanji is my favorite character by leaps and bounds, but I totally understand the criticism here. Going forward, Sanji becomes slightly different, arguably worse for a time before EXTREMELY better than he initially ever was. It's a weird character arc, but I think it's super rewarding. I love current Sanji.
@@TheXXBLahBLahBLahxX bruh, sanji in whole cake, he was just a man of cuteness that no one could define when he was making that cake... he got a lot of respect for me on that arc. He is much better now.
I think most people aren’t into Thriller Bark because it’s right in the middle of two fan favorite saga’s and the anime kinda dragged it. Personally I found it hilarious and emotional at the end
Did you read it week to week while it was coming out in the manga... or worse... did you watch the anime as it was airing? (not being condescending... i genuinely want to know if that opinion is because you didn't watch weekly or despite watching weekly)... The fact that it is sandwiched in between 2 amazing sagas definitely does not help it's case... but what broke people is that it was too long a wait each week for very little development in every chapter/episode... The episodes/chapters ended and you felt like (literally in this particular case) nothing happened in most of them... As a whole the arc is in between OK and GOOD (the end was still awesome) but the whole arc got diluted week to week... Had it had the same content in 70% of it's length the arc would have been between good and great instead...
That's just a generic excuse from people who are easy to please, even if this same arc was to come between 2 terrible arcs before and after wouldn't excuse this one for being trash.
Enies Lobby is/was the "judicial" island where pirates are always condemned, Impel Down instead is the prison which is in another location. Geography is everything!
Oda actually wrote an one-shot manga called "Monster" featuring the journey of the legendary Samurai Ryuma ( the one Zoro fought) which is kinda (somewhat) canon to the story. You can read that manga for his background
It's not canon to his story, but that Ryuma is the direct inspiration for Zoro, Mihawk (less so), and the One Piece version of Ryuma, in "Monsters" it's not set in Wano, the Mihawk type figure is a fraud, also Ryuma likely fought a dragon for very different reasons in OP.
The thing that makes moria brilliant is that he is literally a shadow of his former self. He's washed up. He had a crew he trusted, and Kaido killed them all so he makes zombies he can discard so he doesn't have to experience loss again. The major theme of this arc IS loss I feel like, because it is the theme that ties Moria and Brook together.
And not just them, early on you see how hogback dealt with losing cindry which was to cling onto her although she's already long gone, later on the shadows symbolize their dreams and how they deal when someone takes away their spirits that's how they all acted, like it's not an option to live without their dreams and as kuma is presented they have the actual representation of death... "If you would lose everything right now, where would be your paradise?" carrying a bible around... The book that preaches how everyone gets into paradise after their death, represents how all of the straw hats would die for their captain
I would add Perona to the character having a link with the whole "loss theme" of the arc. (Potential spoiler WARNING, I don't know if the following element can be consider spoiler since it comes from SBS infos and vivre card and so far doesn't have an effect on the story). We know since the "young version drawing" of Perona that during her childhood she had a pet bear called Kuma-a (kumae), then during the Moria pact panel with Hogback we can see her with a teddybear called Kuma-b (kumaby) and during Thriller Bark we of course have the bear-zombie Kuma-c (Kumacy). That naming pattern, I think tend to show us that Perona still miss Kuma-a since he possibly passed away (I'm not sure if Kuma-a death was confirmed ) and the sorrow caused by this loss could be one of the reason that pushed Perona to join the thriller bark pirates at a young age. (Maybe Moria promised her to bring back her Kuma and make her all the "cute" zombie animal that she wanted with the medical skills of their soon-to-be doctor Hogback and his power )
"One scene that I really didn't like." What could she be referring to- oh, right. That scene. Pronunciation Corner: Moria -- moore-EE-uh Hogback -- you got this one just fine Perona "Ghost girl" -- per-own-uh "magic paper" Vivre card -- VEEV-ruh card Glad you noticed the dichotomy of the two groups entering this haunted island. Also, glad you enjoyed the Luffy pushing the zombie scene. If you're not still following along with the anime, I'd recommend opening up an incognito tab (so it doesn't affect your recommended videos) and searching "thriller bark luffy zombie" to watch the scene animated. "Ghost girl, shining star." Yes join in the love for Perona the Ghost Princess. "I want my non-stakes please." Merphy would like her One Piece to be vegetarian style, please! Fun thing about the samurai that carries Brooke's shadow and fought Zoro: he's the main character in a one-shot chapter that Oda wrote before One Piece. I believe it's called "Monsters." While the Sanji stuff is disappointing, I'm really glad that we've gotten to a point in the series where you're excited to talk about Usopp. Our normal human has had some great scenes to shine in these few arcs. Fun thing about Brook. He lived as a skeleton, alone on a ship, for about 50 years. His puns can be considered a form of coping that he told himself as he nearly went insane from loneliness. The perverted part of him can be uncomfortable, but also remember that he hasn't really seen a woman in that half century, so his filter might be a bit broken on what's appropriate to ask. Anyways, if you're not still following the anime, try looking up "Bink's Sake" in an incognito tab so that you can actually hear the song that Brook sings with his crew. Merphy's about as excited for mermaids as Sanji. Oh man, some of the things that Merphy has said in this video makes me look forward to next week's video, and some of the ones coming up.
When Merphy started reading One Piece I was like "I wonder what she'll think of Sanji in Thriller bark" considering she didn't like him that much. But then she started being far more optimistic about the character and I got like "Oh man, she really won't like Sanji in Thriller Bark" Yup, as a Sanji stand I must admit this is the most disappointing moment in One Piece.
There is this forced sexist humor that Oda keeps doing with Sanji and I don't understand why he keeps doing it lol. The japanese fans must love it, there is no other explanation
I get it maked him flawed and never overpowered ans spontanic, but oda really overdoes it. Like thatvhe respects that zombie as woman, fine, thats good butvthe other, too much oda too much.
You claim to be a Sanji stand but dont want to acknowlege his character flaw? You're just like saying you love your girlfriend if she wears makeup but hate her face when she's not wearing it...
That would kind of be interesting to see the Mines of Moria in a Lords of the Rings spin-off of One piece. It's like Moria just being a manager of mine that's all... and all the miners happen to be undead.
The only thing i liked about Absalom is how Oda used him to introduce Lola and Nami friendship, changing de "girls competition" into a women supporting women moment
Re-reading One Piece I find it insane how respectful Oda is when tackling very "touchy" subjects like harassment, racism, xenophobia, but also more modern subjects like trans-identities and he did that OVER 10 YEARS AGO !! Re-reading Impel Down and Fishman Island arcs blew me away because there was no way I would have caught all that back in the day and those are topics very much at the forefront today.
@@arenkai unpopular opinion, Fishman Island is the most constantly underrated Arc in one piece, its certainly not the best but its better then alot of people give it credit for
@@jeremygeller9145 Let´s be honest, no arc in One Piece is bad. Ones can be better than other´s but none until now can be called "bad". Some arcs are hated due to week-to-week pacing or even because the anime made them "worse" in terms of pacing and animation. A lot of people that re-read those arcs end up changing their opinions and consider them "underrated". Every arc has interesting characters, good plot points, good worldbuilding and good fights. Fishman island, Thriller Bark, Spypeia and Dressrosa are good examples of arcs people hated on the first go, but ended up loving on the second
Thriller Bark is really underrated. One thing thats commonly missed by most readers about this arc is how Thriller Bark is actually one big metaphor for depression. In this arc it’s specifically stated that Shadows are part of the soul. So Moria quite literally steals a piece of your soul and leaves you to forever hide in the Darkness. Never to step out into the light again. Light represents hope. Whats more, Moria himself is doing all of this because he himself is depressed. He crew was murdered. He sunk into the shadows, and now he drags others into the shadows of depression. Stealing their ability to stand in the light. To have hope. So characters been living in the shadows, trapped in the deep dark bowels of depression. Unable to ever again see the light. Which has become like poison to them. Hope itself has become poison. Certain moments become so much more powerful when read through this lens. Like Lola saying she refuses to live in the darkness(depression) anymore and chooses to cling to light(Hope) even knowing that hope may destroy her. Life comes with great pain and risk but you can't live in the darkness forever. Eventually, you have to come out of the shadows. Brook’s final speech perfectly caps off the arc by encapsulating the entire story in a single sentence. “There was never a day that was easy, and I had given up all hope”. Summing up the experience of Thriller Bark in a nutshell. But after getting the piece of his soul that was missing, and being able to stand in the light again, Brook tells us, “I’m so glad to be alive”. Not only is this beautiful storytelling but it’s also really shocking that One Piece is able to handle such a mature topic so seriously. Theres a genuine sincerity to the story and characters despite all the comedy and I don’t think most other writers could have pulled off perfectly blending comedy with such a tragic story.
(Spoilers) I also love how fitting Moria is for this section of the series as the next saga has to teach Luffy to think about the consequences of his actions. Moria does not think about the consequences of his actions when going into the new world (he also hasn’t learned as shown when he invaded a Yonko’s territory to rescue absalom) and now he is a shadow of his former self.
Please also note that Oda seamlessly connected Moria's story with his Shadow power. After all that happened to Moria's crew in the New World, he never again considered recruiting live crew members again. Instead, he heavily relied on his devil fruit to amass an army of zombies (which will never die). He, on the other hand, just lazed off day in and day out, letting his shadows do all the work for him. From a proud pirate declaring war against Kaido of all people to a depressed Shichibukai that just wants to oppress common folks to share his misery with them. He literally became a SHADOW of his former self.
When she said there was one scene that she really didn't like I immediately assumed it was going to be the scene where Absalom practically assaults Nami in the bath. So, I was surprised when it turned out to be the part where Sanji engages in the classic, almost ubiquitous, shounen trope of boys voicing their inner desires to peep on girls in the bath (but generally never succeeding in doing so). I guess, when seeing it from the point of view of someone who isn't desensitised to that particular trope, it is rather creepy and off-putting. I'm finding that I really appreciate and enjoy her point of view on this series. I especially liked her idea that the things the characters said when affected by the negative ghosts revealed aspects of their personality that they would usually keep to themselves. I'd never though of it that way, but it made sense and I liked it. I'm looking forward to more great One Piece reviews.
Yeah, I think it's mostly about how exposed you are to it. I have noticed there's a lot of "anime bullshit" that people learn to accept because they love everything else about it, but when introducing it to newer people, especially later in life, it's harder to overlook.
Well Absaloms scene is creepy, he's a villain and is set up to be so, so we get excited for Sanji to beat his ass..... Only to find out Sanji wanted to do the same thing, which is not only very disappointing, actively goes against how Sanji has been set up the ENTIRE series so far. He was always portrayed as someone who LOVES women and is chivalrous to a fault, which was beat into him by Zeff, so it's also a trait that leads back to his respect of his father figure. It's a fault of his, but one based on good intentions and how he was taught. So to see him out of nowhere admit he wishes he could sexually harass women is so weird, especially since it's almost never mentioned again like it never should've been a part of his character
Yeah, cause it’s always been a huge troupe in waifu and perverts in ton of anime. With the cultural shift in how women are treated as well, it can be very off putting. A good example is wrestling. From Bra & Panties or mud wrestling and stripping, to divas, to women who actually show case phenomenal matches.
Yeah I expected the bath scene which I wasn't bothered by, after all, we are kind of vaccinated on feeling bothered by this stuff after watching/reading so much anime/manga. But I get it, it was a weird joke and it threw me off as well. Joking periodically about Sanji being a pervert when he's the only one is one thing, saying he'll say the same as the villain (when Sanji's perv jokes are just he wanting to see women on bikinis), was pretty weird.
A thing that is very interested about Moria is about how he become like this. If you pay attention to this arc, you can see that he is now just a shadow of his old self. It heavily imply from this arc that he use to have a different crew but he lost all of them in the fight with Kaido, one of the Four Emperor. This incident hurt him so much that he chose this path, the path that turn all his crew to zombie so that he won't lose any of them again. Oda don't show his backstory but you can pierce it together by the conversation in this arc
And only has a few useful crew members to help him: assolblom observes the ppl, perona negatively attacks them, moria cuts the shadows out, dr. Phil makes zombies from dead corpses and uses the shadows to bring them back. So basically he's making disposable underlings so he never has to experience it again.
Thank you for pointing this out. I was hoping someone would. I feel like so many people gloss over this or miss it when it is such an important thematic element of this arc (dealing with loss) and an important contrast between Moria and Luffy.
Brook's sense of humor and panties obsessions is for sure because of his having partially lost his mind from isolation for 50 years. Hes socially awkward and easy to excite and likes to make dumb unfunny jokes all because he hasnt interacted with ACTUAL LIVING PEOPLE in decades. Its an important part of his character to fully understand that. Music and Laboon were probably the only things that kept him going.
I'd like to add to that with the fact that not only has brook not interacted with people for 50 years but he specifically hasnt interacted with women. I've heard stories of male prisoners who, after being released from prison, acted weirdly or innapropriately around women purely because it had been so long since they had seen one as weird as that sounds so Brook asking women about their panties may be a side effect of those 50 years of loneliness and lack of companionship
Yeah you can almost taste how 50years alone might move one towards the extreme, the jokes ends with the I'm dead and starts with can i see your panties. After a little while it's the only thing that get a proper reaction from the dead before even that turns stale and he can't find any place worse to go. Didn't think of it like that he he first time though, instead it bothered me that we got another perv with stale jokes on the crew...
I only liked her because I found it funny when strong characters get depressed and say stuff like "I want an ant to step on me", especially when Zoro says "I'm sorry I was born" and then Sanji mocks him in the next scene and even the Cerberus laughs.
Fun fact: Robin in this arc starts to call the crew by their names, before she'd call them "Navigator" ou "Long Nose" for not thinking of a long term stay, but now she trusts them!
Thriller Bark is a reminder that One Piece is actually one big story about “bringing hope back”. Which is the reason it’s so uplifting despite all it’s tragedy. Oda is a writer that just sincerely cares about people and wants people to be ok. Thats why you get such a wonderful uplifting feeling from One Piece. Oda is bringing light to peoples lives with his story.
I laught out loud [yes the written out version] at the Laboooooonnn part. I just couldn`t help it but hear Laboooooonnn in my head it was uncanny. so thanks. ^^
You know despite all the negative stuff in the anime compared to manga like pace and stuff, moments like that, laboon, "nothing happened" and bink's sake are really priceless
For me Worst part of Brook's backstory isn't his friends dying (even though sad) it was loneliness for 50 years. That is just madness. Anyone else would've already gone mad but Brook for the sake of his promise held on to his Sanity for 50 years
he barely held on to his sanity tho, in the flashback he does not seemed to laugh as he did now, did not make excessive jokes as he is now, and many different things that is very different than how he was in the flash back, the promise and the self made enjoymentalone on a ship filled with bones of his friends is what kept him barely sane
I always found that to be such a great way to explain just how crazy brook is and to me what makes his pervy humor seem much less offensive, because the dude has litterally spent 50 years alone with the corpses of his comrades. The fact that he is as collected as he is when they meet him is downright incredible.
Fun fact: This arc was supposed to happen before Enies Lobby, but Oda had picked out Franky's japanese voice actor and loved him so much he introduced him first.
@@Trxpamvs I don't think we've ever gotten OFFICIAL confirmation outright, but we do have some evidence that Thriller Bark was originally gonna come before Water 7 + Enies Lobby. In Databook Green there's a sketch of the Straw Hats were they each have their joining number order assigned to them, and originally Brook was #8 while Franky was #9. So that's definitely a sign Oda switched things up.
I like Moria a lot, he's a broken hasbeen trying his hardest to sidestep his way toward his goals without getting hurt again. Kaido really did a number on the guy. Also note that Kuma asked Moria where he wanted to go and got called out for it, signaling Morias knowledge and raw experience with major players in the world.
@0ホアキン typical One Piece "fans". Honestly, for me, the quirkiness of the characters is the charm of One Piece. I never disliked the character design, except for... Spoiler: Orochi and Raizo. Like, lol, their head is so big, and that's annoying for me 🤣
@@moderndayphilosopher9782 same here,i love the huuuge variety in xharacter designs The only one i really dont like is [SPOILERS] Momonosuke, idk why but i just dont vibe with it in the slightest
It's actually absurd how much this arc matters. I am a week to week reader and this, along with Skypiea, was one of my least favorites of all time. It wasn't until I got into the rhythm of rereading from the beginning after every major arc ends that I grew to appreciate both of them. Also, it's "More-ee-uh". Love this whole journey so far and I'm about to start another marathon once the most current arc wraps up. Keep'em coming Merphy!
Don't feel bad about giving your honest opinion about the Sanji stuff, even though you might get some push back from certain fans. I've found the whole Sanji perv shtick to be annoying at times but ultimately brushed it off as standard Japanese humour. I get where you're coming from though and you make some valid points.
Exactly! Oda ran wild with Sanji’s gag. It has only gotten more stupider and annoying with each passing arc. But his hardcore fans refuse to admit it. Unless Sanji’s operating under a different meaning of the word “gentleman” the character’s a walking contradiction.
@@Sebster85 I wouldn't call myself a Sanji fan, but I do actually think that his gag got better with time because I appreciate how it was integrated into the actual plot several times (the first time being when he couldn't fight bubble lady because he doesn't hurt women, AT ALL, but I'm sure you know which others I'm talking about; FMI and WCI specifically). So in a way I wouldn't say it got worse, in a way it got better because at least now there's a point to it, but Thriller Bark was definitely the lowest point of it and it ruined Sanji for me completely to the point where I tolerate him but can't quite get myself to LIKE him anymore. And it's not just One Piece. I'm just SO, SO tired of this dumb trope/gag of the resident pervert in shounen and wish it would just die already...😩 Everytime I start something new, within a few chapters/episodes it's like "Oh great, here we go again..."
@@sleepysera I agree that the gag was fine when it wasn’t exaggerated. I can’t wait to see Murphy’s reaction to Fish-Men Island and Punk Hazard. I get it that some simply find Sanji’s antics funny. I find them sometimes annoying and somewhat creepy.
Theres a bit of a misreading there with Sanji's situation which is understandable since it's your first viewing. You're still totally allowed to dislike it but I want to clarify a few things. The Theme of this arc is "Shadows". Each of the strawhats opponents this arc is a shadow(a dark reflection) of themselves. Chopper a Doctor, faces off against a dark Doctor one who neglects the Doctor's oath(hippocratic oath) and disrespects life. The difference between them being that Chopper protects and preserves life while Hogback abuses it. Usopp who is negative faces off against Perona who uses the power of negativity. Though while Perona uses her power of negativity to drag others down, Usopp uses his negativity to keep his crew safe from dangers they would have otherwise ignored. Sanji and Absolom are both lustful. Absolom is the dark side of Lust. He forces himself onto women without their consent and ignores their well being. Even going so far as to put their lives at risk for his own desires. He's a literal perverted Beast. Whereas Oda is showing that Sanji is the opposite. He may be filled with lust from time to time but he always puts a woman's well being above his own and would never force himself on a woman like Absolom does. This is symbolically shown in the scene where he holds Nami above himself while he takes damage. Literally putting her well being above himself. Oda is not saying that they're the same but rather highlighting how they are different. Next is Zoro vs Ryuuma. You may not know this but Ryuuma was once the world's greatest swordsman. So this battle is one of the Former world's greatest swordsman vs the Future world's greatest swordsman. The difference between them being that Ryuuma's spirit is not his own. The shadow of someone else guides his blade. So he isn't one with his sword like Zoro is. Zoro willingly carries Kuina's spirit through his blade but Ryuuma's is forced to move by Brook's. Last is Luffy & Moria. Both are men who sought to become Pirate King but Ever since he was crushed by Kaido, Moria has grown lazy. This makes him weak. He's literally become a shadow of his former self. Just like his power. Whereas Luffy knows he needs a strong reliable crew to support him on the path to Pirate King but unlike Moria, Luffy is willing to give it his all for his crew while Moria doesn't put in any effort at all. Making others do everything for him.
@@johnnycripple1930 He was living his dream's in Wano😂 but fr though Oda really put a stain on the best written character in the series. Kind of sad, but I personally don't mind it.
@@johnnycripple1930 ehh I get its something that can easily be disliked but the creep part of his love of woman is rare and people conflate that with his general love of woman. This scene and that other scene in this recent arc are the only times I can think of where I can see why people don't like it but In general he just loves woman to much and some people hate that.
I dont think its so bad as much as its just part of japanese culture that we americans just dont get. In a culture where at one point baths were shared and nudity wasnt a big deal till the 1800's when the west tried to shame Japan for not having Christian sensibilities about sex and in the 1950's when America came in and Mcarthy with all his conservative prude sensibilities basically censored all nudity. We also neglect how their cultural attitudes are around nudity since they have always had and still have open floor shared public baths. In that cultural context "perverts" are not seen as in the same way in other places. Really think about how our attitudes would change around nudity and peeking on people if we had shared baths, inevitably people would peek, especially teen boys, and our reactions would be less extreme over time. Just look at how social media and cell phones have changed how we treat nudity in just 15 years.....just compare only fans in 2021 compared to myspace in 2005 or reality tv from those two years.. edit: I just saw the scene yall were talking about and i was wrong that was super cringey. I thought yall were talking about the peeking while invisible in the shared baths and the way they treat perversion in general in japan.
The second you mentioned not liking one scene, we all knew what you were talking about, and we all agree. It really sucks how men being creeps is a trope in this genre and I can't agree more about how it ruins decades of character growth. Side note: I love that you call him "Mariah" and almost don't want to correct you, but it's "Moria" like The Mines of Moria in The Lord of the Rings.
A huge issue with a lot of media foreign or older. Is the difference in what is considered funny and ok makes a lot of stuff really hard to like. This is definitely the worst of it though. Being too madly in love with girls can be annoying st times but this is one of the only times it's extra active and creepy
@@Zalied oh god. the older part. yeah i remember trying to read older literature recommended by my teacher years back. i couldnt get past the first chapter, lol. the whole motivation of the protagonist seemed to be he wanted to own (legit that was the wording used lmfao rip) this woman he only saw a couple of times, going as far as saying he'd even be willing to, well, sexually assault her. just to seal the deal i guess. i thought that maybe the story would be him growing out of that mentality or whatever. nope. peeped the epilogue: he got the girl, with the exact same entitlement and toxic ownership in his internal monologue. and it was a highly respected literary work in my country. 🥲
I felt that Brook works better in the anime, where you can hear his voice actor, that does a really good job at portraying the madness that is Brook's personality (I'll admit to be found of the skull jokes, cause it plays so well with him saying "I'm so glad to be alive"). The Sanji scene was a big turn off for a lot of people, but I was glad that Nami was the one who took Absalom out.
Sanji was one of my favorite Straw-Hats for moments like the Mr. Prince moment in Alabasta and his thinking outside the box in Enies Lobby. He was so cool not because of his fighting but the way he used his head and his stubborn way of protecting women was endearing to me. However Thriller Bark kind of ruined my enjoyment of him and all these years later I still can't find the same kind of respect for the man that I used to have. Sanji became a pervy gag character and that's all he is now. It's not funny and it never was. This isn't the only time Oda has made me think less of Sanji. It still continues to this day.
@@constantinescuvlad1718 yeah! i think it shows clear at that point who really sanji is and why he is like the way he is. sanji had a long time an uncompleted image of his character so that the reader couldn't understand his character right. Like the wrong impression of an Sanji agent that cares of the things in the background. He did that in certain situation but he wasn't that type, who could fit that role, if you know his real past later. *Also the reason why he really wanted the invinsible fruit at first.
@@sindri1447 I'm sorry but I can't take people like you seriously, you utterly minimize a character that spans hundreds of chapters into one bad moment he truly has. You can think his pervy gag just isn't that funny and fair enough but that's not his whole character either. And you say Sanji keeps disappointing you but honestly how? What has he done that's so bad that he keeps disappointing you?
This was so fascinating to listen. I’ve been trying to get my wife to read one piece for ages now and failed miserably at it. But a woman’s perspective on the Pervy humour which I would otherwise find ‘harmless’ and ‘quirky’ was quite enlightening.
The fact that thriller Bark is a ship ties in with a comment that vivi made to nami Where she was sure a bath as huge as the one in the royal palace could be found on a ship. I didn't realise it until my recent reread
OP is filled with such story spoilers. Where a persons fantasy or comment ends up being a real place. The most famous ones are the Ussop lies. Like how he once claimed to have fought a goldfish, large enough to swallow islands. A beast that they did encounter during LittleGarden. Another one is, when the Strawhats discussed, what type of shipwright they want. Luffy’s scribble ends up looking similar to Franky.
I highly suggest you watch the anime version of Brook's back story, it just hits different with the music! OR just listen to Binks Sake while reading it.
Just for the record, back at Water 7 when they persuaded Franky, Robin was telling the truth when she said she didn't do anything to him. From what she had just been through, she recognized that Franky wouldn't allow himself to be true to his own feelings and wishes, so she gave him an excuse to cry and get "forced" to join the crew.
The nothing happened moment in the anime was so badass. When zoro says “luffy will become the pirate king” with just utter confidence in the face of death is my moment to look to when I think of what a loyal friend will do.
I'm so confused about people who said not to read arc names. What arc name spoils anything? I think people go to far with that stuff , not reading comments I understand or even looking up arcs but not knowing the name going in?
“That’s b*llshit” FINALLY someone said it. I hate how that is everyone’s excuse for the Pervy humor that is present in almost every shonen manga/anime. And one piece is one of the shows where it isn’t AS bad. But also, fair warning. The pervy humor in general gets worse over the next couple arcs.
NO SPOILERS Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but Brook and Moria are good foils to one another.
Both lost their crews- Moria in the past was an ambitious pirate who, as a result of engaging in a bloody battle with the Emperor Kaido, tragically led his entire crew to their untimely deaths.
Brook lost his crew to the merciless grandline, where destructive weather, sudden sickness, and enemy pirates plague every island and every corner of the sea.
They both lost their crews, but the way they dealt with their trauma is different.
Moria decided to close himself off and not bond with any new crew member, opting instead to “raise the dead”, perhaps to compensate for failing his crew (as a captain, he recklessly got them killed in a duel with one of the emperors).
Brook instead chose to retain hope that one day he would reunite with laboon and also at the end of the arc when he asks Luffy if he could join the strawhats, he broke into joyful tears when he realized he was able to live long enough to find new friends, to embark on yet another adventure.
“I’m so happy I’m still alive!”
Never would he have thought these words were true. For 50 years he had only the bones of his friends to accompany him. Living must’ve been one endless depressing state of loneliness.
But in the end, Brook never gave up on living. He had hope that he could reunite with Laboon, and he was rewarded with Luffy’s arrival into his life.
He didn’t know it then, but for 50 years he was waiting for new friends with whom he could travel the world again.
Yeah from what I’ve seen it seems like the whole invisibility scene with sanji is a lot of people’s, including myself, least favorite scenes with the character (like you said went from simp to creep). However with what is done for the characters backstory later, be it intentional or not, does kinda recontextualize why he wanted the clear clear fruit
Sanji is one of my favourite characters but yeah I completely dislike his whole perv side, at first it’s whatever but it’s overplayed in anime/manga in general so at the very least it’s just an old, boring joke now
It's been a while since I've read One Piece but from what I remember, the only thing that makes it salvageable is that Sanji may *say* he wants to do all that stuff, but I don't believe he actually ever does them. He's still kind of a perv but in his usual, more harmless way.
@@chiefpurrfect8389 well, in Wano he goes into a bathhouse whilst being invisible to perve on Nami and other girls, so... yeah, sadly it seems to me he would do those things. If you disagree, all good, but the evidence seems to point towards him actually wanting to do those things
There's a really nice filler episode 384. Which is a whole 20 minute character moment filled episode and it's all about brook trying to fit into the crew dynamic on a quiet day aboard the thousand sunny topped off with a really nice pay off at the end. It's not a must see but for even manga readers its a really nice calm episode and I think its really up Merphy's alley. Hope this doesnt get lost in the comments!
There’s so much foreshadowing here for the current arc. Definitely benefits from a reread when you’re fully caught up, especially regarding Moria’s character
Well, Robin can feel everything her extra appendages touches. Do you really want Robin to do that every time? EDIT: Also, Robin's response to the Paw-Paw Fruit is wonderful. EDIT2: Get someone to show you Brook singing Bink's Sake (don't go looking yourself to avoid spoilers, natch). Both the English and Japanese versions of it are incredible. There's even a version where all the Strawhats sing it from a Japanese-only album.
That wedding scene is pretty infamous in the fandom. One thing I'd like to point out as far as Sanji's characterization: when Sanji voices or acts on negative behaviors around women there are negative outcomes to those interactions, and when Sanji is honest and open with women there are positive outcomes to those interactions. This remains pretty consistent throughout One Piece. I think Oda uses each member of the crew to commentate on certain things indirectly.
The next arc is my favorite arc in the entire series, and its just banger after banger for the next like 4 arcs. This next saga shows the very best that One Piece has to offer. I'm so excited to see your reactions!
Believe or not, this arc mostly is a set up for some future arcs in the storyline. Some foreshadowing, which Oda is brilliant at. BTW, Ghost Girl is having a blast with her vacation. LOL
Your love for Sanji will rise and fall over the course of the series. By the time you're caught up you'll most likely love him again because he makes up for his failings.
Well it depends on what bothers you really. It's just one of his main character flaws (as in intentionally flawed not a dude sucks at writing flaw lol) is one different ppl will have a different reaction to for various factors. I've seen more that to this day find that scene hilarious and an iconic moment of the series, but it's ok that Merphy has an understandable dislike for it.
Yeah I get why people hate it, but I actually found it funny. Because besides how cool Sanji tiers to be he's still loser at heart. Two things people seem to forget: The Straw Hats are not heroes and Sanji would never hurt a woman.
I completely understand the take on sanji, a lot of the readers had the same at this point of the story ! But hopefully you'll get to the moment where you'll acknowledge that nobody loves these characters more than oda, keep this in mind and continue your journey !
Every little details in OP is important. like its crazy when we are in Alabasta Ace gave the piece of paper to luffy and we didnt know anything about it and we completely forgotten and then boom ODA reminded us again that piece of paper is important to the plot
Franky's role in Thriller Bark is kinda similar to Robin in Skypiea. When you go back to it, especially with how aloof Robin is initially (which we late realize is due to her hesitance to form real connections with people) you can really tell how Oda was slowly integrating her into the crew.
00:00:00 ⟾ Intro
00:01:23 ⟾ Overview of Thriller Bark
00:02:17 ⟾ General Thoughts; Affinity for Gothic, Ghosts, etc.
00:04:02 ⟾ Plot start (light humour, comedy bits, crew moments)
00:06:52 ⟾ Weakling Trio (spotlight) vs. Monster Trio
00:08:19 ⟾ Trademark humour (fake zombie and old man with severe injuries)
00:09:22 ⟾ Negative Hollow & insights
00:11:01 ⟾ Antagonists - Moria (shadow magic, Peter Pan)
00:12:57 ⟾ Hogback (and Chopper)
00:14:05 ⟾ Absalom
00:14:38 ⟾ Perona (new favourite)
00:16:22 ⟾ Central conflicts/concepts, (high) stakes, shadow magic mechanics
00:20:18 ⟾ Oars-Luffy/zombie-Luffy
00:21:27 ⟾ Fights (Robin)
00:22:05 ⟾ Franky integration & Robin moments
00:23:54 ⟾ Brook moments
00:24:24 ⟾ Zoro shines
00:25:15 ⟾ Most disliked scene(s) & reasons
00:28:21 ⟾ Usopp vs. Perona (Usopp growth)
00:30:41 ⟾ Oars-Luffy vs. Crew (teamwork, loyalty)
00:32:00 ⟾ Moria-Oars-Luffy vs. Nightmare Luffy (also crew)
00:33:25 ⟾ Blackbeard
00:33:47 ⟾ Kuma, Zoro & Sanji loyalty (Nothing happened)
00:38:13 ⟾ Crew loyalty/sacrifice/trust
00:40:02 ⟾ One final thing - Laboon & Brook (setup and impact)
00:41:58 ⟾ Brook's role and characteristics
00:42:57 ⟾ One final thing #3 - Mermaids, Vivre card, Ace (and future possibilities)
00:45:49 ⟾ Wrap-up & Outro
00:46:55 ⟾ [Promo]
King shit right here
Kuma mention Dragon ??! (Luffy's father)
This is also an important thing that happened in Thriller bark
Hey Merphy
Fun fact
The swordsman that zoro fought is the protagonist of Oda's previous novel 'Monster'
It's Moria, like the mines.
Hey you should watch some of the scenes in the anime like zoro nothing happened, robin I want to live. Etc. whitebeards death ace death, Marco vs Kizaru
Balloon guy. Bible guy. Ghost girl. She really be giving nicknames just like Luffy 🤣🤣
Exactly XD
Queen : am I a joke to you? I am the original Baloon guy! Coz im Funk!
He's usually called Onion guy, so balloon guy is a nice change of pace.
@Bardan Just let her read and then go back to prolly watch some scenes. Coz if she watches then it'll take too long.
hey she got Perona's nickname right
You should 100% watch the song scene in Anime Form. The music made the scene so much more emotional for me
She doesn’t read comments
Anymore
Agreed.
@@crimsonflare8422 Awww, when did that happen?
@@WayneBond006 probably because people are douches and spoil things
Merphy in the beginning: "How do people keep recovering and not dying? I want stakes!"
Merphy now: "I want to get off Oda's wild ride now please"
She hated Absalom so much he is the only new character she actually consistently calls the right name lmfao (but yeah nobody likes absalom)
pervsalom
At least Absalom gets some hood jokes at his expense, unlike Wapol, MY most disliked one peice character
I didn't even catch that, good call
I dislike Absolom but to kind of like the subtle hints of his possible return here and there.
That also fits with Luffy. 😂
"I don't know how papers are distributed in this world"
Seagulls, obviously
Clearly what else would it be?
That's a BIGGGGG!!! NEWSSSS!!!! >
Big News !!!
@@gauthamvadlamudi3500 Shhhhhhh
@@Greendalewitch You do realize that saying "shhhh" when someone says something really vague like that is worse than them saying it in the first place, right?
I highly recommend watching Zoro's 'nothing happened' scene in the anime, along with Brook's song scene. They are both quite iconic and hit very hard emotionally.
Luffy shoving the Zombie back into the ground is one of the funniest gags in All of One Piece :D
Everyone remembers this scene.
Everyone gangsta until Brook starts singing Bink's Sake.
No no no, everybody gangster until it becomes trio....duet....solo
i'm able to hold the tears until brook plays the piano and declares "WATASHI I-KKI-TE TE YOKA-TTA-AAAAAA" (..i-i'm...i'm so glad to be alive!)
yohoohoho
Moriah is written as a failed version of luffy. A man who dreamed of being pirate king and made his way through the grandline but lost and was utterly devastated by the loss. Thats why he has shadow powers. He is literally a 'shadow' of his former self. Each one piece arc has a theme its attempting to convey using the powers of the villan as the main signifier. If you look back at past arcs you'll see what I mean, and look out for more clues like this in the future. Happy hunting+
wowww, interesting :)
thank you
It's Moria xD
Just out of curiosity how many themes have you noticed I haven’t seen any and i love that idea (even though I believe you)
Poor poor maria Carie
I’ve never heard that take. Interesting little food for thought.
"1 scene that I really didn't like, but we'll talk about that later"
No matter the scene, Absalom was in it
edit: I was right
Yeah, anime and manga is... weird, with this stuff, and I dunno how much of it can be defended by the shield of "cultural differences".
Yeah, Absalom is easily the worst part of this arc.
Absalom makes me SO uncomfortable.
I'm kinda willing to give Absalom a pass because he's a villain, and Spandam was just as bad in different ways... but Sanji being jealous of Absalom? That's where I take issue, lol
Edit: Welp. Looks like the video says pretty much exactly this.
@@Mayeur000Donz Just wait till she sees the Robin and fairies panel in the manga.
Brook's backstory is insane. It's not confirmed, but heavily implied that his sense of humor is a result of some uh... Sanity slipping spending the past 50 years alone surrounded by nothing but the bones of dead friends
I mean it's obvious anyone would go insane after spending 50 years completely all alone.
Does she mention it ?
@@seanyd1235 she mentions the backstory but doesn't spend too much time on it partly because it was so powerful and hit her so hard she can't exactly properly put how she feels into words but also her voice was hurting a little because it was at the end of the video lol.
This confirms that puns are a result of low Sanity and extreme solitude 😂 😔
@@LucioXIVGilmez I can believe it
At the start of the series, Zoro told Luffy that he'd kill him if he got in the way of his dream, but now in this arc, Zoro was willing to give his dream up and die just for Luffy, so that's a neat little detail that just adds so much to Zoro.
Not just that, but he said he doesn't deserve his own ambition if he can't protect his captain and his ambition.
When did zoro told luffy he would kill him if he got in the way of his dream?
@@dianaayt at the start?
Brook’s backstory in the anime is taken to another level due to the fact that music and voice acting was a huge part of his story.
In last arc, Sanji told Usopp to find a way to help his crew (find his role in the crew) and usopp in the next arc fought an opponent that only he can beat which is amazing!
Merphy: "I want my no stakes back"
**bubbles popping in the background**
This hurts physically and mentally
dude i felt that
Bruh...this is not okay
That's just mean lmao
why must you hurt me in this way :(
One of the most underrated warlords
Moriah Carey
*KISHISHISHISHI INTENSIFIES*
All I want for Christmas is shadows.
Lmfaoooo
He is surprisingly tragic if you count in why his crew is undead
That’s his new name lmao
I was laughing every time she said his name
"There was never a day that was easy. Frankly, I'd given up all hope. But Luffy, I'm glad I lived!" I love this line from Brook so much. He's got the best life lessons...except he's already dead! Yohohoho!
Good one....
He gets all tears when he thanks Luffy ... Even though he doesn't have eyes... As he is just bones!!!! yohohoho...
I get teary whenever I watch the scene when Brook tells he's glad he is alive..!!
He is one of the matures member of the crew along side Robin n Franky n he has very gentlemanly demeanor. Bink's Sake is my favorite 😍
I also love Perona so much. She's a lot of fun, great design, interesting power and great humor. One of my favorite moments from her is when she tries to cheer Usopp up mid fight because her hollows don't make him depressed.
Merphy: perona? Piranha?
Me: perona! perona!
Merphy: ghost girl
Me: ghost girl, yes ghost girl is good
It's rock lee on cosplay
@@D__634 lmao now I need to see fanart of Rock Lee cosplaying perona
Rock Lee is Zoro's and Perona's illegitimate child.
I wish she caught Perona's laughter style, horo horo horo, or holo holo holo, due to R and L in Japanese.
Having the ghost ability and ghosts as well as the depression they cause make someone hollow.
I loved maria? Mariah?? Ballon guy.. how disrespectful, he's an onion guy.
I think Brook's sense of Humor is kinda relate with his experience, He's always alone for the last 50 years and the only thing that he can do to entertain himself is making a terrible joke just to laugh at himself and now when he's finally join a new crew, he just wanted to share his jokes that he create's all this time. It's kinda sad actually
I'm not crying, you are crying!
If you look at it brook didnt really tell jokes, laugh so historically or ask to see panties when he was alive. The reason why he keeps singing bink sake is to remind himself why hes alive and so he doesnt forget it
@@berserker8884 we are crying!
@@mrbushido56 But he's already dead yohohohohoho
18:07 Merphy: “I would like my non-stakes back”.
One piece: we don’t do that here.
One piece is over here like no take backs no returns you were a fun loving child and now reality has hit and it's going to hurt and oops that's life now
A few acrs ago: "How are they gonna raise the stakes?" vs. Now, "Can we stop raising the stakes please, it causes me stress." Hahahahahah, I love it.
Oh boy is she gonna be stressed
She said to slow down raising stakes and I'm just like 😬😬😬😲😲
@@franconicolas3995 The Summit War Saga is up next with The Sabaody Archipelago Arc being the first part.
Oh dear.
@@Greendalewitch And as soon as that's over we're onto the Yonkou saga...
The suffering shall COME.
"I want my non-stakes back, please!"
"I'm sorry, the [higher stakes] you purchased is non-refundable."
And escalating out of control!
Luffy trying to push the zombie back into the ground remains one of, if not my favorite joke in the entire series!
I feel like OP fans, excluding toxic "fans", want others to enjoy their adventure. Luffy has a line coming up that describes this perfectly
I love experiencing other people experience one piece so much lmao
I think some fans like that too but can't help but to give major spoilers. I can forgive them, but still I think you describe the goal of most fans not wanting to give spoilers
I wanted to like your comment but it's 169, so I can't.
I’m ashamed it took me even the few seconds of thought it did to figure out what you meant. “That” line. You’re right that is the perfect line for this.
can someone point me to where I can find this line I dont remember it
"thriller park where nothing happens"
HAHA SHE SAID IT SHE SAID IT
My exact reaction
SHE SAID THE LINE
I don’t get it? Did I forget some joke in thriller bark?
@@musabs5848 spoiler if you didn't finish thriller bark
after Zoro takes Luffy's pain and everyone wakes up, Sanji asks Zoro what happened after seeing him standing there covered in blood, and Zoro responds "nothing happened" a very famous and loved scene
@@sagiekaharizi oh yeah I remember now lol. I was confused for a sec
Brook's 45 degrees joke
"45" in Japanese can sound like "shigo", or "after death" (死後).
To expand on that, the Japanese word for four (四) can be pronounced as "shi", the same as the word for death (死). Completing the phrase, 5 (五) is pronounced as "go", making it so that 45 can sound like "shigo", which means "after death". Seeing as it's coming from a talking skeleton, that's pretty hilarious.
Didn’t know that, awesome 👏
Oh my god, you just taught me something new!
This makes Brook even punnier!
Some random guy be like:but Mr sir did you not watch whole cake island arc, 4 is yon, not shi...
@@markogamingtv7030 japanese has more than one word to refer to numbers👍
WoW 10 years of reading and never knew that thank you
Generally speaking, this is an old fandom, and many of the people who don’t like entire arcs either suffered through the week-to-week chapter releases or watched the much slower paced anime where flaws are more prominent. Coming in with no spoilers and reading the manga in entire arcs avoids much of the frustration and weaknesses that others experienced when they first went through OP. I’m glad you liked it and I enjoy this arc more and more every time I reread it (except the Absolam stuff, we all hate him).
As someone who is reading week to week I feel this. I loved flashbacks until I had to read flashbacks the interrupted the thing I've been waiting to see for weeks. It's much better going back and then rereading through those arcs once they are completed and you don't have to wait to keep reading.
I think with this arc in particular, the manga is paced waaaay better. The anime really amps up the Scooby-Doo antics and were have like a third of the arc where they're just running around the castle avoiding wall zombies and watching them do the fake Thriller dance. It was cute, but it lasted way too long, and then you get tonal whiplash with the second half of the arc. The manga has a much more smooth transition and has tonal consistency. So I think that's another reason this arc is so divisive.
@@patcheskipp recently the Oden flashback... loved it, but way to pull the handbrake on a story. It triggered my Bleach memories.
@@Harabusa200 yeah I always love them but oh my gosh I just wanna keep reading so bad!!
I think part of it is also simply where the arc is located (between Enies Lobby and the saga that follows) so it's hard to shine between those stellar ones.
Many people really disliked the assassination of Sanji's character too. Plus, at least at the time, it felt more like a sidestory, not setting anything important up or anything.
One thing that I love about this series, is just how many “failed” Luffy’s are there.
Becoming the Pirate King is not easy. You must be mad to even try.
And many of the characters that we encounter, at some point or another did try to pull it off, but failed.
This arc has two of those.
Moria once was a promising up and comer. Who was crushed by another pirate, to the point, that he has even given up forming a real connection to people.
The other is Brook.
While he didn’t try to become King, sailing the entire Grand Line is basically a requirement. And he failed. Everyone on that ship died.
The Rumba pirates are the norm. They are what happens if someone is insane enough to enter the GrandLine.
It’s not called the Pirates Grave for nothing.
crocodile also, he was defeated by Whitebeard
So true...
Very well said.
And then, after being called the pirate graveyard, it's also called paradise, that was great
Thank you for mentioning the creepy sexist stuff that unfortunately is present in shonen manga some times. You can still love something, while criticizing some parts of it.
@Cookie monster Sexually harassing a woman is funny?
Yeah it was a great section. I think manga readers are, in general, way too tolerant of this shit.
@@ThundrfoxWe get uses to it
I like how in this arc that Robin now calls her fellow crew members by their names rather than the descriptors she used to use(Captain, Navigator, Longnose). This subtle character growth is one of the reasons Robin has slowly made her way up my Straw Hat tier list.
Yet despite all that she (rightfully) refuses to dock. That scene is one of my favourites.
@@stevenmara1025 No! No no no! That was nothing rightfully! They needed her to win, how could her!
@@stevenmara1025 her refusal of docking is the best GAG of that event lol
It’s this subtle thing that you don’t notice, but when you look back, you can see how Robin has grown as a character and as a friend.
Robin fits well with thriller bark. She's gothic and her way of thinking is kinda morbid. Lol.
When Luffy met Zoro, Zoro said that he would be the first to kill Luffy if he would stop him from achieving his dream of becoming the best swordsman. Fast forward to Thriller Bark where Zoro not hesitating to sacrifice his life in order for Luffy to continue pusuing his dream of becoming Pirate King.
Zoro has standards that he holds to himself. "If I can't even save the life of my own captain then what good is my ambition?" His whole character is built around his own ambition to be the strongest and yet he's willing to lay it all down for the dream of his captain. It makes it hit way harder when you put it into perspective. At some level he no longer thinks of his own ambition in a bubble. Luffy's dream has become important to Zoro. Important enough to die for.
@@sindri1447 Indeed that's the point of that later scene where he (zero) was kneeling, because zoro felt the (potential spoiler down below)
burden he became in the next arc because in his mind it wasn't good enough and then he kneels because as Luffy is carrying everyone's dream, Zoro will make sure to carry Luffy's dream and his own dream no matter what.
What's cool is that in a way, by putting luffy's ambition above his own, he conversely becomes more ambitious himself, since he won't recognize himself as the best swordsman if he can't make luffy the pirate king. If he beats mihawk and makes that happen, his title becomes pretty much undisputed
Sanji is my favorite character by leaps and bounds, but I totally understand the criticism here. Going forward, Sanji becomes slightly different, arguably worse for a time before EXTREMELY better than he initially ever was. It's a weird character arc, but I think it's super rewarding. I love current Sanji.
The only good Sanji is Enies Lobby Sanji. For me, he just keeps going downhill. :(
@@TheXXBLahBLahBLahxX bruh, sanji in whole cake, he was just a man of cuteness that no one could define when he was making that cake... he got a lot of respect for me on that arc. He is much better now.
@@TGHunter are you anime only or do you read the manga? Idk man. Im not a fan.
@@TheXXBLahBLahBLahxX Both. but I prefer the anime mostly, why? and thats fair, not every character actions or ways will appeal to everyone
The real reason Sanji wanted the clear clear fruit as a kid was most likely to hide from his family the perverted stuff was a plus
I think most people aren’t into Thriller Bark because it’s right in the middle of two fan favorite saga’s and the anime kinda dragged it.
Personally I found it hilarious and emotional at the end
plus despite some rather serious moments on the whole its a goofy halloween story which some may not be into after Enies Lobby
not every arc can be hype like enies lobby to the maximum. We need breathers in between imo
Did you read it week to week while it was coming out in the manga... or worse... did you watch the anime as it was airing? (not being condescending... i genuinely want to know if that opinion is because you didn't watch weekly or despite watching weekly)... The fact that it is sandwiched in between 2 amazing sagas definitely does not help it's case... but what broke people is that it was too long a wait each week for very little development in every chapter/episode... The episodes/chapters ended and you felt like (literally in this particular case) nothing happened in most of them... As a whole the arc is in between OK and GOOD (the end was still awesome) but the whole arc got diluted week to week... Had it had the same content in 70% of it's length the arc would have been between good and great instead...
@@jorgitosilva that like every arc week to week lol.
That's just a generic excuse from people who are easy to please, even if this same arc was to come between 2 terrible arcs before and after wouldn't excuse this one for being trash.
Enies Lobby is/was the "judicial" island where pirates are always condemned, Impel Down instead is the prison which is in another location. Geography is everything!
Yeah she mixes up the 3 Government bases.
Tekking!
Everything?
To be fair, we know we can get to Impel Down through Enies Lobby, so it makes sense she'd assume, they would need to go back there either way
@@shadez123 Yes i know, is funny how in a sense she is right, yet in other occasions she confused the two so i just wanted to clarify it
"Why she don't squish the balls of everyone"
Because she know that this is messed-up!! Have mercy God dammit! ;-;
Oda actually wrote an one-shot manga called "Monster" featuring the journey of the legendary Samurai Ryuma ( the one Zoro fought) which is kinda (somewhat) canon to the story. You can read that manga for his background
It's not canon to his story, but that Ryuma is the direct inspiration for Zoro, Mihawk (less so), and the One Piece version of Ryuma, in "Monsters" it's not set in Wano, the Mihawk type figure is a fraud, also Ryuma likely fought a dragon for very different reasons in OP.
@@JonaD757 true, but it could be read as a “prequel” to One Piece
@@JonaD757 it is canon. Confirmed. He was talked about in Wano.
@@JonaD757 what? Didn’t Oda confirm it was the same Ryuma in an SBS?
@@olaman it's same name, similar character, but not the same world.
The thing that makes moria brilliant is that he is literally a shadow of his former self. He's washed up. He had a crew he trusted, and Kaido killed them all so he makes zombies he can discard so he doesn't have to experience loss again. The major theme of this arc IS loss I feel like, because it is the theme that ties Moria and Brook together.
And not just them, early on you see how hogback dealt with losing cindry which was to cling onto her although she's already long gone, later on the shadows symbolize their dreams and how they deal when someone takes away their spirits that's how they all acted, like it's not an option to live without their dreams and as kuma is presented they have the actual representation of death... "If you would lose everything right now, where would be your paradise?" carrying a bible around... The book that preaches how everyone gets into paradise after their death, represents how all of the straw hats would die for their captain
I would add Perona to the character having a link with the whole "loss theme" of the arc.
(Potential spoiler WARNING, I don't know if the following element can be consider spoiler since it comes from SBS infos and vivre card and so far doesn't have an effect on the story).
We know since the "young version drawing" of Perona that during her childhood she had a pet bear called Kuma-a (kumae), then during the Moria pact panel with Hogback we can see her with a teddybear called Kuma-b (kumaby) and during Thriller Bark we of course have the bear-zombie Kuma-c (Kumacy).
That naming pattern, I think tend to show us that Perona still miss Kuma-a since he possibly passed away (I'm not sure if Kuma-a death was confirmed ) and the sorrow caused by this loss could be one of the reason that pushed Perona to join the thriller bark pirates at a young age. (Maybe Moria promised her to bring back her Kuma and make her all the "cute" zombie animal that she wanted with the medical skills of their soon-to-be doctor Hogback and his power )
"One scene that I really didn't like." What could she be referring to- oh, right. That scene.
Pronunciation Corner:
Moria -- moore-EE-uh
Hogback -- you got this one just fine
Perona "Ghost girl" -- per-own-uh
"magic paper" Vivre card -- VEEV-ruh card
Glad you noticed the dichotomy of the two groups entering this haunted island. Also, glad you enjoyed the Luffy pushing the zombie scene. If you're not still following along with the anime, I'd recommend opening up an incognito tab (so it doesn't affect your recommended videos) and searching "thriller bark luffy zombie" to watch the scene animated.
"Ghost girl, shining star." Yes join in the love for Perona the Ghost Princess.
"I want my non-stakes please." Merphy would like her One Piece to be vegetarian style, please!
Fun thing about the samurai that carries Brooke's shadow and fought Zoro: he's the main character in a one-shot chapter that Oda wrote before One Piece. I believe it's called "Monsters."
While the Sanji stuff is disappointing, I'm really glad that we've gotten to a point in the series where you're excited to talk about Usopp. Our normal human has had some great scenes to shine in these few arcs.
Fun thing about Brook. He lived as a skeleton, alone on a ship, for about 50 years. His puns can be considered a form of coping that he told himself as he nearly went insane from loneliness. The perverted part of him can be uncomfortable, but also remember that he hasn't really seen a woman in that half century, so his filter might be a bit broken on what's appropriate to ask. Anyways, if you're not still following the anime, try looking up "Bink's Sake" in an incognito tab so that you can actually hear the song that Brook sings with his crew.
Merphy's about as excited for mermaids as Sanji.
Oh man, some of the things that Merphy has said in this video makes me look forward to next week's video, and some of the ones coming up.
If enies lobby was about how much the crew meant to luffy,thriller bark showed why the crew deserved that insane dedication from Luffy.
I also really appreciate that luffy proves his dedication to the crew, and THEN they show why that dedication is warranted. Good leadership there.
When Merphy started reading One Piece I was like "I wonder what she'll think of Sanji in Thriller bark" considering she didn't like him that much. But then she started being far more optimistic about the character and I got like "Oh man, she really won't like Sanji in Thriller Bark"
Yup, as a Sanji stand I must admit this is the most disappointing moment in One Piece.
There is this forced sexist humor that Oda keeps doing with Sanji and I don't understand why he keeps doing it lol. The japanese fans must love it, there is no other explanation
@@caetanyyy that the intentional character flaw Sanji has. He's a simp and a perv, but also badass
This is the arc that made me dislike Sanji, sadly i’ve never really liked him much after this. His character did a whole 180 for me
I get it maked him flawed and never overpowered ans spontanic, but oda really overdoes it. Like thatvhe respects that zombie as woman, fine, thats good butvthe other, too much oda too much.
You claim to be a Sanji stand but dont want to acknowlege his character flaw? You're just like saying you love your girlfriend if she wears makeup but hate her face when she's not wearing it...
“Moria” is pronounced like the mines in Lord of the Rings.
That would kind of be interesting to see the Mines of Moria in a Lords of the
Rings spin-off of One piece.
It's like Moria just being a manager of mine that's all... and all the miners happen to be undead.
Mariah Carey, mistress of shadows.
I prefer the way she pronounces it because in Spanish moria is a female name
I speak ñ, and I have never heard the name Moria for a woman, or anything. Is nice to learn something new.
The only thing i liked about Absalom is how Oda used him to introduce Lola and Nami friendship, changing de "girls competition" into a women supporting women moment
Re-reading One Piece I find it insane how respectful Oda is when tackling very "touchy" subjects like harassment, racism, xenophobia, but also more modern subjects like trans-identities
and he did that OVER 10 YEARS AGO !!
Re-reading Impel Down and Fishman Island arcs blew me away because there was no way I would have caught all that back in the day and those are topics very much at the forefront today.
Are you disrespecting my man Namizo? :D
@@arenkai unpopular opinion, Fishman Island is the most constantly underrated Arc in one piece, its certainly not the best but its better then alot of people give it credit for
@@jeremygeller9145 Let´s be honest, no arc in One Piece is bad. Ones can be better than other´s but none until now can be called "bad". Some arcs are hated due to week-to-week pacing or even because the anime made them "worse" in terms of pacing and animation. A lot of people that re-read those arcs end up changing their opinions and consider them "underrated". Every arc has interesting characters, good plot points, good worldbuilding and good fights. Fishman island, Thriller Bark, Spypeia and Dressrosa are good examples of arcs people hated on the first go, but ended up loving on the second
Thriller Bark is really underrated.
One thing thats commonly missed by most readers about this arc is how Thriller Bark is actually one big metaphor for depression. In this arc it’s specifically stated that Shadows are part of the soul. So Moria quite literally steals a piece of your soul and leaves you to forever hide in the Darkness. Never to step out into the light again. Light represents hope. Whats more, Moria himself is doing all of this because he himself is depressed. He crew was murdered. He sunk into the shadows, and now he drags others into the shadows of depression. Stealing their ability to stand in the light. To have hope.
So characters been living in the shadows, trapped in the deep dark bowels of depression. Unable to ever again see the light. Which has become like poison to them. Hope itself has become poison.
Certain moments become so much more powerful when read through this lens. Like Lola saying she refuses to live in the darkness(depression) anymore and chooses to cling to light(Hope) even knowing that hope may destroy her. Life comes with great pain and risk but you can't live in the darkness forever. Eventually, you have to come out of the shadows.
Brook’s final speech perfectly caps off the arc by encapsulating the entire story in a single sentence. “There was never a day that was easy, and I had given up all hope”. Summing up the experience of Thriller Bark in a nutshell. But after getting the piece of his soul that was missing, and being able to stand in the light again, Brook tells us, “I’m so glad to be alive”.
Not only is this beautiful storytelling but it’s also really shocking that One Piece is able to handle such a mature topic so seriously. Theres a genuine sincerity to the story and characters despite all the comedy and I don’t think most other writers could have pulled off perfectly blending comedy with such a tragic story.
The problem is this is between the water seven saga and war for the summit saga...
You've put it beautifully my friend
(Spoilers)
I also love how fitting Moria is for this section of the series as the next saga has to teach Luffy to think about the consequences of his actions. Moria does not think about the consequences of his actions when going into the new world (he also hasn’t learned as shown when he invaded a Yonko’s territory to rescue absalom) and now he is a shadow of his former self.
Please also note that Oda seamlessly connected Moria's story with his Shadow power. After all that happened to Moria's crew in the New World, he never again considered recruiting live crew members again. Instead, he heavily relied on his devil fruit to amass an army of zombies (which will never die). He, on the other hand, just lazed off day in and day out, letting his shadows do all the work for him. From a proud pirate declaring war against Kaido of all people to a depressed Shichibukai that just wants to oppress common folks to share his misery with them. He literally became a SHADOW of his former self.
And it's also why Moria comes across so lazy, he's been just sleeping for weeks ..
When she said there was one scene that she really didn't like I immediately assumed it was going to be the scene where Absalom practically assaults Nami in the bath. So, I was surprised when it turned out to be the part where Sanji engages in the classic, almost ubiquitous, shounen trope of boys voicing their inner desires to peep on girls in the bath (but generally never succeeding in doing so). I guess, when seeing it from the point of view of someone who isn't desensitised to that particular trope, it is rather creepy and off-putting.
I'm finding that I really appreciate and enjoy her point of view on this series. I especially liked her idea that the things the characters said when affected by the negative ghosts revealed aspects of their personality that they would usually keep to themselves. I'd never though of it that way, but it made sense and I liked it.
I'm looking forward to more great One Piece reviews.
Yeah, I think it's mostly about how exposed you are to it. I have noticed there's a lot of "anime bullshit" that people learn to accept because they love everything else about it, but when introducing it to newer people, especially later in life, it's harder to overlook.
Well Absaloms scene is creepy, he's a villain and is set up to be so, so we get excited for Sanji to beat his ass.....
Only to find out Sanji wanted to do the same thing, which is not only very disappointing, actively goes against how Sanji has been set up the ENTIRE series so far. He was always portrayed as someone who LOVES women and is chivalrous to a fault, which was beat into him by Zeff, so it's also a trait that leads back to his respect of his father figure. It's a fault of his, but one based on good intentions and how he was taught.
So to see him out of nowhere admit he wishes he could sexually harass women is so weird, especially since it's almost never mentioned again like it never should've been a part of his character
I think it's just that many of us are desensitized to this kind of bullshit and don't notice it anymore/overlook it
Yeah, cause it’s always been a huge troupe in waifu and perverts in ton of anime. With the cultural shift in how women are treated as well, it can be very off putting.
A good example is wrestling. From Bra & Panties or mud wrestling and stripping, to divas, to women who actually show case phenomenal matches.
Yeah I expected the bath scene which I wasn't bothered by, after all, we are kind of vaccinated on feeling bothered by this stuff after watching/reading so much anime/manga. But I get it, it was a weird joke and it threw me off as well.
Joking periodically about Sanji being a pervert when he's the only one is one thing, saying he'll say the same as the villain (when Sanji's perv jokes are just he wanting to see women on bikinis), was pretty weird.
A thing that is very interested about Moria is about how he become like this. If you pay attention to this arc, you can see that he is now just a shadow of his old self. It heavily imply from this arc that he use to have a different crew but he lost all of them in the fight with Kaido, one of the Four Emperor. This incident hurt him so much that he chose this path, the path that turn all his crew to zombie so that he won't lose any of them again. Oda don't show his backstory but you can pierce it together by the conversation in this arc
Not just implied, he pretty much says it straight himself!
And only has a few useful crew members to help him: assolblom observes the ppl, perona negatively attacks them, moria cuts the shadows out, dr. Phil makes zombies from dead corpses and uses the shadows to bring them back. So basically he's making disposable underlings so he never has to experience it again.
Thank you for pointing this out. I was hoping someone would. I feel like so many people gloss over this or miss it when it is such an important thematic element of this arc (dealing with loss) and an important contrast between Moria and Luffy.
CHAPTER 900+/- SPOILER
Quite heartbreaking that Absalom, one of the few crewmates he could still lose, ended up getting killed by BB
@Xinyman8nmy Nynmm It's not. Moria does say that he failed against Kaido. And Kaido is mentionned as an Emperor on chapter 483 :)
Brook's sense of humor and panties obsessions is for sure because of his having partially lost his mind from isolation for 50 years. Hes socially awkward and easy to excite and likes to make dumb unfunny jokes all because he hasnt interacted with ACTUAL LIVING PEOPLE in decades. Its an important part of his character to fully understand that. Music and Laboon were probably the only things that kept him going.
Wow, I never thought of it like that
He's also literally out of touch with the current generation like a great-grandpa from a far-off village.
I'd like to add to that with the fact that not only has brook not interacted with people for 50 years but he specifically hasnt interacted with women. I've heard stories of male prisoners who, after being released from prison, acted weirdly or innapropriately around women purely because it had been so long since they had seen one as weird as that sounds so Brook asking women about their panties may be a side effect of those 50 years of loneliness and lack of companionship
Yeah you can almost taste how 50years alone might move one towards the extreme, the jokes ends with the I'm dead and starts with can i see your panties. After a little while it's the only thing that get a proper reaction from the dead before even that turns stale and he can't find any place worse to go.
Didn't think of it like that he he first time though, instead it bothered me that we got another perv with stale jokes on the crew...
no1 gaf
Some people don't usually like Perona because of her design but I love it. It's gothic but cute at the same time.
I only liked her because I found it funny when strong characters get depressed and say stuff like "I want an ant to step on me", especially when Zoro says "I'm sorry I was born" and then Sanji mocks him in the next scene and even the Cerberus laughs.
Fun fact: Robin in this arc starts to call the crew by their names, before she'd call them "Navigator" ou "Long Nose" for not thinking of a long term stay, but now she trusts them!
Fr*nch
Thriller Bark is a reminder that One Piece is actually one big story about “bringing hope back”. Which is the reason it’s so uplifting despite all it’s tragedy. Oda is a writer that just sincerely cares about people and wants people to be ok. Thats why you get such a wonderful uplifting feeling from One Piece. Oda is bringing light to peoples lives with his story.
This is when everybody starting to realize Oda is so good with forshadowing.
Ok buckaroo
I would be more Ok without having to go through this arc.
@@hydrocy.9165 😂
I have to respect the pfp
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Merphy: LOL ;)
“The little whale” disrespectful, Labooooooonnnn our precious little whale. Nice review again though, love your reviews keep going.
I laught out loud [yes the written out version] at the Laboooooonnn part. I just couldn`t help it but hear Laboooooonnn in my head it was uncanny.
so thanks. ^^
Smh, even Luffy remembers
You know despite all the negative stuff in the anime compared to manga like pace and stuff, moments like that, laboon, "nothing happened" and bink's sake are really priceless
For me Worst part of Brook's backstory isn't his friends dying (even though sad) it was loneliness for 50 years. That is just madness. Anyone else would've already gone mad but Brook for the sake of his promise held on to his Sanity for 50 years
I'M SO HAPPY TO BE ALIVE
he barely held on to his sanity tho, in the flashback he does not seemed to laugh as he did now, did not make excessive jokes as he is now, and many different things that is very different than how he was in the flash back, the promise and the self made enjoymentalone on a ship filled with bones of his friends is what kept him barely sane
I always found that to be such a great way to explain just how crazy brook is and to me what makes his pervy humor seem much less offensive, because the dude has litterally spent 50 years alone with the corpses of his comrades. The fact that he is as collected as he is when they meet him is downright incredible.
I'm sure he did go crazy, got bored of that and became sane again
@@ruga-ventojmust be so bored that he got his sanity back
"I barely know Ace!"
Time to learn what Oda does best, in my opinion. Also, this is perfect timing to find this channel.
Fun fact: This arc was supposed to happen before Enies Lobby, but Oda had picked out Franky's japanese voice actor and loved him so much he introduced him first.
I agree with Oda. The va for Franky/Mr 2 is fantastic
Where did you got this information from lol
@@Trxpamvs I don't think we've ever gotten OFFICIAL confirmation outright, but we do have some evidence that Thriller Bark was originally gonna come before Water 7 + Enies Lobby. In Databook Green there's a sketch of the Straw Hats were they each have their joining number order assigned to them, and originally Brook was #8 while Franky was #9. So that's definitely a sign Oda switched things up.
I like Moria a lot, he's a broken hasbeen trying his hardest to sidestep his way toward his goals without getting hurt again. Kaido really did a number on the guy. Also note that Kuma asked Moria where he wanted to go and got called out for it, signaling Morias knowledge and raw experience with major players in the world.
Yeah, I like him too. The dude is overhated by the community.
@0ホアキン typical One Piece "fans". Honestly, for me, the quirkiness of the characters is the charm of One Piece. I never disliked the character design, except for...
Spoiler:
Orochi and Raizo. Like, lol, their head is so big, and that's annoying for me 🤣
@@moderndayphilosopher9782 same here,i love the huuuge variety in xharacter designs
The only one i really dont like is
[SPOILERS]
Momonosuke, idk why but i just dont vibe with it in the slightest
Yeah, he's my favorite character in the series
@@moderndayphilosopher9782 raizo is the best he will solo Kaido
It's actually absurd how much this arc matters. I am a week to week reader and this, along with Skypiea, was one of my least favorites of all time. It wasn't until I got into the rhythm of rereading from the beginning after every major arc ends that I grew to appreciate both of them.
Also, it's "More-ee-uh".
Love this whole journey so far and I'm about to start another marathon once the most current arc wraps up. Keep'em coming Merphy!
merphy: Lower the stakes this is causing me stress
oda: no holding back
yep, Next arc is going to be hard on her
@@sohailsadaqat6684 next few arcs lmao. She won't survive this.
Oh boy
The next saga is gonna stressed her out
Yeah when she mentioned that i was like "oh boy..."
"[Perona] was really the shining star of this arc"
ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
Hey Merphy
Fun fact
The swordsman that zoro fought is the protagonist of Oda's previous novel 'Monster'.
Don't feel bad about giving your honest opinion about the Sanji stuff, even though you might get some push back from certain fans. I've found the whole Sanji perv shtick to be annoying at times but ultimately brushed it off as standard Japanese humour. I get where you're coming from though and you make some valid points.
Exactly! Oda ran wild with Sanji’s gag. It has only gotten more stupider and annoying with each passing arc. But his hardcore fans refuse to admit it. Unless Sanji’s operating under a different meaning of the word “gentleman” the character’s a walking contradiction.
My problem is that it gets repetitive quite fast and beyond a point it's too cringy and hard to excuse.
I agree with all that and Sanji is my favorite strawhat :)
@@Sebster85 I wouldn't call myself a Sanji fan, but I do actually think that his gag got better with time because I appreciate how it was integrated into the actual plot several times (the first time being when he couldn't fight bubble lady because he doesn't hurt women, AT ALL, but I'm sure you know which others I'm talking about; FMI and WCI specifically). So in a way I wouldn't say it got worse, in a way it got better because at least now there's a point to it, but Thriller Bark was definitely the lowest point of it and it ruined Sanji for me completely to the point where I tolerate him but can't quite get myself to LIKE him anymore.
And it's not just One Piece. I'm just SO, SO tired of this dumb trope/gag of the resident pervert in shounen and wish it would just die already...😩
Everytime I start something new, within a few chapters/episodes it's like "Oh great, here we go again..."
@@sleepysera I agree that the gag was fine when it wasn’t exaggerated. I can’t wait to see Murphy’s reaction to Fish-Men Island and Punk Hazard. I get it that some simply find Sanji’s antics funny. I find them sometimes annoying and somewhat creepy.
I was worried when the timer was almost done and merphy hasn't even mentioned Laboon but whew! relieved thank you as always
I think that the reason why she keeps these moments at the end and brief because she doesn’t want to break down and cry lol
Enies Lobby - alot happened,
Thriller Bark- nothing happened.
Theres a bit of a misreading there with Sanji's situation which is understandable since it's your first viewing. You're still totally allowed to dislike it but I want to clarify a few things.
The Theme of this arc is "Shadows". Each of the strawhats opponents this arc is a shadow(a dark reflection) of themselves. Chopper a Doctor, faces off against a dark Doctor one who neglects the Doctor's oath(hippocratic oath) and disrespects life. The difference between them being that Chopper protects and preserves life while Hogback abuses it. Usopp who is negative faces off against Perona who uses the power of negativity. Though while Perona uses her power of negativity to drag others down, Usopp uses his negativity to keep his crew safe from dangers they would have otherwise ignored. Sanji and Absolom are both lustful. Absolom is the dark side of Lust. He forces himself onto women without their consent and ignores their well being. Even going so far as to put their lives at risk for his own desires. He's a literal perverted Beast. Whereas Oda is showing that Sanji is the opposite. He may be filled with lust from time to time but he always puts a woman's well being above his own and would never force himself on a woman like Absolom does. This is symbolically shown in the scene where he holds Nami above himself while he takes damage. Literally putting her well being above himself. Oda is not saying that they're the same but rather highlighting how they are different. Next is Zoro vs Ryuuma. You may not know this but Ryuuma was once the world's greatest swordsman. So this battle is one of the Former world's greatest swordsman vs the Future world's greatest swordsman. The difference between them being that Ryuuma's spirit is not his own. The shadow of someone else guides his blade. So he isn't one with his sword like Zoro is. Zoro willingly carries Kuina's spirit through his blade but Ryuuma's is forced to move by Brook's.
Last is Luffy & Moria. Both are men who sought to become Pirate King but Ever since he was crushed by Kaido, Moria has grown lazy. This makes him weak. He's literally become a shadow of his former self. Just like his power. Whereas Luffy knows he needs a strong reliable crew to support him on the path to Pirate King but unlike Moria, Luffy is willing to give it his all for his crew while Moria doesn't put in any effort at all. Making others do everything for him.
Needs more likes, very well said :)
I had never really considered this as a whole and this really helps me appreciate this arc a lot more!
Great interpretation of the arc. I never noticed or looked at it this way. Makes me appreciate it more.
Great Breakdown
With moria its really forshadowing. Moria gave in his despair while luffy, yeah
It's very telling that when you say "one scene" negatively, we ALL know what you're referring to
It's so sad that sanji continues to be a creep to this day,I really fucking hate the wano bathhouse scene
@@johnnycripple1930 He was living his dream's in Wano😂 but fr though Oda really put a stain on the best written character in the series. Kind of sad, but I personally don't mind it.
I was actually considering one of these two when I heard that: either Sanji's invisibility crap, or the rapey bathroom scene.
@@johnnycripple1930 ehh I get its something that can easily be disliked but the creep part of his love of woman is rare and people conflate that with his general love of woman. This scene and that other scene in this recent arc are the only times I can think of where I can see why people don't like it but In general he just loves woman to much and some people hate that.
I dont think its so bad as much as its just part of japanese culture that we americans just dont get. In a culture where at one point baths were shared and nudity wasnt a big deal till the 1800's when the west tried to shame Japan for not having Christian sensibilities about sex and in the 1950's when America came in and Mcarthy with all his conservative prude sensibilities basically censored all nudity. We also neglect how their cultural attitudes are around nudity since they have always had and still have open floor shared public baths.
In that cultural context "perverts" are not seen as in the same way in other places. Really think about how our attitudes would change around nudity and peeking on people if we had shared baths, inevitably people would peek, especially teen boys, and our reactions would be less extreme over time. Just look at how social media and cell phones have changed how we treat nudity in just 15 years.....just compare only fans in 2021 compared to myspace in 2005 or reality tv from those two years..
edit: I just saw the scene yall were talking about and i was wrong that was super cringey. I thought yall were talking about the peeking while invisible in the shared baths and the way they treat perversion in general in japan.
The second you mentioned not liking one scene, we all knew what you were talking about, and we all agree. It really sucks how men being creeps is a trope in this genre and I can't agree more about how it ruins decades of character growth.
Side note: I love that you call him "Mariah" and almost don't want to correct you, but it's "Moria" like The Mines of Moria in The Lord of the Rings.
A huge issue with a lot of media foreign or older. Is the difference in what is considered funny and ok makes a lot of stuff really hard to like.
This is definitely the worst of it though. Being too madly in love with girls can be annoying st times but this is one of the only times it's extra active and creepy
@@Zalied oh god. the older part. yeah i remember trying to read older literature recommended by my teacher years back. i couldnt get past the first chapter, lol. the whole motivation of the protagonist seemed to be he wanted to own (legit that was the wording used lmfao rip) this woman he only saw a couple of times, going as far as saying he'd even be willing to, well, sexually assault her. just to seal the deal i guess.
i thought that maybe the story would be him growing out of that mentality or whatever. nope. peeped the epilogue: he got the girl, with the exact same entitlement and toxic ownership in his internal monologue. and it was a highly respected literary work in my country. 🥲
I felt that Brook works better in the anime, where you can hear his voice actor, that does a really good job at portraying the madness that is Brook's personality (I'll admit to be found of the skull jokes, cause it plays so well with him saying "I'm so glad to be alive"). The Sanji scene was a big turn off for a lot of people, but I was glad that Nami was the one who took Absalom out.
Sanji was one of my favorite Straw-Hats for moments like the Mr. Prince moment in Alabasta and his thinking outside the box in Enies Lobby. He was so cool not because of his fighting but the way he used his head and his stubborn way of protecting women was endearing to me. However Thriller Bark kind of ruined my enjoyment of him and all these years later I still can't find the same kind of respect for the man that I used to have. Sanji became a pervy gag character and that's all he is now. It's not funny and it never was. This isn't the only time Oda has made me think less of Sanji. It still continues to this day.
@@sindri1447 Whole cake island redeemed the characther of Sanji for me
@@constantinescuvlad1718 yeah! i think it shows clear at that point who really sanji is and why he is like the way he is. sanji had a long time an uncompleted image of his character so that the reader couldn't understand his character right. Like the wrong impression of an Sanji agent that cares of the things in the background. He did that in certain situation but he wasn't that type, who could fit that role, if you know his real past later.
*Also the reason why he really wanted the invinsible fruit at first.
@@sindri1447 You must have missed WCI.
@@sindri1447 I'm sorry but I can't take people like you seriously, you utterly minimize a character that spans hundreds of chapters into one bad moment he truly has. You can think his pervy gag just isn't that funny and fair enough but that's not his whole character either. And you say Sanji keeps disappointing you but honestly how? What has he done that's so bad that he keeps disappointing you?
Yes, Perona is definitely one of the best parts of this arc.
This was so fascinating to listen. I’ve been trying to get my wife to read one piece for ages now and failed miserably at it. But a woman’s perspective on the Pervy humour which I would otherwise find ‘harmless’ and ‘quirky’ was quite enlightening.
The fact that thriller Bark is a ship ties in with a comment that vivi made to nami Where she was sure a bath as huge as the one in the royal palace could be found on a ship. I didn't realise it until my recent reread
OP is filled with such story spoilers. Where a persons fantasy or comment ends up being a real place.
The most famous ones are the Ussop lies.
Like how he once claimed to have fought a goldfish, large enough to swallow islands.
A beast that they did encounter during LittleGarden.
Another one is, when the Strawhats discussed, what type of shipwright they want. Luffy’s scribble ends up looking similar to Franky.
WOAH did not know this
I highly suggest you watch the anime version of Brook's back story, it just hits different with the music! OR just listen to Binks Sake while reading it.
true
It's a heavely musical moments, and in the end the anime did it justice
Just for the record, back at Water 7 when they persuaded Franky, Robin was telling the truth when she said she didn't do anything to him. From what she had just been through, she recognized that Franky wouldn't allow himself to be true to his own feelings and wishes, so she gave him an excuse to cry and get "forced" to join the crew.
Oh she absolutely did bring him pain at first, it's just that she stopped it quite soon while Franky pretended she was still going at it
Merphy: "I want my no stakes back"
Me: "Oh you sweet summer child...."
yeah the wild ride is about to start XD
This series rivals TotallyNotMark's review series on One Piece and I am here for it
Omg ur totally right
I like this more because TNM was rushing it little and skipped many scenes, especially in Dressrosa and WCI.
@@momoz4427 definitely, I wish he had been able to take more time and make even better reviews for his series
I was thinking the same thing! I hope she gets to watch his videos after she catches up
@@SM-bs9dj check yeah! They are great quality! I wish he was able to spend more time on each section. I love that she does 50ish minute reviews!
The nothing happened moment in the anime was so badass. When zoro says “luffy will become the pirate king” with just utter confidence in the face of death is my moment to look to when I think of what a loyal friend will do.
I love that like she said all the comments are basically people telling her to not read the comments 😂
I'm so confused about people who said not to read arc names. What arc name spoils anything? I think people go to far with that stuff , not reading comments I understand or even looking up arcs but not knowing the name going in?
@@latima123ify the war arc, the impel down arc, the fishman island arc(through, thats not really a surprise)
@@Mohamed-uf9bz it does. Remember impel down and the arc name /place where luffy goed next. It gives hints about what happens in impel down.
@@latima123ify The upcoming saga, one of the arcs is titled ***spoiler***
Straw Hat's Separation Serial which is a huge spoiler
@@latima123ify i mean the name of next saga after this is a huge spoiler
"Forget the mermaids...(don't forget the mermaids - we're coming back to the mermaids)"
In your own words - "That's good stuff!" The reason I watch 😆
I love that you talk about that aweful side of Sanji that many people shrug off as 'normal', this is an important criticism people need to hear.
Maria, im ded
It’s so very good. That’s what I’m calling him from now on. It is what he deserves.
Maraia 😂
Well she is in to loligoth or gothic lolita...
Georginia Maria
'Mariah' kinda killed me. 🤣
Just to clarify, Merphy, Moriah's name is pronounced like 'Moria' from the LotR.
"A Beautiful Swordswomen with Meat is here!"
😂😂😂😂 Absolute gold!
Rebecca usop never lies haha.
Fucking Oda
“That’s b*llshit” FINALLY someone said it. I hate how that is everyone’s excuse for the Pervy humor that is present in almost every shonen manga/anime. And one piece is one of the shows where it isn’t AS bad. But also, fair warning. The pervy humor in general gets worse over the next couple arcs.
Does it? I don't think so. There's a moment in the current arc that's probably as bad.
@@davidwilson6577 well I am currently in dressrosa so that would explain my ignorance
NO SPOILERS
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but Brook and Moria are good foils to one another.
Both lost their crews- Moria in the past was an ambitious pirate who, as a result of engaging in a bloody battle with the Emperor Kaido, tragically led his entire crew to their untimely deaths.
Brook lost his crew to the merciless grandline, where destructive weather, sudden sickness, and enemy pirates plague every island and every corner of the sea.
They both lost their crews, but the way they dealt with their trauma is different.
Moria decided to close himself off and not bond with any new crew member, opting instead to “raise the dead”, perhaps to compensate for failing his crew (as a captain, he recklessly got them killed in a duel with one of the emperors).
Brook instead chose to retain hope that one day he would reunite with laboon and also at the end of the arc when he asks Luffy if he could join the strawhats, he broke into joyful tears when he realized he was able to live long enough to find new friends, to embark on yet another adventure.
“I’m so happy I’m still alive!”
Never would he have thought these words were true. For 50 years he had only the bones of his friends to accompany him. Living must’ve been one endless depressing state of loneliness.
But in the end, Brook never gave up on living. He had hope that he could reunite with Laboon, and he was rewarded with Luffy’s arrival into his life.
He didn’t know it then, but for 50 years he was waiting for new friends with whom he could travel the world again.
thats all spoilers.
Good grief
@@123LuffyDMonkey How is that spoilers? It was all in this arc.
@@sleepysera Kaido isnt mentioned in the arc tho
@@123LuffyDMonkey Oh sorry, i meant no spoilers for people who've read thriller bark.
Robins nothing reactions to all this creepy insane crap is everything to me.
Yeah from what I’ve seen it seems like the whole invisibility scene with sanji is a lot of people’s, including myself, least favorite scenes with the character (like you said went from simp to creep). However with what is done for the characters backstory later, be it intentional or not, does kinda recontextualize why he wanted the clear clear fruit
Luffy shoving the zombie back into the ground has its own separate fanbase😂
Sanji is one of my favourite characters but yeah I completely dislike his whole perv side, at first it’s whatever but it’s overplayed in anime/manga in general so at the very least it’s just an old, boring joke now
It's been a while since I've read One Piece but from what I remember, the only thing that makes it salvageable is that Sanji may *say* he wants to do all that stuff, but I don't believe he actually ever does them. He's still kind of a perv but in his usual, more harmless way.
@@chiefpurrfect8389 well, in Wano he goes into a bathhouse whilst being invisible to perve on Nami and other girls, so... yeah, sadly it seems to me he would do those things. If you disagree, all good, but the evidence seems to point towards him actually wanting to do those things
@@edwardaverros3028 Okay, I haven't caught up to Wano yet (as I said it's been a while) so now there's that I guess. Goddammit Oda.
@@edwardaverros3028 That was a mixed public bathroom, there were both men and women. He was not there to perv
@@KLawrence-mn7gh then why was he invisible? He could've just gone in normally or in disguise, but he chose not to instead.
There's a really nice filler episode 384. Which is a whole 20 minute character moment filled episode and it's all about brook trying to fit into the crew dynamic on a quiet day aboard the thousand sunny topped off with a really nice pay off at the end. It's not a must see but for even manga readers its a really nice calm episode and I think its really up Merphy's alley.
Hope this doesnt get lost in the comments!
Thanks for the recommendation
In this saga there is what for me is one if not the best Joke of One Piece, that is when Luffy puts the Zombie back underground. 😂
I’m caught up to chapter 1017 and that’s hands down my favorite One Piece gag
Iconic
There’s so much foreshadowing here for the current arc. Definitely benefits from a reread when you’re fully caught up, especially regarding Moria’s character
The mighty Warlord of the Sea, Stealer of Shadows, Ruler of Thriller Bark, GECKO MORIA
Merphy: Balloon shadow stealing guy..? mAriAh..?
I died
Ever since he got clapped by a certain someone Moria has been down bad. You can even say he's a *shadow* of his former self...
She pronouncing it as Moriah, which is a common name and isn’t far off.
@@UltimatePower01 ik..just having fun mate...
Well, Robin can feel everything her extra appendages touches. Do you really want Robin to do that every time?
EDIT: Also, Robin's response to the Paw-Paw Fruit is wonderful.
EDIT2: Get someone to show you Brook singing Bink's Sake (don't go looking yourself to avoid spoilers, natch). Both the English and Japanese versions of it are incredible. There's even a version where all the Strawhats sing it from a Japanese-only album.
Hearing moria being called mariah makes me so much more happy than i could ever imagine
That wedding scene is pretty infamous in the fandom. One thing I'd like to point out as far as Sanji's characterization: when Sanji voices or acts on negative behaviors around women there are negative outcomes to those interactions, and when Sanji is honest and open with women there are positive outcomes to those interactions. This remains pretty consistent throughout One Piece. I think Oda uses each member of the crew to commentate on certain things indirectly.
The next arc is my favorite arc in the entire series, and its just banger after banger for the next like 4 arcs. This next saga shows the very best that One Piece has to offer. I'm so excited to see your reactions!
i'm hyped
Couldnt agree more! I keep telling people the exact same thing
Believe or not, this arc mostly is a set up for some future arcs in the storyline. Some foreshadowing, which Oda is brilliant at. BTW, Ghost Girl is having a blast with her vacation. LOL
Your love for Sanji will rise and fall over the course of the series. By the time you're caught up you'll most likely love him again because he makes up for his failings.
Which is one of the best parts about his character. You get these highs and lows that play off of each other. Enhancing the moments that are great.
Well it depends on what bothers you really. It's just one of his main character flaws (as in intentionally flawed not a dude sucks at writing flaw lol) is one different ppl will have a different reaction to for various factors. I've seen more that to this day find that scene hilarious and an iconic moment of the series, but it's ok that Merphy has an understandable dislike for it.
@@pubixcube27 Bro, making that scene your profile picture is straight messed up, lmao.
Yeah I get why people hate it, but I actually found it funny. Because besides how cool Sanji tiers to be he's still loser at heart. Two things people seem to forget: The Straw Hats are not heroes and Sanji would never hurt a woman.
@@FuckRUclipsAndGoogle 🌚
I completely understand the take on sanji, a lot of the readers had the same at this point of the story ! But hopefully you'll get to the moment where you'll acknowledge that nobody loves these characters more than oda, keep this in mind and continue your journey !
Absolutely, whole cake island ⭐️
Every little details in OP is important. like its crazy when we are in Alabasta Ace gave the piece of paper to luffy and we didnt know anything about it and we completely forgotten and then boom ODA reminded us again that piece of paper is important to the plot
Franky's role in Thriller Bark is kinda similar to Robin in Skypiea. When you go back to it, especially with how aloof Robin is initially (which we late realize is due to her hesitance to form real connections with people) you can really tell how Oda was slowly integrating her into the crew.