Nice video. I live in Honolulu and was pulled over for talking on the phone in downtown. For brevity, the cop pulled me over and although I had a shotgun in its factory box in the back seat, that I had just purchased, he let me off with no ticket. Other than asking what type of shotgun I had, ( apparently out of curiosity), he wasn't interested in looking at it. He just said to not drive with my phone to my ear. Thats what you call Aloha !,,,
Is it against a law in Hawaii to drive and talk on the phone? Positive encounters with law enforcement are likely not a rarity, but they are rarely shared.
THEAR15ONA Yes its against the law. In reality, I have always had nothing but positive encounters with the police, what few times we cross paths, even if I do get a ticket.
Jake Weston HPD is filled with friendly officers. The only time you see them get pissy is when they're dealing with someone giving them attitude. Or if you undercover kicking someone in the head in a game room LOL
You can be leery of them. You can be wary of them. You can't be weary of them. Wait, maybe you can be, because I'm certainly sick and tired of the police state.
Biggest mistake is to tell a cop you're carrying period. Speaking from a cop. If they don't know about it, they don't need to know about it. Keep your wallet on the opposite hip that you carry your firearm, you don't want it to fall out while reaching for your ID. Set yourself up correctly according to your environment, if you know you will be driving. Expect to show your drivers license anytime you're in a vehicle which is why I keep it in my door handle, my breast pocket or in my arm rest. You did not need to step out of your vehicle to sign papers. Don't give an officer the edge to say you tried to draw your gun on him, you never know if the cop is crooked and trying to set you up. Concealed means you hide it and don't say anything about it (or else why call it concealed). The ONLY time you should let them know is if they ask you to step outside of your vehicle.
Do as you will, but I completely disagree. I would rather take my chances of running into that crooked cop who believes he is going to somehow profit off me in an illegal manor, or go out of his way and put his job and livelihood on the line in order to try and "frame" me for something than to cause a moment of stress or possible panic if the officer notices my undeclared weapon. All of that is really a waste of time for me to even consider since in my state the police will know that you are a permit holder if you are pulled over in a vehicle registered to you.
Here's where you screwed up. First, you never pull over immediately. Officers enjoy at least a ten mile chase in hot pursuit. Speeds of over 100 mph on city streets gets their adrenaline flowing. The next thing you should have done was to assert your rights. Police officers love to engage verbally with street lawyers. Third you shouldn't have cooperated with that officer in any way. Resisting arrests allows them to use their batons and/or taser and allows you the opportunity to claim police brutality. You must be very new to concealed carry and/or you tube. :)
When I lived in Dallas I had a CHL permit for years and carried either a Glock 26 9mm or a Seecamp 32 or both. Once I was pulled over for speeding in the city. I followed the same over all procedure as THEAR15ONA except I didnt roll down my windows because it was cold outside. The cop walked up and told me I was going 10mph over the limit and asked why. I told him the truth, that I was going home to pick up my dad to catch a movie and was running late. Naturally he asked for my license and insurance and I as I handed him the said documents, I also handed my CHL card and informed him that I was packing. He asked for the location of the firearm but wasn't interested in looking at it. He then did his regular police check of my IDs and let me on my way with no speeding ticket.
+Jake Weston Only thing I have to say about that is that cops don't like to see people fishing around for documents before they get up to the car. So if your license and permit are clipped to a sun visor then this is all fine, if you have them in a billfold I wouldn't suggest this approach (2x if you have to take your seat belt off to get to it. I had a friend that got a seat belt ticket that way).
+Maxwelhse With all due respect, Im sure no one actually takes the time to clip there ID's to a sun visor just in case they get pulled over. The concern of getting a ticket for no seat belt because it is unbuckled in order to fetch documents while being pulled over, is preposterous.
Jake Weston I've known more than one person that just kept their license stuck to the visor at all times right with their insurance paperwork. They never removed it from the car since that's the only place they needed it. They carried a state or military ID in their wallets. In my state our CCWs are literally just sheets of paper (that you have to cut out and laminate yourself) so it's not uncommon for someone to make a few copies of it and one could be left there too. Also, like I said, I've had a friend that swears up and down he got a seatbelt ticket, on top of the ticket for rolling the sign, for doing exactly what I described. Call him a liar if you want, but he always wore it whenever I saw him in a car for years before and after. All of that said, the moral of my point was not to go digging around in your car until the cop tells you to which is sort of outside the issues you're having with what I said. Now that I re-read your comment I'm not even sure I replied to the right guy because it doesn't seem like you were doing that.
I though arizona did not require a licence to concealed carry, or perhaps this incedent took place before that change. Its true many cops are good guys, but they are very dangerious for the simple reason that there is an absurd double standard applied to them legally. They are far more likely to be given a pass in the courts than an average person so they have less disencentive to do harm. Also many are there to be a bully with a badge, and you cannot tell before hand which are which.
Kind of long and drawn out story but I don't think the fact that you had a firearm when you were pulled over had any bearing on the situation. I've been pulled over because my daylight driving lights were on at dusk and there are no tail lights burning with daylight driving lights. I got a verbal warning and I was on my way. Cop never even asked for my license. It all depends on the cops attitude. Your gun had nothing to do with it.
+Walter Strong And a decent attitude by the person being pulled over goes a long way, too. I carry a subcompact 9mm and I've never had a problem with the police. The life member NRA decal on my rear windshield lets them know that I'm one of the good guys who support my local police.
As an Arizona LEO I can tell u that u did everything 100% correct. Even when u had a bit of doubt when the Ofcr told u do grab your gun and place it on the seat u confirmed w/ him be restating his instructions to u. Well done my friend.
Very well thought out videos and have a great attitude about you. Exactly what the gun community needs to keep maturity and positive growth for the future. Very nice job and keep up the good work.
See this is how a concealed carry stop should go..Letting the cop know your carrying..making sure that everything is clear and understood before actions are made...and being respectful to the cop...the reason stops go bad are mostly people yelling out all sorts of no I dont wish to comply I dont wish to take off my firearm and all sorts of stuff...you can say all that but its just going to make the cop want to keep you there longer and basically ruin your day...great job man well down :)
Yep. People don't realize police can take your firearm from you if they have a legal reason to detain you. Failure to comply can place you under arrest. Police can also have you step out of the car for no reason at all, again, as long as they have a legal reason to detain you; the supreme court has already ruled on it. People make it difficult on themselves, not the police.
Here’s something I learned from a cop who followed me into my apartment building’s driveway and lit me up. I, too, had an inoperative headlight. He said, “come out-I want to show you something.” Sure enough, the headlight was out. “Watch this,” he said as he took a swing at the headlight with his open palm. The light worked, “That works about half the time. It won’t last, so you’d better fix it as soon as you can.” I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. I will miss the friendly officers in my little town.
Yup, depends on what state really. Some require you to offer the information you're conceal carrying, weapon in vehicle or you can be arrested for not mentioning it first off.
You forgot to turn on your interior lights. ALWAYS turn on your overhead interior lights, it gives the cop a better view of what is going on inside your car. Give the all the situational assay possible to discern what they need to know, they will appreciate it. Also, roll only your drivers window down halfway, only half way. It allows clear communication and you ability to hand over necessary documents but still gives a slight physical barrier that prevents you lunging out your driver side window for the cop of his/her weapon.
Someone else recommended the light as well. Solid idea. I guess rolling all windows down could make it seem like I plan to ditch something out of a window as well? Good points.
Lights is good but not rolling down your windows tells most cops you want to hide something or prevent them from reaching in if they have to. Every cop is trained how to remove a non compliant person from a vehicle and it always involves a completely rolled down window. Half rolled down is not illegal but also not helpful if compliance is the goal.
+justin oliver From everything that I was still able to find online- you do not have a legal obligation to tell them. However- if they ask you are required to tell them the truth. Not legal advice though. If I am incorrect on that( it obviously won't change the content of this video since it is old) please share a link of some sort. Thank you for the comment, regardless of which one of us is wrong.
Why would you ever tell them? You just add tension to what would otherwise be a quick traffic stop, they aren't god neither is the law you don't owe them a fucking thing.
+ZIGMAN775 I tell them because if it goes down the path of them asking me to get out of the car, or do you have any weapons on you- I do not want to seem as if I was hiding it. If I were a cop I would want good citizens to hand me their ccw and tell me that they are currently armed so that it didn't come as a surprise later. To each their own.
The Koala GaM3R #1 Only sheep follow all the laws when they are unjust #2 if you are stupid enough to be obviously doing something to get searched you deserve negativity. People like you guy's rant and preach about freedom and then do nothing to fight for it or do any action that is actually free.
Great story. Thank you for sharing it. The police officer that lead our Concealed Carry class said that many officers do value firearms carriers because they have had a background check and it kind of shows you are on the same side...
AZ is Constitutional carry. So no permit needed. But having a permit has its benefits, so I will keep re-uping mine. I completely understand where you are coming from with the police aspect. Check out Nolatac's channel. He has a really good way to put this problem into words in his WWYD series introduction video. I tend to agree with the statements he makes haha.
As a cop, not in the US though, I've gotta say dealing with civvies who appear to be trying to help these little processes along that we have to do is always heartening. We don't really have guns in australia at all unless you are a farmer or a cop, so I can only imagine how much more officers in the states would have to consider their actions and op safety at every dealing all the time. It sounds like you did good though.
1) Absolutely no reason to tell officer you are carrying unless asked. He knew you had a carry permit when he pulled you over. 2) Reason you were asked to remove your concealed gun? See number 1 above. You made the encounter more tense by talking about your gun. It was safer for everyone right where it was in your holster. It's not standard procedure for an officer to have you lay your weapon on your seat AT ALL!
Oh yea, it improved the whole scenario. Freaking joker let you put your hand on your firearm, that's respect. Fix it tickets, pain in the butt, still it got fixed! Your attitude tells the officer a lot about you.
in my humble opinion, i’d rather have my license and CCW permit in hand and tell the officer i am a CCW carrier, here’s my license an permit.....how do you wish to proceed. i’m not entirely comfortable with telling him first and have to reach in my pocket to retrieve my wallet
Had a similar experience in Nashville, luckily Tennessee is a constitutional carry state. As long as you’re respectful and non-shady they’re usual cool about it
common sense indicates you handled yourself very well! and i think the clear notification to the officer that you had a gun did put the officer at ease! and made the total interaction go more smooth! rather than the guy that tells the officer he has a gun THEN reaches for that gun and ends up getting shot-- officers are human and they react to danger much the same way an average citizen does! everyone should roll down window- keep hands in sight- and speak with respect to every officer-
in illinois only if they ask... if you have a gun u tell them also when they pull u over and run your plates they no u have a CCL...comes up on there screen....
Live in South Carolina law requires you to tell them showed my CCW with drivers lic he asked were it is told him his response leave it there and no problems he returned to my truck and said thank you for telling me and just gave me verbal warning
You are lucky. Most cops want to show their superiority, and give you their version of at least a safety training . I think they want to test your skill level carrying and check out your piece.
I live in citrus county fl. I got pull over for speeding I handed the officer my driver lic. & c.w.p. he thank me for showing the c.w,p, and asked if I;m carring, I told him I was , on my hip and i ask him how he would like to proced. he told me it find and walk to his car a few moments later gave me a warning for speeding. I do beleave this got me out of a ticket, because only up standing people have c.w.p. and he new I was no trouble.
Elliot Check Words are important. But I am not sure I understand the correlation you are making honestly. If he takes that as a threat, he misread my meaning. If you say holster, that could be interpreted as an empty holster. Iffy either way I guess.
You're also in the most gun friendly state in the Union.. I'm sure that was a factor. Same exact scenario in California or New York, and I'm sure the experience would have been much less positive.
I have read some of the comments on this video and I can't understand why some people try and make it hard for a routine traffic stop. The officer is just doing what he paid by us to do, personally, if I have a light bulb burned out on my vehicle and not aware of it (it happens) I'm glad that the officer let me know about it. Just a little cooperation on my part goes a long way. Job well done thear15ona.
+jay dee To each their own I guess- I figure my best chances of getting to go home with no extra bills is to make it pleasant, as much as possible at least. Thanks for the comment.
In Texas you are required to tell the officer if you are carrying. I have been pulled over several times once with my family in the car, and have never had a problem with any officer and carrying a concealed weapon. I just give them both my license and tell them I'm carrying they ask where at some have even asked what kind of gun it is. Most of the time I'm pulled over is at night and they are usually looking for DUI or DWI. Once was for a head light too.
Bulldog9mm5.56 It is an uneasy situation for all parties, I hope they don't want to take advantage of the law and make my day suck and they hope the citizen doesn't want to do them harm. Even without the law, I still offer the information out of respect. Thanks for watching.
purely out of curiosity... since its not required to offer the information to an officer that you're carrying a concealed firearm unless otherwise asked (arizona law) ... do you always plan on telling officers that you're armed? like you mentioned, i was always under the impression that reacting in the manner you did would help my situation rather than make it worse. kinda interesting to see that your feeling is the same as mine
***** I would say I plan to inform them straight away basically every time yes. I suppose there could be an exception to the rule, somewhere somehow though, like if the officer had a moms demand action patch on his vest ;) But with normal circumstances, I plan to always tell them immediately.
I had the same interaction with an officer when I was pulled over for a brake light. Except I wasn't asked to get out of my car or unholster my gun. I wear jackets with chest pockets like north face so my wallet is in my chest pocket and I don't have to reach to my side.
Damn wish the cops in Ohio understood that. I had my weapon on me holstered ccw state issued card and registration of gun and still got arrested for having a firearm. After 2 court dates and the judge being visited by an NRA attorney I got my weapon back an guess who had it. Yep one of their officers.
+aaron endicott WOW! That is a ridiculous situation. I am glad you were able to retrieve your property, but that is a situation no one should have to find themselves in.
While on a fishing trip in ND a Warden stopped at the boat ramp to check licenses. I had already started casting from shore. The warden asked to see my license. I told him that it was in my tackle bag back at the boat. He said again "I need to see it" I said OK then said "I have been advised to inform you that I am a retired law enforcement officer and as such I am covered under HR 218 to be armed and I do have a pocket pistol in my right pocket and I want to say that I am no threat to you. While walking to the boat he said that he appreciated me telling him about being armed. I said I didn't want him to see the belt clip and react. After checking my license we had a good chat about pistols and retirement.
I think the major factor is that you showed respect and concern for the Officer. You understood the anxiety that Officers deal with every time they pull someone over. You were courteous.
Carl Smith I do not think I have ever been disrespectful to an Officer though- but yeah I am sure it plays a big role. Tone and body language certainly tell a lot about the individual.
My only question I would have asked is about having a gun out of the holster. If I was going to disarm I would want to leave the gun in a holster. Not expose the trigger.
+Digger DanielG Makes sense. This one had external safeties- kimber 1911- so I was not concerned about that as much as me complying and the dashcam showing me reach for a gun and the officer decide I moved too fast and I get lit up.
+DB Wesner Thank you! I appreciate that. I think too often people forget that we are all just people and sometimes we cannot play the exact role we want to.
In between two cities in PHX AZ. It is actually like a highway cruising thru the desert, nothing around really. I don't think the specific locale had too much influence because it was highway patrol, so they could go in any area of highway I assume.
Sorry about that. I try to keep a base level of volume these days so that it is relatively consistent. Sorry for the quality issues, but as I make more videos I try to improve the quality. Thanks for watching.
If you get pulled over, before the officer gets out. Get your wallet out. No reason to change how you carry anything. Just to carry a firearm. If you have to change your, "lifestyle" you need to think, and practice more.
One thing I can't stand is when the officer tells you "don't reach for your gun" yeah like I'm fucking stupid to reach for my gun. Us gun owners are federally clear to carry and conceal a firearm. We know better than to reach for our gun on a traffic stop. I had my fair share of being pulled over. I know the officer doesn't know who he's pulling over but a littler more respect from the officer would be nice. Treat us more like a law abiding citizen. By the way I live in Oklahoma.
THEAR15ONA Right I got ya. That's good tho that he didn't use a negative tone. Haha sorry didn't mean to go on a rant that's just how I feel about it. My first traffic stop when I was carrying went good but the second traffic stop not so good. I felt like I was being treated like a criminal. It's not so much what they say its how they say it with such a negative tone.
Same happened to me this past week for speeding, had my window down, being very courteous and compliant. I stated I was a CCW holder and had my firearm with me. I didn't have it on "me" as I appendix carry and take it off behind the wheel for comfort & access. I stick it between my passenger seat & the center console where its a snug fit. I presented my permit with my license and ask where it was. Without moving I described where it was (he wasn't the sharpest in visually locating it, it was pretty obvious). I was told to keep my hands on the wheel and he was going to go to the passenger side to hold it for the duration of the traffic stop. He did just that, came back, placed my gun in the passenger rear seat and gave me my ticket. It all went fine but when I got home, I checked everything to make sure it was fine and it I noticed half of my bullets looked knacked up on the edge, I carry Lehigh XP's, a solid machined copper bullet. I looked with a loupe and it looks like he scraped at them and used a leatherman on them or something, I presume to see if they were a legal projectile material. He didn't need to test all of them or any for that matter, he could have just asked. They are still perfectly functional but that was a little irritating besides donating my hard earned income already. The punchline still is, be courteous & upfront if you are carrying and you should be just fine.
mytmousemalibu That is disappointing. I would be pretty upset if someone chose to destroy my property- even if it is something I will shoot up and replace. Self defense ammo is not cheap, and neither is the ticket. Sad pandas.
THEAR15ONA I can't say I was terribly pleased when I found out. Really, he didn't need to hold my firearm for me either. I've already proven to be a legal holder when presenting my licence, not a felon. My own experience is the only one I have heard of where the officer took the gun, usually they just say, "don't touch yours and I won't touch mine". Sad pandas indeed.
definately the best way to go about it, man. i read a lot of comments on videos like this one, where other permit holders argue on whether or not they legally HAVE to do this, or HAVE to do that.... the argument typically revolving around "the police state"... i am well aware of my legal rights in my state (florida).. however, i also would prefer to just get on to where i am heading- rather than debate a cop, make the stop take any longer than it has to, and possibly end up having to pay a fucking attorney and spend time making a court appearance. if all i have to do is simply let the officer know i am carrying, and answer a few simple questions- i can then just go about doing whatever i was doing before getting pulled over. it's a no-brainer for me.
Creflo Jenkins I am all for standing up for your rights. If there is an officer who is being extremely disrespectful to me, I would probably record the encounter. But the average encounter- don't give them a reason to be crappy to you. Thanks for watching.
agreed. i have had sour encounters in the past with law enforcement. some of which i was pretty much asking for (as a teenager up to mischief) and others not.. my home city of jacksonville florida is notorious for the abuse of authority on the part of law enforcement- so i learned long ago to pick my battles... but you are correct that the average encounter, i.e. a routine traffic stop, certainly does not justify any shitty attitudes or unreasonable reactions from law enforcement
I don't like the idea of him ordering you to remove your firearm. I have mine for protection. If I don't like him having his firearm, can I ask to remove his? The whole thing seems like he just doesn't trust you. Just my thoughts.
Are we required to tell cops we're carrying in Arizona if they don't ask? I was under the impression we did not have to disclose that information unless asked but I've been wrong once before..
+StayBehindTheGun Sorry I am behind on answering comments- to the best of my knowledge you are still not required to tell them, no. I am not a lawyer- but I believe you are correct as of 2015 that you do not have to, but if they ask you, you cannot lie about it.
I've found the easiest and safest thing to do is just to get out the permit, driver's license, and registration before he/she even gets to your window, and then hand it right to them. (That's if you feel the need to disclose at all... after all, in a lot of states, there's no duty to inform law)
rviolinfiddle55 Excellent point. The only downside I see is if you are moving around in your car a lot it could make the officer think you are grabbing a gun or hiding stuff before they approach.
I do not understand why you had to exit the vehicle. I have gotten a few tickets in my time, including fix-it tickets, and I was never asked to exit my vehicle.
Strange that the cop wanted you to remove your firearm. I was a cop and I would have never wanted someone to touch their firearm. I would have kept the person in the car and told him to keep his hands on the wheel.
+alphacharlie65ms Indiana Trooper asked me to put mine on the passenger seat and then walked around my car to collect it through the open window. I thought that was one of the worst tactical decisions ever, but, that's what he wanted me to do... I always thought that if I was a cop the guys that told me they had a gun (and permit) probably wouldn't be a problem, so why even bother taking it? FWIW, same idiot cop never turned his copy of the ticket in so I had to appear in court (out of town, so it was a vacation day I had to burn) or risk getting a bench warrant issued against me when he finally decided to hand it to the judge at 4:59 on my appearance date. That really pissed me off.
Pass. Wallet stays in the console when I'm driving and firearm stays on the hip. Not required to tell in my state; and they definitely won't find out unless they ask or see my CCP license.
I think it improved your interaction the same way it makes legal level headed concealed carriers keep their cool more in a verbal dispute, because they know if things get out of hand they may end up having to use it. And actually using your firearm in a defensive lethal force situation is not what anybody wants to have to do, prepare for the worst, pray for the best.
I think You're delusional. You just got a cop that happend to be a more reasonable guy. Chances of U being that lucky next time are at most 50-50 that the cop is gona tense up hand on gun and yell at U to get out of the car, cuff U up and disarm U and then only THEN go from there.
+Brian David I would guess someone who is delusional would not know they were- so perhaps. But in the several times since this incident that I have been pulled over or been a passenger- I have always handed my ccw with ID and every single time they have asked its location and said thank you- simply leave it there and we will be good to go. I simply explain my experience and perspective. Take it as you will sir.
+THEAR15ONA Sorry for the "delusional" comment. I think that You live in Arizona has a lot to do with it. You Guys have constitutional carry and it's a all around more gun friendly area. Other places in the country not so much!
So this is a guy that is new to firearms. This is the only reason he would think enough about posting a video about it. It's not really a big deal and no reason to post a video.
ReconB4V I wouldn't say I am new to firearms, maybe to some people I am, but I have carried for 5 years. I posted this video because another youtuber shared their story of being pulled over and I found some value in it. So I made one to share my story. Nothing amazing, just information for people to take in if they wish to. Nearly 9k people have watched this, so some people must have taken something from it- and if one of them learns something that helps, then that is fantastic.
Yet, you clicked on this video and watched. According to your logic you must be some type of subject expert seeing how your channel is clearly lacking uploaded videos you personally filmed/created. Sharing a story does not translate to being an amateur. Is this video going to change someone's life? Not likely. Can people live without this video? Probably so. I have watched several of his videos in the past couple of days, and I do not know him personally but I can safely assume he's not a beginner. And if he was who gives a shit? Everyone starts from the bottom. Looks like RUclips just added another keyboard warrior to their fast growing list. SMH.
I was pulled over for running a stop sign late at night a few weeks back. It was the first time I have ever been pulled over for a moving violation and not had a ticket. It was also the first time I have ever had my concealed carry and been pulled over.
In my opinion, being a CCW holder and letting an officer know immediately tips him off to the fact that you are not a felon and have background checks done on your name on a regular basis to keep you in compliance. I believe it gives them a sense of security and reassurance that this traffic stop/interaction will most likely be a very civil and respectful one. -my 2 cents
+Andrew Harrington no it doesn't,because cops always think you are not telling the truth so till they prove your permit is valid you are a criminal to them.
Good video. It's my practice to keep registration and insurance in the driver-side visor. When I've been pulled over before I have all 3 things in hand, dome lighte on and window down before the cop even gets out. I don't offer that I'm armed, however, and I've not been asked.
+InsyberNaught I sometimes drive with the windows down and have always feared the wind ripping those important things out of the cab if it is not secured in a closing case, otherwise I would keep it on the visor as well. Thanks for watching.
I just got my first firearm and plan on going for my permit in a few months, so I've been looking at a lot of RUclips videos lately about concealed carry and open carry. There sure are a lot of idiots on RUclips who carry for no other purpose than because they can and to provoke police officers for RUclips videos. It's refreshing to hear a story of how just being cool with the officer and cooperating makes things a hell of a lot easier for everyone.
+Joey Domingue Thank you for that comment Sir. In my experiences since I began carrying there hasn't been a moment that I thought to myself- I really wish I didn't have this gun on me. If anything it would be- I really wish I wasn't at this place with these people. Just be responsible, keep a level head and be passionate about your training and you will do great!
I have got in the habit of keeping my wallet in the open like in the center console or a cup holder when I carry concealed for this very reason. If I do get pulled over I don't want to have to be reaching around my gun. Also, in most cases if pulled over I don't usually tell the officer I'm carrying. If they ask me to step out of the vehicle or specifically ask me then I say, "Just to let you know, I have a concealed weapons permit and I do have a firearm on me." It's kind of a judgement call depending on how I feel about the situation. Personally, I have yet to have an officer ever ask me to step out of the vehicle or ask me if I have drugs or firearms or anything like that. It's always just "Hey I pulled you over for ______ can I see your license and registration." Then I get a ticket and I'm on my way.
Sounds good to me. I happen to be a lefty carrier and shooter so my wallet in my case is in my right pocket cause my J frame is in my left pocket by itself in a pocket holster. I'm with you, unless i'm asked or if I truly feel it's necessary pending on the circumstances, i'm not volunteering anything. Every cop is different, and every scenario is different.
As far as you telling an officer that you're carrying, it's not up to you. You need to know the law. If your state requires you to inform an officer, you have to, no questions asked. If your state doesn't require it, then yeah, it is up to you. You should throw out half witted information about what you do when what you should do is laid out in your states laws.
If state law mandates that one has to inform upon LE contact(before they ask) then yes, common sense says you better tell them. Otherwise, this subject will always be a debate. Example: if I'm in my home state (no duty to inform law on the books) and some young 22 year old rookie punk cop all nervous right out of the academy stops me and asks the following question. "Is there anything in the vehicle I need to know about?" Guess what, the answer they are gonna get is "no sir/mam"(yes I said sir/mam,not officer.). If it comes to light that I'm armed I may just have a real angry cop but the reality is from my standpoint unless I'm asked if there are any WEAPONS or GUNS in the vehicle, I'm still not gonna tell them. Mean during the stop, One must keep calm, be polite, keep hands visible to the officer as well as avoiding any excessive movement, repeat/confirm commands of officer to insure both mine and their safety, etc. For all one is to say, cops all react differently. Some hold the view that they don't like the public to be armed and they may be very anti gun. There have been plenty of times where officers have drawn down on citizens (fingers on triggers too might I add)simply because they over reacted, some of them probably new. Many cops are trained that gun equals criminal/felon. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says, "officer safety" does NOT trump my freedom, period. Unless I'mandated under such state law, the cop can suck a cock as far as I'm concerned.
ReconB4V It is up to me since the law in my state doesn't require me to volunteer that information. I don't give out half witted information like explaining my state law because I would hate for some poor fool to mistake it as legal advice. I also wasn't giving half-witted advice to others because some other poor fool would point out how wrong it is to give out advice without knowing each state's law. What I was doing was simply sharing my own personal way of handling a particular situation in light of the laws of my state.
+SixxerGixxer Bri I cannot say this constitutes legal advice- so keep that in mind- but to the best of my knowledge AZ law does not require that you do. However- I agree with the other commentor- I choose to give them the information they deserve to know so they can best deal with the situation. Last thing I want is to not be asked- so I don't tell them- then they find out somehow and then they become alarmed by my lack of transparency and maybe get a little extra stressed and one of us gets hurt for no good reason.
the only time you should tell an officer you are armed is if the firearm will or can be visible to the officer while you are getting you ID. everyone knows the safest way to handle a firearm is to not handle it. that officer put you, him and anyone else in the area in danger. that is only a trained and unsafe way of control.
+Puter can you prove your not commit a crime. there is a reason why that say everything you say will be used against you. Learn the constitution, no where does it say you must answer a police officers questions.
+678friedbed - Bottom line, what you are posting here will CAUSE law abiding citizens to break the law and lose their CCW. You are ignorant of the Constitution, the Fifth Amendment, and the CCW laws. 1) The Fifth Amendment (something I have heard of and read and understand) - "...nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself...". The Fifth Amendment protects criminal defendants from having to testify if they may incriminate themselves through the testimony. A witness may "plead the Fifth" and not answer if the witness believes answering the question may be self-incriminatory.In the landmark Miranda v. Arizona ruling, the United States Supreme Court extended the Fifth Amendment protections to encompass any situation outside of the courtroom that involves the curtailment of personal freedom. 384 U.S. 436 (1966). Therefore, any time that law enforcement takes a suspect into custody, law enforcement must make the suspect aware of all rights. Known as Miranda rights, these rights include the right to remain silent, the right to have an attorney present during questioning, and the right to have a government-appointed attorney if the suspect cannot afford one. What makes you think any of the above applies to this telling the officer if you are armed? The right to remain silent is not all encompassing. 2) The CCW is a permit, not a right. You agree to abide by the laws in that state in regards to carrying a CCW when you apply and sign for one. IN SOME STATES IT IS A CRIME TO NOT EXPRESSLY INFORM LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN THEY APPROACH YOU, EVEN IF THEY DO NOT ASK! Do you honestly want to do away with your ignorance? Then read the below link. Everyone that has a CCW should know and understand the laws in that state and its reciprocates. concealednation.org/2015/07/do-you-have-a-duty-to-inform-when-carrying-concealed-we-look-at-all-50-states-for-the-answers/
Long story short, being polite and professional about everything takes you a long way.
+Andy Flores That is certainly part of it.
Not even a long story, be patient
Nice video. I live in Honolulu and was pulled over for talking on the phone in downtown. For brevity, the cop pulled me over and although I had a shotgun in its factory box in the back seat, that I had just purchased, he let me off with no ticket. Other than asking what type of shotgun I had, ( apparently out of curiosity), he wasn't interested in looking at it. He just said to not drive with my phone to my ear. Thats what you call Aloha !,,,
Is it against a law in Hawaii to drive and talk on the phone? Positive encounters with law enforcement are likely not a rarity, but they are rarely shared.
THEAR15ONA Yes its against the law. In reality, I have always had nothing but positive encounters with the police, what few times we cross paths, even if I do get a ticket.
Jake Weston HPD is filled with friendly officers. The only time you see them get pissy is when they're dealing with someone giving them attitude. Or if you undercover kicking someone in the head in a game room LOL
You can be leery of them. You can be wary of them. You can't be weary of them. Wait, maybe you can be, because I'm certainly sick and tired of the police state.
Biggest mistake is to tell a cop you're carrying period. Speaking from a cop. If they don't know about it, they don't need to know about it. Keep your wallet on the opposite hip that you carry your firearm, you don't want it to fall out while reaching for your ID. Set yourself up correctly according to your environment, if you know you will be driving. Expect to show your drivers license anytime you're in a vehicle which is why I keep it in my door handle, my breast pocket or in my arm rest. You did not need to step out of your vehicle to sign papers. Don't give an officer the edge to say you tried to draw your gun on him, you never know if the cop is crooked and trying to set you up. Concealed means you hide it and don't say anything about it (or else why call it concealed). The ONLY time you should let them know is if they ask you to step outside of your vehicle.
Do as you will, but I completely disagree. I would rather take my chances of running into that crooked cop who believes he is going to somehow profit off me in an illegal manor, or go out of his way and put his job and livelihood on the line in order to try and "frame" me for something than to cause a moment of stress or possible panic if the officer notices my undeclared weapon. All of that is really a waste of time for me to even consider since in my state the police will know that you are a permit holder if you are pulled over in a vehicle registered to you.
@@puterami123 Yes, as a matter of fact in California, you have to disclose even if you are not carrying for some reason and or the passenger.
Wait a damn minute here. You mean to tell me that you cooperated, treated the officer with respect and he didn't shoot you ? Huh...
Wingfan13 It is true! haha.
Here's where you screwed up. First, you never pull over immediately. Officers enjoy at least a ten mile chase in hot pursuit. Speeds of over 100 mph on city streets gets their adrenaline flowing. The next thing you should have done was to assert your rights. Police officers love to engage verbally with street lawyers. Third you shouldn't have cooperated with that officer in any way. Resisting arrests allows them to use their batons and/or taser and allows you the opportunity to claim police brutality. You must be very new to concealed carry and/or you tube. :)
Feedback noted and lessons learned! :)
samiam1150 As a shit house lawyer I think it would behoove you to follow samiam1150's advice.
don't forget to ask "am I being detained?" the whole time
+samiam1150 Be belligerent the entire time too, oh also if you have a gun, go ahead, reach for it. LOL
"A little younger than now" dude you look 12..sorry
Thank you for obeying the law and following protocol. It's nice to hear these positive experiences. Good job man! 😎👍
When I lived in Dallas I had a CHL permit for years and carried either a Glock 26 9mm or a Seecamp 32 or both. Once I was pulled over for speeding in the city. I followed the same over all procedure as THEAR15ONA except I didnt roll down my windows because it was cold outside. The cop walked up and told me I was going 10mph over the limit and asked why. I told him the truth, that I was going home to pick up my dad to catch a movie and was running late. Naturally he asked for my license and insurance and I as I handed him the said documents, I also handed my CHL card and informed him that I was packing. He asked for the location of the firearm but wasn't interested in looking at it. He then did his regular police check of my IDs and let me on my way with no speeding ticket.
thats smart to hand your CHL and license together
+DJ Ford Its what you are supposed to do, at least in TX.
+Jake Weston Only thing I have to say about that is that cops don't like to see people fishing around for documents before they get up to the car. So if your license and permit are clipped to a sun visor then this is all fine, if you have them in a billfold I wouldn't suggest this approach (2x if you have to take your seat belt off to get to it. I had a friend that got a seat belt ticket that way).
+Maxwelhse With all due respect, Im sure no one actually takes the time to clip there ID's to a sun visor just in case they get pulled over. The concern of getting a ticket for no seat belt because it is unbuckled in order to fetch documents while being pulled over, is preposterous.
Jake Weston
I've known more than one person that just kept their license stuck to the visor at all times right with their insurance paperwork. They never removed it from the car since that's the only place they needed it. They carried a state or military ID in their wallets. In my state our CCWs are literally just sheets of paper (that you have to cut out and laminate yourself) so it's not uncommon for someone to make a few copies of it and one could be left there too.
Also, like I said, I've had a friend that swears up and down he got a seatbelt ticket, on top of the ticket for rolling the sign, for doing exactly what I described. Call him a liar if you want, but he always wore it whenever I saw him in a car for years before and after.
All of that said, the moral of my point was not to go digging around in your car until the cop tells you to which is sort of outside the issues you're having with what I said. Now that I re-read your comment I'm not even sure I replied to the right guy because it doesn't seem like you were doing that.
I though arizona did not require a licence to concealed carry, or perhaps this incedent took place before that change.
Its true many cops are good guys, but they are very dangerious for the simple reason that there is an absurd double standard applied to them legally. They are far more likely to be given a pass in the courts than an average person so they have less disencentive to do harm. Also many are there to be a bully with a badge, and you cannot tell before hand which are which.
Kind of long and drawn out story but I don't think the fact that you had a firearm when you were pulled over had any bearing on the situation. I've been pulled over because my daylight driving lights were on at dusk and there are no tail lights burning with daylight driving lights. I got a verbal warning and I was on my way. Cop never even asked for my license. It all depends on the cops attitude. Your gun had nothing to do with it.
+Walter Strong And a decent attitude by the person being pulled over goes a long way, too. I carry a subcompact 9mm and I've never had a problem with the police. The life member NRA decal on my rear windshield lets them know that I'm one of the good guys who support my local police.
Even if they aren't sure of your intentions, a ccw means no felonies. So I'd bet that helps haha.
As an Arizona LEO I can tell u that u did everything 100% correct. Even when u had a bit of doubt when the Ofcr told u do grab your gun and place it on the seat u confirmed w/ him be restating his instructions to u. Well done my friend.
Agreed.
My encounter was very similar. If there a gun guy/gal. And your honest and upfront there usually cool.
Very well thought out videos and have a great attitude about you. Exactly what the gun community needs to keep maturity and positive growth for the future. Very nice job and keep up the good work.
Andrew Ammon Thank you for the kind words.
See this is how a concealed carry stop should go..Letting the cop know your carrying..making sure that everything is clear and understood before actions are made...and being respectful to the cop...the reason stops go bad are mostly people yelling out all sorts of no I dont wish to comply I dont wish to take off my firearm and all sorts of stuff...you can say all that but its just going to make the cop want to keep you there longer and basically ruin your day...great job man well down :)
Yep. People don't realize police can take your firearm from you if they have a legal reason to detain you. Failure to comply can place you under arrest. Police can also have you step out of the car for no reason at all, again, as long as they have a legal reason to detain you; the supreme court has already ruled on it. People make it difficult on themselves, not the police.
+Extra Rounds It's how ALL STOPS should go.
Here’s something I learned from a cop who followed me into my apartment building’s driveway and lit me up. I, too, had an inoperative headlight. He said, “come out-I want to show you something.” Sure enough, the headlight was out. “Watch this,” he said as he took a swing at the headlight with his open palm. The light worked, “That works about half the time. It won’t last, so you’d better fix it as soon as you can.” I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. I will miss the friendly officers in my little town.
Depending on your state laws, I wouldn't offer any information that wasn't needed.
Exactly. Why doesn't anyone get that? He lucked out but if I were ever pulled over while carrying, I'll err on the side of caution and shut up.
Yup, depends on what state really. Some require you to offer the information you're conceal carrying, weapon in vehicle or you can be arrested for not mentioning it first off.
I totally agree with you! CCW holders who communicate it well with an officer makes the situation comfortable for the officer. Just follow the law!!!!
Thank you. Yeah it is not that hard to be respectful, and as long as that is reciprocated it is even easier.
Radolph Matthews Unless the law says you have to notify them, not saying anything isn't breaking the law. I don't have to tell them in Florida.
You forgot to turn on your interior lights. ALWAYS turn on your overhead interior lights, it gives the cop a better view of what is going on inside your car. Give the all the situational assay possible to discern what they need to know, they will appreciate it. Also, roll only your drivers window down halfway, only half way. It allows clear communication and you ability to hand over necessary documents but still gives a slight physical barrier that prevents you lunging out your driver side window for the cop of his/her weapon.
Someone else recommended the light as well. Solid idea. I guess rolling all windows down could make it seem like I plan to ditch something out of a window as well? Good points.
Lights is good but not rolling down your windows tells most cops you want to hide something or prevent them from reaching in if they have to. Every cop is trained how to remove a non compliant person from a vehicle and it always involves a completely rolled down window. Half rolled down is not illegal but also not helpful if compliance is the goal.
As of 2010 in AZ, its not required to have a permit of any sort, but you do need to inform the officer, if stopped, that you are armed so...
+justin oliver From everything that I was still able to find online- you do not have a legal obligation to tell them. However- if they ask you are required to tell them the truth. Not legal advice though. If I am incorrect on that( it obviously won't change the content of this video since it is old) please share a link of some sort. Thank you for the comment, regardless of which one of us is wrong.
Why would you ever tell them?
You just add tension to what would otherwise be a quick traffic stop, they aren't god neither is the law you don't owe them a fucking thing.
+ZIGMAN775 I tell them because if it goes down the path of them asking me to get out of the car, or do you have any weapons on you- I do not want to seem as if I was hiding it. If I were a cop I would want good citizens to hand me their ccw and tell me that they are currently armed so that it didn't come as a surprise later. To each their own.
THEAR15ONA
Are you often pulled over and out of the car?
+ZIGMAN775 Nope. But in the less than 1% of time that each of these things happens they have a decent chance of being pretty dang important.
Why would you even tell them? 1# Its the law in some states. 2# You dont want the officer searching you, Then finding a gun
The Koala GaM3R
#1 Only sheep follow all the laws when they are unjust
#2 if you are stupid enough to be obviously doing something to get searched you deserve negativity.
People like you guy's rant and preach about freedom and then do nothing to fight for it or do any action that is actually free.
Thank you. Last thing I wanted to do was break a law by touching it in an officers presence without permission....And then get shot because of it.
Great story. Thank you for sharing it. The police officer that lead our Concealed Carry class said that many officers do value firearms carriers because they have had a background check and it kind of shows you are on the same side...
AZ is Constitutional carry. So no permit needed. But having a permit has its benefits, so I will keep re-uping mine. I completely understand where you are coming from with the police aspect. Check out Nolatac's channel. He has a really good way to put this problem into words in his WWYD series introduction video. I tend to agree with the statements he makes haha.
As a cop, not in the US though, I've gotta say dealing with civvies who appear to be trying to help these little processes along that we have to do is always heartening. We don't really have guns in australia at all unless you are a farmer or a cop, so I can only imagine how much more officers in the states would have to consider their actions and op safety at every dealing all the time. It sounds like you did good though.
1) Absolutely no reason to tell officer you are carrying unless asked. He knew you had a carry permit when he pulled you over.
2) Reason you were asked to remove your concealed gun? See number 1 above. You made the encounter more tense by talking about your gun. It was safer for everyone right where it was in your holster.
It's not standard procedure for an officer to have you lay your weapon on your seat AT ALL!
Oh yea, it improved the whole scenario. Freaking joker let you put your hand on your firearm, that's respect. Fix it tickets, pain in the butt, still it got fixed! Your attitude tells the officer a lot about you.
in my humble opinion, i’d rather have my license and CCW permit in hand and tell the officer i am a CCW carrier, here’s my license an permit.....how do you wish to proceed. i’m not entirely comfortable with telling him first and have to reach in my pocket to retrieve my wallet
Had a similar experience in Nashville, luckily Tennessee is a constitutional carry state. As long as you’re respectful and non-shady they’re usual cool about it
common sense indicates you handled yourself very well! and i think the clear notification to the officer that you had a gun did put the officer at ease! and made the total interaction go more smooth!
rather than the guy that tells the officer he has a gun THEN reaches for that gun and ends up getting shot--
officers are human and they react to danger much the same way an average citizen does!
everyone should roll down window- keep hands in sight- and speak with respect to every officer-
Good story bro. Can I please have 5 min of my life back. So you got pulled over and had a nice experience with the cop. Yay how interesting.
If people would only understand that if they follow an officer’s instructions everything will go okay.
in illinois only if they ask... if you have a gun u tell them also when they pull u over and run your plates they no u have a CCL...comes up on there screen....
What genre of civilization was your encounter in? (country/city/college town/etc.) How relevant do you find that factor?
Good stuff, man. It's good to know that there are good cops out there that citizens can have positive interactions with.
Live in South Carolina law requires you to tell them showed my CCW with drivers lic he asked were it is told him his response leave it there and no problems he returned to my truck and said thank you for telling me and just gave me verbal warning
You are lucky. Most cops want to show their superiority, and give you their version of at least a safety training . I think they want to test your skill level carrying and check out your piece.
I’m sorry bud but you should never touch your firearm with an Officer if he wants you unarmed he should take it you may not be so lucky next time
Bud we don't need permits 🙈. In AZ. But it is nice to bypass at Cabela's
The only thing I would have done different is turn on your interior lights trust me cops like that
Just do it by the numbers. These days the police need to know that you are not a threat.
People should consider themselves a stand up citizen if they act like this guy
1) Learn how to tell a story.
2) Have an actual story. That was a non story.
Why ask you to get out of the car? That would make me suspicious.
If your carrying easier to keep your info within easy reach
I live in citrus county fl. I got pull over for speeding I handed the officer my driver lic. & c.w.p. he thank me for showing the c.w,p, and asked if I;m carring, I told him I was , on my hip and i ask him how he would like to proced. he told me it find and walk to his car a few moments later gave me a warning for speeding. I do beleave this got me out of a ticket, because only up standing people have c.w.p. and he new I was no trouble.
+Roy Loeffler I agree- it probably helped your case. But every individual acts differently so you cannot be sure I suppose.
You have to disclose that you are carrying?
I think I would have said my CCW or Holster is on my hip, not Firearm or gun.
Elliot Check Words are important. But I am not sure I understand the correlation you are making honestly. If he takes that as a threat, he misread my meaning. If you say holster, that could be interpreted as an empty holster. Iffy either way I guess.
I have a solution don't pull people over
You're also in the most gun friendly state in the Union.. I'm sure that was a factor. Same exact scenario in California or New York, and I'm sure the experience would have been much less positive.
Valid point- but if I was carrying in either of those states I probably would have been droned or something.
Off topic but you have beautiful teeth! haha just an old lady making an observation. Keep smiling and brighten someone's day!
Lol, that is a first for that comment. So thank you for those kind words.
I have read some of the comments on this video and I can't understand why some people try and make it hard for a routine traffic stop. The officer is just doing what he paid by us to do, personally, if I have a light bulb burned out on my vehicle and not aware of it (it happens) I'm glad that the officer let me know about it. Just a little cooperation on my part goes a long way. Job well done thear15ona.
+jay dee To each their own I guess- I figure my best chances of getting to go home with no extra bills is to make it pleasant, as much as possible at least. Thanks for the comment.
In Texas you are required to tell the officer if you are carrying. I have been pulled over several times once with my family in the car, and have never had a problem with any officer and carrying a concealed weapon. I just give them both my license and tell them I'm carrying they ask where at some have even asked what kind of gun it is. Most of the time I'm pulled over is at night and they are usually looking for DUI or DWI. Once was for a head light too.
Bulldog9mm5.56 It is an uneasy situation for all parties, I hope they don't want to take advantage of the law and make my day suck and they hope the citizen doesn't want to do them harm. Even without the law, I still offer the information out of respect. Thanks for watching.
No they earn the disrespect
purely out of curiosity... since its not required to offer the information to an officer that you're carrying a concealed firearm unless otherwise asked (arizona law) ... do you always plan on telling officers that you're armed? like you mentioned, i was always under the impression that reacting in the manner you did would help my situation rather than make it worse. kinda interesting to see that your feeling is the same as mine
***** I would say I plan to inform them straight away basically every time yes. I suppose there could be an exception to the rule, somewhere somehow though, like if the officer had a moms demand action patch on his vest ;) But with normal circumstances, I plan to always tell them immediately.
I had the same interaction with an officer when I was pulled over for a brake light. Except I wasn't asked to get out of my car or unholster my gun. I wear jackets with chest pockets like north face so my wallet is in my chest pocket and I don't have to reach to my side.
Garrett Bankston Jackets? It is 110 in PHX right now, I can't remember what a jacket even feels like haha.
Damn wish the cops in Ohio understood that. I had my weapon on me holstered ccw state issued card and registration of gun and still got arrested for having a firearm. After 2 court dates and the judge being visited by an NRA attorney I got my weapon back an guess who had it. Yep one of their officers.
+aaron endicott WOW! That is a ridiculous situation. I am glad you were able to retrieve your property, but that is a situation no one should have to find themselves in.
While on a fishing trip in ND a Warden stopped at the boat ramp to check licenses. I had already started casting from shore. The warden asked to see my license. I told him that it was in my tackle bag back at the boat. He said again "I need to see it" I said OK then said "I have been advised to inform you that I am a retired law enforcement officer and as such I am covered under HR 218 to be armed and I do have a pocket pistol in my right pocket and I want to say that I am no threat to you. While walking to the boat he said that he appreciated me telling him about being armed. I said I didn't want him to see the belt clip and react. After checking my license we had a good chat about pistols and retirement.
+Tom n I would say that went about as well as it could then!
I think the major factor is that you showed respect and concern for the Officer. You understood the anxiety that Officers deal with every time they pull someone over. You were courteous.
Carl Smith I do not think I have ever been disrespectful to an Officer though- but yeah I am sure it plays a big role. Tone and body language certainly tell a lot about the individual.
My only question I would have asked is about having a gun out of the holster. If I was going to disarm I would want to leave the gun in a holster. Not expose the trigger.
+Digger DanielG Makes sense. This one had external safeties- kimber 1911- so I was not concerned about that as much as me complying and the dashcam showing me reach for a gun and the officer decide I moved too fast and I get lit up.
As an previous LEO you did great. It's a hard job and they just want to go home at night.
+DB Wesner Thank you! I appreciate that. I think too often people forget that we are all just people and sometimes we cannot play the exact role we want to.
In between two cities in PHX AZ. It is actually like a highway cruising thru the desert, nothing around really. I don't think the specific locale had too much influence because it was highway patrol, so they could go in any area of highway I assume.
ive got my volume up but cant understand your words well
Sorry about that. I try to keep a base level of volume these days so that it is relatively consistent. Sorry for the quality issues, but as I make more videos I try to improve the quality. Thanks for watching.
What caliber do you carry?
9mm. I just put out a new EDC video this week if you are interested in more info. Previously carried a 45 as well, personal preferrence though.
yea, you should not wear your wallet on the same side as your gun
That is actually pretty good feedback.
If you get pulled over, before the officer gets out. Get your wallet out. No reason to change how you carry anything. Just to carry a firearm. If you have to change your, "lifestyle" you need to think, and practice more.
One thing I can't stand is when the officer tells you "don't reach for your gun" yeah like I'm fucking stupid to reach for my gun. Us gun owners are federally clear to carry and conceal a firearm. We know better than to reach for our gun on a traffic stop. I had my fair share of being pulled over. I know the officer doesn't know who he's pulling over but a littler more respect from the officer would be nice. Treat us more like a law abiding citizen. By the way I live in Oklahoma.
I hear you. I understand their concern and he didn't use a negative tone with me, so I wasn't angry about it haha.
THEAR15ONA Right I got ya. That's good tho that he didn't use a negative tone. Haha sorry didn't mean to go on a rant that's just how I feel about it. My first traffic stop when I was carrying went good but the second traffic stop not so good. I felt like I was being treated like a criminal. It's not so much what they say its how they say it with such a negative tone.
Same happened to me this past week for speeding, had my window down, being very courteous and compliant. I stated I was a CCW holder and had my firearm with me. I didn't have it on "me" as I appendix carry and take it off behind the wheel for comfort & access. I stick it between my passenger seat & the center console where its a snug fit. I presented my permit with my license and ask where it was. Without moving I described where it was (he wasn't the sharpest in visually locating it, it was pretty obvious). I was told to keep my hands on the wheel and he was going to go to the passenger side to hold it for the duration of the traffic stop. He did just that, came back, placed my gun in the passenger rear seat and gave me my ticket. It all went fine but when I got home, I checked everything to make sure it was fine and it I noticed half of my bullets looked knacked up on the edge, I carry Lehigh XP's, a solid machined copper bullet. I looked with a loupe and it looks like he scraped at them and used a leatherman on them or something, I presume to see if they were a legal projectile material. He didn't need to test all of them or any for that matter, he could have just asked. They are still perfectly functional but that was a little irritating besides donating my hard earned income already. The punchline still is, be courteous & upfront if you are carrying and you should be just fine.
mytmousemalibu That is disappointing. I would be pretty upset if someone chose to destroy my property- even if it is something I will shoot up and replace. Self defense ammo is not cheap, and neither is the ticket. Sad pandas.
THEAR15ONA I can't say I was terribly pleased when I found out. Really, he didn't need to hold my firearm for me either. I've already proven to be a legal holder when presenting my licence, not a felon. My own experience is the only one I have heard of where the officer took the gun, usually they just say, "don't touch yours and I won't touch mine". Sad pandas indeed.
definately the best way to go about it, man. i read a lot of comments on videos like this one, where other permit holders argue on whether or not they legally HAVE to do this, or HAVE to do that.... the argument typically revolving around "the police state"... i am well aware of my legal rights in my state (florida).. however, i also would prefer to just get on to where i am heading- rather than debate a cop, make the stop take any longer than it has to, and possibly end up having to pay a fucking attorney and spend time making a court appearance. if all i have to do is simply let the officer know i am carrying, and answer a few simple questions- i can then just go about doing whatever i was doing before getting pulled over. it's a no-brainer for me.
Creflo Jenkins I am all for standing up for your rights. If there is an officer who is being extremely disrespectful to me, I would probably record the encounter. But the average encounter- don't give them a reason to be crappy to you. Thanks for watching.
agreed. i have had sour encounters in the past with law enforcement. some of which i was pretty much asking for (as a teenager up to mischief) and others not.. my home city of jacksonville florida is notorious for the abuse of authority on the part of law enforcement- so i learned long ago to pick my battles... but you are correct that the average encounter, i.e. a routine traffic stop, certainly does not justify any shitty attitudes or unreasonable reactions from law enforcement
I don't like the idea of him ordering you to remove your firearm. I have mine for protection. If I don't like him having his firearm, can I ask to remove his? The whole thing seems like he just doesn't trust you. Just my thoughts.
SgtEaglefort Valid point. I would prefer if we both just remained armed. But things weren't exactly turning south so, eh.
SgtEaglefort THEAR15ONA I think that the gun would have just been safer if it wasn't manipulated and placed on the seat.
So you told a cop you had a concealed gun, big deal?
Ompmovies I mean, if that is all you pulled from this story then okay....
+THEAR15ONA Sorry but there wasn't really much to the story lol
Are we required to tell cops we're carrying in Arizona if they don't ask? I was under the impression we did not have to disclose that information unless asked but I've been wrong once before..
+StayBehindTheGun Sorry I am behind on answering comments- to the best of my knowledge you are still not required to tell them, no. I am not a lawyer- but I believe you are correct as of 2015 that you do not have to, but if they ask you, you cannot lie about it.
Im not from Arizona but you as a concealed carrier its your responsibility to know the law in the state you are in or travelling to
I've found the easiest and safest thing to do is just to get out the permit, driver's license, and registration before he/she even gets to your window, and then hand it right to them. (That's if you feel the need to disclose at all... after all, in a lot of states, there's no duty to inform law)
rviolinfiddle55 Excellent point. The only downside I see is if you are moving around in your car a lot it could make the officer think you are grabbing a gun or hiding stuff before they approach.
That's true, gonna depend on where you have each item of course.
I do not understand why you had to exit the vehicle. I have gotten a few tickets in my time, including fix-it tickets, and I was never asked to exit my vehicle.
+mlopez22284 Not sure, it must have been what he wanted for his dash cam purposes?
+THEAR15ONA Also gives him an opportunity to look deeper into your car and look for bulges in your pocket like a bag of drugs.
Just wondering May be a dumb question to many but idk. CCW holders guns are allowed to be loaded right?
Yeah i keep one in the pipe rough in Cleveland ohio
Yeah i keep one in the pipe rough in Cleveland ohio
Strange that the cop wanted you to remove your firearm. I was a cop and I would have never wanted someone to touch their firearm. I would have kept the person in the car and told him to keep his hands on the wheel.
+alphacharlie65ms I agree, but to each their own I suppose.
+alphacharlie65ms Indiana Trooper asked me to put mine on the passenger seat and then walked around my car to collect it through the open window. I thought that was one of the worst tactical decisions ever, but, that's what he wanted me to do...
I always thought that if I was a cop the guys that told me they had a gun (and permit) probably wouldn't be a problem, so why even bother taking it?
FWIW, same idiot cop never turned his copy of the ticket in so I had to appear in court (out of town, so it was a vacation day I had to burn) or risk getting a bench warrant issued against me when he finally decided to hand it to the judge at 4:59 on my appearance date. That really pissed me off.
Pass. Wallet stays in the console when I'm driving and firearm stays on the hip. Not required to tell in my state; and they definitely won't find out unless they ask or see my CCP license.
I have been pulled over a few times while carrying all stops were very positive. Was thanked as well. This was texas an Oklahoma stops.
I think it improved your interaction the same way it makes legal level headed concealed carriers keep their cool more in a verbal dispute, because they know if things get out of hand they may end up having to use it. And actually using your firearm in a defensive lethal force situation is not what anybody wants to have to do, prepare for the worst, pray for the best.
I believe you don't HAVE to tell a cop you're carrying in AZ or do you?
Bart Van Riel I would say do not take this as strict legal advice because things change, but no you do not HAVE to tell them, I just choose to.
THEAR15ONA great, I'd do that to
I live in Alabama and I'm so greatfull our cops are for the most part cool as long as you are. They just want to go home when they get off to.
Nice work! Treat them with respect and concern for their safety and they will do the same for you. Good story. Nicely handled.
I think You're delusional. You just got a cop that happend to be a more reasonable guy. Chances of U being that lucky next time are at most 50-50 that the cop is gona tense up hand on gun and yell at U to get out of the car, cuff U up and disarm U and then only THEN go from there.
If He doesn't shoot You for moving wrong in the process.
+Brian David I would guess someone who is delusional would not know they were- so perhaps. But in the several times since this incident that I have been pulled over or been a passenger- I have always handed my ccw with ID and every single time they have asked its location and said thank you- simply leave it there and we will be good to go. I simply explain my experience and perspective. Take it as you will sir.
+THEAR15ONA Sorry for the "delusional" comment. I think that You live in Arizona has a lot to do with it. You Guys have constitutional carry and it's a all around more gun friendly area. Other places in the country not so much!
So this is a guy that is new to firearms. This is the only reason he would think enough about posting a video about it. It's not really a big deal and no reason to post a video.
ReconB4V I wouldn't say I am new to firearms, maybe to some people I am, but I have carried for 5 years. I posted this video because another youtuber shared their story of being pulled over and I found some value in it. So I made one to share my story. Nothing amazing, just information for people to take in if they wish to. Nearly 9k people have watched this, so some people must have taken something from it- and if one of them learns something that helps, then that is fantastic.
ReconB4V you're an idiot dude
Yet, you clicked on this video and watched. According to your logic you must be some type of subject expert seeing how your channel is clearly lacking uploaded videos you personally filmed/created. Sharing a story does not translate to being an amateur. Is this video going to change someone's life? Not likely. Can people live without this video? Probably so. I have watched several of his videos in the past couple of days, and I do not know him personally but I can safely assume he's not a beginner. And if he was who gives a shit? Everyone starts from the bottom. Looks like RUclips just added another keyboard warrior to their fast growing list. SMH.
That is a really good idea. I will definitely do that.
7 minutes of sheep bahhing.
I was pulled over for running a stop sign late at night a few weeks back. It was the first time I have ever been pulled over for a moving violation and not had a ticket. It was also the first time I have ever had my concealed carry and been pulled over.
That is awesome! It has the potential to make a positive impression at least.
In my opinion, being a CCW holder and letting an officer know immediately tips him off to the fact that you are not a felon and have background checks done on your name on a regular basis to keep you in compliance. I believe it gives them a sense of security and reassurance that this traffic stop/interaction will most likely be a very civil and respectful one. -my 2 cents
+Andrew
Harrington
+Andrew Harrington no it doesn't,because cops always think you are not telling the truth so till they prove your permit is valid you are a criminal to them.
Want that shirt.
+Gregory Rose III I don't know where it came from- it was a gift. Maybe check amazon?
Good video. It's my practice to keep registration and insurance in the driver-side visor. When I've been pulled over before I have all 3 things in hand, dome lighte on and window down before the cop even gets out. I don't offer that I'm armed, however, and I've not been asked.
+InsyberNaught I sometimes drive with the windows down and have always feared the wind ripping those important things out of the cab if it is not secured in a closing case, otherwise I would keep it on the visor as well. Thanks for watching.
I just got my first firearm and plan on going for my permit in a few months, so I've been looking at a lot of RUclips videos lately about concealed carry and open carry. There sure are a lot of idiots on RUclips who carry for no other purpose than because they can and to provoke police officers for RUclips videos. It's refreshing to hear a story of how just being cool with the officer and cooperating makes things a hell of a lot easier for everyone.
+Joey Domingue Thank you for that comment Sir. In my experiences since I began carrying there hasn't been a moment that I thought to myself- I really wish I didn't have this gun on me. If anything it would be- I really wish I wasn't at this place with these people. Just be responsible, keep a level head and be passionate about your training and you will do great!
I have got in the habit of keeping my wallet in the open like in the center console or a cup holder when I carry concealed for this very reason. If I do get pulled over I don't want to have to be reaching around my gun. Also, in most cases if pulled over I don't usually tell the officer I'm carrying. If they ask me to step out of the vehicle or specifically ask me then I say, "Just to let you know, I have a concealed weapons permit and I do have a firearm on me." It's kind of a judgement call depending on how I feel about the situation. Personally, I have yet to have an officer ever ask me to step out of the vehicle or ask me if I have drugs or firearms or anything like that. It's always just "Hey I pulled you over for ______ can I see your license and registration." Then I get a ticket and I'm on my way.
Sounds good to me. I happen to be a lefty carrier and shooter so my wallet in my case is in my right pocket cause my J frame is in my left pocket by itself in a pocket holster. I'm with you, unless i'm asked or if I truly feel it's necessary pending on the circumstances, i'm not volunteering anything. Every cop is different, and every scenario is different.
As far as you telling an officer that you're carrying, it's not up to you. You need to know the law. If your state requires you to inform an officer, you have to, no questions asked. If your state doesn't require it, then yeah, it is up to you. You should throw out half witted information about what you do when what you should do is laid out in your states laws.
If state law mandates that one has to inform upon LE contact(before they ask) then yes, common sense says you better tell them. Otherwise, this subject will always be a debate. Example: if I'm in my home state (no duty to inform law on the books) and some young 22 year old rookie punk cop all nervous right out of the academy stops me and asks the following question.
"Is there anything in the vehicle I need to know about?"
Guess what, the answer they are gonna get is "no sir/mam"(yes I said sir/mam,not officer.). If it comes to light that I'm armed I may just have a real angry cop but the reality is from my standpoint unless I'm asked if there are any WEAPONS or GUNS in the vehicle, I'm still not gonna tell them. Mean during the stop, One must keep calm, be polite, keep hands visible to the officer as well as avoiding any excessive movement, repeat/confirm commands of officer to insure both mine and their safety, etc. For all one is to say, cops all react differently. Some hold the view that they don't like the public to be armed and they may be very anti gun. There have been plenty of times where officers have drawn down on citizens (fingers on triggers too might I add)simply because they over reacted, some of them probably new. Many cops are trained that gun equals criminal/felon. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says, "officer safety" does NOT trump my freedom, period. Unless I'mandated under such state law, the cop can suck a cock as far as I'm concerned.
ReconB4V It is up to me since the law in my state doesn't require me to volunteer that information. I don't give out half witted information like explaining my state law because I would hate for some poor fool to mistake it as legal advice. I also wasn't giving half-witted advice to others because some other poor fool would point out how wrong it is to give out advice without knowing each state's law. What I was doing was simply sharing my own personal way of handling a particular situation in light of the laws of my state.
It's also up to ME as well cause I don't live in a duty to inform state either. Frankly, the way I see if. It's none of their business.
what state do you live in?
+SixxerGixxer Bri Arizona
THEAR15ONA do u have to let tha cops know u r carrying even if they dont ask?
+SixxerGixxer Bri as a courtesy, you should let them know. You have nothing to hide.
+SixxerGixxer Bri I cannot say this constitutes legal advice- so keep that in mind- but to the best of my knowledge AZ law does not require that you do. However- I agree with the other commentor- I choose to give them the information they deserve to know so they can best deal with the situation. Last thing I want is to not be asked- so I don't tell them- then they find out somehow and then they become alarmed by my lack of transparency and maybe get a little extra stressed and one of us gets hurt for no good reason.
the only time you should tell an officer you are armed is if the firearm will or can be visible to the officer while you are getting you ID. everyone knows the safest way to handle a firearm is to not handle it. that officer put you, him and anyone else in the area in danger. that is only a trained and unsafe way of control.
+678friedbed - Depends upon the state laws.
+Puter have you herd of the 5th amendment
+678friedbed - Yes, I have even "heard" of it. The fifth amendment does not apply here.
+Puter can you prove your not commit a crime. there is a reason why that say everything you say will be used against you. Learn the constitution, no where does it say you must answer a police officers questions.
+678friedbed - Bottom line, what you are posting here will CAUSE law abiding citizens to break the law and lose their CCW. You are ignorant of the Constitution, the Fifth Amendment, and the CCW laws.
1) The Fifth Amendment (something I have heard of and read and understand) - "...nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself...". The Fifth Amendment protects criminal defendants from having to
testify if they may incriminate themselves through the testimony. A
witness may "plead the Fifth" and not answer if the witness believes
answering the question may be self-incriminatory.In the landmark Miranda v. Arizona
ruling, the United States Supreme Court extended the Fifth Amendment
protections to encompass any situation outside of the courtroom that
involves the curtailment of personal freedom. 384 U.S. 436 (1966).
Therefore, any time that law enforcement takes a suspect into custody,
law enforcement must make the suspect aware of all rights. Known as Miranda
rights, these rights include the right to remain silent, the right to
have an attorney present during questioning, and the right to have a
government-appointed attorney if the suspect cannot afford one.
What makes you think any of the above applies to this telling the officer if you are armed? The right to remain silent is not all encompassing.
2) The CCW is a permit, not a right. You agree to abide by the laws in that state in regards to carrying a CCW when you apply and sign for one.
IN SOME STATES IT IS A CRIME TO NOT EXPRESSLY INFORM LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN THEY APPROACH YOU, EVEN IF THEY DO NOT ASK!
Do you honestly want to do away with your ignorance? Then read the below link. Everyone that has a CCW should know and understand the laws in that state and its reciprocates.
concealednation.org/2015/07/do-you-have-a-duty-to-inform-when-carrying-concealed-we-look-at-all-50-states-for-the-answers/
You're a fantastic story teller, and I think you handled the situation perfectly.