Yes, the shortest cable length (15cm) would be best for winging, but I use my foil drive system for surfing and downwinding as well so I prefer 20cm as it gives me the most flexibility
Ho Dominic, nice vid 🤩! Now I'm in. The 1st gen was not my thing but the nice integrated battery in the 2nd is a really big step forward. The combination of foil drive with the wing opens so many new possibilities and increases the number of days on water significantly. I love the idea. How big is your board in this video? Cheers!
Sorry for the late reply. The board in this video was the apple slice v2. 83ltrs. I can’t remember the exact length but I think it was just over 5 ft, maybe a little bit longer
Trying to decide max vs slim pro for winging on a lake. I’d like to also go to San Francisco to wing also. I am a new winger but old fouler. Struggling some at the moment in the sport. Which combo do you recommend?
Really sorry about the late reply. I guess you’ve figured out what’s best for you by now but if it helps - for winging I prefer the slim because it’s super light and I only need power to help get me up on foil occasionally, however I an perfectly happy to use the Max (preferably with the sport battery as it’s lighter than the power battery but again I’m happy to use the power battery if that’s all that is available) Unless you’re a very proficient skill level I always recommend to get the max due to the extra battery run time. If you’re going to be using the motor a lot you have to get the max. It sucks to run out of battery
Dominic, I've had an idea that you might find interesting, as I know from some of your previous videos that you're into physics and hydrodynamic efficiency. Since the Gen 2 Foil Drive has come out, I keep thinking about how cool it would be to get a custom board made that would present the most hydrodynamic surface possible to the water. I watched the Tech Talk you did about the Gen 2 Foil Drive with Jamie, Dave, Trav and Paul, and there's a moment when Jamie says that when riding big waves, because you're going super fast, if you happen to touch down you are likely to "go over the handlebars" due to the instant drag of the battery pod hitting the water. This got me thinking, what if you designed a custom board with a tuttle mount for the mast, and a recessed box for the Foil Drive max power battery? With the new waterproof batteries, you wouldn't even need the whole aluminium pod at all, which would save weight. What do you think?
@@guywhitworth5764 interesting idea. We’ve had a board made with a recess in the hull to fit the exact shape of the box. Surprisingly, everyone who tried it agreed that it didn’t make a noticeable difference to drag. Unfortunately the recess in the hull added weight to the board as it had to be reinforced. Other points to note: You can’t attach a turtle mast to the gen 2 box. You can’t use the system without a nose cone because the battery would move around within the box and would damage in time. Sorry to disappoint you on this but please don’t stop thinking outside the box😉
@@dominichoskyns9091thank you for your reply, and for the encouragement to keep thinking "outside the box"! I love how perfectly appropriate that is, haha! It's interesting that no one who rode the board with the recess in the hull noticed a difference in drag. I realise there's no way to incorporate a tuttle box mount with the existing system, as it mounts between the mast baseplate and the board, which obviously requires a mast with a baseplate. This is why I was thinking you could kill two birds with one stone by creating a recessed box in the hull of the board that has the exact internal dimensions as the CNC routed aluminium battery pod. That way you wouldn't have any issues with the battery rattling around, and you would also save weight by eliminating the aluminium battery box. I'd imagine the weight saving would more than offset any added weight necessary to reinforce the recess. Regarding the idea of a deep tuttle box mount, there's a video on the channel 'blueplanetsurf' titled 'Wing Foil Masterclass- Alan Cadiz in Kailua'. Alan is an expert wing foiling instructor from Oahu in Hawaii. The audio in this video is very poor due to wind noise, but if you listen to what he says, starting at timestamp 11:32, he mentions how significant the drag reduction is with a tuttle box compared with a standard baseplate mount. I've often thought of this on light wind days. It's so frustrating when I'm right on the edge of lifting out of the water onto foil, knowing that the drag of the baseplate is holding me back. Obviously the power of the Foil Drive is sufficient to overcome the additional drag of the battery pod between the baseplate and the board, but I still think it's worth exploring the idea of incorporating a tuttle box with a hidden recess for the battery. Perhaps this idea only has a narrow use case for surf foiling in larger waves, where unintentional touchdowns can cause an automatic wipeout. I live in South Australia, a long way from Adelaide, and there's an offshore bombie here that is a serious swell magnet, effectively doubling the size of the swell compared to everywhere else on this coastline. The issue is that the reef is 1500 metres out to sea, so the slim model of the Gen 2 Foil Drive won't give me enough run time to get out there and enjoy a long session, so the max power battery is essential. However the issue that Jamie raised in the tech talk is a serious concern for me. He said he prefers using the Slim model Foil Drive because the Max presents too much surface area on the bottom of the board, causing touchdowns to be catastrophic. I'm curious Dominic, if you could choose anywhere else to mount the battery box (other than directly above the mast) with it recessed into the hull of the board, where would you think is best for weight distribution? I'm thinking you could put it in the tail section, immediately behind the mast, as you never stand there, so it's out of the high pressure area on the deck, yet close enough to the mast to minimise swing weight. What do you think? I'm pretty sure I'm going to go ahead with this, so any thoughts and feedback would be appreciated. I'm also thinking of getting in touch with the guys at Foil Drive to involve them in the design process too, as I'm sure they'll have some valuable ideas. You're the first person I've run the idea by though, so what are your thoughts?
Spitfire 1100 Can’t remember the stab, it could either be the p300 or the skinny 45. Definitely one of those two as that’s all I took with me on that trip
Cool. Quick question, why not put the pod as high as possible thus minimizing drag? Seems like all one needs is speed and a little pump of the wing.
Yes, the shortest cable length (15cm) would be best for winging, but I use my foil drive system for surfing and downwinding as well so I prefer 20cm as it gives me the most flexibility
Super awesome! How is the North mode wing?
Hey Wiepkje. Hope all is going well with you. I only had one light wind session with the North Mode, but I thought it was very impressive 👌
I have the Modes. Awesome wings. Ordering Mode Pros which should be very similar but sligthly improved.
Ho Dominic,
nice vid 🤩! Now I'm in. The 1st gen was not my thing but the nice integrated battery in the 2nd is a really big step forward. The combination of foil drive with the wing opens so many new possibilities and increases the number of days on water significantly. I love the idea.
How big is your board in this video?
Cheers!
Sorry for the late reply. The board in this video was the apple slice v2. 83ltrs. I can’t remember the exact length but I think it was just over 5 ft, maybe a little bit longer
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thanks!
Hi Dom.Is controller in your hand just on a wrist leash?
Trying to decide max vs slim pro for winging on a lake. I’d like to also go to San Francisco to wing also. I am a new winger but old fouler. Struggling some at the moment in the sport. Which combo do you recommend?
Really sorry about the late reply. I guess you’ve figured out what’s best for you by now but if it helps - for winging I prefer the slim because it’s super light and I only need power to help get me up on foil occasionally, however I an perfectly happy to use the Max (preferably with the sport battery as it’s lighter than the power battery but again I’m happy to use the power battery if that’s all that is available)
Unless you’re a very proficient skill level I always recommend to get the max due to the extra battery run time. If you’re going to be using the motor a lot you have to get the max. It sucks to run out of battery
Have you mounted your controller on the back boom handle?
Some people do that and it works fine
If you don't mount it on the boom what is the alternative? Seems hard to hold controller and have hand on handle?@@dominichoskyns9091
What would be the best way exactly to go about doing this? Any additional attachment needed?@@dominichoskyns9091
How would you mount the contrôler on a wing with soft handles?
Using the paddle mount on the front handle to position it so I can reach the trigger with the thumb of my front hands
Thank you
I "have to" keep my Gen1 Foil Drive...I have Deep Tuttle mount on my WindFoil Board.
Old school 👊Respect is due🫶
Dominic, I've had an idea that you might find interesting, as I know from some of your previous videos that you're into physics and hydrodynamic efficiency. Since the Gen 2 Foil Drive has come out, I keep thinking about how cool it would be to get a custom board made that would present the most hydrodynamic surface possible to the water. I watched the Tech Talk you did about the Gen 2 Foil Drive with Jamie, Dave, Trav and Paul, and there's a moment when Jamie says that when riding big waves, because you're going super fast, if you happen to touch down you are likely to "go over the handlebars" due to the instant drag of the battery pod hitting the water. This got me thinking, what if you designed a custom board with a tuttle mount for the mast, and a recessed box for the Foil Drive max power battery? With the new waterproof batteries, you wouldn't even need the whole aluminium pod at all, which would save weight. What do you think?
@@guywhitworth5764 interesting idea. We’ve had a board made with a recess in the hull to fit the exact shape of the box. Surprisingly, everyone who tried it agreed that it didn’t make a noticeable difference to drag. Unfortunately the recess in the hull added weight to the board as it had to be reinforced. Other points to note:
You can’t attach a turtle mast to the gen 2 box.
You can’t use the system without a nose cone because the battery would move around within the box and would damage in time.
Sorry to disappoint you on this but please don’t stop thinking outside the box😉
@@dominichoskyns9091thank you for your reply, and for the encouragement to keep thinking "outside the box"! I love how perfectly appropriate that is, haha!
It's interesting that no one who rode the board with the recess in the hull noticed a difference in drag. I realise there's no way to incorporate a tuttle box mount with the existing system, as it mounts between the mast baseplate and the board, which obviously requires a mast with a baseplate. This is why I was thinking you could kill two birds with one stone by creating a recessed box in the hull of the board that has the exact internal dimensions as the CNC routed aluminium battery pod. That way you wouldn't have any issues with the battery rattling around, and you would also save weight by eliminating the aluminium battery box. I'd imagine the weight saving would more than offset any added weight necessary to reinforce the recess.
Regarding the idea of a deep tuttle box mount, there's a video on the channel 'blueplanetsurf' titled 'Wing Foil Masterclass- Alan Cadiz in Kailua'. Alan is an expert wing foiling instructor from Oahu in Hawaii. The audio in this video is very poor due to wind noise, but if you listen to what he says, starting at timestamp 11:32, he mentions how significant the drag reduction is with a tuttle box compared with a standard baseplate mount. I've often thought of this on light wind days. It's so frustrating when I'm right on the edge of lifting out of the water onto foil, knowing that the drag of the baseplate is holding me back. Obviously the power of the Foil Drive is sufficient to overcome the additional drag of the battery pod between the baseplate and the board, but I still think it's worth exploring the idea of incorporating a tuttle box with a hidden recess for the battery.
Perhaps this idea only has a narrow use case for surf foiling in larger waves, where unintentional touchdowns can cause an automatic wipeout. I live in South Australia, a long way from Adelaide, and there's an offshore bombie here that is a serious swell magnet, effectively doubling the size of the swell compared to everywhere else on this coastline. The issue is that the reef is 1500 metres out to sea, so the slim model of the Gen 2 Foil Drive won't give me enough run time to get out there and enjoy a long session, so the max power battery is essential. However the issue that Jamie raised in the tech talk is a serious concern for me. He said he prefers using the Slim model Foil Drive because the Max presents too much surface area on the bottom of the board, causing touchdowns to be catastrophic.
I'm curious Dominic, if you could choose anywhere else to mount the battery box (other than directly above the mast) with it recessed into the hull of the board, where would you think is best for weight distribution? I'm thinking you could put it in the tail section, immediately behind the mast, as you never stand there, so it's out of the high pressure area on the deck, yet close enough to the mast to minimise swing weight. What do you think? I'm pretty sure I'm going to go ahead with this, so any thoughts and feedback would be appreciated. I'm also thinking of getting in touch with the guys at Foil Drive to involve them in the design process too, as I'm sure they'll have some valuable ideas. You're the first person I've run the idea by though, so what are your thoughts?
What size cable length ?
This one was 20 which is fine but IMO the 15 is slightly better for winging
Which foil and stab you had on this ride?
Spitfire 1100
Can’t remember the stab, it could either be the p300 or the skinny 45. Definitely one of those two as that’s all I took with me on that trip
What size carbon mast are you on?
82cm