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Hey just finished watch this video and I also watched is poe and Finn gay and I couldn't help but notice on that video you kept saying forced while showing Anakin and padme, so my question is this are you calling it forced cuz you are secretly shipping Anakin with Obi-Wan or something else. Cuz for me I know in the legend the novels of Star Wars that it explains Anakin and padme's love more clearly however in the prequels movie I will admit is kind of shocking for a teenage girl to fall in love with a nine-year-old boy. So are you going to make a video of Anakin and Obi-Wan: are they gay? I'll be very interested in checking it out, cause I go on wattpad to read Anakin x Obi-Wan.
Bucky: *looks into Sams eyes, goes to couples therapy, says he’d move in with Sam. Marvel: Just a couple of dudes being guys Bucky: *says hello to female Marvel: I hear wedding belllsssssss
To be honest I saw buck and Sam as just bros being bros and nothing else the Asian girl at the bar was only there for a few seconds and so she doesn’t seem like a good match up for buck but obviously there was some offscreen stuff witch is disappointing get Bucky someone to fall in love with that we didn’t see for just three seconds (not Sam)
@@snail-q6107 its cool for them to be just friends, but jts kinda sad having almost no representation besides Loki being canonlly Bi and Gender fluid and yet getting some selfcest instead of an actual romance that could represent the LGBTQ+ community
@@ange1_dsst even the gender fluid thing is essentially canceled. In one of the episodes, Loki... [spoilers below] Loki meets a bunch of alternate universe versions of himself, and asks if they met or heard a female Loki before, and they respond, "no, she sounds terrifying". Meaning none of them ever identified as female, and the idea of doing so is somehow weirder to them than the fact that there's a freaking alligator Loki with them durring this conversation.
“1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.” I love how they say this, it made me laugh so hard, like lives are being threatened.
I did the math there are 29 different superheroes in the cinematic universe so far so using the 1/6 or 0.16 there should be 4-5 LGBTQ+ superheroes. In all of marvel there are 7000 superheroes using the same math 1120 superheroes should be LGBTQ+ and that is just reflecting the population.
Ha : ( Watch them make billy str8 and hulking female. The reason marvel movies are so successful is because they don't do anything to upset their straight male fans who let's be honest are like 80% of the fanbase.
They literally won’t. In the Eternals film we’ll see 🏳️🌈 couple and in Young Avengers we’llall know Billy and Hulkling will end up together. If they’re 🏳️🌈 in the comics they will be in the mcu
Marvel has straight up used the “falling on top of the other” trope with a BUNCH of their other couples like Natasha/Bruce, like shot for shot, lingering stares and everything, but suddenly it’s not supposed to be romantic when it’s Sam/Bucky??? Make it make sense
I presume the "joke" was supposed to be that they're not gay but they landed in a position that couples usually land in multiple movies, shows, and games.
You'd think straight writers would know how their own people act, lol! if they're so straight, where are the women, strip clubs, and Playboy subscriptions?
The worst part about queerbating is the fact that after they do that, companies gaslight the fan base and call them "crazy" or tell them "they're looking too much into it"
He wasn’t exclusively looking at men’s dating profiles. That tiger comment is kinda homophobic to assume gay men were the only ones drugging up tigers to take pictures with when it was a big deal a few years ago on Tinder for men and women of multiple sexualities.
When Marvel did that “Bucky might be bisexual you just need to keep watching“ thing, I knew that we were about to be queer baited and I was annoyed that they thought they had to. Like we are fully prepared to be queer baited you don’t have to pull this extra shit. We are invested whether or not you try honey.
Hey, there’s still a few years, maybe they can confess their love in Spanish before being pulled into super hell Edit: I’m sorry Supernatural fans, it must feel like getting stabbed by a rusty nail
I think everyone is missing the Sebastian Stan effect. He literally has homoerotic sexual tention with all of his male co-stars. Go back and look at any of his films.
I watched this weird teen male witch movie called the The Covenant or the Coven or something like that, purely because it had Sebastian Stan in it, and I was gobsmacked that he had homoerotic enemies-to-lovers tension with another guy in THAT movie too
Damn right 😌🤣💅🏽 Like we done with that bs it is fact that: 1.Bucky is NOT straight and is most likely closeted 2. Sam is also not straight and probably bi with a preference for guys 3. Thor is omni. P e r i o t. 4. Both peters are bi and this was announced CANON 5. Deadpool is pan. Its canon everywhere you look from the comics to the movies. 6. You cannot tell me that Tony will not flirt with anyone and everyone he wants to. That man is a FLAMING bisexual Bi-lionair.
Steve and Nat had close encounters and they never ended up together. Tony and Rhodes would’ve never been romantic say if it happened with their suits running out of power.
@@HauntingMarikh But that’s actually really toxic to propel that if they had been different genders they’d be together in a scene like that. Steve and Nat wouldn’t have had been like that nor Tony and Rhodes
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 I only recognized that he may have flirted with Sarah after I saw a reaction to that scene. For me it had a "I want his family to like me" kinda vibe and I thought Bucky was thinking of Steves mom when Sarah told him her name. Maybe I was already too in love with SamBucky to see anything non platonic between Bucky and Sarah. That's why I think Bucky didn't react more to Sams 'warning' not to flirt with his sister.
This is not original I saw it on tumblr but Captain America is not the shield, the spirit, or anything like that It’s whoever Bucky Barnes has the hots for at the moment
@@Cecilia-rj5bh Nope. John definitely didn't. That's why he would have just been the rebound guy before Bucky came to his senses. Thankfully, Sam was there and kept that awful mistake from happening.
@@Thed538dhsk Good question. I'd go with Lemar having some unrequited love thing going on with Walker. The hero worship he had for Walker seemed a bit intense sometimes. Lemar seems like a great guy but his perception regarding Walker is more than skewed. Telling Walker that he always makes the right decisions in the heat of battle? Where, Lemar? Please indicate.
Bucky was always written as a “lady’s man” while Steve was pining over Peggy. Sam however has not been romantically linked to any character, male or female. He is the one shippers should focus on.
exactly! Sam is easily one of the (if not Thee) most queercoded characters on Marvel. like, he's never even properly interacted with women in any situation that wasn't on the battlefield. but if you just take a look at his scenes with Steve??? and his scenes with BUCKY?????? and MAINLY his backstory with Riley, which isn't something that we've really seen being developed (and for some reason, something that wasn't even mentioned on this video :l), but is suuuuch an open space to confirm Sam's queerness! but fans are more busy endlessly talking about bucky ig
@@laserqueencharlie I really don’t see how either of these characters are queer coded, homies are homies and that’s about it, I feel like if people wanted actual representation they would be asking for iceman or someone from the comics that is actually gay instead of changing a character’s sexuality because apparently instead of having an original character be gay, you need to change preexisting characters
@@greenmuffin1343 I don't think changing preexisting characters is a bad thing. If they can create a better character by deviating from the source material, I think they should go for it. That's why I personally like gender bending characters. Always sticking to the source can make it stale and boring. If they can do the character justice they should take some creative liberties.
@@yuthika2965 making a character better doesn’t involve changing their gender or race especially if they already have a story you can build upon and especially if their story has nothing to do with race or gender or sexuality. A character’s entire personality shouldn’t be their gender or race, as such a person shouldn’t, this is pandering and why many people in those respective communities don’t like it
@@greenmuffin1343 if their stories have nothing to do with race, gender or sexuality then why would it even matter if those aspects are changed? They would still be the same person with the same story.
Gonna refer to that Sebastian Stan interview on this one. If you’re gay, you find some kinship with the characters and see the relationship that way, honey, IT’S GAY.
They aren’t gay. Sam could be or bi or really any sexuality as we haven’t seen him in any romantic relationship since he was romantically involved with Steve or Bucky despite many fans desires
@@Thed538dhsk I mean, I was referring to the relationship-but sure, if you want, they’re bisexual. In the spirit of Sebastian’s statement, fretting over semantics kind of defeats the point. All he meant is, your interpretation of the character becomes truth the moment it’s released out of the creator’s hands. If Sam or Bucky being gay (because I am gay) serves me best, why not? The “canon” is just as much fiction as the viewer’s interpretation is fiction. Make it what you want.
@@Thed538dhsk who are you to talk about fruitless efforts when you're literally spamming all the top comments telling people that their ships aren't legit?
@Kaitlyn Yan How can you say they straight washed either of those characters when neither have been in a relationship( hell Ayo has barely been around), I also have no clue where your getting Bucky is a mix from. Honestly, sure Marvel should have more LGBT characters(and they will with Eternals and hopefully a Young Avengers film or show later)
One of my favorite scenes was when Sam and Bucky where fixing the boat, it was just so fun and their banter was so funny, and in the ending where Bucky says “I wanna move in with Sam but he’s not good at sharing” BRUH PLEASE LET THEM JUST BE TOGETHER 🥲
sam is definitely gay: he was most definitely in a relationship with riley, his first interaction with steve was a meet cute, he legally married bucky in the last ep of fatws and they are currently working on living arrangements, and in this essay i will- /hj
You do know 1 of the relationships in Eternals is homosexual and Wanda just gave birth to a gay and bisexual character. Valkyrie will also be looking for her queen
As much as I want more MLM rep, its also just as good to see guys just having healthy friendships with each other and not being showered in toxic masculinity, like Mao Mao and Badgerclops. Just like in the case of Season 4 Infinity Train, we queer baited ourselves and got upset with the creators.
Well I'm on the same boat as you. I would love to see LGBTQ relationship in shows like this. But I would also like friendship bieng represented too because I've seen way to many trope of friendship to romantic relationship that always ends badly. Straight relationship always had that problem and theirs rise of friendship to love LGBTQ. I'm not saying its bad to represent queer people on screen no no no. What I'm trying to say is that romantic stuff are over represented (straight relationship) and seems that friendships is put down.
I WOULD agree with you, had we seen this trope amongst MLM couples as much as we’ve seen it with straight couples. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve been told or asked “WhY cAn’T they Be FRiends?” I don’t know, Jim Bob, why did Couldn’t Steve stay friends with Sharon, who by extension, was his NEICE. why can’t some of these straight couples stay friends? There’s ALWAYS a romance, whether it’s canon or pure speculation, between straight couples, but when it comes to fans seeing two male characters together suddenly it’s a problem. I understand that you’re coming from a good place, and yes, male friendship is good representation. There has ALWAYS been male friendship representation, but personally, this phrase just serves to me as a homophobic dog whistle (not coming from you, because your opinion is genuine) by straight people who don’t like it when queer people even HEADCANNON a character as queer.
@@officialmouse8470 Yes I agree with you and again I'm not against LGBTQ+ people relationship or straight relationships bieng represented in the media. It's a nice thing to see LGBTQ+ relationships bieng represented in a positive light. The real issue is romance is over represented wether it be straight or LGBTQ+ relationship. There need to be a balance in representing differences in romance and friendship so that people aren't going to mix it together that its causing so much confusion. So yeah did ya get what I'm trying to explain?
@@mysafewhoopernsfw8228 i also agree with what youre saying in the general sense - however, i think that LGBTQ+ romantic relationships shouldnt be grouped with straight ones when talking about the oversaturation of romantic relationships in media (over platonic relationships/friendship) because we really havent reached a point where there is even a decent amount of LGBTQ+ relationships, even when combining the platonic and romantic relationships. So although i also agree and think its important to represent all relationships equally, i would say that there are many movies and shows that do show two males in a close non-romantic bond, as the 'why cant two guys just be friends' arguement is an arguement i see very often when people discuss the many m/m relationships in media (not saying you've used the arguement obviously, im just mentioning it as it is a point brought up often to shoot down people headcanoning m/m relationships as gay). So while I agree that romance is oversaturated in media and much outweighs good representations of friendships, i think it is much more applicable in heterosexual relationships - as the examples of two women or two men being in close 'non-romantic' friendships much outweigh the number of actually canon lesbian/gay couples in media. This is pretty close to what Official Mouse said but I thought I'd also chime in.
they should make bucky at least a bisexual since his mcu characterisation is basically a mix between himself and arnie roth who is openly gay in the comics
I think Sam has queercoding too, his relationship with Riley is very vague but also one of the biggest turn points in his life, plus his introduction was literally a meet cute with steve Rogers and then a flirty hello to natasha. I think he could be bi or pan because think about it, he hasnt had a single love interest and he's a main character now. Plus I want to see Sam at a pride parade like he was in the comics
I got some other evidence to support the bibucky theory. He said there were lots of tiger pictures on his tinder, it's more common for men to post tiger pics on tinder. Not overly common for women. This suggests that he set his filter on both women and men.
why do people always say "at least bisexual" as if that's a halfway point from being gay?? thats not what bisexuality is. or as if bisexuality is not "queer enough" like literally fuck off lol
That scene with Bucky and Sam on a therapy session made me uncomfortable... ... because I'm watching it with my homophobic family and I'm still in the closet. I wanted to hide.
I'd like to point out that it's really the MCU that doesn't care about queer people; I would really love to see some of the canon queer characters recognized on screen.
@Gabs I totally agree with you there must be more women of colour representation, what my comment was referencing more was the fact that the same people that constantly say we overanalyse things for the sake of it being LGBTQ, overanalyse scenes simply because it's a boy and a girl.
@Gabs Yeah it’s conflicting because as a black bisexual woman I’d love if Bucky and Sarah got together but I also like the idea of Sam and Bucky being together. So he could just be a bisexual I guess
@@kosiqueensly4506 That man just radiates bi energy. And there isnt a lot of representation for bi people. And when it is, its usually white women who dont like labels. Im not saying that that is bad, but there needs to be a lot more. And if they cannonicly confirm Bucky as bi having him in a relationship with any gender is still representation. While I prefer Sam and Bucky, I think that Sarah and Bucky would be cute too. And as a previous comment said, its still an important representation for the interracial part no matter what else.
As much as I like your analysis, there were a lot of times when you took something that was explicitly about race and racism and made it about homophobia and being gay and in the context of everything going on in the world… It was really not fun to watch. Marvel absolutely queer baited the fuck out of the show, but a lot of the things you used as big moments of proof were pretty irrelevant :/
Yeah a lot of the scenes were explicit commentary on race and it was ingenious to superimpose queer readings on them. It felt like deliberately ignoring the racial commentary and was weird
I was just thinking that! Alex addressed it once, how Bucky is stuck in the white, cis ideal world he used to be in, but that conversation was def more about race. And that Isaiah convo... that was most importantly about race first.
@@mydroogies5529 yes that would have been fine if it weren’t for the field scene, I’m all for toxic masculinity being destroyed, straight men doing things people would call gay (wearing feminine clothing, being friendly and hugging, not being all punchy punchy sports sports, etc) but that trope was used in every other marvel couple and nobody in the mcu has done that without falling in love
I absolutely hate how SteveBucky and SamBucky shippers go against/hate each other. I mean, just think we TOGETHER could bash Endgame Steve, and the whole of Marvel. Such a waste of a potential ally!
@@debbieisexhausted as someone who manly ship Steve and Tony (slowly getting into Stucky dive face first into Bucky x Sam) make it poly you cowards. Seriously OT3’s are a thing for a reason!
The only reason sambucky shippers have ire against stevebucky is because we've had to endure the fandom being racist and erasing Sam or treating him like an asshole for years only to suddenly act like they never did all that after tfatws. There are great talented people on both fandoms but theres a reason people are annoyed.
Im surprised you didnt mention the "romance" with sam's sister and bucky, since its really common for shows to end amazing gay chemistry by pairing the characters with the other's sisters I was so mad at all these scenes cuz i thought they were gonna do it
for me, a bi black person, i was so conflicted with that whole thing. cuz like, on one hand I want SamBucky to be canon. on another hand, I also loved seeing Bucky flirt with (TWO!!) women of color--one of whom are darkskinned. it's the classic trope of "best friend has crush on sibling or vice versa" and imo i wouldn't have been mad at that version.
@@Thed538dhsk well wait, why don’t you want him to be bi? idk. maybe i’m just tired of characters being “forced to choose a side”. also i will say this: buddy cop action movie tropes can be very homoerotic, esp when you consider the fact that it’s often acted in a way that two straight characters would act.
@@deaf-tomcat I felt the same way but I also suspect that Disney has neither the guts to pair to their white holloywood hearthrob with a dark-skinned single mom nor make him qu33r so I'm sure that they are baiting on both accounts.
That moment where Bucky slo-mo walks to the boat in the morning, for no reason other than to be with Sam (fixing the boat is an excuse), with Bucky standing behind Sam and gently speaking with that dimmed romantic lighting as that soft music is playing....come on, they’d have kissed if this was a hereto couple, no doubt. In any other movie, that would be the moment that Bucky finally gives in to his desire and kisses the woman who has found a sense of emotional safety with. For God’s sake, they go out of their way to show Bucky wake up peacefully after spending the night at Sam’s house. That look on his face after he wakes up and realizes that he’s ok here, ok with SAM...come on, y’all. There’s a lot of times in media where I think a lot of desperate people are trying to read something that wasn’t there, but I was watching that scene and thinking “there’s no way they wouldn’t be kissing passionately right now if Sam was played by Zendaya”.
@@opaquea2448 Classic "they kiss but not really"/"quick kiss me so the enemy will think we're civilians". Natasha kisses the side of his lip and it doesn't even count because it was for "work".
Sam and Bucky are a couple and everything else is just a Disney cover up. I've been through this with Finn and Poe and in my reality they are all canon
Did you learn nothing from Wandavision, you can’t stay locked up in your reality. The truth is Sam and Bucky aren’t a ship in the mcu. Could change but right now they are friends with a mutual friend who’s now gone
@RABNerd28 I was so frustrated at how this video was almost entirely about Bucky and treated Sam like a means for getting bisexual Bucky, instead of his own, likewise queer character :(
Yep, I never shipped Stucky (I would have shipped it if it became canon. Back then I never shipped non-canon ships.) Someone pointed out Sambucky's bickering rivals to lovers dynamic and then next thing I knew I was on tumblr at 3am.
I did a research essay about the misrepresentation of queer people and queer-baiting and I actually used this channel as a cited source. I love my English teacher.
@@Thed538dhsk First of all, Why are you responding "no" under every single comment there is?? It's obvious that this is a Sambucky video, if you don't ship them, just don't watch it. Second, I don't understand why you would write "They appear hetrosexual", what does the appearence of anyone have to do with anything? or are you trying to say something else? Third, they are FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, they don't exist, we can ship them with whoever we want, whether its with the same sex or different. It's our wish and our opinion. You don't have to hate or try to bash anyone because of it.
I didn’t expect Sam or Bucky to end up together and I certainly don’t ship Sambucky but even I saw the homoerotic subtext and was like “people are gonna be mad” and I was kinda upset too. With as much energy they put into thoughtful storytelling about racial identity, you would think they would know better than to queerbait. I’m all for shows giving straight guys a friendship that isn’t insecure about their sexuality - I actually want more of it because god knows that I’ve had it with the toxic masculinity. But I think they did Sam and Bucky all wrong and it’s a huge example of why we need more queer representation in Marvel. We’re left shipping the canonically straight MCU characters that have homoerotic subtext in their writing. What did they expect us to do when they sent them to fucking couples therapy?
Even if we accept that Sam is 100% straight, can we at least have Bucky be bi? We've been questioning his sexuality ever since the first avenger, after all, so it wouldn't be that shocking of a reveal. Like, the industry is lacking in some healthy, non-weird bi/straight bro solidarity right now, so give us the goods!
@@Thed538dhsk You know, I don’t get your need to have Bucky be hetero and Sam be gay. Because according to your way of thinking there’s honestly nothing showing Sam being fundamentally gay - just because his previous military partner was Riley and his death hurt Sam that apparently makes him gay? Just because he hasn’t had a (female, of course) love interest that makes him gay? In universe, Bucky has probably only flirted with women because he was born in 1917. Real world, Disney just doesn’t want to lose the money and dealings it has with countries that don’t support LGBT+ and money from homophobic people/households in America. That’s a lot of revenue gone and bridges burned in business for something many of them don’t really give a shit about anyway. That’s why they had Steve act out of character in Endgame and go back to Peggy. Evans’ contract was up and they were not going to have Steve “Captain America” Rogers be a queer no sir. Obligatory het romance that makes no sense coming right up. Bucky has been coded as Bi for years now and Sam has had his own moments since his introduction (literal meet cute with Steve lol), and then they were smooshed together with very obvious romance tropes being used throughout the show. I don’t get your aversion to seeing both of them as queer just because Bucky flirts with girls. You’re being deliberately obtuse in regards to the character, the age he grew up in and how he was literally repressed for 70 years and how Hollywood works - they only care about money and it’s full of homophobes and homophobic opinions due to the Hays Code.
@@Thed538dhsk In regards to the MCU the comics don’t matter - it’s an adaptation. Things have changed from the original material and that can be okay. Thor and Loki are brothers, Hela is not Loki’s daughter. Steve and Bucky are the same age (Bucky is older) and are childhood friends, they made the decision to keep Steve’s origin story in the 40s but brought him into the present to fit with everyone else. Tony wasn’t captured in Afghanistan in 2008 in the comics but they modernized it for the movie. MCU Bucky is a amalgamation of comic book Bucky Barnes and comic book Arnie Roth… a character that was gay. In fact his backstory of being Steve’s best friend, being bigger and stronger than Steve, protecting him from bullies is Roth’s backstory. So MCU Bucky being Bi would actually make sense if he’s a combination of Roth, Steve’s gay childhood friend, and Barnes/The Winter Soldier, Steve’s straight sidekick. It totally evens out lol. Just using the comics as a basis.
I am honestly so, so tired of the constant queerbaiting in all Disney productions - is it too much to ask for a hero:ine with their own story arc (that has nothing to do with the struggle of being gay (I'm also really tired of that trope)) who save the world together with their beloved person (I also accept and love enemies to lovers) and happens to be LGBT+? I just want one high production sci fi/ fantasy/ action movie with a queer main character who is not only coded, but *shown* and *acknowledged* to be queer. Deadpool is a great start, but it would be even better if he had a male love interest at some part - for that it can be made canon and his pansexuality is not only present in jokes. And no, I don't accept any movies like Raya, where all the clues are there, quite obviously, but is only gay in subcontext, out of fear that confirming might lead to dropping views in certain countries. Stop being cowards. Thank you for coming to my TED - Rage.
100% agree. Unfortunately they will always try to pander to as many people as possible so they will keep doing this shit because it's the most profitable.
Shows like the netflix She-ra and The Owl House show a great example of what you might be talking about. The main characters are both lgbt and there are other characters that are too and they don’t make a big deal out of it. :)
Here’s hoping Valkyrie gets to be bi, Thor love and thunder has been described as a romance movie so I’m hoping Jane and Valkyrie will get to be our marvel bi queens
When talking with my bestie (who was about to start watching the show) I told her to be prepared for an infuriating amount of queerbaiting. She's cishet and even she was frustrated by it.
@@Thed538dhsk Did you not watch this video? He laid out a point-by-point case for exactly why it IS queerbaiting. Literal bulletpoints and video clips.
@@Thed538dhsk we don't see him go after either of the women he flirted with - yes he flirts and finds women attractive, but that doesn't make him 100% hetero. a bisexual interpretation is totally valid. they don't confirm any hetero relationships for the character and the only thing that is confirmed is Bucky and Sam's bond. So yes, it totally was queer baiting! Especially considering he leaves the Asian girl behind to go live closer to Sam and his family - whether you want to interpret that as platonic or romantic, it's still queer baiting!
hope they wont fuck up loki series like this, considering loki has always been queer both in mitology and comics. i know they said it's confirmed he'll be bisexual in the show but marvel barely done anything to lgbtq so i have a feeling they won't actually give a proper bi representation & it's just bait :( edit: so appearantly he is canonically genderfluid, that's awesome cuz we are finally going somewhere !!! all we need now it getting represented along with his sexuality
Episode 3 dropped a quote that confirmed he’s bisexual, now it’s just a matter of waiting for marvel to follow through in proving whether or not it’s just lipservice
All this bait is frustrating. Bucky would be a great character to 'retcon' as bisexual. He's just re-discovering his identity after the brainwashing. And you could explain his unawareness about his sexuality until now with the lack of knowledge and tolerance about LGBT+ identities in the 1940s. It could be a really great story - kind of similar to what Doom Patrol is doing brilliantly with Larry Trainor. But it will always stay headcanon because Marvel are cowards. I'm very worried for the Young Avengers. I can't imagine an MCU (at least at the moment) where they are rightfully depicted.
@@sch0t1_80 We would all riot. Seriously. Honestly though, I don't think Marvel would outright give her a boyfriend. You can't do that to a lesbian character nowadays (thankfully, because it's complete bullshit). They are probably not going to give her an outright girlfriend either. I'm worried that they are going to make all of the YA's sexualities ambiguous - kind of similar to how Billy and Teddy weren't allowed to kiss on panel for years. I respect Allan Heinberg and the creative team a lot for working around that and giving us such a great couple. Maybe we'll even get a kiss scene, but one that is small enough that you can completely cut it out for that box office money. So, I'll assume they are going to do it with *subtext* and never outright confirm anything. At least that has been Marvel/Disney's MO. I sincerely hope that they prove me wrong - but my hopes aren't that high.
Considering that they’re not doing much with Bucky and it doesn’t seem like we’re getting a white wolf movie or even arc they might as well take some risks with his character.
@@nickimillennium He's gonna be in the Thunderbolts-movie with Yelena which I'm excited about. Interesting to see what his arc will be like & if they do something with the White Wolf. I doubt they'll address his sexuality - though I would appreciate some bold choices. It would only be fair after years of queer- baiting. So much of his fanbase would welcome it.
I'm really eager to see what holes they're going to jump over to ignore Loki's genderfluidity in the upcoming series. Am I allowed to be a little hopeful because it's a Pride Month premiere? Probably just another marketing strategy from those sneaky little bastards. Anyway, I hope they know it's not only shitting on the comics, but also basic norse mythology.
@@bluflavouredpudding ignore Dcbiz they’re a troll who’s been going through the top comments arguing. i hope they at least try to explore loki’s genderfluidity as well. would be awesome to see lady loki. but given marvels track record i’m not too optimistic
@@Thed538dhsk I wouldn't be mad about that. There are already content creators jumping onboard the Bucky & John ship. Bucky & Zemo is definitely the most popular enemies-to-lovers ship from the show though, but a Bucky & John pairing simultaneously has more edge and less baggage involved and I'm kind of here for it. The fact that Bucky hates John so ferociously in the beginning of the show makes it even better.
@@mieroth I actually like the Bucky and Zemo ship cause there is actual room for their tension and dynamic to become romantic, Bucky x Sam on the other hand didn't exist until Stucky shippers needed something to latch on to after Endgame.
@@DarkPulsaterLiteGear Sam and Bucky have grown on me as a ship, and I'm definitely not a Stucky shipper (Stony is my primary Steve ship). Never saw the potential before this show, now I somewhat ship them and do read some fics of them. But while I like them together I don't love them together (so they're not OTP material). Not sure what's missing, there's just something about their chemistry which doesn't quite work for me in a romantic ship. So I was also somewhat charmed at the possibilities of Bucky and Zemo in this show, I always adore an enemies-to-lovers romance, that's my trope. But like I said, I fell into the John and Bucky rabbithole when it comes to this show, so haven't actually explored Bucky and Zemo much as a pairing (yet). But I'm always here for the multi-ship possibilities. The only time I find it difficult to multiship is when I've found an OTP for a show/universe. Like Steve and Tony I have a hard time shipping with anyone except for each other (or in an OT3). But Bucky, Sam, Zemo, John, etc are all free agents in my mind, I've yet to find their perfect matches. xD But maybe I'll look into more of that Bucky&Zemo content to see where it leads me...
I would love you to do a "Are they gay" episode on loki and mobius, the tension between those characters are crazy, and considering loki is canonically genderqueer I think there could be a chance of them getting together? I would just love to hear you discuss them as characters and just the show of loki
You made some great points but I can't help but be disappointed by how little you talked about Sam in this... I mean he's half of the ship and was barely mentioned? This was mostly about Bucky being queercoded and you completely sidelined Sam. There's a lot to be said about him as well, especially considering he's had no love interests on the MCU so far and has shown pretty much zero interest in women besides one small comment about looking cool in front of a girl.
You answered it yourself though, Sam doesn't get enough love on MCU by the creators/writers until now so Bucky ofc will be the main focus. I think if it was about Steve and Bucky it would be more weird if they only talk about one half but to me it makes sense that Sam is sidelined in this convo. He shouldn't be, but I'm not gonna expect a full analysis of a character that is more of a side character until Steve passed on his shield to him.
@@junosgladius i'm not even into the mcu anymore but GOD I hope they do more with Sam in the future. the man needs more love!!!! :( the scenes in fatws in Louisiana were my favorites just because we got to see more of Sam and his family (also bc.. I'm from Louisiana 🥺). like hello!! more of that please!!!
I mean, let’s be real people. Since the first time we saw Bucky and Steve, we all knew there was DEFINITELY some chemistry going on there. As far as I’m concerned, Bucky is bi and it’s obvious from a thousand miles away.
Yes! I mean if anything Bucky is with Steve until the end of the line (they’re married obviously) but Steve betrayed us all by going back into the past :( so now Sam is being a great friend/potential amazing boyfriend
@@Thed538dhsk I have literally seen your dumbass comments everywhere, half of what happens in the comics is NOT canon in the mcu. The mcu takes inspiration from the comics, but follows little of what actually happens in the comics. Therefore making your point wrong :)
@@lizziek7617 It really doesn’t though. Has the MCU changed any characters sexuality from their comic counter part, no. Loki and Korg and Valkyrie haven’t been explored with their sexuality not the mcu hasn’t changed it. I think they will in the Eternals but those are super obscure characters. The mcu is inspired by the comics and will leave Bucky and sam heterosexual as are their comic counter parts until stated otherwise so don’t be mad your head canon isn’t reality
they handled race so weirdly that i wasn’t surprising when they didn’t know what to do with bucky’s masculinity and sexuality. his entire story revolved around another guy and they’re gonna act like we’re over-reacting when WE see representation in THIER baiting and ambiguous writing
Exactly. They didn't even have him mention Steve like at all.. and that's so weird in the canon universe because Steve was literally his life. And now he's just going to act like Steve didn't exist at all? We're not falling for it, Marvel.
@Miriam Svenson I’m a black male and applaud them for how they addressed race from multiple angles. Many black young people have older family like Isiah who grew up under segregation and feel a certain way about the US rightly so. Other black people do have to feel persecuted for even wanting to have a seat at the table that is America and some expect us all to hate the US when there are black service men and women fighting in foreign wars because they love this country and I thought the show did a good job thx for my ted talk
I haven't even watched it, but seeing the trailers I was like: Gayyy- Er, I meant great... and totally straight 😅 Why does "great and totally straight" sound like some homophobic Facebook page tho? 😓😂
"great and totally straight", she said to her mother when she asked if she was fine, right before going back to text her girlfriend sorry this popped on my mind
my grade 5-7 English teacher was a massive mcu fan and her class was covered in pictures of bucky and steve posters , there were other movie posters i remember seeing but there was, thinking back on it she definitely used Tumblr. she was also my introduction to nerd culture and British people
Surprised you didn't bring up the "Mr. America, Cap's best friend" line. Even with the nohomo bit at the end, that specific line felt like a deliberate reference where Sharon was telling Bucky he acts like he's married to Captain America. Sure, it was an insult, but again at the end of the day even if it's just a gay joke it's still gay.
SamBucky is probably the first MCU relationship in a hot minute that if they were to feasibly get together it wouldn’t be toxic. Like Stucky is completely built off of nostalgia and in the actual movies they’re relationship is very strained
Sam also seems like one of the only emotionally healthy and honest people in the whole MCU lol. Like he isn't lost in nostalgia and a desire for the past like Steve, he's grounded in the here and now, is able to understand grey areas and nuances, is honest with Bucky about his need to define himself for himself while also being supportive of him. It also doesn't hurt that Sam has some training as a mental health professional specifically aiding people struggling to adjust to life back home after serving or always being in a fight. Like??? It writes itself. They would be great together.
@@Lisa_Flowers soooo true, and Sam also has really good chemistry and friendship with Bucky and understands him really well, so it would be a great relationship
@@Lisa_Flowers I get where you're going with this but let me say, Sam being Bucky's mental health support is NOT A GOOD THING. Sam is not a therapist and is certainly not Bucky's therapist. This is a callout for the Bucky stans in general, stop making Sam the good "bro" if we want to ship them, one character shouldn't be always in the position of being the other's "emotional support" and especially not the black character. Sam has enough trauma of his own to deal with he doesn't need Bucky's on top of that. Sorry this isn't directed to you specifically but we really have to stop this idea that Sam is support for the white characters, the man is CAPTAIN AMERICA.
Tryna ship Sambucky and talk about the queerbaiting while also dodging antiblack coments about Sarah and Anthony Mackie should be considered an olympic sport.
@@Thed538dhsk huh?? Sam and Bucky literally have comics together. That's where the show came from. Plus the MCU diverts a lot from what happens in the comic books - it's a natural process of converting a super detailed long comic series into the limited run time of film media. Things aren't always going to be accurate to the comic books, and that's okay. Just like how different editions of comic books have plot elements changed or edited, movies and TV episodes do the same thing.
@@Scarletsongs346 Comic Arnie isn’t confirmed nor imo is he mixed with comic Bucky even with subtext to make MCU Bucky. Bucky is heterosexual and non affiliated with any specific religion
I mean Feigie did say this was like a buddy cop type show and those kinds of shows tend to have emotional tension moments whether for comedy or deep friendships so maybe it was unintentional, idk my feelings are fragile don't roast me please
This video should have been titled Stucky 2.0, he barely mentioned Sam and when he did deign to do so it was only to twist his arc about being a black man taking on the Captain America mantle into a statement about queerbaiting/homophobia. Not to say the show doesn't have that, but those scenes were about race and the effect it would have on a hero like Sam and he just completely discarded that and its importance. In fact, he just discarded Sam entirely to talk about everyone's white favourites for the 1000th time 🙄
It's great that you made a video about one of my favorite ships, but people are rightfully disappointed that you barely talked about Sam. It's hard for People of Color to get good representation in media, and Sam is already underappreciated. A lot of people, including me, want more appreciation for Sam, so this video being mostly about Steve and Bucky can be pretty hurtful.
i agree with you on that, i just feel like the references to stucky were necessary cause 3/4 of them defined bucky’s character development and sam’s future as captain america (saying this as a poc, i wish people mentioned sam more too)
ngl as a sambucky shipper who never really shipped or liked stucky i noticed a lot of the video references stucky which is cool but it would be nice to acknowledge the hints of queerness that sam has like his relationship with riley
So like most of the time in ppl having double standards towards het and gay couples... its heteronormativity on top of amatonormativity...because just because a woman and a man are close doesn't mean they're always a couple , it doesn't also mean that two men or women together arent always not a couple.
I told my friend early in the series I suspect the series was trying to transfer Stucky Shippers to SamXBucky while still keeping it no homo enough to pivot away or deny in interview/future MCU content if they choose to and she didn’t believe me until the couple’s therapy scene
@@Thed538dhsk I didn’t say it was gay I said the show has enough subtext that it’s giving plenty of shipbait while having a plausible straight reading for every instance in a vacuum to get the shippers on board without dealing with the controversy of making it canon. Like they therapist literally called it couples therapy which you don’t generally call it in platonic relationships.
@@dragonetafireball The problem is that its called Couples Therapy as an insult, as a remark that they are bickering like a couple that and its a problem. "Fighting like an old married couple" might be kind of cute but its still saying "You guys are fighting to much"
I was really hoping for them to be together at the end, but I'm also fine with them just being good friends and openly demostrating that they care about each other and not having that rigid fragile masculinity. At the very least it shows young boys that that's ok. Not nearly enough, but it's a start (?)
I swear I got Destiel "ptsd" flashbacks from this show. Like don't get me wrong I love it way more than it probably deserves but some episodes in I texted my friend that at that point I wouldn't be suprised if the show ended with one of them making confessions and then immediately dieing... After episode five I told them that this was actually worse. At least Destiel was so far out of reach you felt like you knew you were just looking for breadcrumbs. With this show it's not even subtext you have to look for. If either of the two (probably Sam if I had to pick) had been a woman we had absolutely gotten a kiss at the end. Like the whole meeting the family and fixing the boat thing and then playing with the children and looking into the sunset at the end literally looks like a romcom. Shame marvel has no spine cause this would actually be fantastic representation wise.
1) I don’t think so. Clint and Nat never were romantically involved and seemed to be a positive representation of a female/male friendship. To me it reminded me more of Forest Gump. 2) What do you mean they have no spine? If the characters aren’t 🏳️🌈 in the comics they won’t be in the mcu period. Sam and Bucky aren’t 🏳️🌈 in the comics I think. I’m not too familiar with comic book sam being more of a Spidey fan than cap in the comics. Once a 🏳️🌈 marvel character is on screen then look for representation because it’d make no sense from the source material to have heterosexual characters be 🏳️🌈🤷🏾♂️
He isn’t in the comics and has only been seen going on dates with women in the mcu which has him lined up with his comic persona to be heterosexual not bi. Do I get a cookie now?
That's because Sam's black and literally no one wants to discuss his romantic attraction and sexual preferences. Even after his obviously not straight relationships with Riley, Steve, Joaquin, and Bucky... What else is knew... :/
Yeah. As a casual MCU watcher (I’ve maybe seen each film twice with my kids), Sam seems the gayest one. The scene where he meets Steve and basically cruises him in a park - I have no other way to process that except as a romantic/sexual thing. Doesn’t he call him back by saying something about “you can’t sleep cos your bed is too comfy”? I don’t know (I’m straight) but that seemed the queerest meeting to me.
THAT'S WHAT THE FANS DO WITH "STUCKONY". Dude, top fifteen Marvel ships in Ao3 include "Steve/Bucky", "Steve/Tony", and "Steve/Bucky", and that's counting platonic relationship tags. So, yeah, "Steve/Tony/Bucky" used to be a big thing back in the day.
One thing to note: according to TVTropes, Zemo stroking Bucky's chin was improvised by Brühl. Not sure how much that changes things: after all, they still could have chosen to use a different take.
Bisexuals, sound off: how many times have you had a crush on a pair of siblings of differing genders? I know I’m not the only one who’s thought “damn, those must be some good genes” or accidentally flirted with people who you didn’t know were related to each other
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Ok, just a suggestion, here it goes: Dieter and Van in Army of the dead (2021). I mean am I crazy? 🤔 No, my problems go deeper than that.
get that bag bae
Hey just finished watch this video and I also watched is poe and Finn gay and I couldn't help but notice on that video you kept saying forced while showing Anakin and padme, so my question is this are you calling it forced cuz you are secretly shipping Anakin with Obi-Wan or something else. Cuz for me I know in the legend the novels of Star Wars that it explains Anakin and padme's love more clearly however in the prequels movie I will admit is kind of shocking for a teenage girl to fall in love with a nine-year-old boy. So are you going to make a video of Anakin and Obi-Wan: are they gay? I'll be very interested in checking it out, cause I go on wattpad to read Anakin x Obi-Wan.
Why do I keep hearing "Fucky" sometimes 😂
We just wanted Sam Wilson content.
instead of Stucky, I vote to call it Starbucks
and I do not take criticism
It used to be Winter Falcon but that doesn't really work anymore
@@HauntingMarikh As a multishipper, it still does work pretty well ;D.
I CHOKED
what about fucky oh sorry wrong ship what about barnes and noble??
@@roadman373 criminally underrated ship name
The "he's not my partner" scene sounded a lot like a "he's not my boyfriend" scene from a romcom.
lol I thought the same
Ikr
*painful Sherlock flashbacks*
@@Flareontoast oh god no
Really? Sounded very buddy cop to me like Lethal Weapon?
Bucky: *looks into Sams eyes, goes to couples therapy, says he’d move in with Sam.
Marvel: Just a couple of dudes being guys
Bucky: *says hello to female
Marvel: I hear wedding belllsssssss
Fr
To be honest I saw buck and Sam as just bros being bros and nothing else the Asian girl at the bar was only there for a few seconds and so she doesn’t seem like a good match up for buck but obviously there was some offscreen stuff witch is disappointing get Bucky someone to fall in love with that we didn’t see for just three seconds (not Sam)
@@snail-q6107 its cool for them to be just friends, but jts kinda sad having almost no representation besides Loki being canonlly Bi and Gender fluid and yet getting some selfcest instead of an actual romance that could represent the LGBTQ+ community
@@ange1_dsst even the gender fluid thing is essentially canceled. In one of the episodes, Loki... [spoilers below]
Loki meets a bunch of alternate universe versions of himself, and asks if they met or heard a female Loki before, and they respond, "no, she sounds terrifying".
Meaning none of them ever identified as female, and the idea of doing so is somehow weirder to them than the fact that there's a freaking alligator Loki with them durring this conversation.
@@TheBluestflamingos EXACTLY!
i hope there's a 25 minute analysis of the therapist scene
I NEED DAT
The therapist is just a Sam and Bucky shipper in disguise
“1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.” I love how they say this, it made me laugh so hard, like lives are being threatened.
Homophobes are scared of me 😈😈 scratch that, everyone is
I did the math there are 29 different superheroes in the cinematic universe so far so using the 1/6 or 0.16 there should be 4-5 LGBTQ+ superheroes. In all of marvel there are 7000 superheroes using the same math 1120 superheroes should be LGBTQ+ and that is just reflecting the population.
A N D T H E Y W I L L C O N T I N U E T O G R O W
I guess we definitely are
lives are being threatened 🤭
we’re a danger to society
It seems like Bucky has a thing for people who’s names start with S-
I- 😃
Sam, Steve, and Snatasha
What about Sharon Carter then?
@@padmeamidala40 how about Sarah Wilson?
He has a thing for Captain America type people
Don't worry guys. Once Marvel adds the Young Avengers to the MCU, they can't possibly hide LGBTQ+ representation from us anymore, right?....RIGHT?
Ha : ( Watch them make billy str8 and hulking female. The reason marvel movies are so successful is because they don't do anything to upset their straight male fans who let's be honest are like 80% of the fanbase.
At this point I'm thinking they might get creative and just invent all sorts of new homophobic tropes lmao
@@yungprint4150 lol noooo that would literally be the worst
They literally won’t. In the Eternals film we’ll see 🏳️🌈 couple and in Young Avengers we’llall know Billy and Hulkling will end up together. If they’re 🏳️🌈 in the comics they will be in the mcu
@@Lisa_Flowers Why would they possibly do that? Have they ever been like that in the past?
Marvel has straight up used the “falling on top of the other” trope with a BUNCH of their other couples like Natasha/Bruce, like shot for shot, lingering stares and everything, but suddenly it’s not supposed to be romantic when it’s Sam/Bucky??? Make it make sense
Omg I never realized that
Or Starlord and Gamora in the first movie, after he saves her from space.
literally, the staring thing literally happened between tony and pepper, sharon and steve, peggy and steve, i could keep going
I presume the "joke" was supposed to be that they're not gay but they landed in a position that couples usually land in multiple movies, shows, and games.
wait when did that scene happen??
They literally go to couples therapy and your gonna tell me theyre straight??
Straighter than wet spaghetti
@@Thed538dhsk You need to take a chill pill. You keep harassing people in the comments. If you don't stop. I will report you for harassment.
@@sparklingdaisy3169 oh so that guy is everywhere? LMAO
You'd think straight writers would know how their own people act, lol! if they're so straight, where are the women, strip clubs, and Playboy subscriptions?
I've seen a lot of comments with "they go to couples therapy".
But this is the ONLY comment with that fact that I laughed at.
Marvel: bucky is straight
*puts bucky in not-straight situations and has him show no emotions towards girls*)
How he literally ran out of a date with a woman that he didn't even ask out in the first place 😭
Uhhhh did you see him with Sarah, he’s Definitely heterosexual
@@finpin2622 To be fair he was reminded on that date of killing his friends son...kinda ruins the mood
@@Thed538dhsk He could be bisexual, dude. Or it could be comp het
@@Thed538dhsk true but y'know... Not a great track record.
The worst part about queerbating is the fact that after they do that, companies gaslight the fan base and call them "crazy" or tell them "they're looking too much into it"
No they’re not gay, they’re just dating and married and sleep together, but not in a gay way
Bucky: *kisses sam*
Sam: thats gay
Bucky: no homo
Sam: oh, ok
THEY ALWAYS SAY NO HOMO- I swear straight guys and their obsession with gay guys look so gay and its just so ironic.
No homo
@@sarcasm8007 there's homophobic boys at my school that ask each other "u gay bro?" so much they could be mistaken as gay and subconscious easily
"it's not gay if we wear socks"
"Bucky was looking at men's dating profiles... Or he's a furry."
the eternal question: Why not both?
@@maglorian In this house we kinkshame
@@maglorian I mean... Where talking about a guy who calls himself "white wolf" for Pete's sake
@@jvmeel7454 Well technically, it's a moniker that was given to him by the Wakandans, who he respects.
He wasn’t exclusively looking at men’s dating profiles. That tiger comment is kinda homophobic to assume gay men were the only ones drugging up tigers to take pictures with when it was a big deal a few years ago on Tinder for men and women of multiple sexualities.
When Marvel did that “Bucky might be bisexual you just need to keep watching“ thing, I knew that we were about to be queer baited and I was annoyed that they thought they had to. Like we are fully prepared to be queer baited you don’t have to pull this extra shit. We are invested whether or not you try honey.
Hey, there’s still a few years, maybe they can confess their love in Spanish before being pulled into super hell
Edit: I’m sorry Supernatural fans, it must feel like getting stabbed
by a rusty nail
😭😭😭 OH MY GODDD
lol idk if i could wait a whole 15 seasons 😭
this was my 13th reason
Destiel really does follow me everywhere, huh?
This is never leaving us isn't it? It's gonna be a stain on fandom forever ISNT IT?
I think everyone is missing the Sebastian Stan effect. He literally has homoerotic sexual tention with all of his male co-stars. Go back and look at any of his films.
This comment is pure gold 😂😂😂
And it's so true
I watched this weird teen male witch movie called the The Covenant or the Coven or something like that, purely because it had Sebastian Stan in it, and I was gobsmacked that he had homoerotic enemies-to-lovers tension with another guy in THAT movie too
@@daneroberts1996 and he has even said himself that the shower scene from The Covenant is the most homoerotic scene in the film😭😭
This is true...
"queerness only exists as an interpretation that could never come to fruition, but it's an interpretation to capitalize on" BEST EXPLANATION EVER
I love the dolls that are so tenderly standing together
Marvel can say there was no homoerotic subtext but thankfully, I got two functional eyes and common sense
⬆️ this
I am legally blind and I still can see how homoerotic this is
I mean if my 100% straight dad even says “Just let them kiss already!” Then there’s definitely no gay subtext NOOOOOT at AAAALLL
All of this!
Damn right 😌🤣💅🏽 Like we done with that bs it is fact that: 1.Bucky is NOT straight and is most likely closeted 2. Sam is also not straight and probably bi with a preference for guys 3. Thor is omni. P e r i o t. 4. Both peters are bi and this was announced CANON 5. Deadpool is pan. Its canon everywhere you look from the comics to the movies. 6. You cannot tell me that Tony will not flirt with anyone and everyone he wants to. That man is a FLAMING bisexual Bi-lionair.
If the field scene would have happened between a man and a woman NO ONE would ever doubt that those two would end up together at some point
I agree.
@@HauntingMarikh would you mind telling me the name of this show? :O
@@nanarana4646 I think it's Elementary
Steve and Nat had close encounters and they never ended up together. Tony and Rhodes would’ve never been romantic say if it happened with their suits running out of power.
@@HauntingMarikh But that’s actually really toxic to propel that if they had been different genders they’d be together in a scene like that. Steve and Nat wouldn’t have had been like that nor Tony and Rhodes
Sebastian recently said that Steve and Bucky’s love can be interpreted however the fans want. And so does Buckys sexuality until it is confirmed.
sebastian is a fucking legend.
@@kwilesvolleyball2028 that he is.
That’s awesome!
Marvel: They aren't gay Bucky was flirting with Sam's sister
Literally everyone who's watched the show: Well yes but actually no
Lamo just erasing bi people are we marvel?
Omg I know right, bisexuality is a thing. I mean, damn Marvel!
I kept saying dude, you’re flirting with the wrong sibling.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 I only recognized that he may have flirted with Sarah after I saw a reaction to that scene. For me it had a "I want his family to like me" kinda vibe and I thought Bucky was thinking of Steves mom when Sarah told him her name. Maybe I was already too in love with SamBucky to see anything non platonic between Bucky and Sarah. That's why I think Bucky didn't react more to Sams 'warning' not to flirt with his sister.
@@yoknom i forgot about steve’s mom. That is a good thing you caught there. I need to rewatch these films so I can see these easter eggs or parallels.
This is not original I saw it on tumblr but
Captain America is not the shield, the spirit, or anything like that
It’s whoever Bucky Barnes has the hots for at the moment
Wait. So Bucky had the hots for Walker?
Not all of them can be winners I guess...
@@Sandra-rc5uc Would you really say that John really lived up to the title though?
@@Cecilia-rj5bh Nope. John definitely didn't. That's why he would have just been the rebound guy before Bucky came to his senses. Thankfully, Sam was there and kept that awful mistake from happening.
@@Thed538dhsk Good question. I'd go with Lemar having some unrequited love thing going on with Walker. The hero worship he had for Walker seemed a bit intense sometimes. Lemar seems like a great guy but his perception regarding Walker is more than skewed.
Telling Walker that he always makes the right decisions in the heat of battle? Where, Lemar? Please indicate.
@@Thed538dhsk
Omg you’re going through all the comments 🤦
Bucky was always written as a “lady’s man” while Steve was pining over Peggy. Sam however has not been romantically linked to any character, male or female. He is the one shippers should focus on.
exactly! Sam is easily one of the (if not Thee) most queercoded characters on Marvel. like, he's never even properly interacted with women in any situation that wasn't on the battlefield. but if you just take a look at his scenes with Steve??? and his scenes with BUCKY?????? and MAINLY his backstory with Riley, which isn't something that we've really seen being developed (and for some reason, something that wasn't even mentioned on this video :l), but is suuuuch an open space to confirm Sam's queerness!
but fans are more busy endlessly talking about bucky ig
@@laserqueencharlie I really don’t see how either of these characters are queer coded, homies are homies and that’s about it, I feel like if people wanted actual representation they would be asking for iceman or someone from the comics that is actually gay instead of changing a character’s sexuality because apparently instead of having an original character be gay, you need to change preexisting characters
@@greenmuffin1343 I don't think changing preexisting characters is a bad thing. If they can create a better character by deviating from the source material, I think they should go for it. That's why I personally like gender bending characters. Always sticking to the source can make it stale and boring. If they can do the character justice they should take some creative liberties.
@@yuthika2965 making a character better doesn’t involve changing their gender or race especially if they already have a story you can build upon and especially if their story has nothing to do with race or gender or sexuality. A character’s entire personality shouldn’t be their gender or race, as such a person shouldn’t, this is pandering and why many people in those respective communities don’t like it
@@greenmuffin1343 if their stories have nothing to do with race, gender or sexuality then why would it even matter if those aspects are changed? They would still be the same person with the same story.
Bucky literally arrives at Sam's hometown as the white boyfriend, all the scenes in Louisiana read as a freaking rom com
And MORE staring
And like romcoms, they're neither romantic nor funny, lol!
So...how would that scene have gone if it wasn't a romcom?
and they watched the sunset together
Exactly. How the HELL can anyone still think they're straight. Bucky can't even STAND straight 😭
Gonna refer to that Sebastian Stan interview on this one. If you’re gay, you find some kinship with the characters and see the relationship that way, honey, IT’S GAY.
They aren’t gay. Sam could be or bi or really any sexuality as we haven’t seen him in any romantic relationship since he was romantically involved with Steve or Bucky despite many fans desires
@@Thed538dhsk I mean, I was referring to the relationship-but sure, if you want, they’re bisexual. In the spirit of Sebastian’s statement, fretting over semantics kind of defeats the point. All he meant is, your interpretation of the character becomes truth the moment it’s released out of the creator’s hands. If Sam or Bucky being gay (because I am gay) serves me best, why not? The “canon” is just as much fiction as the viewer’s interpretation is fiction. Make it what you want.
@@Thed538dhsk who are you to talk about fruitless efforts when you're literally spamming all the top comments telling people that their ships aren't legit?
@@Thed538dhsk lol
@Kaitlyn Yan
How can you say they straight washed either of those characters when neither have been in a relationship( hell Ayo has barely been around), I also have no clue where your getting Bucky is a mix from. Honestly, sure Marvel should have more LGBT characters(and they will with Eternals and hopefully a Young Avengers film or show later)
One of my favorite scenes was when Sam and Bucky where fixing the boat, it was just so fun and their banter was so funny, and in the ending where Bucky says “I wanna move in with Sam but he’s not good at sharing” BRUH PLEASE LET THEM JUST BE TOGETHER 🥲
sam is definitely gay: he was most definitely in a relationship with riley, his first interaction with steve was a meet cute, he legally married bucky in the last ep of fatws and they are currently working on living arrangements, and in this essay i will- /hj
where's the essay :/
op wheres the essay
yes
Yesss!! A million times yesss!!!
i need the essay!
I've been let down so many times the second there's even a chance of queer representation I just assumed I'm being baited. It sucks :/
Same....as a queer...it hurts..a LOT😅😔
You do know 1 of the relationships in Eternals is homosexual and Wanda just gave birth to a gay and bisexual character. Valkyrie will also be looking for her queen
@@alexsama9055 But why? If you go by the comics you’ll know exactly who is what ship and sam/Bucky Bucky/Steve aren’t comic ships
This! I shouldn't have my first reaction to canon LGBTQ+ couples be happy-crying because I've been baited too many times.
@@Thed538dhsk marvel doesent have to exactly follow the comics dude
As much as I want more MLM rep, its also just as good to see guys just having healthy friendships with each other and not being showered in toxic masculinity, like Mao Mao and Badgerclops. Just like in the case of Season 4 Infinity Train, we queer baited ourselves and got upset with the creators.
Well I'm on the same boat as you. I would love to see LGBTQ relationship in shows like this. But I would also like friendship bieng represented too because I've seen way to many trope of friendship to romantic relationship that always ends badly. Straight relationship always had that problem and theirs rise of friendship to love LGBTQ. I'm not saying its bad to represent queer people on screen no no no. What I'm trying to say is that romantic stuff are over represented (straight relationship) and seems that friendships is put down.
I WOULD agree with you, had we seen this trope amongst MLM couples as much as we’ve seen it with straight couples. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve been told or asked “WhY cAn’T they Be FRiends?” I don’t know, Jim Bob, why did Couldn’t Steve stay friends with Sharon, who by extension, was his NEICE. why can’t some of these straight couples stay friends? There’s ALWAYS a romance, whether it’s canon or pure speculation, between straight couples, but when it comes to fans seeing two male characters together suddenly it’s a problem. I understand that you’re coming from a good place, and yes, male friendship is good representation. There has ALWAYS been male friendship representation, but personally, this phrase just serves to me as a homophobic dog whistle (not coming from you, because your opinion is genuine) by straight people who don’t like it when queer people even HEADCANNON a character as queer.
@@officialmouse8470 Yes I agree with you and again I'm not against LGBTQ+ people relationship or straight relationships bieng represented in the media. It's a nice thing to see LGBTQ+ relationships bieng represented in a positive light. The real issue is romance is over represented wether it be straight or LGBTQ+ relationship. There need to be a balance in representing differences in romance and friendship so that people aren't going to mix it together that its causing so much confusion. So yeah did ya get what I'm trying to explain?
@@mysafewhoopernsfw8228 yes, definitely ❤️❤️❤️
@@mysafewhoopernsfw8228 i also agree with what youre saying in the general sense - however, i think that LGBTQ+ romantic relationships shouldnt be grouped with straight ones when talking about the oversaturation of romantic relationships in media (over platonic relationships/friendship) because we really havent reached a point where there is even a decent amount of LGBTQ+ relationships, even when combining the platonic and romantic relationships. So although i also agree and think its important to represent all relationships equally, i would say that there are many movies and shows that do show two males in a close non-romantic bond, as the 'why cant two guys just be friends' arguement is an arguement i see very often when people discuss the many m/m relationships in media (not saying you've used the arguement obviously, im just mentioning it as it is a point brought up often to shoot down people headcanoning m/m relationships as gay). So while I agree that romance is oversaturated in media and much outweighs good representations of friendships, i think it is much more applicable in heterosexual relationships - as the examples of two women or two men being in close 'non-romantic' friendships much outweigh the number of actually canon lesbian/gay couples in media. This is pretty close to what Official Mouse said but I thought I'd also chime in.
they should make bucky at least a bisexual since his mcu characterisation is basically a mix between himself and arnie roth who is openly gay in the comics
I don't like your reasoning, but I agree. Stop saying Bucky is straight, we know thats not true.
@@ramble4395 oh, we all know bucky is definitely not straight... but marvel unfortunately doesn’t realise that
I think Sam has queercoding too, his relationship with Riley is very vague but also one of the biggest turn points in his life, plus his introduction was literally a meet cute with steve Rogers and then a flirty hello to natasha. I think he could be bi or pan because think about it, he hasnt had a single love interest and he's a main character now. Plus I want to see Sam at a pride parade like he was in the comics
I got some other evidence to support the bibucky theory. He said there were lots of tiger pictures on his tinder, it's more common for men to post tiger pics on tinder. Not overly common for women. This suggests that he set his filter on both women and men.
why do people always say "at least bisexual" as if that's a halfway point from being gay?? thats not what bisexuality is. or as if bisexuality is not "queer enough" like literally fuck off lol
"Slice of life romantic montage" is exactly what was happening in episode 5 and at the end.
That scene with Bucky and Sam on a therapy session made me uncomfortable...
... because I'm watching it with my homophobic family and I'm still in the closet. I wanted to hide.
I'd like to point out that it's really the MCU that doesn't care about queer people; I would really love to see some of the canon queer characters recognized on screen.
Yesss!!! Because there are a bunch of queer canon characters in the comics that they either made straight or didn’t include in the MCU!
@@rishakumar8633 Like who?!!! They haven’t made any comic queer characters heterosexual at all!
How can you say that when there will be an Eternals homosexual relationship and Wanda just gave birth to 🏳️🌈 boys
@@Thed538dhsk they don't acknowledge it at all
There's not even two nameless women kissing for half a second at the end of the movie :(
"You guys want to make everything gay"
Also them: Bucky looked at Sarah😍😍😍💫😍😍
@Gabs I totally agree with you there must be more women of colour representation, what my comment was referencing more was the fact that the same people that constantly say we overanalyse things for the sake of it being LGBTQ, overanalyse scenes simply because it's a boy and a girl.
@Gabs Yeah it’s conflicting because as a black bisexual woman I’d love if Bucky and Sarah got together but I also like the idea of Sam and Bucky being together. So he could just be a bisexual I guess
@@kosiqueensly4506 same, reminds me when i was so conflicted between Finn/Poe and Finn/Rey. We all know how that turned out 🙄
@@kosiqueensly4506 That man just radiates bi energy. And there isnt a lot of representation for bi people. And when it is, its usually white women who dont like labels. Im not saying that that is bad, but there needs to be a lot more. And if they cannonicly confirm Bucky as bi having him in a relationship with any gender is still representation. While I prefer Sam and Bucky, I think that Sarah and Bucky would be cute too. And as a previous comment said, its still an important representation for the interracial part no matter what else.
@@medealkemy even as a big Finn/Poe fan I would have FAR preferred Finn/Rey over...... what happened.
As much as I like your analysis, there were a lot of times when you took something that was explicitly about race and racism and made it about homophobia and being gay and in the context of everything going on in the world… It was really not fun to watch. Marvel absolutely queer baited the fuck out of the show, but a lot of the things you used as big moments of proof were pretty irrelevant :/
Yeah a lot of the scenes were explicit commentary on race and it was ingenious to superimpose queer readings on them. It felt like deliberately ignoring the racial commentary and was weird
This was the exact problem I had with the video
I was just thinking that! Alex addressed it once, how Bucky is stuck in the white, cis ideal world he used to be in, but that conversation was def more about race. And that Isaiah convo... that was most importantly about race first.
It's toxic masculinity to assume two men who are closer friends, would HAVE to be gay to be close friends.
@@mydroogies5529 yes that would have been fine if it weren’t for the field scene, I’m all for toxic masculinity being destroyed, straight men doing things people would call gay (wearing feminine clothing, being friendly and hugging, not being all punchy punchy sports sports, etc) but that trope was used in every other marvel couple and nobody in the mcu has done that without falling in love
I absolutely hate how SteveBucky and SamBucky shippers go against/hate each other. I mean, just think we TOGETHER could bash Endgame Steve, and the whole of Marvel. Such a waste of a potential ally!
Honestly, yes!
Yessss let's all bash Endgame Steve
I've said it before and I'll say it again: make it poly you cowards
@@debbieisexhausted as someone who manly ship Steve and Tony (slowly getting into Stucky dive face first into Bucky x Sam) make it poly you cowards.
Seriously OT3’s are a thing for a reason!
The only reason sambucky shippers have ire against stevebucky is because we've had to endure the fandom being racist and erasing Sam or treating him like an asshole for years only to suddenly act like they never did all that after tfatws. There are great talented people on both fandoms but theres a reason people are annoyed.
Im surprised you didnt mention the "romance" with sam's sister and bucky, since its really common for shows to end amazing gay chemistry by pairing the characters with the other's sisters
I was so mad at all these scenes cuz i thought they were gonna do it
for me, a bi black person, i was so conflicted with that whole thing. cuz like, on one hand I want SamBucky to be canon. on another hand, I also loved seeing Bucky flirt with (TWO!!) women of color--one of whom are darkskinned.
it's the classic trope of "best friend has crush on sibling or vice versa" and imo i wouldn't have been mad at that version.
@@Thed538dhsk well wait, why don’t you want him to be bi? idk. maybe i’m just tired of characters being “forced to choose a side”. also i will say this: buddy cop action movie tropes can be very homoerotic, esp when you consider the fact that it’s often acted in a way that two straight characters would act.
@@deaf-tomcat I felt the same way but I also suspect that Disney has neither the guts to pair to their white holloywood hearthrob with a dark-skinned single mom nor make him qu33r so I'm sure that they are baiting on both accounts.
Oof ikr. But they had no chemistry, or at least not nearly as much as Sam and Bucky
yknow i didn’t mind,,,i always headcanonned bucky as bi LMFAO
Can't believe you didn't mention the celebration scene without music where Bucky literally says "yeah I'd move in with Sam lol" 0_o
That moment where Bucky slo-mo walks to the boat in the morning, for no reason other than to be with Sam (fixing the boat is an excuse), with Bucky standing behind Sam and gently speaking with that dimmed romantic lighting as that soft music is playing....come on, they’d have kissed if this was a hereto couple, no doubt. In any other movie, that would be the moment that Bucky finally gives in to his desire and kisses the woman who has found a sense of emotional safety with. For God’s sake, they go out of their way to show Bucky wake up peacefully after spending the night at Sam’s house. That look on his face after he wakes up and realizes that he’s ok here, ok with SAM...come on, y’all.
There’s a lot of times in media where I think a lot of desperate people are trying to read something that wasn’t there, but I was watching that scene and thinking “there’s no way they wouldn’t be kissing passionately right now if Sam was played by Zendaya”.
No because this is facts
That zendayah comment sent me, I died.
Natasha and Steve anyone? They ship baited the same way with them except they were heterosexual
@@ayoogunsakin9223 Yeah but they actually kissed too 😂
@@opaquea2448 Classic "they kiss but not really"/"quick kiss me so the enemy will think we're civilians". Natasha kisses the side of his lip and it doesn't even count because it was for "work".
there is no heterosexual explanation for half the things that happened in tfatws
Literally
FR! Although I only talk about this show with queer friends, but still I can’t fathom an explanation for some of the stuff in the show
Such as?
@@Thed538dhsk a great example is episodes 1-6
@@mdp6503 I don’t see it. I just see 2 buddy cops
"Ambiguously European" awesome, I finally found a sexuality label that fits me
Sam and Bucky are a couple and everything else is just a Disney cover up. I've been through this with Finn and Poe and in my reality they are all canon
Did you learn nothing from Wandavision, you can’t stay locked up in your reality. The truth is Sam and Bucky aren’t a ship in the mcu. Could change but right now they are friends with a mutual friend who’s now gone
@@Thed538dhsk Dude shut up. Why are you here if you're just saying "No ✋ they are straight as a line"
Edit: BAHAHAHAHA YOU LIKED YOUR OWN COMMENT
@@Thed538dhsk ITS SO SAD YOU KEEP COMMENTING SAYING THE SAME DAMN THING SHUT UP ALREADY
@@hearts4hokke right
Oh yes definitely. And with the finnpoe thing, the actors were like “we don’t care what Disney said. They’re gay.” Lol
"Sambucky gaines momentum from Stucky"
Every tired Sambucky shipper whose been here since before TFATWS: Trust us. We know.
The sticky folks go so hard and all it’s crazy
@RABNerd28 I was so frustrated at how this video was almost entirely about Bucky and treated Sam like a means for getting bisexual Bucky, instead of his own, likewise queer character :(
Shit I've been here since Civil War
Yep, I never shipped Stucky (I would have shipped it if it became canon. Back then I never shipped non-canon ships.)
Someone pointed out Sambucky's bickering rivals to lovers dynamic and then next thing I knew I was on tumblr at 3am.
@@meghna4613 Tumblr is still around?’ I’m getting old. It’s not a canon ship it appears marvel is going with Sarah and Bucky
You POC baited us by putting Sam in the thumbnail but barely talking about him 💀
I did a research essay about the misrepresentation of queer people and queer-baiting and I actually used this channel as a cited source. I love my English teacher.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer : OH HELL YES LOOK AT THEM!
@@Thed538dhsk First of all, Why are you responding "no" under every single comment there is?? It's obvious that this is a Sambucky video, if you don't ship them, just don't watch it.
Second, I don't understand why you would write "They appear hetrosexual", what does the appearence of anyone have to do with anything? or are you trying to say something else?
Third, they are FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, they don't exist, we can ship them with whoever we want, whether its with the same sex or different. It's our wish and our opinion. You don't have to hate or try to bash anyone because of it.
I didn’t expect Sam or Bucky to end up together and I certainly don’t ship Sambucky but even I saw the homoerotic subtext and was like “people are gonna be mad” and I was kinda upset too. With as much energy they put into thoughtful storytelling about racial identity, you would think they would know better than to queerbait.
I’m all for shows giving straight guys a friendship that isn’t insecure about their sexuality - I actually want more of it because god knows that I’ve had it with the toxic masculinity. But I think they did Sam and Bucky all wrong and it’s a huge example of why we need more queer representation in Marvel. We’re left shipping the canonically straight MCU characters that have homoerotic subtext in their writing. What did they expect us to do when they sent them to fucking couples therapy?
Even if we accept that Sam is 100% straight, can we at least have Bucky be bi? We've been questioning his sexuality ever since the first avenger, after all, so it wouldn't be that shocking of a reveal. Like, the industry is lacking in some healthy, non-weird bi/straight bro solidarity right now, so give us the goods!
I’m sorry but I REFUSE to think that Sam isn’t at least Bi-curious-
@@redballoon9007 oh for sure, but this is also Disney we're dealing with here 😐
@@AD-dg3zz What does that mean aren’t they super gay friendly
@@Thed538dhsk You know, I don’t get your need to have Bucky be hetero and Sam be gay. Because according to your way of thinking there’s honestly nothing showing Sam being fundamentally gay - just because his previous military partner was Riley and his death hurt Sam that apparently makes him gay? Just because he hasn’t had a (female, of course) love interest that makes him gay?
In universe, Bucky has probably only flirted with women because he was born in 1917. Real world, Disney just doesn’t want to lose the money and dealings it has with countries that don’t support LGBT+ and money from homophobic people/households in America. That’s a lot of revenue gone and bridges burned in business for something many of them don’t really give a shit about anyway. That’s why they had Steve act out of character in Endgame and go back to Peggy. Evans’ contract was up and they were not going to have Steve “Captain America” Rogers be a queer no sir. Obligatory het romance that makes no sense coming right up.
Bucky has been coded as Bi for years now and Sam has had his own moments since his introduction (literal meet cute with Steve lol), and then they were smooshed together with very obvious romance tropes being used throughout the show. I don’t get your aversion to seeing both of them as queer just because Bucky flirts with girls. You’re being deliberately obtuse in regards to the character, the age he grew up in and how he was literally repressed for 70 years and how Hollywood works - they only care about money and it’s full of homophobes and homophobic opinions due to the Hays Code.
@@Thed538dhsk In regards to the MCU the comics don’t matter - it’s an adaptation. Things have changed from the original material and that can be okay. Thor and Loki are brothers, Hela is not Loki’s daughter. Steve and Bucky are the same age (Bucky is older) and are childhood friends, they made the decision to keep Steve’s origin story in the 40s but brought him into the present to fit with everyone else. Tony wasn’t captured in Afghanistan in 2008 in the comics but they modernized it for the movie.
MCU Bucky is a amalgamation of comic book Bucky Barnes and comic book Arnie Roth… a character that was gay. In fact his backstory of being Steve’s best friend, being bigger and stronger than Steve, protecting him from bullies is Roth’s backstory. So MCU Bucky being Bi would actually make sense if he’s a combination of Roth, Steve’s gay childhood friend, and Barnes/The Winter Soldier, Steve’s straight sidekick. It totally evens out lol. Just using the comics as a basis.
Not you looking like Oscar Wilde while lecturing all of us on gay characters 😂😂
He did!
Oscar Wilde Jr.
I am honestly so, so tired of the constant queerbaiting in all Disney productions - is it too much to ask for a hero:ine with their own story arc (that has nothing to do with the struggle of being gay (I'm also really tired of that trope)) who save the world together with their beloved person (I also accept and love enemies to lovers) and happens to be LGBT+?
I just want one high production sci fi/ fantasy/ action movie with a queer main character who is not only coded, but *shown* and *acknowledged* to be queer. Deadpool is a great start, but it would be even better if he had a male love interest at some part - for that it can be made canon and his pansexuality is not only present in jokes.
And no, I don't accept any movies like Raya, where all the clues are there, quite obviously, but is only gay in subcontext, out of fear that confirming might lead to dropping views in certain countries. Stop being cowards.
Thank you for coming to my TED - Rage.
100% agree. Unfortunately they will always try to pander to as many people as possible so they will keep doing this shit because it's the most profitable.
Shows like the netflix She-ra and The Owl House show a great example of what you might be talking about. The main characters are both lgbt and there are other characters that are too and they don’t make a big deal out of it. :)
The little action figures with the bi flag are EVERYTHING
“a lot of homosexually irrelevant stuff happens” that’s how I think of any plot ever
Here’s hoping Valkyrie gets to be bi, Thor love and thunder has been described as a romance movie so I’m hoping Jane and Valkyrie will get to be our marvel bi queens
When talking with my bestie (who was about to start watching the show) I told her to be prepared for an infuriating amount of queerbaiting. She's cishet and even she was frustrated by it.
@@Thed538dhsk Did you not watch this video? He laid out a point-by-point case for exactly why it IS queerbaiting. Literal bulletpoints and video clips.
@@Thed538dhsk we don't see him go after either of the women he flirted with - yes he flirts and finds women attractive, but that doesn't make him 100% hetero. a bisexual interpretation is totally valid. they don't confirm any hetero relationships for the character and the only thing that is confirmed is Bucky and Sam's bond.
So yes, it totally was queer baiting! Especially considering he leaves the Asian girl behind to go live closer to Sam and his family - whether you want to interpret that as platonic or romantic, it's still queer baiting!
@@Thed538dhsk you literally just described queerbaiting and straight washing
@@mandipandi303 Yes I did and I disagree
@@sch0t1_80 And they don’t fit the definition
marvel says sambucky doesnt exist but then s1ep2 exists
hope they wont fuck up loki series like this, considering loki has always been queer both in mitology and comics. i know they said it's confirmed he'll be bisexual in the show but marvel barely done anything to lgbtq so i have a feeling they won't actually give a proper bi representation & it's just bait :(
edit: so appearantly he is canonically genderfluid, that's awesome cuz we are finally going somewhere !!! all we need now it getting represented along with his sexuality
Episode 3 dropped a quote that confirmed he’s bisexual, now it’s just a matter of waiting for marvel to follow through in proving whether or not it’s just lipservice
@@ToscaTee well I think we’ve answered that question 😐
this aged like milk :(
LOLLL yeah he's bi and marvel still did NOTHING to represent that sooooo
@@h0pelessely_dev0ted38 ummmm why? Because he kissed a girl?
All this bait is frustrating.
Bucky would be a great character to 'retcon' as bisexual. He's just re-discovering his identity after the brainwashing. And you could explain his unawareness about his sexuality until now with the lack of knowledge and tolerance about LGBT+ identities in the 1940s.
It could be a really great story - kind of similar to what Doom Patrol is doing brilliantly with Larry Trainor.
But it will always stay headcanon because Marvel are cowards.
I'm very worried for the Young Avengers. I can't imagine an MCU (at least at the moment) where they are rightfully depicted.
ikr were (i think) getting miss america in doctor strange 2 and if they give her a boi friend IM GONNA SUE THEM
@@sch0t1_80 We would all riot. Seriously.
Honestly though, I don't think Marvel would outright give her a boyfriend. You can't do that to a lesbian character nowadays (thankfully, because it's complete bullshit). They are probably not going to give her an outright girlfriend either.
I'm worried that they are going to make all of the YA's sexualities ambiguous - kind of similar to how Billy and Teddy weren't allowed to kiss on panel for years. I respect Allan Heinberg and the creative team a lot for working around that and giving us such a great couple.
Maybe we'll even get a kiss scene, but one that is small enough that you can completely cut it out for that box office money. So, I'll assume they are going to do it with *subtext* and never outright confirm anything. At least that has been Marvel/Disney's MO. I sincerely hope that they prove me wrong - but my hopes aren't that high.
Considering that they’re not doing much with Bucky and it doesn’t seem like we’re getting a white wolf movie or even arc they might as well take some risks with his character.
@@nickimillennium He's gonna be in the Thunderbolts-movie with Yelena which I'm excited about. Interesting to see what his arc will be like & if they do something with the White Wolf.
I doubt they'll address his sexuality - though I would appreciate some bold choices. It would only be fair after years of queer- baiting. So much of his fanbase would welcome it.
I'm really eager to see what holes they're going to jump over to ignore Loki's genderfluidity in the upcoming series. Am I allowed to be a little hopeful because it's a Pride Month premiere? Probably just another marketing strategy from those sneaky little bastards. Anyway, I hope they know it's not only shitting on the comics, but also basic norse mythology.
@@Thed538dhsk I’m not, I’m just saying that Loki’s genderfluidity does play a role in the comics and it would be kinda sad if they just ignore it.
@@bluflavouredpudding ignore Dcbiz they’re a troll who’s been going through the top comments arguing. i hope they at least try to explore loki’s genderfluidity as well. would be awesome to see lady loki. but given marvels track record i’m not too optimistic
@@Thed538dhsk dude pls stop commenting on every comment that likes queer content-
It’s magic genderfluidity. Not traditional genderfluidity.
@@Materminds187 the difference??? Still gender fluid
I don’t really care for the “queerbating” factor, I’m just happy to see the homophobes get pressed...
I concur
Bucky through the whole MCU : I'm gonna get a Captain America, NO MATTER WHAT
Settles for Walker 🤨
@@Thed538dhsk I wouldn't be mad about that. There are already content creators jumping onboard the Bucky & John ship. Bucky & Zemo is definitely the most popular enemies-to-lovers ship from the show though, but a Bucky & John pairing simultaneously has more edge and less baggage involved and I'm kind of here for it. The fact that Bucky hates John so ferociously in the beginning of the show makes it even better.
@@mieroth I actually like the Bucky and Zemo ship cause there is actual room for their tension and dynamic to become romantic, Bucky x Sam on the other hand didn't exist until Stucky shippers needed something to latch on to after Endgame.
@@DarkPulsaterLiteGear Sam and Bucky have grown on me as a ship, and I'm definitely not a Stucky shipper (Stony is my primary Steve ship). Never saw the potential before this show, now I somewhat ship them and do read some fics of them. But while I like them together I don't love them together (so they're not OTP material). Not sure what's missing, there's just something about their chemistry which doesn't quite work for me in a romantic ship.
So I was also somewhat charmed at the possibilities of Bucky and Zemo in this show, I always adore an enemies-to-lovers romance, that's my trope. But like I said, I fell into the John and Bucky rabbithole when it comes to this show, so haven't actually explored Bucky and Zemo much as a pairing (yet). But I'm always here for the multi-ship possibilities. The only time I find it difficult to multiship is when I've found an OTP for a show/universe. Like Steve and Tony I have a hard time shipping with anyone except for each other (or in an OT3). But Bucky, Sam, Zemo, John, etc are all free agents in my mind, I've yet to find their perfect matches. xD
But maybe I'll look into more of that Bucky&Zemo content to see where it leads me...
this is a brilliant comment haha i love it
0:16 "Was that look homoerotic or has the pandemic warped my sense of Intimacy?"
I just feel very called out.
I would love you to do a "Are they gay" episode on loki and mobius, the tension between those characters are crazy, and considering loki is canonically genderqueer I think there could be a chance of them getting together? I would just love to hear you discuss them as characters and just the show of loki
I would love this as well! Loki is such a good show and Lokius (whatever the relationship specifics) is so good
You made some great points but I can't help but be disappointed by how little you talked about Sam in this... I mean he's half of the ship and was barely mentioned? This was mostly about Bucky being queercoded and you completely sidelined Sam. There's a lot to be said about him as well, especially considering he's had no love interests on the MCU so far and has shown pretty much zero interest in women besides one small comment about looking cool in front of a girl.
this
came here hoping for my boy to get his well-earned limelight, but alas..
Literally, Sam's queerness is NOT talked about enough.
You answered it yourself though, Sam doesn't get enough love on MCU by the creators/writers until now so Bucky ofc will be the main focus. I think if it was about Steve and Bucky it would be more weird if they only talk about one half but to me it makes sense that Sam is sidelined in this convo. He shouldn't be, but I'm not gonna expect a full analysis of a character that is more of a side character until Steve passed on his shield to him.
@@junosgladius i'm not even into the mcu anymore but GOD I hope they do more with Sam in the future. the man needs more love!!!! :(
the scenes in fatws in Louisiana were my favorites just because we got to see more of Sam and his family (also bc.. I'm from Louisiana 🥺). like hello!! more of that please!!!
I mean, let’s be real people. Since the first time we saw Bucky and Steve, we all knew there was DEFINITELY some chemistry going on there. As far as I’m concerned, Bucky is bi and it’s obvious from a thousand miles away.
Yes! I mean if anything Bucky is with Steve until the end of the line (they’re married obviously) but Steve betrayed us all by going back into the past :( so now Sam is being a great friend/potential amazing boyfriend
@@Thed538dhsk I have literally seen your dumbass comments everywhere, half of what happens in the comics is NOT canon in the mcu. The mcu takes inspiration from the comics, but follows little of what actually happens in the comics. Therefore making your point wrong :)
@@lizziek7617 It really doesn’t though. Has the MCU changed any characters sexuality from their comic counter part, no. Loki and Korg and Valkyrie haven’t been explored with their sexuality not the mcu hasn’t changed it. I think they will in the Eternals but those are super obscure characters. The mcu is inspired by the comics and will leave Bucky and sam heterosexual as are their comic counter parts until stated otherwise so don’t be mad your head canon isn’t reality
@@Thed538dhsk I'm not mad, not sure what gives you that impression. Just stating facts o.o
"Or he's a furry" came around a corner and killed me instantly
they handled race so weirdly that i wasn’t surprising when they didn’t know what to do with bucky’s masculinity and sexuality. his entire story revolved around another guy and they’re gonna act like we’re over-reacting when WE see representation in THIER baiting and ambiguous writing
Exactly. They didn't even have him mention Steve like at all.. and that's so weird in the canon universe because Steve was literally his life. And now he's just going to act like Steve didn't exist at all? We're not falling for it, Marvel.
@@goodoldfashionedangel He did mention Steve.
@@iamgroot2810 Just not in the way anyone would have expected.. the line about his shield had me sobbing though
@Miriam Svenson I’m a black male and applaud them for how they addressed race from multiple angles. Many black young people have older family like Isiah who grew up under segregation and feel a certain way about the US rightly so. Other black people do have to feel persecuted for even wanting to have a seat at the table that is America and some expect us all to hate the US when there are black service men and women fighting in foreign wars because they love this country and I thought the show did a good job thx for my ted talk
@@Thed538dhsk That is true. Oh, but they definitely could have been romantically involved had Marvel allowed it. It would have been beautiful
I haven't even watched it, but seeing the trailers I was like: Gayyy- Er, I meant great... and totally straight 😅
Why does "great and totally straight" sound like some homophobic Facebook page tho? 😓😂
I say: bi-bi-bi *sing*
if is were a fb page it would say super instead of totally tho
"great and totally straight", she said to her mother when she asked if she was fine, right before going back to text her girlfriend
sorry this popped on my mind
@@lorien_braga Sounds like something I would do tbh
my grade 5-7 English teacher was a massive mcu fan and her class was covered in pictures of bucky and steve posters , there were other movie posters i remember seeing but there was, thinking back on it she definitely used Tumblr. she was also my introduction to nerd culture and British people
Premiering right when I’m supposed to have math, perfect timing
Same
Same
Surprised you didn't bring up the "Mr. America, Cap's best friend" line. Even with the nohomo bit at the end, that specific line felt like a deliberate reference where Sharon was telling Bucky he acts like he's married to Captain America. Sure, it was an insult, but again at the end of the day even if it's just a gay joke it's still gay.
that scene felt like a microagression istg i-
waiiiit i never heard this line wich episode and scene omg
@@sch0t1_80 Ep 3 Power Broker the scene with Sharon talking to them while sam gets changed into a better outfit after she saves them from Shelby
haha, loki and mobius…the biggest scam I've ever been given and in return they give me an incestuous relationship
SamBucky is probably the first MCU relationship in a hot minute that if they were to feasibly get together it wouldn’t be toxic. Like Stucky is completely built off of nostalgia and in the actual movies they’re relationship is very strained
Right!
Sam also seems like one of the only emotionally healthy and honest people in the whole MCU lol. Like he isn't lost in nostalgia and a desire for the past like Steve, he's grounded in the here and now, is able to understand grey areas and nuances, is honest with Bucky about his need to define himself for himself while also being supportive of him. It also doesn't hurt that Sam has some training as a mental health professional specifically aiding people struggling to adjust to life back home after serving or always being in a fight. Like??? It writes itself. They would be great together.
@@Lisa_Flowers soooo true, and Sam also has really good chemistry and friendship with Bucky and understands him really well, so it would be a great relationship
@@Lisa_Flowers Exactly. There's a reason why "Sam Wilson is a Gift" tag on ao3 is so popular.
@@Lisa_Flowers I get where you're going with this but let me say, Sam being Bucky's mental health support is NOT A GOOD THING. Sam is not a therapist and is certainly not Bucky's therapist. This is a callout for the Bucky stans in general, stop making Sam the good "bro" if we want to ship them, one character shouldn't be always in the position of being the other's "emotional support" and especially not the black character. Sam has enough trauma of his own to deal with he doesn't need Bucky's on top of that. Sorry this isn't directed to you specifically but we really have to stop this idea that Sam is support for the white characters, the man is CAPTAIN AMERICA.
script: *so we're just a couple.*
editor: heh heh lemme fix that *adds in the words "of dudes"*
17:14 two bros sitting in a hot tub 5 feet apart cuz they're not gayy
Finally the question we all want answers to
yes
"...Or would executives force them together."
Oh hi, Reylo...
TRUEE
Tryna ship Sambucky and talk about the queerbaiting while also dodging antiblack coments about Sarah and Anthony Mackie should be considered an olympic sport.
7:38 "Steve gave up his shield, his friends, his heterosexuality" i cant-
Sam and Bucky's ship name is Sucky because it sucks that it was never confirmed.
@@Thed538dhsk huh?? Sam and Bucky literally have comics together. That's where the show came from. Plus the MCU diverts a lot from what happens in the comic books - it's a natural process of converting a super detailed long comic series into the limited run time of film media. Things aren't always going to be accurate to the comic books, and that's okay. Just like how different editions of comic books have plot elements changed or edited, movies and TV episodes do the same thing.
@@Thed538dhsk you’ve replied to almost every single comment on this video. May I ask why you so fervently despise fun?
@@Thed538dhsk if it went by the comic than because the MCU took Arnie Roth’s backstory and gave it to MCU Bucky. Bucky is gay and Jewish
@@Scarletsongs346 Comic Arnie isn’t confirmed nor imo is he mixed with comic Bucky even with subtext to make MCU Bucky. Bucky is heterosexual and non affiliated with any specific religion
@@Thed538dhsk can you give me where in the MCU it’s confirmed Bucky is 100% heterosexual like that he isn’t bi or pansexual.
I mean Feigie did say this was like a buddy cop type show and those kinds of shows tend to have emotional tension moments whether for comedy or deep friendships so maybe it was unintentional, idk my feelings are fragile don't roast me please
"Men?! Being Intimate?! In this economy?!" I cracked XD I cackled so loud, my dog stopped what he was doing and stared at me.
Let's not even talk about the relationship between Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan being the real fuel for this ship
They are the BEST Marvel duo tbh
I think that’s what’s causing so many in the comments to see what’s not there. They aren’t canonically gay in the comics nor the mcu
@@thalia9789 Duo or ship? As for duo wouldn’t that be Thor and Loki with their brotherly rival siblings being very relatable?
@@Thed538dhsk they mean actors duo not characters duo.
@@Thed538dhsk STOP. FUCKING. COMMENTING. THIS. UNDER. EVERY. DAMN. COMMENT.
This video should have been titled Stucky 2.0, he barely mentioned Sam and when he did deign to do so it was only to twist his arc about being a black man taking on the Captain America mantle into a statement about queerbaiting/homophobia. Not to say the show doesn't have that, but those scenes were about race and the effect it would have on a hero like Sam and he just completely discarded that and its importance. In fact, he just discarded Sam entirely to talk about everyone's white favourites for the 1000th time 🙄
It's great that you made a video about one of my favorite ships, but people are rightfully disappointed that you barely talked about Sam.
It's hard for People of Color to get good representation in media, and Sam is already underappreciated.
A lot of people, including me, want more appreciation for Sam, so this video being mostly about Steve and Bucky can be pretty hurtful.
I wholeheartedly agree the spotlight was on sam equally as much as bucky yet this video wasn’t
i agree with you on that, i just feel like the references to stucky were necessary cause 3/4 of them defined bucky’s character development and sam’s future as captain america (saying this as a poc, i wish people mentioned sam more too)
I felt this comment
ngl as a sambucky shipper who never really shipped or liked stucky i noticed a lot of the video references stucky which is cool but it would be nice to acknowledge the hints of queerness that sam has like his relationship with riley
thiss
exactlyyy this video focused more on Steve than on Sam which is kind of sad ://
Exactly
no
So like most of the time in ppl having double standards towards het and gay couples... its heteronormativity on top of amatonormativity...because just because a woman and a man are close doesn't mean they're always a couple , it doesn't also mean that two men or women together arent always not a couple.
'Just a couple of dudes' sounds so much like 'gal pals'
What’s wrong with either
@@Thed538dhsk gal pals are usually what unsuspecting people call women loving women relationships
@@dakshayini8207 The reading everything as sexual - Which Women have also complained about
@@jacobodom8401 romance isn’t necessarily sexual (although it can be), it’s just love.
@@eliseb8396 Yeah
I told my friend early in the series I suspect the series was trying to transfer Stucky Shippers to SamXBucky while still keeping it no homo enough to pivot away or deny in interview/future MCU content if they choose to and she didn’t believe me until the couple’s therapy scene
@@Thed538dhsk I didn’t say it was gay I said the show has enough subtext that it’s giving plenty of shipbait while having a plausible straight reading for every instance in a vacuum to get the shippers on board without dealing with the controversy of making it canon. Like they therapist literally called it couples therapy which you don’t generally call it in platonic relationships.
@@ruby9848 heyo
@@dragonetafireball The problem is that its called Couples Therapy as an insult, as a remark that they are bickering like a couple that and its a problem. "Fighting like an old married couple" might be kind of cute but its still saying "You guys are fighting to much"
I was really hoping for them to be together at the end, but I'm also fine with them just being good friends and openly demostrating that they care about each other and not having that rigid fragile masculinity. At the very least it shows young boys that that's ok. Not nearly enough, but it's a start (?)
I swear I got Destiel "ptsd" flashbacks from this show. Like don't get me wrong I love it way more than it probably deserves but some episodes in I texted my friend that at that point I wouldn't be suprised if the show ended with one of them making confessions and then immediately dieing... After episode five I told them that this was actually worse. At least Destiel was so far out of reach you felt like you knew you were just looking for breadcrumbs. With this show it's not even subtext you have to look for. If either of the two (probably Sam if I had to pick) had been a woman we had absolutely gotten a kiss at the end. Like the whole meeting the family and fixing the boat thing and then playing with the children and looking into the sunset at the end literally looks like a romcom. Shame marvel has no spine cause this would actually be fantastic representation wise.
1) I don’t think so. Clint and Nat never were romantically involved and seemed to be a positive representation of a female/male friendship. To me it reminded me more of Forest Gump.
2) What do you mean they have no spine? If the characters aren’t 🏳️🌈 in the comics they won’t be in the mcu period. Sam and Bucky aren’t 🏳️🌈 in the comics I think. I’m not too familiar with comic book sam being more of a Spidey fan than cap in the comics. Once a 🏳️🌈 marvel character is on screen then look for representation because it’d make no sense from the source material to have heterosexual characters be 🏳️🌈🤷🏾♂️
Bucky is BI and you CANT CHANGE MY MIND
He isn’t in the comics and has only been seen going on dates with women in the mcu which has him lined up with his comic persona to be heterosexual not bi. Do I get a cookie now?
@@Thed538dhsk At least one comic writer has said his version of Bucky had a crush on Steve, so for comics it's up in the air.
Loki being bi and still going for sylvie felt so wrong to me
Not that i hate sylvie but why? lol mobius is THERE
I will give this video some criticism. This video goes deep into Bucky’s sexuality history but not Sam’s.
exactly what i was thinking. the fandom hyper focuses on bucky in general when it comes to this pairing too
That's because Sam's black and literally no one wants to discuss his romantic attraction and sexual preferences. Even after his obviously not straight relationships with Riley, Steve, Joaquin, and Bucky... What else is knew... :/
Yeah. As a casual MCU watcher (I’ve maybe seen each film twice with my kids), Sam seems the gayest one. The scene where he meets Steve and basically cruises him in a park - I have no other way to process that except as a romantic/sexual thing. Doesn’t he call him back by saying something about “you can’t sleep cos your bed is too comfy”? I don’t know (I’m straight) but that seemed the queerest meeting to me.
@@giladadadada1614 pretty white boys are life's blood to the fandom and nothing else matters.
@@FromAsgard32 that makes me so sad because its the truth 😕 they both deserve attention
Why choose between Stucky and SamBucky when they can all three be in a poli relationship?
Ikr bucky has 2 hands to hold
I agree lol
What about Steve Peggy ships which is canon?
THAT'S WHAT THE FANS DO WITH "STUCKONY". Dude, top fifteen Marvel ships in Ao3 include "Steve/Bucky", "Steve/Tony", and "Steve/Bucky", and that's counting platonic relationship tags. So, yeah, "Steve/Tony/Bucky" used to be a big thing back in the day.
Bucky has two two hand... oh wait
One thing to note: according to TVTropes, Zemo stroking Bucky's chin was improvised by Brühl. Not sure how much that changes things: after all, they still could have chosen to use a different take.
I'm pretty sure they've just handed a couple of script pages to Daniel Brühl and said "just be yourself".
Best quote I’ve heard:
If it’s a gay joke....
There must be something gay about it!
Bisexuals, sound off: how many times have you had a crush on a pair of siblings of differing genders? I know I’m not the only one who’s thought “damn, those must be some good genes” or accidentally flirted with people who you didn’t know were related to each other
The Marvel producers and such NEED to watch this video. ❤